Idk about this then why would he write that letter telling Maria to keep Ellie there? More like he knew Ellie was determined and took it on himself to get justice. Ellie even says tommy is in Seattle because of her
peko peko exactly he prioritized the safety of Ellie and Jackson over revenge something he knew Joel would do if it were him that was killed instead. But he took it upon himself to protect Ellie, was even going to let Abby live and return to Jackson when he found Ellie in Seattle until he got ambushed
I REALLY want a DLC where we play those 3 days in Seattle from Tommy’s perspective. As proven throughout the game, Tommy is pretty fucking ruthless and he would be so fun to play as
@@CenoriaWoah yea that would make so much sense cause just like Ellie having flashbacks of Joel same with Tommy and he’s remembering the times he had with his brother. That’s would be so cool
@@alejandroalvarado3409 Remember when Ellie was kidnapped by a group of cannibal? Joel fight them all and even savagely tortured 2 of them. No imagine if a similar group would golf killed ellie in front of his eyes? He would go ape shit. He only get revenge for who he loves
@@MegaFrance69 save ain't equal to avenge. Joel never looked for the soldier that gave the order to kill Sarah for example and even Tommy HIS brother said it: Ellie: If it was you or me Joel would be half way to Seattle Tommy: No, he wouldn't Tommy's right he knows his brother he was with him when they killed Sarah.
@@alejandroalvarado3409 loool that's what you base your logic on? On a random officer ordering his troops to kill the civilians because everything went mad all of sudden. It was like 25 years before the Joel we know. He was a different man and it was not a intentional murder. Plus the soldier got killed. Ellie was like a new purpose in life after so many years for Joel. If someone killed Ellie in front of his eyed and got away with it, he would not rest until he track him down. Then again, you rise a valid point when Tommy said no he wouldn't. I would be very interested into why the writers implied that. Because everything we saw until now contradicts that.
@@MegaFrance69 No, you're not understanding you think you know Joel better than the writers themselves but is that true? I wasn't refering to the soldier that got killed I was talking about the soldier that ordered to kill Sara for radio. And even 25 years in the apocalypse in the pittsburg area Joel finds a note that talks about a mother that will avenge his son from the military and then he says "with that kind of thinking, no one wins" and that is on the first game. So are you sure you know Joel enough? do you know him better than Troy Baker? better than Neil Druckmann himself? A lot of people have a lot of expectations and think they know these characters better than the creators themselves but I think they need to analyze them better and more.
Ellie needed that hug so bad. You can tell by the way she sighs and starts to cry when Tommy hugs her. I don't think Tommy expected such a hug from her cause he's like "Ok..." *gently removes Ellie*
It's look like tommy trying to hold his tear right there after he said "okay" so maybe, just maybe, he don't want to show his weakness, pretending that he don't want to revenge, or redemption, he didn't show any emotion, but deep inside he's crying, he broken.
The hug from Ellie along with sigh sent Tommy right on past his wife to go clear a path for her and handle it himself. That's why he said okay twice. Once for and one for him because he made up his mind then and there
I love this scene. Tommy being the mature being he is tried to convince Ellie to stay home even though he had every intent to avenge his brother alone. He was simply wishing for Ellie to stay home and live a long and healthy life, because that's what Joel would've wanted.
I looked at the way Ellie was acting in this scene as her trying to rationalize her guilt. I think she blames herself. Since Joel went looking for her when the herd was coming since she and Dina snuck off.
Saddest and most screwed up part about Joel's death is that while he was being murdered he must have thought that Ellie and Tommy would soon be executed after him as well, without even knowing who the killer was.
Nah. The look in Joel's eyes was pure love and peace despite being in physical agony. Ellie crying just let Joel know that she really did care. That was all the closure he needed aside from knowing Ellie would give him another chance.
I don't really think so. For Joel I think that moment just felt like his past actions catching up with him. Obviously he can't be sure if Abby's gang will be "merciful" or "honorable" enough to restrict their revenge to just him and not go after the people he cares about. But I think he can hold out hope for something like that.
0:11 the image of joel’s house in darkness and ellie’s front porch light on is heartbreaking for the obvious reason as to why, but once again serves as a visual reminder that ellie was “the light” joel looked for when he was “lost in the darkness”
her face crumples when he hugs her, and you just know she’s thinking about 2 years before when joel hugged her for the last time and she pushed him away :(
She had a right to be angry after being lied to for all those years, but she should’ve been more empathetic to Joel’s position as well. She was starting to come around, but unfortunately she never got the chance to set it right. It’s just sad.
@@andrezcolon6353help what she had a right to be mad he took away a choice from her I understand Joel’s part but Ellie thought she was gonna cure the world even Marlene knew she would’ve done it and Joel killed them and then lied about it too she didn’t find out until years later that she could’ve saved everyone if it wasn’t for him
I think people underestimated tommy. When you find the massacres he left behind as you’re going through Seattle it shows deep down Tommy was not to be fucked with. People talk about how he’s not as ruthless as Joel, but Joel would’ve also died on outbreak day in that town with Sarah if tommy didn’t save him.
They both were hurting bad in their own way considering joel meant a lot to them but in reality I really felt for tommy he lost a big brother and ellie lost a father who she was beginning to forgive and talk to again damn this game was truly heartbreaking.
3:34 Look at how emotional he gets. I think he had already decided to go in Ellie’s place to keep her safe and he knew this could be the last time he ever talked to her.
The way they build up Tommy's rage, right from the interrogation tactics he used to all the way taking down a massive chunk of the WLF crew by sniping like a militant! A true badass, only second to Joel.. Had to be his brother of course
They should've went together, Tommy knew Ellie would pursue Abby. Both of them could've dealt with the Abby's group fine and got the hell out of there.
@@timelordastrodo6408 bro tommy is almost exactly like Joel in terms of survival and ruthlessness. They could definitely have gotten more work done together than Ellie with Dina.
I think he was trying to spare her the pain of hunting down and killing a lot of people. As well as trying to keep her safe. He knew she would do it herself so he tried to beat her to it.
Imagine if Naughty Dog made these DLCs: - Joel and Tommy’s 20 years of surviving after Sarah’s death. We’d play as Joel. - Tommy’s 3 days in Seattle from his perspective. We’d play as him. - Ellie & Tommy’s journey to Seattle, and also Ellie’s journey to Santa Barbara, we’d play as both. Love this series, thank you for this video since I like to rewatch some of the cutscenes again.
A lot of people talk about if Tommy was intending to go to Seatle from the beginning or not. I think that he wasn't planning to go at first. Although he didnt like letting Joels killers go he thaught the safety of Jackson came first. After his talk with Ellie he realised he couldnt let the killers get away with this (illustrated in his letter to Maria "i wish i could let it go but I can't. I have to take these people to justice"). He didnt go to Seatle for Ellie but because he couldnt let it go himself either. At the end of the game this situation is mirrorred when Tommy goes to Ellie to ask het find and kill Abby. Ellie doesnt want to go at first. Her family comes first now. But later that night she realises she can't let Abby go. So she goes to find her. Dina first thinks she goes because of Tommy saying: "you don't owe Tommy anything." But Ellie makes it clear she goes for herself (saying she can't eat or sleep as long as she didnt kill Abby)
Lidaa letap I guess I just felt like if I was in Ellie’s shoes I’d be kind of embarrassed 😂 He offers a hug and based on his reaction it seems she hugged him tighter than he expected, and she realizes this too so she readjusts her grip and then he awkwardly says “ok” (like “this hug is over now”) as he gently pries her off him and she just stands there. It feels so real, like something I could see happening to me, so it made me internally cringe a bit, ha If anything it just goes to show how in-character the actors were when filming this scene
@@QuillWorks Damn lol I didn't expect a reply and explanation that quick xD. Yeah I guess I can see why you think it's awkward. We need more Tommy and Ellie scenes in my opinion. I like the relationship they have, they seemed close.
I think the reason the hug went that way was because they were both already fighting back tears, so when the hug came it made it even more difficult and had it lasted any longer they both would be bawling.
You see what he did while he was half dead knowing Ellie was still alive? I shudder at thought of what would have happened if Abby killed Ellie instead of Joel
It gets me every time. It’s all the justification I needed to hear. I love how Tommy says “no he wouldn’t” while looking away and knowing he can’t argue with that fact. Which is also the guilt trip that motivated him to leave that night.
FenderMan91 That is very true, if Tommy didn’t tell them their names Abby’s group wouldn’t have known who they were till they got to Jackson. I also think Tommy is doing this for Joel in the sense that he knows Joel wouldn’t have wanted Ellie putting herself in any kind of danger.
scampoli25 totally agree with you. That’s my response to every single “but Joel wouldn’t walk into a room full of strangers and give his name!” He only did because Tommy had already told Abby their names. It would have been extremely sketchy if he said a different name. I think Tommy knew that Ellie would still leave as soon as she found out that he was gone, but figured he’d clear some of the danger before she could even catch up to him.
FenderMan91 Exactly. Which is why I liked the justification to go to Seattle went from revenge mission, to going to get Tommy. It was also fun how they made following Tommy similar to the Bill’s town mission where you are learning things about Bill while avoiding traps.
I know right? Especially in this scene the shaky breaths, etc.this scene is just heart wrenching. Hes trying so hard to convince ellie to stay in Jackson where's she safe but he knows its a losing battle from the moment she let's him in the door.
in this scene you can tell why Joel gravitated towards Ellie, because he resonated with her, he saw the closest thing in his 20 year experience in this world as himself/his daughter in her. and Tommy saw it too, how much Joel meant to her even when trying to dissuade her from going on a quest to avenge him, Tommy saw the closest thing he has to a niece 2:38
@@miguelblanco810 same here. For me they can show her here and there but taking up half the game playing as her was ridiculous. They should have cut it shorter
Me and some people I have seen have on the internet have interpreted this scene very differently. The way I see is that Tommy was always planning to leave for Seattle and went to Ellie to try convince her not to come along with him but when he realised she wouldn't budge he decided to leave early by himself. I have seen other argue that Tommy didn't plan to go but Ellie's ''goading'' is what made him change his mind (but he still didn't want her to get hurt so he left her behind).
He indeed came to make sure she doesn't go with him one way or another. Talking to Maria was just him buying some time to leave and clear the road for Ellie. He singlehandedly wiped out like 1/6 of all WLF.
My man Tommy's a dark horse 😂 everyone thinks he's this peace loving softie and while to some extent he is, the dudes got a baaad side. I'd love for naughty dog to either make a game showing us the 3 days in Seattle from his view, or a game set in the 20 years between the outbreak and Sarah's death, to the first game. Show us the horrific things Joel and Tommy did, rather than tell us. I just want to play as Tommy man 😩😩😩 never played as him before and he's shown he's just as capable and ruthless as Joel. I've felt Ellies sadness and bloodlust at her father dying, now put me in Tommy's shoes and show me his, because Joel basically raised Tommy and protected him his whole life. Also Tommy remembers life before all this and he helped raise Sarah. There's way more history there than Ellie has, and I think that could make for an even better revenge/emotional story.
In my opinion, I dont think tommy will let Ellies Abby-spare go off so easily, Or i dont think he will forgive her at all. He lost his brother, the one who grew up with him even before the end of the world, loved him, survived and so on. He went blind and became a cripple causing him to lose Maria as well, fueling a hatred for Abby even bigger. He didnt see or thought of any of Abbys perspectives and wouldnt understand why Ellie let her go. And nothings connecting Tommy and Ellies relationship anymore
I mean she can just lie to him and say she didn't find Abby. Ellie is also like the last thing his brother truly cared about, i think he would let it slide after some time.
After Joel's death (Joel wakes up in the empty dark place) Joel: Where am i? Ellie? (Then, Joel is walking and scream Ellie's name) Joel: Ellie!? And then: Mysterious girl: Dad? Joel: Ahh! Who's there? (Joel look around to find the girl who call him) Mysterious girl: Dad, it's me (Then there's a white light shining infront of Joel's eye, and the one who call him is Sarah) Joel: Sarah? Sarah: Yes dad it's me (Joel looking at his beutiful daughter who right now is a grown woman and Joel eyes were started to tear, Joel run towards Sarah and hug her) Joel: Oh baby girl i'm sorry Sarah: No dad, don't be sorry it's okay you, me and mom, we're together now. Joel: I miss you my baby girl. Sarah: I miss you to dad.
I think Tommy decides to go to Seattle because he wants to prevent Ellie from going there… Because that is what Joel would have wanted him to do, in order to save Ellie
I just don't understand how they could even put this scene in the game when the ending just completely negates it. This game did such a disservice to the first it's almost impressive.
@@adrianarias6418 Are you implying that you can only know and understand what a "good story" is if you're the one who wrote it? Are you fucking brain dead?
@@OrehBelich92 Because she decides to take the "high road" and she let's abby go thus leaving joels death completely pointless in every aspect, it's all for nothing.
I like the idea of them going together to Seattle instead of dina, it would have been a great bonding experience for them as Joel's loss was really personal for both of them when Dina only went because of Ellie and not because she felt a need to avenge his death. But I also feel like dina served a purpose, she was there to make Ellie question if it was really worth it while Tommy would have probably wanted for them to go through with it all. I can see why many would have liked that plot better though, and I'm not blind to some of the flaws this game has, but I also really do love the story they decided to tell and I'm not sure having Tommy instead of dina would have created the same result. I have to admit tho I always hated what they did with Tommy at the end, I honestly would have preferred for him to die than survive just to guilt trip Ellie later. It's one of the few scenes I really felt were out of character (another one was Ellie not going with Jesse to save Tommy and leaving him alone), besides Ellie was already broken and on edge, anyone could have made her leave again for example Jesse's parents or Maria after being widowed. But anyways I do agree that having their bond expanded on would have been lovely and this scene is phenomenal, you can really see Joel was the glue between them in a way but also how genuinely they care for each other as family
"if it were you or me Joel would be halfway to Seattle by now" makes me tear up, because tommy knows it most and she is practically his niece so lying to her has to be hard
I think Tommy was planning to go to Seattle the whole time, but he knew that Ellie cared about Joel so much and tried to protect her from a journey that he knew would inevitability end up in blood.
Days through Seattle with Ellie and Tommy is ten times better than Dina, in previous game Ellie get to travel with a father figure and this should be about Ellie going with an Uncle figure.
It's look like tommy trying to hold his tear right there after he said "okay" so maybe, just maybe, he don't want to show his weakness, pretending that he don't want to revenge, or redemption, he didn't show any emotion, but deep inside he's crying, he broken.
Tommy and Joel look so much alike. I feel like there should've been more emotion in this scene. In the whole game, really. Imo the game was such a waste of a potential opportunity to make you FEEL something, to expand upon real human connections like the first game laid out. All for a big ol generic shock factor. I very much miss the time when the first game was all that was canon. I'm seriously gonna pretend it's still that way.
I think my favorite part of this scene is “What are you doing?!” There is _so much_ packed into just those four words: frustration, anger, pain, desperation.
2:14 Joel without hesitation would definitely go straight to Seattle to kill whoever killed Ellie, the only imagine close to his daughter that he loves so much or his own blooded brother, Tommy, who both went through so much shit together to survive. Joel is a murderer and a coldhearted person, but he would avenge his loved one and take revenge on those people or person that took someone so dearly, meaningful to his life. Joel’s not that fucked up and coldhearted to not get his ass off the couch and go 500 miles and more to kill some people or an army who killed his loved one. 😤🖤
I feel like Joel would have absolutely lost it if Abby killed Ellie instead. To him, it’d probably be like losing Sarah all over again - but this time it’d be Ellie. Joel would have definitely went straight to Seattle to get revenge for Ellie’s death and possibly go straight into killer mode. He would have lost himself along the way too, because it seemed that Ellie was the only one keeping him sane.
The last of us part 1.was and still is a masterpiece of the game. It's a combination of style and unique characters that is very hard to replicate even with most talented story writers in naughty dog,that's why many hardcore fans are very disapointed with this sequel,because they all expected something else...something close to that first masterpiece. On technical level engine is amazing with almost photorealistic renderings of the characters and very advanced motion capturing,but from my personal perspective i believe that TLOU story should be over with part II. Pushing away part III would be senseless and it would only ruin the amazing story we all loved even further,in general everything would just become spanish soap opera or some type of milking cow on life support. When we are talking again about part II,i believe that different story it wouldn't be possible anyway,because Sarah died many years ago,and Joel is now old and just a pale shadow of a man that he use to be...on top of that Ellie is not a child anymore,she is a grown up woman more then capable to take care of herself,and also with her own personal demons to fight. So realistically there is no space or material for two of them to continue they amazing journey,it cant be done even with best writers in the world... This series is over and gone forever,but we can still pay respect to the naughty dog for amazing work they done..
@@no_name8554 so why comment about something you are not going to read anyway ?I'm curious for all of those "wow this comment is long" replies I keep find...
Abby and Lev still have potential for a part3. The lost fireflies at the radio. I want the part 3 to be the big conclusion. The big conclusion being what happened to the scars, seraphites, wlf, jackson and rattlers.
Tommy looks and sounds so much like Joel when he's talking to her. From the way that he speaks, to even his mannerisms. Think about this: What a plot twist if in the third game, this is all just revealed to be a bad dream. That at the end of the game, Joel wakes up in his bed, the day after his birthday, and all this never happened. Sarah is still very much alive, and Ellie is revealed to be one of Sarah's friends from school, or something like that. Marlene is revealed to be one of Sarah's teachers from school she goes to. David, from the first game, is revealed to be that big contractor that Joel needed to do business with, Bill is revealed to be Joel's auto mechanic, and Tess is revealed to be Joel's girlfriend.
She sparks the flame of revenge, but in the end she was the first to snuff it out. In her journey to revenge, she keeps spilling blood of people who actually don't have anything to do with Joel's death (except Abby's friends ofc). For someone with empathy, that's like flogging your own back with a whip.
I’ve seen people point out this as bad writing since Tommy says that he doesn’t want to go after Abby in this scene and then blines it to Seattle the next however in my eyes he was doing this to protect Ellie since he did not want her going after him when he left
(after loving and waiting for years for the release) joel gets his head smashed... i just cant... im so depresed just cause of this game :( i wont even buy this game cuz of this
I bought the game 2 days ago and just started to play it earlier but when joel dies i stopped playing and threw the game to the garbage i waited for years to play again as joel not to watch him get fucked up
Tommy trying to reason why they can’t go, to talk Ellie down, and all the time his leg is shaking. He’s antsy. He’s already out the door himself, taking matters into his own hands, keeping her safe.
I've been thinking about that a lot too. Especially since Joel changed a lot since they came to live in Jackson, and really took on the role of a gentle, patient, caring father and member of a community. I'm not sure if he would go after them.
![[s1] joel having beef with ellie for 9 minutes](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/z-NF5RVdDJY/mqdefault.jpg)
Such a clever scene....Tommy pretends to talk Ellie out of it.....then high tails alone to clear a path for Ellie.
Tommy is a real Lion.
Yup, he basically used what his wife said to him and tried to use it with Ellie, kinda sweet
Damn I kind of never thought about it like that. Tommy a cetified g
Idk about this then why would he write that letter telling Maria to keep Ellie there? More like he knew Ellie was determined and took it on himself to get justice. Ellie even says tommy is in Seattle because of her
Quinn ye he didn’t go to clear the path for Ellie he just wanted to protect her and keep her in Jackson
peko peko exactly he prioritized the safety of Ellie and Jackson over revenge something he knew Joel would do if it were him that was killed instead. But he took it upon himself to protect Ellie, was even going to let Abby live and return to Jackson when he found Ellie in Seattle until he got ambushed
I REALLY want a DLC where we play those 3 days in Seattle from Tommy’s perspective. As proven throughout the game, Tommy is pretty fucking ruthless and he would be so fun to play as
R520 J R, That would be amazing but at the end of every day we get a flashback to Joel and Tommy’s hunter days
Or as Jesse
@@CenoriaWoah yea that would make so much sense cause just like Ellie having flashbacks of Joel same with Tommy and he’s remembering the times he had with his brother. That’s would be so cool
Not as ruthless as Joel. Joel is a literal tank who can take out a small army and quite frankly he did.
@@jamesharden5685 i doubt tommy couldnt do the same. He just needs a motive to get him going
She does have a point. If ellie or Tommy died. Joel would be riding at Seattle in a heart beat. No talking no nothing
that's not true, Joel is not a vengeful person, He does not take justice with his own hands. Play the first game and you'll see
@@alejandroalvarado3409 Remember when Ellie was kidnapped by a group of cannibal? Joel fight them all and even savagely tortured 2 of them. No imagine if a similar group would golf killed ellie in front of his eyes? He would go ape shit. He only get revenge for who he loves
@@MegaFrance69 save ain't equal to avenge.
Joel never looked for the soldier that gave the order to kill Sarah for example and even Tommy HIS brother said it:
Ellie: If it was you or me Joel would be half way to Seattle
Tommy: No, he wouldn't
Tommy's right he knows his brother he was with him when they killed Sarah.
@@alejandroalvarado3409 loool that's what you base your logic on? On a random officer ordering his troops to kill the civilians because everything went mad all of sudden. It was like 25 years before the Joel we know. He was a different man and it was not a intentional murder. Plus the soldier got killed.
Ellie was like a new purpose in life after so many years for Joel. If someone killed Ellie in front of his eyed and got away with it, he would not rest until he track him down.
Then again, you rise a valid point when Tommy said no he wouldn't. I would be very interested into why the writers implied that. Because everything we saw until now contradicts that.
@@MegaFrance69 No, you're not understanding you think you know Joel better than the writers themselves but is that true?
I wasn't refering to the soldier that got killed I was talking about the soldier that ordered to kill Sara for radio.
And even 25 years in the apocalypse in the pittsburg area Joel finds a note that talks about a mother that will avenge his son from the military and then he says "with that kind of thinking, no one wins" and that is on the first game. So are you sure you know Joel enough? do you know him better than Troy Baker? better than Neil Druckmann himself?
A lot of people have a lot of expectations and think they know these characters better than the creators themselves but I think they need to analyze them better and more.
Ellie needed that hug so bad. You can tell by the way she sighs and starts to cry when Tommy hugs her. I don't think Tommy expected such a hug from her cause he's like "Ok..." *gently removes Ellie*
Yeah Tommy and Joel don't know how to handle big emotions, and neither does Ellie as a result.
It's look like tommy trying to hold his tear right there after he said "okay" so maybe, just maybe, he don't want to show his weakness, pretending that he don't want to revenge, or redemption, he didn't show any emotion, but deep inside he's crying, he broken.
Idk I think Tommy needed that hug more
The hug from Ellie along with sigh sent Tommy right on past his wife to go clear a path for her and handle it himself. That's why he said okay twice. Once for and one for him because he made up his mind then and there
ok is the miller way to say it is too much
I love this scene. Tommy being the mature being he is tried to convince Ellie to stay home even though he had every intent to avenge his brother alone. He was simply wishing for Ellie to stay home and live a long and healthy life, because that's what Joel would've wanted.
I looked at the way Ellie was acting in this scene as her trying to rationalize her guilt. I think she blames herself. Since Joel went looking for her when the herd was coming since she and Dina snuck off.
I swear to God I mourned over Joel's death like he's a real family member to me too...
Bro I swear me too. Like even just thinking about the fact that he's dead makes me start getting choked up.
I was crying so hard when Ellie went to his house.
@@ninaa4192 I'm the same! Just seeing his face in pt 2 after his death make automatic tears come to my eyes lol.
Right! When I was Abby and i apparently had to try to kill Ellie I was so frustrated and angry and in tears
I couldn’t sleep the night I played the part where he died, it’s so weird cause I never thought a video game could do this to someone
Tommy is the only person that has the most similarity with Joel and i feel Ellie feels it when shes with Tommy
Same
Well ya he's her uncle
My brother's keeper ✌️
@@rc59191 the closest thing she’ll ever have to one
Saddest and most screwed up part about Joel's death is that while he was being murdered he must have thought that Ellie and Tommy would soon be executed after him as well, without even knowing who the killer was.
Goddamn this game really feels like a dark fan fiction
Nah. The look in Joel's eyes was pure love and peace despite being in physical agony.
Ellie crying just let Joel know that she really did care. That was all the closure he needed aside from knowing Ellie would give him another chance.
Well wherever Joel is now, he’ll know that Ellie and tommy didn’t fall either, cause neither of them are where Joel is.
I don't really think so. For Joel I think that moment just felt like his past actions catching up with him. Obviously he can't be sure if Abby's gang will be "merciful" or "honorable" enough to restrict their revenge to just him and not go after the people he cares about. But I think he can hold out hope for something like that.
0:11 the image of joel’s house in darkness and ellie’s front porch light on is heartbreaking for the obvious reason as to why, but once again serves as a visual reminder that ellie was “the light” joel looked for when he was “lost in the darkness”
Ashley Johnson is phenomenal in this scene
In every scene lol
@@fenderman9178 true! haha
Who's that
@@dude9318 The person who acted Ellie
Through the whole game but joels death and when she finds out the truth show her talent
her face crumples when he hugs her, and you just know she’s thinking about 2 years before when joel hugged her for the last time and she pushed him away :(
That is unforgettable and disrespectful.
She had a right to be angry after being lied to for all those years, but she should’ve been more empathetic to Joel’s position as well. She was starting to come around, but unfortunately she never got the chance to set it right. It’s just sad.
Yes this is what you call karma and punishment in this scene
Yes Ellie you little brat Joel tried to hug you and you pushed him away that was cold even for you.
@@andrezcolon6353help what she had a right to be mad he took away a choice from her I understand Joel’s part but Ellie thought she was gonna cure the world even Marlene knew she would’ve done it and Joel killed them and then lied about it too she didn’t find out until years later that she could’ve saved everyone if it wasn’t for him
Tommy's the most huggable character in this whole series
Considering he's Joel's baby brother I totally get that.
I know
I think people underestimated tommy. When you find the massacres he left behind as you’re going through Seattle it shows deep down Tommy was not to be fucked with. People talk about how he’s not as ruthless as Joel, but Joel would’ve also died on outbreak day in that town with Sarah if tommy didn’t save him.
He's my favorite character
It's heartwarming to see Tommy thinks of Ellie as family
They both were hurting bad in their own way considering joel meant a lot to them but in reality I really felt for tommy he lost a big brother and ellie lost a father who she was beginning to forgive and talk to again damn this game was truly heartbreaking.
it's sad how tommy's voice sounds like it's about to broke, he's holding the cry so bad in here.
awesome perfomance and voice acting
You can tell he’s just barely holding it together when he says “Well I’ll figure something out!” He almost breaks.
Me after Joel’s death when Ellie goes to his house:
*Well do we got any loot around here?*
Damn 😂
u vulture
What?
The loot is important too
His revolver.
Awesome, so I'm not the only one. I feel better about myself now
3:34 Look at how emotional he gets. I think he had already decided to go in Ellie’s place to keep her safe and he knew this could be the last time he ever talked to her.
The way they build up Tommy's rage, right from the interrogation tactics he used to all the way taking down a massive chunk of the WLF crew by sniping like a militant! A true badass, only second to Joel.. Had to be his brother of course
They should've went together, Tommy knew Ellie would pursue Abby. Both of them could've dealt with the Abby's group fine and got the hell out of there.
And he would be a better partner than Dina
@@skep7964 what's wrong with Dina like?
@@timelordastrodo6408 bro tommy is almost exactly like Joel in terms of survival and ruthlessness. They could definitely have gotten more work done together than Ellie with Dina.
KänäkOnTowLegs omg yes
I think he was trying to spare her the pain of hunting down and killing a lot of people. As well as trying to keep her safe. He knew she would do it herself so he tried to beat her to it.
Imagine if Naughty Dog made these DLCs:
- Joel and Tommy’s 20 years of surviving after Sarah’s death. We’d play as Joel.
- Tommy’s 3 days in Seattle from his perspective. We’d play as him.
- Ellie & Tommy’s journey to Seattle, and also Ellie’s journey to Santa Barbara, we’d play as both.
Love this series, thank you for this video since I like to rewatch some of the cutscenes again.
Omg this idea is golden 🤩 and No problem I enjoyed the hell out of this scene
We NEED a spin-off of the first idea!
I will not touch the game cause of this. So he will always be alive living in a happy village with electricity.
B B then don’t... not like they gonna care since you’re not that important and I’m trying to be as polite as possible
Drama queen
"I'd like that" - Joel Miller
Lol even if I wanted this game I can't cuz I have PS3
Mera The nobody cares what you think.
A lot of people talk about if Tommy was intending to go to Seatle from the beginning or not. I think that he wasn't planning to go at first. Although he didnt like letting Joels killers go he thaught the safety of Jackson came first. After his talk with Ellie he realised he couldnt let the killers get away with this (illustrated in his letter to Maria "i wish i could let it go but I can't. I have to take these people to justice"). He didnt go to Seatle for Ellie but because he couldnt let it go himself either.
At the end of the game this situation is mirrorred when Tommy goes to Ellie to ask het find and kill Abby. Ellie doesnt want to go at first. Her family comes first now. But later that night she realises she can't let Abby go. So she goes to find her. Dina first thinks she goes because of Tommy saying: "you don't owe Tommy anything." But Ellie makes it clear she goes for herself (saying she can't eat or sleep as long as she didnt kill Abby)
4:00 That was a really awkward hug but I feel like Ellie needed it to last longer
Lol why is it awkward
Lidaa letap I guess I just felt like if I was in Ellie’s shoes I’d be kind of embarrassed 😂
He offers a hug and based on his reaction it seems she hugged him tighter than he expected, and she realizes this too so she readjusts her grip and then he awkwardly says “ok” (like “this hug is over now”) as he gently pries her off him and she just stands there. It feels so real, like something I could see happening to me, so it made me internally cringe a bit, ha
If anything it just goes to show how in-character the actors were when filming this scene
@@QuillWorks Damn lol I didn't expect a reply and explanation that quick xD. Yeah I guess I can see why you think it's awkward. We need more Tommy and Ellie scenes in my opinion. I like the relationship they have, they seemed close.
Lidaa letap Haha yeah I was on my phone and the notification popped up so I saw it right away. And yeah, I liked their relationship too
I think the reason the hug went that way was because they were both already fighting back tears, so when the hug came it made it even more difficult and had it lasted any longer they both would be bawling.
2:13 Can you IMAGINE what Joel would've done if it had been Ellie or Tommy? We would've seen a true demon come alive.
That’s would be scary, I feel like Joel would go on a rampage.
You see what he did while he was half dead knowing Ellie was still alive? I shudder at thought of what would have happened if Abby killed Ellie instead of Joel
@@Yougotcaged102but that’s not vengeance. That’s saving her. It’s different
@@soccerkingfenich347 That's not the point
2:13
Although I have no doubt that is true, but I also genuinely believe that Joel would never want Ellie or Tommy or anyone else to avenge him.
Why so sure? We never saw joel take revenge.
@@leonpaelinck So do you think Joel would’ve wanted them to avenge him?
I don't think any of them would want anyone to avenge them but that's not what's gonna happen
That's the thing, no one wants their loved ones for your loss, but pain still exists and they'll want some kind of revenge in return
@@leonpaelinck Do you really think Joel would want Ellie to get killed by Abby?
Bro destroyed half of the firefly organization to save her.
2:14 hits me because it is true
It gets me every time. It’s all the justification I needed to hear. I love how Tommy says “no he wouldn’t” while looking away and knowing he can’t argue with that fact. Which is also the guilt trip that motivated him to leave that night.
scampoli25 I think Tommy left because of what Joel would have done, but also because he felt responsible for Joel’s death.
FenderMan91 That is very true, if Tommy didn’t tell them their names Abby’s group wouldn’t have known who they were till they got to Jackson. I also think Tommy is doing this for Joel in the sense that he knows Joel wouldn’t have wanted Ellie putting herself in any kind of danger.
scampoli25 totally agree with you. That’s my response to every single “but Joel wouldn’t walk into a room full of strangers and give his name!” He only did because Tommy had already told Abby their names. It would have been extremely sketchy if he said a different name. I think Tommy knew that Ellie would still leave as soon as she found out that he was gone, but figured he’d clear some of the danger before she could even catch up to him.
FenderMan91 Exactly. Which is why I liked the justification to go to Seattle went from revenge mission, to going to get Tommy. It was also fun how they made following Tommy similar to the Bill’s town mission where you are learning things about Bill while avoiding traps.
Jeffrey Pierce stole the show in this game.
I know right? Especially in this scene the shaky breaths, etc.this scene is just heart wrenching. Hes trying so hard to convince ellie to stay in Jackson where's she safe but he knows its a losing battle from the moment she let's him in the door.
in this scene you can tell why Joel gravitated towards Ellie, because he resonated with her, he saw the closest thing in his 20 year experience in this world as himself/his daughter in her. and Tommy saw it too, how much Joel meant to her even when trying to dissuade her from going on a quest to avenge him, Tommy saw the closest thing he has to a niece 2:38
1:54 Tommy can’t even bring himself to look Ellie in the eyes. I honestly think he would have broken down if he did.
Ellie was really looking for a hug 😞
3:11 was the moment Tommy decided he was going first.
I hope there's a dlc we play as tommy
I just hope if they make a Last of us 3 I just hope they don’t make us play as Abby again
@@miguelblanco810 same here. For me they can show her here and there but taking up half the game playing as her was ridiculous. They should have cut it shorter
@@miguelblanco810 I doubt they will after receiving all this fan backlash. Hell even the fans who liked Abby thought her section dragged on a bit.
@@miguelblanco810 she was just a filler to represent trans people in this game, so yeah I'm pretty sure she won't be in the next one
@@miguelblanco810 yeah we played as abby way more than we played like ellie this was really annoying
Tommy literally ended up looking like Joel. Brothers for life 🙏🏽
My favourite part about this scene was the fact Ellie had no idea the whole time Tommy was saying those things to convince himself not to go
Protect Tommy at all cost please 😭😪
@TheLatiosnlatias02 He didnt
@TheLatiosnlatias02 he was unconscious through all of it, I’m pretty sure he didn’t let him die
Fucking Druckmann almost killed him too
@TheLatiosnlatias02 he was unconscious what did you want him to do?
@TheLatiosnlatias02oh yeah! he'd still be conscious after 4 forceful gunwhips! Thats what you think?
Tommy is the most wholesome dude. It’s a shame that their vengeance quest leads him to a pretty rough spot
Me and some people I have seen have on the internet have interpreted this scene very differently.
The way I see is that Tommy was always planning to leave for Seattle and went to Ellie to try convince her not to come along with him but when he realised she wouldn't budge he decided to leave early by himself.
I have seen other argue that Tommy didn't plan to go but Ellie's ''goading'' is what made him change his mind (but he still didn't want her to get hurt so he left her behind).
He indeed came to make sure she doesn't go with him one way or another. Talking to Maria was just him buying some time to leave and clear the road for Ellie.
He singlehandedly wiped out like 1/6 of all WLF.
Was I the only one who was crying for a fucking week cause of Joel's death
My man Tommy's a dark horse 😂 everyone thinks he's this peace loving softie and while to some extent he is, the dudes got a baaad side. I'd love for naughty dog to either make a game showing us the 3 days in Seattle from his view, or a game set in the 20 years between the outbreak and Sarah's death, to the first game. Show us the horrific things Joel and Tommy did, rather than tell us. I just want to play as Tommy man 😩😩😩 never played as him before and he's shown he's just as capable and ruthless as Joel. I've felt Ellies sadness and bloodlust at her father dying, now put me in Tommy's shoes and show me his, because Joel basically raised Tommy and protected him his whole life. Also Tommy remembers life before all this and he helped raise Sarah. There's way more history there than Ellie has, and I think that could make for an even better revenge/emotional story.
Thats why tommy is my favourite character. Hes a good real dude and a badass
In my opinion, I dont think tommy will let Ellies Abby-spare go off so easily, Or i dont think he will forgive her at all.
He lost his brother, the one who grew up with him even before the end of the world, loved him, survived and so on. He went blind and became a cripple causing him to lose Maria as well, fueling a hatred for Abby even bigger. He didnt see or thought of any of Abbys perspectives and wouldnt understand why Ellie let her go. And nothings connecting Tommy and Ellies relationship anymore
I never thought of it like that… FU-😖
I mean she can just lie to him and say she didn't find Abby. Ellie is also like the last thing his brother truly cared about, i think he would let it slide after some time.
I love this scene
i love this game
I love TLOU
I love TLOU and TLOU2
I love every NAUGHTY DOG game
For the first time after watching this, I saw the adult Ellie and not the child, it’s amazing
After Joel's death
(Joel wakes up in the empty dark place)
Joel: Where am i? Ellie?
(Then, Joel is walking and scream Ellie's name)
Joel: Ellie!?
And then:
Mysterious girl: Dad?
Joel: Ahh! Who's there?
(Joel look around to find the girl who call him)
Mysterious girl: Dad, it's me
(Then there's a white light shining infront of Joel's eye, and the one who call him is Sarah)
Joel: Sarah?
Sarah: Yes dad it's me
(Joel looking at his beutiful daughter who right now is a grown woman and Joel eyes were started to tear, Joel run towards Sarah and hug her)
Joel: Oh baby girl i'm sorry
Sarah: No dad, don't be sorry it's okay you, me and mom, we're together now.
Joel: I miss you my baby girl.
Sarah: I miss you to dad.
This is underrated
Do it after Ellie's death please
Your comment made me cry :'(
Damn❤
Damn, that was Ellie best half....
he was like a father figure... :(
If it was Ellie, who died, Joel would’ve gone full, John Wick on them
One of my fav cut scenes
I love so much the facial expression of Tommy in 3:17
If they went together it wouldn’t have gone so badly.
Everyone loves Joel and Ellie but Tommy is a really good guy. He doesn’t even want to do half the shit he does but he’s just loyal to a fault
You can tell he wants to keep Ellie out of this and safe so he can do it himself. It is his brother and knows Joel wouldn’t want her to go.
I think Tommy decides to go to Seattle because he wants to prevent Ellie from going there…
Because that is what Joel would have wanted him to do, in order to save Ellie
I just don't understand how they could even put this scene in the game when the ending just completely negates it. This game did such a disservice to the first it's almost impressive.
Excatly lmao she hates him wtf is this game 🤣
You know the story better than the guy who wrote it? Cool.
@@adrianarias6418 Are you implying that you can only know and understand what a "good story" is if you're the one who wrote it? Are you fucking brain dead?
How this scene is negated exactly?
@@OrehBelich92 Because she decides to take the "high road" and she let's abby go thus leaving joels death completely pointless in every aspect, it's all for nothing.
I like the idea of them going together to Seattle instead of dina, it would have been a great bonding experience for them as Joel's loss was really personal for both of them when Dina only went because of Ellie and not because she felt a need to avenge his death. But I also feel like dina served a purpose, she was there to make Ellie question if it was really worth it while Tommy would have probably wanted for them to go through with it all. I can see why many would have liked that plot better though, and I'm not blind to some of the flaws this game has, but I also really do love the story they decided to tell and I'm not sure having Tommy instead of dina would have created the same result. I have to admit tho I always hated what they did with Tommy at the end, I honestly would have preferred for him to die than survive just to guilt trip Ellie later. It's one of the few scenes I really felt were out of character (another one was Ellie not going with Jesse to save Tommy and leaving him alone), besides Ellie was already broken and on edge, anyone could have made her leave again for example Jesse's parents or Maria after being widowed. But anyways I do agree that having their bond expanded on would have been lovely and this scene is phenomenal, you can really see Joel was the glue between them in a way but also how genuinely they care for each other as family
Joel was the best and now he is gone.😭
We need an alternate game where either Tommy or Ellie was the killed and see the story of how Joel would take revenge.
"if it were you or me Joel would be halfway to Seattle by now" makes me tear up, because tommy knows it most and she is practically his niece so lying to her has to be hard
I think Tommy was planning to go to Seattle the whole time, but he knew that Ellie cared about Joel so much and tried to protect her from a journey that he knew would inevitability end up in blood.
Days through Seattle with Ellie and Tommy is ten times better than Dina, in previous game Ellie get to travel with a father figure and this should be about Ellie going with an Uncle figure.
Dina was so extra....extra annoying
The way the hug makes me feel like there more like uncle and niece ❤
Idk if I'm delusional but I can hear Gabriel Luna's Tommy when I close my eyes, he did such a good job on the show.
They really need to make a tommy three days in seattle
It's look like tommy trying to hold his tear right there after he said "okay" so maybe, just maybe, he don't want to show his weakness, pretending that he don't want to revenge, or redemption, he didn't show any emotion, but deep inside he's crying, he broken.
ellie loved joel so much.
so sad they had to part while ellie was in her douchebag phase.
Part 3 should have a section set between outbreak day and 1 of Joel's history
Ellie looked like she needed that hug
Tommy and Joel look so much alike. I feel like there should've been more emotion in this scene. In the whole game, really. Imo the game was such a waste of a potential opportunity to make you FEEL something, to expand upon real human connections like the first game laid out. All for a big ol generic shock factor.
I very much miss the time when the first game was all that was canon. I'm seriously gonna pretend it's still that way.
I went on the dictionary to look for the word loyalty...... Ellie was my result.
I think my favorite part of this scene is “What are you doing?!” There is _so much_ packed into just those four words: frustration, anger, pain, desperation.
2:14 Joel without hesitation would definitely go straight to Seattle to kill whoever killed Ellie, the only imagine close to his daughter that he loves so much or his own blooded brother, Tommy, who both went through so much shit together to survive. Joel is a murderer and a coldhearted person, but he would avenge his loved one and take revenge on those people or person that took someone so dearly, meaningful to his life. Joel’s not that fucked up and coldhearted to not get his ass off the couch and go 500 miles and more to kill some people or an army who killed his loved one. 😤🖤
I feel like Joel would have absolutely lost it if Abby killed Ellie instead. To him, it’d probably be like losing Sarah all over again - but this time it’d be Ellie. Joel would have definitely went straight to Seattle to get revenge for Ellie’s death and possibly go straight into killer mode. He would have lost himself along the way too, because it seemed that Ellie was the only one keeping him sane.
@@evelynmorrison9529 no he would not, you guys understood nothing about who is Joel Miller.
@@lucasmorais4471 you obviously don’t. Because Joel would have 100% went to Seattle to revenge Ellie’s death if the roles were reversed.
@@lucasmorais4471 who is Joel then? Dude admitted to being a hunter in part 1, how could you possibly think revenge is something he doesn’t believe in
tommy deserves his own game
I honestly thought tommy would want to not let them get away with it because it’s his brother
He was manipulating Ellie into staying put while he ran off to avenge him by himself.
He wanted Ellie to stay cuz it will be Joel's wish for her not to endanger herself to avenge his death.
@@edwardatlas5438 he was too over the hill for that
y'all got a towel or anything?
@GalacticHypernova y'all should come back with us
@GalacticHypernova It's a valid point
How about a... rag? Lol
@My h3ad BRUH
i’m tommy, y’all should come back with us
The last of us part 1.was and still is a masterpiece of the game.
It's a combination of style and unique characters that is very hard to replicate even with most talented story writers in naughty dog,that's why many hardcore fans are very disapointed with this sequel,because they all expected something else...something close to that first masterpiece.
On technical level engine is amazing with almost photorealistic renderings of the characters and very advanced motion capturing,but from my personal perspective i believe that TLOU story should be over with part II.
Pushing away part III would be senseless and it would only ruin the amazing story we all loved even further,in general everything would just become spanish soap opera or some type of milking cow on life support.
When we are talking again about part II,i believe that different story it wouldn't be possible anyway,because Sarah died many years ago,and Joel is now old and just a pale shadow of a man that he use to be...on top of that Ellie is not a child anymore,she is a grown up woman more then capable to take care of herself,and also with her own personal demons to fight.
So realistically there is no space or material for two of them to continue they amazing journey,it cant be done even with best writers in the world...
This series is over and gone forever,but we can still pay respect to the naughty dog for amazing work they done..
Long paragraph
@@no_name8554 so why comment about something you are not going to read anyway ?I'm curious for all of those "wow this comment is long" replies I keep find...
Abby and Lev still have potential for a part3. The lost fireflies at the radio.
I want the part 3 to be the big conclusion. The big conclusion being what happened to the scars, seraphites, wlf, jackson and rattlers.
I like how Tommy cares about Ellie
1:55 reminds me about ellie and joel last conversation . Joel look away too when ellie looking at joel about that rescue in hospital 😂
What hurt me the most is that Joel died thinking Ellie and tommy got klled too
She loved him so much. 😭
Any complaints you have against the story of this game i may understand but everything else specially the acting was phenomenal
Ellie. I‘m already a demon.
It's a valid point!
Tommy looks and sounds so much like Joel when he's talking to her. From the way that he speaks, to even his mannerisms.
Think about this: What a plot twist if in the third game, this is all just revealed to be a bad dream.
That at the end of the game, Joel wakes up in his bed, the day after his birthday, and all this never happened. Sarah is still very much alive, and Ellie is revealed to be one of Sarah's friends from school, or something like that.
Marlene is revealed to be one of Sarah's teachers from school she goes to. David, from the first game, is revealed to be that big contractor that Joel needed to do business with, Bill is revealed to be Joel's auto mechanic, and Tess is revealed to be Joel's girlfriend.
I kinda wish Bill was mentioned in the second game.
@@evelynmorrison9529 he was
She sparks the flame of revenge, but in the end she was the first to snuff it out. In her journey to revenge, she keeps spilling blood of people who actually don't have anything to do with Joel's death (except Abby's friends ofc). For someone with empathy, that's like flogging your own back with a whip.
I’ve seen people point out this as bad writing since Tommy says that he doesn’t want to go after Abby in this scene and then blines it to Seattle the next however in my eyes he was doing this to protect Ellie since he did not want her going after him when he left
Lol..Joel would be halfway to Seattle by now. So true and there'd already be a trail of bodies behind him
Good ol' Uncle Tommy
Anybody notice at the end how the roles flip? Tommy wants Abby dead badly while Ellie wants to live her life
(after loving and waiting for years for the release)
joel gets his head smashed...
i just cant... im so depresed just cause of this game :(
i wont even buy this game cuz of this
It breaks my heart too, but don't let that make you miss an amazing game experience, please?
do not buy this game , the more sales this game gets the more "subversion" you can expect in future products
I bought the game 2 days ago and just started to play it earlier but when joel dies i stopped playing and threw the game to the garbage i waited for years to play again as joel not to watch him get fucked up
@@AnotherGameNerd5 i wont buy the game but ill get over it soon also i litteraly ended up crying for more than 2-3 days i think XD
@@janntejada8255 You can give it to me if you dont want it xD
Tommy trying to reason why they can’t go, to talk Ellie down, and all the time his leg is shaking. He’s antsy. He’s already out the door himself, taking matters into his own hands, keeping her safe.
Tommy is the best
Its such a fantastic argument because everything both of them say is 100% right.
when tommy goes to see her and tells her to stay home so tommy can go after abby..that scene makes me think he would never leave ellie in the end..
2:07 you did not think about that when you saw Abby and her group? What?
Come on Tommy.
Take revenge of your brother and protect Ellie at any cost as you're a uncle to her.
Tommy is so calm in this scene and then in Seattle he becomes a god damn maniac
would Joel really go after them? He would to SAVE her, but to avenge her? He never killed for revenge
I've been thinking about that a lot too. Especially since Joel changed a lot since they came to live in Jackson, and really took on the role of a gentle, patient, caring father and member of a community. I'm not sure if he would go after them.
@@peyneust well you never knew if Ellie got killed definetly Joel would have changed and 70% sure he would avenge her and then kill himself
@@smoker5989 so true..losing loved one can change you..believe me i've been there
So she wanted revenge and when tommy asked her the second time she backed out. Lost his eye and family for nothing
I am bursting in tears every time i see this... Joel did not deserve this
JOEL AND SARAH ARE TOGETHER ❤️ 🙏🙏
“If it were you or me joel would be halfway to Seattle already”
Joel would deal with the WLF, then travel to the island and kill all the seraphites😂
Indeed, but Joel wouldn’t want Ellie to take revenge for him.
If you know tara from the walking dead,she's the only one who can play ellie in the last of us HBO