I have two neighbors, older dudes. Neither of them just can't resist the sound of chainsaw. It's like a mating call or something to them. If I sometimes saw some firewood at my backyard it will take no more than 20 minutes max when both of them start their saws at their backyards.
I recon that's a typical case of "Have work to do but don't want to disturb the neighbors" it only takes one guy on a sunday with nice weather to make some noise and the whole neighborhood be up and about doing their work :D
For limbs that small I would use the Stihl GTA26. A "great" little saw with a 4" bar. I've had mine for a couple years now, and have cut almost 2 cords of small limbs for firewood. It will cut more than 4" with a double cut, and not think twice about it. Finally changed the first chain out last week from all that cutting. Thought that the lack of an oiler would be a problem, but I'm glad it runs dry. The saw stays clean and I can clean it out with an old toothbrush. Just dribble on some of the "special oil" that comes with it on the chain before you put it away. They even have a "holster" for it now that fits on your belt. Would get one, but I'm left handed and that make it awkward to carry. It doesn't have a "holder ring" on it, but you could epoxy on one for a lanyard.
That was far better than the cheap cord powered chain saw I bought from Lowes years back. The work I needed it to do was far from heavy duty and it couldn't handle even that. For someone who doesn't do what you do for a living I was pretty impressed with how well that Stihl cut. Thanks for the demonstration.
I still have my hand saw from 20 years ago. Never did I go up a tree without it. I paid well over 100 for mine back then and it is still a beast. Not sure what a good cost today. Side note, the only ones I ever seen complain about them were using really cheap ones.
I have been an arborist for 35 years and that saw is actually pretty impressive, I would have thought the battery would have died long before it did. I could use that for sure, do lot's of just trim's and small removals like that would love to be able to start work earlier in the morning and not break the noise ordinance.
I looked at the Stihl battery saws, way over priced and were not rated that good by most reviewers. I just bought a Dewalt 60 volt brushless and love it. Very pleased with it's ability so far. Bought it after reading lots of reviews and watching UA-cam videos and it seemed to be the top rated battery saw available today. Another added benefit, I can use the 60v battery in my 20v Dewalt tools as it is backwards compatible with the 20v systems. It automatically switches to 20v when used in a 20v tool but gives you three times the run time. So since I have a dozen or so Dewalt 20v tools it was an added bonus.
One HUGE difference with an electric saw is it has 100% torque from a standstill, meaning when the chain is already in contact with the wood at a stop, you can hit the throttle and dig right in. With a gas saw it won't move until you take it off the wood. I was also a heavy handsaw user. By the time the chainsaw was started I'd already have it cut with a handsaw on those small limbs. Used less energy too.
I work at the stihl plant in Virginia . Thanks for the review on the battery saw. I 100% agree with you. that saw is made fore pruning and little trees around the house.
Good stuff August. I also appreciate you climbing twice to set the camera. And thank you for giving props to the handsaw. It really is an invaluable tool every climber should have and know how to use. I'm sure the electric saw has it's place but, it ain't something I'm gonna run out and buy. Thank you for the time and effort to give it an honest review. Keep yourself safe brother. Randy
So funny August you was working that electric saw like a hands saw on very first cut lol. I almost died. Its like the lack of noise had you confused or something. Love ya guy.
I have a stihl msa120 for pruning and small removals in dense urban areas. Done about 30 removals with it and I don't hesitate to start just a little earlier than my local noise ordinance would allow for a gas saw. I can bike with it slung over my shoulder with climbing gear in paneer bags. If I had to haul gas around it'd be a bit too much for the bike. The looks on people's faces can be pretty entertaining. Maybe I'm one of those people you're talking about with a personality defect :) You covered the drawbacks well. I'd recommend it to homeowners and hobbyists, particularly for carving. One plus (I guess) that I didn't see mentioned in comments is that it can be a very approachable saw for teaching a newbie. I've taught several of my younger friends saw basics with it, and a gas saw would've definitely been more intimidating for those that have rarely used power tools.
Could not imagine a construction project without a battery powered tools, they are so handy. It is only a matter of time when electricity is the main power supply for arborist work. No toxic fumes, very cheap to operate, no gasoline required... healthier and energy efficient option.
Tools & Timber maybe some day, but until then, productivity and safety will be guarded by having to spend less time aloft using a saw that gets it done in a fraction of the time.
August Hunicke Agree. I have stihl -261 and Makita electric. Sometimes choose the electric, but normally go with the Stihl, but as it makes such a noise, would not run in on Sundays 🙂
Tools & Timber Yeah, stop and smell the roses type thing, there is a time for it. I wish I had remained diplomacy through the video. I’m a bit too driven maybe. I would probably be even worse if I had spent money on it.
I'm glad you did this video because I was looking at that saw recently and thought it would perform better. Have a good night bud, I appreciate the knowledge you share with everyone.
Challenging personality........... I like that. Have one of those neighbors also. Called them much worse than that. Electric stuff in general has more torque right out of the hole so to speak so it should do pretty good. Looks like it anyhow. I was waiting on you to try and start it.
I was, so disappointed, I do this for a living, they are different for sure, I had an old man that threated the neighbor over her tree, I thought he was going to have a stroke
The whole thing about the neighbor reminded me of a service call I did not to long ago, a guy in a rather troublesome trailer park called me to change a starter in his vehicle , I setup shop onsite as usual ,have my truck parked out of the road in a small patch of grass as he recommended and a lady from the trailer next door came out almost immediately raising all kinda of hell and cussing over the noise of my battery impact driver I'm like...ok, then a while later I got back with the new starter parked in the same place and a lady across the street apparently backs her suburban into this guy's damn yard to leave her house I suppose because she called me everything but santa clause for being parked there as she attempted to take 180 yards to back up into the street, later when I was done the guy asked if I ran into any problems I said none other than your wonderful loving neighbors,he rolled his eyes laughed and said and I quote" yeah I think this place is government housing for psycho cunt$" then as I was leaving the trailer park some jackass kid slung his skateboard infront of my truck intentionally I'm like yeah I have to get out of here before future history books have to compare me to Charles Manson.
We tryed out both batterie brands when getting ready to do a big hospital job where quite was most important and found that the husqvarna far more powerful and felt more like a normal topper to use, yes its no high power chogging saw but even for medium sized branches its brilliant and having got a 7.5st female apprentice it's brilliant to teach with being so light. Looking forward to seeing a comparison between this saw and the little echo when it comes back 👍
"Who would subject themselves to that kind of slowness?" .... regulations? Reg Coates has a video(s) where he is using a Husqvarna battery chainsaw.... and it seems his was cutting a lot better than that one.... but maybe it was the type of tree. * Thanks for climbing the tree twice for youtubers!
Yeah, this looked painful.. but we have two battery power Huskys at work and they fly through the wood. Not like a 200t or t540 But its pretty comparable to an ms193 or an old 338xp
One huge difference between gas and electric is the torque from a standstill. You can touch the wood with the electric and it has enough torque to get moving. A gas saw has to get moving before you get into the wood. That's a big plus when making delicate pruning cuts. Did you notice that at the end of your big cuts when it would pinch, where a gas saw would always bind, this one would just pull on out. I always used my handsaw extensively. On smaller cuts it was usually faster, just as you proved in this video.
So utily worker here, The milwaukee 16 inch has beaten the stIHL 160 gasser as well as most battery saws on heavy creosote wood poles. day in and out. Even heavily treated green Poles. But its definitely not a tree saw for arborists because of it needing 2 hands for pruning and being a tad long in design as well. Just two cents of nothing... I dont do tree work however statistically there have been more left handed injuries since the advent of the one handed saw, BE safe...!! SMART AWARE FOCUSSED EQUIPPED>. I like your vids and commentary.
These saws aren't meant to be used one-handed, really. They're meant for work up in the tree, so they're smaller, but they still have two handles for two hands, it's just easier to use one hand. My boss used to yell at me for even thinking about using one hand. August is his own boss, he's not gonna yell at himself and he's been doing this forever, but technically he's doing it "wrong". I trust him to do ok but I wouldn't let a newbie do that.
when will the oak man and euc man work together. I think Buckin' more of a euc man. I don't know if it's all in the filing will work here I just don't think it will work in this case. Suddenly a McCulloch 200 seem real fast and powerful
The whole battery chainsaw technology is still in its infancy, so wait a year or two and they may be adequate. They've made chains that require less energy and batteries with more power and more efficient motors.
Evening August imma sending my 020T to the chainsaw king asked him to do what he did to yours sometime in March! Thanks gin for the content and being you have a happy!
I use mine on a 10" bar for just pruning work only. It is quicker than a 200t for these jobs as you don't have to start the saw each time. It does have its problems but I do love it. We have smaller trees in the UK too as well :-)
Great video, you are still young strong and in your prime trust me years fly past, when your young you just want to kick on because money is your motivation as it was for myself.Back in the day we did not have the choice of equipment that is available today I would have given my right arm for T200 top saw back then.I recently sold mine to a young lad who kept pestering me for it as for the last 3o yrs I have done very little tree work as I switched to construction work as the money was far better back then. The cold,rain,frost,snow, has taken its toll athritus bad knees elbows back,,, ,the guy that said hard work never hurt no one? NEVER did any !! Hence I'm an old duffer now but I'm moving and I had a huge leylandi in my garden and dident want it to crab the sale of my house,my friend has got a sthil battery saw and he's never stops banging on about how good it is and as I couldn't fell the tree because of where it was situated I was forced to climb it. The saw was not a top saw but it was a sthil battery saw what a brilliant bit of kit I liked it so much I'm buying one, one battery got me down till the the tree was about 14 inches in diameter then I had to break out the petrol saw and finish the job as like you I was getting impatient as the battery saw was struggling.Battery saw was great for me and not to be underestimated it would have it's uses for you I'm sure in the domestic market but as they say times money !!
Great as always August. The thing i like most about the MSA 160 is not needing to put on your ear protectors. Down side of working electric is to have the reflex to always put on the chain guard... With a petrol powered chainsaw you hear it running and seem to be more aware of the danger it has (if this makes any sense :)).
Great vid, I have a Gomboy we use it for camping here in Oz. Great saws Silky, Japanese manufacturing at its' finest I reckon. I like your safety process too. The battery operated chainsaw is a little ripper, I've used one very surprised how good they really are although it was hardwood.
I tried for years to get a 160t. I gave up and bought a husq version, Seems I use the dewalt more often for light climbing/topping and its 1/4 the price and generic batteries are on amazon super cheap.I also like my 56volt ego 16 inch saw... works great after getting rid of the narrow kerf and getting a normal bar and chain. A little slower chain-speed but tons of torque.
Off-topic but important: August has been climbing since the dinosaurs and he knows what he wants, but if you're a beginner, don't climb a tree with yer rope set like he has it for the first half. The little branch he's looped around will carry his static weight, but if he fell any distance, he'd probably keep on going once the rope hit the branch and hauled it right off. He's prolly not gonna fall, but if you're a beginner, don't you go taking that chance. I climbed for two years and I'd only use that branch to get me up if I had to, and never to work off of.
Ive cut a few trees in my time, but never for living. That said early last year a lot of small trees and huge hedge had to heavily cut back in a small residential car park, that just happens to be right outside my window. I wasn't looking forward to noise and mess that it would cause. To my surprise the the man doing the job used the very first battery saw I had seen, the very one you just showed, it seems to work very well for him, he had just two batteries and the saw and a hedge trimmer, battery charges in his truck. In a cramped residential are like this battery is the way to go. No point in pissing the neighbours off, not when there are likely around 10 or more ready to make your life impossible anyway.
Naw I don't prune enough trees to buy that. I am the removal tree guy here. I have to have my gas saw and power to deal with all these hard woods here. Love the video buddy. And monkey beaver crew 💪
The Truckin Tree Guy if you want it centered then you can just relieve some of the adhesive in the middle of the mount to accommodate that ridge line on the protos. My mount is customized flattened pvc epoxied on, to create a flat purchase point for the GP mount.
Laws in spain ban petrol machines during dry season due to fire hazards. I think they have been designed for that sort of environment. May-Oct is the non petrol powered machines where I live
My 2cents... seems Electric saw don’t want to start spinning under load. They need to spin up just like 2 tenths of a second. It takes a bit to get used to not shoving it in a cut and keep hitting the trigger expecting a gas engines low end torque. Once full throttle in a cut you can’t let off or push hard. If you stall it you have to back off a bit trigger it then cut again.
when i bought my MS193T the saw dealer gave me the same 2018 commemorative Stihl hat you"re wearing...so I must be moving up in the chain saw hierarchy , LOL
I tried one of these saws out on a reduction it's nice and light and it worked really well for that kind of pruning but I wouldn't bother with it on a dismantle job.
Just came home from unlocking four storm-blow trees that were locked together like a teepee. It was extremely dicey, and I can't even imagine using a battery powered saw for that. Indoor chainsaw carving, on the other hand....🤔😊😎👍👌
Lately we've just been doing a ton of clean up and upsweep + ball moss removal on a lot of oak. Been thinking about getting a little husky cordless to carry around with me. 90% of the stuff ive been cutting is the size of my wrist nothing larger than my forearm. Ive been going all day on the same tank of gas
Been in the businesses since 81. never been seriously hurt . There is no way I would climb into into a cotton wood with this small diameter. I would never go above a 5 inch trunk. Don't want to see you die. I am in grants pass I have been sending many referrals to you in the last 3 years . I am scaling down.I have owned tim's tree service here in grants pass, since 1985. I look at every job, but time has made aware of my limitations. I am specialising in pruning now, I have 2 bucket trucks. These have kept me in business longer. I learned pruning from working in a nursery Owned by japanese americans. I worked with them for 4 years. They our our better half! I am 63 years old and like pruning. My favorite jobs are fruit tree pruning and ornamental shade tree pruning.
I've found good chain tension to be paramount in how these electric saws cut...hate the way they feel going through the wood like more bouncy than gas power and makes me want to always use two hands. Plus when the battery drops near half charge it hates to do thick cuts.
I had a mini mac 10 that was the loudest little saw I ever owned! That was the best advertising i ever had. The 1st stump I ever had ground had a straight pipe exhaust. I had an extra muffler in my garage that I offered the old gentleman. He said no thanks, that’s advertising. After that I made sure all the neighbors could hear me work. Your the best! Thanks for your videos. Been over 15 years since I’ve been up a tree. I miss the view. And being just that much closer to God.
Also insider information has it that this version of the saw will not be sold -ever - in the US - because it actually is unsafe. The US is to litigious for this saw to survive here. Stihl also admitted that it is underpowered.
It looks to cut about on par with my Husky Batt Saw, maybe a tad slower. I don't think the electric motors do well when the chain catches in wood and comes to a stop. Maybe that's why I have to let off the trigger break it free and then get back on the trigger - to keep from frying electronics. (???) I like to use mine when working before or after reasonable/legal work times. Also for trimming trees and hedges with a lot of 3 or 4 inch cuts and less. If I'm trimming a tree that has more than a couple of 6 inch cuts I would rather use my gas saw usually. The other place batt saws rock is when doing tons of cuts. Stop position, cut, stop position, cut - no pull starting. I took down eleven Sequoia Giganteas (a couple 4.5 feet dia and 8 inch limbs) next to a house. Speed lined and batt saw for about 2/3 of all the limbs. (MB speed line kit obviously. :) )
My Silky and an MSA 200 are my go to choices for Sat and Sun mornings before 9:30-10:00. You should give the 200 a try (with a nicer chain maybe) before totally writing them off. You might think it cuts into production but so does your groundies trying to calm down angry neighbors. Some days its also nice to not smell like 2 cycle exhaust.
i own a large garden and my mother has a small woodland area. i bought the full battery range, blower strimmer hedge cutter and chainsaw. i went with the slightly better model that this one. Anyway i want to say i would never ever ever go back to petrol. these things a amazing.
August, I’m loving what you are doing on your channel and wanted to share a thought on the battery powered Stihl msa 160 t saw. It would seem that a normal set of cutting teeth on the little saw might work better if they were square ground as opposed to normal chain saw angled profile. I feel it might offer less strain on the motor and thus give a faster cut. Also, based on a dirt bike technique, could you load up the chain itself with a wet type of graphite such as “Dry-Slide” or something similar to see if it would help the little saw.
Thanks for the review August. I have a 536 li xp from the other guys and I must admit I love it. Definitely is a time and place saw and there is a learning curve to cutting with it. However, in a timed cut you need to add in the starting of the 200t to the total time so is it that much faster? Ever taken 3, 4 or 5 SOB pulls on it in a less then ideal position while pruning? Thought so...give the little guy a chance
I had my gas saw on my belt last year. I heard it idle down and quit. I was amazed how mad I was listening to it quit. I guess because I had to start it again.
Sorry to say but I think you are completely and utterly missing the point of these saws. They are only used for pruning not dismantling . no point in comparing them to a 200T. The only thing they got in common is the colour. They are ideal for light pruning anything up to 4 to 5 inches other than that get the petrol one out... Thought you would’ve realised that August before you purchased it.😬😬🤔🤭 Really enjoy your videos 👍🏻
Our company bought us a stihl battery tsaw and rear handle for doing night works in brisbane. That sound of the chain going haunts my nightmares after doing big removals with it. haha
ultra farmer LOL, I’ll bet. I’ve gotten more insight (things I hadn’t considered) from the comment section of this video than any of my past vids that I can think of.
Cheers for the reply mate. Dont think im knocking them completely they're a specialty tool for jobs that are noise sensitive. Never gonna live up to the mighty 200t.
Decent review, I don't know cottonwoods, but we have poplar. It's an interesting grain. It was quiet :) I think you will like your new baby Echo, I punished mine in an 80' Dead spruce and it impressed me. Nothing is a 200T though. Be Well
For that, the 200 version might be better... stronger, AND available in North America😉...and for those on horseback, it might sheath nicer, better balanced, and less knocking on the pony🐴
August, that saw was clearly pinching in the cut. It is a smaller width bar and chain so it will jam up more and it is likely that you need to adapt to the different style of saw and its use. I have both battery and petrol saws and I use them where they are best suited,
I’m not a production climber but I’ve been running the husqvarna t536lixp and it runs nearly equal to my t012. I’m a stihl guy but I’ve used the little husqvarna up two 12in wild cherry, 14in oak. Also keep in mind your running a hot rod 200... the msa160=012av in my humble opinion it’s the t536lixp is close to the stock 201t I use now... apples to oranges and monkey beaver likes his orange juice because it’s saw king enriched in goodness? Great video
I was a stihl person until I got my hands on a Mcculloch Mac Mini 35. For only 32cc the saw can handle almost anything you throw at it. Though it isn't quiet. It is loud, very loud. It doesn't really have a muffler, it has what is called a power-stack, it basically is just an exhaust re-director. It is also very light. For a top handle all metal saw from the mid 70's at about 10lb. it makes a great trail maintenance saw. Burying the blade in oak, you have to push pretty hard to bog it down with a non-safety chain hand filed.
That Barbie saw sucks. And it sounds awful. I love my little 151 TC. That little motor rips through anything I can throw at it. And it is not that noisy.
*This saw costs $349 for the chainsaw alone. It's a further $269 for the battery and $54 for the charger for a grand total of $672 before taxes. I'd rather go with the 2020 194T for $360 total.*
EducatedClimber tried that. Couldn’t undo my years of seeking out the cross draw. And it snagged everywhere. This dangle config sucks tho to cause I gave away the vault biner that I usually keep the hand saw on.
Yeah, took me a while to get used to it too. I keep mine on my right leg and I'm able to pop the handsaw back in there almost as fast as you can stow your tophandle away! Keep it up brother, you're doing a hell of a job! - Patrick
The Echo saw weighs a bit more in exchange for more power and more cuts. Better price too. Two stud bar retention system with scrinch stow in handle; durable and practical.
I have two neighbors, older dudes. Neither of them just can't resist the sound of chainsaw. It's like a mating call or something to them. If I sometimes saw some firewood at my backyard it will take no more than 20 minutes max when both of them start their saws at their backyards.
lmao
I recon that's a typical case of "Have work to do but don't want to disturb the neighbors"
it only takes one guy on a sunday with nice weather to make some noise and the whole neighborhood be up and about doing their work :D
@@nathanwest2304 it's Sunday my friend!
Came to check out the power.. left more impressed with the hand saw..👍
Ellio Pizza lol
Haha me too
that handsaw is amazing unless this is the lightest wood known to man
Me too
Japanese blades are the best.
For limbs that small I would use the Stihl GTA26. A "great" little saw with a 4" bar. I've had mine for a couple years now, and have cut almost 2 cords of small limbs for firewood. It will cut more than 4" with a double cut, and not think twice about it. Finally changed the first chain out last week from all that cutting. Thought that the lack of an oiler would be a problem, but I'm glad it runs dry. The saw stays clean and I can clean it out with an old toothbrush. Just dribble on some of the "special oil" that comes with it on the chain before you put it away. They even have a "holster" for it now that fits on your belt. Would get one, but I'm left handed and that make it awkward to carry. It doesn't have a "holder ring" on it, but you could epoxy on one for a lanyard.
That was far better than the cheap cord powered chain saw I bought from Lowes years back. The work I needed it to do was far from heavy duty and it couldn't handle even that. For someone who doesn't do what you do for a living I was pretty impressed with how well that Stihl cut. Thanks for the demonstration.
What a nice guy !
Need more professionals like yourself. Stumbled across your channel and I I'm enjoying the content Sir. ✌
I still have my hand saw from 20 years ago. Never did I go up a tree without it. I paid well over 100 for mine back then and it is still a beast. Not sure what a good cost today. Side note, the only ones I ever seen complain about them were using really cheap ones.
I have been an arborist for 35 years and that saw is actually pretty impressive, I would have thought the battery would have died long before it did. I could use that for sure, do lot's of just trim's and small removals like that would love to be able to start work earlier in the morning and not break the noise ordinance.
I looked at the Stihl battery saws, way over priced and were not rated that good by most reviewers. I just bought a Dewalt 60 volt brushless and love it. Very pleased with it's ability so far. Bought it after reading lots of reviews and watching UA-cam videos and it seemed to be the top rated battery saw available today. Another added benefit, I can use the 60v battery in my 20v Dewalt tools as it is backwards compatible with the 20v systems. It automatically switches to 20v when used in a 20v tool but gives you three times the run time. So since I have a dozen or so Dewalt 20v tools it was an added bonus.
One HUGE difference with an electric saw is it has 100% torque from a standstill, meaning when the chain is already in contact with the wood at a stop, you can hit the throttle and dig right in. With a gas saw it won't move until you take it off the wood. I was also a heavy handsaw user. By the time the chainsaw was started I'd already have it cut with a handsaw on those small limbs. Used less energy too.
I work at the stihl plant in Virginia . Thanks for the review on the battery saw. I 100% agree with you. that saw is made fore pruning and little trees around the house.
Dominick Bravo yo stihl battery power is shit mate u need to go bk to the drawing board
Good stuff August.
I also appreciate you climbing twice to set the camera.
And thank you for giving props to the handsaw. It really is
an invaluable tool every climber should have and know how
to use.
I'm sure the electric saw has it's place but, it ain't something
I'm gonna run out and buy. Thank you for the time and effort to
give it an honest review.
Keep yourself safe brother.
Randy
So funny August you was working that electric saw like a hands saw on very first cut lol. I almost died. Its like the lack of noise had you confused or something. Love ya guy.
I have a stihl msa120 for pruning and small removals in dense urban areas. Done about 30 removals with it and I don't hesitate to start just a little earlier than my local noise ordinance would allow for a gas saw. I can bike with it slung over my shoulder with climbing gear in paneer bags. If I had to haul gas around it'd be a bit too much for the bike. The looks on people's faces can be pretty entertaining. Maybe I'm one of those people you're talking about with a personality defect :)
You covered the drawbacks well. I'd recommend it to homeowners and hobbyists, particularly for carving. One plus (I guess) that I didn't see mentioned in comments is that it can be a very approachable saw for teaching a newbie. I've taught several of my younger friends saw basics with it, and a gas saw would've definitely been more intimidating for those that have rarely used power tools.
I've been doing tree work for 16 years, I love it. Definitely love your videos. Stay safe out there August
Could not imagine a construction project without a battery powered tools, they are so handy. It is only a matter of time when electricity is the main power supply for arborist work. No toxic fumes, very cheap to operate, no gasoline required... healthier and energy efficient option.
Tools & Timber maybe some day, but until then, productivity and safety will be guarded by having to spend less time aloft using a saw that gets it done in a fraction of the time.
August Hunicke Agree. I have stihl -261 and Makita electric. Sometimes choose the electric, but normally go with the Stihl, but as it makes such a noise, would not run in on Sundays 🙂
Tools & Timber Yeah, stop and smell the roses type thing, there is a time for it. I wish I had remained diplomacy through the video. I’m a bit too driven maybe. I would probably be even worse if I had spent money on it.
August Hunicke 🙂 thanks for your honest videos. Like the humble style.
laser, right?
I'm glad you did this video because I was looking at that saw recently and thought it would perform better. Have a good night bud, I appreciate the knowledge you share with everyone.
WATCHING AUGUST WITHOUT HIS 200T IS LIKE WATCHING BATMAN WITHOUT ROBIN 🌲🌳😱🤘🏻❤️🇬🇧
Challenging personality........... I like that. Have one of those neighbors also. Called them much worse than that. Electric stuff in general has more torque right out of the hole so to speak so it should do pretty good. Looks like it anyhow. I was waiting on you to try and start it.
You have skills. I am impressed! Thanks for posting.
Was anyone else looking forward to the troublesome neighbor coming out
Oh yea. I was. disappointed when no complaining neighbor came on the site. They could have at least provoked um a little.
I would loved to have seen August Deal with him, to witness his finesse. ;)
I was, so disappointed, I do this for a living, they are different for sure, I had an old man that threated the neighbor over her tree, I thought he was going to have a stroke
The whole thing about the neighbor reminded me of a service call I did not to long ago, a guy in a rather troublesome trailer park called me to change a starter in his vehicle , I setup shop onsite as usual ,have my truck parked out of the road in a small patch of grass as he recommended and a lady from the trailer next door came out almost immediately raising all kinda of hell and cussing over the noise of my battery impact driver I'm like...ok, then a while later I got back with the new starter parked in the same place and a lady across the street apparently backs her suburban into this guy's damn yard to leave her house I suppose because she called me everything but santa clause for being parked there as she attempted to take 180 yards to back up into the street, later when I was done the guy asked if I ran into any problems I said none other than your wonderful loving neighbors,he rolled his eyes laughed and said and I quote" yeah I think this place is government housing for psycho cunt$" then as I was leaving the trailer park some jackass kid slung his skateboard infront of my truck intentionally I'm like yeah I have to get out of here before future history books have to compare me to Charles Manson.
We tryed out both batterie brands when getting ready to do a big hospital job where quite was most important and found that the husqvarna far more powerful and felt more like a normal topper to use, yes its no high power chogging saw but even for medium sized branches its brilliant and having got a 7.5st female apprentice it's brilliant to teach with being so light. Looking forward to seeing a comparison between this saw and the little echo when it comes back 👍
I prune a lot of trees and really like the battery idea. The husky that I use is great , but for removal the 200T is the way to go. Nice video
ProTrees seems like this thing is heavy. My 2511 T is great for pruning.
ProTrees batteries are heavy but it is cool that it’s always on/ready to go.
"Who would subject themselves to that kind of slowness?" .... regulations?
Reg Coates has a video(s) where he is using a Husqvarna battery chainsaw.... and it seems his was cutting a lot better than that one.... but maybe it was the type of tree.
* Thanks for climbing the tree twice for youtubers!
Yeah, this looked painful.. but we have two battery power Huskys at work and they fly through the wood. Not like a 200t or t540 But its pretty comparable to an ms193 or an old 338xp
Worth its weight in power?
One huge difference between gas and electric is the torque from a standstill. You can touch the wood with the electric and it has enough torque to get moving. A gas saw has to get moving before you get into the wood. That's a big plus when making delicate pruning cuts. Did you notice that at the end of your big cuts when it would pinch, where a gas saw would always bind, this one would just pull on out. I always used my handsaw extensively. On smaller cuts it was usually faster, just as you proved in this video.
Weird Saw , Sounds like a your carving a turkey . Cool video .I like the hand saw cut and catches . Satisfying.
So utily worker here, The milwaukee 16 inch has beaten the stIHL 160 gasser as well as most battery saws on heavy creosote wood poles. day in and out. Even heavily treated green Poles. But its definitely not a tree saw for arborists because of it needing 2 hands for pruning and being a tad long in design as well. Just two cents of nothing... I dont do tree work however statistically there have been more left handed injuries since the advent of the one handed saw, BE safe...!! SMART AWARE FOCUSSED EQUIPPED>. I like your vids and commentary.
These saws aren't meant to be used one-handed, really. They're meant for work up in the tree, so they're smaller, but they still have two handles for two hands, it's just easier to use one hand. My boss used to yell at me for even thinking about using one hand. August is his own boss, he's not gonna yell at himself and he's been doing this forever, but technically he's doing it "wrong". I trust him to do ok but I wouldn't let a newbie do that.
i used my hand saw yestesday ,, i felt like an oak man,, he he he ,, which I am far from.. I like trees,,
Buckin' Billy Ray Smith euc man here 😄
when will the oak man and euc man work together. I think Buckin' more of a euc man. I don't know if it's all in the filing will work here I just don't think it will work in this case. Suddenly a McCulloch 200 seem real fast and powerful
The whole battery chainsaw technology is still in its infancy, so wait a year or two and they may be adequate. They've made chains that require less energy and batteries with more power and more efficient motors.
@@1d1hamby it wont take off until they make something better than lithium ion which will be a while, same for EV's imho
What is the price of the Echo cs 2511 T 14" bar
If this has that pico/micro 1/4" chain, it is very hard to sharpen. The husky electrics seem to work great.
How much more peaceful and quiet it is, when your not having to yell over, or listen to a chainsaw scream in your ear..
Had one for a few years at home (Belgium). Great product!
Evening August imma sending my 020T to the chainsaw king asked him to do what he did to yours sometime in March! Thanks gin for the content and being you have a happy!
I use mine on a 10" bar for just pruning work only. It is quicker than a 200t for these jobs as you don't have to start the saw each time. It does have its problems but I do love it. We have smaller trees in the UK too as well :-)
Mike Finch I leave my saw idling.
Environment-Hater.😳
I love watching your videos learn alot from watching them you excellent work
Really let it take it's time or it jams quicker than an 80's rapper ;-)
Great video, you are still young strong and in your prime trust me years fly past, when your young you just want to kick on because money is your motivation as it was for myself.Back in the day we did not have the choice of equipment that is available today I would have given my right arm for T200 top saw back then.I recently sold mine to a young lad who kept pestering me for it as for the last 3o yrs I have done very little tree work as I switched to construction work as the money was far better back then. The cold,rain,frost,snow, has taken its toll athritus bad knees elbows back,,, ,the guy that said hard work never hurt no one? NEVER did any !! Hence I'm an old duffer now but I'm moving and I had a huge leylandi in my garden and dident want it to crab the sale of my house,my friend has got a sthil battery saw and he's never stops banging on about how good it is and as I couldn't fell the tree because of where it was situated I was forced to climb it. The saw was not a top saw but it was a sthil battery saw what a brilliant bit of kit I liked it so much I'm buying one, one battery got me down till the the tree was about 14 inches in diameter then I had to break out the petrol saw and finish the job as like you I was getting impatient as the battery saw was struggling.Battery saw was great for me and not to be underestimated it would have it's uses for you I'm sure in the domestic market but as they say times money !!
This saw is best for up to 8"inch. Most cordless chainsaw are design for 4" less then the bar length
thats 15 inch for a 200T
Stealth mode till the chipper fires up.
Kobs. & Roberts Services LLC. 🤔 yep
A rude awakening for the snoozing recluse.
That chipper wont put the tree back up
Seriously now they need a battery operated chipper🤣
Great as always August. The thing i like most about the MSA 160 is not needing to put on your ear protectors. Down side of working electric is to have the reflex to always put on the chain guard... With a petrol powered chainsaw you hear it running and seem to be more aware of the danger it has (if this makes any sense :)).
I enjoy your video’s very professional, thanks for the entertainment and work ethic I can relate to
Great vid, I have a Gomboy we use it for camping here in Oz. Great saws Silky, Japanese manufacturing at its' finest I reckon. I like your safety process too. The battery operated chainsaw is a little ripper, I've used one very surprised how good they really are although it was hardwood.
I tried for years to get a 160t. I gave up and bought a husq version, Seems I use the dewalt more often for light climbing/topping and its 1/4 the price and generic batteries are on amazon super cheap.I also like my 56volt ego 16 inch saw... works great after getting rid of the narrow kerf and getting a normal bar and chain. A little slower chain-speed but tons of torque.
You guys are brave souls to climb those trees
The best battery chainsaw review I've come across. Thanks for posting this!
Thanks for watching!
second year with the MSA 200. Great homeowner saw, as long as blade is sharp. For pros.....well branch and trimming work.
Off-topic but important: August has been climbing since the dinosaurs and he knows what he wants, but if you're a beginner, don't climb a tree with yer rope set like he has it for the first half. The little branch he's looped around will carry his static weight, but if he fell any distance, he'd probably keep on going once the rope hit the branch and hauled it right off. He's prolly not gonna fall, but if you're a beginner, don't you go taking that chance.
I climbed for two years and I'd only use that branch to get me up if I had to, and never to work off of.
Ive cut a few trees in my time, but never for living. That said early last year a lot of small trees and huge hedge had to heavily cut back
in a small residential car park, that just happens to be right outside my window. I wasn't looking forward to noise and mess that it would cause. To my surprise the the man doing the job used the very first battery saw I had seen, the very one you just showed, it seems to work very well for him, he had just two batteries and the saw and a hedge trimmer, battery charges in his truck. In a cramped residential are like this battery is the way to go. No point in pissing the neighbours off, not when there are likely around 10 or more ready to make your life impossible anyway.
Yes ma'am ! I am gonna climb that !! Hehe. Curious to see it a few seasons in !
Naw I don't prune enough trees to buy that. I am the removal tree guy here. I have to have my gas saw and power to deal with all these hard woods here. Love the video buddy. And monkey beaver crew 💪
I love your videos I’ve seen literally every one that you uploaded. I just got my Protos helmet and was curious about the GoPro mount you use?
The Truckin Tree Guy if you want it centered then you can just relieve some of the adhesive in the middle of the mount to accommodate that ridge line on the protos. My mount is customized flattened pvc epoxied on, to create a flat purchase point for the GP mount.
Love that hand saw
Laws in spain ban petrol machines during dry season due to fire hazards. I think they have been designed for that sort of environment. May-Oct is the non petrol powered machines where I live
Challenging personality I will have to use that. Thanks for video just about to try one I won't bother now
It's just a home owners saw for around there yard and that's it when those come out I new I would never have one lol nice one August 👍
My 2cents... seems Electric saw don’t want to start spinning under load. They need to spin up just like 2 tenths of a second. It takes a bit to get used to not shoving it in a cut and keep hitting the trigger expecting a gas engines low end torque. Once full throttle in a cut you can’t let off or push hard. If you stall it you have to back off a bit trigger it then cut again.
this is the first time ive watched your videos came over from thechainsawguy just needed to watch this vid to subscribe your cool
+Viheavyequipment Thanks.
when i bought my MS193T the saw dealer gave me the same 2018 commemorative Stihl hat you"re wearing...so I must be moving up in the chain saw hierarchy , LOL
Jeeeeeezzzzzzz, I would never had any confidence on the little branch you tyed up to. Go around the tree ! Lol
I tried one of these saws out on a reduction it's nice and light and it worked really well for that kind of pruning but I wouldn't bother with it on a dismantle job.
Just came home from unlocking four storm-blow trees that were locked together like a teepee. It was extremely dicey, and I can't even imagine using a battery powered saw for that. Indoor chainsaw carving, on the other hand....🤔😊😎👍👌
The Husq I have is super powerful, its super awesome to not be breathing in exhaust for the first half of the removal
Lately we've just been doing a ton of clean up and upsweep + ball moss removal on a lot of oak. Been thinking about getting a little husky cordless to carry around with me. 90% of the stuff ive been cutting is the size of my wrist nothing larger than my forearm. Ive been going all day on the same tank of gas
I now own the husqvarna battery top handle I recommend it but don't bother getting the biggest battery it's overkill and really heavy.
Been in the businesses since 81. never been seriously hurt . There is no way I would climb into into a cotton wood with this small diameter. I would never go above a 5 inch trunk. Don't want to see you die. I am in grants pass I have been sending many referrals to you in the last 3 years . I am scaling down.I have owned tim's tree service here in grants pass, since 1985. I look at every job, but time has made aware of my limitations. I am specialising in pruning now, I have 2 bucket trucks. These have kept me in business longer. I learned pruning from working in a nursery Owned by japanese americans. I worked with them for 4 years. They our our better half! I am 63 years old and like pruning. My favorite jobs are fruit tree pruning and ornamental
shade tree pruning.
Hi! Yes, I have done jobs referred by you. Thank you for that 👊🏼 and good job with resilient endurance 😀
The battery saw made by husqvarna is a beast. I'm not even a husqvarna guy and I like it.
They have just released the new version msa161T with 40% faster cutting speed and a stronger motor would like to see one in action
I've found good chain tension to be paramount in how these electric saws cut...hate the way they feel going through
the wood like more bouncy than gas power and makes me want to always use two hands. Plus when the battery drops near half charge it hates to do thick cuts.
I had to use one when it was rainy, gummed up on me al the time, wish I had my 201tc with me. Still believe in 2stroke..
That 160 makes my heart pulapatete like oh my goodness
When you're used to and MS 200 nothing compares.
Forget that, piss the neighbor off with a 2 stroke saw, that's too slow haha.
I had a mini mac 10 that was the loudest little saw I ever owned!
That was the best advertising i ever had.
The 1st stump I ever had ground had a straight pipe exhaust. I had an extra muffler in my garage that I offered the old gentleman. He said no thanks, that’s advertising. After that I made sure all the neighbors could hear me work.
Your the best! Thanks for your videos. Been over 15 years since I’ve been up a tree. I miss the view. And being just that much closer to God.
Holy hell! You were tied into a limb instead of the central leader. Whoa, dude. Be more careful.
Also insider information has it that this version of the saw will not be sold -ever - in the US - because it actually is unsafe. The US is to litigious for this saw to survive here. Stihl also admitted that it is underpowered.
The msa160t has had a revamp recently its working better than it was before.
Very interesting, thanks for sharing.
"One cut, YASSSS"!
It looks to cut about on par with my Husky Batt Saw, maybe a tad slower.
I don't think the electric motors do well when the chain catches in wood and comes to a stop. Maybe that's why I have to let off the trigger break it free and then get back on the trigger - to keep from frying electronics. (???)
I like to use mine when working before or after reasonable/legal work times. Also for trimming trees and hedges with a lot of 3 or 4 inch cuts and less. If I'm trimming a tree that has more than a couple of 6 inch cuts I would rather use my gas saw usually.
The other place batt saws rock is when doing tons of cuts. Stop position, cut, stop position, cut - no pull starting. I took down eleven Sequoia Giganteas (a couple 4.5 feet dia and 8 inch limbs) next to a house. Speed lined and batt saw for about 2/3 of all the limbs. (MB speed line kit obviously. :) )
+Merle Nelson great to here these valid points. I often leave my chainsaw idling so I don’t start it each time.
Very useful review, August - thanks. For 'stealthy' light pruning it doesn't seem to beat a good handsaw. 👍👍
You sir are a REAL GENTLEMAN, if the "neighbor" isn't stroking the check, all I could give them is my REGARDS............LOL
My Silky and an MSA 200 are my go to choices for Sat and Sun mornings before 9:30-10:00. You should give the 200 a try (with a nicer chain maybe) before totally writing them off. You might think it cuts into production but so does your groundies trying to calm down angry neighbors. Some days its also nice to not smell like 2 cycle exhaust.
GSCHG VT thanks, I didn’t totally write it off. It just sounds a bit negative because I like a faster cut when I’m climbing.
That hand saw is amazing
COULD U PLEASE TALK A LITTLE SOFTER I CAN'T HERE THE SAW
i own a large garden and my mother has a small woodland area. i bought the full battery range, blower strimmer hedge cutter and chainsaw. i went with the slightly better model that this one. Anyway i want to say i would never ever ever go back to petrol. these things a amazing.
but everything has its place!
the cost doubles for the silent treatment.
August, I’m loving what you are doing on your channel and wanted to share a thought on the battery powered Stihl msa 160 t saw. It would seem that a normal set of cutting teeth on the little saw might work better if they were square ground as opposed to normal chain saw angled profile. I feel it might offer less strain on the motor and thus give a faster cut. Also, based on a dirt bike technique, could you load up the chain itself with a wet type of graphite such as “Dry-Slide” or something similar to see if it would help the little saw.
Thanks for the review August. I have a 536 li xp from the other guys and I must admit I love it. Definitely is a time and place saw and there is a learning curve to cutting with it. However, in a timed cut you need to add in the starting of the 200t to the total time so is it that much faster? Ever taken 3, 4 or 5 SOB pulls on it in a less then ideal position while pruning? Thought so...give the little guy a chance
Matthew Skerratt Interesting point except I leave my saw idling. 💪🏻🏆😁
I had my gas saw on my belt last year. I heard it idle down and quit. I was amazed how mad I was listening to it quit. I guess because I had to start it again.
So when are we going to see a review on the new F-550 now that you've had it for a little bit and how you have it setup.
Sorry to say but I think you are completely and utterly missing the point of these saws.
They are only used for pruning not dismantling .
no point in comparing them to a 200T.
The only thing they got in common is the colour.
They are ideal for light pruning anything up to 4 to 5 inches other than that get the petrol one out...
Thought you would’ve realised that August before you purchased it.😬😬🤔🤭
Really enjoy your videos 👍🏻
He explains that. What are you watching ??
Our company bought us a stihl battery tsaw and rear handle for doing night works in brisbane. That sound of the chain going haunts my nightmares after doing big removals with it. haha
ultra farmer LOL, I’ll bet. I’ve gotten more insight (things I hadn’t considered) from the comment section of this video than any of my past vids that I can think of.
Cheers for the reply mate. Dont think im knocking them completely they're a specialty tool for jobs that are noise sensitive. Never gonna live up to the mighty 200t.
I live around 1500 feet elevation, thought one of them would be good if I went to Colorado. Even auto tune struggled at 10000 feet.
now only if we had a noise cancelling chipper machine, that would be dope, thanks for the vid.
This was a nice and quiet video, Ninjarb at its finest August 😎
Matt Jordan LOL, I did like the quietness of the video. Wish I hadn’t complained so much.
Holy hell! You were tied into a limb instead of the central leader. Whoa, dude. Be more careful.
Decent review, I don't know cottonwoods, but we have poplar. It's an interesting grain. It was quiet :) I think you will like your new baby Echo, I punished mine in an 80' Dead spruce and it impressed me. Nothing is a 200T though. Be Well
it'd be a nice light-weight saw for hiking trail maintenance IMHO.
For that, the 200 version might be better... stronger, AND available in North America😉...and for those on horseback, it might sheath nicer, better balanced, and less knocking on the pony🐴
i do wish stihl would do away that bar nut design though, like they got on the 200 version.
Until battery goes flat. Then you will beed to carry a 3kg battery and oil.
Think Echo has a 5lb gas top handle saw.
I have been wanting one but not so much now lol
I had the Husqvarna electric climbing saw for a while. It didnt work much better. Worked good for certain pruning applications though
August, that saw was clearly pinching in the cut. It is a smaller width bar and chain so it will jam up more and it is likely that you need to adapt to the different style of saw and its use. I have both battery and petrol saws and I use them where they are best suited,
I’m not a production climber but I’ve been running the husqvarna t536lixp and it runs nearly equal to my t012. I’m a stihl guy but I’ve used the little husqvarna up two 12in wild cherry, 14in oak. Also keep in mind your running a hot rod 200... the msa160=012av in my humble opinion it’s the t536lixp is close to the stock 201t I use now... apples to oranges and monkey beaver likes his orange juice because it’s saw king enriched in goodness? Great video
I was a stihl person until I got my hands on a Mcculloch Mac Mini 35. For only 32cc the saw can handle almost anything you throw at it. Though it isn't quiet. It is loud, very loud. It doesn't really have a muffler, it has what is called a power-stack, it basically is just an exhaust re-director. It is also very light. For a top handle all metal saw from the mid 70's at about 10lb. it makes a great trail maintenance saw. Burying the blade in oak, you have to push pretty hard to bog it down with a non-safety chain hand filed.
Tony Robbins just bought my first mac.. I think its a 310 if I'm remembering right. Haven't taken the time to get it running yet
That Barbie saw sucks. And it sounds awful. I love my little 151 TC. That little motor rips through anything I can throw at it. And it is not that noisy.
*This saw costs $349 for the chainsaw alone. It's a further $269 for the battery and $54 for the charger for a grand total of $672 before taxes. I'd rather go with the 2020 194T for $360 total.*
Nice work brother! Battery technology has come a long way. Get some leg straps for your handsaw, it's a game changer!
EducatedClimber tried that. Couldn’t undo my years of seeking out the cross draw. And it snagged everywhere. This dangle config sucks tho to cause I gave away the vault biner that I usually keep the hand saw on.
Yeah, took me a while to get used to it too. I keep mine on my right leg and I'm able to pop the handsaw back in there almost as fast as you can stow your tophandle away! Keep it up brother, you're doing a hell of a job! - Patrick
EducatedClimber we’ll talk soon
Somebody should make a chest rig for handsaws....🤔.... maybe not..
Looks useful, can't get past a derestricted ms150t tho, best tree saw ever
Is this the Silky Sugowaza Fixed curved pruning saw - 420mm Extra coarse?
I am also more impressed with the hand saw! good job 👍
Excellent !
The Echo saw weighs a bit more in exchange for more power and more cuts. Better price too. Two stud bar retention system with scrinch stow in handle; durable and practical.
Great videos