No...that makes no sense. No man to man means zone..which means ball movement..would make iso ball difficult..you wanna see that, go to a college game.
So true! And, they should get fined hard! A flop in the regular season is a month salary fine. And a flop in the playoffs is a year salary fine. That will end it instantly! :-)
Kawhi was leaning away from the basket and Zaza continued into his space. Harden and Paul are leaning forward taking advantage of the rule. Can't blame them for finding loopholes but at same time they're setting a bad example.
I may be wrong here, but I’ve seen a lot of Jump Shooters in the past lean forward in their shot. And that’s even before this rule, so I wouldn’t necessarily say they are taking advantage of the rule if their shooting form consist of them leaning forward.
@@nazarethernandez2623 you're not wrong about people leaning forward on their shots but the way harden and cp3 are doing it is different. They kick their legs out and land in an unnatural way so they can hunt for the foul.
Using Kenny's logic, we should start hiring long jumpers so every 3 point attempt, they jump forward to the defender to get the foul since the defender is "inhibiting" him
@@237doogie6 yeah I agree and I agree with Kenny. It was in Harden's head so he exaggerated the last one. You can't miss all of those calls and the boys broke it down well
So based on the logic provided by Shaq and Kenny, as a shooter I would just kick my feet out on every shot like Harden since it impedes my shot and is technically a foul whether it is natural shooting form or not
John Son nope, that's not what they were arguing. Kenny said that the last one was a 50-50 call that should have been made just because so many were missed earlier.
@@TheDareD3vil i get that some of them were legit fouls but honestly some of them were not for example the Chris Paul shot where he threw his hip into Shaun Livingston to try to draw a foul. The rockets are putting the refs in an even tougher spot to have to figure out whether they are flopping or really getting fouled. Refs are already bad enough don't need to make their job harder.
John Son that one was a foul if u look at it if CP had landed straight down he woulda twisted his ankle. It’s the refs fault. He didn’t believe the refs would call a clear foul so he had to sell it
I don't think its about flopping as it is about consistency in the playoffs. If you don't want to call these calls in playoffs then don't call in regular season. Simple
Wikkitt Klown who cares how well he was shooting they were still in the game. You telling me that since he was shooting 25% you’ll live with that shot? What if Steph was shooting 25%?
You cant concentrate on making shots when they bump you while on your jumpshot. Stop acting like they weren’t fouls. The last one was not a foul but my God those three calls in the first half. Jesus
klay jumps into harden 3 times at least curry did once and kd fouled cp3 as did shaun...the last shot wasn't a foul but only cause harden jumped sorta forward and it didnt affect the shot....but It could easily be a foul..thats like 8 missed calls man..
The point that's being missed is that the game should not be about drawing fouls, it should be about scoring points and preventing the other team from scoring. The Rockets should focus on playing the game.
DaLeadBull That’s fine. But that doesn’t mean Klay didn’t blatantly foul Harden multiple times at the three point line. These aren’t ticky tack fouls, which you could argue the Rockets get too many of, we’re talking the blatant fouls.
I think what happened on the last one with Harden is that he was bracing for impact. It has happened many times earlier in the game so he expected to be hit. Regardless, this was a poorly officiated game for both teams.
“As a shooter that’s a foul” As a shooter every shots a foul, that’s why the shooters don’t call the fouls, if you jump forward and move your landing space with the intention of getting a foul, it’s not a foul, if you hurt yourself that’s your fault, if the defender jumps into the space that you lifted from then it is a foul, simple as that, not about landing space per say, it’s about where you lift from
Everyone KNOWS Harden flops. EVERYONE!. He didn't get a few calls and the world is ending! Curry a couple of seasons already doesn't get calls and doesn't flop, and no one is saying anything. So much disrespect. Pathetic on houston part. PATHETIC. Emberrasing! Flopball is the name of the game.
One of the reasons defenders jump at shooters and sometimes infringe on their "landing areas" is because they got blasted into the next area code with a forearm shiver. Harden does this every time--and why not, since it's never called.
I think it ironic that the Rockets are complaining about the refs not going by the letter of the law and then the spirit of the law keeps Chris Paul from being suspended. Bad and missed calls for and against both teams. Next play.
The NBA has been rigged since 1979. They want their next great team the Golden State Warriors to win. Look at videos from game 6 in the 1993 playoff series of the Seattle Supersonics vs the Houston Rockets. The Rockets were up 3-2 and winning game 6 by 14 points until the refs took over. The Rockets ended up losing games 6 and 7, and the NBA ended up getting it's Barkley vs Jordan NBA finals. They put Magic in LA. Bird in Boston. Hakeem Olajuwon from UofH in Houston; tried to get Drexler there in 83, 84 and 85. Put Stockton from Gonzaga and Malone the outdoorsman in Utah. Patrick Ewing the brawler in NY. Barkley in Philadelphia to rebuild after Dr J and Fo,Fo,Fo retired. Put David Robinson a retired military man in San Antonio, a military city with 4 major bases. Duncan also in San Antonio because he's quiet and humble. San Antonio is also a very Christian religious town. Kobe demanding a trade to LA and no punishment for doing so. The early 2000 Pistons team rehashing on the Bad Boy Piston team. Ron Artest was as dirty as Bill Laimbeer. Don't know if I spelled Laimbeer right, lol. They put LeBron in Cleveland. He's from Cleveland. MJ in Chicago could be argued, but it's a major market that was looking for a star. Would MJ have the same career with the bullets/wizards? Yao Ming in Houston which has almost a 20% Asian population. Kevin Durant, James Harden and Westbrook all in Oklahoma City to play together. To bad that didn't work. Alonso Mourning who is part Latin in Miami, which has a gigantic Latin population. Probably the biggest. They put Vince Carter, a high flying exciting player, in Toronto when the Raptors were wanting to leave because they were losing money. Toronto is now a major market NBA team. I mean the list goes on and on.
Thank god these guys aren't owned by ESPN. Just running the league ownership & commissioner narrative, whatever sells more. Agree with Kenny, both teams are historic greats btw
I LOVE my Lakers and Shaq as well, but he should be ONE OF THE LAST criticizing others (Chuck) for whining about officiating and not getting to the line for free throws LOL.
Hung Chin he wasn’t criticizing , he wanted Charles to accept the fact that every nba player whines about calls , it’s the nature of the game. And Shaq got fouled more than just about anyone in nba history so your point is invalid either way 🤷🏾♂️
WarDell You are definitely right - Shaq took a TON of punishment. Insane amounts due to his size strength and pure domination . How could you properly ref a guy like that? My point, however, is not invalid. Shaq tries to play down a lot of things and act like he is innocent or on the “other side.” He even agreed with Draymond’s mom at the end of the show BUT agreed with Kenny at the same time that it was a foul. LOL WHAT!? What I meant by the criticizing of chuck was that Shaq automatically discredits chuck and groups him into this group of whiners. But you are right - Teams in the NBA complain about every little thing and that connection could be made by what was mentioned.
Then in other words if every shot is a foul then in reality a shooter should just shoot the ball even if the defense is chest to chest. He would be fouled, have no landing area, and possibly get a shot off. There's no realistic way of defending a shot under those rules.
Shadow the Hawk You’re supposed to contest straight up. It’s really easy not to get called for a foul on jumpshots. Warriors are really straddling the fence
The only thing that matters most for me, is that when a defender lands with his feet under the shooters feet it should be a foul. (What happend on klay defending the shot agains harden) I have my own experience ripping my tendons in my ankle because of a defender jumping under my jumpshot. The nba needs to make it clear that you can NOT land under a jumpshot when defending. I do believe that when green went for the shot contest it was harden who threw his feet forwarth on purpose to get a foul. I think harden should worry more about his own health and let the officials do the rest when its landing under a shooter.
kenny’s logic is flawed because he’s suggesting that all shots made by a “shooter” should be that of a free throw where the opponent can only compete with the defensive rebound..a shooter would therefore prefer the free throws than actually making the shot...
4:28 - Klay was defending well, but James needs separation, so he pushed off Klay (Offensive foul - Harden) 4:29 - After push off Klay, goes up to contest, since James is going for the jumper after push off 4:30 - Klay's moment carried into landing space of James (Shooting foul - Klay) If this play was reviewed, it should be called Offensive foul on Harden, since that's the first foul of the play
@Wikkitt Klown Just for lulz. ESPN comentator at GSW LAC was so dumb. I don't remember, who says it first, but they both about minute, or so discuss how Durant is bad at rules. Durant lost the ball from 2 hands and dance around ball to protect it, and don't touch to avoid double dribble. This 2 genius (one of em even was GWS coach) keep talking about "you can take ball at any time" and why Durant play is unnecessary.
Same situation with Danny Green covering Jimmy Butler. Except Danny went vertical and Jimmy jackknifed his legs forward. So it’s shouldn’t have been a foul.
Lets not contest the shooters kenny.Or we shouldnt even breath on them. We should pay respect to them and be sorry for being on the same court with them.Klays contest is a faul but cp3 and harden on the last shot were kicking.
the irony of shaq making fun of chuck for getting all the calls, but he knows deep down one of his rings is on his fingers was gifted rather than earned
imo the rule should be smth like u cant step into where the shooter jumped off of, otherwise it's just impossible to defend good 3 point shooters (especially that double step back from Harden ). There is no problem with jumping forward a lil bit when shooting long range shots, but sometimes it is just too much, and unnatural. Maybe i'm biased, since i hate that "playing to get fouled". That's just not my idea of how basketball is supposed to be played.
What’s annoying is all ballers know that if you got the defenders leaning and jumping at your every shot - do a PUMP FAKE ! They could actually gotten some calls that way
If the league is indeed making that much profits, invest them back in the games and put in 1 or 2 more officials per playoff game or high leverage games during regular season. In addition, change the rules on this in the name of protecting the players if the league really care about players' health and want to prevent Kawhi Zaza incident. If the defender is closing the gap in multiple small steps towards the shooter, while torso remains vertical and his feet are also in the landing area of the shooter, like Klay and Zaza did, then call it a foul no matter what. For the sake of protecting shooters' ankles. If the defender is closing the gap by a single forward leap, while the hand in the air and torso have a visible angle leaning forward towards the shooter, then use whatever rules that are already in place.
They wouldn't be under his feet if he wasn't jumping into that area. He's shifting his legs into the radius of where their feet and body will be closing out
I dont get that logic that people are mad. Some people will just randomly shoot the ball when being guarded and throw themself into the defender and say that's a foul. That's something I dont understand, i dont know why they're making this into such a big deal although it is wrong.
These players know where the shooters are landing. They're intentionally invading the shooter's space which includes the landing. That's dirty. And I wouldn't be surprised if this was something Steve Kerr or Warriors management cooked up. If I take a jumpshot and I know these players are going to have their feet under me, it would mess with my psyche and throw off my shot, let alone injure me.
Goes both ways. I wouldn’t be surprised if Houston practices jumping forward for every jump shot. How do you take 3 steps back, shoot and land a whole foot forward.?
The problem comes from the term landing space, it’s not about where you land it’s about where to take off from, if you move from that spot than it’s your responsibility to not jump on things that could hurt your ankles, the foul needs to occur when someone moves under where you took your shot from, floppers deserve techs, they make the game weak, the same sort of weakness these guys always complain about
I can give you at least 4 position in that game Rockets defence did same thing and refs didn't call it but somehow people just talk about Harden's because we all know he plays for getting fouls and when he couldn't, he cries
didnt they make kicking your feet out to create contact illegal cause of what reggie miller used to do. harden kicked his legs which went against the rule idgaf what anyone says they made a rule and they gotta stick too it.
Come on man, give shooters more space. You wonder why ratings are down and then we have to take the defenders out - no hand checking, give the shooter a 6 ft circle to land. I mean do we really want 3 point jackers begging for a foul.. What Harden is doing is bad for the game and I'm pretty happy that some of these were no calls. He's not looking to make a play, he is looking to draw a foul.
All guys complaining about the NBA being soft should think how good the NBA would be if all the best players were out with broken ankles. I get not penalising the physical contact too much but throwing your legs under the shooter isn't good defense nor a technically correct play. The truth is that stricter rules don't mean less defense, rather better defense. Great defenders are quick on their feet and don't need to push, grab or make dirty plays to effectively contest a shot. Nostalgics need to go back and see all the complaints that were made about the Bad Boy Pistons and even Rodman who is now considered an example of great defender, people were complaining about pushes, hits and uncalled fouls.
Even if the refs missed 4 calls, guess what? They gave Harden and the Rockets about 400 calls throughout the regular season that they shouldn't have gotten. So I have no sympathy for them sorry.
Thats the issue. You cant officiate differently in the post season than the regular season. “The players want consistency”. Either call it every time or dont at all.
the nab admits they missed 3 calls in the last 2 minutes alone that all would of helped the rockets lol..not to mention the 5 illegal screens the warriors do per quarter and get away with
Rule was made to keep defenders from jumping into the shooter and denying him a place to land...It was not made to allow the shooter to jump, shoot and then whip his legs into the defender and cry about being fouled...When the offensive player is initiating contact by leg whipping or jumping into the defender then the offensive player is the one committing the foul...Harden needs to quit crying about a tactic he developed or the NBA is going to clue in quickly and change the rule to stop this ridiculous exploitation of what the rule was originally written for...
JH n CP- use the move to their advantage- its refs officiating during reg season that confuses me- refs letting players play in finals is breathe of fresh air
kenny smith has no idea what he is talking about. you cant reward a guy for missing a shot on purpose just to exaggerate his movement to draw a foul. the defender shouldnt lunge forward but also the offensive player shouldnt be lunging on their shot and positioning their feet to land in the are of the feet of the defender to manipulate the officiating into giving him calls. harden does a masterful job at it seems as though every new rule change or protection for the offensive player james harden finds a new way to manipulate it in his favor. at some point the forward leg kicks should be called offensive fouls because the shooter isnt protecting himself and is trying to deceive officiating into thinking his landing space is being compromised. i want rockets to win this series and be done with the warriors but at some point they have to stop whistle hunting and look to make their shots. man up take real contact and stop acting.
I seen in alot of games when harden hits his stepback the ref 99% of the time let's the defender recover however they can because harden always throws his shoulder or pretty much does borderline offensive foul type move before the stepback so instead of calling it they let the defender close as much as he needs to without touching him anybody else idk but that's how they been reffin james
None of the them know basic physics ? It not like any of it deliberate events as end result. but rather angles of body at initial start and compensation that follows. Foul or not foul should be determined by time and angles of contact and landing spot need to be judged in relation to starting position, long jumpers to consider as example. So if compensation taking 9 meters to full stop who is foul is that ?
Also watch hit foot when he reaches the peak of his shot formation, looks good its vertical. Now, look when hes coming down you can see his leg jut out forward and his body falling backwards. Enough said. No foul. He boutta hurt himself.
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Eventually the NBA will remove man to man defense and games will be 160 points high
D-G so sad but fax
Wikkitt Klown you $pell Clown wit a K.. Clown
sound like netball to me
No...that makes no sense. No man to man means zone..which means ball movement..would make iso ball difficult..you wanna see that, go to a college game.
Well they definitely don’t have any defense and the points are scoring high
The league should make it possible /legal to review a flop. If it is a flop it's automaticly a technical foul on the flopper.
Flopping will end!
So true! And, they should get fined hard! A flop in the regular season is a month salary fine. And a flop in the playoffs is a year salary fine. That will end it instantly! :-)
Den Cyklende Låsesmed Østerbro | that’s a bit overkill on the years worth of salary fine don’t you feel? :p
Den Cyklende Låsesmed Østerbro you’re crazy
They won't do it since it will make the games "longer"
Straight up start calling flops in the moment. Throw some free throws in the mix, done.
Kawhi was leaning away from the basket and Zaza continued into his space. Harden and Paul are leaning forward taking advantage of the rule. Can't blame them for finding loopholes but at same time they're setting a bad example.
Agree
I may be wrong here, but I’ve seen a lot of Jump Shooters in the past lean forward in their shot. And that’s even before this rule, so I wouldn’t necessarily say they are taking advantage of the rule if their shooting form consist of them leaning forward.
@@nazarethernandez2623 you're not wrong about people leaning forward on their shots but the way harden and cp3 are doing it is different. They kick their legs out and land in an unnatural way so they can hunt for the foul.
@@nazarethernandez2623 I would agree but Paul changed his shot a little to create contact since being around Harden
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Shaq's look to the producer when he got interrupted twice is priceless!
Using Kenny's logic, we should start hiring long jumpers so every 3 point attempt, they jump forward to the defender to get the foul since the defender is "inhibiting" him
Hello 2030 I know “inhibiting” like kenny said is effectively kenny saying when someone contests a shot That is a foul
Using Kenny's logic, every fan cheering in the stadium is a foul because they're trying to inhibit the oposing team's shooters.
But the thing is, it's true. You will get your ankle sprained if someone puts there feet under you. I'm not saying it's right but that's the truth
+@@fagaspar2007 that statement made no sense and had no correlation to what Kenny said
Chuck said it best they both complain a lot on calls
Neither team deserves to win the championship.
@@chrismathgenius ridiculous comment
@@doc8013 Factual comment nonetheless 😂😂😂
@@Jon155mt maybe you should look up what factual means because it most definitely wasn't his comment.
Christopher Alexander 👍🏽😁😅
First 3 in first half were fouls.Last one vs draymond wasn't its that simple.
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Waisner Correct. Although there was more than 3 throughout the game that were not called.
SanAntoBalla I talk about Harden only
Thats makes it not simple. 3 fuckn calls are too much to miss, since it was sp obvious
@@237doogie6 yeah I agree and I agree with Kenny. It was in Harden's head so he exaggerated the last one. You can't miss all of those calls and the boys broke it down well
Steph and Klay don’t jump forward 5 ft when they shoot 3s
everyone has a different shooting motion
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Mate no-one should shoot falling down
Reggie Miller kicks his leg forward when he shoots
@@Kria3 they banned Reggie Miller's leg kick though. James Harden is bringing it back because of the Zaza rule.
So based on the logic provided by Shaq and Kenny, as a shooter I would just kick my feet out on every shot like Harden since it impedes my shot and is technically a foul whether it is natural shooting form or not
John Son nope, that's not what they were arguing. Kenny said that the last one was a 50-50 call that should have been made just because so many were missed earlier.
It would be easier to believe if harden didnt fall on every single 3 he shoots. I bet that's how he practices his 3s.
Thank you!! Shaq literally said when he kicks his feet out he gets the call so he keeps doing it.. Why is that not considered cheating?!?!
@@TheDareD3vil i get that some of them were legit fouls but honestly some of them were not for example the Chris Paul shot where he threw his hip into Shaun Livingston to try to draw a foul. The rockets are putting the refs in an even tougher spot to have to figure out whether they are flopping or really getting fouled. Refs are already bad enough don't need to make their job harder.
John Son that one was a foul if u look at it if CP had landed straight down he woulda twisted his ankle. It’s the refs fault. He didn’t believe the refs would call a clear foul so he had to sell it
Kenny makes me eye roll so hard sometimes.
Frrrrrr. He's starting to really just annoy me now. Chuck and Ernie are the only ones I enjoy now lol
“As a shooter”
Rockets were so focused on getting to the free throw line rather than actually playing to win.
But only lost by 3 sooo?
free throw is a part of the game
@Suzal Gautam it is
Exactly if they focused on actually making the shots and the rockets actually call plays they would have beat the warriors
@Ross Martinez warriors had 20 TURNOVERS and rockets complaining about freethrows. MAKE YOUR SHOTS.
I can't listen to SportsCenter talk about this, I gotta come here for the expert and honest analysis.
I don't think its about flopping as it is about consistency in the playoffs. If you don't want to call these calls in playoffs then don't call in regular season. Simple
Honestly if Harden just shot it to make it instead of trying to make contact we wouldn't be talking about this and maybe the rockets would have won...
Wikkitt Klown who cares how well he was shooting they were still in the game. You telling me that since he was shooting 25% you’ll live with that shot? What if Steph was shooting 25%?
You cant concentrate on making shots when they bump you while on your jumpshot. Stop acting like they weren’t fouls. The last one was not a foul but my God those three calls in the first half. Jesus
Wikkitt Klown bro quit complaining 😂. I see 2 comments from you in a row straight bitching
Chuck - that one? That one? That one?
Shaq - Yeah that one
Chuck - that one?
Draymonds defense on that last shot was good but klays were fouls
Scott Foster is one of the refs calling the game tonight, the ref Houston dislikes so there will be more crying during and after the game.
Wikkitt Klown The bad news is that Scott favors the road teams more in games
@Wikkitt Klown you sound pleasant
Exaggerated...flopped..kick out. You as a "shooter" I suppose you know what you're doing Kenny.
He was a career 49 percent FG, 40 percent 3 point , and 83 percent free throw shooter I'd say Kenny has some ground to stand on as a shooter.
Warriors: "No team could be more unlikable than us."
Rockets: "Hold my audit."
Kawhi jumps out and fades back though James harden kicks his feet forward usually
I love how tonight a ref that Harden got fined for trash talking is officiating. Oh boy.
Scott Foster got the call from vegas to be the 6th man of the year for gsw.
Barkley: “ That’s not a foul”.
Barkley: “That’s a foul”.
Kenny: “It’s a same play different angle “. 😂🤣😂
Kenny is an idiot clearly different part of the court
look at Michael jumpers ,Karl Malone , and Bryant from L.A. they went straight up. this guy is jumping into the defender. offensive fowl all of them
You clearly don't ball. Everyone has different jumpers. Curry definitely falls forwards, same with Kyrie.
klay jumps into harden 3 times at least curry did once and kd fouled cp3 as did shaun...the last shot wasn't a foul but only cause harden jumped sorta forward and it didnt affect the shot....but It could easily be a foul..thats like 8 missed calls man..
The point that's being missed is that the game should not be about drawing fouls, it should be about scoring points and preventing the other team from scoring. The Rockets should focus on playing the game.
DaLeadBull That’s fine. But that doesn’t mean Klay didn’t blatantly foul Harden multiple times at the three point line.
These aren’t ticky tack fouls, which you could argue the Rockets get too many of, we’re talking the blatant fouls.
I think what happened on the last one with Harden is that he was bracing for impact. It has happened many times earlier in the game so he expected to be hit.
Regardless, this was a poorly officiated game for both teams.
“As a shooter that’s a foul”
As a shooter every shots a foul, that’s why the shooters don’t call the fouls, if you jump forward and move your landing space with the intention of getting a foul, it’s not a foul, if you hurt yourself that’s your fault, if the defender jumps into the space that you lifted from then it is a foul, simple as that, not about landing space per say, it’s about where you lift from
Gucci flip flops
I love you shaq
Everyone KNOWS Harden flops. EVERYONE!. He didn't get a few calls and the world is ending! Curry a couple of seasons already doesn't get calls and doesn't flop, and no one is saying anything. So much disrespect. Pathetic on houston part. PATHETIC. Emberrasing!
Flopball is the name of the game.
curry flops as well. he flips his hips up after coming off of a screen
Great perspective from a non bias former rockets player.
One of the reasons defenders jump at shooters and sometimes infringe on their "landing areas" is because they got blasted into the next area code with a forearm shiver. Harden does this every time--and why not, since it's never called.
"I gottcha back momma Green" XDD
I think it ironic that the Rockets are complaining about the refs not going by the letter of the law and then the spirit of the law keeps Chris Paul from being suspended.
Bad and missed calls for and against both teams. Next play.
The NBA has been rigged since 1979. They want their next great team the Golden State Warriors to win.
Look at videos from game 6 in the 1993 playoff series of the Seattle Supersonics vs the Houston Rockets. The Rockets were up 3-2 and winning game 6 by 14 points until the refs took over. The Rockets ended up losing games 6 and 7, and the NBA ended up getting it's Barkley vs Jordan NBA finals.
They put Magic in LA.
Bird in Boston.
Hakeem Olajuwon from UofH in Houston; tried to get Drexler there in 83, 84 and 85.
Put Stockton from Gonzaga and Malone the outdoorsman in Utah.
Patrick Ewing the brawler in NY.
Barkley in Philadelphia to rebuild after Dr J and Fo,Fo,Fo retired.
Put David Robinson a retired military man in San Antonio, a military city with 4 major bases.
Duncan also in San Antonio because he's quiet and humble. San Antonio is also a very Christian religious town.
Kobe demanding a trade to LA and no punishment for doing so.
The early 2000 Pistons team rehashing on the Bad Boy Piston team. Ron Artest was as dirty as Bill Laimbeer. Don't know if I spelled Laimbeer right, lol.
They put LeBron in Cleveland. He's from Cleveland.
MJ in Chicago could be argued, but it's a major market that was looking for a star. Would MJ have the same career with the bullets/wizards?
Yao Ming in Houston which has almost a 20% Asian population.
Kevin Durant, James Harden and Westbrook all in Oklahoma City to play together. To bad that didn't work.
Alonso Mourning who is part Latin in Miami, which has a gigantic Latin population.
Probably the biggest. They put Vince Carter, a high flying exciting player, in Toronto when the Raptors were wanting to leave because they were losing money. Toronto is now a major market NBA team.
I mean the list goes on and on.
@@JustLikeHeaven77 Um... look at Game 1 of this Rockets vs. GSW series and you can see there were bad and missed calls for amd against BOTH teams.
Thank god these guys aren't owned by ESPN. Just running the league ownership & commissioner narrative, whatever sells more. Agree with Kenny, both teams are historic greats btw
Why is everyone only focusing on fouls on Rockets ? Warriors were fouled too. It's not like it's just Harden and Chris Paul getting fouled !
Yeah just like Curry said yesterday, Warriors could have 10 15 more ft too but the narrative coming out only Rockets didnt get calls.
I LOVE my Lakers and Shaq as well, but he should be ONE OF THE LAST criticizing others (Chuck) for whining about officiating and not getting to the line for free throws LOL.
Hung Chin he wasn’t criticizing , he wanted Charles to accept the fact that every nba player whines about calls , it’s the nature of the game. And Shaq got fouled more than just about anyone in nba history so your point is invalid either way 🤷🏾♂️
WarDell
You are definitely right - Shaq took a TON of punishment. Insane amounts due to his size strength and pure domination . How could you properly ref a guy like that?
My point, however, is not invalid. Shaq tries to play down a lot of things and act like he is innocent or on the “other side.” He even agreed with Draymond’s mom at the end of the show BUT agreed with Kenny at the same time that it was a foul. LOL WHAT!? What I meant by the criticizing of chuck was that Shaq automatically discredits chuck and groups him into this group of whiners.
But you are right - Teams in the NBA complain about every little thing and that connection could be made by what was mentioned.
He beat the kings because of the REFS
Then in other words if every shot is a foul then in reality a shooter should just shoot the ball even if the defense is chest to chest. He would be fouled, have no landing area, and possibly get a shot off. There's no realistic way of defending a shot under those rules.
Shadow the Hawk You’re supposed to contest straight up. It’s really easy not to get called for a foul on jumpshots. Warriors are really straddling the fence
Part of the Rockets offense is the refs. You see they look over at the refs after every shot🤷🏿♂️
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I agree with Kenny. I also think on the last one Harden was trying to brace himself and that's why he put his forearms on Dray
The only thing that matters most for me, is that when a defender lands with his feet under the shooters feet it should be a foul. (What happend on klay defending the shot agains harden) I have my own experience ripping my tendons in my ankle because of a defender jumping under my jumpshot. The nba needs to make it clear that you can NOT land under a jumpshot when defending. I do believe that when green went for the shot contest it was harden who threw his feet forwarth on purpose to get a foul. I think harden should worry more about his own health and let the officials do the rest when its landing under a shooter.
Donezo Ezo I sorta agree but u can’t be already falling backwards like cp3 and harden were doing but I do agree about the one with Klay was a foul
kenny’s logic is flawed because he’s suggesting that all shots made by a “shooter” should be that of a free throw where the opponent can only compete with the defensive rebound..a shooter would therefore prefer the free throws than actually making the shot...
At the last shot, Harden threw his legs forward so much that it looked like he would fall anyway even if Green wasn’t there
4:28 - Klay was defending well, but James needs separation, so he pushed off Klay (Offensive foul - Harden)
4:29 - After push off Klay, goes up to contest, since James is going for the jumper after push off
4:30 - Klay's moment carried into landing space of James (Shooting foul - Klay)
If this play was reviewed, it should be called Offensive foul on Harden, since that's the first foul of the play
Tell 'em Chuck!
Honestly how does Kenny still have a job
Charles and Shaq just needs to go at it because it’s obvious they don’t like each other.
That's why I love them. It makes for great TV.
Shaq was just about to say Bulls**t! 😂😂
person guarding harden: breathes
Harden: “wheres my call?!”
I don’t understand how the defender can’t jump forward but the offense of player always jumps forward that’s counterintuitive
Harden is throwing his legs under his defenders on purpose, that’s not his normal shooting form.
JTrain On the last one, yes.
The rest were normal shooting motions.
Most players jump forward on jumpshots, not up and down.
If you played basketball, you know it was not a foul. And if you think it was a foul you simply do not play the game of basketball
@Wikkitt Klown Just for lulz. ESPN comentator at GSW LAC was so dumb. I don't remember, who says it first, but they both about minute, or so discuss how Durant is bad at rules.
Durant lost the ball from 2 hands and dance around ball to protect it, and don't touch to avoid double dribble.
This 2 genius (one of em even was GWS coach) keep talking about "you can take ball at any time" and why Durant play is unnecessary.
Tips from James: during a layup, grab a arm from the defender. During a shoot, grab a leg.
Cry when you dont get the call
Same situation with Danny Green covering Jimmy Butler. Except Danny went vertical and Jimmy jackknifed his legs forward. So it’s shouldn’t have been a foul.
Best show in sports
Charles always go off the point
Lets not contest the shooters kenny.Or we shouldnt even breath on them. We should pay respect to them and be sorry for being on the same court with them.Klays contest is a faul but cp3 and harden on the last shot were kicking.
Kenny Said it best . Plain and simple
After listening to Kenny smith i think hes the one having a bad day tonight
Somebody please help me understand. When your contesting up under the goal contesting a shot. Vs a three pointer. Why I'd it different.
the irony of shaq making fun of chuck for getting all the calls, but he knows deep down one of his rings is on his fingers was gifted rather than earned
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imo the rule should be smth like u cant step into where the shooter jumped off of, otherwise it's just impossible to defend good 3 point shooters (especially that double step back from Harden ). There is no problem with jumping forward a lil bit when shooting long range shots, but sometimes it is just too much, and unnatural. Maybe i'm biased, since i hate that "playing to get fouled". That's just not my idea of how basketball is supposed to be played.
If the rockets would've and curry fouled out like the nba said Kerr would've been up there complain about the refs
Kenny is dead wrong. The first 3 are fouls, for sure. The last one is absolutely 100% not a foul!
Kenny, you wrong brah! The guy explaining was right 1st one was a foul they missed and the last one wasn't
I can't decide who's the better flopper, harden or cp3.....
Wait didn't the warriors send a tape to the refs because of Patrick Beverley last series?
You can tell Chuck doesnt agree with Shaq and Kenny even at the end and he is right.
What’s annoying is all ballers know that if you got the defenders leaning and jumping at your every shot - do a PUMP FAKE !
They could actually gotten some calls that way
7:50 i know Shaq ain’t talking about refs lol. How quickly one forgets game 6 lakers vs Kings
Anything that happens after the ball leaves your hands does not affect whether the shot goes in or not. Kenny is wrong.
If the league is indeed making that much profits, invest them back in the games and put in 1 or 2 more officials per playoff game or high leverage games during regular season.
In addition, change the rules on this in the name of protecting the players if the league really care about players' health and want to prevent Kawhi Zaza incident.
If the defender is closing the gap in multiple small steps towards the shooter, while torso remains vertical and his feet are also in the landing area of the shooter, like Klay and Zaza did, then call it a foul no matter what. For the sake of protecting shooters' ankles.
If the defender is closing the gap by a single forward leap, while the hand in the air and torso have a visible angle leaning forward towards the shooter, then use whatever rules that are already in place.
the only one which is a foul is where clay takes a second step to close out every other one is a kicking leg by the shooter^^
"It's the same one.."-kenny= dum dum.
They wouldn't be under his feet if he wasn't jumping into that area. He's shifting his legs into the radius of where their feet and body will be closing out
It should be an offensive foul to lean in like that if anything
I dont get that logic that people are mad. Some people will just randomly shoot the ball when being guarded and throw themself into the defender and say that's a foul. That's something I dont understand, i dont know why they're making this into such a big deal although it is wrong.
Bad calls doesn't excuse the bad defense.
I miss when 2k use to have this type of weekend show like on 2k college hoops why dont the do it for 2k it was an optional end of week show
Pretty cool that Ernie could talk to VP of Referee Development. No way the NFL allows that
If u have to sell it it shouldn't be called a foul.
These players know where the shooters are landing. They're intentionally invading the shooter's space which includes the landing. That's dirty. And I wouldn't be surprised if this was something Steve Kerr or Warriors management cooked up. If I take a jumpshot and I know these players are going to have their feet under me, it would mess with my psyche and throw off my shot, let alone injure me.
Goes both ways. I wouldn’t be surprised if Houston practices jumping forward for every jump shot. How do you take 3 steps back, shoot and land a whole foot forward.?
The problem comes from the term landing space, it’s not about where you land it’s about where to take off from, if you move from that spot than it’s your responsibility to not jump on things that could hurt your ankles, the foul needs to occur when someone moves under where you took your shot from, floppers deserve techs, they make the game weak, the same sort of weakness these guys always complain about
I can give you at least 4 position in that game Rockets defence did same thing and refs didn't call it but somehow people just talk about Harden's because we all know he plays for getting fouls and when he couldn't, he cries
This is crazy. If they’re allowed a landing place jumping forward then they’re gonna jump way forward. It’s gonna be more and more exaggerated.
There is no "D" in "NATIONAL BASKETBALL ASSOCIATION". But there are three "O"s.
Can you not go up to defence anymore?
Ernie is the best moderator in the business
hes also a total warriors fan...smdh....I hope curry kisses him like he wants him to...
Bruh... Harden initiated contact on every single one of those plays
didnt they make kicking your feet out to create contact illegal cause of what reggie miller used to do. harden kicked his legs which went against the rule idgaf what anyone says they made a rule and they gotta stick too it.
Come on man, give shooters more space. You wonder why ratings are down and then we have to take the defenders out - no hand checking, give the shooter a 6 ft circle to land. I mean do we really want 3 point jackers begging for a foul.. What Harden is doing is bad for the game and I'm pretty happy that some of these were no calls. He's not looking to make a play, he is looking to draw a foul.
All guys complaining about the NBA being soft should think how good the NBA would be if all the best players were out with broken ankles. I get not penalising the physical contact too much but throwing your legs under the shooter isn't good defense nor a technically correct play. The truth is that stricter rules don't mean less defense, rather better defense. Great defenders are quick on their feet and don't need to push, grab or make dirty plays to effectively contest a shot. Nostalgics need to go back and see all the complaints that were made about the Bad Boy Pistons and even Rodman who is now considered an example of great defender, people were complaining about pushes, hits and uncalled fouls.
Even if the refs missed 4 calls, guess what? They gave Harden and the Rockets about 400 calls throughout the regular season that they shouldn't have gotten. So I have no sympathy for them sorry.
Thats the issue. You cant officiate differently in the post season than the regular season. “The players want consistency”. Either call it every time or dont at all.
the nab admits they missed 3 calls in the last 2 minutes alone that all would of helped the rockets lol..not to mention the 5 illegal screens the warriors do per quarter and get away with
@@razkable lol, keep crying dude
Track is ridiculous.
Shaq: One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. MLK
Rule was made to keep defenders from jumping into the shooter and denying him a place to land...It was not made to allow the shooter to jump, shoot and then whip his legs into the defender and cry about being fouled...When the offensive player is initiating contact by leg whipping or jumping into the defender then the offensive player is the one committing the foul...Harden needs to quit crying about a tactic he developed or the NBA is going to clue in quickly and change the rule to stop this ridiculous exploitation of what the rule was originally written for...
JH n CP- use the move to their advantage- its refs officiating during reg season that confuses me- refs letting players play in finals is breathe of fresh air
kenny smith has no idea what he is talking about. you cant reward a guy for missing a shot on purpose just to exaggerate his movement to draw a foul. the defender shouldnt lunge forward but also the offensive player shouldnt be lunging on their shot and positioning their feet to land in the are of the feet of the defender to manipulate the officiating into giving him calls. harden does a masterful job at it seems as though every new rule change or protection for the offensive player james harden finds a new way to manipulate it in his favor. at some point the forward leg kicks should be called offensive fouls because the shooter isnt protecting himself and is trying to deceive officiating into thinking his landing space is being compromised. i want rockets to win this series and be done with the warriors but at some point they have to stop whistle hunting and look to make their shots. man up take real contact and stop acting.
at some point it got lost that where jump on ur jumpshot is where u should land. straight up straight down.
I seen in alot of games when harden hits his stepback the ref 99% of the time let's the defender recover however they can because harden always throws his shoulder or pretty much does borderline offensive foul type move before the stepback so instead of calling it they let the defender close as much as he needs to without touching him anybody else idk but that's how they been reffin james
Harden with offensive push offs, AND U CAN SEE HIM FALLING DOWN MID SHOT HES DOING IT EVERY TIME
he soft and crying cuz now he aint getting those precious freethrows
None of the them know basic physics ? It not like any of it deliberate events as end result. but rather angles of body at initial start and compensation that follows. Foul or not foul should be determined by time and angles of contact and landing spot need to be judged in relation to starting position, long jumpers to consider as example. So if compensation taking 9 meters to full stop who is foul is that ?
Also watch hit foot when he reaches the peak of his shot formation, looks good its vertical. Now, look when hes coming down you can see his leg jut out forward and his body falling backwards. Enough said. No foul. He boutta hurt himself.