I liked how in Morrowind it forced you to awkwardly say "goodbye" after a successful taunt. And you could intimidate people into being your best friend.
Only temporarily. While Intimidate does raise disposition, after you end the conversation, it will drop by twice as much. So if it starts at 50 and you raise it to 74 using intimidation, when you next talk, disposition will be 26.
The Chad speechcraft training Nerevarine: Runs up to every citizen Admires them until 0 disposition Throws a few thousand septims in their face til 100 disposition Refuses to elaborate further Leaves by jumping across half the landmass of Vvardenfell
I absolutely lost it at the Oblivion clip. When her face started contorting, I started wheezing. God damn Conversation Pie man. Easiest speechcraft in bethesda history.
Oblivion may be the easiest to make work, but it did something very few other games have managed, which is making speech an actual gameplay activity rather than an arbitrary "pass/fail" or a percentage chance based on where you dumped a few points.
The people of Vvrardenfell share stories of the day they met the Nerevarine, they rushed past at blinding speed and tossed 1000 septims at peoples faces and said goodbye, they never met the Nerevarine again.
All these kiddos 😉 commenting on how accurate/hilarious the Oblivion part was, truly missed the Morrowind gold of this vid. Bravo, creator! 🤣 It really do be like that. Triple thumbs up! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 Smashing.
NGL tho I actually thought speech craft in oblivion was kinda quaint, at least they tried something that was an interactive game play mechanic not just roll dice on % chance number and hope you win. I mean you had to do something, albeit it was dumb but at least you were playing the game not just rolling dice and hoping you don't have to quick load.
morrowind speechcraft in reality: dark elf chic: i hate your stinking guts, die in a fire n'wah *bribe 10 gold* 9 months later dark elf chic: you owe me child support n'wah!
I honestly loved the speech minigames in Oblivion, I would sit and get random citizens to like me for hours. On a side note I love more complex minigames, like the hacking game in BioShock and I liked lockpicking in Oblivion more than the new Bethesda style, I must be in the minority though since they are all gone
Honestly... it's kinda crazy. There is an attribute "personality"... honestly would have called it charisma so the shortened spelling "CHA" instead of "PER" wouldn't make me think of... perception. There is an approach(polite, normal and blunt) which works better on different people; There are 2 skills streetwise(good for blunt) and etiquette(good for polite). But there's more. Etiquette can pacify vampires and lichs and some humans[warriors, archers,....](a.k.a. they won't attack unless you attack or pickpocket them first) Streetwise can pacify some human enemies[assassins, rogues, ...]. This happens at moment you are seen by them. And on the topic of pacification... there are many language skills... each with their set of enemies that may be pacified with it.
@@matheusjahnke8643 I was aware of the language skill being used as pacification, but i didn't know streetwise and etiquette had an application on enemy encounters. As for the pacification system as a whole: In theory it is a good thing that you can solve encounters peacefully and it might save from a tough situation, but on the other hand, some might see it as pointless because you could simply kill the enemy/enemies from that encounter, also, pacification (as far as i remember) does not grant you XP, so, in a way, you are harming your progression by using pacification.
@@DarkOmegaMK2 you can also attack while they are pacified. You get a free hit. They get hostile back again. And every time the pacification rolls you get XP in the relevant skill. Even if you fail.
@@DarkOmegaMK2 that's one thing Daggerfall does better than Morrowind; In Daggerfall you get XP each roll(even if failed)... meanwhile in Morrowind you get XP for success... So at some point it's easier to raise high skill than low skill just because it is more reliable.
I actually think the likes/dislikes on the Oblivion wheel appear either in a pattern or it's predetermined and not totally random... I don't even check their faces. I click the first one and then somehow my subconscious knows what to click next based on whether the first click was good or bad. Just don't randomly click on the biggest slice unless you have a good feeling about it. You only go total negative disposition after all 4 if you hit the biggest slice on the unhappiest quarter. Anything else is either neutral or positive
that tim and eric skit or whateever actually sent chills down my spine but then i saw the robot from 2012 that smiles and it warmed my heart of her joy, it was an accurate comparison
It's like the stealth archers, what's the point? Bandits are just free loot that comes to you. But they are not as good as the Dark Brotherhood assasins in Morrowind.
Skyrim persuasion is basically like being the cop in the Morrowind example, except it works most of the time. "Do what I say or I'll kill you!" "Fine. I'll cooperate with you. You are a very persuasive psychopath." "Lol. I was going to kill you regardless, but thanks for making things easier."
The big difference between Skyrim and the other Elder Scrolls games is that you only get a chance to use persuasion or intimidation checks in Skyrim like twice or thrice in the whole game. The speechcraft tree always ends up being the least leveled up in all my playthroughs.
Having no Personality/Charisma stat for Skyrim really hurt its Speechcraft Like, in Morrowind at the start people just insult you offhandedly or don't want to interact with you due to low personality, but after having high personality, even the Ordinators switch from "We're watching you, scum" to greeting you positively
If you played Oblivion and understood the speechcraft wheel you're a meta-gaming dirty hacker cheat... there just is no other way, I'm not even sure it wasn't 90% random.
@@UlvenTES I do not get it, its just a wheel of reactions with differently filled sides, what does the color fill indicate, assuming the faces are the reaction to the side being hovered is the reaction based on skill or fill and how do I know what reaction I want and how do I know if I have the fill for that reaction... etc.
That Oblivion clip is impressive and musta taken a fair bit of effort...but if you had just posted a clip of someone eating a whole ass pie I woulda given ya a gold star anyway.
I was kinda hoping the first one, Morrowind, would turn into a John Marshall film starring Chris Brown...where he shoots her and gets what he wants to see anyhow. 💀💀💀 I am the cringe master!
Morrowind's speech system is very simple. Either essentially max out speechcraft and charisma to succeed super, super fast. Throw gold at them. And lastly if you're really just don't care (which most really, really don't), spam taunt until you can legally murder them.
Not so fun fact: the creator of that robot David Hanson of Hanson Robotics went to a mentally ill man's (Francis E. Dec Esq.) hospital room dressed as a federal agent to scare him.
Yes you should play Morrowind, just explore the world without spoiling yourself too much, be curious, and be careful about your stamina bar because it affects literally everything you do
The Oblivion part is so accurate 🤣
I don't know you and i don't care to know you.
You talk too much outlander
@@UlvenTES We're watching you! Scum!
I saw a @@DarkOmegaMK2 the other day. Horrible creatures.
THIS IS THE PART WHERE YOU FALL DOWN AND BLEED TO DEATH.
I liked how in Morrowind it forced you to awkwardly say "goodbye" after a successful taunt.
And you could intimidate people into being your best friend.
Wait we are not supposed to make friends that way in real life ?
Only for that conversation. As soon as you exit the dialog their opinion can tank so hard they won't even talk to you anymore.
Irl, Law enforcement intimidates people into being their best friends...and fails, sometimes. 🤣
if I recall, the intimidate boost is temporary
Only temporarily. While Intimidate does raise disposition, after you end the conversation, it will drop by twice as much. So if it starts at 50 and you raise it to 74 using intimidation, when you next talk, disposition will be 26.
The Chad speechcraft training Nerevarine:
Runs up to every citizen
Admires them until 0 disposition
Throws a few thousand septims in their face til 100 disposition
Refuses to elaborate further
Leaves by jumping across half the landmass of Vvardenfell
AHahah
oblivion speechcraft:
study hard to become a medium strong mage
make the ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) spell
???
profit!
That's not Chad bruh that's Eugene
@@huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhnThe what spell?
The what spell?@@huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhn
I absolutely lost it at the Oblivion clip. When her face started contorting, I started wheezing. God damn Conversation Pie man. Easiest speechcraft in bethesda history.
Oblivion speechcraft is the best lol
Why are u gai
Oblivion may be the easiest to make work, but it did something very few other games have managed, which is making speech an actual gameplay activity rather than an arbitrary "pass/fail" or a percentage chance based on where you dumped a few points.
huh did someone say my name
easier than Skyrim speechcraft?
The people of Vvrardenfell share stories of the day they met the Nerevarine, they rushed past at blinding speed and tossed 1000 septims at peoples faces and said goodbye, they never met the Nerevarine again.
Or they would share stories...if they were alive.
Morrowind mouse clicks are so comfy
I agree, I love this sound :))
Dude, the Oblivion is spot on! I actually lol'd
Glad I made you ahahah :)
Having a gun is +1000 speechcraft so that first guy must have been dealing with some serious negative rizz
Or he had few disaeses and unsheat weapon lower disposition, so in summary he automaticaly failed:P
being high on moon sugar will do that to ya, and skooma.
You had me till you said rizz.
he was a vampire
Oblivion is so fucking spot on 😂
You're so real for the Oblivion one lmaooo
She attacked first, he can legally attack her now.
All these kiddos 😉 commenting on how accurate/hilarious the Oblivion part was, truly missed the Morrowind gold of this vid. Bravo, creator! 🤣 It really do be like that. Triple thumbs up! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Smashing.
Thank you so much :))
it was golden even in the first half but then the robot finished me
you edit your vids with great care and it shows
thank you
@@hopper__ Thank you ❤
I loved that Oblivion minigame
The oblivion speechcraft mini game was very satisfying and addicting for my OCD
NGL tho I actually thought speech craft in oblivion was kinda quaint,
at least they tried something that was an interactive game play mechanic not just roll dice on % chance number and hope you win.
I mean you had to do something, albeit it was dumb but at least you were playing the game not just rolling dice and hoping you don't have to quick load.
New Vegas is the gold standard where there were dynamic speech checks that read all your skills at different points of the game
In all my time playing Skyrim, I never managed to intimidate anyone.
Skill issue, literally
Easiest intimidate is the brewery near Whiterun on a Thieves Guild mission. "Pay me or I start yelling 'skeever'!"
I did the sanguine quest pretty early on and passed the intimidation check on the wedding planner
i feel like its usually easier than persuade lol, especially when you use it with common citizens cuz they get scared easily
@@syressx9098 yea did his momma ever level his speechcraft?
oh my god, I had completely blocked out all memory of the oblivion speechcraft wheel
Traumatized maybe ? 😂
morrowind speechcraft in reality:
dark elf chic: i hate your stinking guts, die in a fire n'wah
*bribe 10 gold*
9 months later
dark elf chic: you owe me child support n'wah!
I honestly loved the speech minigames in Oblivion, I would sit and get random citizens to like me for hours. On a side note I love more complex minigames, like the hacking game in BioShock and I liked lockpicking in Oblivion more than the new Bethesda style, I must be in the minority though since they are all gone
A lot of people say ESO has the best lock picking in the series so I don't think you're that alone
I always thought the facial change game in Oblivion was pretty weird.
I unapologetically like and defend Oblivion's system. If you know it well, you can convince anyone of basically anything.
Yes it's a fun mini game ;)
I can do it automatically when I find the two positive responses. I usually hit the max in just a few seconds..
@@-imperatorinsomnia-6163 I used to level up my speechcraft like that by making every single NPC loving me ahah
Another system that was great in oblivion was lockpicking. At least is better than Skyrim's "can you find the right spot in this circle?"
Indeed, it was challenging ;)@@DarkOmegaMK2
Broooo Skyrim shoulda been I am the one who knocks clip, the “ do u have any idea who your talking to”
Oblivion... such an unfforgettable experience.
On second thought, I think I'll take Oblivion without a remaster. No need to get carried away on more realistic faces
Wrong Cops, amazing movie ;)
Meanwhile speechcraft in Daggerfall!
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Honestly... it's kinda crazy.
There is an attribute "personality"... honestly would have called it charisma so the shortened spelling "CHA" instead of "PER" wouldn't make me think of... perception.
There is an approach(polite, normal and blunt) which works better on different people;
There are 2 skills streetwise(good for blunt) and etiquette(good for polite).
But there's more.
Etiquette can pacify vampires and lichs and some humans[warriors, archers,....](a.k.a. they won't attack unless you attack or pickpocket them first)
Streetwise can pacify some human enemies[assassins, rogues, ...].
This happens at moment you are seen by them.
And on the topic of pacification... there are many language skills... each with their set of enemies that may be pacified with it.
@@matheusjahnke8643 I was aware of the language skill being used as pacification, but i didn't know streetwise and etiquette had an application on enemy encounters.
As for the pacification system as a whole: In theory it is a good thing that you can solve encounters peacefully and it might save from a tough situation, but on the other hand, some might see it as pointless because you could simply kill the enemy/enemies from that encounter, also, pacification (as far as i remember) does not grant you XP, so, in a way, you are harming your progression by using pacification.
@@DarkOmegaMK2 you can also attack while they are pacified.
You get a free hit. They get hostile back again.
And every time the pacification rolls you get XP in the relevant skill. Even if you fail.
@@matheusjahnke8643 Ah, good to know!
@@DarkOmegaMK2 that's one thing Daggerfall does better than Morrowind;
In Daggerfall you get XP each roll(even if failed)... meanwhile in Morrowind you get XP for success...
So at some point it's easier to raise high skill than low skill just because it is more reliable.
Holy shit that Oblivion comparison is gold.
Ahahah thank you :))
Bro I almost passed out when The oblivion part came up , this almost killed me and it was worth it.
Ahhaah
I was crying laughing at the Oblivion part lol
I actually think the likes/dislikes on the Oblivion wheel appear either in a pattern or it's predetermined and not totally random... I don't even check their faces. I click the first one and then somehow my subconscious knows what to click next based on whether the first click was good or bad. Just don't randomly click on the biggest slice unless you have a good feeling about it. You only go total negative disposition after all 4 if you hit the biggest slice on the unhappiest quarter. Anything else is either neutral or positive
Where is the Morrowind clip from?
Wrong Cops, very funny movie
1000 hrs in Skyrim and *not once,* did that thief *_ever_* get the hint and run away.
Now I gotta go reinstall Oblivion
In Morrowind, I always harass the Ordinators to train my Speechcraft. Click Persuade, Admire, and then spam the Enter and Space keys.
Oblivion Speechcraft was designed during a heavy weed session!
I was watching breaking bed today and i ran into a thief yesterday
That's some kind of prophecy I guess
*Taunt Success*
Julia: 'That does it'
>Goodbye
He didn't down a potion for well over the legal limit of Speechcraft
that tim and eric skit or whateever actually sent chills down my spine but then i saw the robot from 2012 that smiles and it warmed my heart of her joy, it was an accurate comparison
The first part is from the movie Wrong Cops by Quentin Dupieux ;) I'm glad my video warmed your heart :)
@@UlvenTES I see, you are a man of culture as well
The oblivion part made me laugh. brilliant stuff!
Thank you ! :)
speechcraft in the early games was very important i remember.
In Skyrim when they asked me for my valuables I gave it to them deep into their heart.
It's like the stealth archers, what's the point? Bandits are just free loot that comes to you.
But they are not as good as the Dark Brotherhood assasins in Morrowind.
Hahahaha - wow that last one is incredible work.
Thanks :))
The Oblivion part is so good, it s like that robot s real purpose was this video 😂
Thanks :))
Skyrim persuasion is basically like being the cop in the Morrowind example, except it works most of the time.
"Do what I say or I'll kill you!"
"Fine. I'll cooperate with you. You are a very persuasive psychopath."
"Lol. I was going to kill you regardless, but thanks for making things easier."
The big difference between Skyrim and the other Elder Scrolls games is that you only get a chance to use persuasion or intimidation checks in Skyrim like twice or thrice in the whole game.
The speechcraft tree always ends up being the least leveled up in all my playthroughs.
Always these bandits with high lvl armor, man. I would react the same.
I actually enjoyed Oblivion's mini-game.
But the single best system I ever played was the one from the defunct mmorpg Vanguard: Saga of Heroes.
Holy shit the facial animations are spot on for Oblivion
Having no Personality/Charisma stat for Skyrim really hurt its Speechcraft
Like, in Morrowind at the start people just insult you offhandedly or don't want to interact with you due to low personality, but after having high personality, even the Ordinators switch from "We're watching you, scum" to greeting you positively
Holy shit the oblivion one works so well
If you played Oblivion and understood the speechcraft wheel you're a meta-gaming dirty hacker cheat... there just is no other way, I'm not even sure it wasn't 90% random.
It's very simple actually ahaha
@@UlvenTES I do not get it, its just a wheel of reactions with differently filled sides, what does the color fill indicate, assuming the faces are the reaction to the side being hovered is the reaction based on skill or fill and how do I know what reaction I want and how do I know if I have the fill for that reaction... etc.
I was really hoping Walter's bit would have been total silence and terror. Still great XD
Thank you ;)
Morrowind still the best story between the three
this is peak, great work
Thank you ! :))
I hate that fucking speechwheel 😡
Ahahahaj
If he did kill her, he'd have a corpse to take care of. Not the smartest guy in the room.
Why is Oblivion the most memeable game ever made
Because it's hilarious !
The oblivion one got me XD
So, if we can't see them in morrowwind, can we see them in OF?
Officer Curio!
Ahahah exactly
Good find for oblivion!
Thanks :)
Really Socially Awkward, Intimidatingly Badass, Socially Awkward Introvert
Ahaha exact
After almost 20 years I still don't understand this wheel things in Oblivion.
oblivion part lol
That Oblivion clip is impressive and musta taken a fair bit of effort...but if you had just posted a clip of someone eating a whole ass pie I woulda given ya a gold star anyway.
Hahahaha the fucking oblivion clip killed me
the oblivion made me laugh so hard
I'm glad to read that
wouldn't the glasses be protecting him lol
Oblivion had the best music
I agree
Weird clip, I haven't seen whatever it is. The woman reminds me of the Terminator in T3, which I really liked.
Cool video, thanks for sharing.
It should've ended with the player just casting a charm spell or spamming bribes.
Im soglad these keep getting made 😂
Fuck the oblivion one made me damn near die!! 😂
The loud laugh I gave at the moment of Oblivion, I couldn't stand the robot hahaha it was exactly like that hahahaha
😂
Wouldn't work on me
I got resist magic 100%
Is it only for 2 seconds to put on a certain pair of boots?
I must be immune to paralyse been bear maced in prison twice still was punching the mofos
WAY TOO REAL
I feel like the Oblivion system was a plant to mess wirh future archeologists. Just make em think we are all nuts.
Lmao
I'm playing TES IV and I still don't get how TF to use that sht xddddd
It's not that hard ahaha, best mini game ever
the oblivion one ;-; lolol
what is that first clip from?
Wrong Cops
I was kinda hoping the first one, Morrowind, would turn into a John Marshall film starring Chris Brown...where he shoots her and gets what he wants to see anyhow. 💀💀💀
I am the cringe master!
Ok, funny video, but holy Vivec that's some serious amount of hashtags!
Holy crap I forgot about that, it was a test (test results : it's useless to put thousands of hashtags ahahaha)
@@UlvenTES Well, it got to me, but who knows why and how?
Good to know anyway.
This is amazing !! haha
The graphics in Oblivion remind me of Playdough
Morrowind's speech system is very simple.
Either essentially max out speechcraft and charisma to succeed super, super fast.
Throw gold at them.
And lastly if you're really just don't care (which most really, really don't), spam taunt until you can legally murder them.
Not so fun fact: the creator of that robot David Hanson of Hanson Robotics went to a mentally ill man's (Francis E. Dec Esq.) hospital room dressed as a federal agent to scare him.
That's fucked up
What movie is the Morrowind part from?
Wrong Cops
Where was that from? The skit from Morrowind?
Wrong Cops
Should have pulled the gun
What speechcraft in skyrim? They gutted it remember?
That's true
What's the Morrowind clip from?
Wrong Cops
ok I laught way to hard it hurt 🤣
Sorry I guess ahaha
I think one of them is from Breaking Bad. What about the others?
The Morrowind part is from Wrong Cops, very funny movie
Most excellent.
Thanks ! :)
I kinda liked the oblivion mechanic, reminds me of LA Noir but boy that robot head killed me. 😂
Should i play Morrowind? And how?
Yes you should play Morrowind, just explore the world without spoiling yourself too much, be curious, and be careful about your stamina bar because it affects literally everything you do
Yes, on a PC.
Eric wasn't acting 😱
lmao accurate