Why National Monuments are BANNED in Wyoming
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Ah, yes. The Great Grand Tetons Controversy (nobody actually calls it that, I just made it up but it works so we're going with it). There was indeed a time in Grand Teton National Park's history that was turbulent and stormy, hidden away today behind a veneer of majestic peaks and braided rivers. During the formative years of Grand Teton, just as many people would have preferred the park were never created at all, as who championed its creation. This story can teach us a lot about the politics of park creation, the power of the Antiquities Act, the ongoing debate over land use on America's public lands, and the role of philanthropy in National Parks. It's a doozy, so sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride.
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The ironic thing about this is that nearly the exact opposite thing is happening to my little unincorporated hometown village in Central Florida. It's one of the last places in the area that has practically no development. In fact the locals want to keep it that way. They would've loved something like the antique act to have swooped in and done something to permanently prevent homebuilders from attempting to develop the land any further.
I understand how you feel, I live in Central Florida as well, but we simply cannot allow every 100 year old area to be declared off-limits forever. We will swiftly find ourselves without anywhere to build and grow, and thousands of protected areas that nobody is willing to maintain.
I think the state needs a rule that x% of a county can be zoned for commercial development, x% of a county can be zoned for single family homes, x% of a county can be zoned for multifamily homes, x% of the county must be city park and x% of a county must remain wild/undeveloped. I know this will make it hard to build new homes in the more developed counties and the population will not be able to keep growing in certain areas but that's okay do you really want more congested roads? I don't think allowing home prices to skyrocket is the solution to this lack of housing we can't be pricing workers out of areas, I think there should be a random lottery to determine who gets new homes. I also think employers need to be more willing to let their workers work remotely it would make the cities much less overcrowded/more pleasant and workers would be happier/more productive if they didn't have horrendous commutes.
@@dansands8140 I mean if I were World Dictator I'd pass a decree that states that any future construction should either replace an existing structure or build up. We are cornered here in the peninsula and we will soon find ourselves without anywhere to go unless we pull a Netherlands and start building dikes on the gulf coast.
Yeah, as someone who lived on the edge of unincorporated land in Brevard County, we have the same issue. The place I was born at in the mid-90s is unrecognizable to what it is today, and entire ecosystems have been utterly destroyed with many others on the verge of collapse. It is so bad, that finding boars, foxes or even the occasional bobcat in neighborhoods is not uncommon.
Though, instead of using the antiquities act, I would much prefer for the Federal Government, to actually negotiation with the state and the locals instead of just claiming any area they want. That way, the locals have a voice and say in the matter, and it doesn't create such blowback or disdain for the preservation of the area.
@@dansands8140 build up
I live in Western Canada, but have been on many roadtrips across the western states & provinces. Grand Teton is in my top three favorite places I've ever been. The natural beauty is just indescribable and unmatched. So glad it's a protected area! I've been there three times now (only once as an adult), but I hope to go back many more times. I'd love to see the valley in the winter, covered in snow.
Your neck of the woods isn't shabby either! Love western Canada!
Totally agreed!
@@b.a.d.2086 absolutely! I love a rugged coastline on a good stormy day too 😁
As someone who is lucky enough to be in Jackson, I genuinely think winter makes the park even better. I absolutely love hiking out here and the views are unbelievable, but the quiet that comes with the snow, the elk pouring out into the valley, the majesty of snow covered mountains... also, if you're into skiing, JHMR and Grand Targhee are fantastic. Both very different styles of mountains even though they are the same range (east side and west side, respectively)
what does the rest of your top 3 look like?
The mentioned cross-purposes between federal agencies reminds me of an encounter I had in 1995. I was on a project in Tucumcari, New Mexico. As we walked toward the only open restaurant with breakfast, I noticed a federal truck peppered with hatches on its sides. As the driver climbed out, I asked “what does that truck carry?” he replied that they are transporting muskellunge to the Pacific Northwest to stock the Columbia river. I asked why. He said, for sport fishing.
I was incredulous because there are protected salmon on the Columbia river and muskies would be their top predator. He assured me that the muskies were sterilized. That reply reminded me of the less than 100% efficacy of fish sterilization. I asked if fish and wildlife knew about this stocking effort, and he said he did not know.
Allways expect the government to do exactly the wrong thing ,every time ,,,all the time,,, they created the dustbowl in the 30s, FFS. Still doing stupid shit to this country .
Life...uh....finds a way.
Which isn't at all reassuring.
I hope the driver didn't know much and was carrying tiger muskies. They area sterile cross with pike. On the other hand the state of washington as screwed up plenty of times , one of which brought walleye to the Columbia.
@@BeautifuLakesStreamsBiologists Yup, I heard about the walleyes. Did you hear about the hatchery at Bonneville Dam that put up nets over the fry channels, right at water level? An Oregon fish and wildlife officer visited and saw dead birds drowned in the channels. The nets had wall anchors that resulted in arcs big enough to allow the birds to dive under the water. They would come up for air, but be beneath a net.
Not much different than those same trucks hauling wolves from Montana to release in the cascades.
Great story! I visited the park several times as a child in the early 1950’s and later as an adult. We did a 19 mile hike behind the mountains when I was 10. I never really understood why the Tetons were separate from Yellowstone given that it was so close to it, and I’ve never understood😢 why Jackson Hole got its fame. Thank you so much. It’s all much clearer now. I never knew about the politics.
Glad I could help and thanks for watching!
You should make a video on why there are no national parks in Idaho, its an interesting history!
edit: I know there are many national forests, historical sites, reserves, monuments, etc, I live here and have been to a lot of them. Im referring specifically to the attempts to raise them to become one of the few (63 today) National Parks.
Well, akshualllly... No I'm not going to be that person.
The other NPS properties there are pretty great though. Loved Craters & City of Rocks. Wish we could have spent more time at Hagerman.
Took my kid to Minidoka when I realized there was no mention of the WW2 internment camps in any of the curricula... Well, not in what was publicly available. I called the superintendent's office to ask if it was covered in any class. It wasn't unless a teacher added it individuallly. Couldn't have that.
@@sujimtangerines oh I agree, there’s plenty of great places managed by the NPS here. Just figured it may be an interesting topic from all the attempts to get a National Park designation.
And i havent been to Minidoka yet but would like to go, such a crazy and sad history.
Sounds like an interesting story! Got any resources as a jumping off point for me to learn more?
Wrong, Yellowstone National Park.
@@JohnGottsNot enough to matter.
I was a park ranger at GTNP many years ago and heard only a vague version of this story during my job orientation. A few times, I did get some comments from locals about government overreach and the park belonged to them, but that was about it. Thank you for a great and informative video!
Thanks for watching, glad I could help!
The locals seem to believe the land belongs to them but it doesn’t. It belongs to all of us and the rest of us would like it to be preserved for us and our great great grandchildren. Not for the locals to use up and destroy for their own purposes.
Do a talk on . Who runs the park, not head of parks, but gunpaking law officers who intimidate employees. Visitors. Teton gun officers have ruined the spiritual experiencing of the park by young arigant rangers. I have been in Teton 60+ years since I could walk. Regular rangers are great 👍. Gun parking nazis. Out of control. The worst cops have been hired with no experience but military training. Many have had bad experiences with top officer to New Green Young inexperienced , take over of power needs to go back to head of park.
My sister-in-law, Tricia O'Connor, just retired last year as the Supervisor of the Bridger-Teton National Forest. She's in Saint Ignatius, Montana now.⛰
@@brentnearhood8874wow is she still working in the forest service?
We drove through both Yellowstone and Grand Teton just 4 days ago, and I'm very grateful both parks exist. If the effort and sacrifice hadn't been made all those years ago, we wouldn't be enjoying the beautiful scenery that we now have. The mountains would still be there, but there would be million dollar homes in the landscape with the owners enjoying their magnificent views while ruining ours.
There are multimillion dollar homes all over the area. While trucking I hauled logs from the port in Longview Wa. to just outside the park boundary. It was part of a custom multimillion dollar home for the owners dog! Hand scribed log home.
I guessed you missed the multitudes of multimillion dollar homes while you drove through there. They are everywhere. Maybe one has to live in these expanses like I do to notice it.
Are you a Wyoming citizen? If not you should have no say in what happens in Wyoming. The federal government owns enough land in the state. This state was founded on ranching and farming. The feds taking that land deprives ranchers from using that land. If your livelihood depended on the use of that land you would fight also.
@@silverwolf1967 This position seems blatantly at odds with the idea of property rights: that you have rights to use the land you own but for this to work it requires that you don't have rights to use land you don't own. Its one thing if the government obtains by nefarious means land legally owned by a person. But locals demanding that they are entitled to land clearly owned by the federal government is just plain theft. The harsh but obvious reality is that if your livelihood depends on the use of federal land, you are leaching off the federal government. There is nothing sacred about raising animals for meat. If you can't figure out how to make it work on your own land then get a different job. On the other hand, if you can't make it work because of the problems with the meat packing industry, I'll support you all I can.
@@jonsonnenschein1253 Thank you for illustrating my point so well. They're everywhere, except in the park.
Thank you for all the awesome content and great videos!!
Thanks for watching!
Well told, Cameron. I wonder which landmarks in Wyoming might have become national monuments or parks if the Antiquities Act had not been banned.
I've wondered this many times myself. I'm not familiar enough with the state to really say, but I'm super curious regardless. Thanks for watching!
I live in Wyoming, its a pretty state, but id wager most of the most beautiful nature has been preserved in Yellowstone and Teton Forest
@@HouseJawn There is still a lot of other places that are national forest.and if it was never a park it would probably still look the same.
well, there is Devils Tower National Monument for one.
@@HouseJawn ;) ;)
I had heard of this struggle over the park land, but not in this detail. We stayed at the Moulton Ranch cabins when they were still renting. The park is truly stunning. Thank goodness it has become a national park, because it would absolutely be GONE if it wasn't. It would all be private property with no chance to see it from the spread of mansions built there. Just look at the town of Jackson Hole. The rich people can't live there, because the SUPER rich people have priced them out of town. The businesses have to bus the workers into town from 90 minutes away. There is no place where they can afford to live.
We stayed at the Moulton Ranch cabins the last summer they rented. We were very sad to see the property purchased and donated to the park. Such a beautiful area and peaceful place to stay.
Late stage capitalism is a cancer.
And yet it was the super rich that, right or wrong, allowed the Teton monument.
@n.d.m.515 one thing they did right.
The Grand Teton Park is the most beautiful place I have ever seen. It is heart achingly beautiful. I am so glad that all those people persevered. Thank you so much for telling its story.
You're very welcome, thanks for watching!
I agree! I stopped there just for a day on a cross country trip. I had never even heard of it before but as I drove across country with a friend we looked at a map and stopped at every National Park we could on our way. It was one of my favorite stops on the trip.
That was interesting. I hadn't realized that the park, as now delineated, was brand new when my parents took us on family trips out west in the early 50s. I sympathize with just about all groups whose interests came into conflict, and appreciate the way you told their stories.
Thanks for watching!
I didn't know this! I'm glad it is all preserved. Such a pretty place with so much wildlife
Those bear jams...
Very interesting! Excellent video on one of the absolute best National Parks in the USA. Loved the park footage too. Really enhances the story. I need to get back to this park soon!
Thanks so much for watching!
Breath taking beauty. Spent a week at Colter Village Campground. A few of the pics are hanging on my walls as I write this. Love our Parks.
Couldn't agree more!
You did a fantastic job articulating the many facits to this story. And aside from the beauty and grandur of the park, I had no idea of its turbulent backstory. Very interesting; thank you for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
Just recently spent a few days in the park and couldn't help but be curious about the background behind the tourism situation there while planning the trip. The whole area (park and surrounding cities) all thrive on tourism and ensure you pay handsomely into their system for your visit.
The history of GTNP you describe here is truly amazing. How it all came to be, and I hope I speak for many - the reason we all love this national park. What a beautiful place to visit without restrictions for the most part. So grateful for those who sacrificed to make this happen, and thanks for a great explanation - well done!
Thanks for watching!
People are unaware of the loss of land use when it becomes a national park, swimming holes go away primitive camping is restricted it is no longer used by locals as public lands it is you can use what we say. Some are good and some are not good, ck out little river canyon alabama to see what was lost.
The most popular national park in the US is another great example. Nothing good about overdeveloped, overregulated, sewage-stinking Zion
You should look into Wisconsins Apostle Islands. I know they're technically a national lakeshore, but I really think they could be a candidate for a future national park
Great Lakes parks are a big blind spot for me still. Definitely want to venture out there some day and explore and do a story!
your enthusiasm is infectious, It's a gift you use well in these videos. Thank you
Thanks so much, I'm glad to hear that!
Very interesting! I lived in Jackson Hole Wyoming. And I also lived in Teton Village. I worked at snow King and Alpenhof . Alpenhof was sold in 1988 but it’s an historical site. What an awesome place to live in the early 80’s. Haven’t been back heard it’s changed as all towns do!
Great job. I think it is always important to keep the phrase public land, public access at the forefront of any discussion about our public lands. The national monument classification pretty much keeps everyone off land we all own.
And that’s a good thing because we do, in fact, ALL own it.
@@willar7179 The lands are owned by the US govt, but the people of WY would like to be able to use it (ranching, timber...) to support their economy. The question isn't ownership, but usage.
@@briangasser973 the U S government is We the People and some of us would like to be able to use our lands without stepping in your cow pies.
@@briangasser973 sorry, I get a little hot about this because I live in Oregon where a bunch of cowboys with guns came in and took over one of our wildlife refuges. I don’t believe that the rest of us should have to pay taxes to provide grazing lands and timbers for a small percentage of us to get wealthy from destroying.
Back in 1968, my parents and I went on vacation and visited the Teton/ Jackson Ho;e and Yellowstone area. All three of us loved the areas, the beauty and more. I am extremely happy that all of the Teton/ Jackson Hole area was saved since it would have been a vast loss to the natural beauty of the area if it was not all saved.
Jackson Hole is criminally underrated such a great area frankly you can walk around and shop eat etc a lot to do walking distance
I agree!
Very good presentation, thank you. The famed actor who took part in the cattle drive was Wallace Beery. You can pronounce his last name as beer with a y at the end, or as berry as in raspberry.
Thank you and good catch! I actually had his name right in my script, but just misspoke 😅
Very interesting history - I knew part, but not all of the background. I was a resident of Jackson, WY for 15 years (2005-2020) and found an unfortunate, subtle shift in the purpose and usage of both YNP and GTNP. Originally, the parks were preserved so people could enjoy the unspoiled, natural beauty, as well as see wildlife in its natural environment. The shift I that I saw, is that the land is now preserved for the wildlife primarily, and not so much for the people to enjoy - with more and more restrictions being placed on spaces within the parks. With only 3% of Teton County being private land, it has artificially raised the price of real estate in and around the Jackson Hole area, so that only the extremely wealthy can afford to live there. Sad.
Artificially raising the price of real estate is an interesting concept. I have no idea what it means, though. Is it like building a railroad and now places that were difficult to reach are now open to settlement?
This is the first of your episodes I have seen - worth a subscription. I wish (boy, do I wish!) I could afford a Patreon commitment at this time. Hopefully by Q3 of next year....
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Hey! So I’d love to see more information on Katahdin Woods and Waters national monument. The place is beautiful and wild and I feel like the situation there might have some story. The only way to get into it is through an unpacked road and there’s no facilities. The only visitor center is miles away
That would be a good one to talk about. Relatively new to the system, so not a lot of infrastructure yet. I'm not sure what plans they have in that regard, but Maine is a really fascinating place for NPS units given the overall lack of them on the East Coast. I'll keep it in mind, thanks for the suggestion!
Excuse me. This first national monument America ever had is Devils Tower National Park. Located in WY.
You did an excellent job in presenting this. You have a future in this biz for sure. I was not aware of this well done history of the Grand Teton National Park. I subscribed to see more.
Thank you and welcome to the community!
Thank you. That was well written and I enjoyed your narrative. The ranchers and tourist wranglers were probably better served by leaving the area a national monument, but some folks are stubborn in spite of their best interests. Now that we have a park, the protections are locked in.
I've lived in the American West for all of my adult life and have visited the parks many times. If you're reading this and have never been, that area of NW Wyoming is uniquely beautiful and still very wild. Auto access to most of Yellowstone and the uplands of the Tetons is restricted -- similarly to my neighborhood park, Rocky Mountain -- however, there is still plenty to see from the roads. To enjoy the wilderness areas, as in most of our western national parks, you must get out and walk.
I lost count the number of times I've enjoyed these parks, but it is probably well over a dozen. If you haven't been, go. Mid-September is a good time to visit, after the crowds have gone and before the snow sets in, although that's a winter experience many enjoy in the Jackson area.
Thanks again for your video.
I was fortunate enough to visit the Tetons back in '18 and was completely in awe of their beauty. A very special park indeed. Thanks so much for watching!
@@NationalParkDiaries Thank you! I have been enjoying your channel.
A small price to pay for progress
The French Canadian Voyageurs named the mountains Grande Taton . You can guess what they were equating the mountains to.
"Establishing the park was compared to pearl harbor and Hitler"
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
I was floored when I read about that...
Thank you,
I spent the summers of 68 and 69 travelling the country and visiting many of our National Parks and Monuments.
Although I visited Yellowstone, I only saw The Grand Tetons from a distance.. I see now what a
wonderful area I missed,
but your story adds a whole new dimension to this beautiful place ands what it took to protect it.
I spent more time in Monuments than Parks and unlike popular belief, many Monuments can be as beautiful and almost a large
as the parks.
Though often less visited, which I liked because sometimes I was nearly the only visitor, I had a glimpse into
significant areas of our Nation which are often overlooked.
You are doing a wonderful service to us because you are highlighting what is often unknown about the history of these great regions.
Thank you so much,
Frederick "Rik: Spector
Thanks for sharing and thanks for watching! I'm glad you're enjoying the channel, and I look forward to bringing you more stories!
The same thing is happening today in Arizona undermining ranchers and miners from using the land
Fascinating history and evolution of a National Park. Well told and researched, thank you for providing this good content!
Thanks so much for watching!
Another great video! keep up the great work!
Thanks so much, will do!
Really fascinating. What a tug of war that Antiquities Act. I'm a Canadian following the development of our own National Park (Parks Canada and Historical branch) system. I wonder if Aldo Leopold had any input into Grand Teton's establishment? Thank-you!
I didn't come across any Aldo Leopold involvement when I was researching, but no doubt he was very influential in a lot of these conversations, especially post WWII.
I was not aware of this. I had no idea about all the opposition. Thank you for sharing! I’ll be sure to share this video with friends and family.
Glad I could help - thanks for watching!
Excellent story telling and excellent footage. Glad to see you are a fan of Dune, as well!
Thank you! And yes, big fan - pretty pumped for the new movie later this year!
Just found your channel and I am hooked. Loads of great information I did not have any clue about. Thank you so much !
Welcome! So glad to have you here!
You have a good voice for narrating. Good channel.
Thank you!
My wife and I stayed several days at Jackson Hole for our Honeymoon in 1965. We rented horses and rode up into the mountains on one of the trails. Great fun.
Very nice!
This guy looks like someone who would have a national park diary. Thanks for sharing this is a great idea look forward to you getting a new microphone and using compression. Can tell you love this stuff
This has been happening all the time. There are so many treasured lands that are loved and managed by the locals. We use it for sheep, cattle, hunting, day trips, weekend fishing and we love our public lands and if you leave us alone, we generally can manage it much better than anyone because we know what makes it special.
Then, along come rich city folk and politicians who insist on mucking things up and pulling tricks all designed to seize control of it because they know better. Then we end up with thousands of tourist who helicopter in, take a few picture, trash the place, shit and piss all over then helicopter back to their filthy crime ridden city and tell us how much “they” and only “they” love it and want to protect our land that we have been taking care of for hundreds of years.
This is happening in my home town. A very famous national park is managed by the par service. This is land my family loved and cherished for many years. I’ve spent countless dozens of trips out there in that beautiful country on overnight trips, weekends, picnics, fishing, you name it. Now, we have to pay $50 to go there and make reservations 30 days in advance and the land is chock full of tourists and the local people can’t realistically use it at all any more because the park service has turned it into a big giant corporation that makes $millions. We know it’s there, us old gray haired people on social security would like to go visit but can’t.
…and we have all these smart young 20 something’s clog up our grocery stores, build hotels every 200 feet in our little town, utterly overwhelm our tiny sewage treatment, use all our ground water, overrun our grid, force us to build three more landfills to handle all of their trash and then they come and tell us every day how lucky we are to live right next to one of the most beautiful places on earth and how much they love it while they have utterly destroyed it and our little town.
But great video…tell me more about tourism and how wonderful it is for our wild lands and how much you rich city people have all the right answers to our problems because obviously us, poor local people who spent our whole lives here and are invested in this land and call it home obviously don’t have any answers or should have any input :/
Please don’t be upset if someone uses our public land that belongs to all of us, not just the locals. Old people can buy a lifetime National Parks pass for less than $100. It used to be free before trump changed it. Anyone can buy an annual pass so they don’t have to pay $50 each visit. You might be thankful that you live near a beautiful National Park.
@@mtnman3MTA3 I’m only upset in that so few tourists realize just how much they impact the land and the heavy price we pay as a result as our political leaders scramble for the “free” tourist dollars.
Here’s just one example. I our small town back in the 50s we build a landfill that was designed to last 200 years. That was overflowed 10 ears ago now and they’ve had to destroy pristine wild land 3x that size to keep up and it’s overflowing with flies and smell.
In wild lands restrained by geography there is a limit to how many people can reasonably directly impact it.
Meanwhile, yes there are programs, but nothing puts my wife and I anywhere near the top of the waiting list that’s all booked up for weeks and months.
But this is nothing new and will not change. My sister in law is just as obtuse to it. She thinks if she tips the hotel maids an extra $10 on the side she’s part of the solution.
If the crowding is as bad as you say, then you can only live near one of maybe 5-6 national parks. Zion is one of the busiest in the country, but it still has an off season.
Demanding good infrastructure and land management isn't unreasonable, tourism is a double edged sword, but hating tourists puts you right up there with the residents of Paris and Barcelona. You've got a lot in common with those big city "rich" people.
It sounds like there is a reservation system specifically to prevent the overcrowding issues you've been dealing with. Lots of national parks have free and discounted passes for locals, so if this is something you're passionate about I'd suggest pushing for that at your local park.
Rapid expansion in an area is always hard, it never goes smoothly, and losing the intimate and quiet way you used to visit such a beautiful place sounds very painful and frustrating. I can empathize.
But probably most of us watching this video wish we could visit and experience these places, so I'm not sure you'll find many of us who think that national parks are a defacto evil. There are many parks that absolutely rescued the land from loggers and cattle destroying it. Saguaro national Park and Sequoia national Park come to mind, as both are home to a tree species that needs at least 100 years to reach maturity. Both were at risk of being wiped out by people, both are being preserved and enjoyed to this day because of the parks service.
@@cbpd89grazing and forest management kept our national forests from catastrophic fires which have taken over since the USFS stopped managing the lands in the 80s and 90s. Only now have they started reducing fuel loads to reduce the intensity of fires and smoke.
In the 70s and 80s i used to spend summertime with old friends who lived on Fish Creek in Wilson, Wyoming at the base of the Teyons. My God how it has changed. Places where the moose would feed are have become compromised by human habitat. It is a fortuitous miracle that the Tetons have survived the ultra-wealthy non-native invasion.
I can’t believe those bad ranchers thought they were entitled to that land just because they owned it
If you're looking for story ideas, I have a suggestion (how good a suggestion it is I'll leave up to you): the history of professional sporting events in national park service units. Surprisingly, there's been at least one.
In the 1980s there was a professional bicycle stage race, the Coors Classic, that used the road through Colorado National Monument in Colorado. The annual event used the national monument as a venue four or five years in a row, until the Coors Classic ended around 1988 or '89.
In early 2010s a group created a new bicycle stage race in Colorado that came to be called the USA Pro Challenge. The race organization and local boosters wanted to once again use Colorado National Monument as the location for a stage but the National Park Service declined the request.
While I personally completely agree with the decision by the National Park Service to decline to host the event, even I have to admit that the reasons given for refusing the event weren't consistent and often changed. As a result, I can't say for certain why the National Park Service refused the event organizer's request.
I don't know if there are any other examples of a professional sporting event, or even an amateur sporting event, taking place in a national park or monument or if there were other attempts to do so. I believe Canyonlands National Park has hosted some sort of racing events on the White Rim Trail, but that may have been more informal. There may be others examples, though.
Wow, great topic suggestion! I wasn't aware of the Coors Classic, but I know of at least a couple other sporting events in National Parks. Hinchcliffe Stadium, in Patterson Great Falls National Historical Park, is a historic Negro League stadium, and was recently restored and returned to action. Also, I believe the Washington Commanders old stadium was _technically_ under NPS supervision, but I need to look into that one more to figure out the specifics. Either way, great suggestion, thank you!
@@NationalParkDiaries I had no idea that there was a baseball park in a nation park unit, much less one still being used as a baseball park. That's really, really cool! If I ever get to New Jersey, I'll be sure to check it out.
A big difference, I suppose, is that in each of the examples you mentioned those facilities were originally designed and built to be venues for sporting events, so continuing to use them for that purpose makes sense. Colorado National Monument, by contrast, was originally set aside 1911 to protect its cultural and natural resources. Nothing was said anything about bicycle races (the Tour de France was just eight years old!).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coors_Classic
As alluded to above, I believe that Canyonlands National Park frequently gets requests to use their part for sporting events, I don't know if they decline all or just most of those requests. Might be worth calling them.
Please feel free to let me know if there's anything I can do to help with your research. I reside in Grand Junction, Colorado, adjacent to Colorado National Monument.
I've always been surprised by the Pikes Peak International Hill Climb.
@@x--. that was my thought but Pikes Peak isn't a national park.
@@roberteltze4850 Hot dang. I will never conquer the distinction between national forest, national park and all of the in-betweens.
Very interesting and fascinating history. Thank you for posting this!
Thanks for watching!
Good video. Complicated topic. There are still similar scenarios in other states. While I love those parks and grew up in Wyoming, I also find it problematic for the federal government to essentially take land from a state, without due process and that state’s concurrence.
I'm very glad that UA-cam suggested your channel! Excellent video on Jackson Hole and the Tetons!
Thanks so much for watching!
This was an interesting video. I can sympathize with Wyoming. This summer I visited three National Monuments. After seeing the capricious nature of their rule making, my feeling is that the Nation Park service should not be given another square inch of land.
A video on your recommended reading list for topics on our national lands would be great. Thanks!
Oh man, I could talk for days about that lol. Might have to put something together on another channel for misc stuff like that!
Informative and well-told. Thank you! I subbed and look forward to more stories.
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Sounds like the basis for the show “Yellowstone “
Wow! I have been there and skied Jackson Hole for a week. Did not know about this.
Interesting. Thank you.
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Fantastic storytelling! That's truly sad that bringing another national park to Wyoming will be so difficult, but at least it saved the Tetons. I just came back from 3 days in Tetons, and I can easily say it's one of my favorite national parks I've been to. Great work, again!
I'm curious to know what other areas in Wyoming should have been made into national parks.
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@michaelbarrister429 everything between the eastern and western borders, if you let government and people who dont understand land management have their way.
Great storytelling!
Thank you!!
I love your storying telling ability
Thank you!
Really interesting. I've seen this sort of tension and controversy at the state level as well. In Wisconsin, the creation of Peninsula state park was fraught during the interwar years, now, it's the gem of the entire area. I imagine people haven't changed much.
The title is a bit obfuscated since Devils Tower aka Bear Lodge Butte is still a national monument I believe.
You are correct, but Devil's Tower was proclaimed by Teddy Roosevelt in 1906, before the 1950 Grand Teton legislation. Existing National Monuments were unaffected when it was enacted.
This was fascinating!
I think it all sounds so crazy but thank goodness we have Grand Teton NP-l love it. I love all of the NPs.
Thanks for this!
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The Antiquities Act has been abused for decades to circumvent local input, congressional oversight, and a collaborative legislative process.
There is even more that you didn't (maybe get a chance to) cover. The fact that the town of Moose is inside Grand Teton as is the the Triange Ranch. The creation of the park was not 'clean' and there are/were pockets of land 'owned' by citizens who didn't loose their land, but cannot sell it (or I gather Will it to others). If memory serves me there were some time limits on some of the parcels. As a long term Wyoming resident (before moving to the Philippines over a decade ago), while not a reside of Park County, WY, I did a lot of business there for many years. As to those who 'came around' to liking the park, well, that's a bit of a cute way of saying that there were folks moved in to the 'Hole' to take advantage of the new situation and they eventually became the majority. 'Packing the court' if you will allow the (quasi-timely) analogy.
Thats what Ruby Ridge was about. Randy Weaver owned land inside a national park, The Rangers worked with Sheriffs and F.B.I. to create legal entanglements for him and move to confiscate his property... They hated that when their "protected" animals wandered onto his property, he could legally harvest them and they had no authority over him on his own property.
@@deplorablecovfefe9489 Good try but, no it wasn't. But, yes, you clearly are in the Deplorable camp. You may think the US government and the FBI are your enemies. And they may well be, in your case. But for law abiding citizens, they protect us from those who support wannabe dictators, zealots, kooks and fanatics.
Have a nice day.
@@deplorablecovfefe9489 Thank You for making this known about Ruby Ridge.
I think it may be getting towards time for another International Park Diary, eh? Like the Skeleton Coast one.... surely there has to be something interesting about Banff or the only active volcanoes in mainland Europe, many of which are included in Italian Nat and Regional parks. Or even it might be nice to xplain how other nations Nat. Parks systems work, so as to set the groundwork for reaching past our own borders
Besides, gotta save some Amercian stories for the future.... wouldnt want to run out of the *checks list* 423 National Park Sites...... ok wait
I think you're right! I've got one on the docket for later this month, so stay tuned for that. My biggest hurdle, unfortunately, for doing more international stories is footage. Plus, travel is expensive so I can't always plan to visit an international park to collect my own 😢 BUT, as this channel continues to grow, I see international parks as a big part of my plans. Thanks for the suggestions!
One of the best and many parks I’ve been to spend four weeks up there and I heading back there in 2024
I think a monument or national park should only be done with the approval of those who live there.
Fascinating story, definitely would like to hear more of these.
That's what this channel is all about! Lots more stories to come!
You get a like simply for the Dune boxset on your bookshelf. Cheers!
Haha, appreciate it!
The Rockerfellers kept a nice parcel for themselves. It is still there.
Yep! They have a long relationship with National Parks. Might make for an interesting video someday!
Great video and narrative. Thank you for the research and effort.
The Grand Tetons is probably the most beautiful range I have run across in my travels in North America. The lowlands only make the mountains look more majestic. I have Kodak slides from the 70's when I was just a kid. They look fantastic.
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Brother waited 25 years to tell me that he saw one.
If banned, why is Devil's Tower a National Monument?
Good question! Devil's Tower was proclaimed prior to the Grand Tetons law. Teddy Roosevelt proclaimed it in 1906, while the Tetons legislation was enacted in 1950.
@@NationalParkDiaries thanks for answering this question. I clicked on the video because of Devils Tower. I’ve climbed it a couple of times and am interested in anything related to it.
@@ericcox6764 no problem, glad I could help!
I visited Grand Teton National Park last May and saw Mt. Klan.
1. Why are Yellowstone and Grand Teton not a unified park?
2. I don't understand why the Antiquities Act are a factor.
The antiquities act is invoked by a presidential executive order. Basically it is ruling by fiat. It allows Congress, and the people, to be cut out of the loop. They is why the Grand Staircase Escalante, and the Bears Ears got so much opposition. The people of Utah don't nessesarilly hate the parks. They hate the way they came about. He'll, Bill Clinton didn't even have the balls to announce the executive order in Utah. He sprung it on us from Arizona. We had no idea it was coming until Bily Boy went to the Grand Canyon and basically said, "Oh, by the way, I'm making a new National Park in Utah."
The picture at 7:56 is just bad*ss. What an absolute chad, just chilling with some black bears.
That would be Horace Albright lol, first NPS Superintendent of Yellowstone, second NPS Director, and one of the most important figures in NPS history. I actually have an entire video all about him if you're interested!
The Forest Service being petty and horrible never surprises me.
I really value public lands while at the same time, I really value private property rights. My rights end where yours start. I don't think I can form a strong opinion as an outsider who does not live in the area. This is why local governance is so important.
There is a National Monument in Wyoming, though. Fossil Butte National Monument, just a little bit north of Evanston.
Saw your video on our coastal redwoods, while I think it’s a bit of an incomplete picture as to the question it answers I still liked it. In that vein have you consider doing Stout Grove ?
very cool journalism keep going
Thank you!
Isn't Devil's Tower (which _is_ in Wyoming) considered a national monument?
Indeed, it IS a National Monument. But it was established in 1906, before the controversy over Grand Teton National Park began. Interestingly, President Theodore Roosevelt used the authority of the Antiquities Act to create Devils Tower National Monument, our nation’s first. So Wyoming can claim America’s first National Park (Yellowstone 1872) as well as our first National Monument.
It was an amazing place to grow up. Some developed areas (by Wyoming standards), but mostly untouched wilderness.
I can already tell this is the kinda channel imma binge for hours while playing Minecraft
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How does the National Elk Refuge and protected wetlands north of Jackson fit in? Great story!
Knew lot of this as is one of my favorite places, so beautiful there
Agreed!
Great story! No, I didn’t know this before your presentation. 😮
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I was a produce truck driver for Jackson hole in Wyoming and I was told that Tetons means Tits in French or some language
Thank you for this excellent teaching tool.
Thanks for watching, glad I could help!
I love the Wind River Range as much or more than the Natl Parks. Fewer people, fewer rules, ranchers allowed. It works.
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I was not aware of this controversy. Teton is my favorite of all the national parks. 😊
First time listener and I picked a good one to start with. I've been to GTNP a few times and I can never image it not being protected. I've seen so many wonderful places here in Colorado fall under development and I am grateful there were people with foresight to make this happen. One word of caution - the local ownership mentality still simmers in the West. The Sagebrush Rebellion in the 1970's-80's and the sentiment behind it is still there. Thanks for this great story!
Welcome to the channel, glad to have you! Sagebrush Rebellion could be (and probably will be) its own video lol. Thanks for watching!
Ironically I worked for both the NPS and the USFS. I never knew the history of Teton. I watched the 2017 total eclipse here
Now that would have been a cool place to see it! I watched from a highway overpass lol
I love Grand Teton NP! Very interesting history. Thanks. I’ll be subscribing.
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great story telling, would love to see a video about the eradication of bison in Yellowstone, some great stories about poachers and NPS working to catch them.
Ooooh, that is a good story idea. Thanks, thanks for watching!
Bison were never eradicated in Yellowstone. In fact the Yellowstone herd has been instrumental in restoring bison to other areas.
Down to the last 25 in the park I feel like the word fits. @@MichaelCousin1
Great job! Very informative about the Grand Tetons. Thanks
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So the ranchers were worried about grazing lands, and it looks like that's what happened.
Well done. I wonder if you could take a look at a National momument in my area that has been used to limit human access, Organ Mts National momument. It was originally just that, but has been change to Wilderness research areas as well that is beginning to limit human access. What are the long term issues human access? again I enjoyed this look at the Tetons. Thanks
Appreciate the kind words, thanks for watching!
Limiting motorized and bicycle access is not the same thing as limiting human access.
Great video!
Thank you!!
The national park that could have been: Hetch hetchy would be a really interesting video
Already covered it! Check it out on my channel if you're interested!