Randy, what an amazing amount of research you’ve conducted from The time of our phone call this morning. It thrills me to know how much you care about our viewers, and for taking stock in the information I had for you You are a supreme source of guitar inspiration 🙏🎸🙏
Hi Randy. New subscriber here. I watched your review on the IBG Hummingbird, and also your STOP review. I am so happy I did. I've been in the market for the IBG Hummer for over a year. After watching your review, I did a manual search at the local guitar stores and found, today, a NEW 2022, factory code 23, IBG hummingbird. The quality is perfect, the tone is perfect, the weight is 5lb 8.5 oz, which I found online is consistent with ALL the Indonesian IBG HB's. The Chinese ones range from 4lb 4oz to 5lb. Not sure why the range in the Chinese ones. Probably the body wood thickness is not as strictly monitored, who knows. Anyway, thanks again for the great review and steering me in the right direction.
Hi Brooke, I’m getting mixed reviews of the China built ones. I’m very glad to hear that yours is a good one. I think most of the complaints I have heard are about the QC process. Again, very pleased to hear that you received a good one 👍🏻
I ordered one from a shop on Reverb. The ad photos showed the guitar with a made-in-Indonesia sticker. I double-checked with them and they said the guitar they were sending was actually made in China. The pictures on the ad were just stock photos and not the actual guitar I was buying. Canceled that order. Did some dedicated searching and found an old stock new guitar with the right serial number 23 for Samick, Indonesia and produced in January of 2022. I ordered it and its on the way. $52 more, but that's worth it. Thanks for your research Randy!
I’m really glad to hear that you did your homework. Most of these guitar stores do not understand this Gibson process and journey on these IBGs. Unfortunately, just about every guitar store that I’ve been in, they were clueless. I’ve yet to find one that even knew how to read the serial number. I don’t really fault them, because they sell hundreds of guitar brands, so it can be challenging to know every detail on every model. That just makes it even more important for us to do our homework. Great job running this down and congratulations on landing one. Fingers crossed that you get a great one. Your odds are certainly better. Let me know how it turns out, brother man 👍🏻
thank you so much ,i seen so many good reviews on the IBG j45 i was looking for one and if not for me finding your video i would of bought the wrong one with my luck ,lol bought a indonesian made j45 yesterday and ur right its very nice im very happy
Ms Julie, always an honor to hear from you! In these times we live in, you really have to be careful buying guitars, as I’m sure your band mates have mentioned. Seems everyone is trying to squeeze every last ounce of silver out of a dime and should be more focused on quality. Oh well, at least we have each other to try and find the good guitars 👍🏻
It’s usual for epiphone to produce both in China and Indonesia, it’s been like this for years, as far as I know... I read in the forums that there are those who prefer Indonesian ones and those who prefer Chinese ones, I think each guitar is an “animal of its own” and should be tested before buying. Greetings from Italy, Randy and sorry for my bad english 😅
Of all the IBG I have tried over the last year they all had issues with poor intonation the most common. Another issue with all was that they were so dam heavy (6lbs +)
Hey brother man, the English is fine. Yes, they have had factories in both places, but this is the first time the produced the IBG acoustics there. It may not be a problem, but then again it may be 👍🏻
I Randy, thank you so much for the warning. I did the January sale at my local store here in France to pick a IBG J 200 and the seller confirm that out of the 3 in stock two were serial 15 and one 23. I was lucky.... The Hummingbird IBG AAN badged 15 that I saw in store sounded OK but the sitka spruce table had color issues. They did not have 23 left, so I will wait for a second hand one. Thanks so much for your great job and playing, All rhe best for 2024
Hi Jean, you are most welcome and I’m pleased to see folks doing their homework on these guitars. I think you’ve made the right decision. I did see a few on Reverb with a serial number containing 23, but hopefully one will come up in France for you. I do appreciate you sharing your experience with me, brother man, and I’ll hope to hear you found one very soon 👍🏻
Tried the from China the IBG J45 and the Hummingbird. All I can say is awesome sound and build quality. Intonation dead on right to the 14th fret and beyond. Not too many acoustic guitars have that kind on intonation including some Indonesia IBG ‘s. All is well
Thanks Will, that gives me hope. A change in factories requires new testimonies, as would be expected. Glad to get a good report and thanks for sharing that info with us, brother man 👍🏻
What a powerful job my friend! I wish to you all success around! Stay strong, be positive. We all struggle sometimes... and that's ok! Never give up! Believing in yourself is the first secret to success! Here's my big like for you and I don't forget to press the 🛎 button! ☺️
You are most welcome and I’m really glad you got one from the old Samick factory. I don’t think they will ever top those builds. Appreciate you sharing, brother man 👍🏻
Another proud owner of a MiC IBG Hummingbird, made in the late 2023. I cannot imagine how or why an Indonesian one could be a better instrument. This guitar was perfect right out of the box and it sounds incredible.
Very pleased to hear that. As you probably understand, that factory is better known for turning out some great electric guitars. However, the building of an acoustic is very different. I do get comments from time to time that reflects some really good work on the IBGs made there, but the ratio of them shipping a great acoustic guitar vs a problem one is about 20/80. I’m really glad you managed a great one. I played one at a guitar store recently and found it much lighter, which appealed to me. However, it had neck angle problems. As far as sound goes, it it was really good, but it wasn’t as rich as my Indonesian version. It wasn’t bad, just different. I actually liked the woody tone I got from it. Appreciate you sharing your experience with it and hopefully I’ll get more feedback like yours 👍🏻
Howdy Randy . . . . I understand your passion for your guitars, in particular Epiphone! I listened and read a few of your comments, and all I can add to that is . . . . . it's the way of the world. My biggest gripe is the materials used to build guitars nowadays . . . . most importantly the timber used. Again . . . the world we now live in. Manufacturing down here has become nearly inexistent. So very sad indeed Randy. I listened to an hour long segment (a while ago) that featured a respected acoustic guitar collector/enthusiast, a university professor, who travelled the world in search of the trees where guitar timber is sought. It is unsustainable. Brazilian rosewood . . . pretty much gone! The list of endangered trees used to supply timber to guitar luthiers is lengthy. He was asked what material will be used in years to come . . . . I don't think you would like to hear his prediction. Anywho . . . I realise I've gone off track here, but your video caused me to think of the future of the making of acoustic guitars in general. I could go on and on regarding this subject. Love your uploads my ol' Mate. 🎸 🎼 🎶 👌
Hey John, I’ve seen similar videos about that topic myself. It makes me grateful that I a collection already in place, as I’m sure it does you as well. Yes sir, it’s very unfortunate. I think what irritated me most was Gibson getting all of the great reviews and then sliding the factory COI change in. I suspect for the reasons you listed, not the least of which was materials and labor costs. Always appreciate getting your insights, brother man 👍🏻
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I live in the UK, I own a couple Eastman acoustic guitars. I believe all Eastman guitars are built in China, however, they are still hand-crafted and built with solid woods. I watched a UA-cam video showing an Eastman factory tour and not a single machine in sight.
I think Eastman has this down pat in their factory. Rave reviews on their lineup, for sure. I have since played one of newer Epiphones and think they’d benefit from an Eastman tour, brother man 👍🏻
Thanks so much. Thankfully, the J-45 IBG I just received has factory 23. When I purchased it I did look at the sticker that said Indonesia on the back of the Sweetwater pictures.
You have solved the mystery of why my new Hummingbird has “Issues”. Your videos were one of the many videos I watched when deciding to buy an IBG Hummingbird recently. It came in dire need of a set up…extremely dry fretboard and bridge…when I took it in for a proper set up my tech identified that the element under the saddle is installed incorrectly making it impossible to properly set up the guitar saddle without replacing and reinstalling the element. I’m waiting for Sweetwater to confirm if they will support the work required to make it right!!!! I’ve been so bummed out that after not being able to find a bad review on this guitar, I got a lemon. After checking the serial number, it’s #00027 out of factory code 15!!! Randy, Thank you for making this video to let folks know that these new ones are clearly NOT the same quality as the ones made the original factory!!
Hey Unc, I hate to hear that, but it just doesn’t surprise me, sad as it is. Sweetwater will make it right. If they don’t, let me know. You can email me as well. I’m happy to make a call to them if necessary. I’m not too sure I wouldn’t just send it back for a refund and then see if you can find one used on Reverb. Either way, very discouraging. I appreciate you reaching out and letting me know. You are most welcome for the information, but I’m not very pleased that I couldn’t make this video sooner. Thanks again, brother man 👍🏻
@@randysrhythm Hey Randy, Happy to share that Sweetwater DID make it right and they are allowing me to return the guitar even though I'm a few days over the return window. I did share with them that I also felt that all current reviews need to be removed as they are selling a new instrument. I am taking your advice and looking around to find one with a factory code of 23!!
@@unclet5112Hi Unc, Sweetwater are currently either going to edit my review (I gave them permission to do it), or remove it. My sales guy has always treated me right, which is why I deal with them. I’m happy to get confirmation from you that they are still folks of their word. I really appreciate you providing the update, brother man. You’re welcome at my fire anytime 👍🏻
I currently own the Epiphone IBG J200 and it's amazing. Made in Indonesia model. I wanted to let you know that I called my supplier and they still carry the Indonesian IBG Hummingbirds and J200s just so you are aware. Make sure folks call their supplier to be sure that the factory code is 23 before purchasing.
I received my IBG 12-String Epiphone Hummingbird today (10/2/2024) from Musician's Friend and it is marked as coming from the Samick, Indonesia factory. I must be lucky to get one ten months later!
Great video! Very informative and you're very right about the variation in quality that can happen with these different foreign factories. The Samick factory in Indonesia is probably the most respected OEM guitar manufacturer in Asia. But one thing I'd like to point out is that Gibson/Epiphone actually own their own factory in China in Qingdao where floor managers, luthiers, etc... hired in the United States Gibson/Epiphone headquarters relocate there to train staff, oversee operations and insure quality. This factory was exclusively for Epiphone electric guitars, I suspect the Inspired By Gibson lineup has done so well they just expanded this factory to begin building the all solid wood Epiphone acoustics there as well. Because Epiphone actually owns and operates the factory, there's a chance these newer ones might even be better quality. I have not yet had a chance to try one. Here's a video shot about five years ago showing a factory tour of Epiphone's factory in Qingdao. ua-cam.com/video/LRczd_ZEf4E/v-deo.html
Now there’s some information I’ve never heard and extremely helpful! May I ask how you came into that knowledge? Is it in the video you linked? I’ll surely check it out. Thanks for the information. What’s your first name, if you don’t mind me asking?
@@randysrhythm Well, there's two parts to what I said. One is fact, the other speculation. So Epiphone does own or at least have control of a factory in China in Qingdao. Some of this information is presented in the video, you see Epiphone's branding throughout the factory and Epiphone reps talking to the press. This was a video that appears to have been intended for a Chinese audience, I'm not sure its intended audience. There was also a magazine article on the Epiphone factory in China a few years back, again, it was focused on the solid and semi-hollow body electrics. The speculation is that the IBG acoustics are now being built in this factory, as I said "I suspect the Inspired By Gibson lineup has done so well they just expanded this factory". Even if it is a different factory in Qingdao building the acoustics, the fact Epiphone has a real presence there makes me feel better about this transition. I really like that Epiphone is controlling the entire process not just contracting a OEM builder for their Asian product, I think it shows how serious they are. They know most musicians can't afford to spend $3k on a USA built Gibson and the competition from Asian factories has really heated up as the expectation on quality rises. Their real competition with these IBG acoustics is C.F. Martin's Mexican built road series and Taylor's Mexican built 100 & 200 series. Martin and Taylor both own and operate those factories as well.
Just bought a inspired by hummingbird. Saw your video AFTER it arrived. But phew it’s 2308 23. If it wasn’t a factory code 23 it would be going back. Your info is great. Cheers.
Man you got lucky, Chris! You may have gotten the last one out of the factory, considering the August of 2023 manufacture date. I’m very pleased to hear you managed a Samick factory Hummingbird. Appreciate you sharing this with us and hope to see more of you on the channel, brother man 👍🏻
Thanks for the information. Glad I bought my IBG J-45 from factory 23 already. My Alvarez Masterworks guitar was made in China and it is a fine instrument, but of course Alvarez has made quality guitars there for a long time. That said, I would hesitate to buy an IBG from China until it has been reviewed by someone like yourself, Randy.
Thank you Randy for clarifying this information. You’re a stand-up guy! I have an Indonesian built Epiphone J-45 and have really enjoyed it. I would be very hesitant to purchase a mid-level priced guitar made in China!
Man I'm really glad I have my IBG Hummingbird already; I'd love an Excellente someday, but at least I have an Epiphone IBG that is fun to play before Gibson messes things up again. 😢
In retrospect, I'm not sure of the future for IBG. I've always heard, that even those coming from Indonesia are hit and miss. I'm just glad mine is stellar. When I bought it, I did, coincidentally, see a review from a guy in Texas who I did not connect at first to be a certain finger picking guitar reviewer on UA-cam. 😉.
I have a made in China IBG Epiphone Hummingbird and to say that it sounds incredible is an understatement. All I've done to it is tear out the wires (cause its an acoustic damn it!) and replace the plastic bridge pins with bone. From my own research, it seems that the only difference is that the Chinese version is the only one that has a slotted bridge for the strings -- don't know how much of a difference that makes, but I Do know that this guitar sounds absolutely amazing. I Highly Recommend that you go to your local music shop and try one out for yourself.
Hi Allen, I’m glad to hear that you weren’t disappointed. Hopefully they maintain the standard. I think the biggest problem for most people is finding them in a guitar shop. The IBG 45 seems easy to find, but the Hummingbird and J200 are more difficult to find. I really appreciate the insights, brother man 👍🏻
Hey Allen, I just purchased one of the IBG Hummingbird's from sweetwater and I notice in the picture of my guitar there are slots in the bridge but it looks like its only the high E and B strings. Maybe its just the picture. Is this what your bridge looks like?
@@jaykarfumos No. All of the strings have notches cut into the bridge, I'm sure yours will too. Hope you enjoy it: it's a great guitar no matter what country it comes from!
Great channel with great content. I am a new subscriber. I recently purchased an Epiphone inspired by Gibson Hummingbird online. There was no sticker or anything else I could find, stating where it was made. After watching your video, I see mine was in fact made in China. I am not a fan of China made anything. They have proven not to be a reputable country in the way of industry and the cheap materials they use. However, the guitar I received turned out to be a fantastic guitar. So much so, that I bought another one from the same seller. Both have turned out to be great sounding guitars and playability is also great. What I don't like is that the seller must have removed the sticker stating it was made in China. That is dishonest. I am lucky these two guitars turned out to be so good. I will be more careful from now on. Not everyone is lucky when they receive something made in China. I'm not saying they don't make anything decent. I'm just saying what I have experienced.
Hi Rich, I think you summed things up perfectly. Sometimes we get lucky and it sounds like you did. I’m very pleased to hear that it worked out for you. Much appreciate the kind words of support, brother man 👍🏻
Hey Brother Man! Here's hoping that all is well with you and your family. Great video as always! Thank you for sharing that information. An interesting turn of events, methinks. I can count my lucky stars, therefore, that I purchased the Indonesian-made Hummingbird as well as the J-45 thanks to some gentle persuasion from your good self and J. P. Cormier! Both guitars are a pleasure to play, although I believe the Hummingbird has the edge because I am biased towards such. And the serial numbers of both come up trumps as being manufactured in Indonesia. I also have a Hummingbird Pro that I bought brand new back in 2014, which sounds and plays great (even after having suffered a broken neck through no fault of my own a few years ago). This has been my 'gigging' guitar since purchasing and so many folk have said what a beautiful sounding acoustic it is... including a former band member who played a Gibson Hummingbird and told me it sounds the same as his! Not a bad comparison for a low-end Hummingbird, eh? However, I do have something of an anomaly with the serial number because it returns a message as 'Not Recognised'! According to the initial digits, it was manufactured in September 2013, but then the factory number is 11? I cannot find details of a factory linked to this number, mind? Any thoughts? If you or any of your followers or subscribers can shed some light I would be interested to know, thank you. Anyway, keep up the good work Brother Man, and take it easy out there. Best wishes, Wolf.
Hi Wolf, I completely agree about the Hummingbird and it very much sounds like a Gibson. I always appreciate hearing from you and hope you and your family are also doing well. Do me a favor and email me a picture of the soundhole label. I’ll run this down, brother man 👍🏻
Hi Randy, Nice to hear back from you. Thank you for your offer... I have now sent an e-mail with photo. Looking forward to your verdict, whenever... Wolf. 🐺👍
Well as I've said before I don't know much about guitars but I'm glad to hear that someone like yourself has checked out the origins of these instruments, I've never tried any of them anyway so I have no frame of reference 😂😂 anyway Randy I just wanted to drop by your channel to say I hope your well as I'm not on UA-cam a lot these days and I don't get a chance to visit a lot of my friend's channels so take care and God bless you 🎸👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I’m thrilled you’re back gigging again, Trevor. I hope you post more of the live shows, as I really enjoy them. I’m afraid this video is another example of a company trying to squeeze the copper from a penny. Fortunately, I managed to get one before the move. Always appreciate hearing from you, brother man 👍🏻
Randy, thanks for the info....i have some anecdotal information regarding China made Epiphones, just as an fyi.......within the past year I have bought 2 epiphone electric guitars from Sweetwater; one was the Jerry Cantrell "wino" guitar, the other was a Les Paul Custom in Koa finish; I was blown away by the value of these guitars. They play great, feel great, sound great, and believe me when I tell you i went over every inch of these guitars, looking for the smallest flaw, and could not find one. They are literally flawless as far as I can see, both made in China. So hopefully the acoustics follow that same trend.
@@ronyeahright9536 Hi Ron, yes sir, I’m pretty impressed with their electric skills, no doubt. I’m with you, hopefully the acoustic lineup gets there. Appreciate the info, brother man 👍🏻
@@randysrhythm Like we talked about, there are issues with some Chinese made guitars and then there are some very good Chinese made ones. The issue is that Epiphone is doing this under the radar. That's dirty pool, in my humble opinion.
Looked at an Epiphone Hummingbird which I'm hankering for at marked down price in local shop today. Will go back and see if it's a 23 or what. Thank you for very informative video, liked, subscribed.
Hi Jane, fingers crossed. I hope it works out for you. These are killer instruments. I really appreciate the time you have taken to comment, and also subscribing. Welcome to the jungle 👍🏻
@randysrhythm Hi, thanks for your reply earlier. I called Guitar Center and asked a few questions. Tech said it was made in Indonesia, mahogany back and sides, rosewood fingerboard and bridge. It's been in the store 11 years (I asked)! So, it's vintage, not IBG, haha!! What do you think?
😂 I think 11 years of nobody wanting it answered that question. It’s probably a Hummingbird Pro, laminated back and sides with neck issues. Guitar Center cracks me up sometimes, with their lack of knowledge and willingness to misguide someone. Welcome to the modern nutworld where the first word on my phone to pop up, when I stated typing in “misguide” was misgender 😥.
This is what I found in a google search. 100% of ALL Epiphones were no longer being made in the USA way back in 1970. in 1970, Epiphone production in the USA shut down and was moved to Matsumoto, Japan. For the first few years of production, Epiphone guitars made in Japan were actually rebranded designs already produced by the Matsumoku Company, but models gradually improved. In 2004, Gibson opened a factory in Qingdao, China, which manufactures Epiphone guitars. With few exceptions, Epiphones are now built only in the Qingdao factory. Also in 2004, Epiphone introduced a series of acoustic guitars named Masterbilt, after a line of guitars of the 1930s, which are built in the same chines factory.
Hi Rick, great research and appreciate you sharing it. The Masterbilt line seems to remain in Indonesia at the moment, which would include the Excellente. I have confirmed that all of the IBG acoustics are now made in the China factory. Thanks again, brother man 👍🏻
Hi Randy (and everyone else on this thread), I just received an email from Sweetwater within the last couple of days letting me know that the IBG Hummingbirds were back in stock. I had put my name on an email list to be contacted when they were back in stock. It looks like that they have re-stocked with the Indonesian made guitars once again. They all have the #23 factory code in the serial numbers and also the label on the back of the headstock says "made in Indonesia". Maybe everyone is already aware of this but just thought I'd chime in and share. I went ahead and ordered one and looking forward to receiving it. Thanks for your very informative videos!
That’s great to hear, Kevin! I’ll never give up my IBG Hummingbird. Whoever built mine was determined to make his peers look bad that day 😂. Great information, brother man 👍🏻
I also ordered one. Hoping it will make a good companion to my old Harmony H-1203 and my 1993 Gibson J-30. Mine is also Made in Indonesia. Maybe it just depends on factory availability?
Hi Peter, rumor has it that the Indonesian plant is closing and everything is moving to China. I can’t seem to get that confirmed, but it wouldn’t surprise me. Regardless, sounds like you snagged one from Indonesia. If my sources are correct, you won’t find an Indonesian made IBG after 2023. The first 2 digits of the serial number is the year, so please let me know if you find time to do so, brother man 👍🏻
The Indonesia factory was a contracted factory not a Gibson owed Factory. They had problems with the Indonesia factory with guitars passed that shouldn't have been. I had to return 2 Indonesia guitars [Bridge not straight and bad tuner]. The China factory is Gibson owned and so far personally I've had 100% with them. I always prefer to deal with the factory name on the guitar not a 3rd party factory. And when I did get my first Chinese Epiphone I was shocked and made a heap of phone calls.
Hi Michael, you are one of a handful that I’ve heard from so far on the 15 factory. Shy one, everyone seems to really love them. As I’ve mentioned to you before, I was unaware that 23 was a contracted factory, so appreciate that information. As far as acoustics are concerned, I’ll be very interested to get more feedback on them. Appreciate all of the insights and hopefully others will benefit from hearing your experience, brother man. Great to have you you on the channel 👍🏻
I bought a new Epi Les Paul custom made in China. Fret work was absolute trash! In comparison my Sire L7, made in Indonesia, rivals my many Gibson LP’s and cost less than my Epi custom. China is China, regardless who owns the factory. Unless it’s Eastman, their on a whole nother level.
Hi Tom, I feel the same way. There’s just something special about this Hummingbird. You’re welcome for the video and I really appreciate you sharing your experience, brother man 👍🏻
I’m relieved to hear that. I think this is going to turn out to be a problem for this lineup, long term. Regardless, I’m glad you have the original one, brother man 👍🏻
Morning Randy. Good video. I'm not surprised that Gibson moved production. It doesn't scare me as such, but good advice on playing and inspecting before buy. At the end of the day if it's a good guitar then it's a good guitar. I ordered my Frontier, but the shop that ordered it for me ordered two so I could inspect, play, and have a choice of which I thought was best for me leaving the other for the showroom. These were both Indonesian made but so glad that two were ordered and I had a choice. I just received an Eastman (original Chinese company, and amazing instrument builders). The shop ordered two, I was able to pick the one I thought was best for me and other was for the showroom. So nice when you have a choice. I recommend playing and inspecting any guitar before purchasing. I have left American made instruments in showrooms because there was something off or not executed well enough for me (yes, I'm picky, and I usually find things that others don't 🤓). Like you said....do your homework!
Thanks Steve and great advice for everyone. I’ll be interested to hear your review of the Eastman. Thanks for stopping in and your great insights, as always 👍🏻
interesting. i bought an ibg es 335 2 weeks ago and i am very impressed with it. there is not one issue i can see or hear, overall a great guitar. factory code 15, so china as well. now i am looking for a hummningbird and at least here in germany they are mostly sold out at the moment. i guess when they are available again they might also be the china made versions. seeing that i am impressed with the china made es 335 i am looking forward to experience the hummingbirds when they are in stock again. thx for the info, have a nice day
You are most welcome. I am beginning to hear some good things about the Chinese factory with these guitars, so hopefully that continues. Appreciate the input as well 👍🏻
Same here, ES335. All it needs is a little cleanup of the fret ends and it’s good to go. I did get one with funky controls-on the middle position the bridge was silent until I rolled volume up to 10, but the replacement is aces.
I wanted to provide an update: I received my first ibg hummingbird last week and it was made in china, code 15. It unfortunately had 4 minor flaws in the finish but sounded great. Since i cannot tolerate flaws in a newly bought item, i send it back. Then, i couldnt trust my eyes, found a retailer that sold the ibg hummingbird stating it was made in indonesia. So i ordered and it just arrived. Unfortunately also flaws in the finish and overall a little sloppy built it seems to me. But heres what i found more important: The finish itself is not the same as the chnese made. It seems thicker. Also the indonesian version is quite a bit heavier! And i am pretty sure, although it might be an illusion and is propably very subjective: The indonesian made does sound different: it has more power, is rounder and warmer, really sweet sounding to my ears. So i come to think that there is a difference in the different factories: indonesia vs china. And i prefer the sound of the indonesian one by far. But regarding built quality both seem to be hit and miss. It does sound so lovely though, that i am thinking about disregarding the minor flaws in finish. But i dont think they are built exactly to the same specs is my point. Though i cannot prove that statement.
Hi Armin, that’s the kind of detail I was hoping to get from someone. I know that my Indonesian Hummingbird sounds as sweet as honey. While a bit heavy, as you alluded to, the sound is a dream come true. The finish on mine was perfect, though a bit thick, which I expected. To your point, it is quite powerful, yet very sweet sounding. Great feedback! I’ll likely post your comment, if you don’t mind, on my next update for the Hummingbird. Appreciate such a detailed comment, brother man 👍🏻
I picked up a new HB made in Indonesia. It didn’t have the paper work or box it came with and they offered to order me a new “factory fresh” one. Having heard the rumors that they moved production to China, I kindly declined the offer. Glad I did. Mine plays sweet right out of the box and I haggled a discount on it! All the ones listed on SW now are all made in China.
I’m really glad to hear about your experience. My personal experience with both guitars (I finally played one of the Chinese made) is that I’m so happy that I picked up my Indonesian IBG Hummingbird. I had exactly the same experience as you. It’s one of the sweetest sounding guitars that I’ve heard. Appreciate you letting me know about your experience, brother man 👍🏻
I was looking at the Epiphone Excellente after seeing your amazing review so I wonder if that is now being produced in China as well? That would be a shame. Thank you for this update. I'm going to be very careful moving forward.
I honestly had never heard of the Excellelente. I have owned many Epiphone guitars over the years and I bought a J-200 that I absolutely love so I was blown away by your review. I have been watching many reviews for this guitar and there is a constant theme throughout the reviews. Everyone loves this guitar. Here in Canada it is closer to $2,000.00 which is a lot of money for anyone. Thanks again for a great,honest review. Very cool.
Well this guitar was next on my list to buy. I guess I’ll have to be careful. Maybe buy used. Thanks as always for what you do Randy! It’s always appreciated.
@@randysrhythm I found one last night on sweetwater that was a demo with a few scratches on it that was the right serial number and I bought it. I looked around quite a bit last night and the Indonesian serial numbers are hard to find now. People have snatched them up!
@@randysrhythm love it so far! It’s a beautiful guitar and sounds great! Thanks for the recommendation! I owe you for a couple of my guitars now! Don’t worry, I won’t tell my wife that you’re responsible!
Hi Jonas, don’t count yourself out on the purchase just yet. Hopefully you will have code 23. There are still some out there with that code that are new and may not have sold yet. Let me know what you ended up with, please.
Both of mine ended up being 23. Hummingbird and j200. I see all of them have some models with the 15 code. Definitely be nice to see and hear the 2 side by side.
I just purchased one of these and sure enough, it’s from China. I’m an intermediate player, at best. So far, I love it, but admittedly I’m not a good judge of tone or quality. Compared to the 25 year old Fender DG-7 I’m used to, the quality is outstanding. I love it, but again, I’m not a good enough guitarist to really know if I’m missing anything. Feeling a little skeptical about my purchase now though 😂
Hi Pat, keep in mind that I did mention playing them first. It’s not that China can’t make a nice guitar, but I’d have to play it first. If you love yours, that’s all that matters. I’m not trashing Chinese made guitars, but in my experience, they need a closer look. Sounds like you did get a good one and I am very pleased to hear that, brother man 👍🏻
My Indonesian had a twisted neck. I bought it used online so no warranty. I got rid of it after only having it a few days. Ended up buying a Gibson while GC had 0% financing and have zero regrets.
Sounds like you got snake bit, Snakebite. I hate that you got burned by someone on that. The Gibson is the original of course and certainly a great instrument. Appreciate you sharing your experience, brother man 👍🏻
@@randysrhythm I did. I can't say whether or not the seller knew it but it was a dud. This thing was mint, still had all the tags and case candy from the factory. I think it was just a lemon that slipped by QC. It sounded great though other than a horrible buzz that a fret level couldn't even cure
Whenever possible try and check the guitar. I think that's more important than origin of manufacturing. I ordered a Epiphone Excellente (made in Indonesia) and construction and attention to detail is not great. Ebony bridge edges are roughly and unevenly bevelled (bottom part looks like the builder just gave up), guitar arrived with pickguard unstuck, just loose inside the carboard box. Sides have a very subtle (but noticeable if you look with light hitting on it) "depression" along, not perfectly flat. The finish in the joint area between neck and body "bleeds" a bit, being more noticeable because of the dark wood of the body and light wood of the neck. Despite this it does sound great and the neck is beautiful. A while back I also ordered a Yamaha FGX5 and it came with a finish issue on the sides, sort of like a "chalk" white coloration embedded in the dark finish, not fixable. It also came with a big component inside the soundhole unglued just dangling. Recently I tried another FGX5 at a store and it was pristine, flawless construction. Whenever possible try before you buy or order with possibility to return.
What's funny is, in my own review of the Epi IBG Hummingbird, I made a comment that I felt it was so good that it outcompeted Gibson's own "budget" line of American acoustics (like the G-Bird, etc) and Gibson would realize that and either discontinue or cheapen these instruments to compensate, and then I keep getting comments that this happened, it's wild to see.
What a bummer. I see the J-200 still seems made in Indonesia (you can see in both the serial number and the sticker with the country of origin). The Hummingbird is made in China. I recently bought a PRS McCarty SE made in Indonesia at Cor-tek and it's a great instrument.
Hi Patzer, I have heard that the Gibson contract is running out in Indonesia, so eventually everything will move to China. I’d like to try one of the PRS acoustics, so it’s encouraging that you have a positive experience there. Appreciate you taking the time to comment on this, brother man 👍🏻
I have all the ibg epihone acoustics. Hummingbird, j200, and j45 slash version. They are very fine guitars. Also have all three masterbuild epiphones, excellente, teaxan, and the frontier. All made in Indonesia. I love those guitars. I own gibson acoustics as well but i wont get into that...sure they are superior... But i still love the epiphones. And i also ordered recently the new j45 inspired by gibson custom shop made in china with aged top and a nut width equal to the gibson j45. Came with a beautiful case and the playability is superp, and sound is terrific in its own right, and the electronics are lg bags...got it used for a steal. Tomorrow im getting delivered the new epiphone sj200 custom shop. Im sure it will be a winner. They are all different in sound and playability but thats what i love about them, they inspire me in different ways. I'm in guitar, heaven, man!!😊
@@johnnygalileosab9272 Hi Johnny, I’m pleased to be getting more of these positive opinions on the China factory. I think they must be getting better. Appreciate your insights and I really appreciate you taking the time to post a comment. Some really great guitars, brother man 👍🏻
@randysrhythm Yes Randy. The IBG custom shop J45 I recently purchased is a banner J45 from 1942 made in China. The custom shop copied the model from 1942...as I mentioned before it has the nut width slightly wider than the regular IBG Indonesian guitars-exact width as a current Gibson J45. But you know a Gibson from 1942 will be a little different than a modern but all the same outstanding. On a different note: I heard you say that the IBG Indonesian Humming bird was the best sounding guitar you had. I started to study your statement and reevaluated my IBG hummingbird, and lo and behold I could also hear the sublime exceptional tone on that guitar...it is a guitar tone for the ages...and to think I had been neglecting that guitar. All the same thanks again for your many guitar inspirations.
That’s exactly why I got 4 , these inspired by Gibson guitars - electric and acoustic, are following the squier classic vibe guitar models , the first generation ones were incredible. Then they slowly got worse over time when they moved them from factory to factory .
Hi J, I actually played the Chinese version of this guitar tonight and will upload a short on it in a few days. Glad you found a 23. I don’t think they’ve moved back, so that’s interesting that Sweetwater shows that they have it. Great hearing from you and appreciate that intel, brother man 👍🏻
I knew eventually there would be no more new options out of Indonesia. Folks might still find a used one on Reverb. Appreciate the update, brother man 👍🏻
Thank you for that information. Does that apply to Epiphone masterbilt excellente? Mine is still in the air waiting for it to get shipped. I ordered it last month and so far no news.
You’re welcome. I don’t think it will apply to the Excellente. It has been a Masterbilt from the beginning. I think this just affects the IBG lineup 👍🏻
OK do you like the way it feels, do you like the way it sounds, I like the way it looks, then who cares where it’s built at as long as you’re happy with the quality you’re paying for, are you happy with the price that’s all that matters
Hi John, you summed it up nicely with the quality comment. I find a lot of folks may not know what to look for in that arena. All great points, so let’s hope the China factory takes up the same banner 👍🏻
Thank you but I love my American built guitars and my Taylor’s Rickenbacker bass etc but I have a knock off D27 from Japan 1974 and it’s has stood the test of time. It’s a Diastone and Martin put the company out of biz when they caught the factory putting their brand on the very custom Martins they built under contract back in the day. Merry Christmas God bless you
Yep, too many people buy with their eyes or for political reasons. I love the fact that my hummingbird came from a Gibson factory and not some contracted out one.
Very good to know. Thank you for sharing. Based on great reviews online, I tried an Indonesian made sample at the GC and it sounded good as I was trading in my first guitar, FGX800C, but not particularly loud. It sounded better than the FG830 I tried as well as a $1000 Martin. They suggested I order a new one in box so I did. The main thing I didn’t like was, it was very heavy. Researching indicates it’s at least a pound or more heavier than other dreadnoughts. The fact it seemed quiet and heavy, seems to me that lighter woods would resonate more than heavy ones. I cancelled the order. This was before I saw this video so I’m glad I did. I came home and played my FGX3 and it was so much lighter, resonated more, and sounded great. Will look for something else to complement my FGX3, maybe a LL16D.
Hi Jae, yes sir, the IBG is certainly heavier than its Gibson counterpart. I really landed a great one, but every guitar is a bit different. You’re welcome for the information. Yamaha has been putting out some fantastic guitars as of late. In fact, I’ll be reviewing the FS5 this week on the channel that I purchased a few weeks ago. Hope to see more of you on the channel, brother man 👍🏻
Looking forward to your review of the FS5 ! I thought about an FG5 but seemed very similar to the FG3 if you upgrade the saddle and nut so I went with that. Sweetwater said they take more care to build an FGX3 as they need to fit the electronics so they consider it a higher level. Not sure if that’s true but there was a special so I went with it. If they come out with an FG7 I may go for it, not sure I’m ready for an FG9 yet. Trying to earn my way to better guitars as I gain some skill, as I’m too much of a beginner but I do have audiophile taste so now I’m a gear head 😆. Over 10 years ago I tried learning guitar with my daughter but gave up as I was just too busy and it was too hard. Now I’m retired so trying again. Before I went straight to high end and got a HD-35 which sounded great but I gave it away to my musician buddy and he loves it of course. My daughter has my Gibson ES359 Ebony, she said she will give back to me soon so I’ll have something else to practice with. It’s a fun path, a new passion I found.
You seem to be in the beginning stages of what’s known as GAS, a medical condition acronym diagnosed some years ago and stands for Guitar Acquisition Syndrome 😂. This channel is one of a few therapy groups out there, brother man 👍🏻
@@randysrhythm I've had GAS, gear acquisition syndrome in many other areas of my hobbies. I need to work on SAS, Skill Acquistion Syndrome, lol. As luck would have it, GC gave me some nonsense when cancelling, in the end it got delivered today. I can return it after receiving it. To my surprise, it turns out to be made in Indonesia, very well made all around. I have to say, it's beautiful, no major defects anywhere but there is some thin glue overflow along the frets that got the plastic a little dirty. My rough bathroom scale measures it at 5.6lbs vs 4.8lbs for the FGX3. Less than a pound heavier, not too bad and......the sound is amazing, different from FGX3 and seems louder than the sample I tried at GC. I think GC has a large inventory of these so they may have many Indonesian made ones still left in their main warehouse where mine was sent from. We'll see where I go with this. Hard to give up this Indonesian sample.....giving GAS a kick start. Action was set high and the strings are uncoated "Gibson" strings so changing them to 80/20 Elixir Nanos that come with the Yamaha could make it that much better.
SAS, I’ll use that if you don’t mind 😂. If your IBG is surely Indonesian, hang on to it like grim death, if you can get the action right. I think the FS5 I bought will be my last Yamaha. It’s okay, but just doesn’t strike me. I’m also told that while the spec said it has a rosewood pickguard, that may not be true. Another commenter said that they are not completely built in Japan, but are finalized in Japan. I have no idea what to believe, but that much counter information is enough to leave room for doubt. I detest dishonest specs. Always appreciate you, brother man 👍🏻
I had bought both guitars Hummingbird and Excelente made in Indonesia both of them are defective- Hummingbird with fredboard cracks and with a gap between neck binding and fretboard. On Excellente - bridge doesn’t installed straight and doesn’t aligned with the body’s string holes. To be honest I like both guitars and they sound very good but have to return them due these defects. Haven’t tried Chinese yet.
Hi Boris, I really hate to hear that. My Excellente and HB were perfect. If you do get the new ones from china, please keep in the loop. I’m trying to get a good feel from the folks out there on the quality. Appreciate you letting me know, brother man 👍🏻
Hi David, while a blue sticker is on the Masterbilts, the decoding of the serial numbers are the same. At this time I do not foresee them moving to China, but please double-check the serial number on all Epiphone guitars due to the eventual possibility of a move. Merry Christmas to you and yours as well, David and thank you for the question, brother man 👍🏻
This a business move by Gibson ! Looks like they are falling back to their old ways. Wonder how many people you made stick their nose in the sound hole looking for 23. LOL / I have had two hummingbirds ibg. Gave them to grandsons. Looking for a good used one now for myself. Had one located but it was China made / glad I watched video today. Thanks !Jeff Clark from Rockdale Texas
Hi Jeff, Sandow country! In 2005/2006 I had business down there at the switchyard. Beautiful country. Glad you caught the video beforehand, brother man 👍🏻
This guitar was in my purchase list for next spring. I have a problem now, I do not want to have any Chinese guitars. Many thanks for informing this very essential change.
The new ones made in China are Hand Crafted and then sent back to the US to be 100% set up and inspected in the US. Hopefully these are good guitars as well. That is the case with the Miranda Lambert Bluebird, which is simply a Hummingbird painted blue with a different pick guard.
Hi Rodney, I’m with you, hopefully they are quality instruments. The feedback I’ve received thus far leans more on the side of problematic at this point. The China factory has historically only built electrics, and from what I’ve seen are very quality instruments. Acoustics seem to be a new journey for that factory. I looked at the Miranda Hummingbird and there’s one major difference between hers and the Inspired by Gibson models, which is the Miranda Lambert Hummingbird back and sides are layered mahogany, as opposed to the IBG’s all solid woods. It is a nice looking guitar and I’m sure sounds great. Appreciate you taking the time to comment, brother man 👍🏻
I have a big hummingbird made in China my guitar plays perfect no issues my friend played in many bands builds guitars said it was beautiful it's only your opinion so you can't say that it's only your opinion I have several Gibson there are Gibson's with issues check with Sweetwater techs I have no issues in China factory it is the same instrument and same quality control
Hi John, I have now had the opportunity to play both. They are not even close to the same build. The Chinese version is much lighter and the bracing is different. This is not an opinion, it is a fact. The Chinese version sounded pretty good, but it’s not nearly as rich and deep in tone. That said, I liked the sound. Several people have stopped by to let me know they liked it, which I was glad to hear. The QC isn’t what it was in Indonesia either. The one I played had neck issues. The Chinese plant is primarily an electric guitar plant, and there’s a huge difference between building an electric vs acoustic. I hope they get better, but time will tell. Appreciate you stopping in and sharing your experience 👍🏻
Thanks or the info, just to bring some balance Squire Classic Vibes were first produced in China, they are now the sought after CV's they moved to Indonesia and quality went down as I remember many people suggesting, My view is all the far east factories are now producing quality it's just they need time to bed in at first
Hey Ny, there are certainly some factories over there that do great work. Fingers crossed that they are held to the same standards. Appreciate you sharing your insights here, brother man 👍🏻
To be honest, wages and operations are likely more expensive in that part of China than in Indonesia, so it seems a strange decision if its being done in order to cut manufacturing costs. Might be in order to access the Chinese guitar consumer market without shipping costs and import taxes ? Also, in theory for factory-made guitars rather than luthier-made guitars it shouldn't really matter where its made, Indonesia, China, Mexico, as long as materials are the same, and training and quality control is good. Yamaha seem to manage it at their factory. But of course time will tell as these new Chinese ones hit the market and get compared. I'm still glad I got my Indonesian Masterbilt J45 while I did, just in case...
It will be the dedicated Epiphone factory in China, so there hopefully won’t be much difference from the Indonesian ones. My Alvarez Masterworks was made in China and it’s an excellent all solid guitar.
Hey Tonto, glad to have another Irishman on the channel. They are sonically almost identical. In fact, so close it would freak you out. It’s just that the Gibson has a better finish and scratchplate. Appreciate the question, brother man 👍🏻
No need to panic ! There have been so great guitars come out of China. Don’t condemn something before you have tried it. Let’s see some reviews . We may be surprised 😎
Hi Will, you’re right and I said that in the video. My main point was that it is not the guitar that I reviewed. As good as they may turn out to be, moving the factory is a game changer. I hope they do turn out to be great guitars. It’s simply no longer apples to apples. I do plan to try and find one and play it. Appreciate the input, brother man 👍🏻
This is incredibly interesting! I have my eyes on the Epiphone IBG J45 and I can't get over the Sweetwater Exclusive Viper Blue. It seems they will be made solely in China since they are so new. Any advice as to how I should go about this?
Thanks, Anthony. I’d say, cautiously 😂, as far as securing one goes. I’m very concerned with this factory change and in my opinion it is concerning. I know you’re looking at the viper blue, but you may want to consider natural or burst with a factory code of 23. They can still be found out there. The jury is still out for me on the new ones. I’m hearing now that there’s no side bracing on them. Appreciate the kindness and the comment, brother man 👍🏻
@@randysrhythm I guess I could always get one and see how I feel about it and if it’s no good, return it! Also wondering if it would be more worth while to save for a Gibson J45🤔
@margiez6002 Hi Margie, in my last upload in the Shorts tab, I actually and finally found one to play. I thought it sounded really good. It was also much lighter than my Indonesian one. The only complaint I had was the QC. The action was at least a 1/4” high in the center neck and I couldn’t get it tuned properly. I was unable to determine if it was a neck issue, or something more simple. Either way, I was surprised at how much I liked it. Maybe they’ll take luthier lessons from Eastman at some point. Appreciate you sharing, ma’am 👍🏻
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Randy, what an amazing amount of research you’ve conducted from
The time of our phone call this morning. It thrills me to know how much you care about our viewers, and for taking stock in the information I had for you
You are a supreme source of guitar inspiration 🙏🎸🙏
You’re a good man, Paul Georgia, and thanks for letting me know about this, brother man 👍🏻
Hi Randy. New subscriber here. I watched your review on the IBG Hummingbird, and also your STOP review. I am so happy I did. I've been in the market for the IBG Hummer for over a year. After watching your review, I did a manual search at the local guitar stores and found, today, a NEW 2022, factory code 23, IBG hummingbird. The quality is perfect, the tone is perfect, the weight is 5lb 8.5 oz, which I found online is consistent with ALL the Indonesian IBG HB's. The Chinese ones range from 4lb 4oz to 5lb. Not sure why the range in the Chinese ones. Probably the body wood thickness is not as strictly monitored, who knows. Anyway, thanks again for the great review and steering me in the right direction.
Hi Bob, you just made my day, brother man 👍🏻
I bought one made in China its excellent.
Im very satisfied.
Peace ✌️ ☮️ 🕊
Hi Brooke, I’m getting mixed reviews of the China built ones. I’m very glad to hear that yours is a good one. I think most of the complaints I have heard are about the QC process. Again, very pleased to hear that you received a good one 👍🏻
I ordered one from a shop on Reverb. The ad photos showed the guitar with a made-in-Indonesia sticker. I double-checked with them and they said the guitar they were sending was actually made in China. The pictures on the ad were just stock photos and not the actual guitar I was buying.
Canceled that order.
Did some dedicated searching and found an old stock new guitar with the right serial number 23 for Samick, Indonesia and produced in January of 2022. I ordered it and its on the way. $52 more, but that's worth it.
Thanks for your research Randy!
I’m really glad to hear that you did your homework. Most of these guitar stores do not understand this Gibson process and journey on these IBGs. Unfortunately, just about every guitar store that I’ve been in, they were clueless. I’ve yet to find one that even knew how to read the serial number. I don’t really fault them, because they sell hundreds of guitar brands, so it can be challenging to know every detail on every model. That just makes it even more important for us to do our homework. Great job running this down and congratulations on landing one. Fingers crossed that you get a great one. Your odds are certainly better. Let me know how it turns out, brother man 👍🏻
thank you so much ,i seen so many good reviews on the IBG j45 i was looking for one and if not for me finding your video i would of bought the wrong one with my luck ,lol bought a indonesian made j45 yesterday and ur right its very nice im very happy
Appreciate the story and it makes my day to hear that. You are most welcome, brother man 👍🏻
Randy I appreciate your honesty and looking out for your fellow musicians!! Much respect!
You betcha, brother man 👍🏻
Amazing, Randy! Great sharing! Best wishes. God bless.
Thank you, Happy!
So informative, so honest…so refreshing in todays world….thanks from a guy who enjoys doing his homework when investing in a guitar…cheers mate! 🇨🇦👍🏻
Thank you, brother man, and appreciate the vote of confidence 👍🏻
I checked my IBG hummingbird 12-string, and, luckily, it was built in Indonesia. Positions 5 and 6 are “23”. I was very relieved!
Thank you!
Great to hear, Merv. You are most welcome, brother man 👍🏻
Mine is thankfully a 23, Indonesian made guitar…. Thanks for this informative posting, Randy. Invaluable info. Much appreciated, Sir! 👍🏴🎸🇺🇸
Hi Graham, I’m really glad to hear that. Always appreciate hearing from you, brother man 👍🏻
Dear Randy, i hope you are doing well my friend!! it was a pleasure to listen to you about the epiphone !!
Ms Julie, always an honor to hear from you! In these times we live in, you really have to be careful buying guitars, as I’m sure your band mates have mentioned. Seems everyone is trying to squeeze every last ounce of silver out of a dime and should be more focused on quality. Oh well, at least we have each other to try and find the good guitars 👍🏻
Thank you Randy. My J 45 and excellente both have factory codes 23.
Great to hear, Bruce. You’re most welcome, brother man 👍🏻
Very helpful of you to explain the numbers on the label! First time learning for me. Thank you! James
You are most welcome, James 👍🏻
It’s usual for epiphone to produce both in China and Indonesia, it’s been like this for years, as far as I know...
I read in the forums that there are those who prefer Indonesian ones and those who prefer Chinese ones, I think each guitar is an “animal of its own” and should be tested before buying. Greetings from Italy, Randy and sorry for my bad english 😅
Of all the IBG I have tried over the last year they all had issues with poor intonation the most common. Another issue with all was that they were so dam heavy (6lbs +)
Hey brother man, the English is fine. Yes, they have had factories in both places, but this is the first time the produced the IBG acoustics there. It may not be a problem, but then again it may be 👍🏻
I Randy, thank you so much for the warning. I did the January sale at my local store here in France to pick a IBG J 200 and the seller confirm that out of the 3 in stock two were serial 15 and one 23. I was lucky.... The Hummingbird IBG AAN badged 15 that I saw in store sounded OK but the sitka spruce table had color issues. They did not have 23 left, so I will wait for a second hand one. Thanks so much for your great job and playing, All rhe best for 2024
Hi Jean, you are most welcome and I’m pleased to see folks doing their homework on these guitars. I think you’ve made the right decision. I did see a few on Reverb with a serial number containing 23, but hopefully one will come up in France for you. I do appreciate you sharing your experience with me, brother man, and I’ll hope to hear you found one very soon 👍🏻
Tried the from China the IBG J45 and the Hummingbird. All I can say is awesome sound and build quality. Intonation dead on right to the 14th fret and beyond. Not too many acoustic guitars have that kind on intonation including some Indonesia IBG ‘s.
All is well
Thanks Will, that gives me hope. A change in factories requires new testimonies, as would be expected. Glad to get a good report and thanks for sharing that info with us, brother man 👍🏻
What a powerful job my friend! I wish to you all success around! Stay strong, be positive. We all struggle sometimes... and that's ok! Never give up! Believing in yourself is the first secret to success! Here's my big like for you and I don't forget to press the 🛎 button! ☺️
Thank you 👍🏻
Sure enough, one of the head stocks on the IBG Hummingbird has a “manufactured in China” on it. Appreciate you making us aware brother Man!
That was on Sweetwater website
You are most welcome, brother man 👍🏻
My J45 I bought brand new two months ago, turns out to be a november 2022 example, and thankfully samick. Thanks for the information Randy!
Hi Dawid, great to hear from you and you are most welcome, brother man 👍🏻
Glad you have the Indonesian version!
Thanks, now I know about the serial number. Checked mine and it has 23 for the factory number built in 2102. Great information
You are most welcome and I’m really glad you got one from the old Samick factory. I don’t think they will ever top those builds. Appreciate you sharing, brother man 👍🏻
Another proud owner of a MiC IBG Hummingbird, made in the late 2023. I cannot imagine how or why an Indonesian one could be a better instrument. This guitar was perfect right out of the box and it sounds incredible.
Very pleased to hear that. As you probably understand, that factory is better known for turning out some great electric guitars. However, the building of an acoustic is very different. I do get comments from time to time that reflects some really good work on the IBGs made there, but the ratio of them shipping a great acoustic guitar vs a problem one is about 20/80. I’m really glad you managed a great one. I played one at a guitar store recently and found it much lighter, which appealed to me. However, it had neck angle problems. As far as sound goes, it it was really good, but it wasn’t as rich as my Indonesian version. It wasn’t bad, just different. I actually liked the woody tone I got from it. Appreciate you sharing your experience with it and hopefully I’ll get more feedback like yours 👍🏻
Howdy Randy . . . . I understand your passion for your guitars, in particular Epiphone! I listened and read a few of your comments, and all I can add to that is . . . . . it's the way of the world. My biggest gripe is the materials used to build guitars nowadays . . . . most importantly the timber used. Again . . . the world we now live in. Manufacturing down here has become nearly inexistent. So very sad indeed Randy. I listened to an hour long segment (a while ago) that featured a respected acoustic guitar collector/enthusiast, a university professor, who travelled the world in search of the trees where guitar timber is sought. It is unsustainable. Brazilian rosewood . . . pretty much gone! The list of endangered trees used to supply timber to guitar luthiers is lengthy. He was asked what material will be used in years to come . . . . I don't think you would like to hear his prediction.
Anywho . . . I realise I've gone off track here, but your video caused me to think of the future of the making of acoustic guitars in general. I could go on and on regarding this subject.
Love your uploads my ol' Mate. 🎸 🎼 🎶 👌
Hey John, I’ve seen similar videos about that topic myself. It makes me grateful that I a collection already in place, as I’m sure it does you as well. Yes sir, it’s very unfortunate. I think what irritated me most was Gibson getting all of the great reviews and then sliding the factory COI change in. I suspect for the reasons you listed, not the least of which was materials and labor costs. Always appreciate getting your insights, brother man 👍🏻
Good morning,
Magnificent sharing and performance. A pleasant moment of listening.. Thank you
Congratulations. 1 like ..
Good day. See you soon Danielle
Thank you, Danielle 👍🏻
I've been considering the Epi Slash J45 and this is very helpful. Thank you.
You are most welcome, sir 👍🏻
I bought one online here in the UK and it's not great. Just a bit dull.
I live in the UK, I own a couple Eastman acoustic guitars. I believe all Eastman guitars are built in China, however, they are still hand-crafted and built with solid woods. I watched a UA-cam video showing an Eastman factory tour and not a single machine in sight.
I think Eastman has this down pat in their factory. Rave reviews on their lineup, for sure. I have since played one of newer Epiphones and think they’d benefit from an Eastman tour, brother man 👍🏻
Thanks so much. Thankfully, the J-45 IBG I just received has factory 23. When I purchased it I did look at the sticker that said Indonesia on the back of the Sweetwater pictures.
Good deal, Rich! I have received a few horror stories of folks not double-checking, so this is refreshing, brother man 👍🏻
Great info. Thanks again, Randy.
You betcha, Ms Brooke 👍🏻
You have solved the mystery of why my new Hummingbird has “Issues”. Your videos were one of the many videos I watched when deciding to buy an IBG Hummingbird recently. It came in dire need of a set up…extremely dry fretboard and bridge…when I took it in for a proper set up my tech identified that the element under the saddle is installed incorrectly making it impossible to properly set up the guitar saddle without replacing and reinstalling the element. I’m waiting for Sweetwater to confirm if they will support the work required to make it right!!!! I’ve been so bummed out that after not being able to find a bad review on this guitar, I got a lemon. After checking the serial number, it’s #00027 out of factory code 15!!!
Randy, Thank you for making this video to let folks know that these new ones are clearly NOT the same quality as the ones made the original factory!!
Hey Unc, I hate to hear that, but it just doesn’t surprise me, sad as it is. Sweetwater will make it right. If they don’t, let me know. You can email me as well. I’m happy to make a call to them if necessary. I’m not too sure I wouldn’t just send it back for a refund and then see if you can find one used on Reverb. Either way, very discouraging. I appreciate you reaching out and letting me know.
You are most welcome for the information, but I’m not very pleased that I couldn’t make this video sooner. Thanks again, brother man 👍🏻
@@randysrhythm Hey Randy, Happy to share that Sweetwater DID make it right and they are allowing me to return the guitar even though I'm a few days over the return window. I did share with them that I also felt that all current reviews need to be removed as they are selling a new instrument. I am taking your advice and looking around to find one with a factory code of 23!!
@@unclet5112Hi Unc, Sweetwater are currently either going to edit my review (I gave them permission to do it), or remove it. My sales guy has always treated me right, which is why I deal with them. I’m happy to get confirmation from you that they are still folks of their word. I really appreciate you providing the update, brother man. You’re welcome at my fire anytime 👍🏻
I currently own the Epiphone IBG J200 and it's amazing. Made in Indonesia model. I wanted to let you know that I called my supplier and they still carry the Indonesian IBG Hummingbirds and J200s just so you are aware. Make sure folks call their supplier to be sure that the factory code is 23 before purchasing.
I’m really glad to hear that, brother man. Yes sir, great advice 👍🏻
I received my IBG 12-String Epiphone Hummingbird today (10/2/2024) from Musician's Friend and it is marked as coming from the Samick, Indonesia factory. I must be lucky to get one ten months later!
@@austinmc62 That made me smile, Berkley. Yes sir, you certainly were lucky. Hope you enjoy it, brother man 👍🏻
Great video! Very informative and you're very right about the variation in quality that can happen with these different foreign factories. The Samick factory in Indonesia is probably the most respected OEM guitar manufacturer in Asia. But one thing I'd like to point out is that Gibson/Epiphone actually own their own factory in China in Qingdao where floor managers, luthiers, etc... hired in the United States Gibson/Epiphone headquarters relocate there to train staff, oversee operations and insure quality. This factory was exclusively for Epiphone electric guitars, I suspect the Inspired By Gibson lineup has done so well they just expanded this factory to begin building the all solid wood Epiphone acoustics there as well. Because Epiphone actually owns and operates the factory, there's a chance these newer ones might even be better quality. I have not yet had a chance to try one. Here's a video shot about five years ago showing a factory tour of Epiphone's factory in Qingdao.
ua-cam.com/video/LRczd_ZEf4E/v-deo.html
Now there’s some information I’ve never heard and extremely helpful! May I ask how you came into that knowledge? Is it in the video you linked? I’ll surely check it out. Thanks for the information. What’s your first name, if you don’t mind me asking?
@@randysrhythm Well, there's two parts to what I said. One is fact, the other speculation. So Epiphone does own or at least have control of a factory in China in Qingdao. Some of this information is presented in the video, you see Epiphone's branding throughout the factory and Epiphone reps talking to the press. This was a video that appears to have been intended for a Chinese audience, I'm not sure its intended audience. There was also a magazine article on the Epiphone factory in China a few years back, again, it was focused on the solid and semi-hollow body electrics. The speculation is that the IBG acoustics are now being built in this factory, as I said "I suspect the Inspired By Gibson lineup has done so well they just expanded this factory". Even if it is a different factory in Qingdao building the acoustics, the fact Epiphone has a real presence there makes me feel better about this transition. I really like that Epiphone is controlling the entire process not just contracting a OEM builder for their Asian product, I think it shows how serious they are. They know most musicians can't afford to spend $3k on a USA built Gibson and the competition from Asian factories has really heated up as the expectation on quality rises. Their real competition with these IBG acoustics is C.F. Martin's Mexican built road series and Taylor's Mexican built 100 & 200 series. Martin and Taylor both own and operate those factories as well.
Wonderful place and GoodLuck
Just bought a inspired by hummingbird. Saw your video AFTER it arrived. But phew it’s 2308 23. If it wasn’t a factory code 23 it would be going back. Your info is great. Cheers.
Man you got lucky, Chris! You may have gotten the last one out of the factory, considering the August of 2023 manufacture date. I’m very pleased to hear you managed a Samick factory Hummingbird. Appreciate you sharing this with us and hope to see more of you on the channel, brother man 👍🏻
My J45 is from Bozeman so no worries.
😂 Yes sir, I get it 👍🏻
Thanks for the information. Glad I bought my IBG J-45 from factory 23 already.
My Alvarez Masterworks guitar was made in China and it is a fine instrument, but of course Alvarez has made quality guitars there for a long time. That said, I would hesitate to buy an IBG from China until it has been reviewed by someone like yourself, Randy.
Hi Mark, agreed and thanks for the kind words, undeserved as they are 👍🏻
Really appreciate this info!! Thanks alot!
You are most welcome 👍🏻
Thank you Randy for clarifying this information. You’re a stand-up guy! I have an Indonesian built Epiphone J-45 and have really enjoyed it. I would be very hesitant to purchase a mid-level priced guitar made in China!
Hi Ed, I hold those same reservations. I’m glad you found the video informative and really appreciate the kind words, brother man 👍🏻
THANK YOU for explaining that 23, after the year and month, means Indonesia, which is where the quality is! James
You’re very welcome, James. I’m glad you were able to pick up some useful info, brother man 👍🏻
Thanks so much, Randy for sharing your knowledge and educating us!!❣
You are most welcome, Ms Kathy 👍🏻
Man I'm really glad I have my IBG Hummingbird already; I'd love an Excellente someday, but at least I have an Epiphone IBG that is fun to play before Gibson messes things up again. 😢
In retrospect, I'm not sure of the future for IBG. I've always heard, that even those coming from Indonesia are hit and miss. I'm just glad mine is stellar. When I bought it, I did, coincidentally, see a review from a guy in Texas who I did not connect at first to be a certain finger picking guitar reviewer on UA-cam. 😉.
Hi David, I agree and I’m puzzled by this. Great to hear from you, brother man 👍🏻
I have a made in China IBG Epiphone Hummingbird and to say that it sounds incredible is an understatement. All I've done to it is tear out the wires (cause its an acoustic damn it!) and replace the plastic bridge pins with bone. From my own research, it seems that the only difference is that the Chinese version is the only one that has a slotted bridge for the strings -- don't know how much of a difference that makes, but I Do know that this guitar sounds absolutely amazing. I Highly Recommend that you go to your local music shop and try one out for yourself.
Hi Allen, I’m glad to hear that you weren’t disappointed. Hopefully they maintain the standard. I think the biggest problem for most people is finding them in a guitar shop. The IBG 45 seems easy to find, but the Hummingbird and J200 are more difficult to find. I really appreciate the insights, brother man 👍🏻
Hey Allen, I just purchased one of the IBG Hummingbird's from sweetwater and I notice in the picture of my guitar there are slots in the bridge but it looks like its only the high E and B strings. Maybe its just the picture. Is this what your bridge looks like?
@@jaykarfumos No. All of the strings have notches cut into the bridge, I'm sure yours will too. Hope you enjoy it: it's a great guitar no matter what country it comes from!
Great channel with great content. I am a new subscriber. I recently purchased an Epiphone inspired by Gibson Hummingbird online. There was no sticker or anything else I could find, stating where it was made. After watching your video, I see mine was in fact made in China. I am not a fan of China made anything. They have proven not to be a reputable country in the way of industry and the cheap materials they use. However, the guitar I received turned out to be a fantastic guitar. So much so, that I bought another one from the same seller. Both have turned out to be great sounding guitars and playability is also great. What I don't like is that the seller must have removed the sticker stating it was made in China. That is dishonest. I am lucky these two guitars turned out to be so good. I will be more careful from now on. Not everyone is lucky when they receive something made in China. I'm not saying they don't make anything decent. I'm just saying what I have experienced.
Hi Rich, I think you summed things up perfectly. Sometimes we get lucky and it sounds like you did. I’m very pleased to hear that it worked out for you. Much appreciate the kind words of support, brother man 👍🏻
Hey Brother Man! Here's hoping that all is well with you and your family.
Great video as always! Thank you for sharing that information. An interesting turn of events, methinks. I can count my lucky stars, therefore, that I purchased the Indonesian-made Hummingbird as well as the J-45 thanks to some gentle persuasion from your good self and J. P. Cormier! Both guitars are a pleasure to play, although I believe the Hummingbird has the edge because I am biased towards such. And the serial numbers of both come up trumps as being manufactured in Indonesia.
I also have a Hummingbird Pro that I bought brand new back in 2014, which sounds and plays great (even after having suffered a broken neck through no fault of my own a few years ago). This has been my 'gigging' guitar since purchasing and so many folk have said what a beautiful sounding acoustic it is... including a former band member who played a Gibson Hummingbird and told me it sounds the same as his! Not a bad comparison for a low-end Hummingbird, eh?
However, I do have something of an anomaly with the serial number because it returns a message as 'Not Recognised'! According to the initial digits, it was manufactured in September 2013, but then the factory number is 11? I cannot find details of a factory linked to this number, mind? Any thoughts? If you or any of your followers or subscribers can shed some light I would be interested to know, thank you.
Anyway, keep up the good work Brother Man, and take it easy out there.
Best wishes, Wolf.
Hi Wolf, I completely agree about the Hummingbird and it very much sounds like a Gibson. I always appreciate hearing from you and hope you and your family are also doing well. Do me a favor and email me a picture of the soundhole label. I’ll run this down, brother man 👍🏻
Hi Randy,
Nice to hear back from you. Thank you for your offer... I have now sent an e-mail with photo. Looking forward to your verdict, whenever... Wolf. 🐺👍
Well as I've said before I don't know much about guitars but I'm glad to hear that someone like yourself has checked out the origins of these instruments, I've never tried any of them anyway so I have no frame of reference 😂😂 anyway Randy I just wanted to drop by your channel to say I hope your well as I'm not on UA-cam a lot these days and I don't get a chance to visit a lot of my friend's channels so take care and God bless you 🎸👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I’m thrilled you’re back gigging again, Trevor. I hope you post more of the live shows, as I really enjoy them. I’m afraid this video is another example of a company trying to squeeze the copper from a penny. Fortunately, I managed to get one before the move. Always appreciate hearing from you, brother man 👍🏻
Randy, thanks for the info....i have some anecdotal information regarding China made Epiphones, just as an fyi.......within the past year I have bought 2 epiphone electric guitars from Sweetwater; one was the Jerry Cantrell "wino" guitar, the other was a Les Paul Custom in Koa finish; I was blown away by the value of these guitars. They play great, feel great, sound great, and believe me when I tell you i went over every inch of these guitars, looking for the smallest flaw, and could not find one. They are literally flawless as far as I can see, both made in China. So hopefully the acoustics follow that same trend.
@@ronyeahright9536 Hi Ron, yes sir, I’m pretty impressed with their electric skills, no doubt. I’m with you, hopefully the acoustic lineup gets there. Appreciate the info, brother man 👍🏻
Thank you for this video. Very informative!
You are very welcome, Ms Erin 👍🏻
Wow so glad I saw this!
Me too 😂
Cost and cheap labor. Thanks for the heads up.
You are most assuredly correct and thank you, brother man 👍🏻
The generally positive feedback on the MIC guitars is encouraging!
I agree Max, but I’m beginning to hear of finishing issues. I hope they get it straightened out. Appreciate the comment, brother man 👍🏻
@@randysrhythm good to know! I am obsessed with the look of the IBG j-45 so am curious to hear more reviews come in!
Good info Sir.
Hi David, appreciate you brother man 👍🏻
@@randysrhythm
Like we talked about, there are issues with some Chinese made guitars and then there are some very good Chinese made ones. The issue is that Epiphone is doing this under the radar. That's dirty pool, in my humble opinion.
Looked at an Epiphone Hummingbird which I'm hankering for at marked down price in local shop today. Will go back and see if it's a 23 or what. Thank you for very informative video, liked, subscribed.
Hi Jane, fingers crossed. I hope it works out for you. These are killer instruments. I really appreciate the time you have taken to comment, and also subscribing. Welcome to the jungle 👍🏻
@randysrhythm Hi, thanks for your reply earlier. I called Guitar Center and asked a few questions. Tech said it was made in Indonesia, mahogany back and sides, rosewood fingerboard and bridge. It's been in the store 11 years (I asked)! So, it's vintage, not IBG, haha!! What do you think?
😂 I think 11 years of nobody wanting it answered that question. It’s probably a Hummingbird Pro, laminated back and sides with neck issues. Guitar Center cracks me up sometimes, with their lack of knowledge and willingness to misguide someone. Welcome to the modern nutworld where the first word on my phone to pop up, when I stated typing in “misguide” was misgender 😥.
This is what I found in a google search. 100% of ALL Epiphones were no longer being made in the USA way back in 1970. in 1970, Epiphone production in the USA shut down and was moved to Matsumoto, Japan. For the first few years of production, Epiphone guitars made in Japan were actually rebranded designs already produced by the Matsumoku Company, but models gradually improved. In 2004, Gibson opened a factory in Qingdao, China, which manufactures Epiphone guitars. With few exceptions, Epiphones are now built only in the Qingdao factory. Also in 2004, Epiphone introduced a series of acoustic guitars named Masterbilt, after a line of guitars of the 1930s, which are built in the same chines factory.
Hi Rick, great research and appreciate you sharing it. The Masterbilt line seems to remain in Indonesia at the moment, which would include the Excellente. I have confirmed that all of the IBG acoustics are now made in the China factory. Thanks again, brother man 👍🏻
Thanks for sharing brother
You are most welcome 👍🏻
Hi Randy (and everyone else on this thread), I just received an email from Sweetwater within the last couple of days letting me know that the IBG Hummingbirds were back in stock. I had put my name on an email list to be contacted when they were back in stock. It looks like that they have re-stocked with the Indonesian made guitars once again. They all have the #23 factory code in the serial numbers and also the label on the back of the headstock says "made in Indonesia". Maybe everyone is already aware of this but just thought I'd chime in and share. I went ahead and ordered one and looking forward to receiving it. Thanks for your very informative videos!
That’s great to hear, Kevin! I’ll never give up my IBG Hummingbird. Whoever built mine was determined to make his peers look bad that day 😂. Great information, brother man 👍🏻
I also ordered one. Hoping it will make a good companion to my old Harmony H-1203 and my 1993 Gibson J-30. Mine is also Made in Indonesia. Maybe it just depends on factory availability?
Hi Peter, rumor has it that the Indonesian plant is closing and everything is moving to China. I can’t seem to get that confirmed, but it wouldn’t surprise me. Regardless, sounds like you snagged one from Indonesia. If my sources are correct, you won’t find an Indonesian made IBG after 2023. The first 2 digits of the serial number is the year, so please let me know if you find time to do so, brother man 👍🏻
@@randysrhythm I will let you know what I think of it a few days after it arrives. Serial number on mine indicates it was built in January 2024.
Great, I look forward to hearing about it 👍🏻
The Indonesia factory was a contracted factory not a Gibson owed Factory. They had problems with the Indonesia factory with guitars passed that shouldn't have been. I had to return 2 Indonesia guitars [Bridge not straight and bad tuner]. The China factory is Gibson owned and so far personally I've had 100% with them. I always prefer to deal with the factory name on the guitar not a 3rd party factory. And when I did get my first Chinese Epiphone I was shocked and made a heap of phone calls.
Hi Michael, you are one of a handful that I’ve heard from so far on the 15 factory. Shy one, everyone seems to really love them. As I’ve mentioned to you before, I was unaware that 23 was a contracted factory, so appreciate that information. As far as acoustics are concerned, I’ll be very interested to get more feedback on them. Appreciate all of the insights and hopefully others will benefit from hearing your experience, brother man. Great to have you you on the channel 👍🏻
I bought a new Epi Les Paul custom made in China. Fret work was absolute trash! In comparison my Sire L7, made in Indonesia, rivals my many Gibson LP’s and cost less than my Epi custom. China is China, regardless who owns the factory. Unless it’s Eastman, their on a whole nother level.
I bought one a few years ago and out of my 3 acoustics it was the least expensive but it's my best. It's a really nice guitar. Thanks for the video.
Hi Tom, I feel the same way. There’s just something special about this Hummingbird. You’re welcome for the video and I really appreciate you sharing your experience, brother man 👍🏻
I perched mine ibg humming bird about a month ago from long and mcquade. Thankfully my guitar was built in October of 2021
I’m relieved to hear that. I think this is going to turn out to be a problem for this lineup, long term. Regardless, I’m glad you have the original one, brother man 👍🏻
Morning Randy. Good video. I'm not surprised that Gibson moved production. It doesn't scare me as such, but good advice on playing and inspecting before buy. At the end of the day if it's a good guitar then it's a good guitar. I ordered my Frontier, but the shop that ordered it for me ordered two so I could inspect, play, and have a choice of which I thought was best for me leaving the other for the showroom. These were both Indonesian made but so glad that two were ordered and I had a choice.
I just received an Eastman (original Chinese company, and amazing instrument builders). The shop ordered two, I was able to pick the one I thought was best for me and other was for the showroom. So nice when you have a choice.
I recommend playing and inspecting any guitar before purchasing. I have left American made instruments in showrooms because there was something off or not executed well enough for me (yes, I'm picky, and I usually find things that others don't 🤓). Like you said....do your homework!
Thanks Steve and great advice for everyone. I’ll be interested to hear your review of the Eastman. Thanks for stopping in and your great insights, as always 👍🏻
interesting. i bought an ibg es 335 2 weeks ago and i am very impressed with it. there is not one issue i can see or hear, overall a great guitar. factory code 15, so china as well. now i am looking for a hummningbird and at least here in germany they are mostly sold out at the moment. i guess when they are available again they might also be the china made versions. seeing that i am impressed with the china made es 335 i am looking forward to experience the hummingbirds when they are in stock again. thx for the info, have a nice day
You are most welcome. I am beginning to hear some good things about the Chinese factory with these guitars, so hopefully that continues. Appreciate the input as well 👍🏻
Same here, ES335. All it needs is a little cleanup of the fret ends and it’s good to go. I did get one with funky controls-on the middle position the bridge was silent until I rolled volume up to 10, but the replacement is aces.
I wanted to provide an update:
I received my first ibg hummingbird last week and it was made in china, code 15. It unfortunately had 4 minor flaws in the finish but sounded great. Since i cannot tolerate flaws in a newly bought item, i send it back.
Then, i couldnt trust my eyes, found a retailer that sold the ibg hummingbird stating it was made in indonesia. So i ordered and it just arrived. Unfortunately also flaws in the finish and overall a little sloppy built it seems to me.
But heres what i found more important:
The finish itself is not the same as the chnese made. It seems thicker. Also the indonesian version is quite a bit heavier!
And i am pretty sure, although it might be an illusion and is propably very subjective:
The indonesian made does sound different: it has more power, is rounder and warmer, really sweet sounding to my ears.
So i come to think that there is a difference in the different factories: indonesia vs china. And i prefer the sound of the indonesian one by far.
But regarding built quality both seem to be hit and miss. It does sound so lovely though, that i am thinking about disregarding the minor flaws in finish.
But i dont think they are built exactly to the same specs is my point. Though i cannot prove that statement.
Hi Armin, that’s the kind of detail I was hoping to get from someone. I know that my Indonesian Hummingbird sounds as sweet as honey. While a bit heavy, as you alluded to, the sound is a dream come true. The finish on mine was perfect, though a bit thick, which I expected. To your point, it is quite powerful, yet very sweet sounding.
Great feedback! I’ll likely post your comment, if you don’t mind, on my next update for the Hummingbird. Appreciate such a detailed comment, brother man 👍🏻
I picked up a new HB made in Indonesia. It didn’t have the paper work or box it came with and they offered to order me a new “factory fresh” one. Having heard the rumors that they moved production to China, I kindly declined the offer. Glad I did. Mine plays sweet right out of the box and I haggled a discount on it! All the ones listed on SW now are all made in China.
I’m really glad to hear about your experience. My personal experience with both guitars (I finally played one of the Chinese made) is that I’m so happy that I picked up my Indonesian IBG Hummingbird. I had exactly the same experience as you. It’s one of the sweetest sounding guitars that I’ve heard. Appreciate you letting me know about your experience, brother man 👍🏻
I was looking at the Epiphone Excellente after seeing your amazing review so I wonder if that is now being produced in China as well? That would be a shame. Thank you for this update. I'm going to be very careful moving forward.
Hi Andy, I don’t believe this affects the Masterbilt Excellente. It appears it’s just impacting the IBG’s.
I honestly had never heard of the Excellelente. I have owned many Epiphone guitars over the years and I bought a J-200 that I absolutely love so I was blown away by your review. I have been watching many reviews for this guitar and there is a constant theme throughout the reviews. Everyone loves this guitar. Here in Canada it is closer to $2,000.00 which is a lot of money for anyone. Thanks again for a great,honest review. Very cool.
@@andy65guitar you are most welcome, brother man 👍🏻
Well this guitar was next on my list to buy. I guess I’ll have to be careful. Maybe buy used. Thanks as always for what you do Randy! It’s always appreciated.
Brother man Cody! Great to hear from you. Yes sir, used might be less of a dice roll. You are most welcome, my friend 👍🏻
@@randysrhythm I found one last night on sweetwater that was a demo with a few scratches on it that was the right serial number and I bought it. I looked around quite a bit last night and the Indonesian serial numbers are hard to find now. People have snatched them up!
@@BumpWhiteMusicLet me know how you like it, brother man 👍🏻
@@randysrhythm love it so far! It’s a beautiful guitar and sounds great! Thanks for the recommendation! I owe you for a couple of my guitars now! Don’t worry, I won’t tell my wife that you’re responsible!
@@BumpWhiteMusic That, I appreciate 😂
I have been longingly eyeballing IBG Hummingbird for a few years. I finally bought one two days ago. I am none too happy to hear this.
Hi Jonas, don’t count yourself out on the purchase just yet. Hopefully you will have code 23. There are still some out there with that code that are new and may not have sold yet. Let me know what you ended up with, please.
Thanks for the Info
You are most welcome, Donald 👍🏻
Both of mine ended up being 23. Hummingbird and j200. I see all of them have some models with the 15 code. Definitely be nice to see and hear the 2 side by side.
Hi Chad, several people have begged that same question. I’m curious myself. Appreciate the comment, brother man 👍🏻
I just purchased one of these and sure enough, it’s from China. I’m an intermediate player, at best. So far, I love it, but admittedly I’m not a good judge of tone or quality. Compared to the 25 year old Fender DG-7 I’m used to, the quality is outstanding. I love it, but again, I’m not a good enough guitarist to really know if I’m missing anything. Feeling a little skeptical about my purchase now though 😂
Hi Pat, keep in mind that I did mention playing them first. It’s not that China can’t make a nice guitar, but I’d have to play it first. If you love yours, that’s all that matters. I’m not trashing Chinese made guitars, but in my experience, they need a closer look. Sounds like you did get a good one and I am very pleased to hear that, brother man 👍🏻
The best Epiphone guitars are made in U.S.A they do have a little bigger price tag but they are very nice. Randy you a good honest man,
There’s no arguing that point 😁. Very much appreciated, brother man and great point 👍🏻
My Indonesian had a twisted neck. I bought it used online so no warranty. I got rid of it after only having it a few days. Ended up buying a Gibson while GC had 0% financing and have zero regrets.
Sounds like you got snake bit, Snakebite. I hate that you got burned by someone on that. The Gibson is the original of course and certainly a great instrument. Appreciate you sharing your experience, brother man 👍🏻
@@randysrhythm I did. I can't say whether or not the seller knew it but it was a dud. This thing was mint, still had all the tags and case candy from the factory. I think it was just a lemon that slipped by QC. It sounded great though other than a horrible buzz that a fret level couldn't even cure
Whenever possible try and check the guitar. I think that's more important than origin of manufacturing. I ordered a Epiphone Excellente (made in Indonesia) and construction and attention to detail is not great. Ebony bridge edges are roughly and unevenly bevelled (bottom part looks like the builder just gave up), guitar arrived with pickguard unstuck, just loose inside the carboard box. Sides have a very subtle (but noticeable if you look with light hitting on it) "depression" along, not perfectly flat. The finish in the joint area between neck and body "bleeds" a bit, being more noticeable because of the dark wood of the body and light wood of the neck. Despite this it does sound great and the neck is beautiful. A while back I also ordered a Yamaha FGX5 and it came with a finish issue on the sides, sort of like a "chalk" white coloration embedded in the dark finish, not fixable. It also came with a big component inside the soundhole unglued just dangling. Recently I tried another FGX5 at a store and it was pristine, flawless construction. Whenever possible try before you buy or order with possibility to return.
Great advice to everyone, Marcos. I really appreciate you sharing your thoughts. Thanks for engaging, brother man 👍🏻
What's funny is, in my own review of the Epi IBG Hummingbird, I made a comment that I felt it was so good that it outcompeted Gibson's own "budget" line of American acoustics (like the G-Bird, etc) and Gibson would realize that and either discontinue or cheapen these instruments to compensate, and then I keep getting comments that this happened, it's wild to see.
Hey Brian, yes sir, it finally happened. I would agree as well about the G Bird. This IBG lineup is simply killer, brother man 👍🏻
Thank you so much for this information, I feel the same as you.
You’re welcome, Ken. Appreciate you chiming in, brother man 👍🏻
What a bummer. I see the J-200 still seems made in Indonesia (you can see in both the serial number and the sticker with the country of origin). The Hummingbird is made in China. I recently bought a PRS McCarty SE made in Indonesia at Cor-tek and it's a great instrument.
Hi Patzer, I have heard that the Gibson contract is running out in Indonesia, so eventually everything will move to China. I’d like to try one of the PRS acoustics, so it’s encouraging that you have a positive experience there. Appreciate you taking the time to comment on this, brother man 👍🏻
I have all the ibg epihone acoustics. Hummingbird, j200, and j45 slash version. They are very fine guitars. Also have all three masterbuild epiphones, excellente, teaxan, and the frontier. All made in Indonesia.
I love those guitars. I own gibson acoustics as well but i wont get into that...sure they are superior...
But i still love the epiphones.
And i also ordered recently the new j45 inspired by gibson custom shop made in china with aged top and a nut width equal to the gibson j45. Came with a beautiful case and the playability is superp, and sound is terrific in its own right, and the electronics are lg bags...got it used for a steal.
Tomorrow im getting delivered the new epiphone sj200 custom shop. Im sure it will be a winner. They are all different in sound and playability but thats what i love about them, they inspire me in different ways.
I'm in guitar, heaven, man!!😊
@@johnnygalileosab9272 Hi Johnny, I’m pleased to be getting more of these positive opinions on the China factory. I think they must be getting better. Appreciate your insights and I really appreciate you taking the time to post a comment. Some really great guitars, brother man 👍🏻
@randysrhythm Yes Randy. The IBG custom shop J45 I recently purchased is a banner J45 from 1942 made in China. The custom shop copied the model from 1942...as I mentioned before it has the nut width slightly wider than the regular IBG Indonesian guitars-exact width as a current Gibson J45.
But you know a Gibson from 1942 will be a little different than a modern but all the same outstanding. On a different note: I heard you say that the IBG Indonesian Humming bird was the best sounding guitar you had. I started to study your statement and reevaluated my IBG hummingbird, and lo and behold I could also hear the sublime exceptional tone on that guitar...it is a guitar tone for the ages...and to think I had been neglecting that guitar.
All the same thanks again for your many guitar inspirations.
@johnnygalileosab9272 You are very welcome, brother man 👍🏻
That’s exactly why I got 4 , these inspired by Gibson guitars - electric and acoustic, are following the squier classic vibe guitar models , the first generation ones were incredible. Then they slowly got worse over time when they moved them from factory to factory .
Great move! Factory changes always concern me 👍🏻
Thanks for the heads up
You are most welcome, Ronnie 👍🏻
Thanks for this. All of the models at Sweetwater as of now are factory code 23, so maybe they moved production back to Indonesia.
Hi J, I actually played the Chinese version of this guitar tonight and will upload a short on it in a few days. Glad you found a 23. I don’t think they’ve moved back, so that’s interesting that Sweetwater shows that they have it. Great hearing from you and appreciate that intel, brother man 👍🏻
......as of today, aug 8 2024, every hummingbird for sale at sweetwater is made in china.
Thanks for sharing this great info brother
You betcha, Eric. Always a pleasure to see you, brother man 👍🏻
All the new ones they got yesterday on SW are made in China... Both Natural and Cherry.
I knew eventually there would be no more new options out of Indonesia. Folks might still find a used one on Reverb. Appreciate the update, brother man 👍🏻
Ah right... time to pick one up before! Maybe the used price market will rise in value... however, they're still many around :)
Hi Choey, I think you’re right, the Indonesian IBG guitars should be the more sought after. Great insight, brother man 👍🏻
Thank you for that information. Does that apply to Epiphone masterbilt excellente? Mine is still in the air waiting for it to get shipped. I ordered it last month and so far no news.
You’re welcome. I don’t think it will apply to the Excellente. It has been a Masterbilt from the beginning. I think this just affects the IBG lineup 👍🏻
OK do you like the way it feels, do you like the way it sounds, I like the way it looks, then who cares where it’s built at as long as you’re happy with the quality you’re paying for, are you happy with the price that’s all that matters
Hi John, you summed it up nicely with the quality comment. I find a lot of folks may not know what to look for in that arena. All great points, so let’s hope the China factory takes up the same banner 👍🏻
Thank you but I love my American built guitars and my Taylor’s Rickenbacker bass etc but I have a knock off D27 from Japan 1974 and it’s has stood the test of time. It’s a Diastone and Martin put the company out of biz when they caught the factory putting their brand on the very custom Martins they built under contract back in the day. Merry Christmas God bless you
@@gospeljohn413 Great info and I get it, brother man 👍🏻. Merry Christmas to you and yours too 👍🏻
Yep, too many people buy with their eyes or for political reasons. I love the fact that my hummingbird came from a Gibson factory and not some contracted out one.
Must be the reason that they are starting to get bad reviews on the IBG`s.
Thanks Randy and Paul !
Hi Colonel, that may explain it.
In other words. Order an IBG now before the chinese ones come in with changed specs and wood. Thank you very much.
You pretty much summed it up. You are welcome, brother man 👍🏻
Very good to know. Thank you for sharing. Based on great reviews online, I tried an Indonesian made sample at the GC and it sounded good as I was trading in my first guitar, FGX800C, but not particularly loud. It sounded better than the FG830 I tried as well as a $1000 Martin. They suggested I order a new one in box so I did. The main thing I didn’t like was, it was very heavy. Researching indicates it’s at least a pound or more heavier than other dreadnoughts. The fact it seemed quiet and heavy, seems to me that lighter woods would resonate more than heavy ones.
I cancelled the order. This was before I saw this video so I’m glad I did. I came home and played my FGX3 and it was so much lighter, resonated more, and sounded great. Will look for something else to complement my FGX3, maybe a LL16D.
Hi Jae, yes sir, the IBG is certainly heavier than its Gibson counterpart. I really landed a great one, but every guitar is a bit different. You’re welcome for the information.
Yamaha has been putting out some fantastic guitars as of late. In fact, I’ll be reviewing the FS5 this week on the channel that I purchased a few weeks ago. Hope to see more of you on the channel, brother man 👍🏻
Looking forward to your review of the FS5 ! I thought about an FG5 but seemed very similar to the FG3 if you upgrade the saddle and nut so I went with that. Sweetwater said they take more care to build an FGX3 as they need to fit the electronics so they consider it a higher level. Not sure if that’s true but there was a special so I went with it. If they come out with an FG7 I may go for it, not sure I’m ready for an FG9 yet. Trying to earn my way to better guitars as I gain some skill, as I’m too much of a beginner but I do have audiophile taste so now I’m a gear head 😆.
Over 10 years ago I tried learning guitar with my daughter but gave up as I was just too busy and it was too hard. Now I’m retired so trying again. Before I went straight to high end and got a HD-35 which sounded great but I gave it away to my musician buddy and he loves it of course. My daughter has my Gibson ES359 Ebony, she said she will give back to me soon so I’ll have something else to practice with. It’s a fun path, a new passion I found.
You seem to be in the beginning stages of what’s known as GAS, a medical condition acronym diagnosed some years ago and stands for Guitar Acquisition Syndrome 😂. This channel is one of a few therapy groups out there, brother man 👍🏻
@@randysrhythm I've had GAS, gear acquisition syndrome in many other areas of my hobbies. I need to work on SAS, Skill Acquistion Syndrome, lol.
As luck would have it, GC gave me some nonsense when cancelling, in the end it got delivered today. I can return it after receiving it. To my surprise, it turns out to be made in Indonesia, very well made all around. I have to say, it's beautiful, no major defects anywhere but there is some thin glue overflow along the frets that got the plastic a little dirty. My rough bathroom scale measures it at 5.6lbs vs 4.8lbs for the FGX3. Less than a pound heavier, not too bad and......the sound is amazing, different from FGX3 and seems louder than the sample I tried at GC. I think GC has a large inventory of these so they may have many Indonesian made ones still left in their main warehouse where mine was sent from.
We'll see where I go with this. Hard to give up this Indonesian sample.....giving GAS a kick start. Action was set high and the strings are uncoated "Gibson" strings so changing them to 80/20 Elixir Nanos that come with the Yamaha could make it that much better.
SAS, I’ll use that if you don’t mind 😂. If your IBG is surely Indonesian, hang on to it like grim death, if you can get the action right.
I think the FS5 I bought will be my last Yamaha. It’s okay, but just doesn’t strike me. I’m also told that while the spec said it has a rosewood pickguard, that may not be true. Another commenter said that they are not completely built in Japan, but are finalized in Japan. I have no idea what to believe, but that much counter information is enough to leave room for doubt. I detest dishonest specs.
Always appreciate you, brother man 👍🏻
I had bought both guitars Hummingbird and Excelente made in Indonesia both of them are defective- Hummingbird with fredboard cracks and with a gap between neck binding and fretboard. On Excellente - bridge doesn’t installed straight and doesn’t aligned with the body’s string holes. To be honest I like both guitars and they sound very good but have to return them due these defects. Haven’t tried Chinese yet.
Hi Boris, I really hate to hear that. My Excellente and HB were perfect. If you do get the new ones from china, please keep in the loop. I’m trying to get a good feel from the folks out there on the quality. Appreciate you letting me know, brother man 👍🏻
Hi, Randy. Do you happen to know if this here information applies to the Masterbilt Texans as well? Best and thank you and merry X-mas from David.
Hi David, while a blue sticker is on the Masterbilts, the decoding of the serial numbers are the same. At this time I do not foresee them moving to China, but please double-check the serial number on all Epiphone guitars due to the eventual possibility of a move. Merry Christmas to you and yours as well, David and thank you for the question, brother man 👍🏻
This a business move by Gibson ! Looks like they are falling back to their old ways. Wonder how many people you made stick their nose in the sound hole looking for 23. LOL / I have had two hummingbirds ibg. Gave them to grandsons. Looking for a good used one now for myself. Had one located but it was China made / glad I watched video today. Thanks !Jeff Clark from Rockdale Texas
Epiphone/ Gibson who ever needs to send you a China made hummingbird ibg to compare with yours. Now that video would go viral
Hi Jeff, Sandow country! In 2005/2006 I had business down there at the switchyard. Beautiful country.
Glad you caught the video beforehand, brother man 👍🏻
@@jefferyclark351 Agreed!
Thank you i was just getting ready to order one . Furch guitar is were lm going.
I completely understand, Frank. You are most welcome, brother man 👍🏻. Furch is an incredible guitar, so I’m sure you’ll love it.
Great info...thanks...
You’re welcome, brother man 👍🏻
This guitar was in my purchase list for next spring. I have a problem now, I do not want to have any Chinese guitars. Many thanks for informing this very essential change.
You’re welcome and I’d suggest taking that cash and try to pick up an Excellente, maybe? They are great guitars 👍🏻
The new ones made in China are Hand Crafted and then sent back to the US to be 100% set up and inspected in the US. Hopefully these are good guitars as well. That is the case with the Miranda Lambert Bluebird, which is simply a Hummingbird painted blue with a different pick guard.
Hi Rodney, I’m with you, hopefully they are quality instruments. The feedback I’ve received thus far leans more on the side of problematic at this point. The China factory has historically only built electrics, and from what I’ve seen are very quality instruments. Acoustics seem to be a new journey for that factory. I looked at the Miranda Hummingbird and there’s one major difference between hers and the Inspired by Gibson models, which is the Miranda Lambert Hummingbird back and sides are layered mahogany, as opposed to the IBG’s all solid woods. It is a nice looking guitar and I’m sure sounds great. Appreciate you taking the time to comment, brother man 👍🏻
@@randysrhythm Thank you for the info. I appreciate you.
Just checking mine and it says 23. I feel better now.
Glad to hear it James 👍🏻
I have a big hummingbird made in China my guitar plays perfect no issues my friend played in many bands builds guitars said it was beautiful it's only your opinion so you can't say that it's only your opinion I have several Gibson there are Gibson's with issues check with Sweetwater techs I have no issues in China factory it is the same instrument and same quality control
Hi John, I have now had the opportunity to play both. They are not even close to the same build. The Chinese version is much lighter and the bracing is different. This is not an opinion, it is a fact. The Chinese version sounded pretty good, but it’s not nearly as rich and deep in tone. That said, I liked the sound. Several people have stopped by to let me know they liked it, which I was glad to hear. The QC isn’t what it was in Indonesia either. The one I played had neck issues. The Chinese plant is primarily an electric guitar plant, and there’s a huge difference between building an electric vs acoustic. I hope they get better, but time will tell. Appreciate you stopping in and sharing your experience 👍🏻
Thanks or the info, just to bring some balance Squire Classic Vibes were first produced in China, they are now the sought after CV's they moved to Indonesia and quality went down as I remember many people suggesting, My view is all the far east factories are now producing quality it's just they need time to bed in at first
Hey Ny, there are certainly some factories over there that do great work. Fingers crossed that they are held to the same standards. Appreciate you sharing your insights here, brother man 👍🏻
To be honest, wages and operations are likely more expensive in that part of China than in Indonesia, so it seems a strange decision if its being done in order to cut manufacturing costs. Might be in order to access the Chinese guitar consumer market without shipping costs and import taxes ? Also, in theory for factory-made guitars rather than luthier-made guitars it shouldn't really matter where its made, Indonesia, China, Mexico, as long as materials are the same, and training and quality control is good. Yamaha seem to manage it at their factory. But of course time will tell as these new Chinese ones hit the market and get compared. I'm still glad I got my Indonesian Masterbilt J45 while I did, just in case...
Could be, Graeme. Time will surely tell, brother man 👍🏻
Thank you !
You are most welcome 👍🏻
It will be the dedicated Epiphone factory in China, so there hopefully won’t be much difference from the Indonesian ones. My Alvarez Masterworks was made in China and it’s an excellent all solid guitar.
Hi Graeme, I hope you’re right. I know the Masterworks have a great following and the ones I have heard sounded great. Fingers crossed, brother man 👍🏻
Hi Randy, how would you compare the sound of Epiphones to Gibsons?
Hey Tonto, glad to have another Irishman on the channel. They are sonically almost identical. In fact, so close it would freak you out. It’s just that the Gibson has a better finish and scratchplate. Appreciate the question, brother man 👍🏻
No need to panic ! There have been so great guitars come out of China. Don’t condemn something before you have tried it. Let’s see some reviews . We may be surprised 😎
Hi Will, you’re right and I said that in the video. My main point was that it is not the guitar that I reviewed. As good as they may turn out to be, moving the factory is a game changer. I hope they do turn out to be great guitars. It’s simply no longer apples to apples. I do plan to try and find one and play it. Appreciate the input, brother man 👍🏻
Today many of the Great detailed guitars outside the typical known brands comes from China
@danielalonso9460 I’ve certainly heard that from a few other folks. Appreciate the insight, Daniel 👍🏻
This is incredibly interesting! I have my eyes on the Epiphone IBG J45 and I can't get over the Sweetwater Exclusive Viper Blue. It seems they will be made solely in China since they are so new. Any advice as to how I should go about this?
Thanks, Anthony. I’d say, cautiously 😂, as far as securing one goes. I’m very concerned with this factory change and in my opinion it is concerning. I know you’re looking at the viper blue, but you may want to consider natural or burst with a factory code of 23. They can still be found out there. The jury is still out for me on the new ones. I’m hearing now that there’s no side bracing on them. Appreciate the kindness and the comment, brother man 👍🏻
@@randysrhythm I guess I could always get one and see how I feel about it and if it’s no good, return it!
Also wondering if it would be more worth while to save for a Gibson J45🤔
A friend bought a hummingbird made in china recently and it is amazing! I think you would be surprised how good they are these days 🎶
@margiez6002 Hi Margie, in my last upload in the Shorts tab, I actually and finally found one to play. I thought it sounded really good. It was also much lighter than my Indonesian one. The only complaint I had was the QC. The action was at least a 1/4” high in the center neck and I couldn’t get it tuned properly. I was unable to determine if it was a neck issue, or something more simple. Either way, I was surprised at how much I liked it. Maybe they’ll take luthier lessons from Eastman at some point. Appreciate you sharing, ma’am 👍🏻
@@randysrhythm I have aSlash J45 and it is heavy too 👍