'' I dont think the other horse (Dayjur) was going to go by '' What fucking race was this clown watching? Dayjur had the race won, He was going away from the filly and put in an Istabraq leap. How unlucky was Dayjur there, Sickening. The best sprinter I've ever seen from Europe
The american trainers, werent very sportsmanlike . Remember leroy jolley crowing over manilla, and saying dancing brave never beat anything of merit previously......
@@kRomani-gh4ws What about woody Stevens ordering ,Pat Day on forty niner to carry Winning Colors way out into the middle of the track, do everything bhe could to prevent her from winning the Preakness, just because he didn't believe a filly should run against the boys, She was never the same after that, ran one more good race( Breeders Cup distaff.)
Retired jockey Craig Perret (born February 2, 1951) last April was voted to be inducted to The National Museum of Racing and Hall of Fame. Perret, 68, was North America's leading apprentice jockey by earnings in 1967 (prior to the Eclipse Awards) and won the 1990 Eclipse Award for Outstanding Jockey and in 1998 he received the George Woolf Memorial Jockey Award. A native of New Orleans, Perret won 4,415 races in a career that spanned from 1967 to 2005. He won the Belmont Stakes in 1987 with Bet Twice, denying Alysheba the Triple Crown. Three years later, Perret won the Kentucky Derby with Unbridled. He won four Breeders' Cup races, including two editions of the Sprint (G1), as well as two runnings of both the Travers Stakes (G1) and Queen's Plate, among others. In 1994, Craig Perret was inducted into the Fair Grounds Racing Hall of Fame and in 2006 into the Louisiana Sports Hall of Fame. Hall of Fame induction ceremony will take place at 10:30 a.m., next August 2 at the Fasig-Tipton sales pavilion. The event is open to the public and free to attend. Legendary racecaller Tom Durkin will serve as master of ceremonies. Congratulations Mister Perret! Best Regards from Venezuela.
Dayjur was a front runner that was used to taking the lead straight away and he'd had never raced on dirt; had to be hard ridden, from a bad draw to get near the front. Willie Carson is barely getting at him and he passes the filly. The fact is, if he'd not jumped the shadows, he'd have won.
I also don't recall Dayjur having to have the starting post next to him vacant because a naughty horse was drawn next to him & his record had to be protected ;-)
Ïf the race had been twenty minutes earlier, or a half-hour later, that shadow wouldn't have been there. It was a one-in-a-million chance. It was a gift. Like looking down on the ground and finding a lotto ticket. But she (Safely Kept) earned it" Craig Perret, Safely Kept's jockey
Mr. Nickerson was a horse from Parx (then Philadelphia Park) who was quite prolific and profitable. His trainer, Mark J. Reid, was one of the best in the nation at the time.
It was the track, back then they just got rid of their poly track and they decided that they were not going to moist the track. So that whole week the track was hard and dry. Very bad mistake with many sad loses. I'm happy they now made laws for moisturizing tracks in the US
she would have started at 33 & been lucky to finish mid-field. Soul, who finished within 1.5L of BC in the DJ wasn't within 12L of her in Australia. i think your name is pretty fitting. I think I could fit your racing knowledge onto a postcard, writing in a thick marker pen.
Sure won every turf race last year except for the sprint, I should've had the last 2 but I was reaching for a long shot by then. I liked the O'Brien horse in the F &M turf, and the other Appleby in the Turf Classic. My pick Master Piece still hasn't won a race..
You're right, my mistake. Dayjur ran a blistering 1:12.5 (slow by 2 secs) on Good going to beat Royal Academy, who would have been 25's in the Lightning Stakes this year. I retract my statement... clearly Dayjur would have lapped Black Caviar.
So let me ask you some basic questions & see if you can answer them. Which horse had a better record? Which horse had a greater distance range? Which horse ran consistently faster times (not a great measure I know)? Which horse raced against the better opposition? These should be easy enough answers... but for someone who "is sure Mandurah is a wonderful horse," I'm not holding my breath.
on the other hand WAS spelled after Futurity in March, so was a significantly fresher conveyance by the time he ran in the King Stand. Her Ascot run was a tourist stop, not serious racing. To judge her on that performance is ridiculous... as opposed to a race like the 2011 Newmarket, carrying 58Kg's & breaking a track record.. eased up the last 50m. Or the 2012 Lightning where she ran a 9.98 furlong to equal a 25 year old track record.. or the 2013 version where she broke that same track...
Hay List is more highley rated than any of the myriad of Australian sprinters who went to England and won Royal Ascot sprinters. He's rated more highly than Miss Andretti, Takeover Target, Starspangledbanner, Choisir & Scenic Blast. Dayjur's distance was obviously 5F... on even terms I think he'd have been too fast for Hay List. Over 6F the difference would have been diminished, but I would still give it to Dayjur on most occasions. Black Caviar though... as fast as he was he'd never have...
7F form, & if she wasn't injured, you could easily (but incorrectly) conclude it was a stamina issue. Remember she had been up for practically 12 months before she went to Ascot. Her first run that preparation was October 2011. Horses are not machines.. some travel better than others. Had she been spelled after the Lightning in February & then gone to Ascot no doubt you'd have seen a different horse. But you never know how well they have really done until you get them under race pace. Choisir...
bgardiner2000 safely kept my favorite of all time won future at Vegas and the track perfect rodr her out he won it dayjur shadow jump and petter got the money
Yeah, maybe she will miss the start in the Diamond Jubilee & run second in the 3rd slowest time in history and then we can start comparing her to Dayjur. I think Dayjur and Hay List would have been a good contest. Black Caviar is something else though.
While it was a benchmark performance, the rating Frankel was given for the performance was adrenergic. Excellerbration is only just a miler. There would have had to have been 5L between himself and Side Glance to warrant such a rating... but there wasn't. It was a neck. Frankel's performance, as good as it was, was made to look better by a tiring Excellerbration who would normally have been 5L adrift of Frankel & 5L in front of Side Glance. On better going that would have been the case.
'' Ascot straight nearly killed her '' Was just layman's terms. I'd say her stamina was stretched at Ascot, And possibly the toughest track shes race on. I don't really buy in to the travelling theory, Yes some horses don't travel but she had more than enough time to climatise and get used to her new surroundings in England aswell as having the full week of prep whilst Ascot was on going...
Mandurah did that at Monmouth, breaking the world record for a mile (wuth a 65ft run-up). I suppose u'll tell me then that he is a better miler than Frankel based on that? No, he's not. Dayjur, whilst a rare talent, had a record of 11:7-3-0 against questionable sprinting competition. His TF rating (a peak rating) was established in his York win (spectacular no doubt), & on that form he would be right with Black Caviar over 5F. But her record speaks for itself. She is by far the better sprinter.
super-horse... but Black Caviar has eclipsed him by any measure you could care to make, aside from his ability to handle dirt (maybe). How does Dayjur get a 137 for the Nunthorpe but Miss Andretti only gets 129 for the King Stand? Or how Deep Impact didn't get 140+ for his win in the 2006 Tenno Sho? Frankel is rightfully rated perhaps the greatest of all time, despite never seriously challenging and race / national records. For the same reasons, Black Caviar is streets ahead of Dayjur.
run a sub-10s furlong the way she could. Dayjur would be a 1 horse race.. I'm pretty certain. Of course, this is speculative. But if you draw a form line through the best sprinters year in year out in Europe, & the degree by which the ANZ sprinters are better than they are, it stands to reason that a bench-mark European sprinter like Dayjur would be the best of a just above average year in ANZ... a bit like our middle distance horses when comparing them to the Europeans.
Streets ahead? Unlikely, I'd love to have seen the two meet over 5 furlongs. Lets not forget the Ascot straight nearly killed her when she came over to Europe - I personally don't think she was all that. A good horse but nothing more...
Laughable that some idiot thinks Black Caviar would have beaten Dayjur. I have never seen a faster English sprinter. He was unlucky in this on his debut experience on "dog track". Black Caviar struggled to win on turf in the UK where she met better quality horses. Frankel could have won the mile & beaten her the same day!
track record first up after 8 months off. Judging her on her Asoct run is tantamount to judging Frankel on his run in the SJP where things really didn't go his way. It's idiocy Owl. The quality of the opposition she beat in Australian sprinting is significantly better than the B grade European opposition. Star Witness, Ortensia, Soul and others point pretty clearly at this. Well, clear if you have a clue what you're looking at.
She'll be judged by British race fans who wouldn't know any better Owl on her run in England. That's the harsh reality. People without the wherewithall to look beyond her Ascot run, or who choose to ignore some pretty obivous form markers point at it & exclaim that it supports their otherwise lame arguments. I'm sure though, that you're not one of these. No doubt, the track conditions & the nature of the course itself were probably tougher than she had come across before. & had she not any ...
No, Mandurah is not a "wonderful horse." He's a CLAIMER. Do you even know what that means? He ran that time on a fast dirt track, with no undulations, with a 65ft run-up, with no weight, on probably on bute & lasix. That is my whole point. You are quick to assert that Dayjur's time is completely benchmark, despite the consistently fast times that Black Caviar has set over the course of her amazing career. One fast time does not a legend make... & I'm not saying that Dayjur was not a...
I remember Choisir winning both Gr1's at Ascot that week and the travelling didn't take it out on him. Yes Black Caviar maybe fragile and maybe we didn't see her at her best at Ascot but she'll be forever judged on that performance here in England and thats the harsh reality. Shes clearly top class but I think I've seen better and thats just my personal opinion...
An idiot looking at her royal Ascot performance, claiming that was anywhere near the best she goes would conclude that. I can just imagine our SurpremeOwl joining in the chorus of indignation at the claims made of BC's injuries immediately after the race. Now that the injuries have been confirmed "the Ascot straight nearly killed her." And you're calling me deluded? Perhaps you need a lesson in form reading. Let me know if I can contribute in any way.
Muppet, if you're going to go to the trouble of quoting, try getting it right. I said he couldn't go a step over 5F. And on the face of it that is true. He beat statues at any distance over 5F. The Breeders Cup sprint the biggest in the world? You're joking aren't you? The record of Australian sprinters in the UK would be evidence enough a half-wit to evidence the strength of Oz sprinters. Some of our 2nd & 3rd tier sprinters have dominated the big sprint races in the UK. Perhaps you can ...
Yeah, I hear Coolmore are going to cross some Shire stock into the mix. They'll be a sure thing. You really are a complete noob. Black Caviar equalled the track record in the Lightning Stakes this year... a record set by a great Australian sprinter named Special. The reason the record has stood for so long? Australian tracks are not allowed to get as fast as they did then. Dayjur's York win was outstanding. Maybe you should have a look at Miss andretti in the 2007 King Stand breaking the ...
like Takeover Target, Scenic Blast, Starspangledbanner & Miss Andretti (who would have been the equal of Dayjur over 5F on good going IMO). Hay List on reasonable going would beat any sprinter to have come out of Europe in the last 20 years. Black Caviar won 22 races straight, in an industry that consitently produces the best sprinters. Your idea of big horses carrying weight easier is absolute nonsense. I've never heard such drivel. As for Moonlight cloud... in this years lightning Stakes ...
So, you agree Frankel is a better miler, even though Mandurah ran 6.62 seconds faster at Monmouth? FYI Mandurah, the season he ran that record was a CLAIMER! Yet you go on to crap on about the relevance of times. Make your mind up... either they matter or they don't. Miss Andretti, who smashed the track record in the King Stand by 1.5 secs was only given a rating of 129 for that performance. Dayjur's run at York was no more impressive. You're comparing a 100m T&F to racing? What? Hilarious.
learn my suject? That's hilarious. Before you make a bigger fool of yourself go and have a look at the 2011 Newmarket Handicap where she set a weight carrying record & nearly broke the track record for 6F. Go & even find a race where dayjur won over 6F... you won't, because he couldn't go a step over 5. Or have a look at the 2012 Lightning Stakes... where she ran a furlong in 9.98s, beating a horse that has achieved a higher rating than a whole host of Australian world champion sprinters...
I didn't know about Dayjur. You have to be kidding don't you? You're really clutching at straws now. I used to sit down the beach as a child watch the great Australian triple crown winner Placid Ark work on the beach. I rode a multiple group 1 winning sprinter called Dark Beau in pre-pretraining. I will forget more about sprinting thoroughbreds whilst ogling my corn-flakes tomorrow morning than you will know in your entire pathetic life. What does Black Caviar not racing in the US hve to ...
track record by 1.5 seconds. So what? Maybe you tjhnik Mandurah is a better miler than Frankel?? No idiot. Times are irrelevant. Dayjur is the only sprinter from the northern hemisphere who could have held a candle to BC... there are though half a dozen or more from the other side of the world.
Are you deluded? Hay list would have beaten any sprinter to come out of Europe in the past 20 years? Hes just a punchbag for Black Caviar. Dayjur would have beaten him over 5 or 6 furlongs Im pretty certain...
'' I dont think the other horse (Dayjur) was going to go by '' What fucking race was this clown watching? Dayjur had the race won, He was going away from the filly and put in an Istabraq leap. How unlucky was Dayjur there, Sickening. The best sprinter I've ever seen from Europe
The american trainers, werent very sportsmanlike . Remember leroy jolley crowing over manilla, and saying dancing brave never beat anything of merit previously......
You didn't expect the owner to say different??
@@kRomani-gh4ws What about woody Stevens ordering ,Pat Day on forty niner to carry Winning Colors way out into the middle of the track, do everything bhe could to prevent her from winning the Preakness, just because he didn't believe a filly should run against the boys, She was never the same after that, ran one more good race( Breeders Cup distaff.)
Retired jockey Craig Perret (born February 2, 1951) last April was voted to be inducted to The National Museum of Racing and Hall of Fame. Perret, 68, was North America's leading apprentice jockey by earnings in 1967 (prior to the Eclipse Awards) and won the 1990 Eclipse Award for Outstanding Jockey and in 1998 he received the George Woolf Memorial Jockey Award. A native of New Orleans, Perret won 4,415 races in a career that spanned from 1967 to 2005. He won the Belmont Stakes in 1987 with Bet Twice, denying Alysheba the Triple Crown. Three years later, Perret won the Kentucky Derby with Unbridled. He won four Breeders' Cup races, including two editions of the Sprint (G1), as well as two runnings of both the Travers Stakes (G1) and Queen's Plate, among others. In 1994, Craig Perret was inducted into the Fair Grounds Racing Hall of Fame and in 2006 into the Louisiana Sports Hall of Fame. Hall of Fame induction ceremony will take place at 10:30 a.m., next August 2 at the Fasig-Tipton sales pavilion. The event is open to the public and free to attend. Legendary racecaller Tom Durkin will serve as master of ceremonies. Congratulations Mister Perret!
Best Regards from Venezuela.
NOT the 1st time Dayjur has jumped a shadow, I believe he had the race won.
What gets lost in all the controversy, is what a dual this was! From the 1/4 pole home, SK battled all the way! Can't believe I got 10/1!
Ten to one plus the shadows
@@kRomani-gh4ws"We'll walk in the shadows, roll with me".. --Queensryche
Probably one of if not the worst day in racing history.. I was there and it was just sickening with all the nice horses breaking down...
By far the WORST day in Breeders cup History by far !!!!!
no
The same shadow that Go For Wand's issue. IMO.
Foreshadowing
Dayjur was a front runner that was used to taking the lead straight away and he'd had never raced on dirt; had to be hard ridden, from a bad draw to get near the front. Willie Carson is barely getting at him and he passes the filly. The fact is, if he'd not jumped the shadows, he'd have won.
The irony of the race..2 horses killed in a race won by a horse named safely kept
What a bizarre race! As for the trainer of Simply Kept he couldnt admit the best horse lost,but everyone else knows.
The outside horse was passing her and would have won by 3,4 length
These two horses beat the next year's Classic winner, "Opening Verse," (started life in Britain) who was best over a mile.
the BC Sprint will be the sign of things to come
Belmont Park is the only racetrack in North America which faces North thereby creating this unique shadow.
@jannytwoexx as far as i remember.Mr Nicholson (chris antley)did not jump the shadow.the horse just suffered a heart-attack.
I also don't recall Dayjur having to have the starting post next to him vacant because a naughty horse was drawn next to him & his record had to be protected ;-)
Ïf the race had been twenty minutes earlier, or a half-hour later, that shadow wouldn't have been there. It was a one-in-a-million chance. It was a gift. Like looking down on the ground and finding a lotto ticket. But she (Safely Kept) earned it"
Craig Perret, Safely Kept's jockey
Lost by a head the year before, she wouldn't have been able to get up, if she hadn't of hung in there...
Mr. Nickerson was a horse from Parx (then Philadelphia Park) who was quite prolific and profitable. His trainer, Mark J. Reid, was one of the best in the nation at the time.
RIP Mr. Nickerson...
A few tragedies that day, it's really sad
Don't forget Shaker Knit and Mr Nickerson both died during this race!!!
Absolutely correct! Though Mr Gardener would disagree!
Safely Kept's trainer saying Dayjur wouldn't have gone past, when he was a head in front🤔
A very unobjective comment from Goldberg.
@ashleycolemobilefone Her trainer said he knew Dayjur wasn't going go by, LOL. He would of won, simple as.
It was the track, back then they just got rid of their poly track and they decided that they were not going to moist the track. So that whole week the track was hard and dry. Very bad mistake with many sad loses. I'm happy they now made laws for moisturizing tracks in the US
ravenwolf - BELMONT was never a polytrack, NEVER!!! Big Sandy has always been dirt.
Did he just try to jump the shadow because that's definitely what it looked like.
she would have started at 33 & been lucky to finish mid-field. Soul, who finished within 1.5L of BC in the DJ wasn't within 12L of her in Australia. i think your name is pretty fitting. I think I could fit your racing knowledge onto a postcard, writing in a thick marker pen.
Our horses often seemed jinxed in breeders cup back in the day. Not so much nowadays tho ....
Sure won every turf race last year except for the sprint, I should've had the last 2 but I was reaching for a long shot by then. I liked the O'Brien horse in the F &M turf, and the other Appleby in the Turf Classic. My pick Master Piece still hasn't won a race..
You're right, my mistake. Dayjur ran a blistering 1:12.5 (slow by 2 secs) on Good going to beat Royal Academy, who would have been 25's in the Lightning Stakes this year. I retract my statement... clearly Dayjur would have lapped Black Caviar.
Wow foiled by a shadow.
can you upload the 1990 and 1989 breeders cup distaff?
So let me ask you some basic questions & see if you can answer them. Which horse had a better record? Which horse had a greater distance range? Which horse ran consistently faster times (not a great measure I know)? Which horse raced against the better opposition? These should be easy enough answers... but for someone who "is sure Mandurah is a wonderful horse," I'm not holding my breath.
dayjur is my tb's sire :D
on the other hand WAS spelled after Futurity in March, so was a significantly fresher conveyance by the time he ran in the King Stand. Her Ascot run was a tourist stop, not serious racing. To judge her on that performance is ridiculous... as opposed to a race like the 2011 Newmarket, carrying 58Kg's & breaking a track record.. eased up the last 50m. Or the 2012 Lightning where she ran a 9.98 furlong to equal a 25 year old track record.. or the 2013 version where she broke that same track...
Hay List is more highley rated than any of the myriad of Australian sprinters who went to England and won Royal Ascot sprinters. He's rated more highly than Miss Andretti, Takeover Target, Starspangledbanner, Choisir & Scenic Blast. Dayjur's distance was obviously 5F... on even terms I think he'd have been too fast for Hay List. Over 6F the difference would have been diminished, but I would still give it to Dayjur on most occasions. Black Caviar though... as fast as he was he'd never have...
7F form, & if she wasn't injured, you could easily (but incorrectly) conclude it was a stamina issue. Remember she had been up for practically 12 months before she went to Ascot. Her first run that preparation was October 2011. Horses are not machines.. some travel better than others. Had she been spelled after the Lightning in February & then gone to Ascot no doubt you'd have seen a different horse. But you never know how well they have really done until you get them under race pace. Choisir...
bgardiner2000 safely kept my favorite of all time won future at Vegas and the track perfect rodr her out he won it dayjur shadow jump and petter got the money
Poor Dayjur.
Yeah, maybe she will miss the start in the Diamond Jubilee & run second in the 3rd slowest time in history and then we can start comparing her to Dayjur. I think Dayjur and Hay List would have been a good contest. Black Caviar is something else though.
The horse jumped or avoided the shadow of the grandstand
While it was a benchmark performance, the rating Frankel was given for the performance was adrenergic. Excellerbration is only just a miler. There would have had to have been 5L between himself and Side Glance to warrant such a rating... but there wasn't. It was a neck. Frankel's performance, as good as it was, was made to look better by a tiring Excellerbration who would normally have been 5L adrift of Frankel & 5L in front of Side Glance. On better going that would have been the case.
'' Ascot straight nearly killed her '' Was just layman's terms. I'd say her stamina was stretched at Ascot, And possibly the toughest track shes race on. I don't really buy in to the travelling theory, Yes some horses don't travel but she had more than enough time to climatise and get used to her new surroundings in England aswell as having the full week of prep whilst Ascot was on going...
Only Dajur was a male horse..
Mandurah did that at Monmouth, breaking the world record for a mile (wuth a 65ft run-up). I suppose u'll tell me then that he is a better miler than Frankel based on that? No, he's not. Dayjur, whilst a rare talent, had a record of 11:7-3-0 against questionable sprinting competition. His TF rating (a peak rating) was established in his York win (spectacular no doubt), & on that form he would be right with Black Caviar over 5F. But her record speaks for itself. She is by far the better sprinter.
oh wow Dayjur jump the shadow..
Dayjur jumped both shadows, 15 feet before the wire and again at the wire.
Because they did not buy a $20 shadow roll, he didnt win a $1,000,000 race
@Tobougg please.....Dayjur would have his heart broken by Black Caviar, Vain and Manikato
@leedelaney70 there has never been a horse could beat Dayjur over 5 or 6f. Black Caviar my arse,
super-horse... but Black Caviar has eclipsed him by any measure you could care to make, aside from his ability to handle dirt (maybe). How does Dayjur get a 137 for the Nunthorpe but Miss Andretti only gets 129 for the King Stand? Or how Deep Impact didn't get 140+ for his win in the 2006 Tenno Sho? Frankel is rightfully rated perhaps the greatest of all time, despite never seriously challenging and race / national records. For the same reasons, Black Caviar is streets ahead of Dayjur.
run a sub-10s furlong the way she could. Dayjur would be a 1 horse race.. I'm pretty certain. Of course, this is speculative. But if you draw a form line through the best sprinters year in year out in Europe, & the degree by which the ANZ sprinters are better than they are, it stands to reason that a bench-mark European sprinter like Dayjur would be the best of a just above average year in ANZ... a bit like our middle distance horses when comparing them to the Europeans.
el numero 11 es sujetado alebozamente cuando estaba por ganar la carrera
Dayjur would have beat Hay List over 5 or 6 furlongs, Of that Im pretty confident. Yet again thats just my opinion
Streets ahead? Unlikely, I'd love to have seen the two meet over 5 furlongs. Lets not forget the Ascot straight nearly killed her when she came over to Europe - I personally don't think she was all that. A good horse but nothing more...
lol Why did he jump that shadow? Poor horse. Lol Is he a successful sire.
1990 breeders cup distaff please
Why? Can't bear to watch it. Rest in peace Go For Wand.
Laughable that some idiot thinks Black Caviar would have beaten Dayjur. I have never seen a faster English sprinter. He was unlucky in this on his debut experience on "dog track". Black Caviar struggled to win on turf in the UK where she met better quality horses. Frankel could have won the mile & beaten her the same day!
track record first up after 8 months off. Judging her on her Asoct run is tantamount to judging Frankel on his run in the SJP where things really didn't go his way. It's idiocy Owl. The quality of the opposition she beat in Australian sprinting is significantly better than the B grade European opposition. Star Witness, Ortensia, Soul and others point pretty clearly at this. Well, clear if you have a clue what you're looking at.
She'll be judged by British race fans who wouldn't know any better Owl on her run in England. That's the harsh reality. People without the wherewithall to look beyond her Ascot run, or who choose to ignore some pretty obivous form markers point at it & exclaim that it supports their otherwise lame arguments. I'm sure though, that you're not one of these. No doubt, the track conditions & the nature of the course itself were probably tougher than she had come across before. & had she not any ...
No, Mandurah is not a "wonderful horse." He's a CLAIMER. Do you even know what that means? He ran that time on a fast dirt track, with no undulations, with a 65ft run-up, with no weight, on probably on bute & lasix. That is my whole point. You are quick to assert that Dayjur's time is completely benchmark, despite the consistently fast times that Black Caviar has set over the course of her amazing career. One fast time does not a legend make... & I'm not saying that Dayjur was not a...
I remember Choisir winning both Gr1's at Ascot that week and the travelling didn't take it out on him. Yes Black Caviar maybe fragile and maybe we didn't see her at her best at Ascot but she'll be forever judged on that performance here in England and thats the harsh reality. Shes clearly top class but I think I've seen better and thats just my personal opinion...
Perhaps you can point out the lies I've told... I'm sure your adoring public are anxious to see...
An idiot looking at her royal Ascot performance, claiming that was anywhere near the best she goes would conclude that. I can just imagine our SurpremeOwl joining in the chorus of indignation at the claims made of BC's injuries immediately after the race. Now that the injuries have been confirmed "the Ascot straight nearly killed her." And you're calling me deluded? Perhaps you need a lesson in form reading. Let me know if I can contribute in any way.
Muppet, if you're going to go to the trouble of quoting, try getting it right. I said he couldn't go a step over 5F. And on the face of it that is true. He beat statues at any distance over 5F. The Breeders Cup sprint the biggest in the world? You're joking aren't you? The record of Australian sprinters in the UK would be evidence enough a half-wit to evidence the strength of Oz sprinters. Some of our 2nd & 3rd tier sprinters have dominated the big sprint races in the UK. Perhaps you can ...
Yeah, I hear Coolmore are going to cross some Shire stock into the mix. They'll be a sure thing. You really are a complete noob. Black Caviar equalled the track record in the Lightning Stakes this year... a record set by a great Australian sprinter named Special. The reason the record has stood for so long? Australian tracks are not allowed to get as fast as they did then. Dayjur's York win was outstanding. Maybe you should have a look at Miss andretti in the 2007 King Stand breaking the ...
bgardiner2000
Those handlers were crap. Commentator doesn't say if the horses were OK. Sod the jockey what about the horses.
like Takeover Target, Scenic Blast, Starspangledbanner & Miss Andretti (who would have been the equal of Dayjur over 5F on good going IMO). Hay List on reasonable going would beat any sprinter to have come out of Europe in the last 20 years. Black Caviar won 22 races straight, in an industry that consitently produces the best sprinters. Your idea of big horses carrying weight easier is absolute nonsense. I've never heard such drivel. As for Moonlight cloud... in this years lightning Stakes ...
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So, you agree Frankel is a better miler, even though Mandurah ran 6.62 seconds faster at Monmouth? FYI Mandurah, the season he ran that record was a CLAIMER! Yet you go on to crap on about the relevance of times. Make your mind up... either they matter or they don't. Miss Andretti, who smashed the track record in the King Stand by 1.5 secs was only given a rating of 129 for that performance. Dayjur's run at York was no more impressive. You're comparing a 100m T&F to racing? What? Hilarious.
learn my suject? That's hilarious. Before you make a bigger fool of yourself go and have a look at the 2011 Newmarket Handicap where she set a weight carrying record & nearly broke the track record for 6F. Go & even find a race where dayjur won over 6F... you won't, because he couldn't go a step over 5. Or have a look at the 2012 Lightning Stakes... where she ran a furlong in 9.98s, beating a horse that has achieved a higher rating than a whole host of Australian world champion sprinters...
I didn't know about Dayjur. You have to be kidding don't you? You're really clutching at straws now. I used to sit down the beach as a child watch the great Australian triple crown winner Placid Ark work on the beach. I rode a multiple group 1 winning sprinter called Dark Beau in pre-pretraining. I will forget more about sprinting thoroughbreds whilst ogling my corn-flakes tomorrow morning than you will know in your entire pathetic life. What does Black Caviar not racing in the US hve to ...
track record by 1.5 seconds. So what? Maybe you tjhnik Mandurah is a better miler than Frankel?? No idiot. Times are irrelevant. Dayjur is the only sprinter from the northern hemisphere who could have held a candle to BC... there are though half a dozen or more from the other side of the world.
Are you deluded? Hay list would have beaten any sprinter to come out of Europe in the past 20 years? Hes just a punchbag for Black Caviar. Dayjur would have beaten him over 5 or 6 furlongs Im pretty certain...