"For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?" The Gospel of Mark Poor Rich. When More describes the bribes at Court, Rich's desire increases. More should have warned him of the treachery of their perilous times, and how displeasing the King leads to execution.
@@michaelbayer5094 *and how displeasing the King leads to execution* Moore kept his honor. Richard sold his. Seriously, what has changed? We see the former speaker of the house who is worth over $100 million. Her pay per year is less than $200K.
I was a teacher when I saw this and felt exactly the same way as Rich; that what I was doing didn't matter; that it was of no use. To me, I was just another "...brick in the wall." as Pink Floyd put it. It's now 33 years later; I left teaching and then returned, and thankfully, finally know what More meant. God is a great public.
I have spent most of my adult life teaching. Adults in a vocational environment and more recently to ride motorcycles. Years after, students will remember you long after you have forgotten them. We make a difference to their lives.
A good teacher is worth their weight in gold. The can transform lives, they can help someone create a vision for the lives and help them go about achieving it.
@@johne.taylor2457 They were all evil politicians, it's how one survived in that world as such. Rich died in bed, 70+ years old, had many children and a career serving several monarchs with wildly divergent religious views. If given a choice I'd rather be Rich than Cromwell or More, even though he is considered an arch villain by modern historic fiction writers. He was a survivor, and thrived in a dangerous place and time. That has a virtue all it's own. Remember that what is portrayed in movies is only in the movies. Even in the movies though, I'd rather be Rich.
'If I was, who would know about it?' 'You! Your pupils, your friends. God. Not a bad public, that.' In today's terms, the shallowness of celebrity may well involve a terrible public. A shallow bunch of fans and hangers-on. With the death watch beetles ready to hollow out a reputation once a celebrity dies. More gives Richard Rich very good advice that is very apt today.
@@viborgvee8399 Oh Lord, if only this man understood that the story of humankind is one of consideration of the past to apply its lessons to the present to better our future.
The script for this screenplay may be the highest achievement of any screenwriter in history. If he had done nothing else, Robert Bolt would be an immortal for this alone.
He had performed the stage version hundreds of times, so he knew the role backwards and forwards. Leo McKern had played Cromwell in many of those performances, so he also was very well rehearsed.
@@westlock That doesn't alter the fact that Scofield was born to play Thomas More. This is proven further by the fact that Scofield was uncomfortable acting in front of a camera and had to rethink his performance when making the film.
One of my favourite lines in this film was when More notices Rich wearing a new office and is told he has been appointed Attorney General of Wales. Mores response was, it profits a man little to sell his soul for the whole world, but for Wales?
Thank you. I was raised Catholic, but hold no real heroes; aside from folks like Thomas Moore and Martin Luther. I know your comment may bring some negativism, but I look at it as just a declaration of a fine human being.
@@zachariatekawaare4761 Nice comment; but all the same - whether Protestant or Catholic, these are all God's people fighting for humanity. Let's all care the less for perceived differences.
@@zachariatekawaare4761 I should sooner belong to the faith founded by Christ Himself, whilst He walked upon the Earth, than anything "new and developing".
0:56 What Thomas More says: 'Well, if you know Cromwell, you don't need my help.' What he means: 'Well, if you associate with Cromwell, then God help you.'
Try waiting for your boss all night and as soon as they arrive they play fucking mind games It wasn't a test, it was a demonstration of More kicking a dog and feeling smug about it
@Teh Goat Yes and the bribe was a straightforward demonstration of why he shouldn't seek a place at court. Either Richard Rich could withstand the temptation or he couldn't, and More obviously thought he couldn't (correctly). So he made the argument that he should avoid the temptation, a good argument. He offered him a job, not a kick, and it's not a bad job either. A servant, a house, no danger, reasonable hours and 50 pounds a year isn't bad. Indeed More might have preferred it to his own job. Yes Richard Rich had ambitions, but he didn't have the character to justify them and everyone knew it. More told him as straight as he could, the opposite of game playing.
I'll re-state it slightly -- it's a test of Rich's Christian character. Do not covet worldly things, seek your final treasure in Heaven with God. More knows in his heart Rich can't withstand even the simplest temptations of this material world. What's more, he likes Rich and wants him to live a "good" life (again, in the Christian sense) which is why he suggested the teaching job and to live the "simple life." But Sir Thomas needed to show Rich WHY teaching would be the better option for him, hence the test with the silver goblet.
Rich is one of those dangerous types who'll do anything for advancement. Much like in Julius Caesar where Caesar points out Cassius stating "Cassius has a lean and hungry look about him-such men are dangerous." Of all the Shakespeare we read in high school that quote is the one that stuck with me. I've seen plenty of it in my 20 years in the workforce.
Brilliant. The first camera shot says it all. Rich has been waiting for 2 days, scheming in his head. He is immediately rebuked by a lowly boatmen. "Mind the way, sir." He walks away dejected. Perfect example of the mediocre type that is attracted to politics and the Faustian bargain he must make.
🤔l luv your insightful comment here that is indeed a challenge for many a man; reminded of Alexa Zorba in Zorba The Greek when Basil his Boss asks are you married Zorba, and Zorba's response: Is a man not Stupid, am I not a man, I am a man... So I married: wife, children, house, everything, the full catastrophe 😏🙃😉 Who wouldn't be tempted... Perhaps only a man like Alexa Zorba, now wiser with ageless experiences and perception on what life has to offer and who he is...a man that knows sometime you have to undue your belt and go out and look for trouble...
To travel by boat along the snaking Thames from Hampton Court to Chelsea would be approximately 18 miles. Assuming the boatman could row at 5mph non stop (a very brisk walking pace) it would take over three and a half hours. Then travelling back of course. So that's seven hours rowing almost non stop at 5mph, without a break. Would have to be a superman with tireless arms of iron to achieve that!
Eighteen miles seems a bit high looking at a map but it's certainly at least fifteen or sixteen miles. However, a professional oarsman could maintain 3 mph for hours and with the tide in your favour you could easily pick up another 5 mph. Going upstream would take much longer of course.
The growing good of the world is partly dependent on unhistoric acts; and that things are not so ill with you and me as they might have been, is half owing to the number who lived faithfully a hidden life, and rest in unvisited tombs. Eliot, George
This scene defines the character of both men. Rich received the bribe and effectively converted it to his own use, rather than treating it for what was...a corrupted, putrid, sinful temptation. No just cause arises from a wrongful act. Ex turpi causa non oriter actio". A legal maxim today derived from Catholic teaching. So Rich should have tried to return it, if not, give it to someone else... Generally dispose of it. More knew that. That's why he tested Rich, who failed miserably.
I can watch this movie forever. One of the greatest political films ever. Great scene. Your pupils, family and friends, God. Not a bad public that. Brilliant. Instead he sold his soul for Wales.
I'm descended from Richard Rich. Not too sure how proud we should be of that, lol. RICHARD RICH, 1ST BARON OF LEEZ (1496-1567) 14TH GREAT GRANDFATHER WINIFRED RICH (1534-1578) DAUGHTER OF RICHARD JOHN NORTH (1551-1597) SON OF WINIFRED JOHN NORTH (1570-1619) SON OF JOHN RICHARD NORTH (1595-1667) SON OF JOHN SUSANNA NORTH (1621-1692) DAUGHTER OF RICHARD JANE MARTIN (1656-1684) DAUGHTER OF SUSANNA ESTHER HADLEY (1676-1729) DAUGHTER OF JANE NATHAN GOODWIN (1714-1821) SON OF ESTHER BENJAMIN GOODWIN (1748-?) SON OF NATHAN BENJAMIN C GOODWIN (1780-1856) SON OF BENJAMIN ARCHIBALD BENJAMIN GOODWIN (1815-1896) SON OF BENJAMIN C CHRISTOPHER RANKIN GOODWIN (1846-1930) SON OF ARCHIBALD BENJAMIN ELLIS BRITTON GOODWIN (1870-1937) SON OF CHRISTOPHER RANKIN VERNON GOODWIN (1917-1985) SON OF ELLIS BRITTON MAURICE ROSS GOODWIN (1936-2002) SON OF VERNON MICHAEL ROSS GOODWIN (me) (1968- ) SON OF MAURICE ROSS
@@mikegoodwin2386 We split after John North (1551-1597) John North (your ancestor) his brother Dudley North 1581-1666 (is my ancestor). I think we are about 18th cousins or so.
@@mikegoodwin2386 Just think what Richard would think, 15,000 + descendants. Even the North family who may have larger numbers of lineage. Crazy math if you think about it. I got my info from LDS when it was free online in the late 1990s.
This is the only film dealing with Tudor England that I have ever encountered which features Richard Rich as a main character. Very strange when you consider the extraordinary lengths of his career. What a politician he must have been!
Not a handsome man, in fact I think as a younger man he was downright ugly, but a marvelous actor, with an enchanting voice, and a compelling look. He didn't shy away from difficult roles; I can't always handle them but I often end up watching anyway. What a loss it was when he passed away, but what a body of work he left behind. One of my favorites.
It probably wasn't intended in the script.... It may just have been John Hurt's terrific performance, but I think that Rich would have been loyal to More.
Please. Condescension and arrogance run rampant in the Internet Age, and JP is one of the only people even _trying_ to tell people to be less than their online popularity.
Tridhos. A better ending, perhaps, but Rich kept his head and lost his eternal character, More lost his head but preserved his eternal character. I suppose that whichever a person thinks better is one measure of that person. Not that I personally would claim to stand beside Sir Thomas More, but there is, perhaps, a middle ground? "Be a teacher." Perhaps an unremarkable, remembered, but honourable life is better than an eternity of damnation in the mouths of men.
Great lines but Sir Thomas wasn't content to remain a great lawyer. An ambitious man telling someone else to restrain their own ambition is inviting trouble.
Tridhos Yeah print tge Bible in English, twist its interpretation to fool people into heresy and gather enough numbers to overthrow the government and remake the country, like what the Puritans and Huguenots did.
Elizabeth l had Catholic priests who refused to give up their faith for the novel protestant anti-biblical doctrines hunted down and butchered by drawing and quartering. Look it up and see what gruesome thing it is. Under her reign an expectant mother who harbored such priests was placed on a stone floor with a pointed rock under her back. A very heavy door was placed over her. Large stones were placed on top of the door until she was crushed. I have never read in a single history book and I have read many written by protestants, that St Thomas More ever had anyone burned at the stake. Please provide references.
@@ambrosemclaren145 Well you clearly need to do some more research. Any academic history of More will cover his prosecution of heretics and his apparent satisfaction with their fate. You can read More's own Apologia or modern biographies by Richard Marius or Peter Ackroyd.
Rich passed with flying colors, both in the test and real life. It's More who actually wasn't suitable for the compromises required of public office. He's the one who should have been a teacher.
Considering Moore's enthusiasm for burning "heretics" (Which included those who read the Bible in English), and his unwillingness to see past his own moral obsessions for the good of state (being a statesman), I agree. He should have been the Schoolhouse zealot, but clearly he had a pride and a desire to impose his power on others, otherwise he would never have sought the political ascension he achieved.
"Few historical accounts have managed to make the tale of Rich's career anything better than despicable in its opportunism and chameleon-like profession of religious belief." Diarmaid MacCulloch from Thomas Cromwell: A Revolutiohary Life, 2018.
@@zvonimirtosic6171 I think the idea of the OP was More was too morally noble the dishonest world of politics was beneath his superior moral character. He should have entered into a more quiet, private life is the argument. Not that he wasn't fit or a great statesman. Of course, one needs honest statesmen, but maybe More's disposition wasn't that kind of honesty. Maybe his was that more fit for a quiet life without the troubles he underwent.
It's important for people to get an idea of just how terrible a person Thomas More was. There are no decent men in this film if you know your history. In reality, he was literally no better than Rich - regardless of how this fictional film chooses to portray him.
@@Jordan22220 I'm not sure those he personally had burned at the stake would agree! But I guess being an evil murderer is fine as long as it's all done in the name of the church.
Heretics were a threat to society, in an age where freedom of religion and separation of church and state was non-existent. If the state allowed heretics to gain followers they would eventually threaten the monarch himself, as they would want to put one of their own on the throne, like what happened with the Huguenots in France, and the struggle between the Anglicans and Puritans in Britain. Your statement that More was an "enthusiastic" burner of heretics couldnt be farther from the truth as he was tasked as chancellor to implement laws against heresy. It was his job, not his hobby. It seems that its you who dont know squat about history😂
Heretics were a threat to society, in an age where freedom of religion and separation of church and state was non-existent. If the state allowed heretics to gain followers they would eventually threaten the monarch himself, as they would want to put one of their own on the throne, like what happened with the Huguenots in France, and the struggle between the Anglicans and Puritans in Britain. Your statement that More was an "enthusiastic" burner of heretics couldnt be farther from the truth as he was tasked as chancellor to implement laws against heresy. It was his job, not his hobby. It seems that its you who dont know squat about history😂
@@ryangianan1439No. More had no issue with burning heretics and wrote passages praising it - the burning of the flesh. It was cruel and evil. Simply because the Protestants had a different interpretation of Christianity than the Catholic Church, which was extremely corrupt and sold indulgences. The fact that you would defend the vicious murder of people by burning simply because they espoused a different religious belief than you tells me all I need to know about your personal character. And your fundamental lack of morality and empathy.
My favourite film of all time.
"... but for Wales!"
Here we see a man given the opportunity to keep his soul, and reject it.
To exchange your soul for the world is a bad bargain.
But for Wales?
Great comment, great observation.
Beautifuly put
"For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"
The Gospel of Mark
Poor Rich. When More describes the bribes at Court, Rich's desire increases. More should have warned him of the treachery of their perilous times, and how displeasing the King leads to execution.
@@michaelbayer5094 *and how displeasing the King leads to execution* Moore kept his honor. Richard sold his. Seriously, what has changed? We see the former speaker of the house who is worth over $100 million. Her pay per year is less than $200K.
Scofields' solid, quiet, wise performance is unforgettable.
Superb actor. Full of sincerity.
Greatest performance which won the Oscar
@@furdiebant yes! Deeply touching!!!❤
And a distortion of the reality. For balance, "Wolf Hall."
@@andywomack3414 Just as distorted and unbalanced, only from the other side.
I was a teacher when I saw this and felt exactly the same way as Rich; that what I was doing didn't matter; that it was of no use. To me, I was just another "...brick in the wall." as Pink Floyd put it. It's now 33 years later; I left teaching and then returned, and thankfully, finally know what More meant. God is a great public.
I have spent most of my adult life teaching. Adults in a vocational environment and more recently to ride motorcycles. Years after, students will remember you long after you have forgotten them. We make a difference to their lives.
Richard (in the movie) portrayed a historical figure who was a very evil politician.
He should have been a teacher.
Perhaps the most important profession, I would have loved to have the talent for it. Sadly, all that I've learnt will die with me.
A good teacher is worth their weight in gold. The can transform lives, they can help someone create a vision for the lives and help them go about achieving it.
@@johne.taylor2457 They were all evil politicians, it's how one survived in that world as such.
Rich died in bed, 70+ years old, had many children and a career serving several monarchs with wildly divergent religious views.
If given a choice I'd rather be Rich than Cromwell or More, even though he is considered an arch villain by modern historic fiction writers. He was a survivor, and thrived in a dangerous place and time. That has a virtue all it's own.
Remember that what is portrayed in movies is only in the movies. Even in the movies though, I'd rather be Rich.
'If I was, who would know about it?'
'You! Your pupils, your friends. God. Not a bad public, that.'
In today's terms, the shallowness of celebrity may well involve a terrible public. A shallow bunch of fans and hangers-on. With the death watch beetles ready to hollow out a reputation once a celebrity dies.
More gives Richard Rich very good advice that is very apt today.
Oh Lord grant me rest from the constant comparisons with today’s times.
@@viborgvee8399 Oh Lord, if only this man understood that the story of humankind is one of consideration of the past to apply its lessons to the present to better our future.
I'd say that cup could be melted down to precisely 30 pieces of silver.
Later it is said to have cost 100 shillings.
@@NYCZ31 and that the resale value was merely fifty.
"You, your pupils, your friends, God... Not a bad public, that."
Actual great advice that I've actually tried to employ in my own life
Paul Scofield acted with effortless art. What a performer.
Wonderful wonderful actor!❤
Effortlessness. The appearance of which is sometimes the goal. Like George Burns said about sincerity: “If you can fake that, you’ve got it made.”
Autistic bargee
Even this young, John Hurt holds his own with Britain's finest actor.
The two are brilliant!
Hurt is good in this but let's not get carried away.
Scofield eclipsed everybody in this film.
@@ppuh6tfrz646 Yes, but it's also one of those rare films when everyone in it is good.
@@Ruda-n4h I didn't think Corin Redgrave, Susannah York or Colin Blakely were particularly good.
Hurt is outstanding, as usual, but this was a fine ensemble performance. Leo McKern was also excellent as Cromwell.
The script for this screenplay may be the highest achievement of any screenwriter in history. If he had done nothing else, Robert Bolt would be an immortal for this alone.
It is every bit as real as "Game of Thrones."
And he is almost never mentioned as the source of the great drama and brilliant dialogue. Thanks for your comment.
Schofield was born to play Sir Thomas More. What a masterful film.
Scofield.
He had performed the stage version hundreds of times, so he knew the role backwards and forwards. Leo McKern had played Cromwell in many of those performances, so he also was very well rehearsed.
@@westlock That doesn't alter the fact that Scofield was born to play Thomas More. This is proven further by the fact that Scofield was uncomfortable acting in front of a camera and had to rethink his performance when making the film.
@@ppuh6tfrz646 yes. His finest role!❤
One of my favourite lines in this film was when More notices Rich wearing a new office and is told he has been appointed Attorney General of Wales. Mores response was, it profits a man little to sell his soul for the whole world, but for Wales?
Agreed. Great line. Still applies.
R.I.P. John Hurt (1940-2017)
❤
He is counted, old King Hurt!
Greatest English actor. 👍
Scofield comes across as a genuinely wise man, rather than an actor playing one.
Best comment of all. Thanks.
And also distorts the reality of the time, Suggest "Wolf Hall" for a balancing distortion.
Thank the good Lord for Sir Thomas More......a Catholic man with true faith and supreme conviction.
I am not certain that the protestants of the developing new faith shared your same enthusiasm for sir Thomas.
Thank you. I was raised Catholic, but hold no real heroes; aside from folks like Thomas Moore and Martin Luther. I know your comment may bring some negativism, but I look at it as just a declaration of a fine human being.
@@zachariatekawaare4761 Nice comment; but all the same - whether Protestant or Catholic, these are all God's people fighting for humanity. Let's all care the less for perceived differences.
@@zachariatekawaare4761 just like Richard Rich.
@@zachariatekawaare4761 I should sooner belong to the faith founded by Christ Himself, whilst He walked upon the Earth, than anything "new and developing".
0:56 What Thomas More says: 'Well, if you know Cromwell, you don't need my help.'
What he means: 'Well, if you associate with Cromwell, then God help you.'
Very underrated reply. Props. ☆
A turning point for richard... as Thomas speaks wisdom...
John Hurt and Ian Holm - 2 truly superb actors who gave the Alien film a touch of class
Scofield just exudes honesty and integrity as Sir Thomas More.
He plays the role perfectly.
The best performance by an actor who won the Best Actor Oscar for such performance
Yes! He touches my heart!❤
The scene is a simple test of character -- and Rich flunked it.
Try waiting for your boss all night and as soon as they arrive they play fucking mind games
It wasn't a test, it was a demonstration of More kicking a dog and feeling smug about it
He didn't ask for him to wait all night and he didn't play games. He stated the offer and why he should take it plainly.
@@newperve
He shut down the guy's ambitions of an appointment to Court whilst waving a literal bribe in his face
@Teh Goat Yes and the bribe was a straightforward demonstration of why he shouldn't seek a place at court. Either Richard Rich could withstand the temptation or he couldn't, and More obviously thought he couldn't (correctly). So he made the argument that he should avoid the temptation, a good argument. He offered him a job, not a kick, and it's not a bad job either. A servant, a house, no danger, reasonable hours and 50 pounds a year isn't bad. Indeed More might have preferred it to his own job. Yes Richard Rich had ambitions, but he didn't have the character to justify them and everyone knew it. More told him as straight as he could, the opposite of game playing.
I'll re-state it slightly -- it's a test of Rich's Christian character. Do not covet worldly things, seek your final treasure in Heaven with God. More knows in his heart Rich can't withstand even the simplest temptations of this material world. What's more, he likes Rich and wants him to live a "good" life (again, in the Christian sense) which is why he suggested the teaching job and to live the "simple life."
But Sir Thomas needed to show Rich WHY teaching would be the better option for him, hence the test with the silver goblet.
One of best scene ever I have seen.
What a wonderful scene. I should see this movie.
Have you seen it yet? I know it got somewhat mixed reviews on its release, personally I really enjoyed it
@MaGuffintop I did not regret it!
This is a must-see movie. Classic.
Lucky You -- who has not seen it, and can therefore have that amazing experience to look forward to!
I wish there was a good man to advise me what to do, like Thomas More. *sigh* Thanks for posting this.
Then watch the movie again.
Did you ever get a resolution to the problem that was besetting you?
Incredible movie. Incredible acting.
Rich is one of those dangerous types who'll do anything for advancement. Much like in Julius Caesar where Caesar points out Cassius stating "Cassius has a lean and hungry look about him-such men are dangerous." Of all the Shakespeare we read in high school that quote is the one that stuck with me. I've seen plenty of it in my 20 years in the workforce.
Scofield would have made a good Vulcan...
“Sir Thomas, thank you.”
“........... Be a teacher.”
Brilliant. The first camera shot says it all. Rich has been waiting for 2 days, scheming in his head. He is immediately rebuked by a lowly boatmen. "Mind the way, sir." He walks away dejected. Perfect example of the mediocre type that is attracted to politics and the Faustian bargain he must make.
2.01 - "A man should go where he won't be tempted". I'd love to know of such a place.
I think he meant beyond the measure of his limit
@@Joe-uw5rv very well said.
@@Joe-uw5rv Wise Joe
Thanks guys. Occasionally I get things right.
🤔l luv your insightful comment here that is indeed a challenge for many a man; reminded of Alexa Zorba in Zorba The Greek when Basil his Boss asks are you married Zorba, and Zorba's response:
Is a man not Stupid,
am I not a man,
I am a man...
So I married: wife, children, house, everything,
the full catastrophe 😏🙃😉
Who wouldn't be tempted...
Perhaps only a man like Alexa Zorba, now wiser with ageless experiences and perception on what life has to offer and who he is...a man that knows sometime you have to undue your belt and go out and look for trouble...
To travel by boat along the snaking Thames from Hampton Court to Chelsea would be approximately 18 miles. Assuming the boatman could row at 5mph non stop (a very brisk walking pace) it would take over three and a half hours. Then travelling back of course. So that's seven hours rowing almost non stop at 5mph, without a break. Would have to be a superman with tireless arms of iron to achieve that!
Eighteen miles seems a bit high looking at a map but it's certainly at least fifteen or sixteen miles. However, a professional oarsman could maintain 3 mph for hours and with the tide in your favour you could easily pick up another 5 mph. Going upstream would take much longer of course.
He should have given the silver goblet to him …
More knew the measure of the man in an instant, and it had nothing to do with his stature. It had to do with his appetites.
The growing good of the world is partly dependent on unhistoric acts; and that things are not so ill with you and me as they might have been, is half owing to the number who lived faithfully a hidden life, and rest in unvisited tombs.
Eliot, George
The acting in this scene is sublime.
John Hurt must have been about 12 when this film was made!
Red Squirrel The acting is superb because the casting is superb. Robert Bolt's genius in using the actual court transcripts is icing on the cake.
About 26.
This scene defines the character of both men.
Rich received the bribe and effectively converted it to his own use, rather than treating it for what was...a corrupted, putrid, sinful temptation.
No just cause arises from a wrongful act.
Ex turpi causa non oriter actio". A legal maxim today derived from Catholic teaching.
So Rich should have tried to return it, if not, give it to someone else... Generally dispose of it.
More knew that. That's why he tested Rich, who failed miserably.
Norfolk:"... the moment he realized it was a bribe he dropped it into the nearest gutter."
I love the look More gives Rich at 1:22.
It's brilliant and so understated.
I like the look More gives him at 1.46 when he asks him about the cup - 'what will you do with it?'
I can watch this movie forever. One of the greatest political films ever. Great scene. Your pupils, family and friends, God. Not a bad public that. Brilliant. Instead he sold his soul for Wales.
John Hurt used to look like Ringo Starr... How cute!
Well, the movie was filmed in the mid '60s, the height of Beatlemania.
Back then, EVERYONE wanted to look like a Beatle :-)
Who today could have written this script?
Few scribes remain with the character, decency and talent to do so.
His name is Robert Bolt. Almost everyone has forgotten that he wrote all this wonderful drama and dialogue. May he rest in peace.
RIP John Hurt
Magnificent.
I'm related to Richard Rich and proud of it!
You twoo, be a teacher😂
I'm descended from Richard Rich. Not too sure how proud we should be of that, lol.
RICHARD RICH, 1ST BARON OF LEEZ (1496-1567) 14TH GREAT GRANDFATHER
WINIFRED RICH (1534-1578) DAUGHTER OF RICHARD
JOHN NORTH (1551-1597) SON OF WINIFRED
JOHN NORTH (1570-1619) SON OF JOHN
RICHARD NORTH (1595-1667) SON OF JOHN
SUSANNA NORTH (1621-1692) DAUGHTER OF RICHARD
JANE MARTIN (1656-1684) DAUGHTER OF SUSANNA
ESTHER HADLEY (1676-1729) DAUGHTER OF JANE
NATHAN GOODWIN (1714-1821) SON OF ESTHER
BENJAMIN GOODWIN (1748-?) SON OF NATHAN
BENJAMIN C GOODWIN (1780-1856) SON OF BENJAMIN
ARCHIBALD BENJAMIN GOODWIN (1815-1896) SON OF BENJAMIN C
CHRISTOPHER RANKIN GOODWIN (1846-1930) SON OF ARCHIBALD BENJAMIN
ELLIS BRITTON GOODWIN (1870-1937) SON OF CHRISTOPHER RANKIN
VERNON GOODWIN (1917-1985) SON OF ELLIS BRITTON
MAURICE ROSS GOODWIN (1936-2002) SON OF VERNON
MICHAEL ROSS GOODWIN (me) (1968- ) SON OF MAURICE ROSS
@@mikegoodwin2386 We split after John North (1551-1597)
John North (your ancestor)
his brother Dudley North 1581-1666 (is my ancestor).
I think we are about 18th cousins or so.
@@ericscottstevens that's amazing that we can trace this stuff.
@@mikegoodwin2386 Just think what Richard would think, 15,000 + descendants. Even the North family who may have larger numbers of lineage. Crazy math if you think about it. I got my info from LDS when it was free online in the late 1990s.
This is the only film dealing with Tudor England that I have ever encountered which features Richard Rich as a main character. Very strange when you consider the extraordinary lengths of his career. What a politician he must have been!
Please - tad higher volume. Merci. Love the scene.
Man, Hurt had to be in his 20s wow
The cup was a test. Rich failed. Hence why he was encouraged to become a teacher, not in government
Great movie!
St Thoma More a man of principle.
0:23 Start here:)
John Hurt as Richie Rich, from the comic books?
Friends....must always treated that will in one day they will become your greatest enemy... Napoleon Bonaparte...
I swear, john hurt always looked old
Al Jackson
watch the Wild & the Willing when he was 20! Its on youtube..
Like an old person inside waiting to get out.
Just a little makeup was enough to make him look like he was on the point of death in a movie.
I don't like to say old so much as he had a face that was "well lived in".
Not a handsome man, in fact I think as a younger man he was downright ugly, but a marvelous actor, with an enchanting voice, and a compelling look. He didn't shy away from difficult roles; I can't always handle them but I often end up watching anyway. What a loss it was when he passed away, but what a body of work he left behind. One of my favorites.
nice
It probably wasn't intended in the script.... It may just have been John Hurt's terrific performance, but I think that Rich would have been loyal to More.
He wasn't, even to himself.
He couldn't answer for himself, even so far as tonight
Trust me I'm running to my post April2024 DowntownLosAngeles,California UnitedStatesOfAmerica
Paul Scofield looked like Jordan Peterson with a more commanding voice and much better ideas in this film
if condescension and arrogance fixed things Peterson would be a force for good in this world.
Tidy that room bucko
Jordan Peterson doesn't deserve to be in any conversation about these two fine men. Simply no comparison.
Hehe Peterson sounds like Kermit the frog…
Please. Condescension and arrogance run rampant in the Internet Age, and JP is one of the only people even _trying_ to tell people to be less than their online popularity.
By accepting that silver Richard highlights exactly why he’s not suited for higher office. Weakness exposed.
Scofield looks tired! He must of done this literally truly when not enough sleep! In the movie he had been up all nite
Mandatory for all want a be actors and directors.
Why didn’t he listen.........
Well he did a lot better and died of old age in his bed,a far better ending than More's.
Tridhos. A better ending, perhaps, but Rich kept his head and lost his eternal character, More lost his head but preserved his eternal character. I suppose that whichever a person thinks better is one measure of that person. Not that I personally would claim to stand beside Sir Thomas More, but there is, perhaps, a middle ground? "Be a teacher." Perhaps an unremarkable, remembered, but honourable life is better than an eternity of damnation in the mouths of men.
@@Tridhos but he's gone down as one of the most despicable individuals in English/British history.
@@Tridhos A dreadful geezer - the Tony Blair of his age.
Wasted his words on this most devious and malicious of creatures Richard 1st Baron Rich. One devoid of love of God or the True Faith!
Protestants are the true Faith
Great lines but Sir Thomas wasn't content to remain a great lawyer. An ambitious man telling someone else to restrain their own ambition is inviting trouble.
Sadly, Rich took the Ring, er bribe.
Keir Starmer
Nothing changes does it
Worth noting that the real-life Thomas More was an enthusiastic burner of heretics...
This was still a great play/film, though.
lease2coach1 what’s wrong with that?
and some whose only crime was wanting to print the bible in English.
Tridhos Yeah print tge Bible in English, twist its interpretation to fool people into heresy and gather enough numbers to overthrow the government and remake the country, like what the Puritans and Huguenots did.
Elizabeth l had Catholic priests who refused to give up their faith for the novel protestant anti-biblical doctrines hunted down and butchered by drawing and quartering. Look it up and see what gruesome thing it is.
Under her reign an expectant mother who harbored such priests was placed on a stone floor with a pointed rock under her back. A very heavy door was placed over her. Large stones were placed on top of the door until she was crushed.
I have never read in a single history book and I have read many written by protestants, that St Thomas More ever had anyone burned at the stake.
Please provide references.
@@ambrosemclaren145 Well you clearly need to do some more research. Any academic history of More will cover his prosecution of heretics and his apparent satisfaction with their fate. You can read More's own Apologia or modern biographies by Richard Marius or Peter Ackroyd.
Scofield might be a master, but Hurt was capable of this: ua-cam.com/video/SEEwAvlJOcI/v-deo.html&=90s
Alas, the real Thomas More was not so kind a man.
Deute. 18:10-14,
oh, Saint Thomas, the burner of heretics
those that can, do; those that can't, teach
Those that excel do both.
Those that can't teach, lecture. And those that can't lecture, administrate.
@@ilokivi A lot of witless cliches.
I'd forgotten what a masterpiece this film truly is
Rich passed with flying colors, both in the test and real life. It's More who actually wasn't suitable for the compromises required of public office. He's the one who should have been a teacher.
Thank you for your opinion, Thomas Cromwell.
Considering Moore's enthusiasm for burning "heretics" (Which included those who read the Bible in English), and his unwillingness to see past his own moral obsessions for the good of state (being a statesman), I agree. He should have been the Schoolhouse zealot, but clearly he had a pride and a desire to impose his power on others, otherwise he would never have sought the political ascension he achieved.
"Few historical accounts have managed to make the tale of Rich's career anything better than despicable in its opportunism and chameleon-like profession of religious belief." Diarmaid MacCulloch from Thomas Cromwell: A Revolutiohary Life, 2018.
@@zvonimirtosic6171 I think the idea of the OP was More was too morally noble the dishonest world of politics was beneath his superior moral character. He should have entered into a more quiet, private life is the argument. Not that he wasn't fit or a great statesman. Of course, one needs honest statesmen, but maybe More's disposition wasn't that kind of honesty. Maybe his was that more fit for a quiet life without the troubles he underwent.
@@jonathanheidenreich8565 Source?
It's important for people to get an idea of just how terrible a person Thomas More was. There are no decent men in this film if you know your history. In reality, he was literally no better than Rich - regardless of how this fictional film chooses to portray him.
Wrong. Thomas More was a great man, a saint! He's in Heaven now
@@Jordan22220 I'm not sure those he personally had burned at the stake would agree! But I guess being an evil murderer is fine as long as it's all done in the name of the church.
Heretics were a threat to society, in an age where freedom of religion and separation of church and state was non-existent. If the state allowed heretics to gain followers they would eventually threaten the monarch himself, as they would want to put one of their own on the throne, like what happened with the Huguenots in France, and the struggle between the Anglicans and Puritans in Britain. Your statement that More was an "enthusiastic" burner of heretics couldnt be farther from the truth as he was tasked as chancellor to implement laws against heresy. It was his job, not his hobby. It seems that its you who dont know squat about history😂
Heretics were a threat to society, in an age where freedom of religion and separation of church and state was non-existent. If the state allowed heretics to gain followers they would eventually threaten the monarch himself, as they would want to put one of their own on the throne, like what happened with the Huguenots in France, and the struggle between the Anglicans and Puritans in Britain. Your statement that More was an "enthusiastic" burner of heretics couldnt be farther from the truth as he was tasked as chancellor to implement laws against heresy. It was his job, not his hobby. It seems that its you who dont know squat about history😂
@@ryangianan1439No. More had no issue with burning heretics and wrote passages praising it - the burning of the flesh. It was cruel and evil. Simply because the Protestants had a different interpretation of Christianity than the Catholic Church, which was extremely corrupt and sold indulgences. The fact that you would defend the vicious murder of people by burning simply because they espoused a different religious belief than you tells me all I need to know about your personal character. And your fundamental lack of morality and empathy.
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