I upgraded to the 965 from the 955. I think the screen is a huge QOL improvement especially if you wear the watch all day and use it as a smartwatch and not just for workouts, it looks brilliant indoors. I also mainly train in the early mornings and evenings as it is freaking hot here in south east asia, and the AMOLED pops better than the backlight of the 955 in low light. However biggest downside is the curve screen, which makes it more susceptible to scratches and hunting for a screen protector (TPU) is a pain. The thinner watch compared to 955 is very noticeable though, it feels alot more nimble on the wrist. My previous 955 was the white version with the black plastic bezel, visually it looks more bulky and larger compared to a black 965 and slimmer titanium bezel, which is a plus too. Overall the battery tradeoff is worth it as a week of AOD with Amoled is crazy by industry standards, and a week is more than enough time to not annoy me to charge.
It is really great hearing your opinion being someone who’s had them both. I agree with you but also think the 955 might be a fantastic option for someone who’s main focus is outside direct sunlight activities. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
@@mlegrand Unfortunate Garmin is not further improving MIP / passive displays (reduce bezels & thickness). On the e-ink side there has been lot of improvements. But seems Garmin is going all in with AMOLED since that's what the mass market wants. I hope we still have choices next year (Fenix 8?) since AMOLED has downsides for me. E.g. alwaysOn outside shows as a black screen in bright conditions wasting battery. And not fan of inverted dark displays during the day.
@@mlegrand Got 955 and much better fit for my use case scenario. So clearly ymmv thing. MIP has lower contrast/saturation/res. but don't need that for map tracking. Also prefer white backgrounds in the data fields. The instinct works indoors/outdoors best but no maps isn't for everyone.
Mr. LeGrand, the quality of this video, the way you film things, the way you put them together in the final production process, the b-rolls, the close-ups, the slowmos....it is pure art. I admire your skills. Thx for what you do.
@@FoobsTon - I’m guessing there are a lot of people out there that would agree with you regarding my videos. 🤷🏻♂️ Thanks for watching and posting feedback either way. 👌
I love the Forerunner 965 its way better than what Samsung, Google pixel and Apple watch as to offer especially battery life. I don't have to keep charging basically every day, I know we all look for different things in a watch. But I'm okay with Garmin not turning there watches into a full blown phone. Simple is better...and I'm enjoying my 965 since I got it!!!
That is wonderful to hear Dorothy. I’m glad you’re enjoying this one. Keep me posted on how it holds up for you and thank you so much for posting your feedback here. 👍
Very good point! It'd be amazing to get a good deal on a 955 knowing it does everything the 965 does all with a slightly better battery. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment Ryan. I really appreciate it. 👍
Wow, thank you so much for the kind words. It's nice to hear because often the comments section of these videos isn't always so positive. But I'll continue to post videos and I'll try to continue to improve. Thanks again Ahmad!
@@Hooty1112 - You’re welcome for making you second guess your decision. 😆 They are actually really close in pixel count. 410x502 pixels in the AWU and 416x416 pixels on the Garmin. (I think 🤔) So pretty similar.
Had the watch for 3 weeks now. Previous was a Garmin 6pro. At first it felt cheap because of the build vs the 6pro but after multiple runs and hikes in really enjoying the watch. Using maps under the dark canopy of trees has been great with bright screen.
Recently upgraded from the Fr 245music to Fr965 and couldn't be happier. I was afraid the size wohld be too big for my petite female wrists, but I love it. It has so many added metrics than the 245. I was tempted to get the Epix, but it didn't seem to add enough for thr steep price difference.
I think you'll really like this one. My wife used mine for about a month and she really liked the size. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Coming from a Fenix 6X pro, I got this one couple of weeks ago and it is fantastic. Almost 50g less make it really lightweight and screen is amazing especially under water. In two weeks I just recharged once, meaning AMOLED display does not drain battery at all.
Are you using 'raise to wake' or always on? I've been really impressed with this device's battery life. It probably isn't as long as your Fenix 6X but it's plenty good enough where you don't feel like you're constantly charging it. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
@@adriant.7457 this watch does not include only run, but also a wide range of activities such as pool swim or even open water swim. While swimming, is quite useful to read the screen to check ur pace, distance etc… whilst this was barely visible in MIP-based screens, in this AMOLED is super clear.
Had the 965 for a few weeks now, coming from a Coros Apex that I had for 3yrs. I purchased this instead of the Apex2 and in hindsight I am glad I made the change. I was concerned about battery life since the Apex was amazing in that regard but the 965 screen is just *beauuutiful as well as the other features. I can get about 10 days before I get down to under 20% with the 965 with ~10+hrs of training a week and "raise to wake" mode. Pretty high learning curve going from Coros to Garmin (first Garmin device) but after a few days I was able to navigate with ease. Nested options with Garmin were not that intuitive and I had to keep going back to documentation/UA-cam a few times to figure things out. One noticeable difference was the running power measurement between Coros Apex and the 965. They were both stable readings but the 965 reads about 40W higher than the Coros. I don't have a running pod so I'm not sure which one is "correct" but not sure if it matters if it is adjusted to yourself and takes stable readings. It took a week or so of running daily to figure out my new power zones for training and comparing previous Apex workouts to current 965 workouts to determine the correct translation so I could update TrainingPeaks. Big pluses for me are the built in HRV (previously I would do a single morning reading), maps!, high res screen, more accurate wrist HR (before I would ALWAYS have to wear a strap as the Apex would pick up my cadence 75% of the time instead of HR), and touch screen! Also, the 965 estimated my first treadmill run today within 0.1 miles (over a 5mi run) with fairly accurate pace changes from warmup to steady to cooldown - I would have to change these manually on the Apex while doing dreadmill workouts. Happy so far with no regrets.
Free 40 watts! 😂. Joking. But even a foot pod isn't going to give valid power data. Any of these devices are just giving their own estimation of power. They each use different math to come with force so I wouldn't stress too much about the exact number. (seems like you're not worried about it). It is frustrating for spots like training Peaks where it's trying to track progress. Thanks for checking out this video Brandon!
Cadence lock ALL THE FRIGGIN TIME is what drove me away from Coros after a year. Your summation is bang-on above, except I moved to 955 rather 965 - prefer the MIPS... But I have a Venu 2 for daily wear. Def appreciate an AMOLED, but for sports it's not my cuppa.
Another great video Matt LeGrand. I've been using the 965 for a month now having come from a 945. So far I like what I see with some things I don't think have improved. Sleep tracking still sucks and still doesn't record daytime naps like many other trackers that are 1/6th of the price. I'll wake up feeling great and the watch says I had a poor sleep rating. Also no ECG as you noted and it appears the hardware isn't included. Others have noted scratching on their lens so I have a protector however because of the curve it has to be flexible. So definitely not as protective as the ones I used for my 945. I also think it's a little conservative on the suggested workouts. I am doing the Multisport Mixer on Zwift and have done it several times over the last couple years. If I followed the 965's recommended workouts I would hardly get any intense workouts. Battery life has been great. I have 6 workouts on it this week and in 6 days am still at 42%. 4 indoor and 2 outdoor on GPS. Total of 6hrs. Still glad I bought it but hope that future updates improve some of the things that I think are lacking.
Great feedback TJ! Glad it's working well enough for you. I like your suggestions. Even if you had to manually input a nap, it'd still be nice to have that contribute to recovery, body battery and training readiness. Maybe they'll update firmware with something like that some day. 🤷♂️
Hi. I finaly update from 235 to 965...Ordered it yesterday. I'm kind of exited what is becoming with that new Garmin. I have watched all your Garmin vids for many times and liked those a much, thanks! Greetings from Finland!
Just bought. I’ll let you know but the watch is really nice on the wrist and very well equipped from a tech standpoint. I think Garmin hit a home run with this FR965.
Wow! Awesome video, great review. Really one of the best I've seen in its kind. Congrats! Stumbled upon it unboxing my new FR965 today. Coming from a FR255 which I'm using for just a year now, but just couldn't resist a great deal (€454)... 🙋🏽♂️From The Netherlands
What a watch ot is! I had the 955 solar and was fearing the battery life wouldn't be as good but how wrong I was! The screen is beautiful, and I've used the watch for 1 week with multiple runs and still on 43 per cent 👌
Thank you so much for the really kind words Luiz! Next up is a video about the Instinct 2X Solar and then maybe some bike stuff. Let me know if there's anything in particular you'd like me to explore here on the channel. 👍
hey@@mlegrand, As a fellow triathlete, I think an honest review about: 1. what gadgets you use in your daily training 2. which of those bring most value and which not so much Maybe a bit of a stretch, but something like "benefit for the dollar" gadget is also interesting. Like which ones are really worth it and the ones that are not so much
I'd love to see Garmin integrate it all in a 975. ECG. Voice Assistant. The LTE paging and tracking feature from the 945 LTE, though not necessarily actual Apple-style voice calling. Maybe a bit more bezel reduction. The idea is a sport watch that dispenses with the need for Apple, Samsung and Google's polished but very proprietary and platform-specific smartwatches.
Me too. I wonder what the release cycling will be going forward with devices like the 975. Feels crazy to even type "975". I agree with you. They 'smart' watch features are what's lacking on these devices when compared to the Apple Watch. I think people are still at a point where they're picking a smart watch or a fitness/endurance watch. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
I went from the FR 910XT to the FR 965, suffice to say I'm very happy with the 12 years of improvements! It even tracks open water butterfly correctly! 😄 (The FR 910XT was a really good watch though!)
It's going to be hard to beat the value you got our of that 910!!! And can I ask why were you doing open water butterfly? 😂 Glad you're enjoying it. It's a great watch!
@@mlegrand Yeah, the 910 was amazing, and I do think the GPS accuracy was better on that watch (setting the butterfly aside) than many Garmin watches that followed, at least that is the impression I got from reading comments on DC Rainmakers blog and other places). About the butterfly: I participated in an open water race where you swim 1000 meters butterfly last week! I know, it sounds crazy, right? That was my thought when I initially read about it, but it also got me fired up, this was a real challenge like no other. So I trained for a year and it went well! The race is part of Wörthersee Swim, it is a two day event in a lake in the Alps in Austria, absolute amazing location and fun event.
@@aetles Wow, every part of that sounds amazing except the 1000m butterfly part. 😂 But that's super cool that you trained specifically for this and it went well. Awesome job 🙌
Yes I agree with your conclusion 965 is just 955 plus It do not have any difference function than previous version It better than previous version only look good but It do not have any new function better than before
💯! Agree with all of your observations here Matt. 9 months cycle, must be some disappointed 955 owners out there. Obviously AMOLED is the future and MIP will be niche, ultra event style watches. Garmin’s future probably looking a bit bleak with the stiff competition from Apple Watch Ultra at the high end and SE at the low end, as well as others. Shame because I’ve been a fan of Garmin for a long time but hard to deny attractions from an AW if you’re an iPhone user (God help Garmin if they let people use an Apple Watch with their iPad or MacBook, game over!) Great looking video as always, thanks again.
I wear both an apple watch 6 and the garmin forerunner 245 24/7. I like the apple watch for what it is, but when I upgrade my garmin, it will certainly be a 955 or fenix 7. I don't want an amoled screen on my sports watch, and the flashy UI on the 965 is way too much for me. Especially in the evenings.
Thanks so much Carlos! I think Apple still needs to put a big effort into fitness tracking but I could see it happening. I know the AWU has put a dent in Garmin's highend outdoor fitness watches. I can't remember but it was something crazy like a 20% drop? 🤷♂️ But it's got to hurt Apple knowing that their watch requires an iPhone and that's only 30% market share world wide. 😬 It just limits their options. Maybe they'll surprise us all and announce something big this fall.
Thank you so much for the kind words!!! I really appreciate it. I don’t have any plans to make a comparison between the 965 in the Ultra but that would be a cool video.
I've reached out to Suunto a few times and have never heard anything back. 🦗 I have an Instinct 2X to review and then I'd love to compare a few of the high end bike computers. Then a few product announcements. There's so many videos that I want to make but it's hard when you can realistically only make one per week. Good problems I guess. Thanks Jon!
So beautiful video. I got my 965 yesterday, and mine is not as fast as the one on the video at all. Especially with maps... it takes up to 7 sec to load a new map area after zooming/panning😢
Thanks for the kind words about the video. The 965 I have here is just a stock normal version of the device. Yours should work just as fast. Typically my first click or touch might be slow but after that it speeds up. It might be worth checking with Garmin to see if yours is having an issue. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Been thinking about getting this just recently, but I think I'm going to hold out till the new version comes out with some of the last possible QOL changes you mentioned.
That would be amazing. I say make whatever you have last as long as possible. Get your money’s worth out of it. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Nice! I use the AWU on my other wrist frequently. It's an interesting comparison to the 965. I will say that that 255 was a great option for the price. Great option for people. Someone probably got a great deal if you sold it used.
I've worn the AWU and a Garmin and compared the data to a ECG style HRM many many times while swimming, biking and running. I wouldn't make the statement above ☝️. Modern Garmin watches and modern Apple watches both seem to track heart rate really really well. It'd be hard to declare a winner in my opinion. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
I think so. I imagine that the future 965 (or 975) will get speakers and mics maybe but I have no idea. But for now, I think the 965 is still a fantastic option. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Im considering getting one of these when I'm ready for my next watch but I'm worried about banging it around, I'm always hitting my watch on something at work.
It might be worth seeing if you can find a cheap watch lens cover. I've actually had really good luck with them in the past. In fact, I had a big scratch on a 935 and the lens cover actually filled in the scratch and made it look better than new. I've been wearing this without any sort of protection and so far it's been fine. 👍
So question is one year later. Is it still worth it? I wish Apple Watches could have better battery life. With the new updates coming to it I wouldn’t have to consider switching yet but the battery life of my SE 2nd gen is not even a day worth at this point …
The 965 is an awesome watch but I do think there are many things you’ll miss from your Apple Watch. They’re just smarter smart watches. Tricky call. You could always wait and see what Apple is up to this fall. 🤷🏻♂️
@@mlegrand I think you got a point. I do not have any high hopes but if Apple end up making an Ultra with considerable better battery life I would beat myself up over not waiting for it, so I think I will try to stay patient.
I just upgraded from the 945 to the 965. While I never minded MIP screen on the 945 and the older watches I've had, it would be very hard to go back to that type of screen after using the AMOLED screen on the 965.
Yeah, it's a big difference. I think it's the sharpness of the screen that is so remarkable. I do actually go back and forth with watches like the Garmin Enduro 2 (MIPs display) and I've been ok with the lack of sharpness. The extra battery life can really be helpful in some situations. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Here’s the funny thing about that, even the most expensive sleep tracking devices are only about 70% accurate. So it’s hard to compare these devices to a known good option to show what’s ‘good’ vs ‘bad’. I also like the 965. Hopefully it ends up being a great option for you long term. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
@@mlegrand Yes, I hear ya. The most frustrating part for me with the sleep is that other metrics rely on that data to be accurate as well. The biggest one is the Training Readiness. Mine always says I'm not ready to train because of "poor sleep" even though I know I slept just fine. Of course, I can easily ignore this, but it's still annoying that it is not accurate. I've heard those ring devices are more accurate because they are less likely to shift during sleep. It would be nice if Garmin had a ring that you could wear to sleep that would connect to the app and give you better feedback. I also just don't like the feeling of having a watch on when I sleep. For now, I will just have to forego sleeping with it.
Geat video thanks. I have been looking at the 965 and also feel more like a 955 PRO. Like you also said they could have waited a bit and add some of those new features to make it really a version bump. I have seen rumours of possibly a new version of the EPIC with a new OHRM. If they are true , wondering why they did not wait for it. Any way looks like the display and smaller bezel are a welcom feature.On the good side, using the same hardware as the 955 make iit benefit from all the bug fix already done.
Humid and rainy weather shouldn't effect the HR accuracy. I would suggest trying to wear your watch one to two notches tighter when running than when wearing around every day. But the optical heart rate sensors do better or worse for a variety of reasons: activity type, skin color and wrist shape for example. Try to push the watch up a little bit away from your wrist joint as well. The 965's optical heart rate sensor shouldn't be massively better than the 945. But again, that'll depend on a lot of factors. (some led light colors penetrate different skin tones better than others)
Hi Matt. Last time I commented here was on Grit X review. Nice video and effects. Can you provide some battery comparison between FR955 vs 965 with display turned on on gesture...with your usual activites. What is the difference in days for your normal usage, if you haven't used it only with always on display? BTW, FR265 button...after all it is ForeRUNner series:)
Thanks for dropping back by the channel Cuba1hr! I'm still here making videos! 😀 My 955 non solar battery experience has been about 2 weeks where as the 965 tends to be anywhere from 6-8 days for me. Maybe the Fore'Run'ner title also needs an update. 🤷♂️ These watches are really solid triathlon options these days. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Great quality review as always. I am really undecided on a garmin watchand overwhelmed by the options, they all seem to be multisport and I would be mainly using it for biking. Any suggestions on the best one? Happy to go with or without maps.
Without maps, you might consider the 255 non-music. It's a fantastic option at a great price. Adding maps bumps you way up in price. The 955 is $500 but you might be able to find a deal on it now that this 965 is out. The MIP transflective displays are going to be easier to ready outside in direct sunlight. But when you're off the bike, these AMOLED screens are nice.
Oh, also the Garmin Instinct 2 or 2X Solar. Forever battery life if you're ok with the look and the monochrome display. 👌🏻 (Video coming up soon on the 2X)
Great video! super qualitative! I had the 945 lte and upgraded to the 965 (I wanted touch and managed to get it cheaper than a 955) and I agree with you, regarding graphics, sometimes I feel it is too much. But other than that, it very nice to read outdoors. Also super confortable and stable, very pleased with it.
One of the big differences between the 965 and the 265 is mapping - but you can easily add maps to the 265 with an app like Mappily for not very much money. Might be worth a look if you're on the fence about which to go for.
Awesome suggestion. I actually haven’t reviewed the 265 on this channel yet. I was going to snag one and try to review it here in the next 4-6 weeks. I’ll give the maps app a try. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
It seems like a simple thing Garmin could add. It could even be manually entered. It’d be great and I’d need to test it a lot. So that’d mean lots of naps. Come on Garmin!!!
Decided on the 955 because I’m in direct sunlight a lot. I don’t like the gesture mode either. It’s a choice and I’m used to my 935. Just needed newer tech for the mapping etc.
Maybe I'm old school but those AMOLED Garmins now look like all the other generic smartwatches out there. And having to deal with constant dimming and turning your wrist to see stats under the bright sun is a huge step backwards. Hopefully they'll continue making MIP watches...
I think it'd be smart to keep MIPS around and just make it for the extreme battery devices. So options for both preferences. Those transflective displays are solid outdoors which is kind of what these watches are designed for in the first place. 🤷🏻♂️ Thanks ToroDron!
I have both and I think I'd gravitate towards the 965 for those activities. The display on the 965 is significantly better. Keep me posted on what you end up with and how you like it.
It's hard to distinguish between all of the newer ones with multi-band GPS. I'd have a look at the Garmin Enduro 2 or the new Fenix 7 Pro. I also have some videos about cycling computers here on this channel that might be worth checking out: ua-cam.com/video/3lxRyJOwcJY/v-deo.html Thanks for watching and keep me posted on what you end up with and how you like it. 👌🏻
Hi there! I also have a Garmin 245 and I’m thinking of changing for this 965. But I have a question that I think you can help: wile on hiking ou trail running can I see de elevation gain? When I start the watch can I see the elevation gain from zero on the screen? Or just in the final os the track when I connect to my phone? Thank you very much.
You can see elevation gain on the device while hiking or trail running. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
I own this along with the epix(2). I agree the colors are a little oversaturated for me for regular use, but on runs it is really nice (especially if visually impaired)
I think it's the overuse of images that bugs me a tiny little bit. I'd just suggest trying to make it really clear and easy for people to read. Functional over fancy. The higher resolution is awesome but I have this gut feeling that these design choices are going to look dated after a few years. Thanks Erik!
That would be my guess but I really really hope that Garmin considers the 955 with all of it's updates. That timeline between the two was just too short.
@@mlegrand Fully agreed, let’s see how it plays out..There are so many new watch models out one is expected to just move on to the next generation faster than before, at least that is how it feels, a negative of the information age.
Well if you have the 7X then you’re full covered on all the functionality that you could get from the 965 but I do think you’d enjoy having both and being able to switch to this lighter weight option. I also think you’d like the big bright display. Let me know what you end up doing and how you like it. Thanks! 👌
I'd say it's very good but not perfect. Here's a test where I have one watch (255) on top of a swim buoy so that it's as accurate as possible and then I'm testing two other watches on each wrist: analyze.dcrainmaker.com/#/public/137b0ed5-765a-4e89-5bca-505a17472284 Have a look at the bottom where the open water GPS tracks are mapped. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
I don't see it as an easy option with this standard watchface. But you can download tons of other watch face options from ConnectIQ. I'm sure you can find a watchface that has training load or acute training load. 👌🏻
my 965 is one of the watches i regret buying, great watch but way way to fragile, if you only use it when you workout good but as an every day watch it looks beat up fast, never had that problem with my epix or fenix watches. yeah its more compact lighter but i would not buy it again
Did you end up with screen damage? My 965 is doing ok but my 265 has a small scratch in the middle of the display. I have had really good luck with screen protectors that slap on there and hide the scratch. amzn.to/3uprVSa
@@mlegrand it looks like most apple watches look after a year marks and scratches all around i thought my epix with the silver bezel would be way more prone to show the wear than the 965 but nah.
I know it is a sport watch supreme vs the apple ultra, but they really need to add in the ecg reading and possibly a mic/speaker to connect to an android phone. At some point, the apple ultra will be able to do much better sports functions, which they have been improving, and really start to take market share away from garmin.
I agree. I will be watching what Apple does closely. It'll be very interesting to see what improvements Watch OS 10 has with regards to sports and fitness. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Does anyone know if the options for watch faces are the same across the three versions (yellow band, black band, white band)? I like the white band version of the 965 but much prefer the colours of the default watch face of the yellow band version. Are they interchangeable?
Often times Garmin will have specific watch faces for each device but they do have the same watch face options within each device type. So each color will have the same watch face options as the other colors of the 965.
Ok this is a weird answer but the 965 is a bit more visible under water and the 955 is a better option if you take a break and are looking at the watch above water. I'd probably go with the 965 because it's screen is a bit larger and sharper but it'd depend on what else you're up to. Let me know what you end up with and how you like it. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Finally jumped back from polar to garmin for this watch. From Vantage v2 to the 965. Feels like a new generation of watch, I only wish the in built heart rate sensor was as good as the polar precision prime. Apart from that 👍
Very interesting. I never thought you'd switch away from Polar. I wonder when Polar is going to launch something new. Seems like the Vantage V3 should be coming out soon? 🤷♂️ Keep me posted on what you think of this one once you've had it for a bit. Thanks!
@@mlegrand I try not to be too brand specific but the polar UI and bezel seem very dated. I will be keeping a sharp eye on the V3 news in the fall! I’ll keep you posted on how I get on. Great video again Matt!
I love the 945 also. I think the 966 would be a very nice upgrade but if your 945 is still functioning well, you might want to max out the value. 🤷🏻♂️ Keep me posted on what you do!
On my right arm is an Apple Watch Ultra. My left is a Garmin Instinct 2X. (I should have a review out next week, hopefully 🤞) And then in my hand was the FR 965. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Well, prepare to be disappointed. I haven't seen any new Garmin pedal rumors but there seems to be lots of talk about new watches. My guess would be touchscreens. 🤷♂️
Nice review! Still a bug i am getting on my garmin forerunner 955... When I go cycling and watch the after report it shows altitude meters way more than i actually did when i compare it to my garmin cycling computer. Any advice or tips to get it fixed? For example garmin computer indicates 60m elevation and the watch shows it was 235m...
You should be able to calibrate the altimeter and you can see if that helps. (I have my doubts) I would double check the temperature to see if that looks correct on the watch. If the digital thermometer isn't working it'll effect the altitude which is a common issue. You could also check the Garmin forums to see if it's a known issues. Otherwise you could check in with Garmin and see if they have any ideas. Sorry you're having issues Kevin. Let me know if you figure anything out.
@@mlegrand Thanks for the reply! Do you have maybe an idea how I have to put my sensors and accecoires. For example do I have to put altimeter and barometer on altitude? Or both on auto?
@@kevin_heylen8785 - I suggest auto calibrate and sensor mode auto for both altimeter and barometer. And I'd calibrate both. I'd also have a look at the temperature data because if that's off, it's likely a broken sensor which used to be a common issue with previous 900 series devices. Best of luck!
@@mlegrand Many thanks for the quick replies the temperature is dot on only there is a red exclamation mark before the weather widget but when i open it it's updated untill that minute with the correct temperature :)
I really only use Spotify. You're saying Tidal is the best? I'll have to check it out. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Honestly as someone with a fresh look at the Garmin products (I just started preping for my first iron man). I was disappointed in the software that Garmin uses. I am not only talking about the watches but also the bike computers for instance. It just feels like I am using a technology from 10 or 15 years ago... And the interface 😩 in my opinion is just a joke. It feels like a Gameboy interface... Garmin if you are reading this you really need to step it up.
Sadly, I doubt Garmin is reading my comments section but I’ll pass it along to them. And I can see what you mean. It feels a bit analog or like we’re living pre smart phone days. But I think if you start using these for IM training you’ll appreciate it. It’s a better simple system for doing the real work that you’re going to be doing. The smart phone style devices get frustrating under adverse conditions. Let me know as you what you think! 👍
@@mlegrand not sure if one should exclude the other... And considering the amount of money we are paying for their devices I would sure appreciate a bit more effort from Garim on the interface. Definitely when speaking about the navigation on the bike computer... And the fact that there is no ECG on the watch for so much money. I mean come it's a no brainer. But hay there luckily also other brands and apple sure is stepping up their game. Maybe Garmin will become the blackbarry of the fitness industry... I wouldn't be surprised.
@@AAA-ee6zo - I agree. The blackberry of sports tech is a real possibility. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
There is no way to get 23 days. Mine, 965, in smartwatch mode, without doing activities, no always on display and with the lowest brightness mode made like 13 days. So pretty far from those 23 hours.
I’ve only been using it in always on display mode but Garmin is typically pretty good with their estimates. Anything else going on? Pulse Ox? Music? How much GPS usage?
Hi Matt, a lot of runners and triathletes are training and also pacing their races based on power now rate rather than pace min/mile. I guess it makes sense if you are running up and down hill what pace do you run up the hill if you want to average 5:00 mile pace and heart rate stays high when you back off so isn’t the best guide either. I was wondering how apple ultra, Stryd and Garmin compare if we want to do running intervals at a power level or pace a race at a power level. Hoping you can do a review on this. Please let me know if you have covered this already.
It's pretty good. I have a standard 1k route where I test watches and compare results. I've tested about 20-30 watches and the 965 is probably in the top 5 or so. It's good.
965 has the same garbage sensors which measure totally incorrect HR. Even cheap Huawei can do it almost perfectly. It also shows you incorrect data of your sleep. And it means that almost ALL metrics they show you are literally a lie. Though it shows you quite precise tempo and directions😂
I’ve had pretty good results from the HR sensor. Two tips, wear the watch snug and push it up away from the bony part of your wrists. I think it’s best to compare it to a chest hr strap data connected to an additional watch.
Interesting video. The 965 has made the 955 an absolute bargain. I have seen it as low as £343 here in the UK. For an excellent running watch with maps that's a steal. Are they still making the 955?
Yes, my understanding is that they're still making the 955. 100% agree. Great deal right now. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
I have been a happy owner of FR965 since it became available in April. Sleep and activity tracking work wonderfully. Optical heart rate is reliable and works well in the water as well if I tighten the wristband enough. The oxygen saturation measurement seems unreliable but it doesn't bother me since I don't use it. The watch is pleasantly light to wear and being thinner than the 955 is a really nice feature. I get about 13-14 days of battery life in gesture mode with no GPS or music, but with about an hour of some kind of workout every day.
Nice! I don't really use the oxygen saturation feature either. Glad you're seeing good data in the water. Swimming is a very tricky activity to get solid heart rate readings. Thanks Kristjan!
I'm a hater. I hate the domed, curved display. The display should be recessed slightly and completely flat. I hate the extra glare. I hate watch displays that don't stay on. I hate that Garmin does not have a fully-featured watch that's not gigantic or crippled in some way (no, the 255sand its silly 1.1" display does not cut it) I don't hate your reviews however :P
Fenix 7s base tics a lot of those boxes, if you're a MIPS Kinda guy. Literally the only thing I would change is it could be thinner. The screen is fantastic outdoors and I don't really need the higher resolution with my questionable eyesight.. being what it is.
I gave my 955 to a young runner I’m mentoring. I ordered the 965 this weekend. I should have by Tuesday! The screen is amazing for my 50 year old eyes.
My wife also struggles to see and she has stolen this watch from me and really enjoyed the sharp bright AMOLED screen. I think you’ll really enjoy it. Keep me posted on what you think. 👌
Those are two great guys that I trust also. Dave from Chase the Summit is awesome also. There's a lot of good reviewers and I'm just happy to be among them. It's fun because we all have our own take and slightly different opinions on these watches. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Ha! - the 18 months of work I put into this single video is all worth it for this one comment. 😆 Just joking, but seriously, thank you. Means a lot coming from another creator. 👍
You think? Battery life is less for sure. Also MIP displays look better in direct sunlight. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Just changed to 965 from Enduro 2 for the screen and the battery life is plenty enough for me. Does exactly what I want from a Garmin and the screen is just amazing.
Yeah, it's a beautiful screen. Are you keeping the Enduro 2 just for those time when you want crazy battery life? I still wear my Enduro 2 pretty frequently. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
For me it is just a new version and no new watch. If I would buy now a new watch, I would go for the 955. Battery is the most important and I prefer the minimalist style of display and not the kindergarten one.
Same for me, I was able to get a great deal on 955 and bought one last week. I don't want something that emits light / draws attention to my wrist but I still want an always on display so the MIP screen is much better and subtle for me. Also the increased diameter of the 965 is too much for me, 955 size is just right. And the functionality is the same :)
I have this gut feeling that we might look back on some of these design decisions and grimace a bit in a few years. We'll see. I think if I were truly looking for the most functional watch while training for an Ironman, the 955 might be a better option than the 965. But I do like the sharper display on this device.
@@mlegrand I hope in the future they will give both options to buy. And maybe MIP get's a bit sharper. Coming from the Fitbit Ionic, I enjoy the non flashy display 😬 At the end I need every bit hour of battery to cover those 600+ bike rides and Ultra runs.
@@mlegrand We probably will! For sure the sharp display has its benefits, especially with maps as you pointed out in the video. But of course it's different for everyone which aspects are most important :)
I cycle over 8,000 miles per year and have been using my iwatch as my sport watch but the gps does not last long enough ( around 8 hours) on long bicycle rides and it does not have maps. So was looking to buy a Garmin Forerunner 965. I had afib but had an ablation a year ago and have not had any afib since then but it would have been nice if the 965 had the newer heart rate sensor and did ECG. Not sure if I should buy the 965 and take my old iwatch along to check for afib, buy a Garmin watch that has maps and does ECG or just buy the older Forerunner 955 for $200 less and upgrade it in a year or two with a nicer watch.
To make your choices harder . . . you might also consider a cycling computer for tracking cycling while wearing the Apple Watch. 🤷🏻♂️ But there are a few Garmin watches that have the ECG functionality. The Fenix Pro is amazing and also has a built in flashlight. That would be a fantastic option!
Thanks for getting back to me. I use a Garmin1030 plus cycling computer plus my Iwatch currently. The problem is the battery on the Iwatch dies after 8 hours when using gps and the cycling computer fails once or twice a year. Looking for the Forerunner 965 as replacement for Iwatch, thanks
That "RUN" on the 265 is what really drags down the looks of that watch compared to the previous gen or the 965. It would be fine if it was just engraved in the button, but its a bright neon color in nearly all 265 colorways.
100% agree. I still want to review it but I'm not sure what they were thinking. It's such an odd design choice for a watch that does a lot more than running. (and running is my favorite sport). Weird one. Thanks Romo!
@@HarryKuloh An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively. - definition from google. Running is simple, but that doesn’t take away from the fact it’s a sport. It exerts you, there are rules which can DQ you from events in running and rules which define various activities in running, and there is competition in who runs fastest. I don’t really see the point in your differentiation, let alone in a comment thread about tacky words on a sport watch button.
I agree that this watch should be 955+. I was thinking of buying it to replace 955 due to my poor eyesight (reading glasses 1.5), but i don't thing that it would improve blurring much. Additionally i am using engo 2 sunglassess and i have all the important metrics clearly on my sunglasses, although i am waiting fro pace pro fields to be implemented. So i decided to skip this version.
How do you like those Engo sunglasses? I just noticed an ad for them the other day. I've reviewed the Form swim goggles on this channel in the past and this seems similar in a lot of ways.
@@mlegrand I would give them 7/10. - nice style and face covering for the standard version i have. - mirror coating that makes it discreet and not allowing other people notice the projection mechanism - ghosting issues at low light conditions due to the mirror coating i guess. - missing the pace pro fields, very useful for pacing at a race. They are adding more fields which new software updates, so i believe the fields will be available in the next few months. - i was a serial watch glancer and i feel liberated now that i rarely glance at my watch since all the training metrics i care about are in-front of my eyes. - battery life not enough for ultra running and ironman but you can switch it of when you don't want it and save battery. Generally i believe it is worth buying.
Am really interested in the map feature on the 9 series but such a turn off for the unfriendly watch band changing..😆 Now I would really like this kind of cinematic video for 265 review too..🤩😅
Maybe I can try to get my hands on one over the next few weeks. 🤷♂️ It might be a while. 😬 As for the watch band, I don't know why they don't just use the quick release style. Those are super nice.
Anyone having extremely inconsistent calorie numbers from their 965? Yesterday it gave me 865 active calories on a rest day with no workout and only about 7000 steps
I haven't noticed anything weird but I also haven't been looking too closely. I think the thing to do would be wear two watches (one on each wrist) and compare numbers at the end of the day that way. Overall, I think calorie burning accuracy is pretty tricky to do well. I'm guessing all of these companies are using some formulas that end up being a best estimation of calories burned. 🤷♂️
Just started running again after long medical recovery…first marathon at Big Sur last weekend woo! I used my Apple Watch Ultra with the working outdoors app, but now thinking of going into short distance ultras and getting a Garmin. Thx for making your videos more relatable to new runners and sport enthusiasts! Love your vibe on relating pertinent information on your reviews! Other videos throw so many specs quickly in rapid progression, and I’m sure they do fine, but it makes me feel like I’m cramming for a test lol 😂 Your presentation is excellent 👍
Wow, thanks for the kind words Alan!!! I can see the benefits of both video styles. Huge congrats on the Big Sur marathon!!! That must have been amazing. Keep me posted on how the Ultra running is looking. 👌 BTW, did you see the @chasethesummit channel where Dave did a short Ultra (50k) with his AW Ultra? His channel is totally worth a follow.
Good Lord this is an amazingly well made video 😮 I have been using mine for over a month now coming from an Epix 2 and I have to say it is light and less bulky but with 1 hour GPS activity per day and gesture mode I get around 4-5 days… not impressed with the quality either, the button feel changes from stuck to loose all the time and makes me really worried about how long it will last…
Thanks for the kind words about the video! Great feedback about the buttons but something seems very wrong about your battery life. I'm doing a similar amount of GPS activity per day and getting more battery life, even with my very dump setting choices. If you're using that raise to wake setting, you should be getting a ton more batter life. Something sounds very off. I think I'd start by contacting Garmin. They'll probably want to review your settings but kind of sounds like a manufacturing defect or something going on. Keep me posted on what you figure out. 👍
ECG won't be happening with the 965/265 watches -- the extra electrical contact on the back of the watch to make it happen isn't there. 965 seems to me like a 955 2.0 release or even 945 3.0 rather than an all-new product.
Considering getting the 965; some appealing things include bigger AMOLED screen with higher resolution and easier to read fonts, battery life, maps, indoor and outdoor rowing and biking, hiking, stairs, HR, pO2, thinner case, morning report, and the many features which have been well reviewed. Am not a runner, rarely have access to a pool. I have zero desire to do emails on my watch, nor do I need a phone on my watch. Having weather and calendar is useful, though.
I’m a big fan of the 965. I really do think you’ll enjoy it. Let me know what you think of it if you end up with one. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
I have been a very satisfied owner of the FR965. Everything about it is superior on this new watch. Multi band GPS, better Optical HR, AMOLED display, battery life is still great (I get 2-3 weeks battery life with 30+ miles of running per week and 5 days/week strength training). I really like it.
@@danknica always on is NOT always on. Only when I rotate my wrist or touch the display does it turn on. It’s best like that for me and the battery life has been great thus far.
The problem of this watch is that; It doesn't have background color in data screen setting, like FR-955! It is only black background with white shining amoled font wich shines on to your eyes! I didn't have eyes comfortability and easy readability! That's why i sent the watch back.
OLED is a downgrade in my opinion. OLED in the sun will never be as good as the transflective display on the 955. On a dedicated outdoor watch I don't understand why no reviews mention that the sunlight performance will be worse then the 955. On top of that always on display makes the battery worse then the 955.
Yes. Correct. People should really consider that 955. They might even be able to get a deal on it now. The 965 display is fantastic . . . indoors. So maybe it depends on how much time you're really out there working out. 🤷🏻♂️ Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Nice! Yeah, it's a bigger screen for sure but it doesn't feel too bulky to me. My wife wore it for a run and she commented on it not feeling too big as well. 🤷♂️ Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Wow! Thank you! That is super nice of you to say and appreciate the forward. I am working on a Garmin Instinct 2X review next but don’t hesitate to reach out with any other topics you’d like me to explore in the future. Thanks Rahul!
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I upgraded to the 965 from the 955. I think the screen is a huge QOL improvement especially if you wear the watch all day and use it as a smartwatch and not just for workouts, it looks brilliant indoors. I also mainly train in the early mornings and evenings as it is freaking hot here in south east asia, and the AMOLED pops better than the backlight of the 955 in low light. However biggest downside is the curve screen, which makes it more susceptible to scratches and hunting for a screen protector (TPU) is a pain. The thinner watch compared to 955 is very noticeable though, it feels alot more nimble on the wrist. My previous 955 was the white version with the black plastic bezel, visually it looks more bulky and larger compared to a black 965 and slimmer titanium bezel, which is a plus too. Overall the battery tradeoff is worth it as a week of AOD with Amoled is crazy by industry standards, and a week is more than enough time to not annoy me to charge.
It is really great hearing your opinion being someone who’s had them both. I agree with you but also think the 955 might be a fantastic option for someone who’s main focus is outside direct sunlight activities. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
@@mlegrand how about open water swimming?
Which one would you recommend?
@@mlegrand Unfortunate Garmin is not further improving MIP / passive displays (reduce bezels & thickness). On the e-ink side there has been lot of improvements. But seems Garmin is going all in with AMOLED since that's what the mass market wants. I hope we still have choices next year (Fenix 8?) since AMOLED has downsides for me. E.g. alwaysOn outside shows as a black screen in bright conditions wasting battery. And not fan of inverted dark displays during the day.
I bought it and returned it. It felt cheap compared to the Epix 2. I get it's supposed to be lighter but I'm always worried I could Crack the screen.
@@mlegrand Got 955 and much better fit for my use case scenario. So clearly ymmv thing. MIP has lower contrast/saturation/res. but don't need that for map tracking. Also prefer white backgrounds in the data fields. The instinct works indoors/outdoors best but no maps isn't for everyone.
Mr. LeGrand, the quality of this video, the way you film things, the way you put them together in the final production process, the b-rolls, the close-ups, the slowmos....it is pure art. I admire your skills. Thx for what you do.
Wow, thank you so much for the kind words. I really do appreciate it. I'll keep working at it. 👍🏻
Agreed - they are, indeed, works of art - quality rises to the top!!
I agree with you Mateusz. His production quality is amazing 😎
Funny, I thought it was cheesy and completely unnecessary.
@@FoobsTon - I’m guessing there are a lot of people out there that would agree with you regarding my videos. 🤷🏻♂️ Thanks for watching and posting feedback either way. 👌
I love the Forerunner 965 its way better than what Samsung, Google pixel and Apple watch as to offer especially battery life. I don't have to keep charging basically every day, I know we all look for different things in a watch. But I'm okay with Garmin not turning there watches into a full blown phone. Simple is better...and I'm enjoying my 965 since I got it!!!
That is wonderful to hear Dorothy. I’m glad you’re enjoying this one. Keep me posted on how it holds up for you and thank you so much for posting your feedback here. 👍
One Good thing about NEW 965 is give you alot of option for good (Used) Garmin 955 deal on market.
Very good point! It'd be amazing to get a good deal on a 955 knowing it does everything the 965 does all with a slightly better battery. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment Ryan. I really appreciate it. 👍
Couldn’t agree more I’ve just picked up a FR955 solar for £360 with some discount
The channel is so underrated ,, The video quality and editing are all amazing 😅😅😅 keep it up
Wow, thank you so much for the kind words. It's nice to hear because often the comments section of these videos isn't always so positive. But I'll continue to post videos and I'll try to continue to improve. Thanks again Ahmad!
@@Hooty1112 - You’re welcome for making you second guess your decision. 😆 They are actually really close in pixel count. 410x502 pixels in the AWU and 416x416 pixels on the Garmin. (I think 🤔)
So pretty similar.
I watched this video and I dont think I have any questions left about this watch and overall quality of video is good too, keep doing good work man
Wow, thank you Aleksa! Keep me posted on which topics you’d like me to explore here on this channel in the future. 👌
Had the watch for 3 weeks now. Previous was a Garmin 6pro. At first it felt cheap because of the build vs the 6pro but after multiple runs and hikes in really enjoying the watch. Using maps under the dark canopy of trees has been great with bright screen.
It does have that lighter cheaper feel but it’s a great watch. Keep me posted on how you’re liking it long term. Thanks Tamon!!! 👌
Recently upgraded from the Fr 245music to Fr965 and couldn't be happier. I was afraid the size wohld be too big for my petite female wrists, but I love it. It has so many added metrics than the 245. I was tempted to get the Epix, but it didn't seem to add enough for thr steep price difference.
I think you'll really like this one. My wife used mine for about a month and she really liked the size. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Coming from a Fenix 6X pro, I got this one couple of weeks ago and it is fantastic. Almost 50g less make it really lightweight and screen is amazing especially under water. In two weeks I just recharged once, meaning AMOLED display does not drain battery at all.
Are you using 'raise to wake' or always on? I've been really impressed with this device's battery life. It probably isn't as long as your Fenix 6X but it's plenty good enough where you don't feel like you're constantly charging it. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
@@mlegrand I am using raise to wake up to date, but after watching your review I will give a chance to always on and compare the experience.
@@moisesprat - Let me know what you think. 👍
@@moisesprat do you like 965 more for reading underwater? 😁
@@adriant.7457 this watch does not include only run, but also a wide range of activities such as pool swim or even open water swim. While swimming, is quite useful to read the screen to check ur pace, distance etc… whilst this was barely visible in MIP-based screens, in this AMOLED is super clear.
Had the 965 for a few weeks now, coming from a Coros Apex that I had for 3yrs. I purchased this instead of the Apex2 and in hindsight I am glad I made the change. I was concerned about battery life since the Apex was amazing in that regard but the 965 screen is just *beauuutiful as well as the other features. I can get about 10 days before I get down to under 20% with the 965 with ~10+hrs of training a week and "raise to wake" mode. Pretty high learning curve going from Coros to Garmin (first Garmin device) but after a few days I was able to navigate with ease. Nested options with Garmin were not that intuitive and I had to keep going back to documentation/UA-cam a few times to figure things out.
One noticeable difference was the running power measurement between Coros Apex and the 965. They were both stable readings but the 965 reads about 40W higher than the Coros. I don't have a running pod so I'm not sure which one is "correct" but not sure if it matters if it is adjusted to yourself and takes stable readings. It took a week or so of running daily to figure out my new power zones for training and comparing previous Apex workouts to current 965 workouts to determine the correct translation so I could update TrainingPeaks. Big pluses for me are the built in HRV (previously I would do a single morning reading), maps!, high res screen, more accurate wrist HR (before I would ALWAYS have to wear a strap as the Apex would pick up my cadence 75% of the time instead of HR), and touch screen! Also, the 965 estimated my first treadmill run today within 0.1 miles (over a 5mi run) with fairly accurate pace changes from warmup to steady to cooldown - I would have to change these manually on the Apex while doing dreadmill workouts. Happy so far with no regrets.
Free 40 watts! 😂. Joking. But even a foot pod isn't going to give valid power data. Any of these devices are just giving their own estimation of power. They each use different math to come with force so I wouldn't stress too much about the exact number. (seems like you're not worried about it). It is frustrating for spots like training Peaks where it's trying to track progress. Thanks for checking out this video Brandon!
Cadence lock ALL THE FRIGGIN TIME is what drove me away from Coros after a year. Your summation is bang-on above, except I moved to 955 rather 965 - prefer the MIPS... But I have a Venu 2 for daily wear. Def appreciate an AMOLED, but for sports it's not my cuppa.
Another great video Matt LeGrand. I've been using the 965 for a month now having come from a 945. So far I like what I see with some things I don't think have improved.
Sleep tracking still sucks and still doesn't record daytime naps like many other trackers that are 1/6th of the price. I'll wake up feeling great and the watch says I had a poor sleep rating.
Also no ECG as you noted and it appears the hardware isn't included. Others have noted scratching on their lens so I have a protector however because of the curve it has to be flexible. So definitely not as protective as the ones I used for my 945.
I also think it's a little conservative on the suggested workouts. I am doing the Multisport Mixer on Zwift and have done it several times over the last couple years. If I followed the 965's recommended workouts I would hardly get any intense workouts.
Battery life has been great. I have 6 workouts on it this week and in 6 days am still at 42%. 4 indoor and 2 outdoor on GPS. Total of 6hrs.
Still glad I bought it but hope that future updates improve some of the things that I think are lacking.
Great feedback TJ! Glad it's working well enough for you. I like your suggestions. Even if you had to manually input a nap, it'd still be nice to have that contribute to recovery, body battery and training readiness. Maybe they'll update firmware with something like that some day. 🤷♂️
Hi. I finaly update from 235 to 965...Ordered it yesterday. I'm kind of exited what is becoming with that new Garmin. I have watched all your Garmin vids for many times and liked those a much, thanks! Greetings from Finland!
Thanks Antti Käyhty! I think you'll really like this one. Let me know what you think!
Just bought. I’ll let you know but the watch is really nice on the wrist and very well equipped from a tech standpoint. I think Garmin hit a home run with this FR965.
Nice! Yes, please keep me posted on what you think! Thanks John!
I see what you did there. Nice shout out to Ryan C. at the 18:11 mark. Great video as always. I realy like those easter eggs.👍
🤫 - I'm a huge fan of @Ryanclaytonfilms Nice work on finding this in here. I'll have to add something even more difficult to find in the next one. 😂
Nice catch!!!
Nice camera work. This vid is well done and I am sure took time to produce. Nice work!
Thank you so much for the kind words. Yes, my videos take a bit longer to produce but I enjoy that part of the process. 👌
Wow! Awesome video, great review. Really one of the best I've seen in its kind. Congrats! Stumbled upon it unboxing my new FR965 today. Coming from a FR255 which I'm using for just a year now, but just couldn't resist a great deal (€454)... 🙋🏽♂️From The Netherlands
Oh wow, I just visited Amsterdam. We had a great trip. Thank you so much for the kind words!
What a watch ot is! I had the 955 solar and was fearing the battery life wouldn't be as good but how wrong I was! The screen is beautiful, and I've used the watch for 1 week with multiple runs and still on 43 per cent 👌
Wow, that’s great! I think it’s really optimal for outdoor training. Thanks for posting this feedback 👌
So do own both 955 solar and 965?
@@adriant.7457 I owned the solar and upgraded to the 965. I think the battery seems better on the 965 than the 955 solar
Jon, I found the 955 solar brand new for $480. Would you say the 965 work the extra $120? Thanks
@@gregatkinson6650 100%. The screen makes it a perfect watch. The battery life is even better than the solar. Spend the money you won't regret it !
Just got to know your channel over this video.
Damn... I wish I knew it earlier. Love the quality of the videos and edit
Keep it up 💪
Thank you so much for the really kind words Luiz! Next up is a video about the Instinct 2X Solar and then maybe some bike stuff. Let me know if there's anything in particular you'd like me to explore here on the channel. 👍
hey@@mlegrand,
As a fellow triathlete, I think an honest review about:
1. what gadgets you use in your daily training
2. which of those bring most value and which not so much
Maybe a bit of a stretch, but something like "benefit for the dollar" gadget is also interesting. Like which ones are really worth it and the ones that are not so much
@@LuizSantana - Great suggestions!
I'd love to see Garmin integrate it all in a 975. ECG. Voice Assistant. The LTE paging and tracking feature from the 945 LTE, though not necessarily actual Apple-style voice calling. Maybe a bit more bezel reduction. The idea is a sport watch that dispenses with the need for Apple, Samsung and Google's polished but very proprietary and platform-specific smartwatches.
Me too. I wonder what the release cycling will be going forward with devices like the 975. Feels crazy to even type "975". I agree with you. They 'smart' watch features are what's lacking on these devices when compared to the Apple Watch. I think people are still at a point where they're picking a smart watch or a fitness/endurance watch. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
I went from the FR 910XT to the FR 965, suffice to say I'm very happy with the 12 years of improvements! It even tracks open water butterfly correctly! 😄 (The FR 910XT was a really good watch though!)
It's going to be hard to beat the value you got our of that 910!!! And can I ask why were you doing open water butterfly? 😂 Glad you're enjoying it. It's a great watch!
@@mlegrand Yeah, the 910 was amazing, and I do think the GPS accuracy was better on that watch (setting the butterfly aside) than many Garmin watches that followed, at least that is the impression I got from reading comments on DC Rainmakers blog and other places).
About the butterfly: I participated in an open water race where you swim 1000 meters butterfly last week! I know, it sounds crazy, right? That was my thought when I initially read about it, but it also got me fired up, this was a real challenge like no other. So I trained for a year and it went well! The race is part of Wörthersee Swim, it is a two day event in a lake in the Alps in Austria, absolute amazing location and fun event.
@@aetles Wow, every part of that sounds amazing except the 1000m butterfly part. 😂 But that's super cool that you trained specifically for this and it went well. Awesome job 🙌
Great video, so professional, Thank you so much.
You are very welcome Gabriel!
Yes I agree with your conclusion
965 is just 955 plus
It do not have any difference function than previous version
It better than previous version only look good but
It do not have any new function better than before
Thanks for checking this one out. It’s an interesting update from Garmin and it might be even more interesting to see what they do next. We’ll see.
💯! Agree with all of your observations here Matt. 9 months cycle, must be some disappointed 955 owners out there. Obviously AMOLED is the future and MIP will be niche, ultra event style watches. Garmin’s future probably looking a bit bleak with the stiff competition from Apple Watch Ultra at the high end and SE at the low end, as well as others. Shame because I’ve been a fan of Garmin for a long time but hard to deny attractions from an AW if you’re an iPhone user (God help Garmin if they let people use an Apple Watch with their iPad or MacBook, game over!) Great looking video as always, thanks again.
There's a LOT of people who would never buy Apple (like me).
I wear both an apple watch 6 and the garmin forerunner 245 24/7. I like the apple watch for what it is, but when I upgrade my garmin, it will certainly be a 955 or fenix 7. I don't want an amoled screen on my sports watch, and the flashy UI on the 965 is way too much for me. Especially in the evenings.
Thanks so much Carlos! I think Apple still needs to put a big effort into fitness tracking but I could see it happening. I know the AWU has put a dent in Garmin's highend outdoor fitness watches. I can't remember but it was something crazy like a 20% drop? 🤷♂️ But it's got to hurt Apple knowing that their watch requires an iPhone and that's only 30% market share world wide. 😬 It just limits their options. Maybe they'll surprise us all and announce something big this fall.
Android phone users would still go with Garmin, not AW. Android has 50% percent of the world phone market.
Please make a comparison between Garmin 965 v Apple Watch Ultra 🙏 your video is on fire as always 🔥🔥🔥
Thank you so much for the kind words!!! I really appreciate it. I don’t have any plans to make a comparison between the 965 in the Ultra but that would be a cool video.
Thanks Matt, great review 👍
Next suunto vertical?
I've reached out to Suunto a few times and have never heard anything back. 🦗 I have an Instinct 2X to review and then I'd love to compare a few of the high end bike computers. Then a few product announcements. There's so many videos that I want to make but it's hard when you can realistically only make one per week. Good problems I guess. Thanks Jon!
So beautiful video. I got my 965 yesterday, and mine is not as fast as the one on the video at all. Especially with maps... it takes up to 7 sec to load a new map area after zooming/panning😢
Thanks for the kind words about the video. The 965 I have here is just a stock normal version of the device. Yours should work just as fast. Typically my first click or touch might be slow but after that it speeds up. It might be worth checking with Garmin to see if yours is having an issue. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
@@mlegrand I updated the maps and it looks like it works better now🙂
Been thinking about getting this just recently, but I think I'm going to hold out till the new version comes out with some of the last possible QOL changes you mentioned.
That would be amazing. I say make whatever you have last as long as possible. Get your money’s worth out of it. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Upgrading from a 255 to the 965 to get a touch screen. My other watch is an Apple Watch Ultra. I use the Ultra when I want the cellular function.
Nice! I use the AWU on my other wrist frequently. It's an interesting comparison to the 965. I will say that that 255 was a great option for the price. Great option for people. Someone probably got a great deal if you sold it used.
You guys end up liking the 965 better? I have a AW7 but debating going to a 965
Beautiful video Matt. I don't need this watch but I enjoyed the video
I just watched your video on the VIC which was amazing. Such a beautiful space. Great work on that one!!!
The Apple Watch Ultra definitely has a better heart rate tracker than Garmin as of right now.
I've worn the AWU and a Garmin and compared the data to a ECG style HRM many many times while swimming, biking and running. I wouldn't make the statement above ☝️. Modern Garmin watches and modern Apple watches both seem to track heart rate really really well. It'd be hard to declare a winner in my opinion. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
hey matt, just a quick question. is 965 still relevant today after Fenix 8 ? thanks in advance, amazing work.
I think so. I imagine that the future 965 (or 975) will get speakers and mics maybe but I have no idea. But for now, I think the 965 is still a fantastic option. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
@@mlegrand thanks for such a quick response. i always love when a UA-camr share his views in the comment section too.
Im considering getting one of these when I'm ready for my next watch but I'm worried about banging it around, I'm always hitting my watch on something at work.
It might be worth seeing if you can find a cheap watch lens cover. I've actually had really good luck with them in the past. In fact, I had a big scratch on a 935 and the lens cover actually filled in the scratch and made it look better than new. I've been wearing this without any sort of protection and so far it's been fine. 👍
So question is one year later. Is it still worth it? I wish Apple Watches could have better battery life. With the new updates coming to it I wouldn’t have to consider switching yet but the battery life of my SE 2nd gen is not even a day worth at this point …
The 965 is an awesome watch but I do think there are many things you’ll miss from your Apple Watch. They’re just smarter smart watches. Tricky call. You could always wait and see what Apple is up to this fall. 🤷🏻♂️
@@mlegrand I think you got a point. I do not have any high hopes but if Apple end up making an Ultra with considerable better battery life I would beat myself up over not waiting for it, so I think I will try to stay patient.
I just upgraded from the 945 to the 965. While I never minded MIP screen on the 945 and the older watches I've had, it would be very hard to go back to that type of screen after using the AMOLED screen on the 965.
Yeah, it's a big difference. I think it's the sharpness of the screen that is so remarkable. I do actually go back and forth with watches like the Garmin Enduro 2 (MIPs display) and I've been ok with the lack of sharpness. The extra battery life can really be helpful in some situations. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Just got the 965, and I mostly like it, but the sleep tracking is still dreadful. It's really a shame that Garmin still hasn't improved it.
Here’s the funny thing about that, even the most expensive sleep tracking devices are only about 70% accurate. So it’s hard to compare these devices to a known good option to show what’s ‘good’ vs ‘bad’. I also like the 965. Hopefully it ends up being a great option for you long term. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
@@mlegrand Yes, I hear ya. The most frustrating part for me with the sleep is that other metrics rely on that data to be accurate as well. The biggest one is the Training Readiness. Mine always says I'm not ready to train because of "poor sleep" even though I know I slept just fine. Of course, I can easily ignore this, but it's still annoying that it is not accurate. I've heard those ring devices are more accurate because they are less likely to shift during sleep. It would be nice if Garmin had a ring that you could wear to sleep that would connect to the app and give you better feedback. I also just don't like the feeling of having a watch on when I sleep. For now, I will just have to forego sleeping with it.
Geat video thanks. I have been looking at the 965 and also feel more like a 955 PRO. Like you also said they could have waited a bit and add some of those new features to make it really a version bump. I have seen rumours of possibly a new version of the EPIC with a new OHRM. If they are true , wondering why they did not wait for it. Any way looks like the display and smaller bezel are a welcom feature.On the good side, using the same hardware as the 955 make iit benefit from all the bug fix already done.
I’ve seen those rumors also. It’ll be very interesting to see what Garmin does next and what they could have done with this 965. 🤷🏻♂️
Can someone tell me how acurate the optical HR on this watch ?I have 945 and it does not measure acurate at all,especially in humid and rainy weather.
Humid and rainy weather shouldn't effect the HR accuracy. I would suggest trying to wear your watch one to two notches tighter when running than when wearing around every day. But the optical heart rate sensors do better or worse for a variety of reasons: activity type, skin color and wrist shape for example. Try to push the watch up a little bit away from your wrist joint as well.
The 965's optical heart rate sensor shouldn't be massively better than the 945. But again, that'll depend on a lot of factors. (some led light colors penetrate different skin tones better than others)
Hi Matt. Last time I commented here was on Grit X review. Nice video and effects. Can you provide some battery comparison between FR955 vs 965 with display turned on on gesture...with your usual activites. What is the difference in days for your normal usage, if you haven't used it only with always on display? BTW, FR265 button...after all it is ForeRUNner series:)
Thanks for dropping back by the channel Cuba1hr! I'm still here making videos! 😀
My 955 non solar battery experience has been about 2 weeks where as the 965 tends to be anywhere from 6-8 days for me. Maybe the Fore'Run'ner title also needs an update. 🤷♂️ These watches are really solid triathlon options these days. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Still think the forerunner 255 currently is just a winner in terms of price and what u get.
I agree. $500 is amazing. Garmin made a better device at a lower price during an inflationary period. 👏
Great quality review as always. I am really undecided on a garmin watchand overwhelmed by the options, they all seem to be multisport and I would be mainly using it for biking. Any suggestions on the best one? Happy to go with or without maps.
Without maps, you might consider the 255 non-music. It's a fantastic option at a great price. Adding maps bumps you way up in price. The 955 is $500 but you might be able to find a deal on it now that this 965 is out. The MIP transflective displays are going to be easier to ready outside in direct sunlight. But when you're off the bike, these AMOLED screens are nice.
Oh, also the Garmin Instinct 2 or 2X Solar. Forever battery life if you're ok with the look and the monochrome display. 👌🏻 (Video coming up soon on the 2X)
@@mlegrand Awesome, thanks Matt, great advice.
Great video! super qualitative! I had the 945 lte and upgraded to the 965 (I wanted touch and managed to get it cheaper than a 955) and I agree with you, regarding graphics, sometimes I feel it is too much. But other than that, it very nice to read outdoors. Also super confortable and stable, very pleased with it.
Yeah, there’s a lot to like here. But how on earth did you get such a good deal on it? 😆 These are hard to come by, even at full price.
Andre, do you swim?
One of the big differences between the 965 and the 265 is mapping - but you can easily add maps to the 265 with an app like Mappily for not very much money. Might be worth a look if you're on the fence about which to go for.
Awesome suggestion. I actually haven’t reviewed the 265 on this channel yet. I was going to snag one and try to review it here in the next 4-6 weeks. I’ll give the maps app a try. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
I using 965 for last one week it’s an excellent watch except that it does not count day time nap
It seems like a simple thing Garmin could add. It could even be manually entered. It’d be great and I’d need to test it a lot. So that’d mean lots of naps. Come on Garmin!!!
Decided on the 955 because I’m in direct sunlight a lot. I don’t like the gesture mode either. It’s a choice and I’m used to my 935. Just needed newer tech for the mapping etc.
Nice, I think you’ll really enjoy this one. Let me know. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Maybe I'm old school but those AMOLED Garmins now look like all the other generic smartwatches out there. And having to deal with constant dimming and turning your wrist to see stats under the bright sun is a huge step backwards. Hopefully they'll continue making MIP watches...
I think it'd be smart to keep MIPS around and just make it for the extreme battery devices. So options for both preferences. Those transflective displays are solid outdoors which is kind of what these watches are designed for in the first place. 🤷🏻♂️ Thanks ToroDron!
I have a question. I usually run outdoor, Swim indoor and bike indoor. I considering garmin 965 or instinct 2x. Which one u recomend? Thank u
I have both and I think I'd gravitate towards the 965 for those activities. The display on the 965 is significantly better. Keep me posted on what you end up with and how you like it.
From all the Garmin watches .. which is the one that has the best gps accuracy? (Want to use it for cycling)
It's hard to distinguish between all of the newer ones with multi-band GPS. I'd have a look at the Garmin Enduro 2 or the new Fenix 7 Pro. I also have some videos about cycling computers here on this channel that might be worth checking out: ua-cam.com/video/3lxRyJOwcJY/v-deo.html
Thanks for watching and keep me posted on what you end up with and how you like it. 👌🏻
Hi there!
I also have a Garmin 245 and I’m thinking of changing for this 965. But I have a question that I think you can help: wile on hiking ou trail running can I see de elevation gain? When I start the watch can I see the elevation gain from zero on the screen? Or just in the final os the track when I connect to my phone?
Thank you very much.
You can see elevation gain on the device while hiking or trail running. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
3:40 you are not alone 😂
My mind wonders soooo quickly.
I own this along with the epix(2). I agree the colors are a little oversaturated for me for regular use, but on runs it is really nice (especially if visually impaired)
I think it's the overuse of images that bugs me a tiny little bit. I'd just suggest trying to make it really clear and easy for people to read. Functional over fancy. The higher resolution is awesome but I have this gut feeling that these design choices are going to look dated after a few years. Thanks Erik!
@@mlegrand I'll be interested to see the rumored "epix pro" which sounds like the 965 with more rugged bezels.
I think the main difference barring what you’ve highlighted is that the 965 will likely get updates for longer than the 955 in future?..:-).:
That would be my guess but I really really hope that Garmin considers the 955 with all of it's updates. That timeline between the two was just too short.
@@mlegrand Fully agreed, let’s see how it plays out..There are so many new watch models out one is expected to just move on to the next generation faster than before, at least that is how it feels, a negative of the information age.
@@seligseligabc123 - I feel slightly responsible for being part of that. 🤦♂
MOUNTAIN BIKING-best watch for accurate physio(heart rate, training level, readiness, sleep, O2, etc.) GPS accuracy, etc.? Thank you!
I would look at the new Garmin Epix Pro: ua-cam.com/video/xeshw90uowo/v-deo.html or Fenix Pro: ua-cam.com/video/xeshw90uowo/v-deo.html
Considering the 965 as a lighter addition to my Fenix 7X Sapphire Solar. Is the 965 Ultra worthy? Is it worth the addition in your opinion? Thanks!
Well if you have the 7X then you’re full covered on all the functionality that you could get from the 965 but I do think you’d enjoy having both and being able to switch to this lighter weight option. I also think you’d like the big bright display. Let me know what you end up doing and how you like it. Thanks! 👌
How accurate is the GPS in open water? I have the FR 935 and it is so bad..
I'd say it's very good but not perfect. Here's a test where I have one watch (255) on top of a swim buoy so that it's as accurate as possible and then I'm testing two other watches on each wrist: analyze.dcrainmaker.com/#/public/137b0ed5-765a-4e89-5bca-505a17472284 Have a look at the bottom where the open water GPS tracks are mapped. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Man you editing is off the wall. Wow.
Wow, thank you so much for saying that. It really does mean a lot to me. I'll keep working on it. 👌
Hi .. nice review 👍 Just quick question.. Can we have 7 days training load on the watchface ? I get used to have it ;)
I don't see it as an easy option with this standard watchface. But you can download tons of other watch face options from ConnectIQ. I'm sure you can find a watchface that has training load or acute training load. 👌🏻
my 965 is one of the watches i regret buying, great watch but way way to fragile, if you only use it when you workout good but as an every day watch it looks beat up fast, never had that problem with my epix or fenix watches. yeah its more compact lighter but i would not buy it again
Did you end up with screen damage? My 965 is doing ok but my 265 has a small scratch in the middle of the display. I have had really good luck with screen protectors that slap on there and hide the scratch. amzn.to/3uprVSa
@@mlegrand it looks like most apple watches look after a year marks and scratches all around i thought my epix with the silver bezel would be way more prone to show the wear than the 965 but nah.
I know it is a sport watch supreme vs the apple ultra, but they really need to add in the ecg reading and possibly a mic/speaker to connect to an android phone. At some point, the apple ultra will be able to do much better sports functions, which they have been improving, and really start to take market share away from garmin.
I agree. I will be watching what Apple does closely. It'll be very interesting to see what improvements Watch OS 10 has with regards to sports and fitness. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
@Joe - I agree, although I wish Apple would copy the buttons, then they will succeed.
@@The_running_tech_guy - That would be amazing!!!
Does anyone know if the options for watch faces are the same across the three versions (yellow band, black band, white band)? I like the white band version of the 965 but much prefer the colours of the default watch face of the yellow band version. Are they interchangeable?
Often times Garmin will have specific watch faces for each device but they do have the same watch face options within each device type. So each color will have the same watch face options as the other colors of the 965.
@@mlegrand Cool, thanks.
What would you choose between 955 and 965 for open water swimming? 🌊
Thanks you! 🙇♂️
Ok this is a weird answer but the 965 is a bit more visible under water and the 955 is a better option if you take a break and are looking at the watch above water. I'd probably go with the 965 because it's screen is a bit larger and sharper but it'd depend on what else you're up to. Let me know what you end up with and how you like it. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Finally jumped back from polar to garmin for this watch. From Vantage v2 to the 965. Feels like a new generation of watch, I only wish the in built heart rate sensor was as good as the polar precision prime. Apart from that 👍
Very interesting. I never thought you'd switch away from Polar. I wonder when Polar is going to launch something new. Seems like the Vantage V3 should be coming out soon? 🤷♂️ Keep me posted on what you think of this one once you've had it for a bit. Thanks!
@@mlegrand I try not to be too brand specific but the polar UI and bezel seem very dated. I will be keeping a sharp eye on the V3 news in the fall!
I’ll keep you posted on how I get on. Great video again Matt!
hi, what about jumping from FR 945 which I love , but 965 is f....n awesome !!!
I love the 945 also. I think the 966 would be a very nice upgrade but if your 945 is still functioning well, you might want to max out the value. 🤷🏻♂️ Keep me posted on what you do!
Which smart watch you are wearing in your hand 😊
On my right arm is an Apple Watch Ultra. My left is a Garmin Instinct 2X. (I should have a review out next week, hopefully 🤞) And then in my hand was the FR 965. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
@@mlegrand I like your videos and I will waiting for you next week 💚
Totally over touch screen watches. Would be nice to see some new Garmin pedals..
Well, prepare to be disappointed. I haven't seen any new Garmin pedal rumors but there seems to be lots of talk about new watches. My guess would be touchscreens. 🤷♂️
Nice review! Still a bug i am getting on my garmin forerunner 955... When I go cycling and watch the after report it shows altitude meters way more than i actually did when i compare it to my garmin cycling computer. Any advice or tips to get it fixed?
For example garmin computer indicates 60m elevation and the watch shows it was 235m...
You should be able to calibrate the altimeter and you can see if that helps. (I have my doubts) I would double check the temperature to see if that looks correct on the watch. If the digital thermometer isn't working it'll effect the altitude which is a common issue. You could also check the Garmin forums to see if it's a known issues. Otherwise you could check in with Garmin and see if they have any ideas. Sorry you're having issues Kevin. Let me know if you figure anything out.
@@mlegrand Thanks for the reply! Do you have maybe an idea how I have to put my sensors and accecoires. For example do I have to put altimeter and barometer on altitude? Or both on auto?
@@kevin_heylen8785 - I suggest auto calibrate and sensor mode auto for both altimeter and barometer. And I'd calibrate both. I'd also have a look at the temperature data because if that's off, it's likely a broken sensor which used to be a common issue with previous 900 series devices. Best of luck!
@@mlegrand Many thanks for the quick replies the temperature is dot on only there is a red exclamation mark before the weather widget but when i open it it's updated untill that minute with the correct temperature :)
Deezer hahaha not even mentioned Tidal which is probably the one with the best audio ;)
I really only use Spotify. You're saying Tidal is the best? I'll have to check it out. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Honestly as someone with a fresh look at the Garmin products (I just started preping for my first iron man). I was disappointed in the software that Garmin uses. I am not only talking about the watches but also the bike computers for instance. It just feels like I am using a technology from 10 or 15 years ago... And the interface 😩 in my opinion is just a joke. It feels like a Gameboy interface... Garmin if you are reading this you really need to step it up.
Sadly, I doubt Garmin is reading my comments section but I’ll pass it along to them. And I can see what you mean. It feels a bit analog or like we’re living pre smart phone days. But I think if you start using these for IM training you’ll appreciate it. It’s a better simple system for doing the real work that you’re going to be doing. The smart phone style devices get frustrating under adverse conditions. Let me know as you what you think! 👍
@@mlegrand not sure if one should exclude the other... And considering the amount of money we are paying for their devices I would sure appreciate a bit more effort from Garim on the interface. Definitely when speaking about the navigation on the bike computer... And the fact that there is no ECG on the watch for so much money. I mean come it's a no brainer. But hay there luckily also other brands and apple sure is stepping up their game. Maybe Garmin will become the blackbarry of the fitness industry... I wouldn't be surprised.
@@AAA-ee6zo - I agree. The blackberry of sports tech is a real possibility. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Great video. You can now pick up a used 955 Solar for about 1/2 price. $450 -$500 Canadian. Vs $902 for 965 & $915 for 955 solar. Huge discounts!!!
Wow, that’s huge!!! Thanks for sharing this!
There is no way to get 23 days. Mine, 965, in smartwatch mode, without doing activities, no always on display and with the lowest brightness mode made like 13 days. So pretty far from those 23 hours.
I’ve only been using it in always on display mode but Garmin is typically pretty good with their estimates. Anything else going on? Pulse Ox? Music? How much GPS usage?
Hi Matt, a lot of runners and triathletes are training and also pacing their races based on power now rate rather than pace min/mile. I guess it makes sense if you are running up and down hill what pace do you run up the hill if you want to average 5:00 mile pace and heart rate stays high when you back off so isn’t the best guide either. I was wondering how apple ultra, Stryd and Garmin compare if we want to do running intervals at a power level or pace a race at a power level. Hoping you can do a review on this. Please let me know if you have covered this already.
I haven’t tested the Stryd footpod in a really long time but the Apple Watch tends to record a much lower number than Garmin.
Hey matt, how accurate is the garmin 965 in open water swim? Thanks
It's pretty good. I have a standard 1k route where I test watches and compare results. I've tested about 20-30 watches and the 965 is probably in the top 5 or so. It's good.
965 has the same garbage sensors which measure totally incorrect HR. Even cheap Huawei can do it almost perfectly. It also shows you incorrect data of your sleep. And it means that almost ALL metrics they show you are literally a lie. Though it shows you quite precise tempo and directions😂
I’ve had pretty good results from the HR sensor. Two tips, wear the watch snug and push it up away from the bony part of your wrists. I think it’s best to compare it to a chest hr strap data connected to an additional watch.
Interesting video. The 965 has made the 955 an absolute bargain. I have seen it as low as £343 here in the UK. For an excellent running watch with maps that's a steal. Are they still making the 955?
Yes, my understanding is that they're still making the 955. 100% agree. Great deal right now. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
I have been a happy owner of FR965 since it became available in April. Sleep and activity tracking work wonderfully. Optical heart rate is reliable and works well in the water as well if I tighten the wristband enough. The oxygen saturation measurement seems unreliable but it doesn't bother me since I don't use it. The watch is pleasantly light to wear and being thinner than the 955 is a really nice feature. I get about 13-14 days of battery life in gesture mode with no GPS or music, but with about an hour of some kind of workout every day.
Nice! I don't really use the oxygen saturation feature either. Glad you're seeing good data in the water. Swimming is a very tricky activity to get solid heart rate readings. Thanks Kristjan!
Hey, Kristian,
Did you have any other Garmin watch before the 965?
I'm curious to see your opinion on the readability while swimming.
Thank you!
@@adriant.7457 In fact this is the first Garmin watch for me. Before that I have used a Suunto heart rate belt to measure heart rate while swimming
Thanks for info, why would you say oxygen is unreliable? Did you actually verified it with pulse oximeter?
I'm a hater.
I hate the domed, curved display. The display should be recessed slightly and completely flat.
I hate the extra glare.
I hate watch displays that don't stay on.
I hate that Garmin does not have a fully-featured watch that's not gigantic or crippled in some way (no, the 255sand its silly 1.1" display does not cut it)
I don't hate your reviews however :P
Best comment ever.
Fenix 7s base tics a lot of those boxes, if you're a MIPS Kinda guy. Literally the only thing I would change is it could be thinner. The screen is fantastic outdoors and I don't really need the higher resolution with my questionable eyesight.. being what it is.
I gave my 955 to a young runner I’m mentoring.
I ordered the 965 this weekend. I should have by Tuesday! The screen is amazing for my 50 year old eyes.
My wife also struggles to see and she has stolen this watch from me and really enjoyed the sharp bright AMOLED screen. I think you’ll really enjoy it. Keep me posted on what you think. 👌
Other than DC Rainmaker and DesFit, you’re the only watch reviewer I trust.
Those are two great guys that I trust also. Dave from Chase the Summit is awesome also. There's a lot of good reviewers and I'm just happy to be among them. It's fun because we all have our own take and slightly different opinions on these watches. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Good lord - you videos are so good! You are a true artist in this realm! No idea how you do it all. Well done!
Ha! - the 18 months of work I put into this single video is all worth it for this one comment. 😆
Just joking, but seriously, thank you. Means a lot coming from another creator. 👍
@@mlegrand haha I can no longer call myself that, having seen your videos. "Dabbler" maybe.
965 downgrade from 955
You think? Battery life is less for sure. Also MIP displays look better in direct sunlight. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Just changed to 965 from Enduro 2 for the screen and the battery life is plenty enough for me. Does exactly what I want from a Garmin and the screen is just amazing.
Yeah, it's a beautiful screen. Are you keeping the Enduro 2 just for those time when you want crazy battery life? I still wear my Enduro 2 pretty frequently. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Don’t need the battery life but do need the brighter, clearer screen so sold it
in terms of other stuff, which was better for you?
Amazing video, review and video quality.
I really appreciate the efforts you put in making these reviews.
Thanks so much! I appreciate you watching all of these and commenting. Your channel is amazing BTW. Keep up the good work over there!!! 👌
For me it is just a new version and no new watch. If I would buy now a new watch, I would go for the 955. Battery is the most important and I prefer the minimalist style of display and not the kindergarten one.
Same for me, I was able to get a great deal on 955 and bought one last week. I don't want something that emits light / draws attention to my wrist but I still want an always on display so the MIP screen is much better and subtle for me. Also the increased diameter of the 965 is too much for me, 955 size is just right. And the functionality is the same :)
I have this gut feeling that we might look back on some of these design decisions and grimace a bit in a few years. We'll see. I think if I were truly looking for the most functional watch while training for an Ironman, the 955 might be a better option than the 965. But I do like the sharper display on this device.
@@mlegrand I hope in the future they will give both options to buy. And maybe MIP get's a bit sharper. Coming from the Fitbit Ionic, I enjoy the non flashy display 😬 At the end I need every bit hour of battery to cover those 600+ bike rides and Ultra runs.
@@mlegrand We probably will! For sure the sharp display has its benefits, especially with maps as you pointed out in the video. But of course it's different for everyone which aspects are most important :)
I cycle over 8,000 miles per year and have been using my iwatch as my sport watch but the gps does not last long enough ( around 8 hours) on long bicycle rides and it does not have maps. So was looking to buy a Garmin Forerunner 965. I had afib but had an ablation a year ago and have not had any afib since then but it would have been nice if the 965 had the newer heart rate sensor and did ECG. Not sure if I should buy the 965 and take my old iwatch along to check for afib, buy a Garmin watch that has maps and does ECG or just buy the older Forerunner 955 for $200 less and upgrade it in a year or two with a nicer watch.
To make your choices harder . . . you might also consider a cycling computer for tracking cycling while wearing the Apple Watch. 🤷🏻♂️ But there are a few Garmin watches that have the ECG functionality. The Fenix Pro is amazing and also has a built in flashlight. That would be a fantastic option!
Thanks for getting back to me. I use a Garmin1030 plus cycling computer plus my Iwatch currently. The problem is the battery on the Iwatch dies after 8 hours when using gps and the cycling computer fails once or twice a year. Looking for the Forerunner 965 as replacement for Iwatch, thanks
That "RUN" on the 265 is what really drags down the looks of that watch compared to the previous gen or the 965. It would be fine if it was just engraved in the button, but its a bright neon color in nearly all 265 colorways.
100% agree. I still want to review it but I'm not sure what they were thinking. It's such an odd design choice for a watch that does a lot more than running. (and running is my favorite sport). Weird one. Thanks Romo!
@@mlegrandrunning is your favorite activity*, not sport
@@HarryKuloh An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively. - definition from google.
Running is simple, but that doesn’t take away from the fact it’s a sport. It exerts you, there are rules which can DQ you from events in running and rules which define various activities in running, and there is competition in who runs fastest.
I don’t really see the point in your differentiation, let alone in a comment thread about tacky words on a sport watch button.
I agree that this watch should be 955+.
I was thinking of buying it to replace 955 due to my poor eyesight (reading glasses 1.5), but i don't thing that it would improve blurring much. Additionally i am using engo 2 sunglassess and i have all the important metrics clearly on my sunglasses, although i am waiting fro pace pro fields to be implemented.
So i decided to skip this version.
How do you like those Engo sunglasses? I just noticed an ad for them the other day. I've reviewed the Form swim goggles on this channel in the past and this seems similar in a lot of ways.
@@mlegrand I would give them 7/10.
- nice style and face covering for the standard version i have.
- mirror coating that makes it discreet and not allowing other people notice the projection mechanism
- ghosting issues at low light conditions due to the mirror coating i guess.
- missing the pace pro fields, very useful for pacing at a race. They are adding more fields which new software updates, so i believe the fields will be available in the next few months.
- i was a serial watch glancer and i feel liberated now that i rarely glance at my watch since all the training metrics i care about are in-front of my eyes.
- battery life not enough for ultra running and ironman but you can switch it of when you don't want it and save battery.
Generally i believe it is worth buying.
You would be surprised. Give a chance to this watch. Try it at some local stores. The display is amazing.
Am really interested in the map feature on the 9 series but such a turn off for the unfriendly watch band changing..😆
Now I would really like this kind of cinematic video for 265 review too..🤩😅
Maybe I can try to get my hands on one over the next few weeks. 🤷♂️ It might be a while. 😬
As for the watch band, I don't know why they don't just use the quick release style. Those are super nice.
Anyone having extremely inconsistent calorie numbers from their 965? Yesterday it gave me 865 active calories on a rest day with no workout and only about 7000 steps
I haven't noticed anything weird but I also haven't been looking too closely. I think the thing to do would be wear two watches (one on each wrist) and compare numbers at the end of the day that way. Overall, I think calorie burning accuracy is pretty tricky to do well. I'm guessing all of these companies are using some formulas that end up being a best estimation of calories burned. 🤷♂️
Just started running again after long medical recovery…first marathon at Big Sur last weekend woo! I used my Apple Watch Ultra with the working outdoors app, but now thinking of going into short distance ultras and getting a Garmin. Thx for making your videos more relatable to new runners and sport enthusiasts! Love your vibe on relating pertinent information on your reviews! Other videos throw so many specs quickly in rapid progression, and I’m sure they do fine, but it makes me feel like I’m cramming for a test lol 😂 Your presentation is excellent 👍
Wow, thanks for the kind words Alan!!! I can see the benefits of both video styles.
Huge congrats on the Big Sur marathon!!! That must have been amazing. Keep me posted on how the Ultra running is looking. 👌 BTW, did you see the @chasethesummit channel where Dave did a short Ultra (50k) with his AW Ultra? His channel is totally worth a follow.
Good Lord this is an amazingly well made video 😮 I have been using mine for over a month now coming from an Epix 2 and I have to say it is light and less bulky but with 1 hour GPS activity per day and gesture mode I get around 4-5 days… not impressed with the quality either, the button feel changes from stuck to loose all the time and makes me really worried about how long it will last…
Thanks for the kind words about the video! Great feedback about the buttons but something seems very wrong about your battery life. I'm doing a similar amount of GPS activity per day and getting more battery life, even with my very dump setting choices. If you're using that raise to wake setting, you should be getting a ton more batter life. Something sounds very off. I think I'd start by contacting Garmin. They'll probably want to review your settings but kind of sounds like a manufacturing defect or something going on. Keep me posted on what you figure out. 👍
@@mlegrand will surely do!!! Keep it up with the great content!! We appreciate it☺️
@@eleftheriazigiri8403 Did you not like the Epix 2? Wondering about both the Epix and 965 right now.
ECG won't be happening with the 965/265 watches -- the extra electrical contact on the back of the watch to make it happen isn't there. 965 seems to me like a 955 2.0 release or even 945 3.0 rather than an all-new product.
I agree. It seems like they could have waited with this one. 🤷♂️ Either way I'm sure that people are buying. It's a solid option.
Considering getting the 965; some appealing things include bigger AMOLED screen with higher resolution and easier to read fonts, battery life, maps, indoor and outdoor rowing and biking, hiking, stairs, HR, pO2, thinner case, morning report, and the many features which have been well reviewed. Am not a runner, rarely have access to a pool.
I have zero desire to do emails on my watch, nor do I need a phone on my watch. Having weather and calendar is useful, though.
I’m a big fan of the 965. I really do think you’ll enjoy it. Let me know what you think of it if you end up with one. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
I have been a very satisfied owner of the FR965. Everything about it is superior on this new watch. Multi band GPS, better Optical HR, AMOLED display, battery life is still great (I get 2-3 weeks battery life with 30+ miles of running per week and 5 days/week strength training). I really like it.
Nice! Glad this is working for you! Thanks Jordi!
Do you leave the always-on display on? Sounds like the amount of time you stated it would have to be.
@@danknica always on is NOT always on. Only when I rotate my wrist or touch the display does it turn on. It’s best like that for me and the battery life has been great thus far.
The problem of this watch is that; It doesn't have background color in data screen setting, like FR-955! It is only black background with white shining amoled font wich shines on to your eyes! I didn't have eyes comfortability and easy readability! That's why i sent the watch back.
Good feedback for people to know. Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
I know I've said this before, but your work here is really amazing man. Congrats again.
Thank you so much Mario! I really do appreciate it.
OLED is a downgrade in my opinion. OLED in the sun will never be as good as the transflective display on the 955. On a dedicated outdoor watch I don't understand why no reviews mention that the sunlight performance will be worse then the 955. On top of that always on display makes the battery worse then the 955.
Yes. Correct. People should really consider that 955. They might even be able to get a deal on it now. The 965 display is fantastic . . . indoors. So maybe it depends on how much time you're really out there working out. 🤷🏻♂️ Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
@@mlegrand thanks for the video!
Top notch review trust your expertise on these things. Thank you
Thanks so much Trent! I really appreciate you watching and taking the extra time to comment. 👍
I'm a Big Boy and I Love this is a Big man's Watch❤
Nice! Yeah, it's a bigger screen for sure but it doesn't feel too bulky to me. My wife wore it for a run and she commented on it not feeling too big as well. 🤷♂️ Thank you for watching and taking the extra time to comment. I really appreciate it. 👍
Wow! This is an amazing video. Impressive.
Thanks! Keep me posted on any topics you might be interested in seeing explored here on this channel. 👍
Wow. How good are your videos 😍 A visual experience. Thanks. Subscribed.
Also forwarding this to my fitness group
Wow! Thank you! That is super nice of you to say and appreciate the forward. I am working on a Garmin Instinct 2X review next but don’t hesitate to reach out with any other topics you’d like me to explore in the future. Thanks Rahul!