Nord Keyboard Discovery B3 Organ Settings for A Whiter Shade of Pale [Procol Harum]
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2024
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This video demonstrates the settings for your Nord Keyboard for the B3 Organ parts. If you have a Nord Stage or Nord Electro keyboards, it's very likely these settings will work for you if you are trying to replicate the sounds from the original song "A Whiter Shade Of Pale" from the group Procol Harum.
I focused only on the right hand for this video and the sound settings for the B3 on the Nord Stage 3. If you want to learn the entire song (the organ part) you may find the links below helpful.
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== Links mentioned in this video ==
🔗 Learn how to play A Whiter Shade of Pale: • A Whiter Shade Of Pale...
🔗 Great organ performance: • A Whiter Shade of Pale...
🔗 Procol Harum - A Whiter Shade of Pale, live in Denmark 2006: • Procol Harum - A White...
== Credits =
🔗 Breakdown of the organ settings: procolharum.com/awsop_reg-cer...
🔗 Second-Hand Songs (Other Artists that have recorded A Whiter Shade of Pale): secondhandsongs.com/performan...
🔗 Image Thumbnail and "Behind the Song" article: americansongwriter.com/lyric-...
🔗 A Whiter Shade of Pale drawbar settings:
www.keyboardservice.com/Drawba...
📖 Section breakdown
0:00 Intro, greeting, B3/Stage 3
1:09 About the channel and why this video
2:03 Setup on Nord the Stage 3
5:49 Performance
6:59 Interpretation: Make it your own
8:14 Next Steps on your journey
10:05 Thank you, more to come
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Thanks Marc, this is awesome, such a great song, and you really show how we can set up our stage 3 to re-create such classic sounds. I'm still barely new to the stage 3 so these videos are really special for me to follow along with. You hit the spot with this one.
Hi Paul! I'm so happy this one "hit the spot" for you! This song is truly a classic (and there are so many like it to explore in the future). Thanks for watching and stay tuned...
Great job Marc, thanks a lot. Looking forward to your next releases! Have a great day 👍👍
Thank you Cees. Have a great day too! 😄
Awesome job once again Marc. Thank you. Have to agree with the Denmark performance.....wow. Love the organ settings...spot on.
Hi Michael! Ya, that Denmark performance is something else and I love the slower tempo and the expressive piano playing he's doing with it too. Then to have the choir kick in just brings it over the top. Oh, and there is a sample on our Nord keyboards that sound a bit similar to that choir. The name of the sample is called "Choir Mixed Soft" and it's pretty darn close to what you hear on that video. I guess I have a vivid imagination but my brain picked it out for some reason. 🤷
Magnifique! This is one of most beautiful song I heard in my younger days, that we need to listen to more often in our older days ! Great for the soul ! Wonderful sound Thank you so much! for sharing your amazing talent!
Thank you so much fotolive! I completely agree with your statement here - "... heard in my younger days, that we need to listen to more often in our older days!" A good song will last through the ages and this one is no exception. Take care and thanks for watching!
Amazing as always!
Thanks, Carlos and thanks for watching!
Love the organ settings videos! I'm in a band and trying to learn more about the B3 engine every day.
Hi Daniel! Yes, the B3 is a good thing to learn - used on a lot of songs in a lot of places! Thanks for stopping by - glad you like the video.
absolutely outstanding........
Hi Thomas! Thanks so much - hope you're still lovin' your C2D!
Finally! An accurate transcription of the organ intro!
Thank you Simeon! You have good eyes and ears... 😎
Hey man, I love your lessons!!!
Glad you like them! Thanks for watching!
Thanks again Mike. You make this world a better place!
Thanks Nico! That is quite a compliment! Oh, and my official name is "Marc" - but it's funny just how many people call me Mike for some reason. No worries though, I know who you're talking about 😄
@@MyKeysToMusic Sorry about the name - it's Marc behing the mike of course :-)
And yes - if all people were into music like you do, war would be really over...
@@NL355 I agree Nico! Music makes the difference!
Hi Marc, thanks again (as always), I’ve been playing this song in my local duo on my new Electro 6 but didn’t quite have the sound right, now I have! Looking forward to playing it on my NS3 as well when my new band gets going!
Hi Stewart! Always good to talk with you. Hey, perfect timing on this! I love the stories that help people move forward. Nice to hear about a new band starting up and with the NS3 at that. Enjoy the song - it really is terrific. Not sure if we should thank good ol' Bach or Procol Harum. I guess we'll thank both! 😄
Thanks, Marc.
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Thank you, Marc - I learnt how to play this part several years ago, but have never come anywhere near close to the actual sound. Good to see a simulation using the power of the B3 organ. :)
Hey, Mark, so cool! Well, I learned how to play the part 1 week ago (ha ha) - I'm definitely a late bloomer on most of this stuff - but catching up fast. Like you, I'm happy to see the B3 shine a bit here as well. 😎
I couldnt agree more! This was indeed better than what my best guess was. I covered this awhile ago and now back at it again, and happier to sound better this time.
@@rebeccadudley7669 Glad to know this helped you guys! I just watched the live from Denmark version again - man it's soo good!
Thanks for the info. Great video. Greetings from Denmark.
Glad it was helpful!
This makes my day! Thank you for doing this, Marc. I am really enjoying these "discovery" videos:)
Thank you, Rebecca! Always great to hear from you - glad you are enjoying them. 😄
@@MyKeysToMusic Hey, Mark, check out my comment /question under your THX Discovery vid. Its been tickling my brain lately. Also, some of us truly need you to translate the Owner Manual for us. I put my NS3 away for a year after I bought it because I was so overwhelmed by it! LOL You are the best!
Thanks Rebecca! (responding to this 10 months later because YT doesn't always notify creators on responses of responses).
@@MyKeysToMusic Too funny! SO long ago I dont remember making the comment :) Thank you for your diligence in keeping up with it all!
@@LadyBGoode-gr8wm Thanks Lady B!
Oh yes! such a classic :)
Completely Agree Lior!
Good job 💢💥
Thank you!
You're welcome 👍👍
Quel grand pédagogue !
Merci pour vos chaleureux commentaire!
English: "Thank you for your warm comment!"
i was just trying to replicate the sound yesterday what a coincidence
Annen - Perfect timing then. Glad to hear it!
Marc, thank you for a great tutorial on the sound construction for this song. I would love to get the lower manual settings for this also as i believe the lower manual has different drawbar settings. I will disagree on one thing however, i believe the rotary speaker was never in the off, but on slow, every time i saw them live and even on video. I think the slow setting is more flowing, when the left hand is applied with chords. Just MHO. Great job! will be watching more of your Nord videos!
@M G Thanks for your comment there. Unfortunately, I don't have the lower manual settings for this. And you are likely 100% correct that it's slow versus stop on the rotary. You are fortunate to have seen them live!! Thanks again for stopping by.
First time watching your channel. This was some real quality shit! Thank you
So nice to hear this Samuel. So, thanks for watching and making this comment here. 😎
Thanks for the settings. I'm hoping to talk my band into covering this. On a side note, Gov't Mule does an amazing cover of this song. It largely keeps the B3 part faithful to the original, and adds in Warren Haynes' amazing vocals. Thanks again!
Hi Vinslom Bardy. I just listened to the Gov't Mule version. It's everything you said - traditional B3 with some awesome vocals on top. Thanks for your comment!
And no annoying fade out like the original. 😉 Cheers!
@@VinslomBardy Haha - true enough!
the first song I ever liked
Well James, you picked a good one for sure! Thanks for your comment.
Thank you so much for your contributions, Mark! Your videos have really helped me a lot :-) One question.. What did you do when the rotary speaker was activated (6.25) in the video? Something I missed..?
Hello @Channel Heggheim thank you for your question here. .So, yes, off-camera on the left, I was setting the rotary speaker to fast. You didn't see it in the video but it was done with my left hand. Thanks for watching!
Hey Marc, could you possibly do a video on the settings for Foreplay/Longtime by Boston on the stage 3?
Hello @larry bartlett sorry for the delay on this comment. I was debating learning foreplay and making a video on it. Alas, it's going to take a while to learn that song well so, let me start out by saying that most are using either these settings: 888004422 or simply 888000000. You'll want the rotary speaker on slow too. I've also seen it listed as: 686004002. And there seems to be some debate over whether the percussion should be on or off. You can try the above settings to see if that gets you started. I still have on the long-range possibilities list for a video. Good luck with this and let us know if you find something that works well for the Stage 3 - thanks!
I have a single manual Hammond XK-2 and 888800000 works just fine for me on WSOP.
Using a genuine Leslie speaker makes a big difference. That's something you can't fake.
Hi Bryan. Thanks for the alternate settings here and I agree that nothing can replace a genuine Leslie. And because the Leslie actually "moves air" as it rotates, etc., you can't beat the real thing.
Thanks for the B3 settings. I’ve wanted to try this song for a long time. I listened to the concert video by the original artist you talked about. I liked his vocals and the piano, organ and symphonic accompaniment. The drummer was horrible. He made the song drag and sound like a dirge.
He was dragging - I agree. Although, I think it still came pretty awesome. The vocals and the rest of the instruments made up for the sins of the tempo.
Booker T settings are similar except with fast decay on, less verb and 88880000.... everything else the same tho. Guess it's different but this reminds me of it with the stop position rotary on and 2cnd harmonic etc...
Thanks for the details here @JJWalker! Good to know these settings. I wish there was a giant list of all the organ settings for all the famous songs somewhere. Would make a great resource.
@@MyKeysToMusic I saw a UA-cam video were Booker was on a B3 showing the organ settings and the chords for green onions.
@@Blueguitar007 Awesome! Well, seeing a video with Booker himself on a B3 is proof right there! Good to know.
Ahh. A lovely tone even on my Electro3. The song does have a J.S. Bach fugue feel.
Hey Scott. Yes, good observation and happy to hear it works well on the Electro 3. The Electro 3 was my first Nord Keyboard so I can relate to that. Played many a gig with that board and it served me well for years. In any case, if you like good ol' J.S., Bach, you can check out the Symphobia strings demonstration here I cooked up. In fact, these very advanced samples work on your Electro 3 as well! (Granted, you may only be able to load one or two of these string samples at a time because they are relatively large and the Electro 3 has limited memory, etc.) Check it out here if you're interested to hear these in action: ua-cam.com/video/HN9WJNmkUKk/v-deo.html. I was quite pleased to know that Clavia has all this for the older boards too. 🎻 🎼
@@MyKeysToMusic I will check it out. My first Nord was a Nordlead 2. I put some gigging miles on that board. It was a break through from the washy 1990s digital synths.
@@synthman2000 Yes, Nord was indeed a breakthrough and I especially liked having all the controls on the top compared to my Korg Triton, Roland D-50, and Roland JVs of that time burying the controls in screens. I never learned these keyboards to any great degree but found I learned so much about the Nord keyboards largely because the knobs and buttons do most the work. Thanks for sharing!
Awesome job! I've heard the band also using piano and organ together in live performances of this song.
Any thought to doing the various settings for Green Onions? I notice Booker tends to change the settings for different parts which would make it interesting to see how to make those changes on the fly.
Hi Jas! Yes, the piano part is in-fact an essential part of the song. I didn't cover that but of course, that would be something we could also easily imitate with the Nord. But not sure if we could play both parts at the same time haha! Thanks for the comment.
Oh and I'll take a look at Green Onions at some point. I found this thread which goes back and forth as to which settings where used: forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/1280787/Organ_Booker_T_jones_used_for_
@@MyKeysToMusic What I ended up doing was recording both piano and organ parts (at the time it was not a Nord so the sound isn't great) and playing which part I felt like when doing it "live". Not a great solution, but if you are the only keyboard player, you do what you can.
Thanks for that link. I'll check it out.
@@barfingobummergo Oh, I like that solution - and ya, as keyboard players, we do what we have to do. It's rarer to have a keyboardist at all in a typical band, let alone two! So I would imagine most groups have to "think outside the box" to pull this tune off if they're looking to have it sound like the original.
Great tutorial.
In Bank 2 of the Electro 5 there is a program called Shadey B. Is this similar?
It's interesting to note that the person who came up with this part had to go to court for writing credit. He won but could only collect money from the date forward of the lawsuit. He wasn't entitled to any money the song made from when the time it was first released as punishement for having waited so long.
Hi Horowizard. The sound called Shadey B appears to be the exact same settings. Good catch! Clavia likes to create selected program names of famous songs in a discrete way like this. Very interesting about the song credit too. Timing is a big thing in music and in life.
@@MyKeysToMusic they have a Deep Purple setting too named purple something...lol
Marc, this song has always been my favorite B3 composition. My question or request is: do you have a tutorial on how to make backing tracks? Solos are great but on songs like this a good backing track can make a good performance truly great. Especially if one is not in a band. Do you have any recommendations? Keep up the good work.
Hey Barney - nice to hear from you as always. Well, I have some great news. I recently discovered an amazing site for backing tracks that blew my remaining hair back in a big way. I'll give you the link for you to explore here: www.karaoke-version.com (Once at the site, make sure you click on the CUSTOM BACKING TRACK area) - that's the only way you're going to be able to pick and choose which instruments in the backing track to use or not use. If you purchase a given song, you can edit it and then make an unlimited amount of variations for export. You can choose with drums, without drums, with keyboards, without keyboards, keyboards only, with vox or without vox - just about any combination can think of. It's simply amazing. I can't wait to use this more in the future. So, I used a backing track from that site on the above video (had to reduce the volume of the guitar because it as a bit loud). But other than that, I simply exported the file without the organ part and voila! - instant backing track. I can't recommend them enough.
Working with backing tracks would make a terrific video. I could discuss how to go about purchasing, editing, and exporting these backing tracks for us keyboardists who may want to have the power of having a band accompaniment for practice purposes, recording, or just for plain old fun. I'll add this to the long-range list. I have several videos in the queue ahead of this but this would make a prime candidate. Thanks for stopping by Barney!
Hi Barney. Well, you inspired an entire video! Come see your name in lights with my latest video where I review and provide a tutorial on one good way to make backing /accompaniment tracks! ua-cam.com/video/Z5xLtLl_ZIw/v-deo.html
Mathew Fisher didn‘t play a B-3 in the recording but an M-102.
Hello @Rayy's Musikladen Thank you for the clarification here. I have since researched this and yes, it's a M-102 model.
Try this on a new SK Pro and close your eyes. Incredible… no discernible difference!
@tonewheel - thanks for sharing this! I've heard great things about the new SK Pro and I just now watched the demo/promo video for it. There are many features that give the Nord Stage 3 a run for the money! Although the mono synth on the SK would be a little bit of a limitation for me personally (I'm really more of a synth guy), it's probably good for a lot of people and that does keep things simple. What an age we live in to be able to pack thousands of pounds worth of vintage keyboards in a single board and have them replicated so darn well at that. Enjoy your SK Pro. Hammond really hit this one out of the park! 🎹
at the beginning of the song. the main keyboard part the leslie is on slow or chorale . u say it on stop i dont think it is
Good point. Hmm, you may be exacxtly correct here. I'm not sure was I was steadfast on having a stopped speaker when I recorded the video. It could have been the way I heard it out of the box and didn't put enough focus on that. In any case, I'm glad you brought this up here.
If you listen to the original recording, it sounds to me that the Leslie is in choral mode as per why the Leslie produces such a spacious sound that you hear on the recording. Also, the choral mode means that the horn and bass is spinning, throwing the sound evrywhere, where as in stop mode it does not. Just my 2 Cents! I always use the choral mode!
Hello @Jerry thanks for this observation and information. I think others here have said the same thing about choral mode for this song and I believe you are correct. Makes me want to get a Leslie - but then again, I don't have room for that here in this studio LOL. But sound wise, it would be amazing.
@@MyKeysToMusic May I suggest the Neo Mini Vent II that enchances the Leslie effect on the Nord.
@@JC-td4gg Thanks for the tip, Jerry. Yes, quite a few people have highly recommended that solution. 👍 For people looking for that, I've provided an affiliate link here: amzn.to/3OXjQKe
Thanks for the shout out Marc, and great video! I’m just wondering what knob you turned before the chorus sound kicked in. Was it the rotary speaker knob? Or was it the stop mode button? Do you know why the harmonic third button doesn’t work in this song?
Hi Mike - Thanks again for the video idea. So, the button I clicked was to set the Rotary Speaker speed button to "fast". The fast rotary speaker is what causes that chorus effect you're hearing - that is to emulate the fast-moving Leslie speaker. I also slow it down again (without showing you that on the screen). However, while clicking the slow/fast button like this, the "stop mode" button is always invoked. So, when the speaker is set to slow, it's actually not "slow" but rather stopped because the stopped button overrides that.
If you had the harmonic third on, it would change the "sound" a bit on the organ and that doesn't appear to be what was used on the original settings for the 1967 original release. At least that's how it was described with the research I did. In testing it just now, I think adding the percussion third option changes the sound to something that doesn't sound like the original. Hopefully, I understood your question correctly.
My Keys To Music Awesome! Can’t wait to try this out. I bought the FC7 pedal. Is there a way to activate the fast spin sound with the pedal ?
@@mikecampbell4349 So yes, on The Nord Stage 3, you would assign the control Pedal to morph the "slow/stop/fast" button. Once you do that, as you move the pedal back and forth,, it will control the speed of the speaker incrementally from a full stop through fast. To do this you would:
1) Click and hold the Control Pedal Morph button (top middle of the keyboard).
2) While holding the button from #1 above, click on the "slow/stop/fast" button over by the rotary speaker section. You should see the "morph" light under that button turn green.
3) Make sure you connect your Yamaha FC-7 pedal to the back jack labeled "Control Pedal"
4) While playing the organ, you can move the pedal back and forth which should adjust the speed of the rotary speaker.
My Keys To Music thanks for your help with this! The pedal works great
@@mikecampbell4349 Glad to hear it Mike! Thanks for the update here.
You really need to do a billy jean setting video like thx, whiter shades etc.....I’m not set up to go download it on nord website....
Hey @dr louis cardinal your point is well taken and I think you are not alone on this thought. I'll keep it in mind for future videos where possible...
@@MyKeysToMusic Thank You!
how does it store to the nord?
Hello Andy. Once you create a setting, you have to hold the shift button and click the "Store" (red) button. From there, you can name the sound and choose a location. Here is a video on that: ua-cam.com/video/whGA708148Y/v-deo.html
On the original cut the organ was a Hammond M102?
Hello @Richard Young Yes I think you are right. According to this article, it was the M102: www.thisdayinmusic.com/liner-notes/youve-turned-a-whiter-shade-of-pale/#:~:text=The%20Hammond%20organ%20line%20of,clear%20references%20to%20both%20pieces.
At the time I made the video, I lumped it into the B3 category (probably because that's what the Nord keyboard imitate). I should have done a little more research to better define the exact model used. But this comment sets the record straight I think. Thanks!
@@MyKeysToMusic Grateful thanks for reply.I also assumed for many years it was a B or C until I read somewhere it was an M102.There is a noticable difference between the M and the B & C soundwise and more noticeable with all the higher drawbars out on the B and C. Also the M doesnt mimic the chorus (C3) tab on the B and C but the M drawbar setting and B setting for WSOP is such that these differences dont arise.At least to my ears.
@@richardyoung641 Thanks again for the background detailed info. 5 years ago when I started this channel, I couldn't even tell you what a B3 was, let alone who made them, their history, how the Leslie speaker plays such a significant partnership with it, or even what bands took advantage of this great instrument. I'm learning so much. It's like going to music history and equipment school if there was such a thing. Cheers!
@@MyKeysToMusic I've had a couple of B3's over the years and rebuilt one of them which was an education in itself.The weight was and is a killer though as I used to gig it everywhere..what you went through for that glorious sound.I came across your channel as I bought a new Nord Electro6 and hadnt a clue at first but found your channel and its all becoming clear thanks to your concise and descriptive teachings.Must say,it is awesome and am learning new things about it all the time.The organ is incredibly close to the original and the pianos are amazing and I should tell because I am a piano tuner of many years!..keep up the good work.
@@richardyoung641 Thanks for sharing your story here and your thoughts on the Electro 6. (I feel the same). You don't meet too many piano tuners in this world today so you are a special breed. I just saw Rick Wakeman in concert last weekend and he had a piano tuner adjust his piano hours before the show. Rick played the acoustic piano all night and told stories - it was terrific. But yes, we still need piano tuners! The Electro gives you the chance to emulate all these great instruments in the size and footprint that you can take anywhere. Continue to enjoy it!
Actual content starts around 2:05.
Thanks Dave. I just added the video sections for this video both in the description and in the scrub bar. Now the viewer can hover the mouse over the video scrub bar and choose to watch the sections that are important to them. Eventually, I'll have this for all 100+ videos on the channel. And, I'm actually proud of myself because I tend to be even more long-winded on my intros in general. 🙂 2 minutes is probably a record. Hey, nice work on your Billy Joel NY State of mind. Playing and singing at that level is very good. 👍🏼
That sounds just like the original. But, I believe it was recorded on the M103 not the B3.
@rustyneuron Thanks Rusty for your comment and clarification on the original M103.
@@MyKeysToMusicHey, thanks for you reply. They all sound good no matter what. Synthesized sound has come a long way since the 50s through the 70s when these organs were popular; Nord is one of the best brands going today imho. I wish I could afford one, but alas I shall have to be satisfied with my cheapy Yamaha . . . LOL
@@rustyneuron I get what you are saying! - Yamaha isn't too bad though in the meantime... Something to look forward to - save for a Nord, etc. Thanks again for chiming in here.
What settings work for whooly bully
Hello @louis cornale sorry for the delay here. I don't have the exact settings for this and I'm afraid I've got a stack of things to do ahead of being able to figure this out on this end. However, I did find this link: www.norduserforum.com/post157398.html?hilit=whooly%20bully#p157398 and you could also post this request on one of the many Nord FaceBook groups online to see if anyone else has something already.
A Whiter Shade Of Pale was not played on a B3 Mathew Fisher played a Hammond M100 series on the record.
Hello Ron - many thanks for the clarification here. It's sometimes not always easy to find this stuff out when I do my original research (which I limit myself to spending only the time that is feasible). But that's why the comments here from people like you who know more of the whole story can be a big help! Thanks for watching and again for the clarification. 🙏🏽
@@MyKeysToMusic correct
Actually this song is played in a hammond L122. So with that, you dont wanna use too much of low notes on the left hand because the organ doesnt have that.
Tiago Foz This is good to know! Thanks for sharing that info and for watching.
@@MyKeysToMusic i just bought one and started repairing it, but it sounds with too much gain. If somebody knows how to solve this, please contact me!
@@MrFoz1234 I'd give this company a call. They appear to be absolute experts with anything having to do with Hammond organs. In fact, they keep a list of B3 drawbar settings on their website which I'm thinking about featuring in a future video: keyboardservice.com/Organ_Repairs.asp
The song was actually recorded on Hammond M102 ( Hammond spinet organ a.k.a. ,,Cinderella")
and Leslie speaker by Matthew Fisher.
Very similar to the L-122 though...
not an l122 it was an m102
Have you ever looked up the meaning of the lyrics ???? a beautiful but creepy song
I've seen the lyrics written out but never looked up the meaning. I did watch this about the background of the song from its creators which I found very interesting indeed: ua-cam.com/video/Pf73XwjZIFQ/v-deo.html
It's not sound of Hammond. Sorry !
@faridb.3468 Well, it's certainly not a Hammond, and it's not a Leslie speaker, either. But it does weigh a LOT less than both. 😉 But I agree. You know the old saying, "Nothing compares to the original," and that's true in this case as well.
@@MyKeysToMusic Thank you Marc for your response. You are doing a good job.
@@faridb.3468 Thank you for watching!