very good review, I am 65 years old and have owned many cars. The best of all (that I still drive) is the 2006 sedan 9-5 aero 2.3L. It has 175,000km and no body noise, rattle or loose parts that bother. Quiet and performs like a new bmw. Only the air conditioner and cup holder don't work anymore, ask me if i care. yet it has a hard life here in Quebec with our big winters! Conclusion, driving feeling is no compareson, i love it.
Hi, I'm based in Toronto. Is your 2006 9-5 aero the final facelift version? I was looking at a 2004 9-5 aero, which I believe is the first facelift version. Would you recommend it? I came from three 9-3s, three Volvo XC70s, and two modern expensive Mercedes. Now I just want to go back to simple true driving pleasure with somewhat reliability.
@@agnesf2659 Hi, I'm based in the Netherlands and used to own a 2.3t SE from '98 tuned from 170hp to 235hp, so like the blue one in this vid. Current I own a '08 Aero with 260hp (EDNA nickname) AND the latest edition in this video, a 2.8 V6 Aero from 2010. The best quality goes to the '98, everything feels solid and even though tuned, it never missed a beat besides a trottle body (fly by wire) and a few Turbo's. I traded it in for my '08 Aero at 254.000km. The '08....., what a car, automatic with a lot of goodies, this is THE car I will pick if I need to drive more than 250km, these ventilated seats....., never found anything better, not even in a Audi, Merc or Bentley Continental GT, the build quality however is another thing, not great, overall it has 105.000km on it now and no major issues at all. The 2010 NG is a very nice car to see, large (for European standards) 4-wheel drive, sport seats, on board entertainment system, just 103.500km, but....., had to change the timing chain, problems with the x-wheel-drive, lot of road noice, it's not a real Saab anymore in feeling, seats look great but don't even come close to the '08 and maybe, just maybe in the shadow of my old 1998 one. Overall my choice would go to an '03-'09 Aero (with or without facelift). My '08 is now 15 years old and I still enjoy every single ride in it, even though I have to accept the poor build quality of this facelift edition. The maker of this video does hit the nail pretty good.
It’s such a shame that the quality of the 9-5 got worse as time went on. I’ve got a 2005 2.3t (shark nose, currently tuned to about 240bhp) and my mechanic mentions every time I see him about how mine is better built than a Dame Edna and the earlier ones were better than mine.
Its funny, I start reading your words and see 65 and think 'some old bloke' ... and here am I 67 years old ! Yes, the 9.5 is a brilliant car, I have the two Aero's, one '02 sedan and an '04 wagon. And even at 200,000 kms that 250hp seems an understatement. Reckon my Saabs will see me out, and what a way to go !
I’m also in Montreal. I drive a 2004 9-5 Arc manual. Same engine and turbo as the Aero, but detuned to 220 hp. My A/C also stopped working, there was a leak in the evaporator, possibly because the previous owners never changed the cabin filter in 16 years, it was completely full and would retain moisture. But fortunately, replacing the evaporator is not that hard of a job, it doesn’t require a dashboard removal like in many other cars. I did it myself along with replacing then condenser, drier and expansion valve and filling the system with gas and oil. A/C works great now and I learned a lot about how A/C works. I love the car, but being a northern car, rust is starting to become an issue because of the salt we use on the roads during winter.
The most powerful 185 hp engine i have ever driven. And the dashboard light that you can turn off and only display what is needed is the best feature I have seen.
Great video! My late father sold Saabs for 43 years. Been a Saab freak from birth❤️🇸🇪 That "Faster than a Porsche" however was first introduced with the 1993 2,3 Saab 9000 Aero, not the 9-5. Now that car is something special! To me easily Saabs best car. I have a -94 in the garage together with my daily 2009 9-5 Griffin.
The 3.0 V6 did have a turbocharger. It was an asymmetric one and used the exhaust gases of only 3 cylinder to boost the whole engine. Here in germany we call the second facelift „Brille“ or „Chrombrille“ which means glasses or chrome glasses. Didnt know about the edna nickname🤔 Unfortunately you didnt talk about the 1.9 TiD engine. But still an amazing overview about the 9-5 generations. Keep up the good work👍🏻
Damn, I actually created a table of engines for the Crombrille and the second gen but forgot to add them to this video, the 1.9 is in that. Thanks for the info on the V6, that I did not know
I have a 1999 9-5 Griffin with a B308E engine. It's a 3.0 V6 petrol (200 Bhp) with low pressure turbo designed for lower emissions for the California market.
I live in Australia and back in 2013 after Saab went under there were various Dealerships with 2011 Saab 9-5 Aero's that had just been sitting in the showroom for 2 years doing the occasional test drive meaning they were effectively 'brand new.' The original RRP of the 2011 9-5 Aero was $95k Aud, the dealers in 2013 were selling them for $35k AUD... If I wasn't a committed convertible driver back then I would've bought one.
At last, someone who really knows what he is talking about. Keep away from Auto journalists, the tripe they blab about the 9-5 is horrendous. It's as if they have never driven one. I have a 2008 9-5 estate, OUTSTANDING CAR.
I actually owned one of the 3 Hirsch Trolls built here in Australia. Basically, Saab Australia took three 9-5 Aeros and put every Hirsch option on them; stage 3 tune, Hirsch twin exhaust, Hirsch front and back bumpers, door cappings, carbon dash and steering wheel, brake pads & discs, and Hirsch alloys. 305bhp and V8-killing torque. What a car, and I've regretted selling it from the day it left my driveway.
I myself have owned 9000 2.3 , 9-5 hirsch trim , and now have a 1,8 sport sedan. It do however have the steeringwheel in the left side. I am amazed by the seats .. Denmark
Interesting to see the evolution of the 9-5. Such a shame that cost cutting and the eventual demise of Saab led to the NG 9-5 being a disappointment. It's such a good looking car. If Saab had been around longer and been able to develop the car, it could have been great.
I had 5 Saab’s since 1984 , best seats ever, my 15,000 mile road trip across Canada and the USA proved it to me. Tuned 93 255 hp 280 lbs torque with modified suspension, but not hard just tighter. Stock shocks with beefier rollbars, upgraded bushings, shock tower, bracing, and lower chassis. My fav car, sadly gone.
Great video. I've got an Edna and an NG. NGs really do benefit from the right tyres as regards road noise. Put some Goodyear Eagles on there and it will improve a lot, to the point that mine is now better than the Edna with Dunlop Sports on. The ride, however, is way better on the Edna... As are the chairs.
Don’t particular agree on the statement about the 9-5NG.. I drive a turbo6 with ELSD and it is a much better drive than the og 9-5. The turbo6 has a Unique front and rear axle. It is very silent on the road (it even won prices in Germany for being one of the most silent cars). It is the safest Saab ever built. The car is rattle free something a 9-3 unfortunately is not. I agree on the Seats that they arent up to 9-5og scratch, but saying that they are bad is going way to far IMHO. For instance the Seats in a OG 9-5 are mounted way to high. Other than that I liked the video a lot, have fun and keep Saabing!
I haven't had the privilege to drive the top spec Turbo6, but I will take your word on that. My NG is indeed the poverty spec version so that has influenced the review in this video. Glad you liked the vid
I've also got a 2011 9-5 Aero, V6 AWD. Oddly, I think the seats are more comfortable than my previous (2003 9-5 Aero) Saab! What bothers me most is that the enterior--dash and center console just seem plasticy and cheap--probably the fault of GM. What do all of you do for spare parts? I'm finding it kind of difficult--even getting the car serviced can be a challenge (I'm no mechanic and I'm not about to go messing around under the hood). Enjoyed the video very much. Thank you.
@@chipsteiner9128 I own both, OG+NG and will choose the '08 Aero OG on a trip anytime above my 2010 NG V6 Aero. Got told that the seats are softer on the '06-'09 than the previous years. Starting from '06 GM introduced a lot more cheap plastic into the 9-5. Enough Saab service dealers around here in the Netherlands, also parts no problem so far, just think outside the box as many same parts can be found by other sister brands. The Haldex XWD parts are not exclusive for Saab either.
Just a short distance from my house is the most beautiful Saab I have ever seen. It's a gen 1 station wagon in silver. It looks absolutely brand new. I even did a walk around and found nothing wrong, no dents, no scratches, no curb rash, nothing. I want it, bad!
You are correct 9-5 hot 2.3 estate is the best under appreciated car ever. Saab did a fabulous job and cant understand why GM dumped Saab. I love my HOT Aero. My lic plate is 4EVERSAB. I fix cars for a living so repairs are not a issue. I also ride a Moto Guzzi V85. I love odd stuff.
Wow, finally someone that knows and truly appreciates the OG 9-5 hot estate, or Aero Sport Combi….. You are right, these are highly under appreciated and overlooked but the best car ever and they, to me, are by far better and more utilitarian than any brand new tiny/small/medium X-over that everyone seem to be so crazy over! Holds lots AND a blast to drive and with basic mechanic knowledge and skills can be made even faster! Love my ‘02 Aero Combi and though my plates aren’t personalized, they are genuine Sweden plates, and yes, I’ve made a few mods/upgrades….314mm front brake/caliper swap w-HEL steel lines, stage 2 tune, ‘06+ turbo/king cobra intake pipe, with a stainless down pipe in the future! The oil sludge issue that were common with these was luckily avoided with mine, so I can only assume the original owner maintained it regularly, but I went ahead and did the oil crank case pcv update kit. With the exception of the HEL brake lines, all parts are genuine original Saab both new and refreshed used!
Great overview on the 9-5! Thank you for that😊 My 2006 2,3 T Aero Break runs with its more than 280.000 Km almost like new. But to be honesr: its not for free
I hope you eventually get the opportunity to drive the Aero XWD spec of this me 9-5NG. It literally feels super different than the turbo 4 models. There are a few things to be desired, such as the quirky cupholder, etc. I recently was able to pick up one of these about two months ago and out of the five Saabs that I have owned, it has definitely come near the top of the list. Only topped by the 9-3 Viggen It’s definitely a parts bin Insignia, but I absolutely adore the styling and it is a very good one.
Great vid, thanks mate. I used to have a 1999 9-3 and loved it. I looked at but never bought a 2003 9-5 which I regret. I did go test drive the 9-5 Gen II and was totally disappointed five minutes after sitting in it. It definitely felt like Saab/GM had missed the boat and it felt like the interior was a major step back at launch and then when one considered the high pricing there was no way I was going to buy one. Sadly, probably many felt the same and GM killed off Saab shortly after that.
I had a saab 9-5 1998 2.0t handed down to me this year and I've been trying to restore it to driveable condition, so weird how they have oriented everything.
Great video! Helped me decide to go after a Dame Edna, instead of the NG. Was always curious about the NG, but it certainly seems to have the heart of a buick. I will totally agree about the NG9-3 clutch. Never had a clutch as effortless and enjoyable. The return spring on the pedal makes a huge difference, as you will find out when it falls off around 150k miles. Easy to replace, but man is that clutch stiff when the spring is gone.
I have my second Saab 9-5 ng now., had a 2010 TiD4 like you had for 4 years, switched to cadillac for a year then went back to a 1.6l turbo4 frpm 2011. I have a few more extras tho, both my cars had the exact same amount of extras. Full leather seats, HUD & LWD to name a few. But i really like the TiD4 above the turbo4 1,6. I had a 2001 Aero with all extras exept sunroof and the nav. =) I will drive my arctic white NG till the end of days.
Great video. My first car was a 2000 9-5 2.3T about 10 years ago. I'm back in a 08 saab 93 aero xwd now. I do love the NG95 alot and id have a turbo 6 if I could find one here in Canada. Nice saabs you have. And happy 9-5 Day
14 SAABs over the years, currently a LR Viggen. Never a fan of the (second) facelift 9-5. The last 9-5 was kinda cool but too... cushy or not sporty enough for me. Great piece! As for seats my 535is has equal seats as did a Jetta 16V with Recaro Trophies are the only equals.
Since the publication of the Emily EVs this year, there are noises recently about a gathering of investors in the revival of NEVS and hopefully the rise from the ashes of the Saab name. Also the Saab factory in Trollhatton has commenced the manufacturing and supply of new parts for all Saabs. Here’s fingers crossed!
I bought a 2001 2.3t 9-5 used in 20005 at a bargain basement price. It now has almost 160K miles on it. Worst features: stupid front drink holder (broken spring) and front wheel bearings have been changed twice. Best features: good gas mileage for such a heavy car (keep your foot out of the turbo!) and comfortable on long trips. Amazing for a 23 year old car.
Great video. I'm sad to see you found the 9-5 NG a disappointment. I currently have a 9-3 and really hanker after a 9-5 NG; Looks wise it's a beautiful car that still looks modern now. Going by your assessment, it seems to be a lesser car than the earlier 9-5s overall though. I would want a petrol engine too.
Thanks nice video. I had a 9-3 and loved it. Recently purchased a 9-5 thinking it would rekindle times I had from my 9-3. Its too bad what GM did to the car but still a nice design. Trying to decide whether to keep it and figure out ways to make the car handle a little more tighter. Definitely feels like I am driving a GM versus a European sports car.
One '96 9000 CS(since the year 2000) one '04 phase 2 9⁵ OG (since 2009) , one '07 phase 3 9⁵ OG (since 2016) and one '11 9⁵ NG (since 2021). That is what I've got right now... only the phase 1 9⁵ OG and the 9000 CC are missing in my collection...
Really enjoyed your video. I had a '02 9-5 Linear, and I currently own a '07 facelift 9-3 Aero. Honestly I really miss the old beast. The built quality was absolutely amazing, compared to my current 9-3, everything squeaks and cracks, GMs plastics have ruined the whole experience. The engine and driving experience is - as you mentioned - waaay more fun in the 9-3, as it's more nimble. Just as a quick question, what MPG do you usually pull out with your facelift 9-5 Aero?
The second facelift car in this video does around 22MPG mainly because of my driving habits. I had a first facelift car before this that only got around 18MPG
Agree on the NG is not a Saab. I disagree on the disappointing feel when driving it. I like it a lot and I drive a 9-3 1.8 Hirsch; A 900 conv and a 9-5 2T Aero (tuned) and am very happy!😁
I bought my first '89 9000S with 66,000 miles for $8000 in '96 and drove in 100,000 additional miles before selling in privately, but the last few years it became increasingly unreliable and expensive. Then in '02 I bought an off lease '98 with 30,000 miles for $17,000 that a used car dealer bought at an auction which I kept until spring of '19 with 145,000 miles but again became increasingly unreliable with electronics failing and traded for nominal value though it still "looked good" but probably never used again. I really liked them but as you get older reliability is a major must issue.
Seating comfort, quietness, and handling are significantly better on the Saab 9-5 NG Aero XWD 2.8T models which include standard DriveSense. Also, the 9-5 NG 2.0T Premium models and 2.8T XWD Premium models offered in North America have been praised by reviewers for comfort, quietness, and handling.
Could you do an evolution of the 93 video please! Just bought a 2011 2.0l turbo4 93 would love to learn about the evolution of the 93. My father had a 2005 95 watching this video was nostalgically awesome! Thank you.
I live in kent.After ALL the SAAB range [ 96 Sport which my son has].At 90 yrs of age I have my final collection! A 93 Carlsson, 26000 mls,2011 white 93 2.8 Aero cabriolet 4100 mlies,2007 black 95 2.3 sport estate.All in cracking order! It is like having 3 wives, I have trouble choosing.It wears me out ! The sun's out-the cabrio, bad weather-Estate- any time that I feel like pepping up grrrr the Carlsson.I am so lucky a 4th.A Steinway grand 88 keys,not mls-they ALL have to be tuned!
Stu, thanks for all your work in making these videos... I have the 06 Dame Edna version w/sunroof, etc. and want to replace the head unit as my aftermarket aux-in has failed (CD connect). The amount of wires (3 looms) coming out of the Denso unit is intimidating. Would it be possible for you to recommend a $200-ish head unit AND the wiring conversion kits needed to make whatever the unit is into plug and play/ or with minimal splicing? My car (230K) is just like what you are driving in this video, so you know it well. I sent a note to you on your website as well... Thanks again.
Nice video. Have a Volvo V50 now. I like it. But the seats look much more comfortable on the Saab 9-5. Which one is more reliable, the 2005 or the 2006-2009? Not sure how I'd feel driving it. They're so cheap used in the US, but I feel like people would see me as driving a luxury car. This is why I like the Volvo V50. It's very modest. But if I ever get a more stable job (I'm a starving artist Naturopathic doctor), it's a beautiful car. Liked it as a kid. Would prefer the Saab 9-3 2010 lookswise, but the seats don't seem as comfortable, and I'm pretty sure the power would feel even less than the Volvo.
I so appreciate your videos and your knowledge! I’ve been a lifetime Saab owner, most recently I have a NG 9-5 2011 with an infotainment center that gets stuck on the boot-up… it just keeps restarting, perpetually repeating the GM and Saab logos. No one here in the states will touch it, and no one knows what they’re doing. I’m too afraid to try the jump drive software update install myself, worried I might render the car useless if it fails. I live in Los Angeles. Any advice? Thank you!
You can try to update it, but if it's not booting, chances are that it won't read the USB. You can try though, I have a video on that. Alternatively, you can go aftermarket with will give you all the modern features
Hi there ! I have a 1999 base model automatic 2.0t which was my dads last car. I love it, but it suffered a serious breakdown a couple of weeks ago and with a repair quote of €1500 is probably on the way to Saab Valhalla. I’m gutted, I’m offering it free to a good home to someone with the know how to repair it. It’s 200km from home so it’s a no no for me. Like you I prefer the pre-facelift cars and I’ve already sourced a replacement in the UK which I’ll be picking up in August and driving back home to France. It’s a 2004 automatic Aero estate with 178k on the clock has FSH and upgraded shocks and suspension. I have a few questions if you could enlighten me? It’s a 2004 model. - will it have the upgraded PCV and so no risk of having sludge issues? - will it be a 4 or 5-speed automatic gearbox in 2004? - since I need to change the headlights for LHD, will the LHD units I fitted to my dad’s 1999 model fit ? As far as my research tells me, they have the same Valeo part number - the seller is asking £1200, does that seem reasonable ? - given current fuel prices (>€2.00/litre in France for Unleaded E5 or E10 at the moment) can it be remapped to take E85 ethanol ? (€0.80/litre) - what sort of fuel consumption can I expect? Any other info or tips you’d have on the 2004 Aero estate would be gratefully received. Thanks, Rob PS Subscribed ! Great video.
Wouldn't part with my 2005 Aero for anything. The best last 'true' Saab ever made. The quality in later versions doesn't compare. GM cost cutting is call too obvious. Sadly, we'll never know what would have come next.
I like the look of the last generation 9-5 but don't think I could go for it as too much of the car just isn't Saab. Somehow the interior looks less substantial and less robust - wonder if these age more poorly than the earlier models
Depends on personal preference. The manual is obviously sportier, it is capable of a faster 0-60 time and for this reason it's what I would choose if I was going to modify it. The auto is awesome of you want an easy, smooth daily ride coupled with epic acceleration.
Sorry, but that is not an opinion I agree with. GM had a little influence on the earlier cars and they were brilliant. The 9-5 only exists because of GM, but they are true Saabs
In my opinion, 95 NG has only improved the dashboard which looks complete having clean lines but the seats and acceleration are worse than previous models. The exterior is irrelevant for a driver who spends his/her time inside the car. The 95 NG looks clean but I hate to imagine what happens after even a minor accident (spare parts). I dislike a look of 95 OG rear lights, 93 NG seems to be the best compromise but the interior design is the worst one in history...?
Sort your video. Out. When he is driving and talking to camera he is in a left hand drive vehicle, but when talking to camera and the car is stationary, it is right hand drive
Saab 9-5 was a decided Downgrade car. There were slightly More 9000's built than 9-5'... 9-5 engines were initially seriously reduced in structure and durability Later versions recieved some Crap 4 cyl GM engine. Drive feel of a 9-5 is Markedly tinnier /flimsier than a 9000. Surprisingly so Comparison Drive either 100 feet and the differences are Glaring. Enough of the Bullshit... Saabs in general from 1999 onwards were poor imitations of the previous Saabs. Earlier 9000's were, at one point; Saab Advertised as being Quicker from 50 to 100 than a Ferrari. Again .. New Saab fanboys latch onto the GM era cars as being 'wunnerful' when in reality they were varying shades of Poor imitations. Simply because the newbies didn't know better.
very good review, I am 65 years old and have owned many cars. The best of all (that I still drive) is the 2006 sedan 9-5 aero 2.3L. It has 175,000km and no body noise, rattle or loose parts that bother. Quiet and performs like a new bmw. Only the air conditioner and cup holder don't work anymore, ask me if i care. yet it has a hard life here in Quebec with our big winters! Conclusion, driving feeling is no compareson, i love it.
Hi, I'm based in Toronto. Is your 2006 9-5 aero the final facelift version? I was looking at a 2004 9-5 aero, which I believe is the first facelift version. Would you recommend it? I came from three 9-3s, three Volvo XC70s, and two modern expensive Mercedes. Now I just want to go back to simple true driving pleasure with somewhat reliability.
@@agnesf2659 Hi, I'm based in the Netherlands and used to own a 2.3t SE from '98 tuned from 170hp to 235hp, so like the blue one in this vid. Current I own a '08 Aero with 260hp (EDNA nickname) AND the latest edition in this video, a 2.8 V6 Aero from 2010.
The best quality goes to the '98, everything feels solid and even though tuned, it never missed a beat besides a trottle body (fly by wire) and a few Turbo's. I traded it in for my '08 Aero at 254.000km. The '08....., what a car, automatic with a lot of goodies, this is THE car I will pick if I need to drive more than 250km, these ventilated seats....., never found anything better, not even in a Audi, Merc or Bentley Continental GT, the build quality however is another thing, not great, overall it has 105.000km on it now and no major issues at all. The 2010 NG is a very nice car to see, large (for European standards) 4-wheel drive, sport seats, on board entertainment system, just 103.500km, but....., had to change the timing chain, problems with the x-wheel-drive, lot of road noice, it's not a real Saab anymore in feeling, seats look great but don't even come close to the '08 and maybe, just maybe in the shadow of my old 1998 one. Overall my choice would go to an '03-'09 Aero (with or without facelift). My '08 is now 15 years old and I still enjoy every single ride in it, even though I have to accept the poor build quality of this facelift edition. The maker of this video does hit the nail pretty good.
It’s such a shame that the quality of the 9-5 got worse as time went on. I’ve got a 2005 2.3t (shark nose, currently tuned to about 240bhp) and my mechanic mentions every time I see him about how mine is better built than a Dame Edna and the earlier ones were better than mine.
Its funny, I start reading your words and see 65 and think 'some old bloke' ... and here am I 67 years old ! Yes, the 9.5 is a brilliant car, I have the two Aero's, one '02 sedan and an '04 wagon. And even at 200,000 kms that 250hp seems an understatement. Reckon my Saabs will see me out, and what a way to go !
I’m also in Montreal. I drive a 2004 9-5 Arc manual. Same engine and turbo as the Aero, but detuned to 220 hp. My A/C also stopped working, there was a leak in the evaporator, possibly because the previous owners never changed the cabin filter in 16 years, it was completely full and would retain moisture. But fortunately, replacing the evaporator is not that hard of a job, it doesn’t require a dashboard removal like in many other cars. I did it myself along with replacing then condenser, drier and expansion valve and filling the system with gas and oil. A/C works great now and I learned a lot about how A/C works.
I love the car, but being a northern car, rust is starting to become an issue because of the salt we use on the roads during winter.
I knew I recognised those roads @ 17:18! Great summary thanks
The most powerful 185 hp engine i have ever driven. And the dashboard light that you can turn off and only display what is needed is the best feature I have seen.
Great video! My late father sold Saabs for 43 years. Been a Saab freak from birth❤️🇸🇪
That "Faster than a Porsche" however was first introduced with the 1993 2,3 Saab 9000 Aero, not the 9-5. Now that car is something special! To me easily Saabs best car. I have a -94 in the garage together with my daily 2009 9-5 Griffin.
The 3.0 V6 did have a turbocharger. It was an asymmetric one and used the exhaust gases of only 3 cylinder to boost the whole engine.
Here in germany we call the second facelift „Brille“ or „Chrombrille“ which means glasses or chrome glasses. Didnt know about the edna nickname🤔
Unfortunately you didnt talk about the 1.9 TiD engine.
But still an amazing overview about the 9-5 generations. Keep up the good work👍🏻
Damn, I actually created a table of engines for the Crombrille and the second gen but forgot to add them to this video, the 1.9 is in that. Thanks for the info on the V6, that I did not know
I have a 1999 9-5 Griffin with a B308E engine. It's a 3.0 V6 petrol (200 Bhp) with low pressure turbo designed for lower emissions for the California market.
I live in Australia and back in 2013 after Saab went under there were various Dealerships with 2011 Saab 9-5 Aero's that had just been sitting in the showroom for 2 years doing the occasional test drive meaning they were effectively 'brand new.' The original RRP of the 2011 9-5 Aero was $95k Aud, the dealers in 2013 were selling them for $35k AUD...
If I wasn't a committed convertible driver back then I would've bought one.
At last, someone who really knows what he is talking about. Keep away from Auto journalists, the tripe they blab about the 9-5 is horrendous. It's as if they have never driven one. I have a 2008 9-5 estate, OUTSTANDING CAR.
I agree, '08 Aero Sports Sedan.
I actually owned one of the 3 Hirsch Trolls built here in Australia. Basically, Saab Australia took three 9-5 Aeros and put every Hirsch option on them; stage 3 tune, Hirsch twin exhaust, Hirsch front and back bumpers, door cappings, carbon dash and steering wheel, brake pads & discs, and Hirsch alloys. 305bhp and V8-killing torque. What a car, and I've regretted selling it from the day it left my driveway.
I agree, biggest mistake you could make, so rare those full Hirsch editions.
I myself have owned 9000 2.3 , 9-5 hirsch trim , and now have a 1,8 sport sedan. It do however have the steeringwheel in the left side. I am amazed by the seats .. Denmark
Interesting to see the evolution of the 9-5. Such a shame that cost cutting and the eventual demise of Saab led to the NG 9-5 being a disappointment. It's such a good looking car. If Saab had been around longer and been able to develop the car, it could have been great.
I had 5 Saab’s since 1984 , best seats ever, my 15,000 mile road trip across Canada and the USA proved it to me. Tuned 93 255 hp 280 lbs torque with modified suspension, but not hard just tighter. Stock shocks with beefier rollbars, upgraded bushings, shock tower, bracing, and lower chassis. My fav car, sadly gone.
Those seats....., best part ever on the car, you just find out after a long trip.
Great video. I've got an Edna and an NG. NGs really do benefit from the right tyres as regards road noise. Put some Goodyear Eagles on there and it will improve a lot, to the point that mine is now better than the Edna with Dunlop Sports on. The ride, however, is way better on the Edna... As are the chairs.
Don’t particular agree on the statement about the 9-5NG.. I drive a turbo6 with ELSD and it is a much better drive than the og 9-5. The turbo6 has a Unique front and rear axle. It is very silent on the road (it even won prices in Germany for being one of the most silent cars). It is the safest Saab ever built. The car is rattle free something a 9-3 unfortunately is not. I agree on the Seats that they arent up to 9-5og scratch, but saying that they are bad is going way to far IMHO. For instance the Seats in a OG 9-5 are mounted way to high. Other than that I liked the video a lot, have fun and keep Saabing!
I haven't had the privilege to drive the top spec Turbo6, but I will take your word on that. My NG is indeed the poverty spec version so that has influenced the review in this video. Glad you liked the vid
You in the UK?
@@LA63003 Yes
I've also got a 2011 9-5 Aero, V6 AWD. Oddly, I think the seats are more comfortable than my previous (2003 9-5 Aero) Saab! What bothers me most is that the enterior--dash and center console just seem plasticy and cheap--probably the fault of GM. What do all of you do for spare parts? I'm finding it kind of difficult--even getting the car serviced can be a challenge (I'm no mechanic and I'm not about to go messing around under the hood). Enjoyed the video very much. Thank you.
@@chipsteiner9128 I own both, OG+NG and will choose the '08 Aero OG on a trip anytime above my 2010 NG V6 Aero. Got told that the seats are softer on the '06-'09 than the previous years.
Starting from '06 GM introduced a lot more cheap plastic into the 9-5.
Enough Saab service dealers around here in the Netherlands, also parts no problem so far, just think outside the box as many same parts can be found by other sister brands.
The Haldex XWD parts are not exclusive for Saab either.
Just a short distance from my house is the most beautiful Saab I have ever seen. It's a gen 1 station wagon in silver. It looks absolutely brand new. I even did a walk around and found nothing wrong, no dents, no scratches, no curb rash, nothing. I want it, bad!
Just ask the owner. 😁
my 2004 SAAB 9-5 was an absolutley wonderful car. Superb in all respects. The perfect wagon
You are correct 9-5 hot 2.3 estate is the best under appreciated car ever. Saab did a fabulous job and cant understand why GM dumped Saab. I love my HOT Aero. My lic plate is 4EVERSAB. I fix cars for a living so repairs are not a issue. I also ride a Moto Guzzi V85. I love odd stuff.
Wow, finally someone that knows and truly appreciates the OG 9-5 hot estate, or Aero Sport Combi….. You are right, these are highly under appreciated and overlooked but the best car ever and they, to me, are by far better and more utilitarian than any brand new tiny/small/medium X-over that everyone seem to be so crazy over! Holds lots AND a blast to drive and with basic mechanic knowledge and skills can be made even faster! Love my ‘02 Aero Combi and though my plates aren’t personalized, they are genuine Sweden plates, and yes, I’ve made a few mods/upgrades….314mm front brake/caliper swap w-HEL steel lines, stage 2 tune, ‘06+ turbo/king cobra intake pipe, with a stainless down pipe in the future! The oil sludge issue that were common with these was luckily avoided with mine, so I can only assume the original owner maintained it regularly, but I went ahead and did the oil crank case pcv update kit. With the exception of the HEL brake lines, all parts are genuine original Saab both new and refreshed used!
I believe Saab ditched GM, they couldn't achieve Saab's level of quality.
@@alastair9894 Saab would rather go under than let GM have full control of the company and further diminish the quality of the brand.
Great overview on the 9-5! Thank you for that😊
My 2006 2,3 T Aero Break runs with its more than 280.000 Km almost like new.
But to be honesr: its not for free
I hope you eventually get the opportunity to drive the Aero XWD spec of this me 9-5NG. It literally feels super different than the turbo 4 models. There are a few things to be desired, such as the quirky cupholder, etc. I recently was able to pick up one of these about two months ago and out of the five Saabs that I have owned, it has definitely come near the top of the list. Only topped by the 9-3 Viggen
It’s definitely a parts bin Insignia, but I absolutely adore the styling and it is a very good one.
Great vid, thanks mate. I used to have a 1999 9-3 and loved it. I looked at but never bought a 2003 9-5 which I regret. I did go test drive the 9-5 Gen II and was totally disappointed five minutes after sitting in it. It definitely felt like Saab/GM had missed the boat and it felt like the interior was a major step back at launch and then when one considered the high pricing there was no way I was going to buy one. Sadly, probably many felt the same and GM killed off Saab shortly after that.
GM did kill the real Saab feeling. The NG feels like a GM product, even though 70% is still Saab.
Agree on the road noise in the 9-5 NG, drove a 2.0t biopower. Steering is way too fast aswell
I had a saab 9-5 1998 2.0t handed down to me this year and I've been trying to restore it to driveable condition, so weird how they have oriented everything.
Great video!
Helped me decide to go after a Dame Edna, instead of the NG.
Was always curious about the NG, but it certainly seems to have the heart of a buick.
I will totally agree about the NG9-3 clutch. Never had a clutch as effortless and enjoyable.
The return spring on the pedal makes a huge difference, as you will find out when it falls off around 150k miles. Easy to replace, but man is that clutch stiff when the spring is gone.
I have my second Saab 9-5 ng now., had a 2010 TiD4 like you had for 4 years, switched to cadillac for a year then went back to a 1.6l turbo4 frpm 2011. I have a few more extras tho, both my cars had the exact same amount of extras. Full leather seats, HUD & LWD to name a few. But i really like the TiD4 above the turbo4 1,6. I had a 2001 Aero with all extras exept sunroof and the nav. =) I will drive my arctic white NG till the end of days.
The first generation Saab 9-5 especially wagon by far the best and still are. Best seat of any car.
I can testify to that because that is the 9-5 car I have!
Great video. My first car was a 2000 9-5 2.3T about 10 years ago. I'm back in a 08 saab 93 aero xwd now. I do love the NG95 alot and id have a turbo 6 if I could find one here in Canada. Nice saabs you have. And happy 9-5 Day
14 SAABs over the years, currently a LR Viggen. Never a fan of the (second) facelift 9-5. The last 9-5 was kinda cool but too... cushy or not sporty enough for me. Great piece! As for seats my 535is has equal seats as did a Jetta 16V with Recaro Trophies are the only equals.
Since the publication of the Emily EVs this year, there are noises recently about a gathering of investors in the revival of NEVS and hopefully the rise from the ashes of the Saab name.
Also the Saab factory in Trollhatton has commenced the manufacturing and supply of new parts for all Saabs. Here’s fingers crossed!
I'm watching Emily with great interest as I have an EV and I might swap mine
Awesome video, great information and very informative. Maybe SAAB 9-3 Evolution as a next video idea? :)
It's on the cards :)
Very well presented mate xx
Thank you kindly
I bought a 2001 2.3t 9-5 used in 20005 at a bargain basement price. It now has almost 160K miles on it. Worst features: stupid front drink holder (broken spring) and front wheel bearings have been changed twice. Best features: good gas mileage for such a heavy car (keep your foot out of the turbo!) and comfortable on long trips. Amazing for a 23 year old car.
Great video. I'm sad to see you found the 9-5 NG a disappointment. I currently have a 9-3 and really hanker after a 9-5 NG; Looks wise it's a beautiful car that still looks modern now. Going by your assessment, it seems to be a lesser car than the earlier 9-5s overall though. I would want a petrol engine too.
I own both, the NG is not a lesser car, it's a lesser Saab.
Thanks nice video. I had a 9-3 and loved it. Recently purchased a 9-5 thinking it would rekindle times I had from my 9-3. Its too bad what GM did to the car but still a nice design. Trying to decide whether to keep it and figure out ways to make the car handle a little more tighter. Definitely feels like I am driving a GM versus a European sports car.
One '96 9000 CS(since the year 2000) one '04 phase 2 9⁵ OG (since 2009) , one '07 phase 3 9⁵ OG (since 2016) and one '11 9⁵ NG (since 2021). That is what I've got right now... only the phase 1 9⁵ OG and the 9000 CC are missing in my collection...
Nice, keep collecting 👍
Really enjoyed your video. I had a '02 9-5 Linear, and I currently own a '07 facelift 9-3 Aero. Honestly I really miss the old beast. The built quality was absolutely amazing, compared to my current 9-3, everything squeaks and cracks, GMs plastics have ruined the whole experience. The engine and driving experience is - as you mentioned - waaay more fun in the 9-3, as it's more nimble.
Just as a quick question, what MPG do you usually pull out with your facelift 9-5 Aero?
The second facelift car in this video does around 22MPG mainly because of my driving habits. I had a first facelift car before this that only got around 18MPG
Great video🤩
Thank you 🤗
Started driving in a V4 95 Estate then later put my back out sitting in the back of a 9-5 Estate putting my wellies on. A painful journey home.
Agree on the NG is not a Saab. I disagree on the disappointing feel when driving it. I like it a lot and I drive a 9-3 1.8 Hirsch; A 900 conv and a 9-5 2T Aero (tuned) and am very happy!😁
Most underrated car🙁
i physically felt how disappointed you were in the NG 9-5 :( hoping to get my hands on an 02 linear 9-5 soon :)
I bought my first '89 9000S with 66,000 miles for $8000 in '96 and drove in 100,000 additional miles before selling in privately, but the last few years it became increasingly unreliable and expensive. Then in '02 I bought an off lease '98 with 30,000 miles for $17,000 that a used car dealer bought at an auction which I kept until spring of '19 with 145,000 miles but again became increasingly unreliable with electronics failing and traded for nominal value though it still "looked good" but probably never used again. I really liked them but as you get older reliability is a major must issue.
Seating comfort, quietness, and handling are significantly better on the Saab 9-5 NG Aero XWD 2.8T models which include standard DriveSense. Also, the 9-5 NG 2.0T Premium models and 2.8T XWD Premium models offered in North America have been praised by reviewers for comfort, quietness, and handling.
❤ Everything (almost) on this SAAB 9-5 is over built and designed to last for 250K miles.
Could you do an evolution of the 93 video please! Just bought a 2011 2.0l turbo4 93 would love to learn about the evolution of the 93. My father had a 2005 95 watching this video was nostalgically awesome! Thank you.
I'll see what I can do
I live in kent.After ALL the SAAB range [ 96 Sport which my son has].At 90 yrs of age I have my final collection! A 93 Carlsson, 26000 mls,2011 white 93 2.8 Aero cabriolet 4100 mlies,2007 black 95 2.3 sport estate.All in cracking order! It is like having 3 wives, I have trouble choosing.It wears me out ! The sun's out-the cabrio, bad weather-Estate- any time that I feel like pepping up grrrr the Carlsson.I am so lucky a 4th.A Steinway grand 88 keys,not mls-they ALL have to be tuned!
NOW I understand why owners refer to their 95 as a Dame model!
Stu, thanks for all your work in making these videos... I have the 06 Dame Edna version w/sunroof, etc. and want to replace the head unit as my aftermarket aux-in has failed (CD connect). The amount of wires (3 looms) coming out of the Denso unit is intimidating. Would it be possible for you to recommend a $200-ish head unit AND the wiring conversion kits needed to make whatever the unit is into plug and play/ or with minimal splicing? My car (230K) is just like what you are driving in this video, so you know it well. I sent a note to you on your website as well... Thanks again.
Thank you so much🙏
Thank you for the information.
SAAB come back!
Nice video. Have a Volvo V50 now. I like it. But the seats look much more comfortable on the Saab 9-5. Which one is more reliable, the 2005 or the 2006-2009? Not sure how I'd feel driving it. They're so cheap used in the US, but I feel like people would see me as driving a luxury car. This is why I like the Volvo V50. It's very modest. But if I ever get a more stable job (I'm a starving artist Naturopathic doctor), it's a beautiful car. Liked it as a kid. Would prefer the Saab 9-3 2010 lookswise, but the seats don't seem as comfortable, and I'm pretty sure the power would feel even less than the Volvo.
Anything after 2004 has fewer issues. But they're all reliable if you look after them properly
Great video!
Just bought a 2 lt estate 2004, I was getting too old for my motorbike so it's up for sale and I want to keep it as a second car
! Thank you for video ! What kind of head unit did you install in your 9-5 facelift ?it’s hard to find beautiful unit for this car …Thank you !
This one ua-cam.com/video/d_PQ_loXAHM/v-deo.html
I so appreciate your videos and your knowledge! I’ve been a lifetime Saab owner, most recently I have a NG 9-5 2011 with an infotainment center that gets stuck on the boot-up… it just keeps restarting, perpetually repeating the GM and Saab logos. No one here in the states will touch it, and no one knows what they’re doing. I’m too afraid to try the jump drive software update install myself, worried I might render the car useless if it fails. I live in Los Angeles. Any advice? Thank you!
You can try to update it, but if it's not booting, chances are that it won't read the USB. You can try though, I have a video on that.
Alternatively, you can go aftermarket with will give you all the modern features
How loud is the diesel 1.9 tid engine in the second generation Saab 9-5 in the cabin compared to say a Audi C5 1.9 pd from 2002
Hi there !
I have a 1999 base model automatic 2.0t which was my dads last car. I love it, but it suffered a serious breakdown a couple of weeks ago and with a repair quote of €1500 is probably on the way to Saab Valhalla. I’m gutted, I’m offering it free to a good home to someone with the know how to repair it. It’s 200km from home so it’s a no no for me. Like you I prefer the pre-facelift cars and I’ve already sourced a replacement in the UK which I’ll be picking up in August and driving back home to France.
It’s a 2004 automatic Aero estate with 178k on the clock has FSH and upgraded shocks and suspension. I have a few questions if you could enlighten me?
It’s a 2004 model.
- will it have the upgraded PCV and so no risk of having sludge issues?
- will it be a 4 or 5-speed automatic gearbox in 2004?
- since I need to change the headlights for LHD, will the LHD units I fitted to my dad’s 1999 model fit ? As far as my research tells me, they have the same Valeo part number
- the seller is asking £1200, does that seem reasonable ?
- given current fuel prices (>€2.00/litre in France for Unleaded E5 or E10 at the moment) can it be remapped to take E85 ethanol ? (€0.80/litre)
- what sort of fuel consumption can I expect?
Any other info or tips you’d have on the 2004 Aero estate would be gratefully received.
Thanks,
Rob
PS Subscribed ! Great video.
I thought the final gen 9-5 was beautiful, inside and out. A shame their time was at an end. I had a 2002 9-3, which is still my favorite vehicle.
❤
Could you please do a similar story on the 9-3? With engines and facelifts?
I want to do this, but just need to borrow some cars to facilitate the video
@@SaabUnleashed i severely hope you can borrow them! Keep it up! Good stories!
Maybe they were trying to save money on sound proofing or if they had carried on making the new 9-5 they would have improved it.
A shame the estate didn't make it to full production.
The ride looked rough and bouncy on that last generation 9-5.
Yeah. Apparently it's better if you have an Aero, but I've never driven one
@@SaabUnleashed It is, mine is firm and very quiet on the road.
Wouldn't part with my 2005 Aero for anything. The best last 'true' Saab ever made. The quality in later versions doesn't compare. GM cost cutting is call too obvious. Sadly, we'll never know what would have come next.
Agree, my '98 was way ahead of my '08 in therm of quality. The '08 is better sound insulated though.
Good vid...sub'd
At 2.53 how'd you make it left hand drive ?
Most have flipped the video :D
2005 9-5 aero i think is the best looking sedan
If you compare the weight of an insignia and the 9 5 ng....you will find out how much they actually differ!
I like the look of the last generation 9-5 but don't think I could go for it as too much of the car just isn't Saab. Somehow the interior looks less substantial and less robust - wonder if these age more poorly than the earlier models
The 2.0 bio tec petrol is so much better. mine is tuned to 295 Bhp and i love it. It's white which makes it look so much sleeker.
the best seats??? Better than a volvo V70??
dident the v6 have a small turbo ?
Yes it did, I was wrong
Which are best autos or manuals in hot versions?
Depends on personal preference. The manual is obviously sportier, it is capable of a faster 0-60 time and for this reason it's what I would choose if I was going to modify it.
The auto is awesome of you want an easy, smooth daily ride coupled with epic acceleration.
Front wheel drive Volvo? A Diesel Saaab?
Saab 9-5 kool factor 1,000,000,000🏁🏁🏁👍😁
2004-2005 saab 9-5 aero is the best models🏁🏁🏁👍
2,3t from 1997-2000 were 170PS, 2001-on were 185PS... 185PS cars also had turbo boost gague that 170PS cars did not
In Poland we don’t say Dame Edna.
We say Paskuda (The Ugly One).
True SAABs are Pre-GM owned >>> Period!
Sorry, but that is not an opinion I agree with. GM had a little influence on the earlier cars and they were brilliant. The 9-5 only exists because of GM, but they are true Saabs
ربي يبارك يخصني المحرك انتاعها راهي عندي يخصني محرك انتعها انا من الدولة الجزايرية ولاية معسكر سيق
Have a crash in the latest 95, then see if its like the Insignia.
You say that, but both the Insignia and the 9-5NG scored 5 stars on NCAP. Both cars performed the same in the video crash tests
In my opinion, 95 NG has only improved the dashboard which looks complete having clean lines but the seats and acceleration are worse than previous models. The exterior is irrelevant for a driver who spends his/her time inside the car. The 95 NG looks clean but I hate to imagine what happens after even a minor accident (spare parts). I dislike a look of 95 OG rear lights, 93 NG seems to be the best compromise but the interior design is the worst one in history...?
Sort your video. Out. When he is driving and talking to camera he is in a left hand drive vehicle, but when talking to camera and the car is stationary, it is right hand drive
4 to 5 speed automatic.
i have a 2006 Biopower.
Saab 9-5 was a decided Downgrade car. There were slightly More 9000's built than 9-5'... 9-5 engines were initially seriously reduced in structure and durability Later versions recieved some Crap 4 cyl GM engine. Drive feel of a 9-5 is Markedly tinnier /flimsier than a 9000.
Surprisingly so Comparison Drive either 100 feet and the differences are Glaring.
Enough of the Bullshit... Saabs in general from 1999 onwards were poor imitations of the previous Saabs.
Earlier 9000's were, at one point; Saab Advertised as being Quicker from 50 to 100 than a Ferrari.
Again .. New Saab fanboys latch onto the GM era cars as being 'wunnerful' when in reality they were varying shades of Poor imitations.
Simply because the newbies didn't know better.
The 2.8T engine was made in Australia. True fact!