It's plain and simple Curry had a better team than Harden and won it. Harden only has a better team because he has an IQ high enough to run a real offense. You can't take away his well earned MVP because Curry has a better record and then take away another one because Russ has a seemingly weaker team.
I think Russ is a great player. But he went 6-23 and had 9 turnovers. This was a terrible game. Early in Lebron's career, before he left for Miami he led a cavs team full of scrubs to the first seed. Whenever Lebron was eliminated from the playoffs with the scrub teams Skip would put all the blame on Lebron and would hate it when people said he needed more help. So why is Skip doing the opposite with Westbrook? Putting all the blame on the Thunder and saying Westbrook needs more help
Hayah7 I know LeBron plays in the weaker conference but LeBron is the best player in the world, Russ never been considered the best player in the league. He had Kd last year when they were up 3-1 and blew it...Russell top 5 or 6 player in the NBA but his bball IQ is still suspect to me..He shoot too many ill-advised shots, commit too many turnovers, Goes to the rims completely outta control, Everytime an opponent shoot a 3 He Westbrook feel the need to do same thing...Etc
So Harden in 2015 had better stats then curry and had less of a supporting cast just like westbrook. Harden was also a second seed. So now 2 years later, your telling me these fools are flipping the criteria. Poor Harden.
When Curry won 2 MVP's in a row, it didn't matter he had Draymond and Klay When LeBron won 2 MVP's in a row in Miami, it didn't matter Bosh and Wade were his teammates When Kobe win his MVP it didn't matter he had Odom and Gasol as teammates When Nash won 2 MVP's in a row it didn't matter that he had Marion and Amare as MVP But Harden having EG, Anderson, Beverley and Ariza is TOO MUCH HELP for the MVP award Media can create any narrative they want based on who they like
LoftyXsWaGX34 last night is too obvious that wb vs d'antoni and his products(including harden) rockets are more valuable team because of the addition of d'antoni and his shooters for successfully cleaning up harden's mess for destroying the whole team a year ago. Morey should get the credit for getting d'antoni and build the team around d'antoni system rather than harden as harden's selfish isolation style has proven to be biggest failure. It is why d'antoni and Morey deserves the coty and gmoty respectively. Mvp should still go to Russ (historical season) or Kawhi (based on traditional past mvp winners metrics). Don't forget mvp is for the season, not based on playoff.
National Sports media is totally disregarding how the Rockets weren't thought to have the superior team at the beginning of the season. In fact, people questioned whether or not they would even make the playoffs after the departure of Dwight and no big splash off-season free agent signings. When it came to each player's value to their team , Harden was ranked outside the top 10! Everybody was even more openly critical of the D'Antoni signing. Meanwhile, national sports media was expecting great things from Russ and the Thunder from the onset of the season, especially after the Oladipo signing. Harden changes from his career-long position of shooting guard to point guard into a new system with at least three new starters alongside him, he still manages to elevate his and their game and finish the regular season with a better team record and personal stats very similar to Russ, who's stats are openly acknowledged to have been padded whereas Harden's are achieved in the natural flow of the game. I think a lot of national media's hype for Russell Westbrook prevented them from being impartial, and made them rush to the decision on Westbrook without any real perspective on HOW these guys achieved what they did. They also just don't want to admit they were wrong. It really makes it appear as if they have something personal against Harden too. His exclusion from All-NBA teams last season was a travesty. They're doing it again this year by trying to withhold the MVP from him.
Pork Chop Flavored Cupcake This seems like the most accurate representation of this MVP race. It all started when Kevin Durant left the Thunder and everyone started feeling 'betrayed' for Westbrook.
Imagine when westbrook get the MVP, in his speech, he'll say to his teammates "thank you for being so trash this whole season so that I can do all the things myself and help me get the MVP" lol
My name's stephen and i love blowing 3-1 leads last night Beverley > wb > harden last night is wb vs d'antoni and his products(including harden) rockets are more valuable team because of the addition of d'antoni and his shooters for successfully cleaning up harden's mess for destroying the whole team a year ago. Morey should get the credit for getting d'antoni and build the team around d'antoni system rather than harden as harden's selfish isolation style has proven to be biggest failure. It is why d'antoni and Morey deserves the coty and gmoty respectively. Mvp should still go to Russ (historical season) or Kawhi (based on traditional past mvp winners metrics). Don't forget mvp is for the season, not based on playoff.
I'm tired of people saying Harden has too much help. The last 10 MVPs had an all star or a top 5-10 player on their team other than D rose and Dirk. But I didn't hear they had too much help
Bill Jordan the "New triple double king" by far exceeds the criteria for stats, but not wins. for the last 35yrs each mvp has had at least 50wins to go with their stats. An A+ in one class doesn't make up for a D in another if you needed at least a C to graduate.
Invincible Shaolin Thunder have 47 wins this season. 47/50 is a 94 my dude. Not a D like you said. So he has off the charts stats and still a good amount of wins considering the amount of talent on the Thunder. Also those previous MVP's with over 50 probably decided half of those games. Russell's performance decides 99% of his teams games. The fact that he still has this many wins and accounts for so much of his teams success, proves that he is MVP.
if Westbrook doesn't play Victor Oladipo would average like 20 points a game... if he played next to Harden he would play better. That's the difference. i don't wanna hear its Dantoni system because Harden has had similiar numbers in past years.
Agreed! I also thought that if Oladipo played beside harden he'd be a better player. Harden makes people better, but that fact is getting lost amongst everybody.
Brandon Roberts Because most of them weren't good ones, harden would've set him up to make those shots easier! Westbrook just didn't create for the rest of his team and he the PG!!!
They didn't need him to get a TD every night. They needed him to let his teammates get their own renounds and take more shots so they could be ready for this. Win or lose as a team. Instead he decided to win as an individual and now you all expect his teammates to know how to win when he's not able to do it all? You can't complain about Gibson not getting rebounds because the gameplan is for Russ to get it right?
H Lu Kobe averaged 40 wins per year when he was on a trash team and putting up big numbers. Those numbers were nothing compared to what Westbrook did this year and he didn't lead his team nearly as well as Westbrook did either. So the basis of your argument makes no sense. Kobe always had help except for 3 years after shaq left and like I said, he averaged 40 wins for those three years. This is a totally different situation bc Westbrook not only had a historic individual season but also led his team to 47 wins with very little help. He's the MVP
Why is everyone giving Westbrook a pass. That was an atrocious game from him but yet all people are talking about is "he has no help." Well guess what in order for his teammates to have a good game he has to actually have a good game.
Jj Hampton No, it actually just proves his case. Westbrook HAS to play well for the Thunder to have a chance and win. Harden does not. Westbrook has a larger load to carry and is more valuable to his team winning.
I like how people forget that in 2015 Curry had a way better team than James Harden and he still won the MVP. The team should not matter when deciding the MVP, the team's success should and that is why Harden should be the MVP.
Lazaros Maroulis nope i don't think harden should be MVP cause he played better in 1 game.. to me he's had a better season. He has the stats plus the record that warrants an MVP but because some pg is gifted 10 rebounds a game by his bigs he's gonna loose MVP
ProfessorFinesser agree to many people look at the stats such as triple double for Westbrook.... but when he ball hogs and take 416 more shots than Harden in the season? Well of source his stats will be higher? Harden has almost the exact same stats and leads the league in assist Harden is my MVP
People just like saying Triple double. I blame Ice Cubes good day for Russell Westbrook winning MVP this year. If Im not mistaken Robertson didn't even win when he avg the triple double. Too many people like flash not substance.
I'm so sick of hearing this idea that harden has a much better team, at the start of the season in most predictions okc were considered the sixth or seventh best team by many, rockets were down around 14 and 15, so rockets have actually exceeded all those expectations while okc hasn't even lived up to theirs. At the start of the season no one would be saying Gordon is a better player than oladipo, Capela wouldn't be considered better than kanter and Adams by anyone. The reason harden seems like he has much better help is because he makes the players around him better, harden brings the best of all his players out while Westbrook tries to take on too much by himself and doesn't give his players a chance to do anything. Oladipo is 24 years old and he's having the worst season of his career with Westbrook, he is still averaging 16 points like he was the season before but think about now much more he got to do with that magic team, he gets less chances with okc and is still averaging 16, if Westbrook actually got the guy into the game he could be averaging 22 a game, instead Westbrook would prefer to take 24 shots a game, 11 shots more than oladipo who takes the second most shots per game. Capela plays six less minutes than Adams and averages more points and rebounds, nene plays over 10 less minutes and averages the same amount of points and only three less rebounds, Adams rebounds should be going up since kd left but instead he has a little guard coming to take all his rebounds. Rockets don't have better talent than okc, what rockets have is a better superstar who knows how to make all the players around him better, Westbrook is a terrific player but he is a bad leader, he has been letting the media disrespect his teammates all season and it seems so many fans are going along with that too, don't let the media fool you, Westbrook has really good talent around him that he simply doesn't know how to use and that's what makes rockets the better team.
mikevickisabeast lol had 9 layups only the fist half. That's how a MVP changes the way of playing if he is not feeling good at 3pt. Anyway I don't mind you giving MVP to Bev as he roasted Westbrook too. Whatever you choose lol.
Zhiyuan Xu lmao what? He had 18 points on like 9/20 shooting. That's just as bad as what Westbrook did. Either way Westbrook is the MVP whether you like it or not. One good game by Beverley won't change that
Jordan Lau MVPs also aren't affected by how their teammates play. They bring it every night. The only person to blame for Russ's performance is Russell.
steven adams is used to moving out of the way so that westbrook can get rebounds so he can get a stupid triple double...if adams just played like he can, russ wouldn't get all of those rebounds, lol
HARDEN MVP. 1. HE ALMOST AVARAGES A TRIPLE-DOUBLE 2. TEAM IS 3RD SEED 3. MAKES HIS TEAM BETTER 4.DOESNT STAT PAD 5.PLAYS GOOD AGAINST GOOD TEAMS (WESTBROOK CANT DO THAT) 6.MORE WINS (TRIPLE DOUBLES ARE JUST NUMBERS) 7. IF HARDEN PLAYED WITH THE THUNDER, THUNDER WOULD BE 4TH IF WESTBROOK PLAYED ROCKETS, ROCKETS WOULD BE 6TH 8. HE MAKES HIS TEAMATES EASIER SHOOTS AND OPEN DUNKS 9. ROCKETS BEAT: WARRIORS SPURS THUNDER GRIZZLIES CAVS WIZARDS CELTICS BULLS RAPTORS... AND MORE 10. ROCKETS BETTER TEAM THAN THUNDER 11. ROCKETS BEAT THUNDER IN SEASON 3-1 12. HARDEN HAS ACTULLY PLAYED BETTER DEFENCE THIS YEAR 13. HARDEN DOESNT GET 10 REBOUND CAUSE HE LETS HIS TEAMATES GET THEM (RUSSEL WESTBROOKS TEAMATES LETS WESTBROOK GET THE REBOUNDS) 14. THUNDER DIDNT EVEN GET 50 WINS IN SEASON 15. HARDEN HAS 2 50 POINT TRIPLE DOUBLES 16. HAS GOT ALOT OF 35+ POINT GAMES
I honestly think Harden is the mvp of the regular season. So because Russ averaged two more rebounds than Harden makes him mvp? Yeah, it's cool Russ willed his team to victory from double digit comebacks against the 76ers and Magic in the regular season. But did he do this against conteding teams in the regular season? No.
Samuel Rowe Except he put up a triple double and beat the Cavs. Then there's that triple double he put up against the Spurs where they won by 10...so there's at least two right there
Harden beat the Cavs, Spurs and also the Warriors too. So what's the differenc? People like to bring up the hypothetical that switch westbrook and harden, and the rockets would just be as successful if not more. But that's not the actual scenario. The actual scenario is Harden is putting up similar numbers than Westbrook on better efficiency with more wins and doesn't have a stacked team like the warriors or cavs.
Exactly I'd put my money that the thunder would actually be a contender give James oladipo and Adams it's over those are better players than he has now the only reason people act like rockets players are so great nobody said that until harden made them so much better than they've ever been
Shannon's logic makes no sense. Harden should be the MVP because Westbrook has to take more shots? The Rockets clearly have an infinitely better supporting cast than the Thunder. In fact, they set an NBA record for most 3-pointers in a single season by a team. The fact that Westbrook was able to get the Thunder the 6th seed in a deep Western Conference shows he should be the MVP.
lol, Taj Gibson is a borderline all star with the Bulls, he suffers in OKC because of Westbrook. Kanter and Adams were monsters in the playoffs last year, now playing with the ultimate hero baller in Westbrook has devalued their games. no way is Westbrook the MVP. #WinsNotStats
In that 1995 Rockets V spurs series Shannon referred to when they gave David Robinson the MVP. Hakeem Olajuwon went on a tear, dismantling Robinson in every aspect. The Dream was something else
Westbrook isn't a franchise player. His inability to make others better and inability to impact the game in other ways besides scoring limits him from taking his team to new heights like Bron and harden have done when they're focal points of the franchise
All year I believed that if Russ played slightly differently their record would have been better. Not drastically better, but better. I still believe that is true, but watching the game against Houston just confirmed that the man has no help whatsoever. They couldn't even make layups or run the break well, the only time they looked dangerous was when Russ was attacking and when Roberson hit a few outside shots in a row. I wouldn't be surprised if they were swept, they have no other scorers on the team besides Russ. When Harden goes to the bench he has Lou Will and EG come on the floor and create some scoring opportunities, if KD is struggling then Steph/Klay/Draymond get some baskets and create offense, if LBJ is struggling then Kyrie and Kevin Love create some offense, Lillard has CJ, CP3 has Blake, Jimmy Butler has D-Wade. Basically in the regular season, you can win games with one primary superstar, but when it comes to the playoffs, balanced teams with numerous stars will dominate "one-man show" teams. That is why the #1 seed Boston Celtics won't make it far, they rely too heavily on IT, the same way that the Thunder rely too heavily on Westbrook.
A Person so true people just hate on harden I guess because his style of play but everyone around him always improves except for the cancer known as Dwight Howard
lol harden in 2015 took pappanikola, Tarik black, corey brewer, Nick Johnson and Josh Smith to the SECOND SEED IN THE WEST WITH 56 WINS. Harden is much better at making others better then westi PLUS HARDEN IS THE BETTER DEFENDER OF THE TWO
i love how neglected to mention,beverley,Howard,Ariza etc,he had way more help in 2015 than russ has now,thats just facts,he also took that same team to a 41-41 record,got demolished by the warriors both years irregardless
Ah the playoffs, stat padding becomes useless, fighting ur own teammates for defensive rebounds is useless, ball hogging with terrible field goal % and 3 pt % is even more useless. Harden MVP
Walter Black who's the second best player for the rockets? Williams, who was the 6th man for the Lakers? Gordon who was mediocre with New Orleans with Davis and Holiday? Anderson who was injured half the season? Harden made his teammates better, Westbrook doesn't which is the reason why Durant left
Ill stop you right there. James Harden (Superstar) + VETERAN CONSISTENT/EFFECIENT SHOOTERS ON EVERY SIDE OF THE COURT vs Westbrook (Superstar)..with not one person that can get the ball in the bucket
Walter Black yeah we know that now but the point is why were Victor Oladipo, Enes Kanter and Adams looked at as better players than Eric Gordon, Ryan Anderson and Clint Capela before the season started and why are they now all of sudden better now? Lets give all that credit to Mike Dantoni right?
Ask yourself who is the second best player for the rockets? Williams, who was the 6th man for the Lakers, or how about Gordon who was mediocre at New Orleans with Holiday and Davis, Anderson, who was injured half the season. Harden made the team better. And when Westbrook does have triple doubles and lose, most of his loses are by blowouts.
Eg, Lou Will, Ariza, and arguably Pat Bev are better than everyone except Russell. Russells play doesn't make people better sort of like kobe, I agree with you there Harden is a better teammate but with the cast Russell has I think they playing to their max and if Russell doesnt get the triple double their chances of winning are slimmer. Like when kobe HAD to take 25, 30 shots, they have nobody really. Harden can get 20, 5, and 5 and they win
James Harden has +2 rebounds and +4 assists per game this year from last year, Russell Westbrook has + 0 assists per game and + 4 rebounds per game. Westbrook also increased his points but he is trying to fill the void that Kevin Durant has left. They both increased there stats from last season to this season but are in different situations so they do different things. I just don't get how people call Westbrook stat padding when he literally has to do everything for that team to win the game where as James Harden doesn't (still needs to do a lot but not anywhere near the same as Westbrook.)
First Name Last Name i forgot the internet is english class.... i guarantee ive watched more knicks gamed than you have nba basketball so lets not go there
The Houston Rockets were projected to finish 11th this year. They lost Dwight and gained Eric Gordon and Ryan Anderson, two offensive players who do nothing to help Houston's defense, they had no legit big man, so it was basically going to be just Harden. Meanwhile, the Thunder were projected to finish 7th, with some solid big guys in Steven Adams and Enes Kanter as well as the additions of Illyasova and Oladipo to go along with their old supporting cast. Houston finished 3rd, OKC finished 6th. And now, everyone says Harden has better help. Look, Eric Gordon and Ryan Anderson were never expected to be this good. Capela, Nene, Beverly, all have played much better than they were expected to. Coincidence? I think not. Thank Harden and thank D'Antoni.
This is some bs. OKC isn't even on the same planet as Houston. Freaking Oladipo is considered a star on this team! Harden is surrounded by great shooters and players like Beverly to defend for him. Russ has one bad night and some ppl base the whole season on that?! Cmon guys its barely Game 1, enough with the Harden stuff. He's had an amazing year, but he stat pads just as much as Russ. Westbrook for MVP, enough said
# thebeautifulgame How Sway??? go back to watching Barcelona games if you watched thunder games no one pads more than Padbrook he leads the league in uncontested rebounds and leads the league in least contested shots when defending and a real mvp makes players around him better and Westbrook doesn't he's selfish and always wants to play hero ball
#thebeautifulgame and who is to blame for that???instead of figuring out some chemistry btw him and his team mates and making sure they all function at thier optimal level,the guy instead went for a solo season.dont blame does guys plz...they basically spent the regular season watching westbrook play basketball
Chris LEGENDED coaching plays a big role too. Mike D Antoni can lead an offense. OKC coach pretty much says "give the ball to Russ". And no way is OKC anywhere nearly as talented as Houston
Fearbleeds Lakers and the Knicks? Cmon dude one of the worst 2 teams in the NBA, it takes more than coaching. But with the bunch of talented shooters Houston has, D Antoni can make it click.
I thought I read the craziest comment the other day when a guy said P Bev would own Westbrook. Props to the guy at least for that one game he was spot on.
Levin Zen he has 2 top 5 picks playin alongside him while harden and dantoni revived careers. yall act like gordon and anderson are clamp gods that are perrenial all stars
Hero Miles then who's the rockets second best player? Williams, the 6th man for the lakers? Gordon who was mediocre for New Orleans with Holiday and Davis? Anderson was injured half the season? Harden made his team better. I'll take Oladipo, Kanter, Adams over all those three I just mentioned. Westbrook doesn't utilize his teammates, which is why they can't do better with him, which also explains why Durant left.
Ultimate Venom Harden's teammates are all better shooters. Great 3-pt. shooting gives you a whole new dimension and completely changes the game with how much spacing it creates and how much those extra points add up. Just look at Golden State. Almost every team in the league has been forced to adapt.
mrbigs g okc was projected to have better record and Russ teammates were ranked ahead ofv hardens, but now he doesn't have help lmaoo, joke. If harden doesn't win mvp it will be a travesty.
who's the second best player for the rockets? Williams, who was the 6th man for the Lakers? Gordon who was mediocre with New Orleans with Davis and Holiday? Anderson who was injured half the season? Harden made his teammates better, Westbrook doesn't which is the reason why Durant left
This isn't even a fair comparison. Harden has been playing under D'antoni who is 10x the coach that Billy Donovan is and made Nash and Stoudemire who they were. Westbrook has had to deal with losing the biggest helps to his team in KD and Ibaka all in one year.
Should Harden win MVP this year?
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UNDISPUTED ON FS1 russ is so valuable he led his team to the 6th seed and a 1st round exit so yes harden MVP
It's plain and simple Curry had a better team than Harden and won it. Harden only has a better team because he has an IQ high enough to run a real offense.
You can't take away his well earned MVP because Curry has a better record and then take away another one because Russ has a seemingly weaker team.
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"he ain't been the same since Draymond kicked him" lol Shannon always have the best one liners
TIMESTAMP !!
Shannon: "You gonna wish you had that vote back"
Chris: "You didn't hear a word I said, sigh"
Harden took OKC's big men to the ballet and KILLED them on the dancefloor! DID YOU SEE HOW HE DID THEM DIRRTY!?
Kanter was yelling "WHERE'S THE HELP??" before Harden even took the layup
He knew he was about to be done dirty. It was humiliating.
I think Russ is a great player. But he went 6-23 and had 9 turnovers. This was a terrible game. Early in Lebron's career, before he left for Miami he led a cavs team full of scrubs to the first seed. Whenever Lebron was eliminated from the playoffs with the scrub teams Skip would put all the blame on Lebron and would hate it when people said he needed more help. So why is Skip doing the opposite with Westbrook? Putting all the blame on the Thunder and saying Westbrook needs more help
Samuel Rowe righttttttt
Samuel Rowe because Russ is not on LeBron level.
Samuel Rowe lets be real, skip gets triggered everytime he hears lebrons name.
Hayah7 you are a fool
Hayah7 I know LeBron plays in the weaker conference but LeBron is the best player in the world, Russ never been considered the best player in the league. He had Kd last year when they were up 3-1 and blew it...Russell top 5 or 6 player in the NBA but his bball IQ is still suspect to me..He shoot too many ill-advised shots, commit too many turnovers, Goes to the rims completely outta control, Everytime an opponent shoot a 3 He Westbrook feel the need to do same thing...Etc
WestBrook 22-11-7 27% 6-23 2-10 from 3
Patrick Beverly 21-10-5 62% 8-14 4-5 from 3
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So Harden in 2015 had better stats then curry and had less of a supporting cast just like westbrook. Harden was also a second seed. So now 2 years later, your telling me these fools are flipping the criteria. Poor Harden.
When Curry won 2 MVP's in a row, it didn't matter he had Draymond and Klay
When LeBron won 2 MVP's in a row in Miami, it didn't matter Bosh and Wade were his teammates
When Kobe win his MVP it didn't matter he had Odom and Gasol as teammates
When Nash won 2 MVP's in a row it didn't matter that he had Marion and Amare as MVP
But Harden having EG, Anderson, Beverley and Ariza is TOO MUCH HELP for the MVP award
Media can create any narrative they want based on who they like
Bryson Jones Harden was only a couple rebounds average from averaging a triple double
Izinho HD there are players averaging better numbers except the LeBron 2 in Miami, so his point is sort of valid
And look who Westbrook has to play with...
I couldn't agreed with this more. The media pick and choose who they want.
Bryson Jones thank you smartest thing I've ever seen
Skip criticizes harden's shooting. Meanwhile his boy Russ shoots 26% from the floor... hmmmm
Sir Boogie that's the point everybody out here screaming like russ a bricker when beard shoots 43% during season
+Ballin Too it's because James shoots so many threes. Look at hardens TS%
WTFref2 Educate these fools
"But he doesn't have any help!!"
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Harden put on an exhibition. Plays at a better pace and much smarter than Russ. Doesn't hurt that he has all those snipers
LoftyXsWaGX34 and avg more turnovers than russ. this man in a way better situation and all this pace
Ballin Too has more turnovers by not even a whole number tho so not much difference there
LoftyXsWaGX34 last night is too obvious that wb vs d'antoni and his products(including harden)
rockets are more valuable team because of the addition of d'antoni and his shooters for successfully cleaning up harden's mess for destroying the whole team a year ago. Morey should get the credit for getting d'antoni and build the team around d'antoni system rather than harden as harden's selfish isolation style has proven to be biggest failure. It is why d'antoni and Morey deserves the coty and gmoty respectively.
Mvp should still go to Russ (historical season) or Kawhi (based on traditional past mvp winners metrics).
Don't forget mvp is for the season, not based on playoff.
Ballin Too Westbrook had 9 and it shouldn't matter about team you're supposed to perform no matter what
99 did u just say harden was a product?
National Sports media is totally disregarding how the Rockets weren't thought to have the superior team at the beginning of the season. In fact, people questioned whether or not they would even make the playoffs after the departure of Dwight and no big splash off-season free agent signings. When it came to each player's value to their team , Harden was ranked outside the top 10! Everybody was even more openly critical of the D'Antoni signing. Meanwhile, national sports media was expecting great things from Russ and the Thunder from the onset of the season, especially after the Oladipo signing. Harden changes from his career-long position of shooting guard to point guard into a new system with at least three new starters alongside him, he still manages to elevate his and their game and finish the regular season with a better team record and personal stats very similar to Russ, who's stats are openly acknowledged to have been padded whereas Harden's are achieved in the natural flow of the game. I think a lot of national media's hype for Russell Westbrook prevented them from being impartial, and made them rush to the decision on Westbrook without any real perspective on HOW these guys achieved what they did. They also just don't want to admit they were wrong. It really makes it appear as if they have something personal against Harden too. His exclusion from All-NBA teams last season was a travesty. They're doing it again this year by trying to withhold the MVP from him.
Pork Chop Flavored Cupcake This seems like the most accurate representation of this MVP race. It all started when Kevin Durant left the Thunder and everyone started feeling 'betrayed' for Westbrook.
Let's see how this is somehow related to Lebron...
Imagine when westbrook get the MVP, in his speech, he'll say to his teammates "thank you for being so trash this whole season so that I can do all the things myself and help me get the MVP" lol
Russel almost got a triple double. 9 turnovers
vinul g W
Harden almost broke a regular season record, for most turnovers
+alex lorsomran Lol he almost broke his own record 😂
big deal, we on the playoffs now, and west brick has showed up
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One game chill. OKC still gonna beat em in 6 or 7
Patrick Beverly outplayed Westbrook. The MVP should perform well no matter how bad is teammates are.
TheGatinor well if you count his 17 missed shots and 10 TOs....lol
TheGatinor no
Ivan The Piff Master 9 turn overs lol doesn't make a difference
My name's stephen and i love blowing 3-1 leads facts
My name's stephen and i love blowing 3-1 leads
last night Beverley > wb > harden
last night is wb vs d'antoni and his products(including harden)
rockets are more valuable team because of the addition of d'antoni and his shooters for successfully cleaning up harden's mess for destroying the whole team a year ago. Morey should get the credit for getting d'antoni and build the team around d'antoni system rather than harden as harden's selfish isolation style has proven to be biggest failure. It is why d'antoni and Morey deserves the coty and gmoty respectively.
Mvp should still go to Russ (historical season) or Kawhi (based on traditional past mvp winners metrics).
Don't forget mvp is for the season, not based on playoff.
There is no way to win if you are harden. If Westbrook won last night he's MVP, if he loses he's MVP because no help
Rushking20 #terribletowels These are FACTS 👏👏👏💯💯💯
Ikr, Harden didn't get mvp in the past because his team wasn't good enough. Now he's not mvp because his team is too good. How does that make sense?
Rushking20 #terribletowels Preach Brother,Preach
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Facts ma boi
I'm tired of people saying Harden has too much help. The last 10 MVPs had an all star or a top 5-10 player on their team other than D rose and Dirk. But I didn't hear they had too much help
Because they weren't in a race against The "New triple double king" for MVP
Hayah7 dirk lost in the 1st round when he won his MVP unfortunately he won the championship in 2011.
Bill Jordan the "New triple double king" by far exceeds the criteria for stats, but not wins. for the last 35yrs each mvp has had at least 50wins to go with their stats. An A+ in one class doesn't make up for a D in another if you needed at least a C to graduate.
Invincible Shaolin Thunder have 47 wins this season. 47/50 is a 94 my dude. Not a D like you said. So he has off the charts stats and still a good amount of wins considering the amount of talent on the Thunder. Also those previous MVP's with over 50 probably decided half of those games. Russell's performance decides 99% of his teams games. The fact that he still has this many wins and accounts for so much of his teams success, proves that he is MVP.
Bill Jordan he was slotted to win 45 and be the 7th seed. Hardens team wasn't supposed to make the playoffs. Just stop
SHANNON REACTION TO CHRIS SAYING HOUSTON IN 7😂😂😂
I love how all of a sudden Harden had an all star supporting cast
if Westbrook doesn't play Victor Oladipo would average like 20 points a game... if he played next to Harden he would play better. That's the difference. i don't wanna hear its Dantoni system because Harden has had similiar numbers in past years.
Corinthian Harris no he didn't never in his career he averaged 10 assists neither 8 rebounds the coach matters
Corinthian Harris oladipo has no heart...blame that on the next man if you must
dipo took 12 shots...he went 1 for 12 how many shots should he take?
Agreed! I also thought that if Oladipo played beside harden he'd be a better player. Harden makes people better, but that fact is getting lost amongst everybody.
Brandon Roberts Because most of them weren't good ones, harden would've set him up to make those shots easier! Westbrook just didn't create for the rest of his team and he the PG!!!
Shannon with the Hakeem Olajuwon reference
WIN
Poor girl, she is just sitting there wondering what these guys are babbling about ....!
Afarro 😂😂😂
Afarro she wanted to get "bonerocked" lmao
Patrick Beverly the only one I seen that can make Westbrook frustrated.
Last year eveyone was like "dont sleep on OKC's depth" now everyones trash
Shannon basically just said, Draymond kicked the talent out of Steven Adams.
They didn't need him to get a TD every night. They needed him to let his teammates get their own renounds and take more shots so they could be ready for this.
Win or lose as a team. Instead he decided to win as an individual and now you all expect his teammates to know how to win when he's not able to do it all?
You can't complain about Gibson not getting rebounds because the gameplan is for Russ to get it right?
MG23 the hypocrisy right
MG23 excellent point tbh
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22 points on 23 shots? Westbrook is young Carmelo, only with the ball in his hands EVERY play.
MVP? Yeah, riiiiiight.
If the MVP was based on how much you do with little help, Kobe would've had like 5 MVPs. As much as I love Westbrook, MVPs are about winning
Kobe never averaged a triple double.
H Lu Westbrook never score 69 points
H Lu Kobe averaged 40 wins per year when he was on a trash team and putting up big numbers. Those numbers were nothing compared to what Westbrook did this year and he didn't lead his team nearly as well as Westbrook did either. So the basis of your argument makes no sense. Kobe always had help except for 3 years after shaq left and like I said, he averaged 40 wins for those three years. This is a totally different situation bc Westbrook not only had a historic individual season but also led his team to 47 wins with very little help. He's the MVP
H Lu then leBron must be getting it every year huh
ofcourse u will avg. triple double when u are stat padding and ur team losing sitting on the 6th seed all season long LOL
Shannon was Savage and too Accurate in this segment.
Why is everyone giving Westbrook a pass. That was an atrocious game from him but yet all people are talking about is "he has no help." Well guess what in order for his teammates to have a good game he has to actually have a good game.
And Skip has the balls to say this game is proof of the legitimacy of Russ' MVP candidacy. What BS!
Jj Hampton No, it actually just proves his case. Westbrook HAS to play well for the Thunder to have a chance and win. Harden does not. Westbrook has a larger load to carry and is more valuable to his team winning.
Skip is so biased for Westbrook it's crazy
He used to call him Westbrick smh
I like how people forget that in 2015 Curry had a way better team than James Harden and he still won the MVP. The team should not matter when deciding the MVP, the team's success should and that is why Harden should be the MVP.
Lmao Shannon at the end COOKED HIM!
Difference between Westbrook and Harden. Harden makes his team look better than they are. Westbrook makes his team look worse than they are.
i love when Joy laughs when Skips makes jokes, especially at the end when Skip said "Come on, give it up!" hahah
people just love to hate on the beard
thumbnail makes it look like Broussard is about to melt Skips soul.
The real League MVP Dropped 37/7/9 on 48%. Meanwhile Triple Double Shot 28% with 9 turnovers yikes
#NotMyMvp
ProfessorFinesser "tripple double" lmao
Lazaros Maroulis nope i don't think harden should be MVP cause he played better in 1 game.. to me he's had a better season. He has the stats plus the record that warrants an MVP but because some pg is gifted 10 rebounds a game by his bigs he's gonna loose MVP
ProfessorFinesser fair enough Westbrook is still my MVP.
ProfessorFinesser agree to many people look at the stats such as triple double for Westbrook.... but when he ball hogs and take 416 more shots than Harden in the season? Well of source his stats will be higher? Harden has almost the exact same stats and leads the league in assist Harden is my MVP
People just like saying Triple double. I blame Ice Cubes good day for Russell Westbrook winning MVP this year. If Im not mistaken Robertson didn't even win when he avg the triple double. Too many people like flash not substance.
Shannon's reaction at 2:21 is priceless.. LOL
I'm so sick of hearing this idea that harden has a much better team, at the start of the season in most predictions okc were considered the sixth or seventh best team by many, rockets were down around 14 and 15, so rockets have actually exceeded all those expectations while okc hasn't even lived up to theirs.
At the start of the season no one would be saying Gordon is a better player than oladipo, Capela wouldn't be considered better than kanter and Adams by anyone. The reason harden seems like he has much better help is because he makes the players around him better, harden brings the best of all his players out while Westbrook tries to take on too much by himself and doesn't give his players a chance to do anything. Oladipo is 24 years old and he's having the worst season of his career with Westbrook, he is still averaging 16 points like he was the season before but think about now much more he got to do with that magic team, he gets less chances with okc and is still averaging 16, if Westbrook actually got the guy into the game he could be averaging 22 a game, instead Westbrook would prefer to take 24 shots a game, 11 shots more than oladipo who takes the second most shots per game. Capela plays six less minutes than Adams and averages more points and rebounds, nene plays over 10 less minutes and averages the same amount of points and only three less rebounds, Adams rebounds should be going up since kd left but instead he has a little guard coming to take all his rebounds.
Rockets don't have better talent than okc, what rockets have is a better superstar who knows how to make all the players around him better, Westbrook is a terrific player but he is a bad leader, he has been letting the media disrespect his teammates all season and it seems so many fans are going along with that too, don't let the media fool you, Westbrook has really good talent around him that he simply doesn't know how to use and that's what makes rockets the better team.
Chris Broussard is the truth. could listen to him speak all day
They were up because of Beverly just as much as Harden
Johnathan Meeks Harden took over stop it
Latrice Peters harden was struggling and they were still up 20+. He didn't take over lol it was basically garbage time
mikevickisabeast Had 31 before that idiot
mikevickisabeast lol had 9 layups only the fist half. That's how a MVP changes the way of playing if he is not feeling good at 3pt. Anyway I don't mind you giving MVP to Bev as he roasted Westbrook too. Whatever you choose lol.
Zhiyuan Xu lmao what? He had 18 points on like 9/20 shooting. That's just as bad as what Westbrook did. Either way Westbrook is the MVP whether you like it or not. One good game by Beverley won't change that
Did y'all see Sharpes reaction @2:22 "Houston in 7" His face and reaction brought me to TEARS 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
MVP makes teammates better. not blaming teammates... Russ a great player but no a good leader.
Jordan Lau maybe that's why a certain player left
Hayah7 So they can be a 1st round exit? Russell teammates were ranked higher than Harden teammates by ESPN.
Jordan Lau MVPs also aren't affected by how their teammates play. They bring it every night. The only person to blame for Russ's performance is Russell.
omieg89 Russell does bring every night
Eric Escibedi The sarcastic thing is now ESPN claims that Harden has more help lol.
Lol how things change,Skip damn near hates Russ' guts now an he loves off Harden😂🍻🍺
Stat padding won't get Westbrick out of the first round
westbrook didnt have help.
ariza, gordon, anderson, williams dissapeared yet they won by 30 because of the mvp harden
Brodie's going for at least 50 next game. Mark my words... Thunder's gonna bring it and make it a series.
Even if it's regular season imo harden should still win it. It's whatever he did earn it as well .
Commandosoap777 well Westbrook has more 1st place votes than harden, so most likely it will be Westbrook
deonta thomas How did you come across that information
Mcswaggins 88 did I just not say he earned it as well?
Aaron Lamar it leaked
Aaron Lamar docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PKL-DCTLQCyRCNzvt_qWNtIDlCgbfGYVFBpEx4x7Y14/htmlview#gid=125019899
Props to Shannon and Chris for constantly dealing with skips crazyness.
steven adams is used to moving out of the way so that westbrook can get rebounds so he can get a stupid triple double...if adams just played like he can, russ wouldn't get all of those rebounds, lol
2:21 Shannon sounded so appalled "HOUSTON AT 7!??" 😂😂😂
The ending with Shannon 😂😂😂😂😂 "COOKED EM!!!"
HARDEN MVP.
1. HE ALMOST AVARAGES A TRIPLE-DOUBLE
2. TEAM IS 3RD SEED
3. MAKES HIS TEAM BETTER
4.DOESNT STAT PAD
5.PLAYS GOOD AGAINST GOOD TEAMS (WESTBROOK CANT DO THAT)
6.MORE WINS (TRIPLE DOUBLES ARE JUST NUMBERS)
7. IF HARDEN PLAYED WITH THE THUNDER, THUNDER WOULD BE 4TH
IF WESTBROOK PLAYED ROCKETS, ROCKETS WOULD BE 6TH
8. HE MAKES HIS TEAMATES EASIER SHOOTS AND OPEN DUNKS
9. ROCKETS BEAT:
WARRIORS
SPURS
THUNDER
GRIZZLIES
CAVS
WIZARDS
CELTICS
BULLS
RAPTORS... AND MORE
10. ROCKETS BETTER TEAM THAN THUNDER
11. ROCKETS BEAT THUNDER IN SEASON 3-1
12. HARDEN HAS ACTULLY PLAYED BETTER DEFENCE THIS YEAR
13. HARDEN DOESNT GET 10 REBOUND CAUSE HE LETS HIS TEAMATES GET THEM
(RUSSEL WESTBROOKS TEAMATES LETS WESTBROOK GET THE REBOUNDS)
14. THUNDER DIDNT EVEN GET 50 WINS IN SEASON
15. HARDEN HAS 2 50 POINT TRIPLE DOUBLES
16. HAS GOT ALOT OF 35+ POINT GAMES
Is your caps lock broken?
i absolutely love this this show!!!!!!!!!!! thanks skip and sharpe, you guys are great.
I honestly think Harden is the mvp of the regular season. So because Russ averaged two more rebounds than Harden makes him mvp? Yeah, it's cool Russ willed his team to victory from double digit comebacks against the 76ers and Magic in the regular season. But did he do this against conteding teams in the regular season? No.
Samuel Rowe Except he put up a triple double and beat the Cavs. Then there's that triple double he put up against the Spurs where they won by 10...so there's at least two right there
Harden beat the Cavs, Spurs and also the Warriors too. So what's the differenc? People like to bring up the hypothetical that switch westbrook and harden, and the rockets would just be as successful if not more. But that's not the actual scenario. The actual scenario is Harden is putting up similar numbers than Westbrook on better efficiency with more wins and doesn't have a stacked team like the warriors or cavs.
Exactly I'd put my money that the thunder would actually be a contender give James oladipo and Adams it's over those are better players than he has now the only reason people act like rockets players are so great nobody said that until harden made them so much better than they've ever been
Samuel Rowe yeah almost 165+ rebounds yeah not a significant difference
Faris Alkhalidi not enough to justify 255 extra shots because of his lower shooting percentage
James Harden is the most unnapreciated player i have ever seen. People just won't acknowledge his greatness.
Shannon's logic makes no sense. Harden should be the MVP because Westbrook has to take more shots?
The Rockets clearly have an infinitely better supporting cast than the Thunder. In fact, they set an NBA record for most 3-pointers in a single season by a team.
The fact that Westbrook was able to get the Thunder the 6th seed in a deep Western Conference shows he should be the MVP.
keep making excuses for Westbrook it just proves he is overrated
Mark Robinson West isn't that deep after the first 3
LOL I like how the video ends with Shannon yelling COOKED HIM!
lol, Taj Gibson is a borderline all star with the Bulls, he suffers in OKC because of Westbrook. Kanter and Adams were monsters in the playoffs last year, now playing with the ultimate hero baller in Westbrook has devalued their games. no way is Westbrook the MVP. #WinsNotStats
If the argument is no help, then Davis was the true MVP getting his team into the playoffs.
Everyone just changes their minds after one game. Lmfaoooo. Dead.
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In that 1995 Rockets V spurs series Shannon referred to when they gave David Robinson the MVP. Hakeem Olajuwon went on a tear, dismantling Robinson in every aspect. The Dream was something else
Westbrook isn't a franchise player. His inability to make others better and inability to impact the game in other ways besides scoring limits him from taking his team to new heights like Bron and harden have done when they're focal points of the franchise
Hayah7 no you idiot
Kambui Bomani I bet you're a Kobe fan
non yobussiness nah. I'm just saying the hard truth
Hayah7 they have a better scheme. Compare both teams starting five and OKC has better players.
You're absolutely ridiculous. Westbrook not a franchise player? lol
You gotta love Shannon's conviction
All year I believed that if Russ played slightly differently their record would have been better. Not drastically better, but better. I still believe that is true, but watching the game against Houston just confirmed that the man has no help whatsoever. They couldn't even make layups or run the break well, the only time they looked dangerous was when Russ was attacking and when Roberson hit a few outside shots in a row. I wouldn't be surprised if they were swept, they have no other scorers on the team besides Russ. When Harden goes to the bench he has Lou Will and EG come on the floor and create some scoring opportunities, if KD is struggling then Steph/Klay/Draymond get some baskets and create offense, if LBJ is struggling then Kyrie and Kevin Love create some offense, Lillard has CJ, CP3 has Blake, Jimmy Butler has D-Wade. Basically in the regular season, you can win games with one primary superstar, but when it comes to the playoffs, balanced teams with numerous stars will dominate "one-man show" teams. That is why the #1 seed Boston Celtics won't make it far, they rely too heavily on IT, the same way that the Thunder rely too heavily on Westbrook.
When Shannon yelled out "houston in seven" I laughed out loud.
Harden with OKC would be a top 4 seed, Russ with Rockets is still 6th
A Person so true people just hate on harden I guess because his style of play but everyone around him always improves except for the cancer known as Dwight Howard
Hayah7 Harden did the same without shooters !
lol harden in 2015 took pappanikola, Tarik black, corey brewer, Nick Johnson and Josh Smith to the SECOND SEED IN THE WEST WITH 56 WINS. Harden is much better at making others better then westi PLUS HARDEN IS THE BETTER DEFENDER OF THE TWO
No just no
i love how neglected to mention,beverley,Howard,Ariza etc,he had way more help in 2015 than russ has now,thats just facts,he also took that same team to a 41-41 record,got demolished by the warriors both years irregardless
I like Chris, he is always consistent with his points and doesn't waffle about how Ray Allen saved Lebron's legacy.
Patrick Beverly>Russell Westbrook
Also watch bums that called Westbrook MVP switch up now like they did with James Harden lol
Westbrook still MVP
Steph Curry The G.O.A.T bandwagon
Shannon sharpe is something else haha too funny. I love Chris Broussard's points on the NBA and players
Ah the playoffs, stat padding becomes useless, fighting ur own teammates for defensive rebounds is useless, ball hogging with terrible field goal % and 3 pt % is even more useless. Harden MVP
Harden had 3 amazing seasons in a row and went deep in the playoffs and barely gets love
Rockets do have better players and better shooters lets get real
Walter Black who's the second best player for the rockets? Williams, who was the 6th man for the Lakers? Gordon who was mediocre with New Orleans with Davis and Holiday? Anderson who was injured half the season? Harden made his teammates better, Westbrook doesn't which is the reason why Durant left
Ill stop you right there. James Harden (Superstar) + VETERAN CONSISTENT/EFFECIENT SHOOTERS ON EVERY SIDE OF THE COURT vs Westbrook (Superstar)..with not one person that can get the ball in the bucket
Walter Black yeah we know that now but the point is why were Victor Oladipo, Enes Kanter and Adams looked at as better players than Eric Gordon, Ryan Anderson and Clint Capela before the season started and why are they now all of sudden better now? Lets give all that credit to Mike Dantoni right?
Walter Black yeah like I said they don't play team ball with Russ
"you didn't hear a word I said didn't you..." CB for MVP
Harden has a better team, if Russ doesn't get the triple double they lose
Ask yourself who is the second best player for the rockets? Williams, who was the 6th man for the Lakers, or how about Gordon who was mediocre at New Orleans with Holiday and Davis, Anderson, who was injured half the season. Harden made the team better. And when Westbrook does have triple doubles and lose, most of his loses are by blowouts.
Eg, Lou Will, Ariza, and arguably Pat Bev are better than everyone except Russell. Russells play doesn't make people better sort of like kobe, I agree with you there Harden is a better teammate but with the cast Russell has I think they playing to their max and if Russell doesnt get the triple double their chances of winning are slimmer. Like when kobe HAD to take 25, 30 shots, they have nobody really. Harden can get 20, 5, and 5 and they win
Nobody on okc can really create other than olidepo (spell check) and he's not really a first option
Shannon knows the LIL B cooking dance by heart.
Westbrook plays to stat pad Harden plays to win.
Westbrook's numbers are inflated
Westbrook would be the lowest seed to win the mvp in over 25 years
Evan Samuel how can you read russ mind damnnn
Evan Samuel James Hardens stats are super inflated as well like wth does that matter lol
Colin Tavares he had the exact same stats last year except 3 less assists per game
Nope not stat padding. When you let up and get complacent, you lose.
James Harden has +2 rebounds and +4 assists per game this year from last year, Russell Westbrook has + 0 assists per game and + 4 rebounds per game. Westbrook also increased his points but he is trying to fill the void that Kevin Durant has left. They both increased there stats from last season to this season but are in different situations so they do different things. I just don't get how people call Westbrook stat padding when he literally has to do everything for that team to win the game where as James Harden doesn't (still needs to do a lot but not anywhere near the same as Westbrook.)
Shannon is hilarious 😂😂😂
Olajuwon cook them !! And put them in the popcorn machine, Had em popping around "". # red Nation...
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every time I see Broussard, I feel more confident about my linen
harden should be mvp, plain & simple
Matt The Knicks Fan ur a knicks fan
Boot Snore so that ruins my credability? shut up
Matt The Knicks Fan no what ruins your credibility* is your grammar...
First Name Last Name i forgot the internet is english class.... i guarantee ive watched more knicks gamed than you have nba basketball so lets not go there
The MVP is a REGUALR SEASON award.
The Houston Rockets were projected to finish 11th this year. They lost Dwight and gained Eric Gordon and Ryan Anderson, two offensive players who do nothing to help Houston's defense, they had no legit big man, so it was basically going to be just Harden. Meanwhile, the Thunder were projected to finish 7th, with some solid big guys in Steven Adams and Enes Kanter as well as the additions of Illyasova and Oladipo to go along with their old supporting cast.
Houston finished 3rd, OKC finished 6th.
And now, everyone says Harden has better help. Look, Eric Gordon and Ryan Anderson were never expected to be this good. Capela, Nene, Beverly, all have played much better than they were expected to. Coincidence? I think not. Thank Harden and thank D'Antoni.
This is some bs. OKC isn't even on the same planet as Houston. Freaking Oladipo is considered a star on this team! Harden is surrounded by great shooters and players like Beverly to defend for him. Russ has one bad night and some ppl base the whole season on that?! Cmon guys its barely Game 1, enough with the Harden stuff. He's had an amazing year, but he stat pads just as much as Russ. Westbrook for MVP, enough said
# thebeautifulgame How Sway??? go back to watching Barcelona games if you watched thunder games no one pads more than Padbrook he leads the league in uncontested rebounds and leads the league in least contested shots when defending and a real mvp makes players around him better and Westbrook doesn't he's selfish and always wants to play hero ball
#thebeautifulgame and who is to blame for that???instead of figuring out some chemistry btw him and his team mates and making sure they all function at thier optimal level,the guy instead went for a solo season.dont blame does guys plz...they basically spent the regular season watching westbrook play basketball
Chris LEGENDED coaching plays a big role too. Mike D Antoni can lead an offense. OKC coach pretty much says "give the ball to Russ". And no way is OKC anywhere nearly as talented as Houston
# thebeautifulgame hmm d antoni can lead an offense? Why didn't he do that in LA or the knicks? Did he forget how to do that then?
Fearbleeds Lakers and the Knicks? Cmon dude one of the worst 2 teams in the NBA, it takes more than coaching. But with the bunch of talented shooters Houston has, D Antoni can make it click.
I thought I read the craziest comment the other day when a guy said P Bev would own Westbrook. Props to the guy at least for that one game he was spot on.
The Rockets cooked OKC. Russ has no help.
Levin Zen they acting like Harden strapped up Westbrook and scored on him too.
Levin Zen he has 2 top 5 picks playin alongside him while harden and dantoni revived careers. yall act like gordon and anderson are clamp gods that are perrenial all stars
Levin Zen here comes the "Westbrook has no help" excuse, cut the bs harden makes his teammates better and Westbrook doesn't
Levin Zen 6-23
deonta thomas oladipo is okc 2ND best scoring option and he was 1/12 . where is his help
when your gameplan revolves around getting your pg double digit rebounds and you get outrebounded by double digits
Russ wastebrook really don't have no help.
kuur 313
Victor Oladipo? Steven Adams? Enes Kanter?
You listing those guys like he got three all stars or superstars. Those guys are just average role players with little to no athleticism.
Hero Miles then who's the rockets second best player? Williams, the 6th man for the lakers? Gordon who was mediocre for New Orleans with Holiday and Davis? Anderson was injured half the season? Harden made his team better. I'll take Oladipo, Kanter, Adams over all those three I just mentioned. Westbrook doesn't utilize his teammates, which is why they can't do better with him, which also explains why Durant left.
But the Thunder was projected to have a better record than Rockets before the season started.
Ultimate Venom Harden's teammates are all better shooters. Great 3-pt. shooting gives you a whole new dimension and completely changes the game with how much spacing it creates and how much those extra points add up. Just look at Golden State. Almost every team in the league has been forced to adapt.
Chris brosaurd, i couldn't have said it better!!
Russ had 10 turnovers. 10!!!
lol Harden MVP
BeastMode 21 harden lead the league in turnovers
cian mcgrath not when it mattered
BeastMode 21 Russell Westbrook had 9 turnovers last night against the Houston Rockets.
9 is not good either
I thought MVP was regular season?
I didn't know one playoff game determined a REGULAR SEASON AWARD
Russ has no body playing with him , his whole team is a joke. put some respect on Russ name
mrbigs g okc was projected to have better record and Russ teammates were ranked ahead ofv hardens, but now he doesn't have help lmaoo, joke. If harden doesn't win mvp it will be a travesty.
who's the second best player for the rockets? Williams, who was the 6th man for the Lakers? Gordon who was mediocre with New Orleans with Davis and Holiday? Anderson who was injured half the season? Harden made his teammates better, Westbrook doesn't which is the reason why Durant left
god i LOVE CHRIS BROUSSARD
harden the real MVP lol
facts!
Young Man what you expect the Thunder to beat the Rockets? 😂
the dream vs admiral piece is spot on Shannon
It was one game, Russ cooked him earlier in the season too
MVP is a regular season award. If you want to reward winning, that's what FINALS MVP is for - Best player on the best team.
Please, stop Shannon from talking about the NBA....he's just annoying and opinion can not be taken serious
he's smarter than skip
Abdi Yusuf lol normally but when it comes to basketball he goes stupid
He's better than Skip and less annoying than SAS. I can live with that.
9:20 lol "all of a sudden they lose, he got no help." I think everyone all season has been saying he has no help. Its been pretty clear the whole year
This isn't even a fair comparison. Harden has been playing under D'antoni who is 10x the coach that Billy Donovan is and made Nash and Stoudemire who they were. Westbrook has had to deal with losing the biggest helps to his team in KD and Ibaka all in one year.