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Installed on my 2019 GT 6speed. Reminds me of the results from the old 10-minute tune up from the fox days. Throttle response is much better. Noticeable increase in torque especially down low. Car just runs and feels better. No delay in the throttle. Not so much up top but it really improves drive ability..
Pretty Important to mention that this GT wasn't bone stock! AFE Drop in air filter and a Steeda H-Pipe on the first dyno, then installed the Ford Performance Power Pack for the 2nd dyno. Not saying that will make a big difference at all, but will definitely change the numbers a bit.
The website mentions that you have to let the car’s computer adjust over a few tanks of gas before all of the horsepower is added so I would suggest you take it to the dyno again after you have done some driving. The horsepower will probably be higher next time you go to the dyno.
@@JDubTwins yea I was just about to mention that. When I got my Ford performance pack for my 2016 eco boost(tune and cold air intake) it said that it would take a few gas cycles to learn the tune, it also said something about doing some pulls at certain rpms. The mustang6g forums have good info on the Ford’s tunes. I say get it dyno’d again.
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You have the setup I want. 10 speed auto because it's quicker, and an H-pipe for the smoother old-school sound. I think X-pipes sound too raspy and annoying. I think this power pack is worth it just for smoothing out the transmission, and making it feel peppier.
Nice video! You sound like a decent guy, so I don’t think you were intentionally trying to mislead anyone with your “lower than expected” numbers, but it’s important to note when Ford Performance advertised +19 hp/+20 tq it was on a bone stock car, running on 89 (I phoned and asked). My understanding is you were on 93 with an AFE filter which probably already bumped you up 12-14 hp. I’m a scientist by nature and profession, so consistency and variables during experimentation are key. That said, I’m running this kit on my ‘20 PP1 A10 and I gained +17 hp/+18 tq and +38tq@2000 rpm. I was running 91 stock and bumped to 94 post-kit install. I ran 2 tanks through before I did the after dyno. Great kit - and YES, my Butt-Dyno loves the improvement!
If I remember correctly, when I did the upload on the software , it asks you if you want the Ford Motorsports program, or if you want the computer to learn . .. you may be down on power because you didn't use the Ford Motorsports program??.. just an idea, maybe you can go back and switch it, I did this on my 17... and I'm really thinking about doing it on my 2000 mile 21'.
Be mindful that those numbers "may" be sea level numbers or maybe Michigan elevation numbers. So if you live higher in elevation your numbers will he different than advertised. This doesn't affect boosed vehicles as much as NA vehicles
I just got my 2020 back today and noticed a big difference in sport+ mode... it downshifts exactly to road conditions... and you are correct, the throttle is much smoother and I noticed it has increased my speed on an exit I take everyday at speed. I was able to get an additional 10 mph than previous top speed tests.. it also seems to shift after third gear, the power band stays at 6K and goes up to 7.5K and the exhaust sounds louder even in normal mode. Sport + mode sounds louder ... Has anyone heard of also changing the manifold to the Bullitt manifold or the GT350 Manifold? Levittown Ford sells the GT350 Manifold and supposedly it fits the 2018-2020 models... Has anyone heard of this swap???
hi man do you think the drop in filter from kn would have done the same for you for far less $$$$$, or this is worth doing to your car, i have the same car but I'm debating whether to go for the drop in or full air intake kit plus a tune if the gains are that low, i know every state has different altitudes and temperatures, but I've been doing some research and all i can see is that doing the kit plus a tune in a hot place like texas is not worth it.
No, getting a drop in filter isn't going to change anything. I had an AFE drop in filter prior to getting this kit/tune and it didn't change anything about the car and how it performed. The tune is going to give you increased throttle response, optimized shifts, an increase in HP and TRQ; results that a drop in filter will definitely not yield. Unless you're saying you want to get a drop in filter with a custom tune, then that would be a different story.
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@@JDubTwins Hey man, thanks for the video! just a bit of advice, you should let people know in the description that you had the AFE drop in filter with a Steeda H-Pipe on your first Dyno... That is DEFINITELY the reason for not getting the full 20HP & 20 Torque.
Car is rated @460hp at the crank, possibly understated, I deleted my resonator , put a cai, stock air box is back on I feel like my power levels never changed, have 20k on it now too, all dynos are different too.
Does the Ford Performance kit you have installed allow you to keep the warranty? Also do you have to go to a authorized dealership to get it installed? Or can you diy and still keep the warranty? Thanks
Yes the kit is covered under warranty. It can either be installed by Ford or an ASE certified shop. I don't think it'll be covered under warranty if you install it yourself.
Hey quick question, not sure if you know or maybe knows someone who does know, can the procal calibration be used for the gt350 manifold? Or would I have to take to get tuned?
What year mustang ? If it's 2018 up the stock manifold is as good as the GT350. The 2015 thru 2017 power pack came with 350 manifold and the procal already calibrated for it. Which I think is the stage 3. Other than that a custom tune is the option.
That's because you got ford number #1 get a JLT 120MM or steeda cold air closed box at 121 mm #2 you weren't properly tuned imho go with palm Beach dyno or vmp or Lund racing
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How did you get to the Pony changed out? I have a 21 PP1 and can’t get my arm in the radiator crack when disconnecting it and having a heck of a time with the plastic pry bar? I got everything else done.
To be honest I think they might have made a slight improvement to the HP and TRQ. I had the H-Pipe and AFE drop in filter at the time they did the baseline dyno.
Late post…In August I placed my order directly from FORD. I then saw/stumbled onto your video - much needed content - then cancelled my order! Especially when they ordered it for the 15-17 - I have a 2019 PP1. Question: Has Ford approached/contacted you about this particular episode regarding their kit’s lack luster performance, contrary to their advertisements?
To answer your question, no Ford hasn't reached out to me. Just to be clear, on the Dyno, the kit produced lack luster numbers. However, I forgot to mention in the video that I had a drop in air filter and H-Pipe installed which may have given me higher than average baseline dyno results to begin with, which would make the post kit install dyno results seem less significant. Also, although Ford didn't say anything about the car having to learn the tune over time, it felt like my car did learn the tune over time because it felt like it was producing more power after driving it a couple hundred miles, but maybe that's just my mind messing with me. Maybe I'll confirm that by getting another dyno to see if it gained more HP and torque. Overall, although on paper the kit didn't seem to yield that great of results, after getting the kit, my car is definitely more fun to drive than it was before. I feel like it made a significant amount of difference in the driving experience considering it's a warranty backed tune from Ford.
Ford definitely lied on the advertised hp. I believe some of these engines with perfect fuel and IAT and stock tune could definitely make closer to 485ish at the crank
What kind of tune gives that low of numbers w a throttle body and cai I thought at least the numbers they listed damn. I was gonna order this but I’ll hold off until my warranty is up got 3 years left.
How has the tune been, now that it has been some time? I heard the car takes a bit of time to get the most out of the tune. Would you say it hurt your economy much or is it roughly the same?
1. The intercooler will come when I decide to get the Stang boosted, the one you helped me install got sold along with the car 2. Si, 432 to the wheels 3. I drive a Mustang so you know that's bound to happen eventually haha jkjk
@@JDubTwins don't know if you saw my recent tune, but I made 418whp and 358 tq so I'm finally in the 11 seconds. I made my list last night for my next mods; I'm shooting for 450whp and that should be enough to beat the majority of muscle cars with bolt ons, e85 and cams except for maybe Corvettes. Next year 500whp and be done with it. I have an s2000 I recently bought and might mod it too and later get an E30 BMW or Turbo II RX7 FC.
@@umairejaz6665 I got the stage 1 and ordered a borla cat back. cuz I didn’t want the roush axel back after all. I like the sound of the borla. That’s the only difference from strange 1 and 2 is 2 comes with a axel back kit also.
Theres shop that offers a throttle body ford performance tune and intake for 650. The guy said I’ll have 20 more horse power and a I forgot how much torque he said but it was up there. Do you think he’s just saying that for me to come in? Let me know
You have the 2015-2017 or the 2018-2020? On the market right now they offer the power pack 2 for $650. Is he referring to that? The power pack 2 is only compatible with the 15-17 Mustang GTs.
The butt dyno never lies....and you've got a tune thats not gonna break stuff.All the power in the world doesnt mean a thing if its not fun to drive on a daily driven car.
great insight on your daily dealings with the mustang. if the right viewer is watching they can learn plenty from your experience. keep up the informative content. Note: I’m sure Ford used a lab with controlled conditions to achieve such high results.
I appreciate that! Yeah, Ford, and any company for that matter, is going to put out numbers that are a result of being from the most ideal settings and conditions. It is what it is. I'm still happy with the results! The fun from driving this car has increased so I can't complain lol.
That's why get a closed box bro! Open will not do the job, but I mean those temperature do climb higher due to an open box and all that heat from the engine trapped there! I got a closed box injen cold air intake and it really fucking pulls 😬
@@umairejaz6665 honestly I'd say the same really... I mean it is closed like other closed intakes but go with a closed one it's about getting cool air in not hot air... Hot won't do the job! But cold, cool air will especially because my 19 mustang has that ram air by the head light it's getting cool air and not hot💯
Hi, you mentioned that in made your shift's alot smoother than stock. Did you notice if it made the shifts with the paddle shifters more responsive than factory as well? Also how much did ford charge you for the parts install only?
I don't think it made the paddle shifters more responsive. Shifting from first gear to second gear still takes like 2 seconds after initially upshifting for whatever reason. But I will say when it automatically downshifts it's smoother. When I'm down shifting to a red light or stop sign I only manually downshift to third gear, then I let the car automatically down shift to second and first. Prior to the tune, when it would automatically downshift it felt very abrupt and sudden, but post tune it feels smooth. The cost was around $250 but I got it installed at National Speed, not Ford.
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I have this on my 17 and it's a huge difference, probably because the car has more to give whereas you already have 20 more horse power from the beginning, you definitely must use shell Nitro V power gasoline because the program certainly has much more timing in it...
Yeah I only use Shell Premium. I've seen in the forums that the tune reacts well to higher octane gas. People have been mixing a little e85 with their 93 to boost the octane and they've been getting positive results.
Hi, I know you're supposed to retain your warranty with a power pack 2 dealer installed. I purchased the for protect 7 year 125000 mile warranty do you know if it would void any warranty past the 3 year 36 mo
So you'll retain your extended warranty, however, if any parts fail that Ford can determine was caused by the Ford Calibration Kit, it would not be covered if it's past 3 years or 36,000 miles.
@@JDubTwins So if something goes wrong passed the 3/36 with the power pack 2 kit installed by the dealership. Repairs to the car not covered under ford protect extended warranty. It's a sad day lol. Glad I didn't purchase it
@@user-bk5ey9ws5g I was trying to figure this out for the longest time and I can't tell you how many people I called from My local Ford Dealership, to the Warranty company, to Ford Performance, but everything JDUb Twins said is accurate. you will retain all of your warranty (7 years) but if anything happens after the 3 year/ 36,000 mile that is directly related to any of the parts you added, then those parts will NOT be covered. If something else happens to your car in, let's say year 5, that has NOTHING to do with your mods, then those parts ARE COVERED. Ford would have to prove that the mods added are the direct reason for any malfunctions to void the remainder of your 7 year warranty.
Hey I’m curious, does your car short shift from 6th to 7th? My stock 10-speed GT does this and I’m considering the Ford performance calibration if it fixes this issue.
JDub Twins Yeah it does it in all drive modes, auto and manual. It either short shifts or runs into a soft limiter at 6800rpm around 120mph. In all other gears it’ll rev to 7300-7500rpm like it should.
JDub Twins understandable lol. Well if you ever do could you let me know if it short shifts? (Probably the most ridiculous request you’ll ever get lmao)
I just bought a 2018 10R80 and have about 9k miles on her. The car pulls to redline every time! I've already had her up past 140mph and I'm really loving this transmission! Its my first auto and its a rocket!
To be honest I don't think I paid enough attention pre kit install to know if it positively or negativity affected the mpg . But if it has negativity affected it, it's because I'm driving more aggressively than I was before lol
In my opinion yes. I don't plan on doing any power modifications to my car until the warranty is expired, which is a while from now. So this satisfies that need. To me the car is more fun to drive so I think it's worth it.
Just got my kit installed on my 18 10 speed if you live in a state where you can get tuned by Lund or PBD then yeah that’s a no brainer and probably cheaper but I live in Cali and although it’s not impossible to get tunes from them it’s just a pain in the ass and then you are always worried about smog I don’t want to deal with that headache so this kit is for those in my boat I guess and honestly I’m impressed with the tune it really smooths out the shifts especially in sport and the throttle response is really nice too the low end and midrange torque is noticeable top end stays the same which is already nuts in these gen 3’s. I was getting bored of my car and now I’m a lot more excited to drive it for sure.
Couldn't agree more. I'm in Cali also I did a power pack 2 on my 16 GT with a 6 speed and it just made the car feel so much better. Obviously not earth shattering in power, but the overall car just felt better. I just got a 2020 GT with the 10r80 and I think I'll go power pack on this one too.
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I mentioned it in the video, but I feel like there is more burble on deceleration, but I have an H-Pipe which I noticed made the exhaust have more burble when I first installed it as well. It may have increased the volume slightly, but again, I can't tell if it's a result of the tune or the H-Pipe.
For $1200 + for the kit not including install and you only came up with 5HP gain....that's BS. Might as well have bought the kit, installed it yourself, and got a custom from a pro tuner.
I just had the same kit installed on my 2019 mustang and it was fine the day I left the lot but this morning I was driving it and I can’t change modes, I can’t use my active exhaust and my car is in quiet mode until I reach a certain rpm have any of these issues happened to you?
The dyno numbers are a bummer but you make some good points. This preserves warranty and allows you to do some tuning. I did a 4.09 axle ratio swap in my 2020 GT and it turns out that I need the 2020 compatible version of this kit to make the computer *not* freak out. At least the car is more enjoyable and a little quicker.
The calibration tune will fix that issue, it's made for the 3.73 and 4.10 gear ratios as well. I'm think of getting the 3.73s but I'm not sure if it would be to high for the auto transmission.
get your facts straight, thats if you have 2020 or 21 couse they have 350 ports ,, hint hint,, so that kit not really ment for you ,,i have 2020 so ...
Why waist your time and money. E85 tune and long tubes 🤷♂️or just boost it. I'm not trying to sound rude but there is no secret combo that will be a better bang for the buck. Cai does pretty much nothing,porting the manifold does very little on the gen3. Cams are too much money for what they do,same with ported heads. E85 tune and long tubes net almost 500whp, put a tire on it and roll.
@@Fingamyaz Not really. The ones that are failing are mostly modded or the drivers try to drive them as if they are lambos. Stock ones do have some issues, but real world numbers show no different from any other car.
@@It7xc a tune from a good tuner and aftermarket intake nets more power than this Ford Calibration kit. Probably because Ford is extra conservative on the tune still
@@GolfCoyote I think i will stick with the STEEDA because its looks OEM, the cops when they stop me they said open the hood I don’t want them to impound the car The JLT is cheaper sounds better looks great
JDub Twins thanks for posting, I was interested in what this kit does for the 18+. I have a 17 with the power pack 3. I really enjoy the car and the power pack.
you sir have saved me $1500+, thank you.
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The +7MM throttle body size MUST make for increased/better airflow. (Still on my list)
Such a nice stang! Keep up the tight work!
actually this tune unleash turbo psi, for gen1 (2015-2017) its only goes up to 18psi with the tune it goes up to 22/23psi safely
Installed on my 2019 GT 6speed. Reminds me of the results from the old 10-minute tune up from the fox days.
Throttle response is much better. Noticeable increase in torque especially down low. Car just runs and feels better. No delay in the throttle. Not so much up top but it really improves drive ability..
I agree, my car feels much better, throttle response is improved, feels like it has more power, haven't dynoed yet. 2019 Mustang GT PP2.
Pretty Important to mention that this GT wasn't bone stock! AFE Drop in air filter and a Steeda H-Pipe on the first dyno, then installed the Ford Performance Power Pack for the 2nd dyno. Not saying that will make a big difference at all, but will definitely change the numbers a bit.
Exactly...he could easily be at Ford's numbers if he was bone stock.
the tune is made for the gt350 intake , that could be why @@tri3pleagent
The website mentions that you have to let the car’s computer adjust over a few tanks of gas before all of the horsepower is added so I would suggest you take it to the dyno again after you have done some driving. The horsepower will probably be higher next time you go to the dyno.
Yeah, I plan on getting my car on the dyno again. I feel like the car has gotten quicker since I first got the tune 😁
@@JDubTwins yea I was just about to mention that. When I got my Ford performance pack for my 2016 eco boost(tune and cold air intake) it said that it would take a few gas cycles to learn the tune, it also said something about doing some pulls at certain rpms. The mustang6g forums have good info on the Ford’s tunes. I say get it dyno’d again.
“My butt feels what it feels.” Words to live by.
The numbers they have provided are readings taken at the fly-wheel not wheel-horsepower so it will naturally be less
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I just received, took to ford today (8-18-21) cant wait to feel the seat…. Thanks for the vids….. Hope it pairs well with my Borla ATAK catback…
Update?
@@edwardsantillan4648 sounds good, feels amazing in the seat… no dyno yet
You have the setup I want. 10 speed auto because it's quicker, and an H-pipe for the smoother old-school sound. I think X-pipes sound too raspy and annoying. I think this power pack is worth it just for smoothing out the transmission, and making it feel peppier.
Thanks for watching!
Nice video! You sound like a decent guy, so I don’t think you were intentionally trying to mislead anyone with your “lower than expected” numbers, but it’s important to note when Ford Performance advertised +19 hp/+20 tq it was on a bone stock car, running on 89 (I phoned and asked).
My understanding is you were on 93 with an AFE filter which probably already bumped you up 12-14 hp.
I’m a scientist by nature and profession, so consistency and variables during experimentation are key.
That said, I’m running this kit on my ‘20 PP1 A10 and I gained +17 hp/+18 tq and +38tq@2000 rpm. I was running 91 stock and bumped to 94 post-kit install. I ran 2 tanks through before I did the after dyno.
Great kit - and YES, my Butt-Dyno loves the improvement!
So you recommend more than rouch? Do hear the intake? And did you have to delete the sound tube remove it?
The dyno numbers are lower due to drivetrain loss of approximately 10% to 12%.
I’ve seen 2020 GT A10 making 430 stock on a dyno.
Is this the power pack 1, 2 or 3?
If I remember correctly, when I did the upload on the software , it asks you if you want the Ford Motorsports program, or if you want the computer to learn . .. you may be down on power because you didn't use the Ford Motorsports program??.. just an idea, maybe you can go back and switch it, I did this on my 17... and I'm really thinking about doing it on my 2000 mile 21'.
How much did ford charge for the install
Be mindful that those numbers "may" be sea level numbers or maybe Michigan elevation numbers. So if you live higher in elevation your numbers will he different than advertised. This doesn't affect boosed vehicles as much as NA vehicles
Yeah, I guess that is something to consider.
I just got my 2020 back today and noticed a big difference in sport+ mode... it downshifts exactly to road conditions... and you are correct, the throttle is much smoother and I noticed it has increased my speed on an exit I take everyday at speed. I was able to get an additional 10 mph than previous top speed tests.. it also seems to shift after third gear, the power band stays at 6K and goes up to 7.5K and the exhaust sounds louder even in normal mode. Sport + mode sounds louder ... Has anyone heard of also changing the manifold to the Bullitt manifold or the GT350 Manifold? Levittown Ford sells the GT350 Manifold and supposedly it fits the 2018-2020 models... Has anyone heard of this swap???
2018+ doesn't need a manifold replacement other than cobra jet. The stock 18 up manifold performs very well from the factory.
hi man do you think the drop in filter from kn would have done the same for you for far less $$$$$, or this is worth doing to your car, i have the same car but I'm debating whether to go for the drop in or full air intake kit plus a tune if the gains are that low, i know every state has different altitudes and temperatures, but I've been doing some research and all i can see is that doing the kit plus a tune in a hot place like texas is not worth it.
No, getting a drop in filter isn't going to change anything. I had an AFE drop in filter prior to getting this kit/tune and it didn't change anything about the car and how it performed. The tune is going to give you increased throttle response, optimized shifts, an increase in HP and TRQ; results that a drop in filter will definitely not yield. Unless you're saying you want to get a drop in filter with a custom tune, then that would be a different story.
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Believe it or not, the numbers will increase with an air filter that is more dirty.
How so
NIce review! Dude how was your making 427 to the wheels stock??? Thats really high!
Thanks! I had an AFE drop in filter and a Steeda H-Pipe. That might have made a difference.
@@JDubTwins Hey man, thanks for the video! just a bit of advice, you should let people know in the description that you had the AFE drop in filter with a Steeda H-Pipe on your first Dyno... That is DEFINITELY the reason for not getting the full 20HP & 20 Torque.
Car is rated @460hp at the crank, possibly understated, I deleted my resonator , put a cai, stock air box is back on I feel like my power levels never changed, have 20k on it now too, all dynos are different too.
@Metroid Corrupt gen 3 makes 460 stock.
Gen 3 coyotes make 460 stock @420 ft pounds of torque. Not sure where you get 427 😂
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Does the Ford Performance kit you have installed allow you to keep the warranty? Also do you have to go to a authorized dealership to get it installed? Or can you diy and still keep the warranty? Thanks
Yes the kit is covered under warranty. It can either be installed by Ford or an ASE certified shop. I don't think it'll be covered under warranty if you install it yourself.
Did you notice you car running hotter? Than stock intake
Hey quick question, not sure if you know or maybe knows someone who does know, can the procal calibration be used for the gt350 manifold? Or would I have to take to get tuned?
What year mustang ? If it's 2018 up the stock manifold is as good as the GT350. The 2015 thru 2017 power pack came with 350 manifold and the procal already calibrated for it. Which I think is the stage 3. Other than that a custom tune is the option.
Great video. Will this kit work with long tube headers and after market exhaust?
No it won't. axle back and an x/h pipe is all you can do.
That's because you got ford number #1 get a JLT 120MM or steeda cold air closed box at 121 mm #2 you weren't properly tuned imho go with palm Beach dyno or vmp or Lund racing
Is this a one size fits all tune? Example will ford ask if I have aftermarket exhaust and program that into the tune also?
Thanks for doing the science.
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Wonder what #s look like on 6spd
430 whp is right about 480 crank looks to be as advertised
Correct! I don’t think people realize you lose HP from the crank to the wheels!
How did you get to the Pony changed out? I have a 21 PP1 and can’t get my arm in the radiator crack when disconnecting it and having a heck of a time with the plastic pry bar? I got everything else done.
Do you think the mods you installed prior already had an affect on performance # gains?
To be honest I think they might have made a slight improvement to the HP and TRQ. I had the H-Pipe and AFE drop in filter at the time they did the baseline dyno.
The numbers are at the Crank not the wheel.
Love your vids, uncle Joe and Josh! 😎
Thank you so much!
Late post…In August I placed my order directly from FORD. I then saw/stumbled onto your video - much needed content - then cancelled my order! Especially when they ordered it for the 15-17 - I have a 2019 PP1. Question: Has Ford approached/contacted you about this particular episode regarding their kit’s lack luster performance, contrary to their advertisements?
To answer your question, no Ford hasn't reached out to me. Just to be clear, on the Dyno, the kit produced lack luster numbers. However, I forgot to mention in the video that I had a drop in air filter and H-Pipe installed which may have given me higher than average baseline dyno results to begin with, which would make the post kit install dyno results seem less significant. Also, although Ford didn't say anything about the car having to learn the tune over time, it felt like my car did learn the tune over time because it felt like it was producing more power after driving it a couple hundred miles, but maybe that's just my mind messing with me. Maybe I'll confirm that by getting another dyno to see if it gained more HP and torque. Overall, although on paper the kit didn't seem to yield that great of results, after getting the kit, my car is definitely more fun to drive than it was before. I feel like it made a significant amount of difference in the driving experience considering it's a warranty backed tune from Ford.
Basically ford said there car baselined probably around “415ish” and the tuner and intake it would make the 432 yours did.
Ford definitely lied on the advertised hp. I believe some of these engines with perfect fuel and IAT and stock tune could definitely make closer to 485ish at the crank
Take me back to those gas station prices you drove by! 😭😭😭😭
What kind of tune gives that low of numbers w a throttle body and cai I thought at least the numbers they listed damn. I was gonna order this but I’ll hold off until my warranty is up got 3 years left.
How has the tune been, now that it has been some time? I heard the car takes a bit of time to get the most out of the tune. Would you say it hurt your economy much or is it roughly the same?
good tunes usually help ur mpg
What are the fuel mileage numbers now
1. Where is the intercooler?
2. Is that 432 to the wheels?
3. Don't hit no crowds with the added tq.
1. The intercooler will come when I decide to get the Stang boosted, the one you helped me install got sold along with the car
2. Si, 432 to the wheels
3. I drive a Mustang so you know that's bound to happen eventually haha jkjk
@@JDubTwins don't know if you saw my recent tune, but I made 418whp and 358 tq so I'm finally in the 11 seconds. I made my list last night for my next mods; I'm shooting for 450whp and that should be enough to beat the majority of muscle cars with bolt ons, e85 and cams except for maybe Corvettes. Next year 500whp and be done with it. I have an s2000 I recently bought and might mod it too and later get an E30 BMW or Turbo II RX7 FC.
Yeah I saw, your car AWD? And yeah my goal is 500whp too, which should pretty easy, but I'll have to wait until after my warranty is up.
@@JDubTwins yes all Evos are AWD.
18 to the crank probably only translated to 5 at the wheels.
All that money for 5HP…..time for a Lund Tune to break that thing wide open for more power
Do Shelby parts void the warranty?
Thank you for going into such detail. I’m going to hold off on this kit and give the stage 2 roush power package a try.
Did you get rouch stage 2?
@@umairejaz6665 I got the stage 1 and ordered a borla cat back. cuz I didn’t want the roush axel back after all. I like the sound of the borla. That’s the only difference from strange 1 and 2 is 2 comes with a axel back kit also.
@@TomC-kv8pl is that stage 1 is 999 at American muscle is that the one ?
@@umairejaz6665 I got it from roush it was $1039
@@TomC-kv8pl thanks. Where did you get it from
Theres shop that offers a throttle body ford performance tune and intake for 650. The guy said I’ll have 20 more horse power and a I forgot how much torque he said but it was up there. Do you think he’s just saying that for me to come in? Let me know
You have the 2015-2017 or the 2018-2020? On the market right now they offer the power pack 2 for $650. Is he referring to that? The power pack 2 is only compatible with the 15-17 Mustang GTs.
JDub Twins 2017, oh ok right that’s good to know man thank you.
I'd be sure you let folks know, you had some other tunes on the engine that don't make your base dyno. A stock base dyno. Just saying.
The butt dyno never lies....and you've got a tune thats not gonna break stuff.All the power in the world doesnt mean a thing if its not fun to drive on a daily driven car.
Yup, my thoughts exactly!
Nobody drives a manual mustang these days! Smh
So where did you take it, to get it installed? I tried looking for it and it is still sold out everywhere
Installed at a place called National Speed, and have you tried looking for it on www.fordracingbyspeedshopdirect.com/aboutus.asp
great insight on your daily dealings with the mustang. if the right viewer is watching they can learn plenty from your experience. keep up the informative content. Note: I’m sure Ford used a lab with controlled conditions to achieve such high results.
I appreciate that! Yeah, Ford, and any company for that matter, is going to put out numbers that are a result of being from the most ideal settings and conditions. It is what it is. I'm still happy with the results! The fun from driving this car has increased so I can't complain lol.
I want a Mustang GT so fucken bad 😂😭
love the content bro!
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That's why get a closed box bro! Open will not do the job, but I mean those temperature do climb higher due to an open box and all that heat from the engine trapped there! I got a closed box injen cold air intake and it really fucking pulls 😬
What about rouch that's also a close box?
@@umairejaz6665 honestly I'd say the same really... I mean it is closed like other closed intakes but go with a closed one it's about getting cool air in not hot air... Hot won't do the job! But cold, cool air will especially because my 19 mustang has that ram air by the head light it's getting cool air and not hot💯
Nice detailed explanation of the system. Car is looking great
Thanks 👍
Hi, you mentioned that in made your shift's alot smoother than stock. Did you notice if it made the shifts with the paddle shifters more responsive than factory as well? Also how much did ford charge you for the parts install only?
I don't think it made the paddle shifters more responsive. Shifting from first gear to second gear still takes like 2 seconds after initially upshifting for whatever reason. But I will say when it automatically downshifts it's smoother. When I'm down shifting to a red light or stop sign I only manually downshift to third gear, then I let the car automatically down shift to second and first. Prior to the tune, when it would automatically downshift it felt very abrupt and sudden, but post tune it feels smooth. The cost was around $250 but I got it installed at National Speed, not Ford.
Great looking ride, I would get rid of that plastic engine cover.
Thanks for the information! would love to know how much the labor cost was where you got it installed if you don't mind sharing that info
Of course, thanks for watching! It was around $230 for them to install the kit and $80 for them to install the tune. If you haven't already, subscribe to the channel to stay up to date on all our latest videos, and browse our other videos currently on the channel for some interesting content! and if your'e already a subscriber, thanks for the support!
Josh do you have any concerns about Ford denying a powertrain warranty claim due to this kit?
you be fine didn't do anything to mine
Those are drop in filter numbers.
Yeah I did have an AFE drop in filter at the time.
I have this on my 17 and it's a huge difference, probably because the car has more to give whereas you already have 20 more horse power from the beginning, you definitely must use shell Nitro V power gasoline because the program certainly has much more timing in it...
Yeah I only use Shell Premium. I've seen in the forums that the tune reacts well to higher octane gas. People have been mixing a little e85 with their 93 to boost the octane and they've been getting positive results.
Hi, I know you're supposed to retain your warranty with a power pack 2 dealer installed. I purchased the for protect 7 year 125000 mile warranty do you know if it would void any warranty past the 3 year 36 mo
That's a good question. I have the extended warranty as well. I'll have to do some research and get back to you on that!
So you'll retain your extended warranty, however, if any parts fail that Ford can determine was caused by the Ford Calibration Kit, it would not be covered if it's past 3 years or 36,000 miles.
@@JDubTwins So if something goes wrong passed the 3/36 with the power pack 2 kit installed by the dealership. Repairs to the car not covered under ford protect extended warranty. It's a sad day lol. Glad I didn't purchase it
@@user-bk5ey9ws5g I was trying to figure this out for the longest time and I can't tell you how many people I called from My local Ford Dealership, to the Warranty company, to Ford Performance, but everything JDUb Twins said is accurate. you will retain all of your warranty (7 years) but if anything happens after the 3 year/ 36,000 mile that is directly related to any of the parts you added, then those parts will NOT be covered. If something else happens to your car in, let's say year 5, that has NOTHING to do with your mods, then those parts ARE COVERED. Ford would have to prove that the mods added are the direct reason for any malfunctions to void the remainder of your 7 year warranty.
Hey I’m curious, does your car short shift from 6th to 7th? My stock 10-speed GT does this and I’m considering the Ford performance calibration if it fixes this issue.
I don't believe so. What drive mode are you in when this happens? Does it happen often?
JDub Twins Yeah it does it in all drive modes, auto and manual. It either short shifts or runs into a soft limiter at 6800rpm around 120mph. In all other gears it’ll rev to 7300-7500rpm like it should.
Ohh wow, I haven't gone that fast in my car yet lol.
JDub Twins understandable lol. Well if you ever do could you let me know if it short shifts? (Probably the most ridiculous request you’ll ever get lmao)
I just bought a 2018 10R80 and have about 9k miles on her. The car pulls to redline every time! I've already had her up past 140mph and I'm really loving this transmission! Its my first auto and its a rocket!
How did it affect the mpg?
To be honest I don't think I paid enough attention pre kit install to know if it positively or negativity affected the mpg . But if it has negativity affected it, it's because I'm driving more aggressively than I was before lol
worth it ?
In my opinion yes. I don't plan on doing any power modifications to my car until the warranty is expired, which is a while from now. So this satisfies that need. To me the car is more fun to drive so I think it's worth it.
Just got my kit installed on my 18 10 speed if you live in a state where you can get tuned by Lund or PBD then yeah that’s a no brainer and probably cheaper but I live in Cali and although it’s not impossible to get tunes from them it’s just a pain in the ass and then you are always worried about smog I don’t want to deal with that headache so this kit is for those in my boat I guess and honestly I’m impressed with the tune it really smooths out the shifts especially in sport and the throttle response is really nice too the low end and midrange torque is noticeable top end stays the same which is already nuts in these gen 3’s. I was getting bored of my car and now I’m a lot more excited to drive it for sure.
You hit the nail on the head. And that's the key point, you're excited to drive your car again. You can't put a price on that!
Did you install it at Ford dealership? how much did you pay for it?
@@Alex-cc3ol no went to a ASE certified mechanic it was like 190ish I believe not bad at all
Couldn't agree more. I'm in Cali also I did a power pack 2 on my 16 GT with a 6 speed and it just made the car feel so much better. Obviously not earth shattering in power, but the overall car just felt better. I just got a 2020 GT with the 10r80 and I think I'll go power pack on this one too.
Actually ur baseline numbers are pretty high. So with the tune maybe that’s why it seems underwhelming. But like the vid!👍🏻
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Already subscribed 👍🏻 By the way how does the tune impact the exhaust note? Does it have more burble or is it more aggressive? Thanks!
I mentioned it in the video, but I feel like there is more burble on deceleration, but I have an H-Pipe which I noticed made the exhaust have more burble when I first installed it as well. It may have increased the volume slightly, but again, I can't tell if it's a result of the tune or the H-Pipe.
For $1200 + for the kit not including install and you only came up with 5HP gain....that's BS. Might as well have bought the kit, installed it yourself, and got a custom from a pro tuner.
That can't be right only 5hp go back to ford let them sort out the install and tune.
I have a manual 2019 GT. Anybody have any idea what this kit will do for my gear ratios? Also how much was it to get this kit installed?
Go from 460hp to 480 🤩
Lmfao @ "7 torque"
I just had the same kit installed on my 2019 mustang and it was fine the day I left the lot but this morning I was driving it and I can’t change modes, I can’t use my active exhaust and my car is in quiet mode until I reach a certain rpm have any of these issues happened to you?
Sorry to hear that man, but never had that happen to me before, that's strange. If you find out what the issues is please share though.
The dyno numbers are a bummer but you make some good points. This preserves warranty and allows you to do some tuning. I did a 4.09 axle ratio swap in my 2020 GT and it turns out that I need the 2020 compatible version of this kit to make the computer *not* freak out. At least the car is more enjoyable and a little quicker.
The calibration tune will fix that issue, it's made for the 3.73 and 4.10 gear ratios as well. I'm think of getting the 3.73s but I'm not sure if it would be to high for the auto transmission.
get your facts straight, thats if you have 2020 or 21 couse they have 350 ports ,, hint hint,, so that kit not really ment for you ,,i have 2020 so ...
Why waist your time and money. E85 tune and long tubes 🤷♂️or just boost it. I'm not trying to sound rude but there is no secret combo that will be a better bang for the buck. Cai does pretty much nothing,porting the manifold does very little on the gen3. Cams are too much money for what they do,same with ported heads. E85 tune and long tubes net almost 500whp, put a tire on it and roll.
Other tunes void the warranty. That's why people go this route so they don't lose that. Tossing a warranty out imo is stupid.
@@thedude2897 yup, heard tons of failure for these coyotes
@@Fingamyaz Not really. The ones that are failing are mostly modded or the drivers try to drive them as if they are lambos. Stock ones do have some issues, but real world numbers show no different from any other car.
I am as disappointed as you. Canceled my order I’d placed as wheel hp/torque should have been much higher than that.
Bro you we're better off just getting the cobra jet kit then this ford garbage
Good video, thanks for doing this.
Think I’m just gonna go JLT and Lund tune
Why ? Is it this better deal it comes with throttle body
I was thinking to get STEEDA closed intake with Lund tune then i saw this what do you think.
@@It7xc a tune from a good tuner and aftermarket intake nets more power than this Ford Calibration kit. Probably because Ford is extra conservative on the tune still
@@GolfCoyote What do you think about the STEEDA closed air intake
@@It7xc steeda makes good products. The closer one probably performs slightly better than an open filter but you’ll lose some of that induction noise
@@GolfCoyote I think i will stick with the STEEDA because its looks OEM, the cops when they stop me they said open the hood I don’t want them to impound the car
The JLT is cheaper sounds better looks great
Interesting that your car made 427 stock, 432 at the wheels is probably very close to Ford's claim of 480.
I had an AFE filter in the stock air box and an H-Pipe. That might have had an affect on the base dyno results as well.
JDub Twins thanks for posting, I was interested in what this kit does for the 18+. I have a 17 with the power pack 3. I really enjoy the car and the power pack.
I may do another dyno run in the near future to see if the car had to learn the tune. It might be putting out more power now 🤞
Lol kid has no idea how a dyno works
oh ya and you have a AUTOMATIC 😂