Monster 20kWh Capacity using 12V 200Ah LiTime Batteries

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  • @jasonodom9277
    @jasonodom9277 11 місяців тому +44

    My buddy Ryan was a huge fan of yours and he passed away about 6 months ago. As I sit here watching your video I just felt compelled to cheer you on and to let you know that you are doing a great job and he would want me to let you know to keep making these types of videos for us to all enjoy and learn from.

    • @rongray4118
      @rongray4118 11 місяців тому +1

      Jason - always great to hear encouragement for those taking the time to fill our lives and minds with useful knowledge! Sorry to hear about your buddy. Wishing you well!

    • @waakca
      @waakca 10 місяців тому +1

      I put heat shrink on my socket wrench handles just in case I touched the opposite terminal. I sparked the battery once on my car tightening terminals. I have a better procedure now but heatshinking the socket wrench is just another layer for safety.

    • @Rako_Studios
      @Rako_Studios 10 місяців тому

      @@waakca For cars, always connect the positive first. If the wrench touches body or chassis metal, no sparks since no ground path. Then, when you do the negative cable, no sparks to body metal since the wrench is at ground.

  • @str8chillaxin
    @str8chillaxin 11 місяців тому +9

    After watching your videos for around 6-7 years, your content has never gone downhill. I love that you go over nearly everything I can imagine thinking about as far as saving money, investing, living frugally, and becoming self-sustainable. Thank you for continuously providing top notch content after all these years

  • @teckkuando
    @teckkuando 9 місяців тому +6

    Love your dream of taking your electricity needs completely off grid!!! Thanks for educating me so that i can do the same!!! ❤

    • @BeatTheBush
      @BeatTheBush  9 місяців тому

      I am constantly upgrading this setup so more to come!

  • @luckylib
    @luckylib 11 місяців тому +5

    Bush you are smart

  • @ascendantP
    @ascendantP 11 місяців тому +6

    Love to see the final breakdown in cost for the whole house battery backup system when you're done. Do you have to get it permitted and inspected in your area?

  • @Rako_Studios
    @Rako_Studios 10 місяців тому +5

    I would put a wood or ceramic blocks on top of the batteries, so if a shelf collapses, it does not short out any battery. Ceramic tiles are cheap, so are bricks.

    • @mikescholz6429
      @mikescholz6429 8 місяців тому

      I was just thinking that theres too much battery on that style shelving

    • @johnsteed265
      @johnsteed265 5 місяців тому

      @@mikescholz6429 According to Amazon, shelf unit can handle 250 lbs. Each battery weighs about 50 lbs. 50x8=400 lbs. Yup, shelves are overloaded.

    • @michaelwu6830
      @michaelwu6830 20 днів тому

      they are only around 40kg on each shelf, it should be ok for that metal shelf to handle.

  • @douglasarnoldakers
    @douglasarnoldakers 11 місяців тому +1

    Just found your channel and subbed. Great content. Thank you.

  • @vevenaneathna
    @vevenaneathna 2 місяці тому +1

    francis you should start building your own batteries. with the 11.11 holiday deals i just bought 4x 280ah lifepo4 cells for 165 bucks shipped lol. im sure you would want to use a bms but ive found a lot of luck without any bms and just using active balance boards in 4s groups. 20mm surplus ammocans make a pretty fireproof enclosure with lifting handles and if you get the 280ah cells without studs, 8 of them will fit in one ammo can perfectly if all the contacts are facing the center. the 20mm cans are like 30 bucks each if you buy more than 2 on auction site.
    building them into range extenders for my chevy volt with a cheap eu spec (240v) 3kw inverter which was only ~140 usd

    • @dc37009
      @dc37009 29 днів тому

      In 24' Dec ~4x 280ah lifepo4 cells cost $250, do you know a better site?
      That sounds like a nice build, good luck with that !

  • @brucewayne3633
    @brucewayne3633 4 місяці тому

    Nice vid ... Maybe zip-ties some split hose on the shelf lips, as could arc ... interesting in an earth quake or fire with those baking shelves... are those support poles plastic?

  • @Code_hack_
    @Code_hack_ 11 місяців тому +2

    Great system. Can you show a cost breakdown for that system? Will you also be doing follow up video showing your panel setup? Thanks for sharing

    • @BeatTheBush
      @BeatTheBush  11 місяців тому +2

      Yeah I can do a cost breakdown on this after I have it all up and running. I actually plan to add more so it's a work in progress.

  • @xe-xx8vu
    @xe-xx8vu 7 місяців тому +1

    can we get a update on the system and how things are going. with all that power, have you seen asignificant reduction in your electric bill?

    • @BeatTheBush
      @BeatTheBush  7 місяців тому

      Yes, it's also extremely interesting where the bill went. I'll do an update on that soon, I love talking about my system! LOL

  • @krs1516
    @krs1516 4 місяці тому

    Wish you would show the series to parallel routing. Feeling hesitant without a clear visual.

  • @zaskarkid
    @zaskarkid 4 місяці тому

    could this be wired into house electrical to supplement some AC power to lower electrical bill?

  • @joesmith942
    @joesmith942 11 місяців тому +1

    There are several videos out about orienting solar panels vertically, rather than at the angle of your latitude. In short the idea is that the reduced heating of the panels improves efficency enough to offset the lower solar input. It would be good if you discussed your decision on this when you put panels up.

    • @MoaningGit
      @MoaningGit 11 місяців тому

      Vertical is great in winter, I have some on my garage door.. I have a 500w air source heat pump inside the garage that pulls air from behind the panels, this really helps increase the COP rating for my domestic hot water

    • @BeatTheBush
      @BeatTheBush  11 місяців тому +1

      I suppose it depends on the efficiency drop of overheating your panels. My gut says to face them directly at the sun at 99.9% of the time but in extremely hot climates, perhaps you may need to tilt them away slightly to reduce temps.

    • @str8chillaxin
      @str8chillaxin 11 місяців тому

      @joesmith942 you are absolutely correct when it comes to bifacial panels

  • @jing-chianwu
    @jing-chianwu 11 місяців тому +3

    BeatTheBush, can you tell us the number of days needed to reach the break even point in your case?

    • @johnsteed265
      @johnsteed265 5 місяців тому

      I'm not Beat The Bush, but the answer is easy enough to figure out yourself! (I was wondering the same thing...). First determine costs of the system: 8 batteries = $3336, 4 Balancers = $108, Inverter = $900, Cable = $200, Hardware= $100, Rack = $59, Back-board = $25, Two fuse kits = 120, Tools = $100, Outlet and box = $6, Breakers = $80. Total cost = $5034. He mentioned he used 8KwH of electricity per day. Cost of electricity of electricity is approximately $0.17 per KwH. 8X$0.17 = $1.36 per day. $5034 / $1.36 = 3701 days or a little more than 10 years!

    • @jing-chianwu
      @jing-chianwu 5 місяців тому

      @@johnsteed265 Nice math. I love it.
      But he lives in CA. I remember my CA friends told me the power price is way above $0.17 per KWH. More likely to be $0.35 per KWH in CA. $5034 / (8*0.35)= 1797 Days. so about 5 years to break even.

  • @somedudeonyoutoob
    @somedudeonyoutoob 11 місяців тому

    francis can you do a cleaner server rack system video. i would like to attempt the server rack because i can't have all those wires sticking out everywhere with kids running around in the garage

    • @BeatTheBush
      @BeatTheBush  11 місяців тому

      Sure. HOWEVER, even with a server rack, you better put any and all exposed wiring inside an enclosure with a lock on it with kids around.

  • @alfonsotorres2246
    @alfonsotorres2246 6 місяців тому

    Thanks for the videos, you explain very well and thorough, it would be great if you can make a video about connecting a lithium phosphate 12v battery to a ups backup to increase the run time and use it to power computer and wifi and tv for example.

    • @BeatTheBush
      @BeatTheBush  6 місяців тому

      UPS backups are generally really annoying since they make a sound when not on grid power by design. Unless it has an option to let you turn it off but then you get the problem of running out of battery and cutting power to your system without warning.

  • @mannyfragoza9652
    @mannyfragoza9652 11 місяців тому

    very nice set up

  • @gaudionofboston
    @gaudionofboston 11 місяців тому +1

    Are you back feeding to you main panel? If so, how so? Or is this an off-grid system in your grid tied house with those two outlets to access your free electricity?

    • @BeatTheBush
      @BeatTheBush  11 місяців тому +1

      This is intended to be an off-grid system with no intention to back feed, although it can.

  • @ned1799
    @ned1799 5 місяців тому

    thank you for this video. Why the need for a terminal block/busbar? The two banks where already in parralel per battery brand right?

    • @BeatTheBush
      @BeatTheBush  4 місяці тому +1

      It's not absolutely needed if you have only one battery bank. My plans were to add more battery banks to the other open terminals later. If you look at a later video, I have done so and it's filling up fast.

  • @John_thetrader
    @John_thetrader 2 місяці тому

    its better to have all batterys of the same brand/ model year ... to prevent that diffrence in internal resistance...thats where i think you see that voltage diffrence between all the batterys ...

    • @BeatTheBush
      @BeatTheBush  2 місяці тому

      They even want you to get it within a few months so they do not age that long. However, I added a battery balancer since then and that keeps things balanced.

  • @junli1506
    @junli1506 4 місяці тому

    I am interested in your system. How is working after half a year? Any downtime? I am thinking of buying the same inverter, any suggestions. Thanks! Great videos! Keep it up👍

    • @BeatTheBush
      @BeatTheBush  4 місяці тому +1

      Make sure you give the app location permissions to have it work. It doesn’t otherwise.

  • @ag1382
    @ag1382 10 місяців тому

    Wonder what the insurance co would say about this installation?

  • @yannickbordes8878
    @yannickbordes8878 4 місяці тому

    Can i have wiring diagram between each racks?

  • @paul.phillips
    @paul.phillips 11 місяців тому +1

    20Kwh in 12v is a lot, curious why you didn't go with a 48 volt system? Usually cheaper on wiring since you can use smaller gauge wire and safely power bigger inverters. Some 12v batteries can be put in series for 48v, but many cannot because their BMS doesn't support the higher voltage.

    • @BeatTheBush
      @BeatTheBush  11 місяців тому +1

      This is wired as a 48V system indeed.

  • @Tiersmoke92555
    @Tiersmoke92555 5 місяців тому

    Install a rated generator input and interlock or transfer according to you local requirements. Locate the equipment in an uninhibited out building connected via a rated cord and plug not conduit. Ground mount your arrays with a combiner disconnect. Insurance, municipality, and the power company can't regulate or interfere with you. Think of it like them telling you what type, brand, and style of internal combustion generator you can have.

  • @k1illagorilla
    @k1illagorilla 11 місяців тому

    Id be interested in seeing how to setup a switch for the hot water heater. Feel like a lot of power is going to waste heating water 24 hours a day.

    • @BeatTheBush
      @BeatTheBush  11 місяців тому

      Heat exchange water heater? Yeah, those will suck up a lot of energy eh?

    • @k1illagorilla
      @k1illagorilla 11 місяців тому

      @@BeatTheBush I have learned that in america every water heater in every home is trying to heat the water 24 hours a day. And i know that is some countries they will put a switch to be able to turn off the water heater to save power. I don't know why america doesn't do the same.

    • @Rako_Studios
      @Rako_Studios 10 місяців тому

      @@k1illagorilla You can put a timer on your HWH. Search "little gray box". I doubt they save much. Getting to temp uses way more energy than keeping at temp.

  • @gwentchamp8720
    @gwentchamp8720 11 місяців тому +1

    Looks interesting but is this really practical? The cost for all this has to be fairly steep.

    • @solomonchau7725
      @solomonchau7725 11 місяців тому +1

      No, it's not practical, let alone extremely dangerous for "most people". He's an electrical engineer. This is his passion.

    • @johnsteed265
      @johnsteed265 5 місяців тому

      Total cost is about $5500 if you include 4 x 250W solar panels. It would take him about 10 years to recoup costs if he is only using 8KwH of energy each day, as he claims (assuming electric cost $0.17 per KwH).

  • @roserosa8276
    @roserosa8276 11 місяців тому

    Great video about energy savings
    Since you are in the area of savings
    I would like to ask if you have any videos talking about Phone (SIMless Internet-Only Phones) or a Mobile Separate Device? Do you you know anything about SIMless cell phones more for privacy purposes and savings?

    • @BeatTheBush
      @BeatTheBush  11 місяців тому +1

      I use Mint, you can use a non-physical sim with that if that's what you mean by 'SIMless'. ua-cam.com/video/AguhJ5iOe1U/v-deo.html

  • @SmallVansBigWorld
    @SmallVansBigWorld 9 місяців тому

    Congrats on going off grid. Regarding connecting in series batteries from different brands, I wouldn't recommend it. I have similar set up, 2p2s, batteries from same manufacturer, and two year later, even with a balancer I had to take my system apart because I noticed a significant loss in capacity. I push my system pretty hard with 10kw inverters, so there's that. After a couple months, check individual voltages when the system top balances.

  • @clementcho
    @clementcho 8 місяців тому

    So I need some advice on what to do. What I am trying to do is I want to charge the Battery system during off-peak hours (cheaper e-cost) and use those stored energy during peak hours. So I assume the Eco Worthy inverter would switch mode during power outage. But could they be programmed to switch mode at particular time of day instead?

    • @BeatTheBush
      @BeatTheBush  8 місяців тому

      I run mine almost entirely on battery mode so it is not connected to the grid. Then you put on enough load to roughly balance out the amount of energy you get per day. No, you cannot program it to change modes at a particular time.

  • @socrates2706
    @socrates2706 11 місяців тому

    Not practical if you live in a hurricane zone (unless you have a very powerful solar array) because you will need AT LEAST 7 days of power in most cases. You could use one of these setups to supplement a big trifuel generator.

    • @BeatTheBush
      @BeatTheBush  11 місяців тому +3

      Probably the solar panels will blow away during a hurricane.

  • @milsonmun
    @milsonmun 11 місяців тому

    wow!

  • @jneckcrank
    @jneckcrank 11 місяців тому

    Are you going to EMP protect the house and backup system?

    • @BeatTheBush
      @BeatTheBush  11 місяців тому

      I may add a lightning arrestor for the PV modules but the backup system has to be fully enclosed including the wires.

    • @jneckcrank
      @jneckcrank 11 місяців тому

      @@BeatTheBush please make a video of the cost of the components and the plans to harden the system for EMP. Protection

  • @ClassyJohn
    @ClassyJohn 11 місяців тому

    Hi BTB, this may be a silly question but how do you maintain your EE knowledge over the years?

    • @BeatTheBush
      @BeatTheBush  11 місяців тому +2

      It's my hobby so I study it for fun.

    • @ClassyJohn
      @ClassyJohn 11 місяців тому

      @@BeatTheBush are there any particular subfields you fancy the most?

  • @Sailor06
    @Sailor06 2 місяці тому

    What battery balancer did you use?

    • @BeatTheBush
      @BeatTheBush  2 місяці тому

      amzn.to/3A8BEPL (affiliate link)

  • @zizhang5496
    @zizhang5496 8 місяців тому

    Am i confused, if you connected all the batteries in parallel how you get 53 volt?

    • @BeatTheBush
      @BeatTheBush  8 місяців тому +1

      Each rack has two batteries in parallel. Then each of those combined shelves are strung in series to form a 2p4s battery.

  • @sukszeto1837
    @sukszeto1837 11 місяців тому

    Will you get back into Tesla stock any time soon?

    • @BeatTheBush
      @BeatTheBush  11 місяців тому

      My holdings are a secret for now but currently it's all time high. =D

  • @Native722
    @Native722 11 місяців тому +1

    Had something similar setup and it caught fire.

    • @BeatTheBush
      @BeatTheBush  11 місяців тому

      What went wrong for you?

  • @kamsiu7342
    @kamsiu7342 11 місяців тому

    I remember this all in one unit only does PWM not MPPT charging

    • @BeatTheBush
      @BeatTheBush  11 місяців тому

      MPPT charge controllers are pretty standard on these larger hybrid inverters. However, I have yet to see it in action through my own testing.

  • @theChef1337
    @theChef1337 11 місяців тому +2

    Hopefully you went through your utility, they generally don’t want people just hooking up solar panels and inverters to their home electric system, especially if there is potential to back-feed. If you don’t have the right type of electric meter which they only hand out for people that are in a net metering agreement then chances are you wont be able to “spin the meter backwards” for any excess energy you produce. There is even a chance certain meters will keep spinning forward even if you are sending energy back into the grid.
    You’re a smart guy BTB theres no denying that, but there are safety codes and guidelines that I’m sure you know are in place for good reason. An average person watching your videos might think the information you present is all you need to know but in reality should probably just seek a licensed electrician/solar contractor. Electricity is not something the average person should be messing around with.

    • @sxmroadcam6347
      @sxmroadcam6347 6 місяців тому +1

      The man is an electrical engineer....don't you think he knows damn well what he is doing? The way I see it, the hybrid inverter only supplies power from the batteries to the chosen separate groups in the house (so not the whole house is plugged in through this hybrid inverter, only probably his laptops and fridge). The hybrid inverter can charge the batteries as well from the grid, when the solar panels do not charge them enough. So nothing goes back to the grid. As someone said before in the comment. It is not any different then to have your Tesla powering chosen part of your house. While the grid can also charge your Tesla. Tesla is not powering the grid.... So see the Tesla = Hybrid inverter with batteries. A lot of people are charging their Teslas at home which is common, what is not common is that people never use their Teslas with it's batteries to power part of your house...

  • @Nerdy_prepper
    @Nerdy_prepper 11 місяців тому

    ⚡️😎👍

  • @MegaValuedcustomer
    @MegaValuedcustomer 11 місяців тому +6

    Your insurance company is going to raise your rates or cancel your homeowner's insurance policy when they see this video.

    • @MoaningGit
      @MoaningGit 11 місяців тому +2

      No they won't.

    • @richb2229
      @richb2229 11 місяців тому

      Fire trap! Not to mention the fumes inside the house

    • @douglasfuentes2737
      @douglasfuentes2737 11 місяців тому

      Can you please explain why?

    • @theChef1337
      @theChef1337 11 місяців тому

      I was curious myself so I looked at the inverter. Didnt look like it was UL certified from what i could tell, but i may be wrong. Insurance companies usually require these types of equipment to be certified

    • @MoaningGit
      @MoaningGit 11 місяців тому +2

      @@theChef1337 it's NOT feeding the grid.. only pulls from the grid to charge

  • @davejoseph5615
    @davejoseph5615 10 місяців тому

    Aren't those batteries quite a fire hazard?

  • @vevenaneathna
    @vevenaneathna 9 місяців тому

    air cooled, like a porsche

  • @floydchusset3143
    @floydchusset3143 11 місяців тому +7

    Looks interesting but is this really practical? A perfect storm is brewing in the United States. Inflation, bank collapse, severe drought in the agricultural belt, recession, food shortages, diesel fuel and heating oil shortages, baby formula shortages, available automobile shortages and prices, the price of living place. It's all coming together and it could lead to a real disaster towards the end of this year (or sooner). With inflation currently at about 6%, my primary concern is how to maximize my savings/retirement fund of about $300k which has been sitting duck since forever with zero to no gains.

    • @jneckcrank
      @jneckcrank 11 місяців тому

      If you can DIY I am guessing everything he spent is about equal to a generator that can do the same thing? So the trade is noise and fumes vs quiet power? Plus DIY you get to learn how to do it.

    • @sxmroadcam6347
      @sxmroadcam6347 6 місяців тому +1

      @@jneckcrank how does it compare to a noisy fuel generator? A generator needs fuel.. his setup charges from the solar panels outside in his yard..so it can go on forever without spending more money for fuel..
      .

  • @shelley131
    @shelley131 5 місяців тому

    Being new to this , I just saw your video for the first. Great job. One critique I have is that I would have learned so much more if you would have demonstrated how you actually hooked up the batteries. Remember, not all your potential viewers know this stuff, and many rely on you tube to show them. Otherwise great job.

    • @BeatTheBush
      @BeatTheBush  5 місяців тому +1

      Noted. I'm looking to make a more no prior knowledge needed video on this topic.

  • @SmoothLounge7
    @SmoothLounge7 9 місяців тому

    Wait, your whole house only uses 7-8 KWh a day? That’s nothing. Did I hear that wrong?

  • @garyhibbert4875
    @garyhibbert4875 5 місяців тому

    sell me the 3000w one you took off

  • @heinuchung8680
    @heinuchung8680 11 місяців тому

    House fire waiting to happen lol

  • @tomevers6670
    @tomevers6670 10 місяців тому

    I have a larger system and I think my system is small 😂

    • @BeatTheBush
      @BeatTheBush  10 місяців тому

      You are right. Eventually, I will grow this system larger.

  • @steadymobbin.
    @steadymobbin. 11 місяців тому

    Cybertruck

  • @solarcharging9743
    @solarcharging9743 9 місяців тому +1

    Awesome battery assembly but a poor choice for an inverter. High frequency, transformerless inverter like this offer a poorer surge capacity and a shorter life expectancy than real inverters that use low frequency, transformer based inverter technology.

    • @BeatTheBush
      @BeatTheBush  9 місяців тому +1

      A great learning experience if I can get this to fail at some point and I can tell all about how many years it actually lasts.

  • @visamedic
    @visamedic 5 місяців тому

    That’s not a weird fascination…I’ve been looking into this so I can give Edison the finger pretty much permanently. It’s re-god-d@mn-diculous what I’ve been paying in electric. I’m gone 2 to 3 days a week. That means I’m gone between 8 and 15 days per month depending on whether I pick up extra shifts or not. This isn’t counting when I do side work teaching, or construction. GONE…NOT HOME…NOTHING IS RUNNING (other than one refrigerator and a freezer) for 8 to 15 days per month, and I’m paying between $6-900/month in summer. That’s not a bill…that’s sodomy.

    • @BeatTheBush
      @BeatTheBush  4 місяці тому

      If only fridge/freezer running, that sounds like it is very inefficient. Have you looked into the usage of each item? Use a energy meter to track down what is consuming such large amounts. Here is one of my older videos to help you cut your electricity bill: ua-cam.com/video/SS-5YkEfPb8/v-deo.htmlsi=baTEQd0AhKHnKqAY

  • @RonHarrisMe
    @RonHarrisMe 2 місяці тому

    Man, this guy sells out to ANYONE sending him FREE batteries. Just SAD man.

  • @pahanin2480
    @pahanin2480 11 місяців тому

    Fire hazard

  • @nicholastan2878
    @nicholastan2878 11 місяців тому

    Awesome! More of such technical hardware stuff and less cooking videos.