Some things to note: I cannot 100% confirm that his snakes were being kept illegally. Initially that's what reports were saying, but after looking up the exotic pet code of the city he was in, it appears that there is nothing about venomous snakes, so that may be a false report. His snakes were all taken into custody (along with a house cat or two) and they were euthanized by the state. His reckless actions had immediate consequences to his animals. He had no bite protocol or plan in case he was bitten, and had no antivenom (or any idea of where to even find antivenom) I didn't want to make this video for a while, but decided it was necessary. We need to distance ourselves from the irresponsible people that ruin things for the rest of us. Let this be a lesson - these animals are no joke and should only be handled by people that know what they're doing. A new report states that Jeff didn't initially even tell EMS that it was his taipan that bit him, they didn't get told until hours later. This video was filmed on 9/09/24, no information past that date is discussed.
Love seeing these snakes but would never think of keeping one. Even worse trying to free hand something so dangerous is unreal. He sounds like people I have come across before and he sounds like the type of person that can bring a hobby like this down.
I mean I can see it as breeding efforts, and to be able to get antivenom, or just to study them. other than that? No clue why you would want them! In this case it seems to be education but that other guys case he just wanted a cool snake for sure
Only places that should have one of these outside of Australia are zoos. Any time I see someone keeping ANY Australian reptiles I just assume they have partaken in the Illegal wildlife trade
This story has stuck with me, especially the fact that all his animals were euthanized. They were living beings that he brought into his care, but because he was too egotistical to treat them the way that they deserved, they had to die for him. It's horrifying. Devastating.
Yeah, it definitely sucks. IF they had been kept in secure containers then MAYBE they wouldn't have been euthed (unless they were illegal) But it's a HUGE ask to expect people to care for venomous snakes when they probably have no venomous snake experience, especially in unsecure containers. And because of biohazard issues, asking zoos, venom labs, research facilities, or other keepers to take on the snakes is not exactly something they can easily do.
@kathrynryan3442 this was sad for me as well, although a little reckless, I enjoyed Jeff's videos allot. Conditions were not atrocious but he was definitely overwhelmed. That being said his snakes had names and were loved. According to the news authorities did reach out but the main concern was that no one had the available space to quarantine the snakes from their own.
@@Mo-km3tuAll of the snakes were euthanized; the house cats were taken by animal control. A story posted earlier today said that the apartment was filthy. It reeked of ammonia, feces & rotting meat.
Joey, Well said and factually accurate, except for one small detail. He received seven vials of Taipan monovalent to treat his bite. I think you're a fine example of the next generation of venomous keeper the hobby needs. If you need anything, just hit me up.
Thank you! Yeah I wasn't 100% sure on the total number but I knew it was a good amount. Although I was under the impression that it was the polyvalent and not taipan monovalent. Thanks for passing on the correct information!
@@Callmethelamp Polyvalent is over 40ml's per vial, so that would be a large amount of serum, raising the risk of serum reactions. Australian Venom Doc Julian White, say the vast majority of Australian bite are treated with just two to three vials of monovalent. I also know the Doc advising the hospital in this case. The first three vials didn't resolve the coagulopathy, so they gave him the other four. It takes the human body about eight hours to replace destroyed blood factors involved in clotting, so there's a lag before you show improvement.
@@viperkeeperit's why we need keepers like Joey and others and you to teach these bad keepers in line and I hope this teaches Jeff a big damn lesson of just because you don't get bit for 40 years doesn't mean it ain't gonna happen and it happened. He was so reckless, rude and abusive to well known people and tarnished the snake keeping community as a whole because we are trying to keep our hobby alive and as well as keep the conservative measures working well with stopping wild caught species and also boosting captive bred endangered species to show people education and respect for animals. I really hope more keepers like Joey and wicked reptiles to speak on matters like this. It's not drama it's a bad look and a down play on serious situations
@@viperkeeperthank you sir for all of your expertise over the years! I have learned so much from watching your videos and have watched them for years. In fact, my wife and I use to watch your videos quite often at night while we wound down for the evening. Thank you again sir for your contribution to the venomous community and herping community.
As an Australian - Keeping a Taipan is foolish, keeping an Inland Taipan is insane, even with anti venom. Human beings make mistakes, its what makes us human. WHEN you make your mistake with an Inland Taipan it is going to cost you and your community dearly. Leave these animals in the Australian outback where they belong. They will be happier and so will you.
I don't wish anyone harm because we're all human beings, but this guy sounds despicable. I'll never understand such narcissism. Attacking you, Joey, a responsible keeper, and going after your appearance in particular just shows the kind of person we're dealing with. I adore snakes, but I'm humble enough to admit even a mildly venomous one is way out of my league.
honestly i heard he had cancer so he probably didnt care all too much. cancer is a big diagnosis and he probably should have been in therapy instead of commiting murder suicide via venomous snake
@justkittensbeingkittens5892 still out of my league, I already have a history of venom allergies (insect). It'd just be extremely stupid for me to even risk it
times like this I'm reminded of when the gentleman at NERD talked about why he no longer free handles his venomous snakes. if you have these snakes and make a public figure of yourself, you have a responsibility to take every precaution, even if the snake is super chill. you can not risk the entire reptile hobby for your clout. the number 1 question I get about my CORN SNAKE is "is it venomous". if the default view of the majority of ppl is "all snakes are venomous and therefore dangerous pets" you can NOT fuck about with snakes that actually are venomous, because one wrong move could be devastating for keepers everywhere, even ones that don't keep hot species.
Also even if you don’t care about the hobby in general, or anyone but yourself and your animals, it’s your responsibility as a pet owner to take every precaution and not get bit, especially in such a reckless and public way. Look at what happened here, 14 snakes lost their lives because of this idiot. That’s irresponsible pet ownership, even if the fate of the hobby is the least of your concerns.
Well said - I've the literal Golden Retriever of the snake world (temperament and how common) a Ball Python and I get asked routinely is it poisonous (don't even get me started on 'poisonous') it's hard enough to get people onside with renting to you without stuff like this happening- and once it does anything with no legs and scales is immediately a threat. Seriously my boy is more a threat to his own derpy tail than to anything else but people only see snake because of asshats who fafo... oh.. yeah the dangerous creature who hides his face in my hair when he gets startled is my profile pic...
lamp and venomman20 might be my favorite venomous youtubers because I like how entertaining they are and they don't need to free handle snakes for views, it's already enough to show how well and safe they handle these deadly creatures
Viperkeeper is also a great venomous UA-camr that I've been following for years. He's a very serious man, but he is super educational and an outstanding snake keeper IMO. Unfortunately he has stopped making videos right now because his wife has become very ill.
This is infuriating on so many levels. I saw his posts on Instagram and I was telling everyone who would listen that this is going to end badly. And to know his snakes were poorly taken care of and then euthanized because of his irresponsibility drives me absolutely crazy.
I watched Viperkeeper's video about this, in which he appealed to viewers to send messages of support to Kentucky Reptile Zoo, who refused to supply the guy with antivenom. I immediately send them a supportive message. I only keep non venomous snakes, but I think anyone who keeps venomous should at the bare minimum have a starter dose of antivenom for the animals kept, together with a detailed treatment protocol. When I was in my teens I was given a major telling off by the head keeper at London zoo's reptile house: I had got to know one of the keepers, who said he could get me a pygmy rattler. The head keeper went ballistic - not surprising: imagine the newspaper headline: "Fifteen year old boy given deadly snake by London zoo"!!! I don't know who this guy is, but he sounds like the lowest of the low. How dare anyone attack a superb keeper such as yourself.
Unfortunately antivenom (depending on the state) is hard to acquire and also has an expiration date as well. No venomous keeper that I watch ( I watch a lot of responsible ones) keep antivenom. It’s unfortunate because I agree with you though, it would be great if they could have it.
The one story I read, his father said police told him anti-venom was short because it was used for another bite in the prior months. Whether it was misinterpreted from already in short supply and those that have will not release it's unknown
Further more, what LD50 actually means is the dose at which 50% of test subjects (usually lab mice) die from the venom. So if you have 10 test subjects, and you inject each with 1 mL of a toxin, and 5 of them die, then that is your LD50 (lethal dose 50)
@aaronrandolph1267 yeah, I know. Wasn't trying to put him down in any way. He probably tried to dumb it down or misspoke. I don't know a lot about snakes, but I used to be a lab technician, so I know how LD50 works.
@@lupo3694 i was being very sarcastic. i watched him handle his taipans and it wasnt expert in any way. im not trying to put him down either but these guys and their egos are over the top. the only places that should be handling these animals are venom labs , universities and zoos.
Anybody that gets upset with you over this isn't even worthy of being taken seriously. This was a superb analysis of the situation at hand and your valuable experience and/or insight is most certainly appreciated. Keep up the great work, Joey!
Seems to me he was trying to pull some "Alpha male" BS and it could possibly cost him his life and DEFINITELY cost his animals their lives due to his negligence and irresponsibility. This is sad. Regardless of his poor decision making skills and need to "flex" for Instalikes? He's still a human being and I hope he pulls through this, but he certainly won't do so unscathed. He's a prime example of when F around Avenue meets Find out Boulevard and he pimped himself on the corner. Thank you for being responsible, Joey, and educating people and taking appropriate care of your snakes instead of just doing whatever you feel like doing for clout. You're one of the good ones. 🐍 😊
Yes Jeff definitely had the toxic "alpha male" thing going. I suspect he won't learn his lesson if he lives, he will just try to sue over the confiscated snakes and move somewhere even less regulated and start again, likely being even more toxic, probably defanging his snakes so he can do stupid shit with them for views. The amount of defanged King Cobras on IG or YT these days is bad enough already.
honestly i heard he had cancer which kind of puts things in to perspective (still a terrible situation though), he probably didnt really care too much about his life or (maybe even his snakes) or just didnt think too far ahead
I was one of the keepers he “tried” to defame. He tried to ruin my character but he failed. Doesn’t change the fact that he blasted me on a big platform. What he didn’t know is my tiktok had already passed him in followers. But i still never made a post. He deserved the bite, i saw what he said about you recently so i know you understand the type of person he is. Still to this day i never made a post about him, simply because i didn’t want him getting more attention. Nor did i want his name or face on my social media. You did a good job with this video. Most people are being fake and trying to post a positive story towards jeff. I respect the way you handled this. I wouldn’t be remotely respectful if i made a video. Which is mostly why i haven’t made a video.
"Eventually, the snakes were secured and Leibowitz’s father gave Florence police permission to have them euthanized." “Unfortunately, sometimes she tries to bite, but we’ve talked about it … They all give what they get. Give them lots of love, that’s what you’re going to get.” This guy shouldn't have venomous snakes. Seems to treat them like dogs or cats.
Dude shouldn't have owned housecats either, given the state of his home and his general approach to animal welfare. I've already gleaned from the expos that Joey is a cut above the rest when it comes to humane, enriching and *safe* environments for the animals under his care, but I'm saddened to see an example of someone so far on the opposite side of the spectrum.
@simpled5755 it didn't simply "die young" so much as (from what i understand allegedly etc) it escaped and then was _shot by the police._ guy's got a history of letting the cops murder his animals in guess.
As a fellow venomous keeper I totally agree with your sentiments within this video. I too have experience with this individual. After seeing his reckless handling for the first time I happened to comment on a post on instagram. I noticed an avid breeder comment on it as well. He scolded and insulted the breeder calling him many names. He also stated since the breeder had no venomous experience he had no input. I happened to comment with my venomous experience not to be rude but I was also called many names as well. In my opinion I foresaw this happening like others and I believe he was keeping for all the wrong reasons. I could also tell he did not have the experience he would state by just repeating bad info and poor behavior reading in his videos.
Absolutely, most venomous keepers have upmost respect for their animals and have many bite protocols and safety mechanisms in place in case of a bite as well as I. Currently I keep many snakes currently only 3 species are venomous. I a cottonmouth , two insularis one green one blue, and a female waglers temple viper.
Finally, someone says it as it is. This guy was unbelievably reckless, reminds me of a local tarantula breeder who was caught poaching rattlesnakes to keep without his license. I absolutely HATE that owning giant/deadly animals is treated like a status symbol.
Wdym. Everyone was saying it how it is. What's shocking to me is this guy gives Chandler and Tyler a pass when they're worse bc they're actual influencers with a large following.
@@Crotecainecowboy Remember how Chandler said he would never free handle again after he got bit lol? Also Tyler has way too many animals to be able to actually care for them properly. (might explain why he has pets die all the time) Tyler and Chandler both seem really scummy
@Djamieson713 I take it from this he's back to free handling? One of the first videos of his I saw he was free handling a Gaboon Viper and I commented that it's just a matter of time.
I had never heard of this guy before but I looked and found a couple of his videos. Not only was he free handling the Taipan but he was petting a western Green Mamba like it was a puppy. Why did they even allow him to post reckless behavior like that. It's like posting videos of somebody playing Russian roulette. As I understand it, he'll probably be on kidney dialysis for the rest of his life.
Been following this guy Jeff for a while. Was waiting for this to happen. He was just too care free. That’s what blows my mind. You saw it in those videos.
Greetings, Joey. This marks my initial encounter with your channel, and I must commend the UA-cam algorithm for this discovery. I found your video to be exceptionally well-executed. Although I no longer maintain venomous snakes or other animals due to my extensive travel commitments, I have a background as a zookeeper and park naturalist. My journey in this field began many years ago, with my first mentor being Bill Haast during my youth in Florida. His guidance significantly influenced my path, extending through my college years and beyond. I commend your dedication in producing this video and for providing your insightful commentary on this unfortunate and entirely preventable incident involving Jeff who, regrettably, received far more admiration than he deserved. It is unlikely that he will be able to continue handling snakes, given the health complications associated with such a bite, assuming he survives the ordeal. I look forward to following along as a new subscriber!
@@kathyyy_ Blessings for your kind words, Kathy. Approximately twenty years ago, an editor advised me that in order to produce meaningful work in the diverse areas I have engaged with professionally, such as in reptile husbandry, I must refine my writing skills to match my spoken communication in academic settings, lectures, or client interactions. The recommendation was to engage in online writing, utilizing my naturally pedantic inclination to comment...LOL!!! Thank you once more for your thoughtful remarks...😊
I totally agree. 99% of the time his snakes are inside their enclosures and he films from the other side. When he is working with them outside of the enclosures, he takes the correct safety measures.
Joey - I think you’ve done a very elegant job of covering this. I stumbled across your channel a while back and loved your dry/ironic humour and quirk but really have appreciated the longer vids where you clearly emphasise education and respect for these beautiful creatures. Now funny enough as an Aussie who just straight up respects ANY snake (well, any bitey things), this guy sounds like he is a candidate for the Darwin Award (stupidest way to die award) I do not understand how this person can wilfully neglect his very creatures he also didn’t need anti venom for!? I’m impressed he didn’t actually die given the duration of time without anti venom! Antivenom - yeah it’s liquid gold here too! We give this stuff when we have a symptomatic patient, and ONLY when we have expert advice. Not only is anti venom expensive, but not without its own risks. People can have quite significant reactions (including full blown anaphylaxis/life threatening allergy) and it’s not like every Aussie has a slab of beer in the fridge alongside some antivenom “just in case”. If we have beloved pets that get snake bites many vets may not have anti venom and even very basic things to reverse the bleeding effects of some venom were at one point in worldwide shortage. Polyvalent antivenom is a LAST resort and gets used when we really cannot narrow down the type of snake we suspect is causing the symptoms. I’ll say it now - this guy sounds like he is an absolute menace and I do not pity this idiot. My tolerance for animal cruelty does not exist. He did not deserve to have multiple ampoules of anti venom. He also has taken up an ICU space that someone else who really needed it, taken up a dialysis machine, taken up countless staff, and if he does survive, will be an ongoing blight on humanity due to requiring extremely complex medical needs. I rarely comment on this sort of space but as someone within the healthcare realm and living in the venomous epicentre…… THIS GUY SUCKS.
Thank you for bringing brave enough to post about this. After how he viciously attacked you online. I truly hope the laws do not change but I do hope he is banned from owning any animal ever again!
I agree with you on how crazy he handlles his snakes. I watched his video of him handling a gaboon. OMG. So crazy stupid!!!! And I also watched the baby Taipan video. One thing that bothers me is people are heavily criticizing Kentucky zoo for not handing over their expensive antivenin. People need to remember zoos purchase the anti venom for their employees. People who keep venomous snakes should be responsible and buy their own anti venom before you get the snake!!!!!!
Maybe the cost of the venomous snake should include a vial of the anti-venom depending on the snake. Something the venomous snake community could/should put into place themselves.
Thank you making this about education, I think that going forward, this is a tragic but important opportunity to help the community become more safe in practice, come together, and support having better bite protocol standards. Praying for Jeff’s recovery and wishing for him to have an opportunity to turn this into something that will help prevent others from this happening to them.
Snakes missing from the list the media mentioned were surrendered and euthanized from his collection: At least 2 boomslangs 2 puff adders A stiletto snake A Jameson mamba
In Japan, we heard nothing about this. I am glad you are okay and hope Jeffrey will make a full recovery. Very very sad to hear his animals were not so fortunate. Too many daredevils in this world, who want attention and take enormous risks for that, with their own lives a secondary concern. Thank you for talking about this.
Addendum: There is an old saying in aviation, and it's the reason I'm still alive and healthy: "There are old pilots and there are bold pilots, but there are no old, bold pilots." Yes, I was never a "bold pilot." But I did fly! Really! I have photos! The Colorado Herpetological Society, which I belonged to decades ago (1970s), had at least one member with O- blood type deliberately getting bitten in controlled conditions in an effort to provide antivenin to people with horse allergies. The focus was on local species (rattlesnakes and I think he did a coral snake as well). I didn't hear how that effort turned out. Likely other techniques eliminated the need.
You don’t just love them, you respect them. You respect them as living beings that have needs and requirements for their care, treatment and handling. He didn’t.
You're the only person I know and watch who makes content like this. I discovered you years ago when i got recommended a post on insta, but didn't know you had a youtube, nor could i remember the name. With that said, i certainly respect you alot, and while not having any snakes myself, i would love to keep some. But aside from finances, I worry about being able to keep them properly, and it utterly baffles me that someone would just toy with multiple lives like that, human and non-human. Those animals definitely deserved better.
Just as an update for you his serval that got out was hunted and killed by local police. If it’s the one I am thinking that got out last month local news confirmed it was killed. Best of luck on the move and maybe I’ll see you around if you’re near Rock Hill!
The pet servals are even more infuriating than irresponsible snake keepers. Servals are a threatened species and most ones in the pet trade are illegally wild caught, primarily for use in breeding Savannah cats (Serval/domestic cat hybrid, the world's most expensive pet cat).
@@mrvwbug4423 thats just straight up false. Servals are actively and responsibly bred and kept in captivity and are listed on the IUCN red list of threatend spiecies as least concern.
Serval people are crazy. Even more so than hots people I feel. Like I understand why people would would want a serval, but the majority I see are kept like house cats who go on walks and come out to the backyard. I feel like at a minimum people should be building a zoo enclosure for them and feeding live prey every so often.
As an Australian I can say that this man’s actions and attitude towards our snakes is idiotic. In the country areas (I’m from regional/rural Western Australia) we are taught from a young age not to mess with them and if you leave them alone then they will usually just leave because they don’t want to be near humans. To think that you are a god like being who will never get bit and that people who don’t do things the same way are cowards is just disgusting narcissism. I don’t blame the people for denying him their anti-venom, it’s difficult to get here in Australia so I can imagine how much worse it is in the US. I’m not wishing him any ill will but he fucked around and found out, other people shouldn’t be put in danger because he is suffering from the consequences of his actions. I always find it incredulous how easy it is for people in the US to keep Australian animals that we can’t even keep legally here in our own country. I don’t want our laws to change so people can keep these as pets, it’s just absolutely wild how different our countries deal with wildlife. Again, I’m not wishing him harm, I just understand why other people declined his pleas for the anti-venom.
Because America is a third world country. Many states don’t ban owing exotic animals. Many people have tigers in their backyard zoos. The hyper libertarian US legal system means that unless it’s explicitly banned than you can do it.
Yeah, pretty much every Australian kid learns IN SCHOOL how not to be an idiot aroubd our native animals that can kill you. A big part of not being an idiot is not going anywhere near em.
Thank you for the video! I’m glad to hear from voices in the community about this, doubly so due to the interactions you’ve had (and his name calling and personal attacks to you on facebook). I’m glad to have found your channel!!
as a south carolinian, i’m sorry about any potential laws that come into place due to one idiots complacency. we do not claim him(as you said, he recently moved here.) hope your move, if it still happens, goes well.
there are 3 types of snake toxins 1. Neurotoxic Venom Effects: Paralysis, convulsions or rapid muscle twitching, difficulty breathing and other respiratory issues Deadly? In many cases, yes. 2. Cytotoxic venom Effects: Severe pain, swelling of area surrounding bite, necrosis (death of tissue) Deadly? Yes, but less-so than the other types of venom 3. Hemotoxic Venom Effects: Swelling, internal bleeding, hemorrhaging, necrosis Deadly? Yes P.S. for those that want to know what it`s venom does The inland taipan can strike multiple times in one attack, and it strikes with extreme precision and speed. their venom covers every angle imaginable, with the first ingredient being potent anticoagulants. These attack fibroagulin, the main clotting protein in the bloodstream. However, the main weapon is two separate classes of neurotoxins. The postsynaptic neurotoxins act more slowly, but cut off the signals between the brain and the wider body, leading to muscle weakness and ultimately paralysis. The pre-synaptic neurotoxins are weaker, but act more rapidly, leading to two separate waves of taipan doom. These neurotoxins respond very poorly to antivenom, whereas anticoagulants are easier to treat in a hospital bed. Some of the specific toxins in this death juice are oxylepitoxin-1, alpha-oxytoxin 1, alpha-scutoxin 1, β-bungarotoxin and α-bungarotoxin. The venom is also loaded with mylotic enzymes which help to digest the animal’s flesh before the snake has even swallowed it. To perfect this evil elixir, there’s enzymes called hyaluronidases, which dissolve the hyaluronic acid in your skin. Hyaluronic acid is one of the prized ingredients of modern moisturisers, but the snake’s goal is to allow extra fast absorption for its venom. Inland taipan venom isn’t notable for kidney-destroying toxins - that’s the one feature they’re missing.
It seems at least with some north american pit vipers that the venom composition within a species can vary between snakes that seem to be the same species, but from different regions. I do not know if this is true, but anyway this idiot is on kidney dialysis. So one way or another that inland taipan bite caused it.
Dude, you're the only snaketuber I watch...found you about a month ago...love all your videos. I'm tall and skinny too, girls love it! Tell Steve and Hillary I said hello!
When I subbed to CallMeTheLamp, I started getting recommendations for other snake handling videos. I don't remember their names, but I remember the gross negligence, the horrible care conditions and the *sometimes deliberate* showcases of animal cruelty. I reported those creators, and now the only reptile keepers I see are Joey and Leafy Street.
Inlands haven't killed anybody ... yet, he might be the first. That is only because they're known for being shy and reclusive snakes that don't live near populated areas in the wild.
“And the handlers of captive olds are normally not stupid” - most bites are from people handling them. There was one in Australia where a guy was letting it slither its head over his fingers..then it bit his thumb. Unfortunately almost all bites are people doing things like that.
Yeah, inland taipan territory is very remote, harsh country even by Australian standards. Interactions with people are pretty much limited to those who actually go looking for them. How this bloke could claim they aren’t that dangerous just because they haven’t killed anybody is the height of ignorance. The coastal taipan has killed numerous people, especially up in PNG, and the inland is rated higher toxicity.
Tyler has talked about that. Most places you can’t keep anti venom because it is a prescription medication. That is why most venomous keepers I know say to start with local species so the hospitals will have the anti venom on hand.
I discussed all this with a person who introduced me to your content… But you are a man who loves his snakes, and your snakes know that. Kraity Perry is the biggest example of the love and care you give for a snake that I can think of. You’re a kind soul who works hard for the ones under your care.
Thanks for the additional insight. I appreciated the rather unbiased view you brought to this event, despite the online beef the person in question was trying to start. You are an excellent ambassador for the venomous reptile community. While I'm personally skeptical about most people's ability to keep venomous snakes, your content helps me keep an open mind. I would be interested in content on why you've keep the the reptiles you keep. Also, Harold Tiberius Snakeworth (the Cali King snake I share my office with) says hi...
I’m glad you’re taking precautions and getting some anti venom. There was a fireman in Fairborn, Ohio who died from a bite over 20 years ago from a Viper he’d had for 12 years. He was actually a responsible keeper. He just bumped his elbow when he was putting it back into the enclosure after cleaning if. He died shortly before the anti venom was delivered.
Get in touch with the Commonwealth serum Laboratory, CSL ,part of the CSIRO , and maker of Many Poly Venines , MELB AUSTRALIA, they have a deal, with the Papuan Government, as now The Coastal Taipan Oxyuranus Scutellatus Papuan Coastal Taipan Oxyuranus Scutellatus/kanahi, The Common Death Adder Acanthophis Antarcticus, and also 2nd deadliest snake on earth The Eastern Brown PsudonajaTextillis, so we sell them a lot of antivenine, good deal too , but a lot goes missing , sold under the jump , it's so corrupt ,but you may get the distribution licence , good luck
The Inland Taipan is one, if not my favorite snake species as they are known to have a really docile nature while carrying all that power. I think that says a lot about the true nature of this animal. I'd love to have a pet snake some day (probably something like a Ball Python), but before jumping into it, I am ensuring I do all the research I can and have an enclosure that will ensure they have the best life possible. I appreciate all that you do with your videos!
I dont understand keeping venemous snakes at all. Why would you want a pet that is incapable of bonding or showing affection? You're just babysitting something that, best case scenario, doesn't care that you exist. You can't even handle the damn things. Just collect art if you want something pretty to look that that you can't touch.
Very well explained Joey. I watched some of his videos and it’s a miracle he isn’t already pushing up daisy’s. That being said, maybe instead of him coming at you, he could have learned to handle them safely. Oh well, ain’t karma a bitch
Very well said. i am personally scared of snakes, but i enjoy the fact you share the beauty in them and i really appreciate the knowledge you share and even the safety aspect you show in the videos keep it up
I agree look at the Everglades here in Colorado we only have small rattlesnakes but if someone wanted to bring in a western diamond back for a pet I would object .its like I said in another video there might be nice tigers but I'm not petting any and I dont want my nieghbors having one as a pet
Thanks for making this video. It's very important to give the context of an event like this for people who are unfamiliar with snake keeping. I think many people don't understand that antivenom doesn't repair damage that has already occurred, it can only stop further damage which is why it must be administered ASAP after a bite.
OK I don't understand why anyone would want to keep venomous snakes, but you do you. What I can say is that from what I have seen of your set up and the way you work, you are aware that these reptiles can and will put you in the ground. They are fast and have different attitudes. It would be a shame if a Steve Irwin wannabe screws it up for sensible caring snake owners
Extremely well articulated and explained. Many of my thoughts on the matter have already been stated in previous comments here, but I wanted to say that as someone who spends most of their time working to educate people about the value of these animals and why we should *respect* them, learn from them, and aspire for the highest welfare possible in keeping them, this whole situation hits hard. And the thing is, any snake, hot or not, that is kept in poor conditions and handled with disregard could be expected to react negatively and bite- and the fault NEVER lies on the snake. But if you’re going to do so with a species that can kill you, then you don’t really deserve help from others when things go sour. It should be looked at as a privilege to keep these animals, not a right. And yet that privilege can be taken away thanks to ego-driven recklessness like his. I don’t work with Venomous species, but this situation could affect us all, and only reinforces the negative bias towards snakes in the general populous that people like you and I are trying to remove. Thank you for speaking about this knowledgeably and without sensationalism. I’ve followed you on IG for a while but am now subscribed here because of that.
I have to admit I was a subscriber. Hearing the different perspectives now makes me feel like I encouraged him by watching the videos. Terrible situation and a silly guy but it's his snakes that have paid the price.
I am an Australian snake handler living in Cairns, QLD, AUS. I work for a volunteer wildlife service relocating snakes and other reptiles. I have all the required state and federal accreditation certificates and 25+ experience. All the said I am strongly opposed to our poly and monovalent anti-venoms leaving the country to be wasted on private keepers who should never be in possession of these awesome snakes. These anti venoms should be kept for the following circumstances: 1) incidental bites to the public. 2) bites to accredited handlers involved with wildlife programs. 3) accidental bites to handlers working in production anti venoms. 4) accidental bites to accredited research persons. 5) accidental bites to accredited zoological staff. As can be seen there are many legitimate handlers / public who may require this precious anti-venom and these people deserve the anti-venom more than persons who like to play with snakes 🐍.
As an Australian who has been bitten and also had to DEMAND a local hospital carry out full Snakebite protocols because I looked at the bite and figured only one fang made full contact and the other did a scratch: I am going to say that snakes are like a venomous scared creature who wants to escape. If they cannot escape you're going to get killed, I personally met the late great Ram Chandler in person, I also was told to consider every snake I see as a threat to my life and stay away. Never had a snake chase me down. They go the other way.
I been watching viper keeper for years and he seems to be the "Gold Standard" of professional venomous snake handling... and I think it is crazy lol. will check out your channel
You’ve ALWAYS come off as Responsible 💯I hope his actions don’t make your transition to South Carolina difficult. Please keep informing Venomous Snake owners the RIGHT way to do it❤
Hands down, you're the best. If I had any questions it would be your brain id trust over anyone. I know I don't personally know you but I have nothing but respect for you. You don't take stupid chances. Live long and prosper bud.
Good on you for putting it out there, my man. People should know when a keeper is not worthy of affecting the reputation of a hobby. Just because HE is incapable, guys like you, and Tyler, and Chandler, and Stone, are more than capable of doing this, and you are all prepared to accept the consequences for your own actions. Keep doing what you do, bro!!!
Great video and great take on this situation. I’m with you that there is a safe way to keep venomous and the old “Not if but when “ axiom does not have to be true. I’ve met people with 20+ years of venomous experience that never got bit and people who got bit multiple times over just a few years. It just comes down to how one decides to handle them and take risks. I’m around 8 years into venomous keeping without a bite and hope to keep it that way. 😅
I was shamefully gleeful about Jeff's fate when I heard how he behaved towards the community... I'm not ashamed anymore now I've heard how he kept his animals.
Thanks for posting such an educating and enlightening video! Don’t be ashamed or feel bad for saying what very much needs to be said. “Leave it it the professionals!”
Some time ago the algorithm gave me a short clip from you. I don’t know anything about keeping snakes but I liked the way you acted with them. When I checked out you channel I saw that you have a great deal of respect for them. They have a nice enclosure and you handle them with care. That’s a good start in not getting bitten. I saw the photo of the inland taipan that bit Jeff. It is tiny … I do hope he gets better and maybe this is something to learn from.
5:55 clearly they're not. They've both been bit bc of negligence. You want to talk reckless. Chandler is just as bad if not worse for the hobby than Jeff. His fanbase is children. Did you see his video of him pregaming beers before the croc capture that nearly killed him? Recklessly he continued to capture the croc and posted it for all the children to see. I'm sick of people giving those two a pass bc of their status. Speak up. Its ok. Chandler smokes while freehandling on video and when the filmer said she was worried he said something that Jeff would've said. You don't have to pretend they'r ok. Tyler can't even keep his animals alive. He froze his black dragons bc he was too messed up on drugs to bring them in during the freeze. Why are these guys our influencers?
Chandler does more for these venomous snakes then all of you combined. His education of them goes miles and miles to your nowhere of even who any of who you other keepers are. I without Chandler would picket and rally each and everyone one you be banned from EVER owning these snakes in the USA. I m being a RN took care of an idiot that was bit by a gaboon viper from a side show in Stanton, Missouri. You all need to thank him
This video is also an incredible example of how knowledgeable and plugged-in to the hobby responsible keepers are....and should be sent to legislators to consider both sides.
Joey: First time commenter - I respect your words and logic. I agree with you 1000% This incident could have been prevented by safe handling techniques. I have seen this mans channel and how he free handles the most venomous snakes and how he brags & condems others for not being as brazen as he. He is not the only snake handler who has done this - those people met their fate. Their is a verse in the Bible that talk about people being to big for their Britches. " Pride cometh before the Fall " May we pray for God's Mercy for this man 😢.
I think I speak for a lot of Australians when I say that it is incredibly enraging to see our native animals not being cared for overseas. To all the good keepers, there's a lot of love and support for you. But when you see someone mistreating our animals, it really makes your blood boil. You often see articles in our media here about people mistreating emus, kangaroos, native lizards etc. I remember one guy in Florida was killed by his pet cassowary a year or two ago. Why would anyone keep a cassowary?!?! 😳
This is my first video to watch of yours and I think it is great! You did great thoroughly explaining the situation and helping me understand more about the venumous snake keeping community. I do watch Tyler and Chandler and I like them both very much as they are not beginners claiming to be experts and they always give warnings and tips. As far as I know they are both South Florida boys and have grown up with reptiles/animals of many species. If anyone is upset with you over this video, I say Let It Go...I thought it was great!
Hi an Australian here. How do you get hold of a Taipan in another country. The Australian government is very strict on who it would permit these native animals to be exported too. Are they illegally obtained? I live in North Queensland, Coastal Taipan country and grew up on a sugar cane farm, and came across many venomous snakes including taipans. Taipans are very smart and very quick, I personally would not go near one. My cousin was bitten by a taipan in the 1980's while swimming in our farm Dam, between the toes. He manged to live thanks to an Australian Snake Expert Called Ram Chandra (dec), who came to the hospital and advised the Doctors on which Antivenom to administer. Ram was bitten many times by Taipan's through out his life. A very unpredictable and aggressive snake in the wild.
It's in the pet trade and bred in the us. No idea how exactly it started but some states in the us its illegal some require permits but some have no laws. It depends who has it whether or not it is illegal or legal.
incidents like this are exactly why Australia is so strict when it comes to keeping reptiles, we are just as strict about keeping reptiles as we are about guns and it is for everybody's safety. For my state of NSW specifically, it is broken down as follows; all reptile keepers must have a licence, and report annually any animals that were born, died, bought and sold. For potentially dangerous/venomous species (crocodiles and monitor lizards included) you need to have a class 2 licence. Class 2 licenses have three levels, each with its own prerequisites, and determine which reptiles you can keep. To get Class 2 Level 1 license, you need a basic license for at least 2 years, be over 18, provide two written recommendations, have certified first aid training for snake bites, keep necessary first aid equipment near the reptile enclosure, and have the required facilities and equipment. Your house will be fully inspected before obtaining a C2. For Class 2, levels 2 and 3, you need at least 12 months of experience caring for less dangerous venomous species before upgrading. If your license expires or is revoked, you have to start the process again. In some cases of a revoked license, you may not get a C2 again.
There is a big difference between venomous snakes and guns. But there is similarity and that poor safety practices with either can result in injury or death. A gun does not have free will or the ability to inflict damage until something else usually a human causes the trigger to pulled. Guns do not reproduce or go crawl off and hide. It is legally dangerous instrumentality. In USA possession is protected within limits by law. There is no such legal protection for exotic venomous snakes. The USA was founded in revolution and not by deported convicts. We kicked the minions of King George out of our country. We are citizens and not subjects. I am definitely not in favor of exotic animals being kept in the USA by individuals. Even in universities things can get sloppy. I remember a building when I was graduate student that had all sorts of critter from boas to a small rodents from Montana in the walls. The rodent was used to study sleeping sickness and some escaped.
Well spoken,Joey. I hope that Jeff makes a reasonable recovery. He took the risks and he paid the price for it. Hopefully this humbles him up a little.
Even Chandler doesn't handle his Taipan without hooks, and usually only opens the enclosure just enough to get prey items in via long tongs. And with his Black Mambas, he will handle Allison with hook, but will not handle Koby at all, he uses a lockbox hide for Koby when he needs to get into the enclosure. The only really dangerous snake he has that he will semi-free handle is Justina, but he has also handled king cobras for many years and doesn't get complacent. His one bite was a wild cobra and was just bad luck, the snake started to act up and as he went to drop it it tagged his finger on the way down.
@@mrvwbug4423 To add onto this with Justina. He did try to hook with either Justina or Kevin, think it was Kevin, and all it did was just really piss them off because there is just no hooks big enough or designed in a way to not dig into a larger heavier bodied or longer snake like the King cobras. Hooks are great tools, but they are really not the most comfortable for the snake if its the wrong size or used incorrectly.
@@mrvwbug4423he also always takes full responsibility for that bite, for putting that snake in that position, and shows respect to his own snakes and how dangerous they are. Then there’s this guy trying to say that if you love them enough they won’t bite you and they aren’t dangerous at all. If you can’t show basic respect to the power of these animals you have no business owning them and especially not free handling, full stop.
Great video, what's funny is how some derided the toxicity of the Inland Taipen saying it was overblown a few years ago, however now some of these are all aboard LOL.
Great to see you have a genuine passion for these venomous snakes. Keeping an ' Inland Taipan ' is for the experienced handler. NO beginner or intermediate. Living here in South Australia and thinking way up North East where the borders of Queensland, Northern Territory and South Australia meet, the lovely Inland Taipan lays. I've never seen one not even in a Zoo but might just because it's a bit of a special snake. Kudos to you Joey with your professional approach. This Jeff guy who let himself get bitten, like you said is sooooo lucky it was just a bub and not an adult or even a teenager. 9 hours into a bite from a virtual new born !/ he should count his lucky stars. I do know right from birth Inlands can deliver a full toxic bite, albeit low yield but still enough to kill without anti venom. Joey, like you said had it been a fully grown adult with full yield I think he would have been dead as a door nail in well under 45 minutes, and quite possibly experience the effects of the venom within 30 minutes, thats organ shut down etc !?
Hi, new to your long form videos, but have enjoyed your shorts. I truly appreciate your insights on this situation. We only have a chill ball python, but because we wanted all the snake content of value, we discovered you! While you make jokes, it always seems to us that you're careful and respectful to the animals in your care. You provide a good example for our 11yo daughter who wants to take the best care of our newest family member, Pepper. Thank you for all that you do, educating and entertaining.
I've seen some of Jeff's videos and it was dangerous the way he was handling the snakes (one specifically with a rattlesnake). As far as free handling, Tyler and Chandler have both lost fingers (absolutely no disrespect to either because I respect them both alot). Chandler also has committed to not free handling as much or at all. I genuinely hope Jeff gets better soon, the inland taipan is so dangerous. I respect how carefully you handle these snakes and I hope when you move, it won't be difficult
I have... issues with Chandler. I have zero idea what he does with his animals, but when Chris Gillette was working with Aries, he could feed him by hand, touch him on the head, and has at least one video where he pulled a loose tooth (they shed them regularly) while he was sitting still. With Chandler he's constantly in attack mode. It just doesn't sit right with me.
Agree with you 100%. I lived in SC for 25 years and only kept hot snakes after spending a year and a half mentoring with a friend before he allowed me to purchase my first hot snake. I feel bad for the community as a whole because laws may get passed that will ruin it for the rest of us. I currently live in Virginia where the localities control who keeps what. I checked all the existing laws before I moved and ending up rehoming my venomous snakes with reliable individuals because the city I was moving to did not allow venomous snakes. The whole situation is sad. I hope he learned his lesson.
Sidenote: Jeffery is very lucky that it wasn't an adult Taipan (Inland or otherwise). The adult snake's venom has a hemocoagulant property, but due to the (relative) low venom yield the effect on humans is to use up the clotting factor in a person's blood, basically causing internal bleeding/'hemophilia' alongside the neurotoxic effects and magnifying the strain on the kidneys. *Addenda to the above: I don't have the relevant research at hand for taipans, but based on the testimony in the video it seems like the nature of the venom changes as they mature, much like in the related Eastern Brown Snake (Pseudonja textilus). It's known that in the Eastern Brown their diet shifts from small reptiles to rodents as they mature, and their venom composition shifts from straight neurotoxin to heamocoagulant with the change in diet, and I know that adult taipans have the same heamocoagulant mechanism in their venom, but I don't know anything about what their venom is like when they're hatchlings.
I'm a fan of reptiles and reptile keeping in general but never personally kept any. I'm happy you made this video, these insane people can completely destroy a hobby in no time...
It looks like all of his serious hot ones are adolescent / younger. The fer de lance, forest cobras, and inland taipan were all pretty small that I've seen.
Just was saying I would guess that he is pretty inexperienced with them. But maybe I'm wrong. And seems like he takes some sort of medication. He called it like fuckall or something. Guessing it makes him not care about anything / numbs his critical thinking process.
Based on what Joey is saying here it sounds like he went on a spree and bought a ton of snakes at once and didn’t have the facilities for them, which checks out with them all being younger.
Some things to note:
I cannot 100% confirm that his snakes were being kept illegally. Initially that's what reports were saying, but after looking up the exotic pet code of the city he was in, it appears that there is nothing about venomous snakes, so that may be a false report.
His snakes were all taken into custody (along with a house cat or two) and they were euthanized by the state. His reckless actions had immediate consequences to his animals.
He had no bite protocol or plan in case he was bitten, and had no antivenom (or any idea of where to even find antivenom)
I didn't want to make this video for a while, but decided it was necessary. We need to distance ourselves from the irresponsible people that ruin things for the rest of us.
Let this be a lesson - these animals are no joke and should only be handled by people that know what they're doing.
A new report states that Jeff didn't initially even tell EMS that it was his taipan that bit him, they didn't get told until hours later.
This video was filmed on 9/09/24, no information past that date is discussed.
WHAT why did they put down his cats??
@@joeydeeramone3618probably in rough conditions like everything else
@@joeydeeramone3618 I think it was only the snakes that were put down.
Love from Finland bro!🤗♥️
Love seeing these snakes but would never think of keeping one. Even worse trying to free hand something so dangerous is unreal. He sounds like people I have come across before and he sounds like the type of person that can bring a hobby like this down.
as an Australian i cannot fathom why anyone would want to keep a taipan, we avoid them like the plague
I mean I can see it as breeding efforts, and to be able to get antivenom, or just to study them. other than that? No clue why you would want them! In this case it seems to be education but that other guys case he just wanted a cool snake for sure
I always liked the colorations on the coastals, but like most folks, would not let that translate into a desire to keep one.
Can you even avoid them? That's good to know :)
Most people just think they’re cool. I don’t think the general public needs their hands on snakes like this.
Only places that should have one of these outside of Australia are zoos. Any time I see someone keeping ANY Australian reptiles I just assume they have partaken in the Illegal wildlife trade
This story has stuck with me, especially the fact that all his animals were euthanized. They were living beings that he brought into his care, but because he was too egotistical to treat them the way that they deserved, they had to die for him. It's horrifying. Devastating.
Yeah, it definitely sucks. IF they had been kept in secure containers then MAYBE they wouldn't have been euthed (unless they were illegal)
But it's a HUGE ask to expect people to care for venomous snakes when they probably have no venomous snake experience, especially in unsecure containers.
And because of biohazard issues, asking zoos, venom labs, research facilities, or other keepers to take on the snakes is not exactly something they can easily do.
@kathrynryan3442 this was sad for me as well, although a little reckless, I enjoyed Jeff's videos allot. Conditions were not atrocious but he was definitely overwhelmed. That being said his snakes had names and were loved. According to the news authorities did reach out but the main concern was that no one had the available space to quarantine the snakes from their own.
Were the non hots euthanized, and the cats? Because I understand why they euthanized the venomous ones but why everything
@@Mo-km3tuAll of the snakes were euthanized; the house cats were taken by animal control. A story posted earlier today said that the apartment was filthy. It reeked of ammonia, feces & rotting meat.
@@Mo-km3tubecause no one wanted to risk taking them. Especially since no one knows how they're healthy/safe etc
Joey, Well said and factually accurate, except for one small detail. He received seven vials of Taipan monovalent to treat his bite. I think you're a fine example of the next generation of venomous keeper the hobby needs. If you need anything, just hit me up.
Thank you! Yeah I wasn't 100% sure on the total number but I knew it was a good amount. Although I was under the impression that it was the polyvalent and not taipan monovalent. Thanks for passing on the correct information!
@@Callmethelamp Polyvalent is over 40ml's per vial, so that would be a large amount of serum, raising the risk of serum reactions. Australian Venom Doc Julian White, say the vast majority of Australian bite are treated with just two to three vials of monovalent. I also know the Doc advising the hospital in this case. The first three vials didn't resolve the coagulopathy, so they gave him the other four. It takes the human body about eight hours to replace destroyed blood factors involved in clotting, so there's a lag before you show improvement.
@@viperkeeperit's why we need keepers like Joey and others and you to teach these bad keepers in line and I hope this teaches Jeff a big damn lesson of just because you don't get bit for 40 years doesn't mean it ain't gonna happen and it happened. He was so reckless, rude and abusive to well known people and tarnished the snake keeping community as a whole because we are trying to keep our hobby alive and as well as keep the conservative measures working well with stopping wild caught species and also boosting captive bred endangered species to show people education and respect for animals. I really hope more keepers like Joey and wicked reptiles to speak on matters like this. It's not drama it's a bad look and a down play on serious situations
@@viperkeeperthank you sir for all of your expertise over the years! I have learned so much from watching your videos and have watched them for years. In fact, my wife and I use to watch your videos quite often at night while we wound down for the evening. Thank you again sir for your contribution to the venomous community and herping community.
@@Dante-ly666he didn’t learn just today he posted an iso for venomous snakes and or other exotic and questionably legal animals
They should have gave him a Darwin Award instead anti-venom
That's what Kentucky reptile zoo said. They publicly stated that they would not help him
@@jacobgeist6580I was trying to remember their name, thx. Thought of them when "have your own antivenin" came up
They did both. Unfortunately
@@jacobgeist6580When you extract venom, your own supply of anti-venom is more important.
Miami Venom also would NOT give him Anti-venom
As an Australian - Keeping a Taipan is foolish, keeping an Inland Taipan is insane, even with anti venom. Human beings make mistakes, its what makes us human. WHEN you make your mistake with an Inland Taipan it is going to cost you and your community dearly. Leave these animals in the Australian outback where they belong. They will be happier and so will you.
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they are fine to keep if you are a professional and know what you're doing. Nick from Wicked Wildlife has one.
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I thought the export of Australian snakes was a no no.
@@rtarrant1Yep export of any native Australian is illegal. But the illegal animal trade is a multi billion dollar industry.
I don't wish anyone harm because we're all human beings, but this guy sounds despicable. I'll never understand such narcissism. Attacking you, Joey, a responsible keeper, and going after your appearance in particular just shows the kind of person we're dealing with. I adore snakes, but I'm humble enough to admit even a mildly venomous one is way out of my league.
honestly i heard he had cancer so he probably didnt care all too much. cancer is a big diagnosis and he probably should have been in therapy instead of commiting murder suicide via venomous snake
I’d 100% get a hognose if I ever got a snake, they’re technically venomous but really harmless
@justkittensbeingkittens5892 still out of my league, I already have a history of venom allergies (insect). It'd just be extremely stupid for me to even risk it
Bit weird for an overweight guy who looks like a melting corpse to go after someone elses appearance, but it's clear that guy has no self-awareness
Narcissistic sociopath.
One step away from cereal kihler.
times like this I'm reminded of when the gentleman at NERD talked about why he no longer free handles his venomous snakes. if you have these snakes and make a public figure of yourself, you have a responsibility to take every precaution, even if the snake is super chill. you can not risk the entire reptile hobby for your clout. the number 1 question I get about my CORN SNAKE is "is it venomous". if the default view of the majority of ppl is "all snakes are venomous and therefore dangerous pets" you can NOT fuck about with snakes that actually are venomous, because one wrong move could be devastating for keepers everywhere, even ones that don't keep hot species.
Well said
Also even if you don’t care about the hobby in general, or anyone but yourself and your animals, it’s your responsibility as a pet owner to take every precaution and not get bit, especially in such a reckless and public way. Look at what happened here, 14 snakes lost their lives because of this idiot. That’s irresponsible pet ownership, even if the fate of the hobby is the least of your concerns.
Well said - I've the literal Golden Retriever of the snake world (temperament and how common) a Ball Python and I get asked routinely is it poisonous (don't even get me started on 'poisonous') it's hard enough to get people onside with renting to you without stuff like this happening- and once it does anything with no legs and scales is immediately a threat. Seriously my boy is more a threat to his own derpy tail than to anything else but people only see snake because of asshats who fafo... oh.. yeah the dangerous creature who hides his face in my hair when he gets startled is my profile pic...
@@celtzen I hear ya on the “Poisonous” vs “Venomous”!
@@celtzen i love telling people like that "Why? Are you planning on eating my pet????" With a fake horrified face, gets them most of them time xD
Play STUPID games... Win STUPID prizes.
If you're a fool, you should not play games as Jeff did.
So true
lamp and venomman20 might be my favorite venomous youtubers because I like how entertaining they are and they don't need to free handle snakes for views, it's already enough to show how well and safe they handle these deadly creatures
Viperkeeper is also a great venomous UA-camr that I've been following for years. He's a very serious man, but he is super educational and an outstanding snake keeper IMO. Unfortunately he has stopped making videos right now because his wife has become very ill.
venom man actually used to free handle them
Venom man is the dullest knife in the drawer but has some amazing animals.
@@benbarber2369why?
@@FirePuncher183 probably the free handling? Might be the dumbest thing a human can do lol.
This is infuriating on so many levels. I saw his posts on Instagram and I was telling everyone who would listen that this is going to end badly. And to know his snakes were poorly taken care of and then euthanized because of his irresponsibility drives me absolutely crazy.
Absolutely agree. Careless and disgusting.
I watched Viperkeeper's video about this, in which he appealed to viewers to send messages of support to Kentucky Reptile Zoo, who refused to supply the guy with antivenom. I immediately send them a supportive message. I only keep non venomous snakes, but I think anyone who keeps venomous should at the bare minimum have a starter dose of antivenom for the animals kept, together with a detailed treatment protocol. When I was in my teens I was given a major telling off by the head keeper at London zoo's reptile house: I had got to know one of the keepers, who said he could get me a pygmy rattler. The head keeper went ballistic - not surprising: imagine the newspaper headline: "Fifteen year old boy given deadly snake by London zoo"!!! I don't know who this guy is, but he sounds like the lowest of the low. How dare anyone attack a superb keeper such as yourself.
Unfortunately antivenom (depending on the state) is hard to acquire and also has an expiration date as well. No venomous keeper that I watch ( I watch a lot of responsible ones) keep antivenom. It’s unfortunate because I agree with you though, it would be great if they could have it.
@@ericjanos235Viperkeeper has his own antivenin for every species he deals with.
@@mikemayfield721 Yep, he sure does. And he has spoken about it many times through the years as well.
Agree
The one story I read, his father said police told him anti-venom was short because it was used for another bite in the prior months.
Whether it was misinterpreted from already in short supply and those that have will not release it's unknown
Just want to note for anyone reading. He meant that Taipans have the lowest LD50 of any snake. The lower the LD50 the higher the potency
Further more, what LD50 actually means is the dose at which 50% of test subjects (usually lab mice) die from the venom. So if you have 10 test subjects, and you inject each with 1 mL of a toxin, and 5 of them die, then that is your LD50 (lethal dose 50)
Thanks, that bugged me too.
hes an expert though lol
@aaronrandolph1267 yeah, I know. Wasn't trying to put him down in any way. He probably tried to dumb it down or misspoke. I don't know a lot about snakes, but I used to be a lab technician, so I know how LD50 works.
@@lupo3694 i was being very sarcastic. i watched him handle his taipans and it wasnt expert in any way. im not trying to put him down either but these guys and their egos are over the top. the only places that should be handling these animals are venom labs , universities and zoos.
Anybody that gets upset with you over this isn't even worthy of being taken seriously. This was a superb analysis of the situation at hand and your valuable experience and/or insight is most certainly appreciated. Keep up the great work, Joey!
Seems to me he was trying to pull some "Alpha male" BS and it could possibly cost him his life and DEFINITELY cost his animals their lives due to his negligence and irresponsibility. This is sad. Regardless of his poor decision making skills and need to "flex" for Instalikes? He's still a human being and I hope he pulls through this, but he certainly won't do so unscathed.
He's a prime example of when F around Avenue meets Find out Boulevard and he pimped himself on the corner.
Thank you for being responsible, Joey, and educating people and taking appropriate care of your snakes instead of just doing whatever you feel like doing for clout. You're one of the good ones. 🐍 😊
Love the analogy ❤😂😂😂
@@mott2945 Thanks! Hope it made you smile! 😊
Yes Jeff definitely had the toxic "alpha male" thing going. I suspect he won't learn his lesson if he lives, he will just try to sue over the confiscated snakes and move somewhere even less regulated and start again, likely being even more toxic, probably defanging his snakes so he can do stupid shit with them for views. The amount of defanged King Cobras on IG or YT these days is bad enough already.
😂 I really thought "fuck around and find out" throughout this. It's hard not to tbh, man did everything wrong and clearly didn't respect the animals
honestly i heard he had cancer which kind of puts things in to perspective (still a terrible situation though), he probably didnt really care too much about his life or (maybe even his snakes) or just didnt think too far ahead
I was one of the keepers he “tried” to defame. He tried to ruin my character but he failed. Doesn’t change the fact that he blasted me on a big platform. What he didn’t know is my tiktok had already passed him in followers. But i still never made a post. He deserved the bite, i saw what he said about you recently so i know you understand the type of person he is. Still to this day i never made a post about him, simply because i didn’t want him getting more attention. Nor did i want his name or face on my social media. You did a good job with this video. Most people are being fake and trying to post a positive story towards jeff. I respect the way you handled this. I wouldn’t be remotely respectful if i made a video. Which is mostly why i haven’t made a video.
Smart move dude, videos like these are like walking in a minefield
"Eventually, the snakes were secured and Leibowitz’s father gave Florence police permission to have them euthanized."
“Unfortunately, sometimes she tries to bite, but we’ve talked about it … They all give what they get. Give them lots of love, that’s what you’re going to get.”
This guy shouldn't have venomous snakes. Seems to treat them like dogs or cats.
Dude shouldn't have owned housecats either, given the state of his home and his general approach to animal welfare. I've already gleaned from the expos that Joey is a cut above the rest when it comes to humane, enriching and *safe* environments for the animals under his care, but I'm saddened to see an example of someone so far on the opposite side of the spectrum.
@@GSBarlev from what i understand he used to have a savannah cat but it died young
@simpled5755 it didn't simply "die young" so much as (from what i understand allegedly etc) it escaped and then was _shot by the police._ guy's got a history of letting the cops murder his animals in guess.
As a fellow venomous keeper I totally agree with your sentiments within this video. I too have experience with this individual. After seeing his reckless handling for the first time I happened to comment on a post on instagram. I noticed an avid breeder comment on it as well. He scolded and insulted the breeder calling him many names. He also stated since the breeder had no venomous experience he had no input. I happened to comment with my venomous experience not to be rude but I was also called many names as well. In my opinion I foresaw this happening like others and I believe he was keeping for all the wrong reasons. I could also tell he did not have the experience he would state by just repeating bad info and poor behavior reading in his videos.
Glad to know 99% of keepers are respectable and actually care about their animals. What types do you have?
and remember this guy also is a high school teacher.....we are in so much trouble...
Absolutely, most venomous keepers have upmost respect for their animals and have many bite protocols and safety mechanisms in place in case of a bite as well as I. Currently I keep many snakes currently only 3 species are venomous. I a cottonmouth , two insularis one green one blue, and a female waglers temple viper.
Finally, someone says it as it is. This guy was unbelievably reckless, reminds me of a local tarantula breeder who was caught poaching rattlesnakes to keep without his license.
I absolutely HATE that owning giant/deadly animals is treated like a status symbol.
Wdym. Everyone was saying it how it is. What's shocking to me is this guy gives Chandler and Tyler a pass when they're worse bc they're actual influencers with a large following.
@@Crotecainecowboy Remember how Chandler said he would never free handle again after he got bit lol? Also Tyler has way too many animals to be able to actually care for them properly. (might explain why he has pets die all the time) Tyler and Chandler both seem really scummy
@Djamieson713 I take it from this he's back to free handling? One of the first videos of his I saw he was free handling a Gaboon Viper and I commented that it's just a matter of time.
I’m so proud of you for making this video! We love you and stand with you always Joey !
I had never heard of this guy before but I looked and found a couple of his videos. Not only was he free handling the Taipan but he was petting a western Green Mamba like it was a puppy. Why did they even allow him to post reckless behavior like that. It's like posting videos of somebody playing Russian roulette. As I understand it, he'll probably be on kidney dialysis for the rest of his life.
Is he off the vent?
What’s the name of his UA-cam channel? Thank you.
Petting a green mamba? I don't even understand how people free handle venomous snakes. Yikes!
Been following this guy Jeff for a while. Was waiting for this to happen. He was just too care free. That’s what blows my mind. You saw it in those videos.
Greetings, Joey. This marks my initial encounter with your channel, and I must commend the UA-cam algorithm for this discovery. I found your video to be exceptionally well-executed. Although I no longer maintain venomous snakes or other animals due to my extensive travel commitments, I have a background as a zookeeper and park naturalist. My journey in this field began many years ago, with my first mentor being Bill Haast during my youth in Florida. His guidance significantly influenced my path, extending through my college years and beyond. I commend your dedication in producing this video and for providing your insightful commentary on this unfortunate and entirely preventable incident involving Jeff who, regrettably, received far more admiration than he deserved. It is unlikely that he will be able to continue handling snakes, given the health complications associated with such a bite, assuming he survives the ordeal. I look forward to following along as a new subscriber!
Completely off topic, but the way you write (or speak) is so intelligent ! Beautifully written 💕
@@kathyyy_ Blessings for your kind words, Kathy. Approximately twenty years ago, an editor advised me that in order to produce meaningful work in the diverse areas I have engaged with professionally, such as in reptile husbandry, I must refine my writing skills to match my spoken communication in academic settings, lectures, or client interactions. The recommendation was to engage in online writing, utilizing my naturally pedantic inclination to comment...LOL!!! Thank you once more for your thoughtful remarks...😊
One thing I like about your channel is that the entertainment mostly comes with the commentary and not from mistreating the animals
I totally agree. 99% of the time his snakes are inside their enclosures and he films from the other side. When he is working with them outside of the enclosures, he takes the correct safety measures.
Lowkey scared me that you got bit
It's hard to get bit when you don't do things that can result in you being bit.
@@L3adb3llyMurphy's Law exists.
I knew who it was about from jump since it was plastered all over Facebook. This dude actually handles his venomous snakes with caution
i thought it was venomman
@@semdonk6593 the last short of lamp mentioned jeff's name while he showed his inland taipan
Joey - I think you’ve done a very elegant job of covering this.
I stumbled across your channel a while back and loved your dry/ironic humour and quirk but really have appreciated the longer vids where you clearly emphasise education and respect for these beautiful creatures.
Now funny enough as an Aussie who just straight up respects ANY snake (well, any bitey things), this guy sounds like he is a candidate for the Darwin Award (stupidest way to die award)
I do not understand how this person can wilfully neglect his very creatures he also didn’t need anti venom for!?
I’m impressed he didn’t actually die given the duration of time without anti venom!
Antivenom - yeah it’s liquid gold here too!
We give this stuff when we have a symptomatic patient, and ONLY when we have expert advice.
Not only is anti venom expensive, but not without its own risks. People can have quite significant reactions (including full blown anaphylaxis/life threatening allergy) and it’s not like every Aussie has a slab of beer in the fridge alongside some antivenom “just in case”.
If we have beloved pets that get snake bites many vets may not have anti venom and even very basic things to reverse the bleeding effects of some venom were at one point in worldwide shortage.
Polyvalent antivenom is a LAST resort and gets used when we really cannot narrow down the type of snake we suspect is causing the symptoms.
I’ll say it now - this guy sounds like he is an absolute menace and I do not pity this idiot.
My tolerance for animal cruelty does not exist.
He did not deserve to have multiple ampoules of anti venom.
He also has taken up an ICU space that someone else who really needed it, taken up a dialysis machine, taken up countless staff, and if he does survive, will be an ongoing blight on humanity due to requiring extremely complex medical needs.
I rarely comment on this sort of space but as someone within the healthcare realm and living in the venomous epicentre……
THIS GUY SUCKS.
Thank you for bringing brave enough to post about this. After how he viciously attacked you online. I truly hope the laws do not change but I do hope he is banned from owning any animal ever again!
I agree with you on how crazy he handlles his snakes. I watched his video of him handling a gaboon. OMG. So crazy stupid!!!! And I also watched the baby Taipan video. One thing that bothers me is people are heavily criticizing Kentucky zoo for not handing over their expensive antivenin. People need to remember zoos purchase the anti venom for their employees. People who keep venomous snakes should be responsible and buy their own anti venom before you get the snake!!!!!!
Maybe the cost of the venomous snake should include a vial of the anti-venom depending on the snake. Something the venomous snake community could/should put into place themselves.
@@P2Zipdefinitely. Over here in Europe you can get a lot of cobras for 100-200€. It’s ridiculous
Saw your reddit post and was waiting for this to come out. Great video Joey 🤌
You and Viperkeeper have some of the best takes on the situation.
Thank you making this about education, I think that going forward, this is a tragic but important opportunity to help the community become more safe in practice, come together, and support having better bite protocol standards. Praying for Jeff’s recovery and wishing for him to have an opportunity to turn this into something that will help prevent others from this happening to them.
Snakes missing from the list the media mentioned were surrendered and euthanized from his collection:
At least 2 boomslangs
2 puff adders
A stiletto snake
A Jameson mamba
O_O I thought about EMS when someone said he hadn't told them it was his Taipan that hit him, but oml the poor ppl called on to clean up that mess.
A stiletto??? Yikes...how can anyone handle one of those safely at all?
I’m glad you decided to make this, I saw your Reddit post but it was locked by then.
I know this isn’t necessarily a video you wanted to make, but loved this format and your story telling
In Japan, we heard nothing about this. I am glad you are okay and hope Jeffrey will make a full recovery. Very very sad to hear his animals were not so fortunate.
Too many daredevils in this world, who want attention and take enormous risks for that, with their own lives a secondary concern.
Thank you for talking about this.
Addendum: There is an old saying in aviation, and it's the reason I'm still alive and healthy: "There are old pilots and there are bold pilots, but there are no old, bold pilots."
Yes, I was never a "bold pilot." But I did fly! Really! I have photos!
The Colorado Herpetological Society, which I belonged to decades ago (1970s), had at least one member with O- blood type deliberately getting bitten in controlled conditions in an effort to provide antivenin to people with horse allergies. The focus was on local species (rattlesnakes and I think he did a coral snake as well). I didn't hear how that effort turned out. Likely other techniques eliminated the need.
It's also sad that Kentucky Reptile Zoo has been being attacked with bad reviews and people bashing them
Yup it is, Kristin and Jim are really good folks and run a good outfit. The screwup on Jeff’s part wasn’t necessarily an emergency on KRZ part..
You don’t just love them, you respect them. You respect them as living beings that have needs and requirements for their care, treatment and handling. He didn’t.
This! 👆
👏👏 💯
@@Snake_Therapy Is that meant for me or the jacka$$?
@@Snake_Therapy I really don’t understand who you’re 🖕 to.
My heart breaks for those poor little guys
Hard to believe they are all gone.
You're the only person I know and watch who makes content like this. I discovered you years ago when i got recommended a post on insta, but didn't know you had a youtube, nor could i remember the name. With that said, i certainly respect you alot, and while not having any snakes myself, i would love to keep some. But aside from finances, I worry about being able to keep them properly, and it utterly baffles me that someone would just toy with multiple lives like that, human and non-human. Those animals definitely deserved better.
When I heard about this I had to verify that it wasn't my favorite talking lamp.
Where do you live that you need to actively avoid taipans? Doubt you live in the central desert or in the sugar cane fields of Bundaberg.
@@keanuhvh What are you talking about?
@@Strykeninethey’re replying to someone else and commented to you on accident.
Just as an update for you his serval that got out was hunted and killed by local police. If it’s the one I am thinking that got out last month local news confirmed it was killed. Best of luck on the move and maybe I’ll see you around if you’re near Rock Hill!
That was the second time it escaped.
The pet servals are even more infuriating than irresponsible snake keepers. Servals are a threatened species and most ones in the pet trade are illegally wild caught, primarily for use in breeding Savannah cats (Serval/domestic cat hybrid, the world's most expensive pet cat).
@@mrvwbug4423 thats just straight up false.
Servals are actively and responsibly bred and kept in captivity and are listed on the IUCN red list of threatend spiecies as least concern.
Serval people are crazy. Even more so than hots people I feel. Like I understand why people would would want a serval, but the majority I see are kept like house cats who go on walks and come out to the backyard. I feel like at a minimum people should be building a zoo enclosure for them and feeding live prey every so often.
@@Nephthys575 To be fair the IUCN red list also says Anodorhynchus glaucus is "Critically endangered".
Just wanted to thank you for speaking candidly and for adding some background on Leibowitz.
I stand with Kentucky Reptile Zoo.
As an Australian I can say that this man’s actions and attitude towards our snakes is idiotic.
In the country areas (I’m from regional/rural Western Australia) we are taught from a young age not to mess with them and if you leave them alone then they will usually just leave because they don’t want to be near humans.
To think that you are a god like being who will never get bit and that people who don’t do things the same way are cowards is just disgusting narcissism.
I don’t blame the people for denying him their anti-venom, it’s difficult to get here in Australia so I can imagine how much worse it is in the US.
I’m not wishing him any ill will but he fucked around and found out, other people shouldn’t be put in danger because he is suffering from the consequences of his actions.
I always find it incredulous how easy it is for people in the US to keep Australian animals that we can’t even keep legally here in our own country.
I don’t want our laws to change so people can keep these as pets, it’s just absolutely wild how different our countries deal with wildlife.
Again, I’m not wishing him harm, I just understand why other people declined his pleas for the anti-venom.
Because America is a third world country. Many states don’t ban owing exotic animals. Many people have tigers in their backyard zoos. The hyper libertarian US legal system means that unless it’s explicitly banned than you can do it.
Yeah, pretty much every Australian kid learns IN SCHOOL how not to be an idiot aroubd our native animals that can kill you. A big part of not being an idiot is not going anywhere near em.
Thank you for the video! I’m glad to hear from voices in the community about this, doubly so due to the interactions you’ve had (and his name calling and personal attacks to you on facebook). I’m glad to have found your channel!!
as a south carolinian, i’m sorry about any potential laws that come into place due to one idiots complacency. we do not claim him(as you said, he recently moved here.) hope your move, if it still happens, goes well.
there are 3 types of snake toxins 1. Neurotoxic Venom
Effects: Paralysis, convulsions or rapid muscle twitching, difficulty breathing and other respiratory issues
Deadly? In many cases, yes.
2. Cytotoxic venom
Effects: Severe pain, swelling of area surrounding bite, necrosis (death of tissue)
Deadly? Yes, but less-so than the other types of venom
3. Hemotoxic Venom
Effects: Swelling, internal bleeding, hemorrhaging, necrosis
Deadly? Yes
P.S. for those that want to know what it`s venom does
The inland taipan can strike multiple times in one attack, and it strikes with extreme precision and speed. their venom covers every angle imaginable, with the first ingredient being potent anticoagulants. These attack fibroagulin, the main clotting protein in the bloodstream.
However, the main weapon is two separate classes of neurotoxins. The postsynaptic neurotoxins act more slowly, but cut off the signals between the brain and the wider body, leading to muscle weakness and ultimately paralysis. The pre-synaptic neurotoxins are weaker, but act more rapidly, leading to two separate waves of taipan doom. These neurotoxins respond very poorly to antivenom, whereas anticoagulants are easier to treat in a hospital bed.
Some of the specific toxins in this death juice are oxylepitoxin-1, alpha-oxytoxin 1, alpha-scutoxin 1, β-bungarotoxin and α-bungarotoxin. The venom is also loaded with mylotic enzymes which help to digest the animal’s flesh before the snake has even swallowed it.
To perfect this evil elixir, there’s enzymes called hyaluronidases, which dissolve the hyaluronic acid in your skin. Hyaluronic acid is one of the prized ingredients of modern moisturisers, but the snake’s goal is to allow extra fast absorption for its venom. Inland taipan venom isn’t notable for kidney-destroying toxins - that’s the one feature they’re missing.
It seems at least with some north american pit vipers that the venom composition within a species can vary between snakes that seem to be the same species, but from different regions. I do not know if this is true, but anyway this idiot is on kidney dialysis. So one way or another that inland taipan bite caused it.
Dude, you're the only snaketuber I watch...found you about a month ago...love all your videos. I'm tall and skinny too, girls love it! Tell Steve and Hillary I said hello!
When I subbed to CallMeTheLamp, I started getting recommendations for other snake handling videos. I don't remember their names, but I remember the gross negligence, the horrible care conditions and the *sometimes deliberate* showcases of animal cruelty. I reported those creators, and now the only reptile keepers I see are Joey and Leafy Street.
i had multiple conversations with jeff where he absolutely acted as if inlands could not be so venomous cause it hasnt killed anybody.
Inlands haven't killed anybody ... yet, he might be the first. That is only because they're known for being shy and reclusive snakes that don't live near populated areas in the wild.
Bro 💀 they haven’t killed anyone because they’re skittish and remote right? And the handlers of captive ones are normally not stupid…
“And the handlers of captive olds are normally not stupid” - most bites are from people handling them. There was one in Australia where a guy was letting it slither its head over his fingers..then it bit his thumb. Unfortunately almost all bites are people doing things like that.
Yeah, inland taipan territory is very remote, harsh country even by Australian standards. Interactions with people are pretty much limited to those who actually go looking for them. How this bloke could claim they aren’t that dangerous just because they haven’t killed anybody is the height of ignorance. The coastal taipan has killed numerous people, especially up in PNG, and the inland is rated higher toxicity.
I think it should be legal to keep these animals if someone wants to, but the owner must must buy the antivenom and have it on hand incase of a bite.
It is illegal to export Australian native animals. So there is some smuggling involved - probably by organised crime.
@@madrabbitwomanyeah and also alot of the animals were captive bred, but smuggling is still happening and should be stopped.
Tyler has talked about that. Most places you can’t keep anti venom because it is a prescription medication. That is why most venomous keepers I know say to start with local species so the hospitals will have the anti venom on hand.
Or just focus on local venomous snakes so the antivenin doesn’t have to be flown from a facility halfway across the world or taken from a zoo…
I discussed all this with a person who introduced me to your content… But you are a man who loves his snakes, and your snakes know that.
Kraity Perry is the biggest example of the love and care you give for a snake that I can think of. You’re a kind soul who works hard for the ones under your care.
Thanks for the additional insight. I appreciated the rather unbiased view you brought to this event, despite the online beef the person in question was trying to start. You are an excellent ambassador for the venomous reptile community. While I'm personally skeptical about most people's ability to keep venomous snakes, your content helps me keep an open mind. I would be interested in content on why you've keep the the reptiles you keep. Also, Harold Tiberius Snakeworth (the Cali King snake I share my office with) says hi...
I’m glad you’re taking precautions and getting some anti venom. There was a fireman in Fairborn, Ohio who died from a bite over 20 years ago from a Viper he’d had for 12 years. He was actually a responsible keeper. He just bumped his elbow when he was putting it back into the enclosure after cleaning if. He died shortly before the anti venom was delivered.
Holy fuck I need to start working in anti-venom production
Get in touch with the Commonwealth serum Laboratory, CSL ,part of the CSIRO , and maker of Many Poly Venines , MELB AUSTRALIA, they have a deal, with the Papuan Government, as now The Coastal Taipan Oxyuranus Scutellatus Papuan Coastal Taipan Oxyuranus Scutellatus/kanahi, The Common Death Adder Acanthophis Antarcticus, and also 2nd deadliest snake on earth The Eastern Brown PsudonajaTextillis, so we sell them a lot of antivenine, good deal too , but a lot goes missing , sold under the jump , it's so corrupt ,but you may get the distribution licence , good luck
Hmu if you do so I can start a bite insurance company
Typically low demand with very high overhead.
@P2Zip yeah but when you need it YOU NEED IT
The Inland Taipan is one, if not my favorite snake species as they are known to have a really docile nature while carrying all that power. I think that says a lot about the true nature of this animal.
I'd love to have a pet snake some day (probably something like a Ball Python), but before jumping into it, I am ensuring I do all the research I can and have an enclosure that will ensure they have the best life possible.
I appreciate all that you do with your videos!
Thanks for sharing this video and also just wanted to add - you are very well spoken!
I dont understand keeping venemous snakes at all. Why would you want a pet that is incapable of bonding or showing affection? You're just babysitting something that, best case scenario, doesn't care that you exist. You can't even handle the damn things. Just collect art if you want something pretty to look that that you can't touch.
Very well explained Joey. I watched some of his videos and it’s a miracle he isn’t already pushing up daisy’s. That being said, maybe instead of him coming at you, he could have learned to handle them safely. Oh well, ain’t karma a bitch
Very well said. i am personally scared of snakes, but i enjoy the fact you share the beauty in them and i really appreciate the knowledge you share and even the safety aspect you show in the videos keep it up
As a Carolinian I don't really like the idea of people bringing Taipans here. This is my opinion, don't crucify me.
They should be required to obtain a permit and have the snakes housed in escape-proof rooms like many other states require.
Right
All we need is those things to escape and they take over our south
Nobody’s crucifying you bro….You think I want taipans in my neighborhood ?
I agree look at the Everglades here in Colorado we only have small rattlesnakes but if someone wanted to bring in a western diamond back for a pet I would object .its like I said in another video there might be nice tigers but I'm not petting any and I dont want my nieghbors having one as a pet
@@prickly_procyonids I would accept this
this message deserves so much attention, it’s really relevant to everyone
Glad to see this video! I got banned for commenting on the "drama" lol
Thanks for making this video. It's very important to give the context of an event like this for people who are unfamiliar with snake keeping. I think many people don't understand that antivenom doesn't repair damage that has already occurred, it can only stop further damage which is why it must be administered ASAP after a bite.
OK I don't understand why anyone would want to keep venomous snakes, but you do you. What I can say is that from what I have seen of your set up and the way you work, you are aware that these reptiles can and will put you in the ground. They are fast and have different attitudes. It would be a shame if a Steve Irwin wannabe screws it up for sensible caring snake owners
Extremely well articulated and explained. Many of my thoughts on the matter have already been stated in previous comments here, but I wanted to say that as someone who spends most of their time working to educate people about the value of these animals and why we should *respect* them, learn from them, and aspire for the highest welfare possible in keeping them, this whole situation hits hard. And the thing is, any snake, hot or not, that is kept in poor conditions and handled with disregard could be expected to react negatively and bite- and the fault NEVER lies on the snake. But if you’re going to do so with a species that can kill you, then you don’t really deserve help from others when things go sour. It should be looked at as a privilege to keep these animals, not a right. And yet that privilege can be taken away thanks to ego-driven recklessness like his.
I don’t work with Venomous species, but this situation could affect us all, and only reinforces the negative bias towards snakes in the general populous that people like you and I are trying to remove. Thank you for speaking about this knowledgeably and without sensationalism. I’ve followed you on IG for a while but am now subscribed here because of that.
Yes took a lot of guts to make this video!! I’m glad u did
I have to admit I was a subscriber. Hearing the different perspectives now makes me feel like I encouraged him by watching the videos. Terrible situation and a silly guy but it's his snakes that have paid the price.
I am an Australian snake handler living in Cairns, QLD, AUS. I work for a volunteer wildlife service relocating snakes and other reptiles. I have all the required state and federal accreditation certificates and 25+ experience. All the said I am strongly opposed to our poly and monovalent anti-venoms leaving the country to be wasted on private keepers who should never be in possession of these awesome snakes.
These anti venoms should be kept for the following circumstances:
1) incidental bites to the public.
2) bites to accredited handlers involved with wildlife programs.
3) accidental bites to handlers working in production anti venoms.
4) accidental bites to accredited research persons.
5) accidental bites to accredited zoological staff.
As can be seen there are many legitimate handlers / public who may require this precious anti-venom and these people deserve the anti-venom more than persons who like to play with snakes 🐍.
As an Australian who has been bitten and also had to DEMAND a local hospital carry out full Snakebite protocols because I looked at the bite and figured only one fang made full contact and the other did a scratch: I am going to say that snakes are like a venomous scared creature who wants to escape. If they cannot escape you're going to get killed, I personally met the late great Ram Chandler in person, I also was told to consider every snake I see as a threat to my life and stay away. Never had a snake chase me down. They go the other way.
I been watching viper keeper for years and he seems to be the "Gold Standard" of professional venomous snake handling... and I think it is crazy lol. will check out your channel
You’ve ALWAYS come off as Responsible 💯I hope his actions don’t make your transition to South Carolina difficult. Please keep informing Venomous Snake owners the RIGHT way to do it❤
Hands down, you're the best. If I had any questions it would be your brain id trust over anyone. I know I don't personally know you but I have nothing but respect for you. You don't take stupid chances. Live long and prosper bud.
You speak with such intelligence on this and you now have a new subscriber, I am also from South Carolina and I wish you well in your end endeavor.
Good on you for putting it out there, my man. People should know when a keeper is not worthy of affecting the reputation of a hobby. Just because HE is incapable, guys like you, and Tyler, and Chandler, and Stone, are more than capable of doing this, and you are all prepared to accept the consequences for your own actions. Keep doing what you do, bro!!!
Great video and great take on this situation. I’m with you that there is a safe way to keep venomous and the old “Not if but when “ axiom does not have to be true.
I’ve met people with 20+ years of venomous experience that never got bit and people who got bit multiple times over just a few years. It just comes down to how one decides to handle them and take risks.
I’m around 8 years into venomous keeping without a bite and hope to keep it that way. 😅
I was shamefully gleeful about Jeff's fate when I heard how he behaved towards the community... I'm not ashamed anymore now I've heard how he kept his animals.
Thanks for posting such an educating and enlightening video! Don’t be ashamed or feel bad for saying what very much needs to be said. “Leave it it the professionals!”
Yeah, Chandler and Tyler are experts both missing a finger because they were free handling cobras.
I can't stand how cocky Tyler and Chandler are. Both are bastards.
I mean chandler didn’t free hand the Indian cobra it switched around on him, secondly you try and hook a huge king cobra and see if it’s easy
Some time ago the algorithm gave me a short clip from you. I don’t know anything about keeping snakes but I liked the way you acted with them. When I checked out you channel I saw that you have a great deal of respect for them. They have a nice enclosure and you handle them with care. That’s a good start in not getting bitten. I saw the photo of the inland taipan that bit Jeff. It is tiny … I do hope he gets better and maybe this is something to learn from.
5:55 clearly they're not. They've both been bit bc of negligence. You want to talk reckless. Chandler is just as bad if not worse for the hobby than Jeff. His fanbase is children. Did you see his video of him pregaming beers before the croc capture that nearly killed him? Recklessly he continued to capture the croc and posted it for all the children to see. I'm sick of people giving those two a pass bc of their status. Speak up. Its ok. Chandler smokes while freehandling on video and when the filmer said she was worried he said something that Jeff would've said. You don't have to pretend they'r ok. Tyler can't even keep his animals alive. He froze his black dragons bc he was too messed up on drugs to bring them in during the freeze. Why are these guys our influencers?
Well said, and I agree 100%.
Chandler does more for these venomous snakes then all of you combined. His education of them goes miles and miles to your nowhere of even who any of who you other keepers are. I without Chandler would picket and rally each and everyone one you be banned from EVER owning these snakes in the USA. I m being a RN took care of an idiot that was bit by a gaboon viper from a side show in Stanton, Missouri. You all need to thank him
Dude love your channel and you are definitely one of the best out there.
This video is also an incredible example of how knowledgeable and plugged-in to the hobby responsible keepers are....and should be sent to legislators to consider both sides.
Joey: First time commenter - I respect your words and logic. I agree with you 1000% This incident could have been prevented by safe handling techniques. I have seen this mans channel and how he free handles the most venomous snakes and how he brags & condems others for not being as brazen as he. He is not the only snake handler who has done this - those people met their fate. Their is a verse in the Bible that talk about people being to big for their Britches.
" Pride cometh before the Fall " May we pray for God's Mercy for this man 😢.
I think I speak for a lot of Australians when I say that it is incredibly enraging to see our native animals not being cared for overseas. To all the good keepers, there's a lot of love and support for you. But when you see someone mistreating our animals, it really makes your blood boil. You often see articles in our media here about people mistreating emus, kangaroos, native lizards etc. I remember one guy in Florida was killed by his pet cassowary a year or two ago. Why would anyone keep a cassowary?!?! 😳
This is my first video to watch of yours and I think it is great! You did great thoroughly explaining the situation and helping me understand more about the venumous snake keeping community. I do watch Tyler and Chandler and I like them both very much as they are not beginners claiming to be experts and they always give warnings and tips. As far as I know they are both South Florida boys and have grown up with reptiles/animals of many species. If anyone is upset with you over this video, I say Let It Go...I thought it was great!
Hi an Australian here. How do you get hold of a Taipan in another country. The Australian government is very strict on who it would permit these native animals to be exported too. Are they illegally obtained? I live in North Queensland, Coastal Taipan country and grew up on a sugar cane farm, and came across many venomous snakes including taipans. Taipans are very smart and very quick, I personally would not go near one. My cousin was bitten by a taipan in the 1980's while swimming in our farm Dam, between the toes. He manged to live thanks to an Australian Snake Expert Called Ram Chandra (dec), who came to the hospital and advised the Doctors on which Antivenom to administer. Ram was bitten many times by Taipan's through out his life. A very unpredictable and aggressive snake in the wild.
It's in the pet trade and bred in the us. No idea how exactly it started but some states in the us its illegal some require permits but some have no laws. It depends who has it whether or not it is illegal or legal.
Venomman 20 is one of my favorite you tubers he does not freehandle for vieiewers ❤❤❤ I just found your channel got yourself a new follower 😊
incidents like this are exactly why Australia is so strict when it comes to keeping reptiles, we are just as strict about keeping reptiles as we are about guns and it is for everybody's safety.
For my state of NSW specifically, it is broken down as follows;
all reptile keepers must have a licence, and report annually any animals that were born, died, bought and sold. For potentially dangerous/venomous species (crocodiles and monitor lizards included) you need to have a class 2 licence.
Class 2 licenses have three levels, each with its own prerequisites, and determine which reptiles you can keep.
To get Class 2 Level 1 license, you need a basic license for at least 2 years, be over 18, provide two written recommendations, have certified first aid training for snake bites, keep necessary first aid equipment near the reptile enclosure, and have the required facilities and equipment. Your house will be fully inspected before obtaining a C2.
For Class 2, levels 2 and 3, you need at least 12 months of experience caring for less dangerous venomous species before upgrading. If your license expires or is revoked, you have to start the process again. In some cases of a revoked license, you may not get a C2 again.
There is a big difference between venomous snakes and guns. But there is similarity and that poor safety practices with either can result in injury or death.
A gun does not have free will or the ability to inflict damage until something else usually a human causes the trigger to pulled.
Guns do not reproduce or go crawl off and hide. It is legally dangerous instrumentality. In USA possession is protected within limits by law. There is no such legal protection for exotic venomous snakes. The USA was founded in revolution and not by deported convicts. We kicked the minions of King George out of our country. We are citizens and not subjects.
I am definitely not in favor of exotic animals being kept in the USA by individuals. Even in universities things can get sloppy. I remember a building when I was graduate student that had all sorts of critter from boas to a small rodents from Montana in the walls. The rodent was used to study sleeping sickness and some escaped.
Well spoken,Joey. I hope that Jeff makes a reasonable recovery. He took the risks and he paid the price for it.
Hopefully this humbles him up a little.
One can free handle a Taipan or a a Black Mamba but one does not free handle Lil Man.
Even Chandler doesn't handle his Taipan without hooks, and usually only opens the enclosure just enough to get prey items in via long tongs. And with his Black Mambas, he will handle Allison with hook, but will not handle Koby at all, he uses a lockbox hide for Koby when he needs to get into the enclosure. The only really dangerous snake he has that he will semi-free handle is Justina, but he has also handled king cobras for many years and doesn't get complacent. His one bite was a wild cobra and was just bad luck, the snake started to act up and as he went to drop it it tagged his finger on the way down.
@@mrvwbug4423 To add onto this with Justina. He did try to hook with either Justina or Kevin, think it was Kevin, and all it did was just really piss them off because there is just no hooks big enough or designed in a way to not dig into a larger heavier bodied or longer snake like the King cobras. Hooks are great tools, but they are really not the most comfortable for the snake if its the wrong size or used incorrectly.
@@mrvwbug4423he also always takes full responsibility for that bite, for putting that snake in that position, and shows respect to his own snakes and how dangerous they are. Then there’s this guy trying to say that if you love them enough they won’t bite you and they aren’t dangerous at all. If you can’t show basic respect to the power of these animals you have no business owning them and especially not free handling, full stop.
Who (or what) is "Lil Man"?
@@crocodile1313Joey’s Collared Lizard, they’re just joking since he’s not very menacing or dangerous
Great video, what's funny is how some derided the toxicity of the Inland Taipen saying it was overblown a few years ago, however now some of these are all aboard LOL.
Jeff- 'anti-venom is for pu55ie5...'
Inland Taipan- takes that personally... 😂
All of that guys IG, UA-cam videos are super cringey
Great to see you have a genuine passion for these venomous snakes. Keeping an ' Inland Taipan ' is for the experienced handler. NO beginner or intermediate. Living here in South Australia and thinking way up North East where the borders of Queensland, Northern Territory and South Australia meet, the lovely Inland Taipan lays. I've never seen one not even in a Zoo but might just because it's a bit of a special snake. Kudos to you Joey with your professional approach. This Jeff guy who let himself get bitten, like you said is sooooo lucky it was just a bub and not an adult or even a teenager. 9 hours into a bite from a virtual new born !/ he should count his lucky stars. I do know right from birth Inlands can deliver a full toxic bite, albeit low yield but still enough to kill without anti venom. Joey, like you said had it been a fully grown adult with full yield I think he would have been dead as a door nail in well under 45 minutes, and quite possibly experience the effects of the venom within 30 minutes, thats organ shut down etc !?
I hope you enjoy SC. I've lived here for 20 years, and never get tired of it.
Hi, new to your long form videos, but have enjoyed your shorts. I truly appreciate your insights on this situation. We only have a chill ball python, but because we wanted all the snake content of value, we discovered you! While you make jokes, it always seems to us that you're careful and respectful to the animals in your care. You provide a good example for our 11yo daughter who wants to take the best care of our newest family member, Pepper. Thank you for all that you do, educating and entertaining.
I've seen some of Jeff's videos and it was dangerous the way he was handling the snakes (one specifically with a rattlesnake). As far as free handling, Tyler and Chandler have both lost fingers (absolutely no disrespect to either because I respect them both alot). Chandler also has committed to not free handling as much or at all. I genuinely hope Jeff gets better soon, the inland taipan is so dangerous. I respect how carefully you handle these snakes and I hope when you move, it won't be difficult
Chandler def still free handles. Maybe not as much tho
Chandler is a total tool, so is Tyler, both are bad for the hobby
@@unleashed82 sure does.
@@joesaiditstrue he's passionate for sure. I wouldn't go as far as insulting him personally.
I have... issues with Chandler. I have zero idea what he does with his animals, but when Chris Gillette was working with Aries, he could feed him by hand, touch him on the head, and has at least one video where he pulled a loose tooth (they shed them regularly) while he was sitting still. With Chandler he's constantly in attack mode. It just doesn't sit right with me.
Agree with you 100%. I lived in SC for 25 years and only kept hot snakes after spending a year and a half mentoring with a friend before he allowed me to purchase my first hot snake. I feel bad for the community as a whole because laws may get passed that will ruin it for the rest of us. I currently live in Virginia where the localities control who keeps what. I checked all the existing laws before I moved and ending up rehoming my venomous snakes with reliable individuals because the city I was moving to did not allow venomous snakes. The whole situation is sad. I hope he learned his lesson.
Sidenote: Jeffery is very lucky that it wasn't an adult Taipan (Inland or otherwise). The adult snake's venom has a hemocoagulant property, but due to the (relative) low venom yield the effect on humans is to use up the clotting factor in a person's blood, basically causing internal bleeding/'hemophilia' alongside the neurotoxic effects and magnifying the strain on the kidneys.
*Addenda to the above: I don't have the relevant research at hand for taipans, but based on the testimony in the video it seems like the nature of the venom changes as they mature, much like in the related Eastern Brown Snake (Pseudonja textilus). It's known that in the Eastern Brown their diet shifts from small reptiles to rodents as they mature, and their venom composition shifts from straight neurotoxin to heamocoagulant with the change in diet, and I know that adult taipans have the same heamocoagulant mechanism in their venom, but I don't know anything about what their venom is like when they're hatchlings.
I'm a fan of reptiles and reptile keeping in general but never personally kept any. I'm happy you made this video, these insane people can completely destroy a hobby in no time...
It looks like all of his serious hot ones are adolescent / younger. The fer de lance, forest cobras, and inland taipan were all pretty small that I've seen.
Were, they're all dead now. So not even a chance for those snakes to be placed in a zoo or with a responsible keeper.
That is sooo lucky. For him, not for them. And I guess their breeders, but doesn't sound like they did good research either
Just was saying I would guess that he is pretty inexperienced with them. But maybe I'm wrong. And seems like he takes some sort of medication. He called it like fuckall or something. Guessing it makes him not care about anything / numbs his critical thinking process.
Based on what Joey is saying here it sounds like he went on a spree and bought a ton of snakes at once and didn’t have the facilities for them, which checks out with them all being younger.
Love love love this video...great info and straight to the point!!!