Yeah but the tournament organisers just disqualified a team like that without going further into it? They should take part of the blame too just by doing that
@@tak3n767 I never even heard about this, actually makes me so mad some big name loses a series finds one clip of someone who happened to put his crosshair on someone across the map and their team just loses everything. "Several deserving teams unfairly" LMFAO they were the only ones who deserved it and were kicked out.
Ninja is a no life gamer wannabe, we all know that. Bro knows he sucks at every game excluding Fortnite which is pretty much a dead game nowadays, and that he's irrelevant.
The "lock" from Critical is something that happens literally every game. Players allign with crosshairs all the time and in that specific situation it is clear that Critical is also holding the mid angle.
I mean, if you would add up all shots fired on a streamed event of a pro player over many years... How hard is it to believe that there will be a hand full of extremely lucky, sus hits over probably hundreds of thousands of shots? As you said: just watch twitch compilations - it a question of chance, nothing more.
Yeah, that's one of the least sus "sus" plays I've ever seen. His opponents lined up and they both got shot. I do that to other people and have it done to me multiple times a day in just about any FPS game I play. It's a completely normal and common occurrence across almost the entire genre. Some of flusha's plays are a little sus, but that one isn't one of them.
The set up is pure luck. Also why would he change the target if he saw it, when there is an enemy in your face. Every bullet spend on sth else is dangerous. And it would have locked why that guy? Its a spray where he got a headshot. There are way more sus plays than that
“There’s no evidence that he has cheated and no evidence that he hasn’t.” How do you show evidence that you haven’t cheated, if there’s no evidence that you’ve cheated? This shit made my brain hurt
I remember the Geguri incident....it was sad to see how much hate she got for her insane tracking ability and what it did to her mentally. After she shut down the haters by proving her skills, she retired a few of the opposing team players because they said they would quit Overwatch if they were in the wrong.
Subroza's clip is just DM muscle memory, if you hear someone flick in their general direction, you can even see that he doesn't flick to the guy at tetris he's keeping his gun head level because he heard the gunshots from behind, If anything It's just solid crosshair placement.
I watched every Roza clip and i swear it ain’t that bad, especially as what cheat would do that? Aim bot? No probably not as he didn’t get impact frags. Walls? I mean why the fuck is he aiming back and flicking like that. Like what kind of cheats would of had it been?
Forsaken's teammates were always telling Optic that they thought he was cheating but Optic never listened smh and we all know what happened afterwards.
@@kilianfirebolt cs is kinda dead here coz all orgs dropped lineup and top content creators and pros shifted to valo and cs cheater problem is less here in mm but compi is dead lol
The shaiiko thing was disproven, they used the Anticheat from back then, and used a macro for real. It didn’t detect it, which means the anticheat doesn’t detect macros in the first place. The key they detected was his 4 key, which was his gadget. He played hibana a lot so he needed those X-KAIROS detonated as fast as possible
Know this is a long time ago but if anyone see this now know that this is false. Even if the anticheat (Moss) did not detect a macro when they tested would not mean anything. The reason its been disproven is bc the anticheat had a Bug where it would repeat the key pressed sometimes. Its simply an artifact Bug in the Software that have now been removed from moss
Can we all take a moment to remember how good FalleN was awping in his prime? The dude's movement and the confidence in his peeks were unreal even for today standards ❤️
That valorant clip was so dumb he just moved his crosshair to the other opening and it was head level it was just a coincidence that someone was there on the other side of the map.
I might have hated him alot for how he brutally slaughtered my favorite teams BUT he wasn´t cheating. Many times he just got lucky with timing and the clip in question, how the fuck is that even sus?
6:30 he was flicking to the other side in case he got peeked from there the fact that his crosshairs went right to the enemy through the wall is incredibly lucky
I never understood why Dan m or anyone thought the way falleNs crosshair moved in an L was because of aimlock. When someone decides to make a cheat, the way the crosshair moves will be programmed in by them. Typically programmers in situations like that are just gonna tell the program to find the shortest path and flow that, which would in this case be a diagonal line. In order for an aimlock to move in a perfect L shape, it would have to either be deliberately programmed to do so, or be programmed by someone who doesn’t even know how to deal with moving on 2 axis at once. Neither of which are conductive to making a cheat that could be undetected, especially not on LAN. And that’s not even taking into consideration that pixels are squares, if you zoom in enough on nearly anyone moving their crosshair you’ll get a lot more “90 degree” movement than you might think because of the way pixels work.
its also a fact that in reviews crosshairs tend to move more like 90degree routes than the actual player movement. The crosshair doesnt always move exactly like it happened
Plus, i feel like gotv recordings during that time usually had that weird kind of L shape-ish movement when aiming. If you look at the olofboost incident, olof’s scout did the same L thing.
It's understandable, there's no real reason for him to repeatedly flick to an invulnerable enemy, so people thought he was fighting his aim lock or something.
@@asdasdv7540 there’s two types of people: Flickers, and Trackers. To flick with a sniper is an art, i’ll catch myself doing it even when i got bullseye on the person, it’s a habit, moving to another game and started using shotguns and i still flick but it’s punishable in that game, because it makes the accuracy worse, it’s not sus at all, not even that good he just killed 2 ppl? 3? not like he aced it or smth.
@@AMMARvx I understand that some people flick more than others, but it's the thought process behind where he chooses to flick to that many people don't understand. That's not to say there is no possible justification for his crosshair movements, just that it looks strange. (some examples of justifications could be that he was preparing to flick if someone coming back from spawn had peeked from the right, or he was expecting the genji to dash up to him, but still wanted his crosshair centred near the lucio) Also, the fact that this clip isn't that impressive is pretty irrelevant, he could have gotten 0 kills and the crosshair movement would still look strange (and he's taimou, he's got plenty impressive clips that people could point to). I personally don't think taimou is hacking, but I understand why people would come to that conclusion based off of this clip.
I know cod esports doesn't get much attention but Owakening definitely could've made the list. Man got accused by half the cdl his first year, is the reason why pros have to use "sincerity cams" in the online season, and is still tearing it up as one of the best flex players in the league
much respect for flusha, the guy just gave one of his majors money to help Fallen and his teammates travel to the major that was going to happen (at 2016 I guess). They were starving and didn't have any money to go there, man has such a warm heart.
6:26 is so dumb, he's literally just putting his crosshair where the enemies head would be if they were peeking from the right. he may have heard something mid and looked where he would peek. it's a coincidence that an enemy is retreating in that general area
Ninja lost, he got salty, he complained, tournament organizers dq’ed them because ninja has money and influence. No tournament organizer with a brain would’ve actually thought they were cheating it was purely Ninja throwing a tantrum. If that clip was actually enough for anyone to think cheats then most csgo professionals would be long banned.
Yes. Forsaken do single handedly destroyed the entire eSports scenario of India back in those days. I used to play CS GO and I was mostly playing against Singapore players or sometimes with international teams and they started to call us the hacker team, taunting us for no reason and it really feels bad.
I go accused of wall hacking in CSGO yesterday for hearing a guy running down banana on Inferno and throwing a flash and killing him so needless to say the team I was playing weren’t very intelligent
@@alfairsoft yep then the next game two of my teammates barely tried the whole time then my brother zeused one and got kicked then I got kicked even tho I was 2nd best on the team I hate solo queuing or queuing with only one other person it’s miserable
I mean cs is either you calling someone else a cheater or you getting called a cheater but there have been some really funny calls that make you laugh out loud! I recently got called a cheater when a guy killed my teammate in a when bomb is called b and I peaked the location to make sure we don’t get flanked. “Why would you peak a site when all my teammates are b? You much be wall hacking!”
@@shourya7846 yeah CS is my favorite game but it’s just so frustrating to play nowadays unless you’re in a 5 queue and even then yo I go up against some smurfs or cheaters that ruin the game
Sucks that so many pros cheat or use “soft” cheats. Some tournaments seem like they’re just, “whoever can hide cheats the best and make it least obvious”.
@@iMeteox doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. You can even use examples of players hearing cheers and vibrations from fans that can give them an unfair advantage. And preeeety sure you’d be surprised at how many more pros cheat than you may think..
@@Skreebee There are, once again, VERY FEW instances of people using crowd cheers and reactions to gain information. There's the one moment where someone screamed "JANELA!" in the crowd (portugese for "window"), and another instance where a player hovered his crosshair above a typical wallbang spot and waited to hear the crowd scream to confirm his idea before firing. I don't deny that it happens. I'm just saying that out of the hundreds of professional players and the thousands of matches we've seen, we can probably count software cheaters on the fingers of our hands. Sure, there are surely cheaters we haven't busted, but it's very likely that the majority of them have been exposed and sanctioned.
Bro Penta/G2 accuses everyone they lose to of cheating, I believe that pengu especially is one of the worst losers in esports history, the amount of people he's accused of cheating is insane
We have to give forsaken props tho, nobody in all of esports has ever chosen a name that was more apt, more descriptive about them or that foreshadows their future
The shaiiko banned was bs. Basically he one tapped pengu on the stage, pengu cried about it. To get him to suck it they checked their anti cheat and found that the '4' key was pressed at inhuman speeds. that key by default throws your drone, and looking at the logs it showed that a large portion of players competing showed the same key spam, including pengu. So it was a bug in their software and they pengu cried about it being recoil control, as if you could bind that or have it be reliable for each guns unique recoil pattern. TLDR, Shaiiko didnt cheat, pengu's ego was just too strong
i have never thought Fallen cheated, i still dont, but youve gotta admit, that L shaped movement does look strange when its slowed down like that, i wouldnt call it evidence but for someone who is convinced everyone in csgo is cheating you can see why Dan picked it up and ran with it
yeah but if that's the case half the silvers are also cheating. just take a look at any csgo silver game with an awp, hell if I hadn't deleted my csgo I could *probably* find something similar as I main awp
That L-shaped movement comes from the demo viewer. Replaying game recordings is accurate enough to show how the game was played, but for micro movements like aim, when slowed down, makes it look extremely robotical and fishy. It looks unnatural because it is unnatural - it's a live replay, server side, of what happened, not exactly what happened on his local machine.
Ngl, unconsciously looking like a cheater is very easy to befall upon to the point that even I am surprised at myself that i am not cheating, game sense really goes a long way to the point that it's like wall hacks
I agree with the guy like I’d say 70% of all the pros are currently cheating or have cheated not super blatant but I’d say they are definitely doing anything and everything they can to get an wdge
When people lose so badly, all of a sudden they're a professional at knowing what a cheater does and looks like. It's pretty disgusting considering people even accused me in multiple games where I've gotten banned from such as CoD:MW/CoD:WZ, Rainbow Six Siege, Red Dead Redemption 2 Online, and even GTA Online. Like why can't we just play games and accept losing? Everyone always knit picks on the little things that wouldn't be considered a factor in cheating.
iirc taimou was so bad in owl he couldnt play hitscan because of his 'inconsistant aim' so went onto winston, so, not really. he wasnt *caught*, there were more clips, even from dirty bomb. we'll never know, but fanboys and further cant be honest about really wierd shit. old clips were truly fucked if you saw them
Hey Danny, I recognise you from an old Top 5/10s channel and was curious what that channel was? I do prefer your work over here, you're doing a great job!
LOL Fallen doesn't belong here. the "L shape flick is impossible" Dan M says. He literally flicked right, then adjusted head level after he saw he was on him. Scout needs to be a HS for a 1 shot full hp kill (or no armor)
Also, aim bots move in a straight vector afaik. Havent heard of aimbots moving x and y axis one after another. That L shape to me is prove of human movement rather then aimbot.
The shaiko one was explained by one of his tm8s, it was his itil button and he spammed 4 while playing hibana to get it to deploy as quick as possible im pretty sure
The flusha inferno clip isn't that bad, he was shooting at the guy close up, then his brain registered the guy further away and it drew his crosshair to him, then he snapped back from looking at the guy and shot the guy close. The movement between the two players were purely sub-conscious "luck".
I think the clip at 4:56 is just pixel jumping, where the DPS of the mouse and the in-game sensitivity are very different and result in grid-snap movement when you zoom in. 3kliksphilip did a great video on it
A few years back there have been multiple stories about players changing keyboard/mouse mid game, + the security was not good at all a few years ago at lans.
Geguri was just a classic example of sexism tbh, though it seems a lot of these accusers bring others down on behalf of their own insecurities and jealousy.
@@studenheim8388 What kinda planet do you live on where there ISN'T exaggerated hostility towards female gamers for them not being men? Is it one where there actually is more than one active female pro per esports league?
@@studenheim8388 Considering that the entire asian region isn't exactly known for being progressive regarding gender equality (and yes even Japan is still shitty regarding it), and the absolutely autistic fury of most pro players, I wouldn't be surprised at all.
I still don’t know why Forsaken is still being called a cheater, he literally just wanted to write essays in between games smh
lmao ye
He still had a 200 word essay due for the next day
word.exe
@TheMz e
@TheMz no lol that's a different guy,just lookalike
that Clara clip never gets old LMAO
Facts the Clara clip is the most funny CS clip especially when you watch the full clip cuz it keeps getting more and more stupid
Should’ve just ended the stream
Clara always leave hacks on my ps4
It belongs into the classic hall of fame tho haha
Fckin clara...
Critical was literally just checking his angles 😭 God ninja is so awful
Yeah but the tournament organisers just disqualified a team like that without going further into it? They should take part of the blame too just by doing that
@@tak3n767 I never even heard about this, actually makes me so mad some big name loses a series finds one clip of someone who happened to put his crosshair on someone across the map and their team just loses everything. "Several deserving teams unfairly" LMFAO they were the only ones who deserved it and were kicked out.
Ninja is a no life gamer wannabe, we all know that. Bro knows he sucks at every game excluding Fortnite which is pretty much a dead game nowadays, and that he's irrelevant.
Forsaken is trying to do his homework while playing in the tournament. Please leave him alone
Ikr lmfao
Yeah, like cmon, he just had a good gaming chair
The "lock" from Critical is something that happens literally every game. Players allign with crosshairs all the time and in that specific situation it is clear that Critical is also holding the mid angle.
The way he jiggled tho made it look more sus If he actually just moved naturally over the enemy then thats just coincidence
Omg flicking now is sus, thanks silver
like his pre aiming just happens to line up with a player on the other side of the map, must be cheating!!!!1!
@@hiepdo1027... What?
@@hiepdo1027 its not the flicking it looked as if he was fighting the lock on
Wasnt Critical just placing his crosshair at headlevel on the right side in case someone came from mid?? Someone just happened to be there lol
YES
And also you can't aim lock on someone across the fricking map lmao
@@chandravo501 you actually can with scope weapon
@@chandravo501 Yea exactly the game doesn't render enemies that far out
valorant players dont know about crosshair placement
i love that the "sus" clip with flusha just looks like pure luck, i see clips like that 5 times a day in jagerhimselftoo's siege compilations
I mean, if you would add up all shots fired on a streamed event of a pro player over many years... How hard is it to believe that there will be a hand full of extremely lucky, sus hits over probably hundreds of thousands of shots? As you said: just watch twitch compilations - it a question of chance, nothing more.
I honestly wonder that they didn't pull up the Mirage Clip instead, which is 10x more suspicous imo and the one that still has me doubting.
go save your cheater idol 😂
Yeah, that's one of the least sus "sus" plays I've ever seen. His opponents lined up and they both got shot. I do that to other people and have it done to me multiple times a day in just about any FPS game I play. It's a completely normal and common occurrence across almost the entire genre. Some of flusha's plays are a little sus, but that one isn't one of them.
The set up is pure luck. Also why would he change the target if he saw it, when there is an enemy in your face. Every bullet spend on sth else is dangerous. And it would have locked why that guy? Its a spray where he got a headshot. There are way more sus plays than that
“There’s no evidence that he has cheated and no evidence that he hasn’t.”
How do you show evidence that you haven’t cheated, if there’s no evidence that you’ve cheated? This shit made my brain hurt
Playing at a Lan
@@Dubscr flusha has literally played at lan hundreds of times.
Devil's proof
@@noxerius3720 that’s what I meant 🤣
@@Dubscr go watch ko1ns proverwatch of that tree-room flusha clip. that timing does not look good for flusha.
I remember the Geguri incident....it was sad to see how much hate she got for her insane tracking ability and what it did to her mentally. After she shut down the haters by proving her skills, she retired a few of the opposing team players because they said they would quit Overwatch if they were in the wrong.
Subroza's clip is just DM muscle memory, if you hear someone flick in their general direction, you can even see that he doesn't flick to the guy at tetris he's keeping his gun head level because he heard the gunshots from behind, If anything It's just solid crosshair placement.
Exactly.
Lmao you gotta be trolling
I watched every Roza clip and i swear it ain’t that bad, especially as what cheat would do that? Aim bot? No probably not as he didn’t get impact frags. Walls? I mean why the fuck is he aiming back and flicking like that. Like what kind of cheats would of had it been?
@@CereaI. that 180 flick was impressive but even if he hacked why wouldn't he use it to win the game, they were losing 15-2, my brain hurts.
1:30 thoughts on his flick to shroud while blind and then onto stew right afterwards (while still blind) ?
Forsaken's teammates were always telling Optic that they thought he was cheating but Optic never listened smh and we all know what happened afterwards.
Really that sucks lol
Man I feel really bad for them
Im a simple indian csgo fan. I see word.exe, i click
hope yall can make it back into esports
@@kilianfirebolt no cs compe dead in india all pros playing valo now we got international representation opportunity by vcc
@@sukhmanjot823 i didint say i hope yall make it back into cs esports, jm talking about any game
@@kilianfirebolt cs is kinda dead here coz all orgs dropped lineup and top content creators and pros shifted to valo and cs cheater problem is less here in mm but compi is dead lol
@@sukhmanjot823 yet cs has the most players on steam. Its not dead its still the biggest ego shooter, just some people switched to valorant
*Regardless of what game they play*
Me, a rocket league player: huh?
Top FPS*
Me who plays single player games: huh?
Hmmmm hacks?? Like the sunless video between hackers pros and noobs
@@evlx1240 link?
nvm found it my bad
The shaiiko thing was disproven, they used the Anticheat from back then, and used a macro for real. It didn’t detect it, which means the anticheat doesn’t detect macros in the first place. The key they detected was his 4 key, which was his gadget. He played hibana a lot so he needed those X-KAIROS detonated as fast as possible
Know this is a long time ago but if anyone see this now know that this is false.
Even if the anticheat (Moss) did not detect a macro when they tested would not mean anything.
The reason its been disproven is bc the anticheat had a Bug where it would repeat the key pressed sometimes. Its simply an artifact Bug in the Software that have now been removed from moss
Flusha aka Senor Vac is a legend. He had to be Number 1 😂
Ninja got bbg DQed because of a "suspicious" clip, and no hard evidence? That's just plain stupid.
Yeah but Ninja is a crybaby.
Yeah, but ninja is a ultra tryhard
csgo: hey sometimes the enemy are just having a good day
Csgo: hey our game is dogshit and dead
@@hiepdo1027 no its not mate
@@arthurbarnwell9220 okay mate convincing argument, I agree
@@hiepdo1027 as if you gave one
@@hiepdo1027 not dead but dying
Can we all take a moment to remember how good FalleN was awping in his prime? The dude's movement and the confidence in his peeks were unreal even for today standards ❤️
No
That valorant clip was so dumb he just moved his crosshair to the other opening and it was head level it was just a coincidence that someone was there on the other side of the map.
Tru Im no pro but I sometimes get kills miraculously by shooting on a random wall
Imagine thinking Fallen is cheating, the man has been playing cs since the dawn of 1.6
I might have hated him alot for how he brutally slaughtered my favorite teams BUT he wasn´t cheating. Many times he just got lucky with timing and the clip in question, how the fuck is that even sus?
@@DampLover the movement at 4:55 is pretty sus tbh
@@PIERROOOOOO this is a demo bug. The live game was normal flick. Due low demo tickrate, it has to interpolate two points, and this sht happen.
@@ivanbertoni7622 Yea I'm not surprised by the explanation
@@PIERROOOOOO uhm, WHY WOULD AN AIM BOT MOVE IN AN L? HMMM
6:30 he was flicking to the other side in case he got peeked from there the fact that his crosshairs went right to the enemy through the wall is incredibly lucky
Incredibly unlucky*
@@Ukko_ lmao
@@Ukko_ yeah
It also happens in csgo. Ninja is just salty as always
I dont play valorant but it looks like he wanted to pullout of the enemys head but the script was pulling him back in
Forsaken is common in every video nd thumbnail😂😂😂😂
I never understood why Dan m or anyone thought the way falleNs crosshair moved in an L was because of aimlock. When someone decides to make a cheat, the way the crosshair moves will be programmed in by them. Typically programmers in situations like that are just gonna tell the program to find the shortest path and flow that, which would in this case be a diagonal line. In order for an aimlock to move in a perfect L shape, it would have to either be deliberately programmed to do so, or be programmed by someone who doesn’t even know how to deal with moving on 2 axis at once. Neither of which are conductive to making a cheat that could be undetected, especially not on LAN. And that’s not even taking into consideration that pixels are squares, if you zoom in enough on nearly anyone moving their crosshair you’ll get a lot more “90 degree” movement than you might think because of the way pixels work.
its also a fact that in reviews crosshairs tend to move more like 90degree routes than the actual player movement. The crosshair doesnt always move exactly like it happened
@@sigibergmann9356 Good point. There are so many possible explanations, cheating being the least likely.
Thanks for sharing this knowledge.
I want to make games, but THAT was way over my head!
XD
Plus, i feel like gotv recordings during that time usually had that weird kind of L shape-ish movement when aiming. If you look at the olofboost incident, olof’s scout did the same L thing.
@@krayse thats what im saying, maybe its the compressed replay that does this or something
How did people even think Taimou’s clip was suspicious? Bro people are terrible at games fr
True
Ik
It's understandable, there's no real reason for him to repeatedly flick to an invulnerable enemy, so people thought he was fighting his aim lock or something.
@@asdasdv7540 there’s two types of people: Flickers, and Trackers.
To flick with a sniper is an art, i’ll catch myself doing it even when i got bullseye on the person, it’s a habit, moving to another game and started using shotguns and i still flick but it’s punishable in that game, because it makes the accuracy worse, it’s not sus at all, not even that good he just killed 2 ppl? 3? not like he aced it or smth.
@@AMMARvx I understand that some people flick more than others, but it's the thought process behind where he chooses to flick to that many people don't understand. That's not to say there is no possible justification for his crosshair movements, just that it looks strange. (some examples of justifications could be that he was preparing to flick if someone coming back from spawn had peeked from the right, or he was expecting the genji to dash up to him, but still wanted his crosshair centred near the lucio)
Also, the fact that this clip isn't that impressive is pretty irrelevant, he could have gotten 0 kills and the crosshair movement would still look strange (and he's taimou, he's got plenty impressive clips that people could point to).
I personally don't think taimou is hacking, but I understand why people would come to that conclusion based off of this clip.
that bbg one was just preaiming the other side of market kekw
CLARA?! What the hell? CLARA??
This is already a golden classic and I must watch it at least once every year.
Every time forsaken gets mentioned, I literally want to cry man. What a freakin' loser...
I know cod esports doesn't get much attention but Owakening definitely could've made the list. Man got accused by half the cdl his first year, is the reason why pros have to use "sincerity cams" in the online season, and is still tearing it up as one of the best flex players in the league
6:27 he’s literally just flicking to the other angle they could be coming from and someone happened to be standing there through the wall lmao
Ik that’s what I was thinking. It’s just a helluva coincidence lol
Yes. Yet another instance of ninja being a crybaby
Yuuuuuuuuuuuup’
Lmao y’all believe anything
@@NVikTuh I feel like that is way more common in valorant than any other game I’ve played though it’s really odd lmao
much respect for flusha, the guy just gave one of his majors money to help Fallen and his teammates travel to the major that was going to happen (at 2016 I guess). They were starving and didn't have any money to go there, man has such a warm heart.
6:26 is so dumb, he's literally just putting his crosshair where the enemies head would be if they were peeking from the right. he may have heard something mid and looked where he would peek. it's a coincidence that an enemy is retreating in that general area
Ninja lost, he got salty, he complained, tournament organizers dq’ed them because ninja has money and influence. No tournament organizer with a brain would’ve actually thought they were cheating it was purely Ninja throwing a tantrum. If that clip was actually enough for anyone to think cheats then most csgo professionals would be long banned.
Well its ninja. What does he know? All ninja knows is fortnut
he is a fortnite player what do u expext
Yes. Forsaken do single handedly destroyed the entire eSports scenario of India back in those days. I used to play CS GO and I was mostly playing against Singapore players or sometimes with international teams and they started to call us the hacker team, taunting us for no reason and it really feels bad.
Love how Dan M keeps getting away with baiting this hard, people just bite on and keep watching
The Lesson We've Learned: Just because Dan M can't do it... doesn't meant its "InHuMan"
Valve: who needs vac when you have family
It's all about family mia
Being called a hacker when you're not hacking is the best compliment a gamer could get
What we do know, pengu is a child who cant accept losing.
every time i see an overwatch esports clip i get extremely confused
As an Indian, thank you for giving forsaken the intro he deserves
the first part where he says sus has so much meme potential
I always say... The best cheaters are the ones that don't get caught
What I learned today: You can't flick in a random direction because an enemy might be there
I didn't know there were actual cheaters in the video
Uh Forsaken hella cheated lmao.
I go accused of wall hacking in CSGO yesterday for hearing a guy running down banana on Inferno and throwing a flash and killing him so needless to say the team I was playing weren’t very intelligent
yup thats csgo for you
@@alfairsoft yep then the next game two of my teammates barely tried the whole time then my brother zeused one and got kicked then I got kicked even tho I was 2nd best on the team I hate solo queuing or queuing with only one other person it’s miserable
I mean cs is either you calling someone else a cheater or you getting called a cheater but there have been some really funny calls that make you laugh out loud! I recently got called a cheater when a guy killed my teammate in a when bomb is called b and I peaked the location to make sure we don’t get flanked. “Why would you peak a site when all my teammates are b? You much be wall hacking!”
@@shourya7846 yeah CS is my favorite game but it’s just so frustrating to play nowadays unless you’re in a 5 queue and even then yo I go up against some smurfs or cheaters that ruin the game
@@Topgglerd my friend headshot a guy in BF5 and dude won't stop calling him a cheater
Sucks that so many pros cheat or use “soft” cheats. Some tournaments seem like they’re just, “whoever can hide cheats the best and make it least obvious”.
Preeeeeetty sure they cheat a LOT less than you'd think.
@@iMeteox doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. You can even use examples of players hearing cheers and vibrations from fans that can give them an unfair advantage. And preeeety sure you’d be surprised at how many more pros cheat than you may think..
@@Skreebee There are, once again, VERY FEW instances of people using crowd cheers and reactions to gain information. There's the one moment where someone screamed "JANELA!" in the crowd (portugese for "window"), and another instance where a player hovered his crosshair above a typical wallbang spot and waited to hear the crowd scream to confirm his idea before firing.
I don't deny that it happens. I'm just saying that out of the hundreds of professional players and the thousands of matches we've seen, we can probably count software cheaters on the fingers of our hands. Sure, there are surely cheaters we haven't busted, but it's very likely that the majority of them have been exposed and sanctioned.
*Pro player gets shit on*
"Well they must be cheating"
Ninja has a history of calling cheaters and it being false
Bro Penta/G2 accuses everyone they lose to of cheating, I believe that pengu especially is one of the worst losers in esports history, the amount of people he's accused of cheating is insane
Well yh, because they are....
Slowly becoming my favorite channel
I feel like I've seen 90% of this video before 😂
Man the score just won’t let go the shaiiko vs penta beef lol they love that mans so much
No one will ever be able to convince me that Flusha hasn’t cheated. Dude has some insanely sus plays. Way too many of them if you ask me.
We have to give forsaken props tho, nobody in all of esports has ever chosen a name that was more apt, more descriptive about them or that foreshadows their future
Steel: "I think subroza is just fns who can aim" lol
You forgot the infamous Necros clip playing Genji, where he blindly aimlocked at a flying Pharah
would have been 100000x a better clip than they taimou one
wow, who knew that there's a guy at theScore whose arms aren't ragdolling.
XD
WAIT THE CRITICAL CLIP WAS SO FUNNY LMAOOOOO WTF. Bro he was literally switching his hold
The shaiiko banned was bs. Basically he one tapped pengu on the stage, pengu cried about it. To get him to suck it they checked their anti cheat and found that the '4' key was pressed at inhuman speeds. that key by default throws your drone, and looking at the logs it showed that a large portion of players competing showed the same key spam, including pengu. So it was a bug in their software and they pengu cried about it being recoil control, as if you could bind that or have it be reliable for each guns unique recoil pattern.
TLDR, Shaiiko didnt cheat, pengu's ego was just too strong
Here for my boy forsaken on thumbnail.
Danny: Sometimes someone hits a shot so insane it just feels like it can't be real
**shows a flusha clip**
Me: aight, seems legit i'mma watch this
Yeah, one of the least sus clips in the entire comp scene, its luck, thats it
Bruh i just watched most amazing top 10 then i see danny burke on this channel
Taimou will always be my favorite pro.
10:03 the aim correction so fast that I really thought for a moment that it's aimlock lol thank god there is a slow-mo
This actually convinced me cheating is rampant
The thing is Skadoodle had just killed his teammate and Subroza realized he was walking into his line of sight with his back turned
i have never thought Fallen cheated, i still dont, but youve gotta admit, that L shaped movement does look strange when its slowed down like that, i wouldnt call it evidence but for someone who is convinced everyone in csgo is cheating you can see why Dan picked it up and ran with it
yeah but if that's the case half the silvers are also cheating.
just take a look at any csgo silver game with an awp, hell if I hadn't deleted my csgo I could *probably* find something similar as I main awp
That L-shaped movement comes from the demo viewer. Replaying game recordings is accurate enough to show how the game was played, but for micro movements like aim, when slowed down, makes it look extremely robotical and fishy. It looks unnatural because it is unnatural - it's a live replay, server side, of what happened, not exactly what happened on his local machine.
@@stilldimm4110 If that was true, then there would be an insane amount of false bans from gold-mg players using overwatch. Use your brain next time.
There will always be 1 Legend "Sir Forsaken" kekw
It must be an honor to have another Professional Player call you a cheater. Unless it’s Pengu he accused three-four Professional Players of cheating.
I respect Pengu and what he did for Siege. But seriously he is one of the whiniest players outside of pro play, man always complains about something.
That last flush clip is the worst thing to consider as cheating, rather than pure luck.
Ngl, unconsciously looking like a cheater is very easy to befall upon to the point that even I am surprised at myself that i am not cheating, game sense really goes a long way to the point that it's like wall hacks
Forsaken is living rent free here.
Holy cow, Leaf literally left CS to go cheat in Valorant...
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lmao. he's young and to good for his age
@@veth-sama6834 ?
Literally just watched your piece on Senor VAC, refreshed my page and there's a NEW VID 😍
I agree with the guy like I’d say 70% of all the pros are currently cheating or have cheated not super blatant but I’d say they are definitely doing anything and everything they can to get an wdge
What rank are u
When people lose so badly, all of a sudden they're a professional at knowing what a cheater does and looks like.
It's pretty disgusting considering people even accused me in multiple games where I've gotten banned from such as CoD:MW/CoD:WZ, Rainbow Six Siege, Red Dead Redemption 2 Online, and even GTA Online. Like why can't we just play games and accept losing? Everyone always knit picks on the little things that wouldn't be considered a factor in cheating.
iirc taimou was so bad in owl he couldnt play hitscan because of his 'inconsistant aim' so went onto winston, so, not really. he wasnt *caught*, there were more clips, even from dirty bomb. we'll never know, but fanboys and further cant be honest about really wierd shit. old clips were truly fucked if you saw them
Taimou wasn't put onto Winston because of his aim. He was put onto Winston because they didn't really have a main tank, and he was their best option.
@@blazefactor6849 fair enough, the rest still stands though, including his 'inconsistant aim' im pretty sure
it's so odd to see only the pro's get accused, that's how good they are and here we are calling everyone hackers
shaiiko never cheated
Will you do a video on the last smash summit ? it was a blast seeing such an insane tournament after the online era
Love The representation for my country. Sweden nr1
Hey Danny, I recognise you from an old Top 5/10s channel and was curious what that channel was? I do prefer your work over here, you're doing a great job!
If you're still curious, MostAmazingTop10s
@@Zenshiii Thank you!!!
LOL Fallen doesn't belong here. the "L shape flick is impossible" Dan M says. He literally flicked right, then adjusted head level after he saw he was on him. Scout needs to be a HS for a 1 shot full hp kill (or no armor)
Also, aim bots move in a straight vector afaik. Havent heard of aimbots moving x and y axis one after another.
That L shape to me is prove of human movement rather then aimbot.
@@emojack the L shape happens in reviews a lot actually
@@sigibergmann9356 Demo Player?
Bro the Subroza cheating accusations are hilarious LMAO. Redditors are a different breed
Props for the ephixa pfp
Oh oh they said the s word 😳
You mean sussy?
Among us?
sussusamogus
The shaiko one was explained by one of his tm8s, it was his itil button and he spammed 4 while playing hibana to get it to deploy as quick as possible im pretty sure
*It's been a month and they probably have forgotten about me
them even after 3 years - haha we making hackers crying vid add forsaken in thumbnail
I'm only here for the Olof Boost
The flusha inferno clip isn't that bad, he was shooting at the guy close up, then his brain registered the guy further away and it drew his crosshair to him, then he snapped back from looking at the guy and shot the guy close. The movement between the two players were purely sub-conscious "luck".
Forsaken is that one guy to get kicked out in the first match after getting one kill
Danm ninja was a sore loser
This video has once again showed me Ninja is a jealous little child
Once again, theScore flagrantly misrepresents the shaiiko situation and with a painful lack of journalistic integrity
Wait this isn’t Reddit
Wait this isn’t Reddit
I think the clip at 4:56 is just pixel jumping, where the DPS of the mouse and the in-game sensitivity are very different and result in grid-snap movement when you zoom in. 3kliksphilip did a great video on it
kennys has alot of these clips but no one accuse him(ik his not cheating)
A hell lot of people did , watch kennys recent video on his story .
DUDE CRITICAL JUST CHECKING HIS ANGLES BRUH THAT TOURNEY IS BRAINDEAD LOL
word.exe done by a indian
later becomes a scammer in india
Imagine being kicked out of a tourney for watching right side for a split second lmao
How can someone cheat on LAN?
They can bring in their own mouse and keyboard so some people install software using that somehow
@Radars man kinda sad people would do that even at the highest level.
A few years back there have been multiple stories about players changing keyboard/mouse mid game, + the security was not good at all a few years ago at lans.
Fallen clip robotic "L" is just a replay shenanigan when you slow down a replay
Geguri was just a classic example of sexism tbh, though it seems a lot of these accusers bring others down on behalf of their own insecurities and jealousy.
Lol a whole video of people being accused of cheating and because a girl was accused it must have been sexist
Genius
@@studenheim8388 What kinda planet do you live on where there ISN'T exaggerated hostility towards female gamers for them not being men? Is it one where there actually is more than one active female pro per esports league?
@@studenheim8388 Considering that the entire asian region isn't exactly known for being progressive regarding gender equality (and yes even Japan is still shitty regarding it), and the absolutely autistic fury of most pro players, I wouldn't be surprised at all.
Accused of Cheating for Pre-Firing. Omegalul