12:33 Wait, so all these editors know what the one piece is and all of them kept the secret safe, even through heartbreak and endless fans questioning them? Getting a real "Raizo is safe"- vibe here.
I feel like everything who eventually works with oda on one piece turns into a ride or die. I don't remember this correctly but it was mentioned that oda asked a new assistant if they were willing to die for one piece and that if they did die he would take care of his family.
they probably have to sign an NDA when they get hired so as to not leak any information before it comes out. Also they are probably so passionate about One Piece that they don't want to ruin it for anyone especially not Oda
@@y0sh_ I'd assume it's a mix of both. There's no doubt an NDA on that, and even if there wasn't leaking it would definitely cost him his job (and probably ruin his reputation within the industry), but I also don't think you become the editor to the biggest manga ever by chance.
Also i imagine having their careers destroyed if it got leaked that they were the ones who ruined the ending of the highest grossing selling comic in history is a good motivator
mayhaps not the end but the one piece, or parhaps they know just as much as oda or just about a little less, its crazy cool tho, and it really feels like they are his true crewmates that will go down with him xD
That’s a really funny statement. Torishima famously had a notorious temper. When Toriyama first worked on Dr. Slump, there was a famous incident where his editor got on his goose so bad, that Toriyama made the main villain of the series a crude caricature of his editor named “Dr. Mashirito” (his editor’s name backwards). Torishima was going to reject the idea immediately, but they ran out of time and had no choice but to publish the chapter as such. It’s one of those legendary meta jokes that can only be replicated in the fast paced medium of a weekly manga serial. To put into perspective how influential Torishima was, his personality was the main inspiration behind the creation of King Piccolo.
Fun fact: Kouhei Onishi was also the editor of Gintama prior to One Piece. Gintama makes fun of him (and themselves) by making a character named Konishi who was the editor of "Gintaman" and then gets transferred to "One Park" Edit: DONDAKEEEE
@@sudiptaday7875I think he just creates a new plan and plops a character without a pre defined plan. Like Law in Punk Hazard, Bege in Whole Cake or Bonney in Egghead. Maybe Urouge will suddenly fulfil his purpose out of the blue someday
@@Hynerius957 yes please after the big retcon it is all boring anyway, there is 0 risk now just instant win and they even get free pacifista control, boring
Not gonna lie, that bit at the end, with Asada fighting tooth and nail for Oda's work and being the man that literally saved One Piece by pushing so hard for it to be published legit made me tear up. What a legend, that's someone who could see the promise Oda had.
Bro's before hoes any day of the week. Plus them T and C's on that NDA must have been a lot harder to deal with than she would be and that's saying something lol.
Thank the editors for the Worst Gen, they're all interesting characters and without them Sabaody wouldn't have been as iconic, it would have just been sad.
The crazy part is there might have many other ideas and characters that we missed and would never know Like we are imagining how would be onepiece without warlords and worst gen , There might be something we have missed and don't know lol
@jeevanpujara2029 just seeing Oda's initial sketch of the straw hats shows we missed some really wacky crewmates, and sense he's trying to end the story, we're probably missing so many random side stories and characters it's insane. I feel that's a big part of why Oda didn't bring Carrot and Yamato with the crew sense they would need their own character explorations that we don't have the time for at this point
Yep, and I've even heard that there were originally going to be no 7 Warlords, like the Strawhats would've directly fought the Emperors and just ended the series then and there 😭😭 thankfully we did get the 7 Warlords, and even got to explore all of them, it made such a big difference in the overall storyline.
idk man i trust Oda… i think he would’ve found a way to make it equally as impactful even without introducing 10 new characters that he came up with overnight🤣
I read the Bakuman manga, and that taught me alot about manga production. And there were really many types of editor and the mangaka and editor relationship is really important in the success of a series.
6:28 - Tbh, considering we are in the final saga right now, the dude's estimation is actually pretty damn good (especially when you realize what sort of a wild card OP's story is).
When you think about it, if the supernovas weren't a thing then we probably would be about done rn. so he would have been right if not for his own involvement
5:38 i always understood it as the supernovas being a improvised idea not every character being build up from nothing on the spot. Rather taking characters he already made up and put them into that label
Yeah I feel like people ran with that and mythologized it. Most likely he was building these characters for the later arcs for the most part and just revealed them all here.
Maybe he had a rough character concept or story ideas, but that's not a done character. The character designs themselves were created in a few hours. Sure, drafts may have existed for some, but that doesn't remove from the fact that he created a bunch of influential characters in the span of some hours.
Yeah because, as someone who's trying to write a story too, it's easy to come up with a random character idea and then as you go along with the story implement that character more and flesh out a full backstory for them.
Also it could be that the characters were made quickly but without any backstory yet. The backstories we got then were sorted out later when more time was available, like for Bonney and law
@@faceoctopus4571It’s a reference to Jujutsu Kaisen, the original quote is “Are you The Strongest because you’re Satoru Gojo, or are you Satoru Gojo because you’re The Strongest?”
Its funny that one of the editors ex girlfriends got so upset that he wouldn't tell her what the fictional treasure is that she blocked him on everything, thats very petty.
Having a reaction like that is a big red-flag anyway. Her mission was to hold the information that could ruin the journey for everyone if revealed early. Screw that! I never want to know this information until we get it the legit Luffy way.
Editors really are underrated and the unsung heroes of story crafting. Every creator has this unhinged desired to expand on their imagination but without an editor to guide them and keep them in line, the creator may burn themselves out or go too far overboard and ruin their own creation with unneeded fluff.
So you're saying I have to become a _One Piece_ editor to learn what the One Piece is? DONE! I also didn't realize that editors only seem to do 3-4-year stints on the series. I figured the editor would stay for much longer. I wouldn't have been surprised if only one or two editors were in the entire _One Piece_ run.
It's nice to see some editors getting some positive recognition for once. Usually all you hear are stories like Toriyama being forced to keep adding new villains in the Cell saga or Tite Kubo having a horrible relationship with his editors.
Takes one to train one, so I reckon some of his older editors/including the generation 0 ones, def are as good as they need each other for the story to end up like how it is now. I like to imagine Oda as Luffy still training and learning new things as he goes and then his editor is just Rayleigh giving him tips and advices here and there, and he can choose to pick it up, train it, incorporate his own techniques into it, and make use of it
Genius is a completely subjective term. My mom would probably put me somewhere in the top 10 list of geniuses. Doesn't mean it's true. I feel that Oda is incredibly talented in certain ways, but I personally wouldn't be inclined to call him a genius. Call him whatever you want, though
The editor that fought for one piece to get published makes me wonder how many other amazing stories we've missed out on because the author didn't have anyone fight for them
being mangaka is not easy, shonen jump only have slot around 10 "story" per book, author who try to apply probally around 100 or even maybe 1000, and to accept 1 mean remove 1,, its bloody hell.
"Luck" is a huge component in life. Whenever actor Bryan Cranston is interviewed, he will bring it up and hammer home just how important someone's luck component is, even going so far as to say that there is no he knows of, who is successful, that doesn't mention a "lucky break". One quote reads: "It doesn't matter if you're good. If you're just good, you won't succeed. If you have patience and persistence and talent and that's it, you will never have a successful career as an actor. The elusive thing you need is luck." Oda had the talent, but needed both luck and guidance to make One Piece a reality, and I'm glad he was given he was given the chance to make this a reality. Given how off-the-rails Akira Toriyama went with the Buu Saga when editors were told to just leave him be and let him do what he wants, I can understand why there would be people who are concerned that Oda can't be told things to keep him reigned in. I don't think we'll get to a point where we'll get things like the ending of Promised Neverland or Dr. Stone, or the Buu Saga of DBZ, but I do wonder how differently Wano could have been if an editors had stepped in and told Oda "sudden amnesia doesn't work in fiction as a trope."
Shanks loosing an arm did make the moment a lot bigger, but it also feels really inconsistent with how strong we know that he is now, you couldn't imagine other greats like Kaido, White bear, Big Mum just losing an arm like that
It was a good shock value for shanks to lose an arm since it was the beginning of the story. I agree with you though, it seems pretty inconsistent with his power. We all know shanks didn’t actually need to lose an arm he used his haki to scare the beast away lol.
You can also make the argument that he was more focussed on getting there in time than scaring the beast away. I mean, I guess that’s why it’s not a dumbo shark that took his arm but a whole big-ass sea monster. Shanks was a Warlord level power force if I reckon correctly by that time, so I guess, in a stretch, he made a mistake because he was in a hurry. Sometime I spot stupid decisions by characters in One Piece, e.g. Brulé could literally just let people starve to death in her mirror world, or can stay forever in her mirror world if she fear Big Mom to kill her so much (or just easily dodge her presence), her power is so incredibly OP to have a pocket dimension, but I say “Stupid ain’t Incoherence”, with Sanji not remembering devil fruit user can’t swim when Luffy drops in water at Baratie “Forgetfulness ain’t Incoherence” too. I give em’ excuses all the time, cus in our world too, sometime, we are forgetful or stupid. So long as Oda doesn’t break some important set-in-stone rules of his world, it’s fine by me. Sidenote: I have that image if Brûlée could’ve hid Pudding in her Mirror World and nagged on Kuzan and Auger trying to get her from a mirror, biggest of troll ever. That would be assuming they knew they wanted Pudding but, Brûlée has a good power to help evacuation, surely even better than just evacuating by boats in general. She could also blackmail people with embarrassing picture of them all the time with the mirrors in bedrooms and bathrooms. IMAGINE THAT! But Brûlée is just actually stupid with her power it’s incredible. Stupidity and Forgetfulness have to be forgiven at this point. xD
did you missed the part where, when asked what happened to his arm, he said it was an bet on the future, aka it was an calculated move to make luffy indebted to him
the easy excuse is that he was in such a hurry to rescue luffy that he didnt defend against the sea king and thus lost the arm by focusing on saving luffy. Kinda like how whitebeard got stabbed by one of his own men at marineford.
when it start Oda never expected this series become big, original plan it will end around arabasta. you know its normal in shonen when ur manga got stop publish, so maybe he prepare for that, turn out every one lpve it.
I always thought the character designs in one piece were amazing and it makes sm sense that oda’s editor pushed him to keep creating new characters. It’s proof he put in alot of effort to deliver that and it shows.
liam i love how you never miss, im happy to say that you got me into one piece , you allowed me to get to understand all the hard to learn info , thank you!
The facade of the genius mangaka who planned all of One Piece from day one is slowly crumbling but I'd still say the relationship Oda's had with his editors over the years is pretty unique in regards to how it influenced the manga, still better than the shouting matches Tite Kubo has over the phone with his editor.
I mean it was never really true and most people can figure that out seeing how long the series is going for and how shounen jump works. However the impact Oda has with his story on a lot of people and industry as a whole can never be understated, just like dragon ball the story has tons of issues but its impact can be felt even to these day and prabobly decades in the future
@@NintendoSegaGuys So what one piece does well is crafting memorable characters that can inspire us or the story it's also extremely creative in the world building aspect it also has some moment we will remember for the rest of our lives .Which is why we love and plenty of other people love one piece and it has such a hug impact on us and the industry as a wholem But if you look at the story it does have tons of issues, things like fake out deaths removing the tension in early one-piece, plot conveniences like characters being dumb so the other character can have their moments, retcons of powers and inconsistent power system as a whole, one note villains except doffy, stretch out moment like raid of onigashima, jokes sometimes ruin the seriousness of what's going on even though it's handle pretty well for the most part, same gags repeated throughout the story like Sanji being pereverted. We also have things that create t nsion but they are overused like Luffy every top gear has time limit or other drawbacks, time limits like birdcage alabasta explosion, falling island etc Overall there is a lot of issues you can point to I could name a lot more but personally for me what one piece does good outweighs negatives and I think most people feel the same
@@sgnox7781 I'll try to answer each point in order: lot's of series use fake out deaths, I've accused works of having characters act dumb for plot so I won't argue, One Piece has very few retcons compared to other manga and is known for being consistant across the board expecially in regards to powers except in cases of mistranslation or easily correctable mistakes like Ace and Luffy being brothers, Vice Admiral Bastile being apart of the giant race and Katakuri being a logia user, the series has it's roots in comedy so wheter it disrupts with pacing is up to personal preference, Sanji being a pervert is a positive but I don't expect everyone to like everything about anime & manga.
I am 100% not buying Oda putting the blame for his increasingly fan service-y drawings on his editor around the time of Amazon Lily, especially considering they only got more and more ridiculous after the time skip and oda is literally on record from a few years back saying he just enjoys drawing boobs
Liam can you clarify this one mystery for me: There is a photo of Oda and Kishimoto but there's a third person in the photo, uncredited. Giving genuine Zetsu or Im vibes just lurking in the background.
shanks losing an arm is a great moment and symbol, but it is weird in retrospect knowing how strong he is and how easily he could have saved luffy without losing anything
Is no one going to talk about how chadly and loyal takuma naito is for refusing and not backing down from the pressure of his for the streets gf, what the one piece is? 😂
It's just crazy how long One Piece has been going on. You could use One Piece chapters as historical reference at this point. The Deepwater Horizon Explosion in 2010 was one of the largest environmental disaster in United States history, One Piece manga was in its last chapters of the Marineford Arc.
I wish an editor had told Oda to cut down the Onigashima raid a tad. As much as I personally enjoyed it in retrospect, it draaaaaaaaaaaaagged as a weekly reader.
Tbh, I would be interested what the thought process behind the Davy Back Fight Arc is. To this day, my head cannon is that this was a "filler" arc for Oda to get some time. He didn't intend for One Piece to be so long, so when he knew he got the chance, he decided to plan out a good chance of the rest of the story. And in order to get that time, while also still publish chapters, he made a "gag" arc that doesn't need much planning and is just a bunch of funny games without any actual story to it. And because he had more time, he was able to plan out future stories that he would want to delve into. Not saying, he planned everything, but he planned what stations should be done during that time. I feel, it would make sense as this arc is squeezed in between the Skypia arc (which felt like a typical "original" Oda arc where it's a lot about the wonder of this new island) and the Water 7 arc, which suddenly starts to introduce the larger politics of the world. To get this back to the editors, I would love to hear what the discussion process was. I mean, the editor must have really trusted Oda to do such a thing. An arc like Davy Back Fights could totally kill a series if the following arc isn't super strong to catch the readers again. Therefore, I don't think this is something that Oda could have just done without a lot of talking to his editor and the editor giving him a huge trust bonus to take a risk like that.
8:18 I mean to be fair, he had a big enough reaction to Chopper in the anime, that he decide to change how he depicted the character in looks and involvement in the action. Oda reacting to the anime's take on Ace's ending differently to his manga's take on it is not unlikely. After all, obviously you can't hear a manga page, and that kind of character ending can feel different as a silent/still manga page versus an animated scene with sound... at least in my opinion.
So what I'm getting here is the editors have to tone down Oda's work so our minds don't literally explode when we try and comprehend his true genius. Except for the Sabaody editor he basically went "MORE...MORE...MOREEE" which is why sabaody/marineford is so goated.
Im 100 sure bonnie always was supposed to bd there. Yes he wrote the supernovas in 1 day but I think its more the idea of the supernovas, that doesnt mean every supernova was invented at that day. The themes with bonnie her clear connection to Kuma from the start makes me belive she was shoved into the group then to be an invention for it
Eh, more like Oda probably cleverly improvised, and decided to give that role to Bonnie, rather than having to invent a completely new character from scratch. It's probably a very similar situation to what happened to Vivi. When she was first introduced, Miss Wednesday was not written as Vivi. It just so happened that Oda needed a princess for the upcoming story arc and he felt like Miss Wednesday looked the part, so he decided to completely change her character direction on a whim. Probably something similar with Kuma and Bonnie. He decided he needed a character to be Kuma's child, so he settled on Bonnie, whom he didn't have any other plans for yet.
Oda's Genius isn't being a master planner who has known everything from the beginning, it's building his story as he goes and coming up with new ideas based on the pieces he has lying around.
Guys. He had 15 years between Bonney’s introduction and her backstory reveal to figure out how to make her backstory fit perfectly. That’s more years than One Piece had EXISTED FOR up until Sabaody. There are some hints about Bonney being Kuma’s daughter early on - I definitely think Oda solidified the idea of Bonney being Kuma’s daughter by the time of Marineford, but after that he had 15 YEARS to flesh out all the details of her backstory to make it fit with prior details. It’s far from impossible.
It just MAKES SENSE that Oda would no longer be wanting as much input on how to do One Piece. He's to a point now where he probably LITERALLY already has the end of one piece rough sketched somewhere. At first he needed help getting it started and making up his mind on things, but now he can clearly see where it's going and KNOWS how he wants it all to end. So he doesn't NEED as much input anymore. And that's NOT a bad thing.
The only thing with Shanks losing an arm is the issue of Haki, which isn't made clear until later. It doesn't really bother me as I can write it off as Shanks just not paying attention and making a *really* stupid mistake, in the same vein as letting the bandit get away with Luffy in the first place, but I can see why people might have an issue with it
1:50 I know it's not a big deal, but the Straw Hat's crew was at its 9th member before timeskip, with Franky and Brooj! Jinbe, and perhaps Boney or Kizaru as the rumors say, are the only post timeskip Straw Hats!
I remember thinking that Kaya's servants wearing modern-looking suits was weird and crazy, so its probably good that Asada talked Oda into waiting a while to introduce fish-men xD
Kinda wild how all these little actions from one person influenced the greatest story I’ve ever witnessed. All these interactions could have been overshadowed by any IRL event and yet here we are
So the reason why early OP is so great is because of editors? And the George Lucas with prequels situation we have now is because current editors can't say to him what to do? I see.
Hearing about how hard one piece had to be pushed to get published Reminds me why I give so few anime and manga chances anymore The industry is so over bloated With new ideas that so many stories go unfinished I started to get really tired of starting something just to find out it gets canceled long before it is able to conclude its story
Kouhei Onishi not only saved Sabaody Arc, but he expanded the world of One Piece by 10x fold when he included the supernovas. And by including them just before completing the first half of the grand line, he doubled it, making the world 20x larger than we saw throughout the series, rising the stakes for marineford arc. All of this makes it even funnier that he said one piece was 70% complete 😂 such a goofy troll
The most impressive thing is Oda introducing bonney as jewellery bonney and after more than 20 years we came to know that jewellery part was due to her disease as seen in manga, when kuma said it was her jewellery
Imo, those characters were kinda planned, but they weren’t gonna be bunched up like this to create a wacky generation of strong pirates. Maybe Bonney was never supposed to appear in story until Egghead, or when Kuma’s story would unfold in this other route. I mean, her story was already hinted pretty hard at Paramount War where she’d cry looking at the screens soon after the Pacifista were showcased to public, so Oda already knew who she was pretty quickly. She also was NOT attacked by Pacifista nor crossed path with them at Sabaody for plot convenience I suppose. Drake being a Marine with the objective of infiltrating pirate groups is also a fine idea to introduce with the bunch. In my head, Oda sorta planned these characters in some form but had to quickly create a design for them and slightly change their story and journey so they would all group up on Sabaody by this point. He surely used the characters which had the best reasons to sail and become pirates, with the smoothest of adjustments to plot as he could possibly manage.
Shanks losing his arm is actually a massive plothole. Shanks already had a bounty of over a billion and mastered haki. Luffy beat that very same sea king with one punch at the start of his story. And you're telling me that's what took Shanks's arm? No shot. Though yeah maybe it wouldn't have been as impactful if there was no consequence. Now if it'd been Makino...
You see I think someone by mistake has already jumped 20 years after Toki died So maybe as OP is in the final phase we will see who it was and I hope he's a good guy please be one 😢
It's not a plothole. No matter how strong you are, you can get severely injured in the heat of the moment. It just feels inconsistent because Oda hasn't really had that sort of thing occur again since. Or at least not frequently.
@@IronicHavoc i can't say i agree on that, tbh, we're talking about someone who story wise had just assaulted a marine ship guarded by cp to steal a fruit that the government wanted HARD. Even in the heat of the moment someone of shank's caliber would have at the very least activated armament haki. (Don't get me wrong, i know that it's not that bad of a plot hole for a serie running that long, and i still love it)
12:33 Wait, so all these editors know what the one piece is and all of them kept the secret safe, even through heartbreak and endless fans questioning them? Getting a real "Raizo is safe"- vibe here.
I feel like everything who eventually works with oda on one piece turns into a ride or die. I don't remember this correctly but it was mentioned that oda asked a new assistant if they were willing to die for one piece and that if they did die he would take care of his family.
they probably have to sign an NDA when they get hired so as to not leak any information before it comes out. Also they are probably so passionate about One Piece that they don't want to ruin it for anyone especially not Oda
@@y0sh_ I'd assume it's a mix of both. There's no doubt an NDA on that, and even if there wasn't leaking it would definitely cost him his job (and probably ruin his reputation within the industry), but I also don't think you become the editor to the biggest manga ever by chance.
Also i imagine having their careers destroyed if it got leaked that they were the ones who ruined the ending of the highest grossing selling comic in history is a good motivator
I think if I were ever in a similar position I'd have to refuse knowledge, I'd want to find out when the rest of the world does, lol
The idea that there are 12 people out there that know the end of One Piece just blows my mind.
mayhaps not the end but the one piece, or parhaps they know just as much as oda or just about a little less, its crazy cool tho, and it really feels like they are his true crewmates that will go down with him xD
I remember oda did a make a wish type of thing in Japan for a terminal kid, and told him the ending to one piece many years ago
The Warlords of sea 7 + 4 younko and lastly king of pirates + 1 and imu = oda total 13
Tbh this is great because what if something bad happened to oda, we need someone to tell us!
@@Abysslz Yeah, I have been thinking about this since I heard of Toriyama as well.
The Dragon Ball editor was like an antagonist in this video
Yeah he gives me bad vibes
That’s a really funny statement. Torishima famously had a notorious temper. When Toriyama first worked on Dr. Slump, there was a famous incident where his editor got on his goose so bad, that Toriyama made the main villain of the series a crude caricature of his editor named “Dr. Mashirito” (his editor’s name backwards). Torishima was going to reject the idea immediately, but they ran out of time and had no choice but to publish the chapter as such. It’s one of those legendary meta jokes that can only be replicated in the fast paced medium of a weekly manga serial.
To put into perspective how influential Torishima was, his personality was the main inspiration behind the creation of King Piccolo.
How
He seems to just be that in general.
Zoro wants your *_Shodai Kitetsu_* by the way
Fun fact: Kouhei Onishi was also the editor of Gintama prior to One Piece.
Gintama makes fun of him (and themselves) by making a character named Konishi who was the editor of "Gintaman" and then gets transferred to "One Park"
Edit: DONDAKEEEE
I remember that episode 🤣🤣
Also he's always being punished to stand in the hallway
DONDAKE???
"Keep drawing and drawing more characters"
Oda: Ok
"ok, that's a lot already"
Oda: nope
"hey.. uhm"
Oda: MORE CHARACTERS!
And it's crazy how he handles them and has a plan for all of them
@@sudiptaday7875I think he just creates a new plan and plops a character without a pre defined plan. Like Law in Punk Hazard, Bege in Whole Cake or Bonney in Egghead. Maybe Urouge will suddenly fulfil his purpose out of the blue someday
MOAR!
@@hirudinaria yeah it makes sense and if urouge doesn't appear with enel I'm gonna be sad
oda: it was ur fault u told me to draw more characters
The new art of oda and all the editors looks so sick
GLR needs to give Mr artist a raise
The manga looks worse than ever before, it is one punch man webcomic level now. Keep coping
@@Wusaruful Why unnecessarily hating? You want Oda to die of overworking himself to death? The art is fine, you can keep babbling.
He said sick in sense of bad not like cool lol@@Wusaruful
@@Hynerius957 yes please after the big retcon it is all boring anyway, there is 0 risk now just instant win and they even get free pacifista control, boring
Not gonna lie, that bit at the end, with Asada fighting tooth and nail for Oda's work and being the man that literally saved One Piece by pushing so hard for it to be published legit made me tear up. What a legend, that's someone who could see the promise Oda had.
So true
13:12 Damn! She went into that relationship with a mission 😂
And the Editor said I don't backstab my friends 🗿
Bro's before hoes any day of the week. Plus them T and C's on that NDA must have been a lot harder to deal with than she would be and that's saying something lol.
"I'm gonna f- this man to find the one piece" bet ya 5 bucks she gave toothy head. If she did it better she could have found out
@@BlackShadow-nm5bwbased
Oda drew the "X" friendship mark with his editor
Who ever drew the editors and oda in this deserves a raise I love how they look
“Sometimes people take things incomprehensibly seriously” - GLR underselling the reality of kids on the internet.
And not kids too.
Thank the editors for the Worst Gen, they're all interesting characters and without them Sabaody wouldn't have been as iconic, it would have just been sad.
The crazy part is there might have many other ideas and characters that we missed and would never know
Like we are imagining how would be onepiece without warlords and worst gen , There might be something we have missed and don't know lol
@jeevanpujara2029 just seeing Oda's initial sketch of the straw hats shows we missed some really wacky crewmates, and sense he's trying to end the story, we're probably missing so many random side stories and characters it's insane. I feel that's a big part of why Oda didn't bring Carrot and Yamato with the crew sense they would need their own character explorations that we don't have the time for at this point
Yep, and I've even heard that there were originally going to be no 7 Warlords, like the Strawhats would've directly fought the Emperors and just ended the series then and there 😭😭 thankfully we did get the 7 Warlords, and even got to explore all of them, it made such a big difference in the overall storyline.
idk man i trust Oda… i think he would’ve found a way to make it equally as impactful even without introducing 10 new characters that he came up with overnight🤣
@@Trefox87 The Lightning Island Was clearly set up to be visited and now it's pretty clear we're skipping over it to save time
9:21 quote ”so when I drew something with a little extra skin” and look in the background
I read the Bakuman manga, and that taught me alot about manga production. And there were really many types of editor and the mangaka and editor relationship is really important in the success of a series.
Legendary show and manga. Definitely one of my top ten anime
Also, isn't this Akira Jean-Baptise Hattori, the same Akira Hattori that served as Ashirogi Muto's editor in Bakuman?
@@rinoakirova1548Yup, that's the man who inspired the best character of the series
6:28 - Tbh, considering we are in the final saga right now, the dude's estimation is actually pretty damn good (especially when you realize what sort of a wild card OP's story is).
When you think about it, if the supernovas weren't a thing then we probably would be about done rn. so he would have been right if not for his own involvement
You could make a dating sim with editors with how they're drawn.
5:38 i always understood it as the supernovas being a improvised idea not every character being build up from nothing on the spot. Rather taking characters he already made up and put them into that label
i also see it that way. pretty sure for Kidd and Law. Maybe even Bonney.
Yeah I feel like people ran with that and mythologized it. Most likely he was building these characters for the later arcs for the most part and just revealed them all here.
Maybe he had a rough character concept or story ideas, but that's not a done character. The character designs themselves were created in a few hours. Sure, drafts may have existed for some, but that doesn't remove from the fact that he created a bunch of influential characters in the span of some hours.
Yeah because, as someone who's trying to write a story too, it's easy to come up with a random character idea and then as you go along with the story implement that character more and flesh out a full backstory for them.
Also it could be that the characters were made quickly but without any backstory yet. The backstories we got then were sorted out later when more time was available, like for Bonney and law
I haven't slept due to work, your vids make the last few minutes of my shift so much better ❤ thanks man on the Internet
Happy to help!
"Are you the man who saved one piece because you are takanori asada or are you takanori asada because you are the man who saved one piece"
So true :)
I feel like I'm missing a reference.
@@faceoctopus4571It’s a reference to Jujutsu Kaisen, the original quote is “Are you The Strongest because you’re Satoru Gojo, or are you Satoru Gojo because you’re The Strongest?”
Big respect for Naito for not caving into his toxic ex girlfriends demands.
I have no doubt that the ending would've been leaked through his evil ex.
Its funny that one of the editors ex girlfriends got so upset that he wouldn't tell her what the fictional treasure is that she blocked him on everything, thats very petty.
I get it though 😂
Yes well, people are petty!
There is no romance in the crew 😂
Having a reaction like that is a big red-flag anyway. Her mission was to hold the information that could ruin the journey for everyone if revealed early. Screw that! I never want to know this information until we get it the legit Luffy way.
Editors really are underrated and the unsung heroes of story crafting. Every creator has this unhinged desired to expand on their imagination but without an editor to guide them and keep them in line, the creator may burn themselves out or go too far overboard and ruin their own creation with unneeded fluff.
Editors are the MVPs behind every author's success after all.
... eh~ DBZ would be hit and missed.
I also feel like Kubo wouldn't agree on that, but you're probably broadly correct xD
So you're saying I have to become a _One Piece_ editor to learn what the One Piece is? DONE! I also didn't realize that editors only seem to do 3-4-year stints on the series. I figured the editor would stay for much longer. I wouldn't have been surprised if only one or two editors were in the entire _One Piece_ run.
I'm so glad you not only praise Oda, but his Editors for helping make this wonderful world we love.
It's Crazy how much influence they had.
So true
It's nice to see some editors getting some positive recognition for once. Usually all you hear are stories like Toriyama being forced to keep adding new villains in the Cell saga or Tite Kubo having a horrible relationship with his editors.
The question is, is he also a genius then? The editor.
no one is a genius not even oda lol
@@elyaz6587 In Japan's top 10th genius list, oda was 10th. What are yapping buddy?
Takes one to train one, so I reckon some of his older editors/including the generation 0 ones, def are as good as they need each other for the story to end up like how it is now. I like to imagine Oda as Luffy still training and learning new things as he goes and then his editor is just Rayleigh giving him tips and advices here and there, and he can choose to pick it up, train it, incorporate his own techniques into it, and make use of it
Genius is a completely subjective term. My mom would probably put me somewhere in the top 10 list of geniuses. Doesn't mean it's true. I feel that Oda is incredibly talented in certain ways, but I personally wouldn't be inclined to call him a genius. Call him whatever you want, though
What makes a blade? The metal or the smith?
The editor that fought for one piece to get published makes me wonder how many other amazing stories we've missed out on because the author didn't have anyone fight for them
being mangaka is not easy, shonen jump only have slot around 10 "story" per book, author who try to apply probally around 100 or even maybe 1000, and to accept 1 mean remove 1,, its bloody hell.
"Luck" is a huge component in life. Whenever actor Bryan Cranston is interviewed, he will bring it up and hammer home just how important someone's luck component is, even going so far as to say that there is no he knows of, who is successful, that doesn't mention a "lucky break". One quote reads: "It doesn't matter if you're good. If you're just good, you won't succeed. If you have patience and persistence and talent and that's it, you will never have a successful career as an actor. The elusive thing you need is luck."
Oda had the talent, but needed both luck and guidance to make One Piece a reality, and I'm glad he was given he was given the chance to make this a reality.
Given how off-the-rails Akira Toriyama went with the Buu Saga when editors were told to just leave him be and let him do what he wants, I can understand why there would be people who are concerned that Oda can't be told things to keep him reigned in. I don't think we'll get to a point where we'll get things like the ending of Promised Neverland or Dr. Stone, or the Buu Saga of DBZ, but I do wonder how differently Wano could have been if an editors had stepped in and told Oda "sudden amnesia doesn't work in fiction as a trope."
*thumbnail*
Shanks needed a hand there
This joke is so dry, but you've been a long time commenter so your forgiven 👍
Shanks loosing an arm did make the moment a lot bigger, but it also feels really inconsistent with how strong we know that he is now, you couldn't imagine other greats like Kaido, White bear, Big Mum just losing an arm like that
It was a good shock value for shanks to lose an arm since it was the beginning of the story. I agree with you though, it seems pretty inconsistent with his power. We all know shanks didn’t actually need to lose an arm he used his haki to scare the beast away lol.
You can also make the argument that he was more focussed on getting there in time than scaring the beast away. I mean, I guess that’s why it’s not a dumbo shark that took his arm but a whole big-ass sea monster. Shanks was a Warlord level power force if I reckon correctly by that time, so I guess, in a stretch, he made a mistake because he was in a hurry.
Sometime I spot stupid decisions by characters in One Piece, e.g. Brulé could literally just let people starve to death in her mirror world, or can stay forever in her mirror world if she fear Big Mom to kill her so much (or just easily dodge her presence), her power is so incredibly OP to have a pocket dimension, but I say “Stupid ain’t Incoherence”, with Sanji not remembering devil fruit user can’t swim when Luffy drops in water at Baratie “Forgetfulness ain’t Incoherence” too.
I give em’ excuses all the time, cus in our world too, sometime, we are forgetful or stupid. So long as Oda doesn’t break some important set-in-stone rules of his world, it’s fine by me.
Sidenote:
I have that image if Brûlée could’ve hid Pudding in her Mirror World and nagged on Kuzan and Auger trying to get her from a mirror, biggest of troll ever. That would be assuming they knew they wanted Pudding but, Brûlée has a good power to help evacuation, surely even better than just evacuating by boats in general. She could also blackmail people with embarrassing picture of them all the time with the mirrors in bedrooms and bathrooms. IMAGINE THAT! But Brûlée is just actually stupid with her power it’s incredible. Stupidity and Forgetfulness have to be forgiven at this point. xD
did you missed the part where, when asked what happened to his arm, he said it was an bet on the future, aka it was an calculated move to make luffy indebted to him
the easy excuse is that he was in such a hurry to rescue luffy that he didnt defend against the sea king and thus lost the arm by focusing on saving luffy. Kinda like how whitebeard got stabbed by one of his own men at marineford.
True, never thought of that...
I love this channel and Liam's dry humor so much!
Kinda crazy how editors can change the story so much. Some for the good and some for the bad
yes they can, author cannot publish the chapter or even manga if editor say no for chapter
The fact that it took a lot of pushing to get One Piece off the ground is insane looking at the monstrous success it is now.
Dang, the new art of Oda and his editors is fire. Your artist did really good on all of 'em Liam.
"One piece is gonna end in 5 years." - *Me reading that maybe 11 years ago for the first time* 😂
when it start Oda never expected this series become big, original plan it will end around arabasta.
you know its normal in shonen when ur manga got stop publish, so maybe he prepare for that, turn out every one lpve it.
Asada really was out there like "he's going to be the king of mangaka!"
This is problably one of if not the most inspiring videos you guys have made yet.
I always thought the character designs in one piece were amazing and it makes sm sense that oda’s editor pushed him to keep creating new characters. It’s proof he put in alot of effort to deliver that and it shows.
Getting hired to draw whats essentially fanart of an assortment of japanese men is wild.
high quality art at that.
liam i love how you never miss, im happy to say that you got me into one piece , you allowed me to get to understand all the hard to learn info , thank you!
Seeing how perfeclty the Kuma backstory panned out, the Worst Generation fact is even more mindblowing
Always nice to see someone shining a spotlight on the heroes behind the scenes
That one editor refusing his ex the juicy info is a true man
Oda: *comes to the office to see the Editors beating up, crucified, and missing limbs*
Editor: The truth of the one piece is safe
As a hopeful author of a series myself, I gotta say thanks Liam. Hearing about Oda’s editors makes me more confident to work with my own someday.
GLR, is Sophie the one who does the editors art in this vid? Whoever does them is my favorite channel artist you have, want to support if possible.
The editors are Odas crew.
13:03 The man is a legend😂
The facade of the genius mangaka who planned all of One Piece from day one is slowly crumbling but I'd still say the relationship Oda's had with his editors over the years is pretty unique in regards to how it influenced the manga, still better than the shouting matches Tite Kubo has over the phone with his editor.
I mean it was never really true and most people can figure that out seeing how long the series is going for and how shounen jump works. However the impact Oda has with his story on a lot of people and industry as a whole can never be understated, just like dragon ball the story has tons of issues but its impact can be felt even to these day and prabobly decades in the future
@@sgnox7781 I agree except the "tons of issues" part.
@@NintendoSegaGuys So what one piece does well is crafting memorable characters that can inspire us or the story it's also extremely creative in the world building aspect it also has some moment we will remember for the rest of our lives .Which is why we love and plenty of other people love one piece and it has such a hug impact on us and the industry as a wholem But if you look at the story it does have tons of issues, things like fake out deaths removing the tension in early one-piece, plot conveniences like characters being dumb so the other character can have their moments, retcons of powers and inconsistent power system as a whole, one note villains except doffy, stretch out moment like raid of onigashima, jokes sometimes ruin the seriousness of what's going on even though it's handle pretty well for the most part, same gags repeated throughout the story like Sanji being pereverted. We also have things that create t nsion but they are overused like Luffy every top gear has time limit or other drawbacks, time limits like birdcage alabasta explosion, falling island etc Overall there is a lot of issues you can point to I could name a lot more but personally for me what one piece does good outweighs negatives and I think most people feel the same
@@sgnox7781 I'll try to answer each point in order: lot's of series use fake out deaths, I've accused works of having characters act dumb for plot so I won't argue, One Piece has very few retcons compared to other manga and is known for being consistant across the board expecially in regards to powers except in cases of mistranslation or easily correctable mistakes like Ace and Luffy being brothers, Vice Admiral Bastile being apart of the giant race and Katakuri being a logia user, the series has it's roots in comedy so wheter it disrupts with pacing is up to personal preference, Sanji being a pervert is a positive but I don't expect everyone to like everything about anime & manga.
I am 100% not buying Oda putting the blame for his increasingly fan service-y drawings on his editor around the time of Amazon Lily, especially considering they only got more and more ridiculous after the time skip and oda is literally on record from a few years back saying he just enjoys drawing boobs
I really, really appreciated this video. Partly the information but also the passion you have for it.
Everyone say thank you Kushima.
Keep up the awesome work and videos Liam love the video
Liam can you clarify this one mystery for me: There is a photo of Oda and Kishimoto but there's a third person in the photo, uncredited. Giving genuine Zetsu or Im vibes just lurking in the background.
"Cut his arm"
Shanks Powerscalers: I won but at what cost?
Beautiful Video. Thanks for the insight behind the creation of One Piece
shanks losing an arm is a great moment and symbol, but it is weird in retrospect knowing how strong he is and how easily he could have saved luffy without losing anything
Is no one going to talk about how chadly and loyal takuma naito is for refusing and not backing down from the pressure of his for the streets gf, what the one piece is? 😂
It's just crazy how long One Piece has been going on. You could use One Piece chapters as historical reference at this point.
The Deepwater Horizon Explosion in 2010 was one of the largest environmental disaster in United States history, One Piece manga was in its last chapters of the Marineford Arc.
Liam did you ate the consistent- consistent fruit?
I wish an editor had told Oda to cut down the Onigashima raid a tad. As much as I personally enjoyed it in retrospect, it draaaaaaaaaaaaagged as a weekly reader.
What is the back ground at 9:21 💀💀💀💀
Tbh, I would be interested what the thought process behind the Davy Back Fight Arc is. To this day, my head cannon is that this was a "filler" arc for Oda to get some time. He didn't intend for One Piece to be so long, so when he knew he got the chance, he decided to plan out a good chance of the rest of the story. And in order to get that time, while also still publish chapters, he made a "gag" arc that doesn't need much planning and is just a bunch of funny games without any actual story to it. And because he had more time, he was able to plan out future stories that he would want to delve into. Not saying, he planned everything, but he planned what stations should be done during that time.
I feel, it would make sense as this arc is squeezed in between the Skypia arc (which felt like a typical "original" Oda arc where it's a lot about the wonder of this new island) and the Water 7 arc, which suddenly starts to introduce the larger politics of the world.
To get this back to the editors, I would love to hear what the discussion process was. I mean, the editor must have really trusted Oda to do such a thing. An arc like Davy Back Fights could totally kill a series if the following arc isn't super strong to catch the readers again. Therefore, I don't think this is something that Oda could have just done without a lot of talking to his editor and the editor giving him a huge trust bonus to take a risk like that.
8:18 I mean to be fair, he had a big enough reaction to Chopper in the anime, that he decide to change how he depicted the character in looks and involvement in the action. Oda reacting to the anime's take on Ace's ending differently to his manga's take on it is not unlikely. After all, obviously you can't hear a manga page, and that kind of character ending can feel different as a silent/still manga page versus an animated scene with sound... at least in my opinion.
So what I'm getting here is the editors have to tone down Oda's work so our minds don't literally explode when we try and comprehend his true genius. Except for the Sabaody editor he basically went "MORE...MORE...MOREEE" which is why sabaody/marineford is so goated.
i cant believe law was just made on the spot, dudes like one of my favorite characters
the creator and his 12 apostles. is there one day going to be some meta anime about writing one piece? i'd probably watch it :D
Im 100 sure bonnie always was supposed to bd there. Yes he wrote the supernovas in 1 day but I think its more the idea of the supernovas, that doesnt mean every supernova was invented at that day. The themes with bonnie her clear connection to Kuma from the start makes me belive she was shoved into the group then to be an invention for it
Eh, more like Oda probably cleverly improvised, and decided to give that role to Bonnie, rather than having to invent a completely new character from scratch.
It's probably a very similar situation to what happened to Vivi. When she was first introduced, Miss Wednesday was not written as Vivi. It just so happened that Oda needed a princess for the upcoming story arc and he felt like Miss Wednesday looked the part, so he decided to completely change her character direction on a whim.
Probably something similar with Kuma and Bonnie. He decided he needed a character to be Kuma's child, so he settled on Bonnie, whom he didn't have any other plans for yet.
Oda's Genius isn't being a master planner who has known everything from the beginning, it's building his story as he goes and coming up with new ideas based on the pieces he has lying around.
Guys.
He had 15 years between Bonney’s introduction and her backstory reveal to figure out how to make her backstory fit perfectly. That’s more years than One Piece had EXISTED FOR up until Sabaody.
There are some hints about Bonney being Kuma’s daughter early on - I definitely think Oda solidified the idea of Bonney being Kuma’s daughter by the time of Marineford, but after that he had 15 YEARS to flesh out all the details of her backstory to make it fit with prior details. It’s far from impossible.
Yes editors in most mediums are a key to success
It just MAKES SENSE that Oda would no longer be wanting as much input on how to do One Piece. He's to a point now where he probably LITERALLY already has the end of one piece rough sketched somewhere. At first he needed help getting it started and making up his mind on things, but now he can clearly see where it's going and KNOWS how he wants it all to end. So he doesn't NEED as much input anymore. And that's NOT a bad thing.
Damn that editor's girlfriend really wanted to know what the one piece was lmao
The only thing with Shanks losing an arm is the issue of Haki, which isn't made clear until later. It doesn't really bother me as I can write it off as Shanks just not paying attention and making a *really* stupid mistake, in the same vein as letting the bandit get away with Luffy in the first place, but I can see why people might have an issue with it
The more we know about the production and making of one piece, the more it sounds like an actual anime base around mangakas
Im very thankfull for the editors contributions to one piece l think that every creator should have these editors helping them like that
Love how they pushed him more and more and turned him into one of the best writers of all time.
It's crazy hearing thr back stories of popular series almost not existing like Pokemon for example
man, i never thought about how painful having a freshly made arm stump would be wading in salt water
1:50 I know it's not a big deal, but the Straw Hat's crew was at its 9th member before timeskip, with Franky and Brooj! Jinbe, and perhaps Boney or Kizaru as the rumors say, are the only post timeskip Straw Hats!
Editor. Build up your characters.
Oda : I took that personally!
Me: Thank you 🙏! .
"Against killing the idea of Ace" 😂
7:47
the art looks great
I remember thinking that Kaya's servants wearing modern-looking suits was weird and crazy, so its probably good that Asada talked Oda into waiting a while to introduce fish-men xD
I like to imagine that Oda told every editor the One Piece was something different so he could know who to trust.
Kinda wild how all these little actions from one person influenced the greatest story I’ve ever witnessed. All these interactions could have been overshadowed by any IRL event and yet here we are
This was a really cool video, thanks!
So the reason why early OP is so great is because of editors? And the George Lucas with prequels situation we have now is because current editors can't say to him what to do? I see.
13:06 respect to him.
Respect for all of them.
Hearing about how hard one piece had to be pushed to get published Reminds me why I give so few anime and manga chances anymore The industry is so over bloated With new ideas that so many stories go unfinished I started to get really tired of starting something just to find out it gets canceled long before it is able to conclude its story
Kouhei Onishi not only saved Sabaody Arc, but he expanded the world of One Piece by 10x fold when he included the supernovas. And by including them just before completing the first half of the grand line, he doubled it, making the world 20x larger than we saw throughout the series, rising the stakes for marineford arc.
All of this makes it even funnier that he said one piece was 70% complete 😂 such a goofy troll
a different kind of "One Piece Backstory"
sick video idea - gives credit to the creative minds
The most impressive thing is Oda introducing bonney as jewellery bonney and after more than 20 years we came to know that jewellery part was due to her disease as seen in manga, when kuma said it was her jewellery
I mean, he most likely came up with that explanation afterwards.
Imo, those characters were kinda planned, but they weren’t gonna be bunched up like this to create a wacky generation of strong pirates.
Maybe Bonney was never supposed to appear in story until Egghead, or when Kuma’s story would unfold in this other route. I mean, her story was already hinted pretty hard at Paramount War where she’d cry looking at the screens soon after the Pacifista were showcased to public, so Oda already knew who she was pretty quickly. She also was NOT attacked by Pacifista nor crossed path with them at Sabaody for plot convenience I suppose.
Drake being a Marine with the objective of infiltrating pirate groups is also a fine idea to introduce with the bunch.
In my head, Oda sorta planned these characters in some form but had to quickly create a design for them and slightly change their story and journey so they would all group up on Sabaody by this point. He surely used the characters which had the best reasons to sail and become pirates, with the smoothest of adjustments to plot as he could possibly manage.
Shanks losing his arm is actually a massive plothole. Shanks already had a bounty of over a billion and mastered haki. Luffy beat that very same sea king with one punch at the start of his story. And you're telling me that's what took Shanks's arm? No shot. Though yeah maybe it wouldn't have been as impactful if there was no consequence. Now if it'd been Makino...
8:15 Thank you for the clarification
Have we talked about the time time fruit just sitting somewhere?
You see I think someone by mistake has already jumped 20 years after Toki died So maybe as OP is in the final phase we will see who it was and I hope he's a good guy please be one 😢
This proves that no man, even Oda, is an island.
Except for Pizarro, but he's the exception.
wait, so the biggest plothole, shanks h-arm (ba dum tssss, see what i did there?) comes from an editor and not from oda?
It's not a plothole. No matter how strong you are, you can get severely injured in the heat of the moment.
It just feels inconsistent because Oda hasn't really had that sort of thing occur again since. Or at least not frequently.
Also, we don't know when exactly Shanks got as strong as he is now. He could have been much more vulnerable at that point in his life.
@@IronicHavoc i can't say i agree on that, tbh, we're talking about someone who story wise had just assaulted a marine ship guarded by cp to steal a fruit that the government wanted HARD. Even in the heat of the moment someone of shank's caliber would have at the very least activated armament haki. (Don't get me wrong, i know that it's not that bad of a plot hole for a serie running that long, and i still love it)
I think the canonical reason is that shanks lost his arm so luffy would take the ocean seriouslly, so he lost it on purpose
@@Jabbuino In my head canon bro was just careless and lost his arm for it lol
it is pretty sick
I think the tone after marineford wouldve been so different if shanks never showed up and only luffy, jimbei, and marco made it out alive.
im glad to hear that cutting off shanks arm was not planned by him, this actually was in my opinion a dumb change that doesnt make any sense now.