People Accept The Old Testament, So That's Proof Of God!? | Talk Heathen: Throwback
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When they ask "can I ignore you and finish myscript" the answer should be always and only *NO*
Ladies and gentlemen...you gave "Bernard" waaayyyyy too much time for his kindergarten philosophy. We are all dumber for having heard his babble.
No, Bernard, YOU are missing the point. Some people believed a specific mythology. Woo-hoo, yippee-yahoo, Book Club has been stuck on one shitty fairy tale collection for MILLENNIA! Literally EVERY religious person does EXACTLY what you are doing to justify their addiction to imaginary worlds and ideas -- you aren't special just because you keep insisting you are and refusing to listen to reality.
How about this: my book -- that LOTS of people accept as 100% true and representative of reality -- says that your book is 100% aged horseshit masquerading as lasagna. Now what?
Just because you like something in a book doesn't mean you can have what's in da book happen in reality. Dats wha crazy people want.
"If you just give me five hours to explain..."
Then if you ask a question, at all, the asshole just talks over you, insisting he's right.
Bernard believes the story because the story is what he believes. It's thought-free, methodless, impenetrable. "You cannot reason people out of positions they didn’t reason themselves into." (Goldacre?)
Fun fact: the bible borrowed myths from much older religions that existed long before Jesus.
Asking how if Mount Sinai didn't happen how were the people it happened to convinced is like asking if the Harry Potter didn't happen why was Ron Weasley convinced he's real.
The reasoning skills of a None Given caller on full display 😄
Guess ol' Bernie here didn't learn English or common decency whilst growing up.
@@tiltingwindmill what do you expect, there’s no hate like Christian love
@@blitzkreg182He’s not christian. He stated that right at the beginning of the call.
You are never going to believe this but Bernard never provided any of the evidence he said he would provide.
There has never been any supporting evidence for any claimed contact with god, yet the religious take these claims seriously....accept, of course, for the claimed contacts with god that they object to. It's amazing how they clutch at straws, rather than accept the fact that there is no evidence.
I’ve heard plenty of ridiculous arguments for god, but this one is near the top of the ridiculous list
All the people were shown how to use fire by Prometheus. The Greeks believed Prometheus was a god. Therefore, it is true that Prometheus fashioned people out of clay, gave fire to humanity and was crucified on a mountain, where birds peck out his liver every day.
This guy’s logic in real life: The leader of North Korea golfed a perfect game the first time he played. We know it’s true because the entire surviving population of North Korea accepted it as true.
It's amazing how much help god gave to his chosen people at every turn 3000 years ago, and now he couldn't give a fu*k!!
It's almost as if he doesn't exist!🤔
Hard core indoctrination.
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How many times can you make the same point in different ways while he continues to ignore it?
It's the most rational explanation, talking snakes and impossible floods and magic spells, it's just rational and logical.
Agreed 👍
There must have been some mass bible misprint that included a list of common logical fallacies, and all these guys read it, and thought they were supposed to follow it. Honestly.
It is so frustrating when they allow the person to just keep babbling while they are talking, I hate hearing people talking over each other 😮💨
Use the damn mute button!
Does Katy have a channel where she just reads stories all day?
"Whatever you're saying I understand!" Bernard can't listen.
I’ve read the Spider-Man comics, and in the New York of the comics, everyone knows Spider-Man is real. Therefore, I know Spider-Man is actually real.
So, could God roll a joint so large that even He could no smoke it ?
They didn't have the book back that then.
This right here! There was not a complete book to go handing out much less to the 3 million people who weren't there
As we all know, God is outside space and time. He can't hear you !
A Nice Calico Cat....And it is Healthy and Happy(and Loved) without "God's" Word.....or Help!!!. BRAVA Katy and her Kat!!!!!.
I love it when host's pets make appearances.
The Jews in Egypt were actually a bunch of professional wrestlers and the Bible is just kayfabe…which is why they accepted it as true.
Sounds like the caller doesn’t know that the Old Testament was written by multiple authors over many centuries.
Every interaction with Bernard must be an absolute nightmare. What an insufferable windbag.
He refuses to let anyone else speak. He refuses to listen.
His lack of comprehension is impressive…. 😂
I don't love it when you let them preach at you for so long.
Way too long on a pointless, unproductive, incoherent call. Àaarrrrggggggg!
He is just interested in preaching.
Bernard is not a mensch
WOW😂😂😂😂
Dude tried to explain an entire story in the bible that most everyone already knows all so he can say "the people in the book believed the things in the book they were in"
Like yea dude Harry Potter genuinely believed in Voldemort but that doesn't make any of it true lol
You trying to tell me that the people who wrote Harry Potter made everything up and Harry didn't catch that? That book was ABOUT him how could be believe something about himself if it was all a lie???? Checkmate: Avoldemortists
No one ‘accepted it’, they were taught to follow it blindly and without question - that is a massive difference. God did not lie??!! For told the first lie in the bible when he told Adam and Eve they would die that day if they eat from the tree!
The book is true because the book says it's true.... I don't think the caller has the capacity to understand basic logic. They also lack any semblance of self reflection.
I didn't enjoy this conversation as much as I usually do. Around 9:30, the caller was finally allowed to make his point. His entire argument was very specific. He asserted that the people mentioned in the Old Testament were real people who had the opportunity to reject the story written about them. Nothing else he said was a premise in his argument, but the hosts beat him up at every turn as if every one of his dubious statements were central to his argument.
Somewhere after 20 minutes into the conversation, the caller repeated his claim that the people being talked about in the Old Testament had the opportunity to reject the story if it wasn't true. To me, the only worthwhile thing to discusss at that point was the span of time between the writing of the story in the Old Testament and the actual people being written about. If it was a large time-span, then the caller's arguments would be entirely baseless.
I'm just one person listening, so my desire for a certain flow in a discussion isn't an objective critique.
Your comment is pretty baseless.
@martinboyd447 I'm glad to hear from you, but I don't understand. If you have a reason for your comment, I honestly want to know it.
He asserted that people written about were real. So what? He has no way of demonstrating the truth of his assertion. You and the caller, don’t seem to understand the Old Testament was written over the course of between 7 to 11 centuries, and was only compiled into one book, around 165 BC. Also, most people couldn’t read or write in those times.
@reefhog Of course, you're right. 👍
My complaint is that the hosts waited too long to address the caller's actual bogus argument. Sometimes, when you really listen to a caller's bad argument, there's something specific the caller is fixating on, and it's pointless to talk about their other weaknesses.
Yeah, I was ranting, but I'm generally a fan.
Obtuse is the word.
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Pretty sure God lied in Genesis or isn't all knowing or Omni present
Old guy who is used to being listened to and unable to listen to others. Horrible caller. And it gets worse as he exposes that he is very weak minded, unable to use his brain. LISTEN TO THE HOSTS! They point out the problem with your crap reasoning!! Bernard is the prince of circular reasoning.
This guy is not smart enough to understand the counter arguments.
"The book itself says how it was accepted!" Yeah but the book was written long aftter the alleged events. "Yeah but the book says that the people accepted it!"
So, the Old testament could have been written by God...did he use MS Word, or a quill dipped in tar? Bernard falls into the usual apologist hole... don't answer questions.
I feel bad. This person is delusional or just EXTREMELY gullible.
Ben has the naivety of a child. How sad, as he sounds 60+. He appears to never had his faith challenged.😂
*Bernard
It looks like an alien bug. I wonder what she looked like before.
Yet another theist using the bible to prove the bible , how absolutely brainwashed do you have to be to talk like this , ask Bernard .
Repent of your sins. Believe in Jesus for salvation and be born again, becoming a new person in this life. Luke 24:47, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, 2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV
My absolute favorite thing about being a secular agnostic atheist to *ALL* religions and their associated mythology based "holy scriptures"....especially the Christian Buy-Bull...is that I do *_NOT_* have to blindedly believe and make apologies for _ANY_ of their delusional superstitious *_bullshite_* 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You keep ignoring my question. Do you think that slavery is wonderful? *Leviticus 25: 44-45 KJV* Both thy bondmen (archaic for male slaves), and thy bondmaids (archaic for female slaves), which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids. Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession.
This bible verse tells you that it's okay to buy slaves from other nations as well as foreigners who live among you. Do you think that slavery is moral? If no, then why didn't your god simply say "Thou shalt not own humans like property"? Not to forget *Numbers 31: 17-18 KJV*
I gave myself to Jesus, but now he never calls.
is your religinut kool-aid on an IV drip?
Awa and bile yer head, min! There is no jeebuz.
I stopped listening to anything hoomans were saying at 5:30
How stupid was Moses that he got lost in a relatively small desert for forty years?