Fun project, but there are parts that gave me a headache. That euro power extension with UK converters, all jammed inside the case... Get an IEC C13 ("kettle lead") PDU, it's a quarter of the size for the number of outlets. Not even the rackmount kind, just a plastic block. They even have mounting holes. Then for your 5V, 9V or 12V devices, get one power adapter that can provide a few amps at whatever voltage you need. The power adapter can have an inlet for C13 or C7 ("figure 8") connectors - make a short power cable that converts to C14 (male kettle lead connector) for your PDU. Then use some terminal block to split your low voltage supply / supplies and distribute around your rack. Perfectly safe if you do it well, and much more compact. And then those cable ties holding your D-series connectors onto your 1U termination panel. Good grief, man! Get some M3 nuts and bolts, preferably with shake-proof washers! :)
Hi John. I just posted my video putting the ATEM and gear into a 6U flight case and gave a link to your video as well. I think people will get a lot out of your shallow case design. Thanks for sharing and thanks for the heads up with the Latta Panda, it works great :) Cheers Michael
Great video John. I build a setup in a road case and just updating it with the Blackmagic Hyperdeck Studio Mini. Your video gave me some great ideas and will be buying the LattePanda, hope I can get it working lol. Thanks again for sharing
Thanks Leading Zeros! and thanks for your original video - this wouldn't have happened if it weren't for your excellent TV studio - I must have watched that 10 times from start to finish! :)
Hello, i'm wondering why you didn't put the connectors on the rear side, while working with it you will have lots of cabling on the desk. Simply mountig the ATEM pointing with the connectors to the outside will do the job as well and prevents the heat coming from the heatsink to stuck inside the Rack. Using the pactchbay and patchconnectors wil aslo give you more signal loss wich reduces the possible lenght of SDI cables.
Well this certainly was a long time ago that I made those choices haha. At the time I did some tests and found this to be the most trustworthy way. After all I want to trust the gear when I am at a gig! But I’m sure I would have done it differently now
What about Running 2 internal computer fans? One to bring air in, and one to pump air out? Possibly with a toggle switch on/off on one of the front spaces?
@@heretorecord Yes I agree it does look pretty nice, I didn't know how atem looks like until you took it out and I see it has very big cooler :) I am trying to put together something with similar possibilities for streaming but on much lower budget :) and just stumbled on your channel so thank you for making it :)
Wouldn't it be more effective to have the fans blowing on the Atem heatsink instead of having the heatsink inside the box and blowing on the front plate ?
In this case I found a method that worked and stuck with it. The reason I chose this side is that in my early days of testing the ATEM I lay it flat on the table and those where the times issues occurred more frequently, so my theory was that keeping that side of the case cool would help. With all of that said it likely would have been good either way. I don’t even use this anymore so I’ll likely never know :)
Thanks for the video....very informing....But you never made mention of how you get you audio into the rack....or did you make use of the surrounding audio from the camera?
I think your rig is only the 2nd one I've seen that actually used a custom patch panel for the connections, everyone seems to just run the wires right out the back... mine is set up like that now while I'm building and it drives me crazy! The panel makes everything so much cleaner. How do you like the BM Smartview duo? Do you ever find you're wishing you had larger screens? I'm on the fence about buying one of those, or buying something like a pair of cheap 10" field monitors. I'm using a pair of 7" monitors I borrowed from my cameras and they really seem to be pushing the limits of usability, but at the same time two larger monitors means another case to carry and more desk space needed to set up with.
+9thstreet agreed about the panel. I used this setup for months without it and now that I have it it just makes perfect sense. Set up is easier which is always great! As for the monitors, I am perfectly happy with their size - I sit pretty damn close to them in most of my jobs so they work well for me. It's probably the resolution that I'm most disappointed about (it's hard to check focus) - so now I'm thinking about carrying one extra monitor if I can get a light and portable one. I just don't have the space to bring two big monitors (as much as I'd like to). So I would say if you can find the space, go for the two large ones, however if you are like me and a bit tight for room (and are already carrying around too much equipment as it is) stick with the SmartView for a while and see how it does you!
Hello. Have you ever had your first series ATEM 1 M/E lose the HDMI inputs, but the BNC Hd-SDI inputs still worked? any light you might be able to share is good. I added fans to the factory heat sink side when my unit was new; it never occurred to me to put fans on the face plate side. Thank you.
LOVE it! I actually did mount my ATEM 1M/E facing outward because I figured there would be better airflow through the vents by doing it that way. I'm curious about the tiny PC you put inside the box.. what's it used for and how does it work? Also, my experience is that there's a 66ms delay between video and audio using the ATEM; as I record dance shows, this is really noticable sometimes (dancers can be quite picky!). I've solved this by delaying the audio going into the ATEM by 66ms using two Behringer SHARKs... how are you dealing with audio delay? On my flight case I added a shelf for the sharks. Would love to hear what you're doing. :-)
+Candlelight Productions hey! Thanks for the comment and really glad you enjoyed the setup! The tiny PC is a LattePanda which is basically a single board windows 10 pc. I use it to run a "break screen" for intervals during a live stream. I run chrome in full screen and navigate to a simple website I made that shows "stay tuned... the next talk starts in 20 minutes" and a schedule of upcoming talks. I figured it was the easiest way to do it, rather than creating images and loading them into the ATEM in the media pool. I'll make a video some day about it! It could also be used for media playback which is nice. As for audio delay, I use the XLR connections on one of my cameras and bring the audio in through HDMI so I've not found there to be any sync issues as the video and audio appears to reach the ATEM at the same time. That said, the conferences I shoot might not be as picky about sync as your dancing clients so perhaps that is something I will need to address one day 🙂 Would love to see some videos of your setup, if you have any! Cheers, John
+Sammamish Q ease of transport and fitting are the key reasons. If I was to flip it the other way it would take up more room in the box as I'd have to have it mounted deeper inside. This method is the best of both worlds!
Love your instructional vidio. I am wondering where you bought the rackpanel and hdmi and sdi connectors. I have not been able to find the right ones for my purpose. Thanks for sharing!! Regards Wilko
Hey Wilko- Thanks for the message - Really glad you liked the video. For the panel and all the little modules, I bought them through Thomann. Here's what I got... Panel: www.thomann.de/se/thon_1he_rackblende_xlr.htm BNC: www.thomann.de/se/neutrik_nbb75dfib_bnc_einbaubuchse.htm HDMI: www.thomann.de/se/neutrik_nahdmiwb.htm Ethernet: www.thomann.de/se/neutrik_ne8fdp.htm I bought these through the german site, but in the Swedish Language, so you may need to do some messing with the settings. Hopefully, this helps and please share you final build with us over on twitter: twitter.com/heretorecord Thanks! John
+Marty Shrabel I have not had any issues so far (and hopefully won't). Most people build these tight boxes with gear in them and haven't reported any issues. Been using it for a while now and spotting nothing. I'll be on the lookout though!
Thanks for a great video ! I too was wondering what the cost of the total rig of 2nd hand components cost you. I am considering building something like it.
Hello ! Might be a stupid question but do you have to record with the camera or the signal from it (without recording) is enough to live stream ? This question concerns a wonder about shooting with 30min record limit DSLR.. Thank you.
+Ludovic Borde Hey! Not a stupid question at all. You can just choose to Record or not record, the feed from the camera will be perfectly fine without recording. You will have to make sure that the DSLR does not auto turn off after a certain amount of time on when it's not recording! Thanks
Hey John! Hope you are doing well. Can you please give some more information about Sound? How would I check the output sound? For your kind information I have the very first one switcher which one has no XLR input or output and also no Headphone jack!
Hey- happy to help. I used to use my external monitor (video assist) to check sound during a stream. Another idea is to get a HDMI device that splits out the audio so you can plug in headphones and list to the audio. You can pick these up on amazon for cheap. Something like... Mondpalast ® HDMI Audio Extractor - HDMI zu 2.0 Stereo - 3,5mm Klinke www.amazon.de/dp/B00P44HADW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_kgj8AbDHDCT0W
Thanks for you quick reply. If I got a master output from a sound engineer then how to setup with my switcher (except using any camera XLR input)? Do I need any other device? My main concern is how would I balance the perfect audio with video? Thanks
How about the audio setup for better quality for that box? For example I wanted to do live stream for band shows with multiple mic inputs, guitars, etc.?
I was pertaining to the audio feed going to the encoder, before broadcasting it live. To make sure the audio quality is neat... How did you setup that?
+Alibata Pilipinas ahhh I see! I would usually go from the master out of a mixer and into one of my camera via XLR. Then this will go through the HDMI out of the camera into the mixer. This'll show up in the encoder and will be excellent quality. Alternatively you can run the audio right into the ATEM video switcher however his can cause slight delay between audio and video. Sending the audio in through a camera will sound great and will minimise audio delay.
Thanks for the quick response. But my goal is for the live band show in the stage with multiple mic inputs. I understand that all of those input will be hook up directly to the sound board or mixer, but still confuse how to hook the mixer going to the encoder. Do I need some sort of compressor like the behringer ultra-curve before it goes to the encoder? I will disregard the audio in the ATEM, since you've mentioned that this will cause delay.
+Alibata Pilipinas well let's say for example that you wanted to use the onboard audio from on of your cameras (bad ideas but just for example). Then this audio would be passed via the HDMI cable along with the video from that camera. It would then be routed into the ATEM and out of the ATEM again as it goes to your live streaming encoder. With the ATEM software on the computer, there is a audio section where you decide which camera sources audio to use. If you use different audio on the camera mentioned then that'll find it's way to your encoder through the same route.
It allows for connection between my laptop, ATEM and other computer devices. It also allowed me to plug into a venues internet and create my own little hotspot
Hi John, I'm looking for a multi-cam (iso?) recording solution with my ATEM Television Studio HD - not just recording the PGM, but recording all four SDI-inputs all at the same time. My initial thought was to buy four BMD Hyperdeck Studio Mini and put them in between my cameras and the ATEM as an input/record(/scaler?) device - connecting my cameras to HyperDeck SDI-IN, and then connecting the HyperDeck SDI-OUT to the ATEM SDI-IN. Can you think of a better/cheaper solution? Cheers, Flemming
That’s a tough one. I’ve been thinking it might make sense to use a BMD MultiView 4 and then record the output of that to one HyperDeck Mini. You’ll record a full 4K image with all ISOs on it. I’d personally look into that as it’ll possibly save some money (but make a big old file with the iso recording). Definitely something to think about!
Thanks! That's an interesting suggestion. I'll see what comes up at NAB, and keep you posted on my solution, as I guess you are struggling with the same challenges filming multi-cam at events :) Thanks again for some great videos and inspirations!
Great Question - and that is exactly what I did at first! However, as I explain at 02:30, I am not able to mount it in that direction as I need to have external fans to keep the ATEM really cool when operating it or else it shuts down. It's a known issue with these HD 1M/Es that are a few years old. Sadly, mounting it in the way is my only option.
+rbraxley hey! We run audio into a Canon XA10 camera which then brings the audio into the switcher over HDMI. I've found that this doesn't cause any delay as the Video/Audio are reaching the switcher at the same time.
Hi there, i am currently setting up a 6U shallow flight case to be used for live streaming, just like you do. I have ATEM TVS, Behringer DEQ2496, but not the BMD SmartView Duo yet. I am very interested in the patch panel, but for now i will use direct connection, as i will mount the TVS outward (ports facing outside). Where do you put your streaming encoder and recording device? Is it outside of the case?
+Koko Pratama Pudja hey! Great to hear you are building something similar! We tend to use our box as a live editing rig more often that for streaming so we never built the streaming part into it. For now we just run an output to a laptop (via an Ultra Studio Mini Monitor) and encode using Wirecast. As for recording, we set up a Hyperdeck Shuttle and Record to it. There isn't a great way to mount it in our setup so I didn't mount it in there! Good luck with your setup and let us know how it's going! Thanks 😄
I see. I will use the rig mainly for live streaming so with 6 u, i think i will have two space left for my Teradek encoder. I plan to use a mini pc too for graphic loop/media player. I really want that patch panel and hopefully i can get it someday. By the way, what apps do you use for controlling ATEM in iPad?
+Koko Pratama Pudja sounds like a good plan! I control it mostly from the laptop interface or via TouchOSC (check out atemOSC on GitHub to learn more about that way!). Also building a custom arduino controller too!
+Sammamish Q I often use three cameras. One camera is close by and I use HDMI for that. The others are further away and I use HDMI to SDI converters on those. Then they go into the switcher via the SDI ports.
ah okay, it's just that I have a very long hdmi cable I guess... but I havn't looked into SDI costing. or is SDI just known for being stronger over long distances?
+Sammamish Q along HDMI cables aren't recommended for live video production as they don't play well with hardware switchers. Nothing longer than 3 meters usually. They often just don't work when there longer (although they can work in some cases). If costing is a consideration, you can also look into HDMI to Cat6 extenders as Cat6 cabling is very inexpensive.
+Abe Coulter hey! That would certainly be a solution for some but not quite for us. Room is super tight in the case and dedicating a full ru to a fan unit wouldn't make sense. Also the fan units are great for general air flow on and out of the case, but we wanted air to be directly focused on my ATEM, then we can be confident that it would break down on during a show. Desktop fans work perfectly for us, and we are looking into a slightly different way of mounting some to the case, however they will always be pointed right at the ATEM for maximum stability!
well if you had a 6u or 8u. you could get a 2u fan set. in two or three. filp one around to suck air in amd flip around to blow out. and also ad filters. i will try to do a build video of this
+Abe Coulter aww I wish I could but all our gear backs neatly into a couple of large travel cases that I bring all over Europe for events. If I could possibly make it any bigger I could but I'm already at my own maximum carry ability and the max for loading onto most airlines! Looking forward to your build though!
Copy/Pasting a little here from the above comment... The tiny PC is a LattePanda which is basically a single board windows 10 pc. I use it to run a "break screen" for intervals during a live stream. I run chrome in full screen and navigate to a simple website I made that shows "stay tuned... the next talk starts in 20 minutes" and a schedule of upcoming talks. I figured it was the easiest way to do it, rather than creating images and loading them into the ATEM in the media pool. I'll make a video some day about it! It could also be used for media playback which is nice. Thanks for the connect, Tedz
Here to Record That's really cool, do you just have it set up as a keyer then? In your event streaming video it seems like the background is translucent and that seems pretty cool. Thanks!
+Techkid6 Gaming Hey - I've made a full video about how I use the latte panda and how I've created that translucent effect: ua-cam.com/video/_SvWFKcXraQ/v-deo.html Hopefully it's clear! Feel free to comment on it with and questions!
lol, awesome to see a lenny shirt in the wild! I'm an OG wistia community member and i speak at wistiafest, if you're heading I'll make sure to say hi!
Fun project, but there are parts that gave me a headache. That euro power extension with UK converters, all jammed inside the case... Get an IEC C13 ("kettle lead") PDU, it's a quarter of the size for the number of outlets. Not even the rackmount kind, just a plastic block. They even have mounting holes. Then for your 5V, 9V or 12V devices, get one power adapter that can provide a few amps at whatever voltage you need. The power adapter can have an inlet for C13 or C7 ("figure 8") connectors - make a short power cable that converts to C14 (male kettle lead connector) for your PDU. Then use some terminal block to split your low voltage supply / supplies and distribute around your rack. Perfectly safe if you do it well, and much more compact.
And then those cable ties holding your D-series connectors onto your 1U termination panel. Good grief, man! Get some M3 nuts and bolts, preferably with shake-proof washers! :)
Hi John. I just posted my video putting the ATEM and gear into a 6U flight case and gave a link to your video as well. I think people will get a lot out of your shallow case design.
Thanks for sharing and thanks for the heads up with the Latta Panda, it works great :)
Cheers
Michael
Hey - Thanks for the comment - took me a while to see it - and YES I just watched and loved that video - nice work!
Great video John. I build a setup in a road case and just updating it with the Blackmagic Hyperdeck Studio Mini. Your video gave me some great ideas and will be buying the LattePanda, hope I can get it working lol. Thanks again for sharing
this is very helpful. i followed your setup. i'm also using the old atem and a studio converter. thanks!
Liked and linked to from my original video. Nice work! Way better looking than mine bodged together Studio In A Flightcase.
Thanks Leading Zeros! and thanks for your original video - this wouldn't have happened if it weren't for your excellent TV studio - I must have watched that 10 times from start to finish! :)
Hello,
i'm wondering why you didn't put the connectors on the rear side, while working with it you will have lots of cabling on the desk.
Simply mountig the ATEM pointing with the connectors to the outside will do the job as well and prevents the heat coming from the heatsink to stuck inside the Rack.
Using the pactchbay and patchconnectors wil aslo give you more signal loss wich reduces the possible lenght of SDI cables.
Well this certainly was a long time ago that I made those choices haha. At the time I did some tests and found this to be the most trustworthy way. After all I want to trust the gear when I am at a gig! But I’m sure I would have done it differently now
@@heretorecord
Oh, i'm sorry, i did not recognized the age of the video.
Yes, equipment for live jobs has to be bullet proof, whatever happens...
you're awesome man that's baller
What about Running 2 internal computer fans? One to bring air in, and one to pump air out?
Possibly with a toggle switch on/off on one of the front spaces?
That could indeed work!
Shouldn't you cool the cooler instead of backside, or mount the cooler on the backside which you want to cool ?
Probably but this worked nicely at the time - it was quite a while ago. It also mounted nicer this way.
@@heretorecord Yes I agree it does look pretty nice, I didn't know how atem looks like until you took it out and I see it has very big cooler :) I am trying to put together something with similar possibilities for streaming but on much lower budget :) and just stumbled on your channel so thank you for making it :)
Nice video! I subscribed!
Wouldn't it be more effective to have the fans blowing on the Atem heatsink instead of having the heatsink inside the box and blowing on the front plate ?
In this case I found a method that worked and stuck with it. The reason I chose this side is that in my early days of testing the ATEM I lay it flat on the table and those where the times issues occurred more frequently, so my theory was that keeping that side of the case cool would help. With all of that said it likely would have been good either way. I don’t even use this anymore so I’ll likely never know :)
@@heretorecord Thanks :)
Thanks for the video....very informing....But you never made mention of how you get you audio into the rack....or did you make use of the surrounding audio from the camera?
Yeah I just use the XLR connections on my camera for that!
I think your rig is only the 2nd one I've seen that actually used a custom patch panel for the connections, everyone seems to just run the wires right out the back... mine is set up like that now while I'm building and it drives me crazy! The panel makes everything so much cleaner.
How do you like the BM Smartview duo? Do you ever find you're wishing you had larger screens? I'm on the fence about buying one of those, or buying something like a pair of cheap 10" field monitors. I'm using a pair of 7" monitors I borrowed from my cameras and they really seem to be pushing the limits of usability, but at the same time two larger monitors means another case to carry and more desk space needed to set up with.
+9thstreet agreed about the panel. I used this setup for months without it and now that I have it it just makes perfect sense. Set up is easier which is always great!
As for the monitors, I am perfectly happy with their size - I sit pretty damn close to them in most of my jobs so they work well for me. It's probably the resolution that I'm most disappointed about (it's hard to check focus) - so now I'm thinking about carrying one extra monitor if I can get a light and portable one. I just don't have the space to bring two big monitors (as much as I'd like to).
So I would say if you can find the space, go for the two large ones, however if you are like me and a bit tight for room (and are already carrying around too much equipment as it is) stick with the SmartView for a while and see how it does you!
Hello. Have you ever had your first series ATEM 1 M/E lose the HDMI inputs, but the BNC Hd-SDI inputs still worked? any light you might be able to share is good. I added fans to the factory heat sink side when my unit was new; it never occurred to me to put fans on the face plate side. Thank you.
Thanks for this great video. I am having a tough time tracking down the SDI chassis mounts for the patch panel. Where should I be looking?
Same.
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LOVE it! I actually did mount my ATEM 1M/E facing outward because I figured there would be better airflow through the vents by doing it that way.
I'm curious about the tiny PC you put inside the box.. what's it used for and how does it work?
Also, my experience is that there's a 66ms delay between video and audio using the ATEM; as I record dance shows, this is really noticable sometimes (dancers can be quite picky!). I've solved this by delaying the audio going into the ATEM by 66ms using two Behringer SHARKs... how are you dealing with audio delay?
On my flight case I added a shelf for the sharks. Would love to hear what you're doing.
:-)
+Candlelight Productions hey! Thanks for the comment and really glad you enjoyed the setup!
The tiny PC is a LattePanda which is basically a single board windows 10 pc. I use it to run a "break screen" for intervals during a live stream. I run chrome in full screen and navigate to a simple website I made that shows "stay tuned... the next talk starts in 20 minutes" and a schedule of upcoming talks.
I figured it was the easiest way to do it, rather than creating images and loading them into the ATEM in the media pool. I'll make a video some day about it!
It could also be used for media playback which is nice.
As for audio delay, I use the XLR connections on one of my cameras and bring the audio in through HDMI so I've not found there to be any sync issues as the video and audio appears to reach the ATEM at the same time. That said, the conferences I shoot might not be as picky about sync as your dancing clients so perhaps that is something I will need to address one day 🙂
Would love to see some videos of your setup, if you have any!
Cheers,
John
the heatsink is in the inside, I still don't see why you'd not face it the other way, besides ease of fitting in a box or transport
+Sammamish Q ease of transport and fitting are the key reasons. If I was to flip it the other way it would take up more room in the box as I'd have to have it mounted deeper inside. This method is the best of both worlds!
Hey, where did you get the connectors for the patch bay?
Thomann in Germany... www.thomann.de/ie/index.html
Love your instructional vidio. I am wondering where you bought the rackpanel and hdmi and sdi connectors. I have not been able to find the right ones for my purpose.
Thanks for sharing!!
Regards
Wilko
Hey Wilko- Thanks for the message - Really glad you liked the video.
For the panel and all the little modules, I bought them through Thomann.
Here's what I got...
Panel: www.thomann.de/se/thon_1he_rackblende_xlr.htm
BNC: www.thomann.de/se/neutrik_nbb75dfib_bnc_einbaubuchse.htm
HDMI: www.thomann.de/se/neutrik_nahdmiwb.htm
Ethernet: www.thomann.de/se/neutrik_ne8fdp.htm
I bought these through the german site, but in the Swedish Language, so you may need to do some messing with the settings.
Hopefully, this helps and please share you final build with us over on twitter: twitter.com/heretorecord
Thanks!
John
Have you not had any problems with electromagnetic interference from the power transformers that are in such close proximity with the equipment?
+Marty Shrabel I have not had any issues so far (and hopefully won't). Most people build these tight boxes with gear in them and haven't reported any issues. Been using it for a while now and spotting nothing. I'll be on the lookout though!
Thanks for a great video ! I too was wondering what the cost of the total rig of 2nd hand components cost you. I am considering building something like it.
I would probably guess somewhere around £1500 but it’s hard to say as second hand prices do vary!
Great job! What was the total system cost minus laptop & cameras? THANK YOU!
+Frank Bonilla that's very hard to estimate but in the region of £1500 depending on how expensive your switcher is
Hello !
Might be a stupid question but do you have to record with the camera or the signal from it (without recording) is enough to live stream ?
This question concerns a wonder about shooting with 30min record limit DSLR..
Thank you.
+Ludovic Borde Hey! Not a stupid question at all. You can just choose to Record or not record, the feed from the camera will be perfectly fine without recording. You will have to make sure that the DSLR does not auto turn off after a certain amount of time on when it's not recording! Thanks
Thanks for the video, would like to ask where did u bought ur feedthrough bnc sdi connectors? Thank you
He posted it in the description along with other equipment but here it is thomann.de/se/thon_1he_rackblende_xlr.htm
Hey John! Hope you are doing well. Can you please give some more information about Sound? How would I check the output sound? For your kind information I have the very first one switcher which one has no XLR input or output and also no Headphone jack!
Hey- happy to help. I used to use my external monitor (video assist) to check sound during a stream. Another idea is to get a HDMI device that splits out the audio so you can plug in headphones and list to the audio. You can pick these up on amazon for cheap. Something like... Mondpalast ® HDMI Audio Extractor - HDMI zu 2.0 Stereo - 3,5mm Klinke www.amazon.de/dp/B00P44HADW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_kgj8AbDHDCT0W
Thanks for you quick reply. If I got a master output from a sound engineer then how to setup with my switcher (except using any camera XLR input)? Do I need any other device? My main concern is how would I balance the perfect audio with video?
Thanks
How about the audio setup for better quality for that box? For example I wanted to do live stream for band shows with multiple mic inputs, guitars, etc.?
+Alibata Pilipinas you might want to check out some audio mixers that come in a rack configuration. There are a bunch of options out there!
I was pertaining to the audio feed going to the encoder, before broadcasting it live. To make sure the audio quality is neat... How did you setup that?
+Alibata Pilipinas ahhh I see! I would usually go from the master out of a mixer and into one of my camera via XLR. Then this will go through the HDMI out of the camera into the mixer. This'll show up in the encoder and will be excellent quality.
Alternatively you can run the audio right into the ATEM video switcher however his can cause slight delay between audio and video.
Sending the audio in through a camera will sound great and will minimise audio delay.
Thanks for the quick response. But my goal is for the live band show in the stage with multiple mic inputs. I understand that all of those input will be hook up directly to the sound board or mixer, but still confuse how to hook the mixer going to the encoder. Do I need some sort of compressor like the behringer ultra-curve before it goes to the encoder?
I will disregard the audio in the ATEM, since you've mentioned that this will cause delay.
+Alibata Pilipinas well let's say for example that you wanted to use the onboard audio from on of your cameras (bad ideas but just for example). Then this audio would be passed via the HDMI cable along with the video from that camera. It would then be routed into the ATEM and out of the ATEM again as it goes to your live streaming encoder.
With the ATEM software on the computer, there is a audio section where you decide which camera sources audio to use.
If you use different audio on the camera mentioned then that'll find it's way to your encoder through the same route.
solution. rack mount fan unit
What´s is the router function in the setup? Thanks.
It allows for connection between my laptop, ATEM and other computer devices. It also allowed me to plug into a venues internet and create my own little hotspot
Hi John,
I'm looking for a multi-cam (iso?) recording solution with my ATEM Television Studio HD - not just recording the PGM, but recording all four SDI-inputs all at the same time.
My initial thought was to buy four BMD Hyperdeck Studio Mini and put them in between my cameras and the ATEM as an input/record(/scaler?) device - connecting my cameras to HyperDeck SDI-IN, and then connecting the HyperDeck SDI-OUT to the ATEM SDI-IN. Can you think of a better/cheaper solution?
Cheers,
Flemming
That’s a tough one. I’ve been thinking it might make sense to use a BMD MultiView 4 and then record the output of that to one HyperDeck Mini. You’ll record a full 4K image with all ISOs on it. I’d personally look into that as it’ll possibly save some money (but make a big old file with the iso recording). Definitely something to think about!
Thanks! That's an interesting suggestion. I'll see what comes up at NAB, and keep you posted on my solution, as I guess you are struggling with the same challenges filming multi-cam at events :)
Thanks again for some great videos and inspirations!
Looking forward to hearing about anything you find! (So long as it comes with a nice price tag)
It'll have too - my wife just put me on a budget :D
why not turn the atem with connectors outside?
Great Question - and that is exactly what I did at first! However, as I explain at 02:30, I am not able to mount it in that direction as I need to have external fans to keep the ATEM really cool when operating it or else it shuts down. It's a known issue with these HD 1M/Es that are a few years old. Sadly, mounting it in the way is my only option.
Got any questions on our setup, or did we forget to mention something? Leave a comment and we'll get back to you!
We sure did - We've put links to them all in our related blog post: heretorecord.com/blog/tv-studio-flight-case
Thanks!
Audio? Are you using camera audio exclusively, or do you have a board source?
+rbraxley hey! We run audio into a Canon XA10 camera which then brings the audio into the switcher over HDMI. I've found that this doesn't cause any delay as the Video/Audio are reaching the switcher at the same time.
what is the panda thing for?
It’s just a mini PC running windows 10 and I use it for some graphics as seen here... ua-cam.com/video/_SvWFKcXraQ/v-deo.html
Hi there, i am currently setting up a 6U shallow flight case to be used for live streaming, just like you do. I have ATEM TVS, Behringer DEQ2496, but not the BMD SmartView Duo yet.
I am very interested in the patch panel, but for now i will use direct connection, as i will mount the TVS outward (ports facing outside).
Where do you put your streaming encoder and recording device? Is it outside of the case?
+Koko Pratama Pudja hey! Great to hear you are building something similar!
We tend to use our box as a live editing rig more often that for streaming so we never built the streaming part into it. For now we just run an output to a laptop (via an Ultra Studio Mini Monitor) and encode using Wirecast.
As for recording, we set up a Hyperdeck Shuttle and Record to it. There isn't a great way to mount it in our setup so I didn't mount it in there!
Good luck with your setup and let us know how it's going! Thanks 😄
I see. I will use the rig mainly for live streaming so with 6 u, i think i will have two space left for my Teradek encoder. I plan to use a mini pc too for graphic loop/media player. I really want that patch panel and hopefully i can get it someday.
By the way, what apps do you use for controlling ATEM in iPad?
+Koko Pratama Pudja sounds like a good plan! I control it mostly from the laptop interface or via TouchOSC (check out atemOSC on GitHub to learn more about that way!). Also building a custom arduino controller too!
Do you live in the UK or USA
I’m originally from the UK but live in Sweden now :)
why only one HDMI? don't you use 2 cameras?
+Sammamish Q I often use three cameras. One camera is close by and I use HDMI for that. The others are further away and I use HDMI to SDI converters on those. Then they go into the switcher via the SDI ports.
ah okay, it's just that I have a very long hdmi cable I guess... but I havn't looked into SDI costing. or is SDI just known for being stronger over long distances?
+Sammamish Q along HDMI cables aren't recommended for live video production as they don't play well with hardware switchers. Nothing longer than 3 meters usually. They often just don't work when there longer (although they can work in some cases).
If costing is a consideration, you can also look into HDMI to Cat6 extenders as Cat6 cabling is very inexpensive.
Hi! If I want to use mac mini instead of lattepand; is that okay?
Yes of course. I just had this mini PC so I wanted to include it. The Mac Mini should work well for you!
Thanks and appreciate
solution. rack mount fan unit
+Abe Coulter hey! That would certainly be a solution for some but not quite for us. Room is super tight in the case and dedicating a full ru to a fan unit wouldn't make sense.
Also the fan units are great for general air flow on and out of the case, but we wanted air to be directly focused on my ATEM, then we can be confident that it would break down on during a show.
Desktop fans work perfectly for us, and we are looking into a slightly different way of mounting some to the case, however they will always be pointed right at the ATEM for maximum stability!
well if you had a 6u or 8u. you could get a 2u fan set. in two or three. filp one around to suck air in amd flip around to blow out. and also ad filters. i will try to do a build video of this
+Abe Coulter aww I wish I could but all our gear backs neatly into a couple of large travel cases that I bring all over Europe for events. If I could possibly make it any bigger I could but I'm already at my own maximum carry ability and the max for loading onto most airlines! Looking forward to your build though!
contacted you via facebook
what do u use the Latte Panda for, -
Copy/Pasting a little here from the above comment...
The tiny PC is a LattePanda which is basically a single board windows 10 pc. I use it to run a "break screen" for intervals during a live stream. I run chrome in full screen and navigate to a simple website I made that shows "stay tuned... the next talk starts in 20 minutes" and a schedule of upcoming talks.
I figured it was the easiest way to do it, rather than creating images and loading them into the ATEM in the media pool. I'll make a video some day about it!
It could also be used for media playback which is nice.
Thanks for the connect, Tedz
Thanks just done my research on Latte and im in the field of getting a switch from Black Magic
Here to Record That's really cool, do you just have it set up as a keyer then? In your event streaming video it seems like the background is translucent and that seems pretty cool. Thanks!
+Techkid6 Gaming Hey - I've made a full video about how I use the latte panda and how I've created that translucent effect: ua-cam.com/video/_SvWFKcXraQ/v-deo.html Hopefully it's clear! Feel free to comment on it with and questions!
Lenny!
Lenny who?
Your shirt, that's Lenny from Wistia :)
HAHA Yeah! totally forgot! Love that shirt :)
lol, awesome to see a lenny shirt in the wild! I'm an OG wistia community member and i speak at wistiafest, if you're heading I'll make sure to say hi!
+Ian Servin feel free to say hi over on the Wistia Community slack, if you're in there! iamjohnbarker is my username.
its a horror show of cable managment....
Thin cables helped me on more recent builds!