Penrhyn Castle Railway museum collection, Various loco's re-homed, my thoughts.
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- Опубліковано 3 бер 2024
- I was saddened by the news that the National Trust Railway Museum at Penrhyn Castle is effectively closing . I pondered how log the loco's were at the castle. Are they really part of the Penrhyn story and where will they be rehomed?
Finally I reflect on the positives as the Locomotives move to their new homes and the exciting news that at least one will return to steam.
So join me as I try a new style of video and share my thoughts.
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I always had the feeling that Penrhyn as the home of the National Trust railway museum was a bit of an accident. The display always seemed a it cramped especially for the larger engines. Watkin is now displayed about 100 yds from where it was built, Fire Queen at the slate museum seems highly appropriate, the disposition of the rest of the locos seems more in the way of finding a good home though the Middleton Railway specializes in Leeds built locos and the number of 3ft gauge railways is very limited
I think good news for the loco, not so sure it is the best for Penrhyn, but I should hold judgement until the new exhibition opens. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
Good video, well played and thanks 👍
Many thanks and thanks for watching.
I seem to remember the LNWR Webb Coal tank loco being there when I visited in the 1960's. Seemed a daft place to have a standard gauge loco displayed!
I've seen old photos of Coal Tanks working on Carnarvonshire lines, so not at all alien to the area. Even so, it's better to see it in steam!
Maybe that's why the eclectic collection should have worked, seeing something unusual for the area. Anyway thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
Great vid I think I agree that its a shame to thin out collections like this.
At least one will steam again in Ireland!
I'd love to see Charles steam again I know her boilers no good but it would be nice to see
"Charles" had a thorough look-see during a visit to Blodge a few years back. The reason for it's withdrawal and what stops it steaming now is (specifically) the inner firebox. It's generally felt that with younger sisters Linda and Blanche still working for a living, the oldest of the trio iis better kept in authentic Penrhyn condition (i.e. no leading pony truck or tender).
It's a real shame things didn't work out for a restored Penrhyn Quarry Railway. Oh well, can't win 'em all!!
@@TheHoveHeretic never say never they used to say that about the WHR of there is a willingness it can be done.
We can only hope, Thanks for watching and starting a discussion.
Harwarden is pronounced Har-den.
Penmaenmawr is pronouinced Pen-mine-m-ow-a
Overall I liked your video - very informative. Yes in a sense it is sad that the railway museum at Penrhyn Castle is moving some of its collection away - but I also think it important that the displays at the castle remain relevant to the industrial heritage of the area and that the locos leaving Penrhyn will now.have the opportunity to be part of a museum or operation relevant to their own heritage. It is good that, in a number of cases, locos are to be restored to working order. Steam engines that are doprmant are dead metal, those that steam are alive and bring the past back to life for all who visit them.
Thanks for the correction, I new someone would point out if I had got it wrong, my wife and I did a bit of research on how to pronounce Hawarden using the google speech and settled on my incorrect version ah well, I tried. I agree the locos should have a better future, but I still will miss the collection being together. Thanks for watching and taking the time to message.
You spend 54 years with an interest, working for and travelling around the world for Railways. Then something like this turns up that you had no idea existed. Every day is a school day. Superb!! One classic example just a few miles from this museum I travelled behind one of their Garrett locomotives on the Welsh Highland Railway, back in 1992 I also had the luck of travelling behind the same loco on the Alfred County Railway in Port Shepston South Africa!
Made my day that I was able to bring something new to you albeit after its gone though. Thank you for watching and the kind words.
A very interesting history of a place and artefacts about which I knew nothing. Thankyou.
Glad it was of interest Kimball, many thanks Matt
Very nicely done and presented, well done Matt.
Thank you Fred, good fun to do - see you soon!
Great video! Very well put together. 👍
Thank you and many thanks for the use of your footage!
@@dustyshelfcollectables No worries
Intrestimg information video
Thanks Caroline
I enjoyed the video, your potted history of each loco was very informative. However, I disagree with your opinion. In each case, it seems to me that the locomotives are going on to better futures in more appropriate surroundings. I think this is a good news story.
Ah no problem at all, But I wanted to get across good for the locos but I am not so sure good for Penrhyn. Anyway thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
Nice video. However, at the time that the Penrhyn Castle collection was put together in the 1960s, there was a definite dearth of places in the U.K. in which store or exhibit any sort of railway rolling stock. In particular industrial railways were of very little interest. The focus in those days was on main line standard gauge steam. Penrhyn Castle was thankfully able to provide a safe resting place for many items which otherwise would have gone to the scrap heap. However the present day collection is something of a mixed bag and most of it had zero connection with the Penrhyn quarries.
An obvious slip of the tongue but in your commentary you state that the Penrhyn locomotive "Charles" is one foot, THREE and a quarter inch gauge. It is actually one foot, TEN and three quarter inch gauge. The Festiniog Railway discovered this after purchasing "Linda" and "Blanche" which liked to deposit themselves between the rails as the F.R. is a fraction wider !
The four foot gauge Padarn Railway locomotive "Fire Queen" emerged from its bricked in slate slabbed resting place in Llanberis, much to the astonishment of most people as hardly anyone even knew of its existence let alone seen it ! I visited the workshops of Dinorwic Quarries in Llanberis about a year before the quarry company closed down virtually without warning. I was allowed to tour around the works unsupervised and inspect various semi-dormant locomotives supposedly awaiting overhaul which never happened. However "Fire Queen" was a well kept secret and never mentioned ! Its four foot gauge "modern (!)" steam replacements of which there were three examples built in the 1880s by the Hunslet Engine Company were of no commercial interest to anyone. By the time of my visit they had already been torched along with virtually all of the Padarn four foot gauge rolling stock aas well as the actual railway that ran to Port Dinorwic on the coast.
You clearly know your subject and thank you so much for sharing. My videos were just a way of challenging myself doing something outside of my nature, as in speaking on camera, but over the last year the knowledge, stories and insight shared on the comments are not only interesting, but a real pleasure to read and engage with. I have had the pleasure to hear from so many people, learn and enjoy the stories, absolutely fascinating that fire queen was tucked away in a shed with not a mention - thank you for watching and thank you again for taking the time to to share.
Matt. Keep up the good work ! "Fire Queen" is one of the oldest steam locomotives in the world. I am still amazed that it survived for so many decades in its hiding place. There were no rails from the inside of its resting place to the outside world to indicate that the anonymous building contained what is really an international treasure. Brian @@dustyshelfcollectables
The national trust seems to want to do more about explaining links to slavery than actually putting on displays people want to see.
I think its right to have a balanced understanding of the history, I just wanted to mention it in the video to respect the story. I wanted to keep on topic with the building and the trains.
great to see vesta is comming near me , sure ian rileys shops ill have it up and running one of ians favourite locos is his 0-4-0 andrew barclay
It will be nice to see it run!
I'm sure that the present Llanberris railway, I'm sure is built to a gauge of 1ft 11 1/2"; the same as the Ffestiniog Railway
You are correct I think, I must have miss read when recording.
The Penrhyn was 1ft 10 3/4"
But the Llanberris was regauged to match in with the other 2ft Gauge railways in Wales.
I never have visited the Penrhyn Castle, for two reasons one Stately houses I don't enjoy, & the other reason with so many better steam railways in north wales why visit a small interest? Ok would I have seen the Kettering loco at Penrhyn NO & now in Eire NO but might see the other locos now moved around the country, also most of the locomotives based at the Penrhyn Castle, are not part of the history of the area. But I will see one loco at the Middleton and maybe another soon at the East Lancs!
It was just the end of an era, and the locos will have a better future. You are absolutely correct about there being better steam railways in Wales. Anyway, thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
it's Stale E bridge
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4:04 im pretty sure this engine has already been moved to Bo’ness
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I think they have all been moved by now, its taken me 5 weeks on and off to record and edit, so a bit behind the news. I may do a follow up. Anyway thanks for watching and taking the time to message.
@@dustyshelfcollectables oh my mistake
To be fair... it was a terrible museum in terms of a railway collection. Difficult to see the exhibits and completely out of context. All of these locos are much better off in places where they can be better seen by far more people.
I agree not the best museum, but should or could have been a real draw to Penrhyn done right. At least the locos have a bright future. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.