I was just thinking the other day how the hell they pull out stuff like this (Justice's new singles, especially Generator and Incognito sound AMAZING). And then you put this video right after! Thank you so much for your work and efforts
30:10 a nice additional step would be modeling the reverb and placement of the synthetic elements to marry them further. Oxford reverb is my go to when I want to really dial in a room feel. But the right IR works just as well. I find the room sound/space can make or break a groove, especially when it comes to the hihats. It's also what gives real kicks a lot of their upper character and that low mid oomph that you alluded to.
Oh yeah definitely need to put the drums in a room! I think addictive drums already had some reverb - but like you said additional reverb could mary the electronic and acoustic further. I actually don’t have a single Oxford plugin but I’ve heard great things about
@@astrobearmusic1977 yeah, they're solid but pricey. If I could only pick one it'd be their reverb because of its level of control. That said, Glaceverb is a free and very powerful option that gets close. It uses residual vector modulation, whatever that means, lol. I actually reach for it more than any other reverb because of how good it is. You ever check out Voxengo plugins, btw? I think it's a crime that there's not a proper review of Soniformer on YT.
Man, I'm really glad to have found your channel. I'm tumbling down the rabbit hole with synth tutorials and reviews and your presentation is a breath of fresh air amidst all the noise. Very easy to follow, well-planned out, and the proof is in the pudding. Keep up the great work! Also, top 3 fav artists? top 3 fav songs?
Thanks again Mark! For electronic music I would say three songs I can listen to over and over again: Moth - Burial, Four Tet Luxuria - Tinlicker, Deadmau5 When we’re alone - Ben Bohmer And artists that I really respect their approach to making electronic music: Noisia Stephan Bodzin Tipper That was probably the hardest question I’ve got here haha. So now you have to go next!
@@astrobearmusic1977 These are great! Burial, Four Tet, and Tipper have lived on my ipod from the start. My actual favorites are more classical: Metamorphosen - Richard Strauss (renditions vary greatly. but listen to a proper recording for CD) Nocturne no. 20 in C# minor - Chopin (Hard to pick a favorite Chopin piece, really. But I grew up hearing my mom play him, so it's probably my biggest influence.) Happiness - Josni & Alex (a bit more modern) Favorite non-classical: Tewe - Autechre Bloody Palms - Phantogram Spring / Sun / Winter / Dread - Everything Everything (whole album is fantastic, hard to pick a favorite, but this is the earworm of the bunch for me) Favorite artists: Shigeto Boards of Canada Deru (definitely check this guy's sound design out) This was a lot harder than I thought, haha. Ate up a good chunk of my morning but it's good to revisit and reconsider what one's favorites actually are. I often think about this in relation to how my music differs from my favorite stuff... ideally, one's favorite music would be their own... right? I think that's the core struggle of creation - finding the ideal form in the possibility-space. Our inspiration is necessarily set in stone and published, but our own work always somehow falls short of our striving, failing to land on that exact point in the ether. A lot of the time making music is a matter of accidentally stumbling upon the inspiration, or doodling with sound design until is "asks" to be taken in a particular direction - starting from the base of the possibility tree. But other times you're drawn directly to the fruit and it all falls into place.
I am confused as to what this had specifically to do with the "French Touch" sound. I am pretty positive Justice, SebastiAn and Oizo are not synthesizing their electronic stuff from the ground up to work with the breaks and samples they lift and chop. It's far more crude than that. That whole sound is based around the quirks of one compressor and how it reacted to kickdrums being fed too loud to it. They might not use that compressor anymore, granted, but its sonic fingerprint is engrained in their methodology and they've found ways at getting variations of the same sort of highly pressurised but paradoxically dynamic sound they are known for ITB with their respective stock DAW stuff(Logic and Cubase mostly) It's a cool tutorial, but it doesn't have much of anything to do with any classical techniques you mentioned. I am not surprised that a producer of Steely Dan's would take credit for something that probably happened long before Steely Dan existed😂 triggering drum machines with acoustic tracks was an invention of Giorgio Moroder and Italo Disco music as a whole. You can also find a lot of examples of it in Eastern European and European Funk, Disco, Space Disco music before it ever showed up in any examples in the West. I think even synth funk bands like Mtume and arrangers like Dexter Wansel were doing this long before Steely Dan too with bands like MFSB.
Yeah Justice and Daft punk were just the inspiration for the style of kit. I know my workflow is very different than theirs. Yeah when I was researching the history Roger Nicols from Steely Dan shows up. Perhaps he wasn’t the first producer to do it, but just the first to take credit for it - not sure.
@@astrobearmusic1977fair enough. The title threw me off a bit is all. Interesting content either way. I'm a subscriber, and i pretty much don't subscribe to anybody these days to do with music production as its all quite frankly a mixture of; regurgitations and clickbait garbage. Lookin forward to the next vid👍
@@TheJohnsofDoes Yeah in retrospect it was misleading. If it were a an actual tutorial on how daft punk did things it would be a lot different workflow. I tried to change the title to just say its drums from “scratch” in the style of daft punk/justice. But then again I am not recording the acoustic drums from scratch so I hope I don’t mislead someone in a different way now. Titles are hard!
I was just thinking the other day how the hell they pull out stuff like this (Justice's new singles, especially Generator and Incognito sound AMAZING). And then you put this video right after! Thank you so much for your work and efforts
I totally agree, I was blown away by Justice’s recent work and it just gets me so inspired to make music.
Fantastic video. Thank you for sharing these wonderful drum synthesis techniques! I learned a lot.
Thanks for watching Thomas!
@@astrobearmusic1977 I'm starting to think I'll need to buy phase plant...
exceptional video!
Thanks Dash!
So many nuggets of pure gold, Mr Bear..........pure..........gold........... :)
Haha you are too kind. But thanks I really appreciate it!
30:10 a nice additional step would be modeling the reverb and placement of the synthetic elements to marry them further. Oxford reverb is my go to when I want to really dial in a room feel. But the right IR works just as well. I find the room sound/space can make or break a groove, especially when it comes to the hihats. It's also what gives real kicks a lot of their upper character and that low mid oomph that you alluded to.
Oh yeah definitely need to put the drums in a room! I think addictive drums already had some reverb - but like you said additional reverb could mary the electronic and acoustic further. I actually don’t have a single Oxford plugin but I’ve heard great things about
@@astrobearmusic1977 yeah, they're solid but pricey. If I could only pick one it'd be their reverb because of its level of control. That said, Glaceverb is a free and very powerful option that gets close. It uses residual vector modulation, whatever that means, lol. I actually reach for it more than any other reverb because of how good it is.
You ever check out Voxengo plugins, btw? I think it's a crime that there's not a proper review of Soniformer on YT.
Would love more videos explaining drum synthesis in serum. Watching you breakdown how to model real sounds is mind blowing.
Thanks for the feedback, I’ll make sure to use serum more in the future!
Man, I'm really glad to have found your channel. I'm tumbling down the rabbit hole with synth tutorials and reviews and your presentation is a breath of fresh air amidst all the noise. Very easy to follow, well-planned out, and the proof is in the pudding. Keep up the great work!
Also, top 3 fav artists? top 3 fav songs?
Thanks again Mark!
For electronic music I would say three songs I can listen to over and over again:
Moth - Burial, Four Tet
Luxuria - Tinlicker, Deadmau5
When we’re alone - Ben Bohmer
And artists that I really respect their approach to making electronic music:
Noisia
Stephan Bodzin
Tipper
That was probably the hardest question I’ve got here haha. So now you have to go next!
@@astrobearmusic1977 These are great! Burial, Four Tet, and Tipper have lived on my ipod from the start.
My actual favorites are more classical:
Metamorphosen - Richard Strauss (renditions vary greatly. but listen to a proper recording for CD)
Nocturne no. 20 in C# minor - Chopin (Hard to pick a favorite Chopin piece, really. But I grew up hearing my mom play him, so it's probably my biggest influence.)
Happiness - Josni & Alex (a bit more modern)
Favorite non-classical:
Tewe - Autechre
Bloody Palms - Phantogram
Spring / Sun / Winter / Dread - Everything Everything (whole album is fantastic, hard to pick a favorite, but this is the earworm of the bunch for me)
Favorite artists:
Shigeto
Boards of Canada
Deru (definitely check this guy's sound design out)
This was a lot harder than I thought, haha. Ate up a good chunk of my morning but it's good to revisit and reconsider what one's favorites actually are.
I often think about this in relation to how my music differs from my favorite stuff... ideally, one's favorite music would be their own... right? I think that's the core struggle of creation - finding the ideal form in the possibility-space. Our inspiration is necessarily set in stone and published, but our own work always somehow falls short of our striving, failing to land on that exact point in the ether.
A lot of the time making music is a matter of accidentally stumbling upon the inspiration, or doodling with sound design until is "asks" to be taken in a particular direction - starting from the base of the possibility tree. But other times you're drawn directly to the fruit and it all falls into place.
@@markwincek6688 those are really awesome influences you have. Would love to hear your music sometime!
I am confused as to what this had specifically to do with the "French Touch" sound. I am pretty positive Justice, SebastiAn and Oizo are not synthesizing their electronic stuff from the ground up to work with the breaks and samples they lift and chop. It's far more crude than that. That whole sound is based around the quirks of one compressor and how it reacted to kickdrums being fed too loud to it. They might not use that compressor anymore, granted, but its sonic fingerprint is engrained in their methodology and they've found ways at getting variations of the same sort of highly pressurised but paradoxically dynamic sound they are known for ITB with their respective stock DAW stuff(Logic and Cubase mostly)
It's a cool tutorial, but it doesn't have much of anything to do with any classical techniques you mentioned.
I am not surprised that a producer of Steely Dan's would take credit for something that probably happened long before Steely Dan existed😂 triggering drum machines with acoustic tracks was an invention of Giorgio Moroder and Italo Disco music as a whole. You can also find a lot of examples of it in Eastern European and European Funk, Disco, Space Disco music before it ever showed up in any examples in the West. I think even synth funk bands like Mtume and arrangers like Dexter Wansel were doing this long before Steely Dan too with bands like MFSB.
Yeah Justice and Daft punk were just the inspiration for the style of kit. I know my workflow is very different than theirs.
Yeah when I was researching the history Roger Nicols from Steely Dan shows up. Perhaps he wasn’t the first producer to do it, but just the first to take credit for it - not sure.
@@astrobearmusic1977fair enough. The title threw me off a bit is all. Interesting content either way. I'm a subscriber, and i pretty much don't subscribe to anybody these days to do with music production as its all quite frankly a mixture of; regurgitations and clickbait garbage. Lookin forward to the next vid👍
@@TheJohnsofDoes Yeah in retrospect it was misleading. If it were a an actual tutorial on how daft punk did things it would be a lot different workflow. I tried to change the title to just say its drums from “scratch” in the style of daft punk/justice. But then again I am not recording the acoustic drums from scratch so I hope I don’t mislead someone in a different way now. Titles are hard!
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