You may be interested to know, that both these accounts Ceridess and Ceridlock, were created on the same day: July 3, 2015. That seems like another interesting coincidence.
@@VirtualLunacy That's because they are the same person on 2 computers... That pissed me off when Kabug2 showed me that replay before the send in . But They are still playing as of this morning so Wg don't give a Duck....as usual.
If this is how they behave in a game how do they behave IRL!!!! Find them, take them out back, one to the back of the head!!! Fusking ass wipes, SORRY Used fusking ass wipes
I was really sympathizing with you during the video. Those bounced shots would have had me pulling my beard out by the roots! Well done on the detective work too! GG and o7!
Happy Sunday Claus. WG is from Belarus where rigging and cheating is the law of the land. Anything they say otherwise is just lip service to keep honest players in the game. I've watched enough clan play over the years to see that rigging is the rule rather than the exception. It's one of the reasons why I and a lot of other players have quit the game. You're still fun to watch though, thanks for keeping us entertained.
Yes criminality cheating and rigging are the typical eastern european and asian style. I ended this fucked up game because of all this shit. Greedy wargayming gangster perfect fit those other criminals.
The funny thing is WG is showing the same act at their forum. Belarus has political problems (WG hq is in Minsk) ,people are protesting again and again every day in Minsk against the dictatorship for weeks now (for democracy), they have a dictator for 26 years now. As someone want to show some feeling ,like about the protesting people (Wargaming own nation!!!) they close the topic or deleting it ,then they ban users for political posting. WOW!! Every other firm in Belarus are showing help or empathy for their own people. What WG do? Nothing ,not even a post on their main site, like it won't be there. Wg is piece a sh.t firm, who don't care about their nation. What should you expect for the gaming nation or the gaming industry??
Well, considering that BOWAT clan has 4 palyers which are all (probably) owned by the same guy, it's not hard to imagine that they tolerate this kind of stuff.
I don't see why we should give them free exposure for doing shaddy stuff. They're basically trolls. Trolls feed on attention. Your solution basically gives them an all-you-can-eat buffet.
This should be permanent BAN, they/he/she knows exactly what advantage it gives. Just as you said "rigging the game". Expose more and hope WG will react quickly to close these accounts. Great work Claus
yeah Claus it;s right.. he shoot not fully aimed and hit the turret twice and the got snapped.. wow.. amazing cheat. more like players who don't know game mechanics. Claus did this multiple time.. it's a weak player without knowlege.
Yeah they will, they understand when players don't enjoy the game and become discouraged by this sort of behavior they lose players and lost players = lost money. Its in their best interest to remove the b.s. when ever possible.
@@gittyupalice96 No they won't. WG does not give a shit about game play quality. Instead, the morons of WG (esp. in the NA) concentrate on chat bans and useless bans for "physics abuse" tickets sent in by snowflake whiners.
@@wolfattack402000 LOL, so you think that when you get pushed off a cliff or infront of enemies is nothing? Oh yeah, I too like to have a team mate that is dumb and pushes me for no reason, yeah, let's not do anything about that YEP, def useless ban, YEP, def snowflake whiners... Facepalm...
Only need to see how many battles ending 5-15 or 15-5, sometimes is a loop and the idea is equalize your victory ratio to about 50%... but their legion of commercial yotubers get a victory ratio greater than 60%... this is wargaming a great teather... this explains why sometimes your shoots are Big Unexplained Fails... this is why i do not spend never more a cent in that rigged game... time to see the wot fool fanboys angry response.
@@MM-gq1le I am too.......was playing an average of 25+ hrs a week now I hardly play 3-4 hr every other week. Haven't spent money on this game in a long time. Waiting for my prem time and credits to run out them I'm done too.
Stopped a long time ago when I figured that it's not the armor that matters but it's about who spends more on gold rounds. That's p2w in my book and so no thanks.
Hello Claus, 2 or 3 days ago I had exactly the same situation in tier 6 game with 2 M44 SPGs from BANDE-clan. One player from our team noticed this after he was killed when he was NOT spotted. After the game I checked both SPGs accounts - what a surprise, they were from the same clan. In the battle they were using anonymized nicks to cover their cheating. The game finished as a draw and they had 4 kills each. What really pissed me off was later when I sent this replay to Wargaming contact support team with exact and very detailed explanation. It didn't take a long time for them to send me their bullshit automatic reply (thank you for contacting us, there is an automated system which monitors and all that crap). So wargaming considered this situation as a normal, no cheating, just coincidence. P.S. This was in EU-server as I live in EU.
sometimes players in my clan (myself included) will count down trying to drop into the same battle, usually when we have more than 3 people that want to play together, and if we end up in the same match on opposite sides, we still play like normal, but focus on killing each other if possible
if there are people involved, there can be cheating. You find this same kind of thing on any game. The same group of idiots, go to other games cheat at any cost, if they can. See it on WT too. AW is infested too.
WG should first monitor their IP for a while to see if they have more accounts. They should also see if there had been purchases with the same payment details on other accounts. But let's be real, WG doesn't give a fuck and those fuckers will get a one week ban at most, most likely nothing.
Invisible vehicles, disappearing shots, impossible physics, dubious RNG and a matchmaker that has been stealth changed again to the detriment of lower tier players plus the regular cheats add up to an experience that is lacking.
_Invisible vehicles_ A game mechanic which is easy to understand but hard to master _disappearing shots_ A game mechanic which is easy to understand but "impossible" to master as you can't affect RNG. _impossible physics_ Recreating physics into a game is so far impossible. Simulating them for gameplay purposes is easier and WoT is doing pretty good job with it. There are some problems like soapy stones. _dubious RNG_ RNG works like it should. (If it should exist in the first place is another topic) _matchmaker that has been stealth changed again to the detriment of lower tier players_ Matchmaker does exactly what it's supposed to do. If there aren't enough lower tier players it can't form proper teams. That's not caused by the MM, it's caused by the players not playing lower tiers. _regular cheats_ During my ~25k games I've seen a cheater once. I wouldn't say that's "regular".
@@Stubbari You obviously have not seen Claus demonstrate invisible tanks in action. It is a real problem in the game. The rest has been demonstrated here and elsewhere (This video was about a cheat so I guess you have seen two now?). Don't call a game "realistic" (WG does on their homepage) when is it not.
obviously the guy(s) in the BOWAT CLAN use this cheat to increase their stats, and I am pretty sure the same guy(s) will also use this trick to increase their winrate by starting game with same tanks on 2 sides but only really playing for one side, basically putting an AFK/SPY tank into the other team... they will use free2play account for that that they dont really care about to increase the stats on their main account.
@@Stubbari Agreed. Both of these guys specifically have terrible WN8's, especially for cheaters. Makes me wonder if they figured since they are such terrible players themselves, they should just ruin the game for everyone.
It doesn't always mean someone is cheating especially if you're in an obvious bush/camping spot people will blind shoot there. . There's obvious hiding/camping bushes in every map where I always fire off a blind shot. Your 6th sense might not go off but you will trigger their 6th sense if you spot them and if they're a decent to good player they'll know roughly where you are spotting them from. I don't even need 6th sense to trigger I'll just shoot at obvious hiding bushes especially early game and late game. It's pretty easy to tell if you're hitting something or hitting the ground.
One of the reasons why i stopped playing. Toxicity in the game is at an all time high. No reason to keep playing when this kind of bullshit is running rampant.
Used to play this game a lot on console and spent money. Such a bs manipulated game, even without this crap, that I have given up entirely. Will spend my money elsewhere now. You can thank me later wargaming.
When we have a clan member on the other side its always a bonus to kill them , even on teams teamspeak we don't cheat just laugh a lot, but then again we are Aussies
They will NEVER FIX THIS PROBLEM. WG's Cheat protection is a Joke. 6 Monts for "fixing" OP tanks (268V4), and it just just a light nerf, nothing important, and the 430U "nerf" was the same, nothing important. This is a Rusian Game, Obiously Ruasian tanks are, and, will be OP it is his game.
I've been seeing this sort of thing going on the Asia server for a while now, I even sent in a replay showing how the enemy arty was hitting me spot on 3 times in a row even though i was moving around and not getting spotted. It's quite easy to do really, like Claus said all they need to do is play the same arty and count themselves into battle. Then they just jump on discord and screen share the match so they can both see where all the enemy are. At first I thought it was a Twitch streamer getting his team stream sniped but it was happening too often.
I play on the Asian server too, more than enough times I've had arty, and on occasion, other vehicles, know exactly where I was and started hitting me, and I'm not talking about hiding in the "typical" bush used by most people, or blind shots getting lucky. I have no doubt it was either rigging like this, or the illegal mod that pings the map where terrain was destroyed giving a virtual path of where you're going.
SEA is a loony bin but it's good for trolling, I've had tremendous laughs there. Cheaters tend to be the angriest so very easy to push into a tantrum, then report their meltdown to the mods (who are mindless censorship drones, really, not a brain between the whole lot) and get them banned.
Well I dunno about NEITHER side chief, every 10 games or so I'm on the rigged team and man the slaughter feels good. That of course if you manage to join in quickly enough before the 279s, Chiefs and 907s have killed everyone while my BatChat was still loading its first clip^^
This is really a great video. After having watched this video, I now realize that I have fallen victim to this very thing, over the past few years but did not realize what was happening but I know it pissed me off as I was well hidden and nobody knew where I was. I will no begin looking for this type of thing and if I even suspect anything, I will begin reporting it. I don't care who it gets into trouble, this shit needs to be stopped.
When I was an Admin for BFII there was a thing called kidnapping. Two clanmates would join different sides. One a medic, one a support player. The medic would squad up with a player and get them to a remote area where his buddy was waiting. Then the other player would kill the squadmate. He'd revive, so forth and so on. When you first get revived you are disoriented so you had no chance to retaliate. They would stat pad endlessly this way. Or go off into a remote location and put a vehicle in semi deep water and repair the vehicle the entire round getting expert repair and rank up that way. If there is a way to cheat, people are going to exploit it. I perma banned many players for this crap.
i once held the second highest points in bf2 because of a bug number one got banned i got my normal number back wich is way back at the line. I am a mediocre player at most games but good in strategy close to 52% wins in wot but i do not touch anything higher then tier 7.
It happens also in EU servers the last...10 years. WG through MM could easily forbid same clan members, friends, same IPs etc,playing opposite sides but..10 years (of greed) isn't enough for a fix
They do not want to change anything about the client that could benefit you, the player. Imagine if they introduced server side replays that you could download up to a week after the game. Can you even realise how many cheaters you could catch? Imagine if there was a battle history with the replays and you could just watch someone play. It would easily allow you to find cheaters but nope. They just want money.
It's the same a55hole and an executive officer for the clan at that with 66k games. Some ethics seem not to apply [BOWAT] and the 4 linked user accounts.
"People that use illegal mods...which wargaming bans" now that is a good laugh. 3 times in the last two weeks I was the last guy alive and watch (arty view) players guns snap to look at me from across the map without being lit, aka they knew exactly where I was and were looking at me. Cheating mod bans (if they actually occur at all) only occur to non paying players.
Just ban all mods, problem solved, and for those who argue that not all mods are cheats. My reply would be you want to use mods go play on dedicated mod server.
@@Stubbari It all boils down to do you allow mods or not? It could be argued that any mod which changes the game in any way could be classed as cheating. I get what you're saying with "fair play" mods but if WG are committed to stop cheating, then anything which changes or is different to the game code that WG installs, should be disallowed. There are other forms of cheating as well which doesn't involve mods which are highlighted in this video for example.
@@juxty3102 Again, banning mods doesn't remove cheaters. Cheaters can just download an external cheat program, which has nothing to do with mods, and continue cheating. If WG wanted to stop cheaters they would have to introduce an anti-cheat program which would take a lot of resources (money). Cheating in WoT isn't as impactful as in some other games. That's the reason why WG hasn't implemented an anti-cheat system.
Amzar Nacht Far from everyone. Someone playing better than you with professional shots, map awareness, and setup doesn’t automatically make them all cheaters. Riggers deserve all the hate, but some people just call hacks and report on any decent players that kill them in a op tank, making this game even more toxic for deep purple players like myself who has never laid a finger on gay ass hacks.
Pretty typical for this game. For me it's almost at the point of unplayable. Wg just refuses to take cheating seriously so I have decided not to spend one penny of my hard earned money to support this game until wg does something about this virus
I am like you. I played the game for seven years and loved the game. But too many things about the game pissed me off. Players on your team pushing you into line of fire, getting you killed. WG removed friendly fire. Used to be when in close combat arty or long distance snipers would not fire for fear of friendly fire. Now they fire because the magic shells only kill the enemy. People making bad moves then complain when others don't follow them. Vehicles like the Hellcat or arty that have no armor bouncing off shots from my tank that has 200 mm of penetration. Getting out detected by arty when I have better view range and concealment. The maps are too small. Every change WG did to maps made them less fun to play. I could go on, but I have less frustration since I do not play anymore. Have not played since August 2020. Still watch replays though.
It's not just in this game that people do this...I had a game in World of Warships where I was racing into a position with my Destroyer and despite me never being seen, torpedoes launched in a straight line from a British destroyer came right to my position and took me out... When Friday the 13th the game was still popular, my friend and I went to 2 different locations that nobody would think about being at or going to, and when we were the last survivors, Jason instantly popped right next to us. Funny thing is, I sent a simple message saying, "How did you find me?", and they pretty much revealed they cheated because both my friend and I were not moving so there was no noise for Jason to hear us, but the guy playing Jason said he heard me...followed by his friend sending us a message saying, "quit being sore losers", even though the only person to survive the match and escape was the friend of Jason who was watching us. Shortly after that, those 2 idiots were banned...
That might not be a cheat, I fire torps just to clear the edge of islands often so IF an enemy ship is coming around the corner they will have no time to react. With most destroyers I play in Warships I take a lot of blind torpedo shots because (unlike in real life) my torpedoes will reload fast, and they don't cost anything to fire.
The destroyer thing could easily be a case of the enemy DD using RDF or just being experienced enough to know that somebody was probably sailing where you were. That being said, there is a ton of BS that happens in all of wargamings games.
@@99beowulf99 in a straight line...right to where I was... Yeah I send torpedoes out myself and see if I hit random people, but these were not spread out and went directly to where I was...not to mention that other people in that game questioned on how they were getting torp...
Not true. Most WG higher ups are actually playing their own game and hear the community. But there is a ton of moving parts in play constantly and there is no obvious answer to a serious problem.
And lots of those cheaters came out of the woodwork for the marathon mission to get this average performing Polish tank. This past few days has been an absolute horror.
For the record, I superdrop all the time with my clan mates. However, we basically abandon all strat and just try and kill each other. Nothing is more glorious that blowing the shit out of your clan mate that you are in discord with.
Wargaming will take the same old position claiming that the game cannot be hacked and this can't happen. This is why I stopped caring about stats all together
This has been happening for years claus and i have even sent a ticket in regarding this to no avail, as all they say is that they are entitled to play on separate teams.
Occasionally in the past when mor eof my friends played we would split into separate platoons. Sometimes if there were 3 of us, fine 1 platoon. Sometimes if there were 4 of us we'd go 2 and 2 and try to count in and be on the same team. if we ended up on opposite teams it was on!! We'd play hard and hope to kill the others as a matter of pride lol.
It happens sometimes when the server population is low. In our clan, if you see one of ours on the other team, it's ok, actually preferred, if you get the exp and creds from popping a clanmate (and bragging rights too :) ); just don't throw the game to do it. We don't do count-ins much anymore because of bullshit like that shown in the video.
No surprises. WG employees do it all the time. I reported a guy who had 147 battles and an Obj 279(e). 90 battles later he had an Obj 260. No previous reward tanks and no TDs or SPGs ever. He had 5 premium tanks and only 35 battles in his only LT. WG told me he "earned" them. Sure.
LONG TIME AGO I SEEN A PLAYER WITH 600 BATTLES,, ONLY ONE TANK,, A MAUS,, NOT OTHER TANKS.. ALL 600 BATTLES WITH MAUS.. HOW THE HELL HE GET THE MAUS..? SIMPLE.. HE PAID.. HE HAVE HAD 150,000 GOLD PREMIUM ACOOUNT ON FEW YEARS TOO.. IM SURE HE CONTATC WG AND SAID I PAY 1000..OR MORE EUROS BUT GIVE ME THE MAUS,, WG IS A JOKE,,
@@HeinzGuderian_ That account has been reset at some point. For our convenience WG can't delete data from 3rd parties. Look at stats on wotlabs: wotlabs.net/na/player/adelisiron 580 games, but over 200 tanks. Including over 20 T10. On WoT-Life there are only 11 tanks (those which show up in their WoT profile): wot-life.com/na/player/adelisiron/ Still shady though as account reset should remove campaign vehicles (but keep reward/premiums).
@@Stubbari when you reset an account, all progression is also reset. I know. I had an account reset. Everything except Gold and Premium days/tanks go back to square 1. Let's pretend he kept progression and only had to start at the beginning of the 279(e) and 260. He still doesn't have the TD or SPG to do any of those missions nor the number of battles required, as some of the missions must be completed numerous times just to complete the Primary mission, not counting the Secondary. Also, WG suddenly increased his rating in WoT when I persisted in finding out what was going on. In 2 days, it more than doubled. He went from muppet to unicum. Tell me shenanigans are not in play.
this type of gameplay is often seen on the NA server. As the server population continues to fall these players could find themselves without a game to play. so sad that WG doesn’t seem to care. as long as the russian server is heavily populated they are happy.
I have three accounts on three different servers and before anyone says anything I spend cold hard cash in two of the three plus I never "double dip" codes. Anyhow, since my wife speaks Russian one of the three is on the Russian server (the buttons are all in the same place anyhow and since I don't speak Russian I can't understand if someone's yelling at me). There are clearly more players on the Russian servers than those in the West. But that being said there are very clearly more "free" players on the Russian servers too. By a long ways. FWIW.
It's a dam shame what WG did to the Progetto!!! It's a Belarus company what can you do!! Playing fair doesn't bring the results you want?? Nerf your enemy to the ground!! Now all soviet tanks are the best, heavies, mediums and lights (artillery are not tanks)!!
I can't remember anymore how many times I've been killed while hiding(not moving a muscle), not spotted it's like the shells are just coming out from nowhere.
Why do they do it? To increase the chance of completing missions of course. The fact that they suck at it is of no importance. If you put this on the WG forums you get banned for name and shame, that's how seriously they take rigging and cheating...
Notice the OP reward tank would have had to be blind firing on the move because the 65 wasn't lit until after firing second shot. All BSA in the game. It's like playing golf with clubs made out of soft rubber and the balls are bigger than the holes.
You seem have the same knowledge of visual mechanics in WoT as many players, little. As a player who enjoys recon I find this satisfying. Kudos Stubbari for stating the obvious.
@@germang.4514 That way it is understandable that he continues to play. But speaking of my will... I would like to stop playing this game for good ... and I can take 3, 4 days without playing it, but when I realize... there I am, playing it again!
back in the pre hd days the first clan i was in used to do the super toon try to get 9 players in on 1 team but we did not do it at low player times so i only did it about 10 times and only got a super toon 1 time but there was 1 time that 3 of us on 1 side and 3 on the other the team speak guy cut the 3 red team guys out of our chat and we went on to kick there ass's and got to brag about in clan chat there was no hey theres a guy coming up behind you on your left the guy in charge of the TS would have kicked someone out of the clan for that there was not even a thought of cheating vs the red team . this clan looks like it was built to cheat
My clan does the same thing. If we land on opposite teams, one toon goes to another channel. Then the battle is on. No collab. That's cheating and really not fun at all.
My brother's old clan used to do the same thing back in the day when all chat was still a thing. There was no communication in the other teamspeak channel, but all chat was hilarious... Especially when people were three sheets to the wind.
I wrote a program that searched through like 15,000 of my local replays for famous NA youtubers and it found almost no matches, or perhaps 1 or 2 at most. it is not highly likely to play a game with the same person twice, although it does happen.
Careful Claus...my clan does count in’s all the time and play against each other if we have more than can platoon. We play each other hard and do not collaborate with each other when on opposite sides. Actually we exult at destroying each other. Do not make assumptions you know what’s going on. Good vid tho...
This makes me want to just quit. A few weeks ago I platooned with 2 buddies. All 3 of us were shot by a T29. It was not an obvious bush and we were not spotted. He was not a clanmember but how in the name of god can he fire 3 shots in 3 directions and hit all 3? He continued to deal some damage, hitting everything, without people not being spotted. I sent the video to WG for analysis but they rejected it with the comment that "WG have a sufficient system to deal with illegal mods". When I think of it now it might have been the same case as this. A spy on the same team. Good video again, Claus! Hopefully the greedy WG gangsters will understand what they are (not) doing.
I saw this sort of thing in Steel Hunter. I roll up past side street and an enemy sitting almost next to my teammate as I am flying down an road, they are in a kinda far from me and neither one is shooting the other. I keep running and zig-zag through the buildings, going dark, and try to find a nice place to stop and hide. A few moments later the guy comes directly to where I am hiding. My teammate wasn't chasing him, he's still at full health.
just a note on the game play. the tank was moving in the bushes. when using arti you get a top down view of area, when you see the bushes moving and the trees being felled, then you have a really good idea where some one is. now it is very possible that they were working together, however knowing a tank was in the area and that tank moving bushes would give any one an idea some one was there.
I have been in the back of the map, not spotted, and yet keep getting shot by 1 player. Once it was confirmed to be stream sniping. But this would explain some other times.
When I played Mechwarrior Online, we'd do "Sync Drops" during Marek Monday Madness. Everyone individual, and the goal was to get into matches with Marek loyalists on both sides. Not for stat padding, but for fun. If we were the majority, we'd congratulate the other players for joining the Marek Civil War.
Good detective work inspector kellerman! They likely have cameras on each others screens and which ever team losses they stay ingame and watch their surviving team mates as a traitor
I remember when I met my friend in few matches. We were like: let's rush the line with the least tanks and the winner of 1v1 buys food or something. Never understand players in game who are abusing matchmaking, bugs, game system for winning. WoT went from "somehow enjoyable tank grinder" to "bend, pay and suffer simulator".
This also happens on the Xbox and, it's more often than not arty. Probably because they're the least played type of tank, they're typically not affected by obstacles and, they can do damage from anywhere on the map.
explains why most losing games 25 to 50% of my team are do zero damage and how some "players" have less than 40% win rates which is be nearly impossible even if a person does nothing, which means they are not only doing nothing but are aiding the enemy team
The cheating never ends in this game. It is why i don't play that much anymore. I hope you announce if they are ever banned. Thank you so much for staying true and not sniffing under WG Claus. You are so appreciated.
I had something similar happen the other day. A total of 3 of us was sat back protecting the base. No enemy was anywhere close, I never was detected all of a sudden the guy beside me blows up, I get hit and die and the 3rd guy back with us blows up. After words I checked and there was only 1 Arty on each team, both with similar names and the same clan tag. The Arty got the kills on us 3 sitting back. So I figured our Arty told him where we was or he was playing off 2 screens knowing our position.
Happens with tier 3. There are 2 platoons of all FCM 36 Pak 40 and all 6 players in the 2 platoons are from the same clan. Battle always comes down to the FCM 36 Pak 40 at the end.
I was the e100 on kabug's team in this match. i saw him die like that and thought something was up with this match when I played it. like it struck me that there were 2 guys from the same clan with similar names and same tanks. but beyond that i really didnt think much of it. I believe I was streaming at the time and just wanted to get onto the next match in my e100 because I was testing the 12.8 and seeing how much better it really was. good to see that this kind of problem is being brought to light.
Yeah, that is a clear example of complicit activity. To your other subs comments, it's ban-worthy. I hesitated 'Liking" the video, because it's not something you want to like. Keep up the great work, Claus!
That method was used at the very appearance of personal campaigns to win the last mission of heavy tanks (bouncing xxxxx damage). Nothing has changed since.
Its a very common occurence. I play about 20-30 games a day and just today I reported snipers like these 2 times luckily they got into the same team. It was 6 tier game and they were both playing on new accounts, they had about the same amount of games with only arty and similar nicknames with french words and numbers.
This guy is not banned and is still doing the same thing. You can check out both accounts and they always show the same exact time for the last battle played. Just 10 minutes ago they were in together at the exact same time.
(Former 19K) It is called a "short count" and it is a real US Army tank thing. After a tank unit laugers for the night, in the morning all the tanks start this way. Over the radio comes "Short count follows 3-2-1" and everyone hits the starter, so the enemy cant tell how many tanks are starting up.. The more you know.. Keep up the good work..
On the ANZ server (Australia New Zealand), if you have a friend online or two and you happen to be on the same tier, you get constant matchups with or against them regardless of when you started the matchmaking
that also happens if you happen to be both playing when the server population is low, like really early in the morning or really late in the evening. We have a rule in our clan that if you see a clan mate on the opposite team, we prefer that you be the one to kill them if possible. Bragging rights, beeach!! 😌
I love it when muppets rig steel hunter in solo, because they're all converging into one location and share the loot thinking they can win 3v1 easy. Then they get a reality check when they're at the 4th upgrade tops and run into someone fully upgraded that pummels all three of them, trying to run away while they scream for their mommies
I propose that cheaters who have been detected by Wargaming -- even just once -- secretly have a "scumbag" flag be set in their account, which does three things: * They are from then on only and secretly placed into special "scumbag" teams (rounded out by anonymous/unlabeled bots, if necessary). All tank stats _look_ the same, but everything about their tanks (except movement and track/turret speeds) is nerfed by, say . . . 50% -- damage, view range, armor thickness, penetration, accuracy, etc. * Every clan suffers a -1% penalty on their stats per flagged cheating member for ALL clan members, as specified above. The clan leader, in the clan roster, can clearly see who the cheating scumbags are. * Non-scumbag players who pre-battle platoon with scumbags have their stats unaffected, but they get thrown into these scumbag teams with the cheaters. Such a system would ruin the game for cheaters, just like they're ruining the game for many legitimate players. Clan leaders would be careful not to allow cheating scum into their clan so their legitimate members' game play is unaffected. Alternatively Wargaming could make this system open and not secret at all -- cheaters always have a "Cheater" or "Scumbag" flag above their tank and in the team lists. Enemy players would see that their tanks are scumbag-nerfed and prioritize them for easy kills. Either way, for cheaters, playing quickly becomes an exercise in futility and they leave the game. Non-cheaters, seeing this, are dissuaded from cheating in the first place. Edit: The anonymizer should no longer work for cheating scumbags. To the cheater it SEEMS to work, but doesn't.
Thanks for showing this. I used to think someone is using some uncloak mod coz I'm getting shot at while not detected even if I move to an u usual spot same guy hit me 3 in a row while not detected in 3 different location.
This is annoying and I have experienced it on the ANZ server which has very few players. On one occasion on Abbey I took up a fairly obvious sniper position in my TD and waited for the battle to begin. Alongside me sat a scout, behind a rock. "Odd" I thought, but thought no more about it. In a very short period of time I received a blind shot hit. Again, I thought nothing of it as I was sitting in an obvious sniping spot and though someone is just trying their luck, you never know. After receiving a second blind shot hit I thought that it wouldn't be a bad idea to move. This is when it got really odd because the scout hiding behind the rock decided to come with me. And, you guessed it, I got hit again without being spotted. This/these guys were a bit smarter though as they were playing with Anonymized Nicknames.
Not all clans rig games when they drop together. We drop and wind up on opposite teams, we talk s**t and look to kill each other. There can only be one champion.
@Richard Page : same in my clan. We try to get on the same side, and if not: we try to kill one another ASAP. Giving info on the team: hell NO!! There is no fun in that.
It's been a while since I've played WoT but I'm wondering something. Did they change the game mechanic that shows bushes move, trees fall, buildings break, etc. in an enemy arty's scope? If not, that's what gave his position away. He was constantly moving and pushing the bushes around. It isn't hard to figure out that the enemy team will fall back to base when they're about to loose. That gives the general area. So, the arty searches the base and sees the bushes continuously move. There's the target. Counter battery works the same way. Without the other evidence, it would be normal game play.
It's the weekend! Time to not do anything for anyone else. Time to be yourself for yourself! Whooooo Haaaa!
I agree claus relax
Peace.
You may be interested to know, that both these accounts Ceridess and Ceridlock, were created on the same day: July 3, 2015.
That seems like another interesting coincidence.
@@VirtualLunacy That's because they are the same person on 2 computers...
That pissed me off when Kabug2 showed me that replay before the send in .
But They are still playing as of this morning so Wg don't give a Duck....as usual.
Enjoy brother
Go NY I islanders!!!
They also do not shoot at each other and who knows how many players have had their games ruined by their cooperation? Ban the accounts.
why i never played in a clan all 5yrs I did play,ban accounts and the clan
Yeah, some get banned but after a while they're forgiven and accounts are reactivated. That sucks.
Is it just me, but I'd wait the entire game if I had to for a good counter-arty strike in to knock out a clan mate.
If this is how they behave in a game how do they behave IRL!!!! Find them, take them out back, one to the back of the head!!! Fusking ass wipes, SORRY
Used fusking ass wipes
@@leebenson4874 no arguement here
Thanks for showing my replay Claus! I feel some justice was served now.
I was really sympathizing with you during the video. Those bounced shots would have had me pulling my beard out by the roots! Well done on the detective work too! GG and o7!
@@itatane thanks o7
Im a blitz player. We get the same bs too, purpl and pramo always pulling this
o7 man. i hate hackers and cheaters in the game so badly
Can arty see bushes moving just like when you knock trees down?
Permanent ban for this behaviour. This makes it no fun for anyone.
:) it's a satisfying thought that someone might lose his clanwar tanks over rigging the game.
Extreme agreed...its not cheating...also how you can prove they cheating:)
@@CommanderFoxTV1992 yes, or a pile of premium tanks & bounty/ improved equipment 😂
And BAN the Clan too!!!!
@@mcschubimacfly4266 Lol why?
Its commont thing to make hard missions..
Happy Sunday Claus. WG is from Belarus where rigging and cheating is the law of the land. Anything they say otherwise is just lip service to keep honest players in the game. I've watched enough clan play over the years to see that rigging is the rule rather than the exception. It's one of the reasons why I and a lot of other players have quit the game. You're still fun to watch though, thanks for keeping us entertained.
Yes criminality cheating and rigging are the typical eastern european and asian style. I ended this fucked up game because of all this shit. Greedy wargayming gangster perfect fit those other criminals.
The funny thing is WG is showing the same act at their forum. Belarus has political problems (WG hq is in Minsk) ,people are protesting again and again every day in Minsk against the dictatorship for weeks now (for democracy), they have a dictator for 26 years now. As someone want to show some feeling ,like about the protesting people (Wargaming own nation!!!) they close the topic or deleting it ,then they ban users for political posting. WOW!! Every other firm in Belarus are showing help or empathy for their own people. What WG do? Nothing ,not even a post on their main site, like it won't be there. Wg is piece a sh.t firm, who don't care about their nation. What should you expect for the gaming nation or the gaming industry??
@@szgege32 wg is has no nationality and con't want to be political or have any problem with the belarusian government
Well, it’s pretty clear BoWAT clan tolerates and maybe encourages it. We should encourage everyone to upload replays that include them.
Well, considering that BOWAT clan has 4 palyers which are all (probably) owned by the same guy, it's not hard to imagine that they tolerate this kind of stuff.
Stubbari lmfaoo
some clans are cheater clans or rigger clans just like in WoWs
I don't see why we should give them free exposure for doing shaddy stuff. They're basically trolls. Trolls feed on attention. Your solution basically gives them an all-you-can-eat buffet.
This should be permanent BAN, they/he/she knows exactly what advantage it gives. Just as you said "rigging the game".
Expose more and hope WG will react quickly to close these accounts.
Great work Claus
Have no hope, it's been going on for years,, i mean like the beginning of the game.
Wargaming doesn't give a flying fuck about cheating as they are the biggest riggers in the game.
I do it all the time never been banned never will
They ban there accounts they will just make others.
@@charlieretro But you lose all your previous tanks! And that sucks!
1:21 - I swear no other clip can describe WoT better than this one. Everything you need to know about this game, showcased in less than 10 seconds.
But Claus said that's fun. Listen again.
lol, and you don't think they have code in their to buff certain tanks?
yeah Claus it;s right.. he shoot not fully aimed and hit the turret twice and the got snapped.. wow.. amazing cheat. more like players who don't know game mechanics. Claus did this multiple time.. it's a weak player without knowlege.
@@RedInside_live right.....
The dude’s aim was shit AND he didn’t aim fully. It’s 100% on him. Chieftain was lucky with that snap tho, not gonna argue.
WG will do nothing about it.
Yeah they will, they understand when players don't enjoy the game and become discouraged by this sort of behavior they lose players and lost players = lost money. Its in their best interest to remove the b.s. when ever possible.
@@gittyupalice96 If only they took the same approach to the balancing! Lol
I am think that this is true.
@@gittyupalice96 No they won't. WG does not give a shit about game play quality. Instead, the morons of WG (esp. in the NA) concentrate on chat bans and useless bans for "physics abuse" tickets sent in by snowflake whiners.
@@wolfattack402000 LOL, so you think that when you get pushed off a cliff or infront of enemies is nothing? Oh yeah, I too like to have a team mate that is dumb and pushes me for no reason, yeah, let's not do anything about that YEP, def useless ban, YEP, def snowflake whiners... Facepalm...
you tell me he grinded every tier X arty twice to do this cr4p, thats a new level of no life
Ceridlock Executive Officer 72,475 battles he must be bored to death
If you think about it, when people are at the top, the only thing they can do is look down. In these 2's cases, they thought it's funny to do so.
If ppl going to do these kind of stuff, they are also be willing to use bot programs
wg rig the the game more than anyone could ever rig it, but this really takes the piss.
Yes,extreme agreed...
Very true.
It was a problem before this, there was and there is a mod for map choosing...
@@szgege32 There is a mod that makes you able to pick the map?
Only need to see how many battles ending 5-15 or 15-5, sometimes is a loop and the idea is equalize your victory ratio to about 50%... but their legion of commercial yotubers get a victory ratio greater than 60%... this is wargaming a great teather... this explains why sometimes your shoots are Big Unexplained Fails... this is why i do not spend never more a cent in that rigged game... time to see the wot fool fanboys angry response.
Stopped playing WOT when WG introduced armored vehicles and made play similar to Mario Carts. Enjoy your vids Claus
I'm getting close to quitting too. Started yolo-ing in all my tanks because of this kind of crap.
Love Clauses vids!
@@MM-gq1le I am too.......was playing an average of 25+ hrs a week now I hardly play 3-4 hr every other week. Haven't spent money on this game in a long time. Waiting for my prem time and credits to run out them I'm done too.
Me to 100kmh armored gocart turning better the F1 race car
Stopped when my credit making Lowe can't do sh@t with out premium rounds.....
Stopped a long time ago when I figured that it's not the armor that matters but it's about who spends more on gold rounds. That's p2w in my book and so no thanks.
He would've gotten away with it too if it werent for the dang kids.
So the cerid's must be old Mr Jenkins....never saw that coming.
Hello Claus,
2 or 3 days ago I had exactly the same situation in tier 6 game with 2 M44 SPGs from BANDE-clan. One player from our team noticed this after he was killed when he was NOT spotted. After the game I checked both SPGs accounts - what a surprise, they were from the same clan. In the battle they were using anonymized nicks to cover their cheating. The game finished as a draw and they had 4 kills each.
What really pissed me off was later when I sent this replay to Wargaming contact support team with exact and very detailed explanation. It didn't take a long time for them to send me their bullshit automatic reply (thank you for contacting us, there is an automated system which monitors and all that crap). So wargaming considered this situation as a normal, no cheating, just coincidence.
P.S. This was in EU-server as I live in EU.
sometimes players in my clan (myself included) will count down trying to drop into the same battle, usually when we have more than 3 people that want to play together, and if we end up in the same match on opposite sides, we still play like normal, but focus on killing each other if possible
Delete their accounts on Wargaming, so they can't do it also on Warships if they play that as well.
if there are people involved, there can be cheating. You find this same kind of thing on any game. The same group of idiots, go to other games
cheat at any cost, if they can. See it on WT too. AW is infested too.
WG should first monitor their IP for a while to see if they have more accounts. They should also see if there had been purchases with the same payment details on other accounts.
But let's be real, WG doesn't give a fuck and those fuckers will get a one week ban at most, most likely nothing.
it's wg's fault, not the player. wg should change the matchmaking system so they don't match the same vehicles.
Invisible vehicles, disappearing shots, impossible physics, dubious RNG and a matchmaker that has been stealth changed again to the detriment of lower tier players plus the regular cheats add up to an experience that is lacking.
Game review andy
@@ChickbewProductions Did I mention that "Free to Play" is just another way to say "Pay to Win"?
@@hillbillyscholar8126 Woah we got bonus content
_Invisible vehicles_
A game mechanic which is easy to understand but hard to master
_disappearing shots_
A game mechanic which is easy to understand but "impossible" to master as you can't affect RNG.
_impossible physics_
Recreating physics into a game is so far impossible. Simulating them for gameplay purposes is easier and WoT is doing pretty good job with it. There are some problems like soapy stones.
_dubious RNG_
RNG works like it should. (If it should exist in the first place is another topic)
_matchmaker that has been stealth changed again to the detriment of lower tier players_
Matchmaker does exactly what it's supposed to do. If there aren't enough lower tier players it can't form proper teams. That's not caused by the MM, it's caused by the players not playing lower tiers.
_regular cheats_
During my ~25k games I've seen a cheater once. I wouldn't say that's "regular".
@@Stubbari You obviously have not seen Claus demonstrate invisible tanks in action. It is a real problem in the game. The rest has been demonstrated here and elsewhere (This video was about a cheat so I guess you have seen two now?). Don't call a game "realistic" (WG does on their homepage) when is it not.
obviously the guy(s) in the BOWAT CLAN use this cheat to increase their stats, and I am pretty sure the same guy(s) will also use this trick to increase their winrate by starting game with same tanks on 2 sides but only really playing for one side, basically putting an AFK/SPY tank into the other team... they will use free2play account for that that they dont really care about to increase the stats on their main account.
Thats absolutely ridiculous!
@@natcar360 that's what people are doing, I had the same idea obviously but never actually did it, cause it is just pathetic.
@@crazyrussianbot8012 Main account has 49% WR after 66k games. They aren't padding stats. They are just "having fun" by ruining games.
@@Stubbari or the would be even worse without cheating
@@Stubbari Agreed. Both of these guys specifically have terrible WN8's, especially for cheaters. Makes me wonder if they figured since they are such terrible players themselves, they should just ruin the game for everyone.
I have been shot in a lot of places and my sixth sense never goes off.
It doesn't always mean someone is cheating especially if you're in an obvious bush/camping spot people will blind shoot there. . There's obvious hiding/camping bushes in every map where I always fire off a blind shot. Your 6th sense might not go off but you will trigger their 6th sense if you spot them and if they're a decent to good player they'll know roughly where you are spotting them from. I don't even need 6th sense to trigger I'll just shoot at obvious hiding bushes especially early game and late game. It's pretty easy to tell if you're hitting something or hitting the ground.
One of the reasons why i stopped playing. Toxicity in the game is at an all time high. No reason to keep playing when this kind of bullshit is running rampant.
I left all online games over how its got.
This is one of the F N reasons why I stopped playing , WG allow this type of behavior hell the people of WG probably do this shit too !!!!!!
Used to play this game a lot on console and spent money.
Such a bs manipulated game, even without this crap, that I have given up entirely.
Will spend my money elsewhere now.
You can thank me later wargaming.
Can I thank you now (not WG)? With the new update that changed equipment I finally quit the game too.
@@99beowulf99 you quit after an actual good update? Stronk
When we have a clan member on the other side its always a bonus to kill them , even on teams teamspeak we don't cheat just laugh a lot, but then again we are Aussies
It's always more fun killing your own clan if they are on the other side!
They will NEVER FIX THIS PROBLEM.
WG's Cheat protection is a Joke.
6 Monts for "fixing" OP tanks (268V4), and it just just a light nerf, nothing important, and the 430U "nerf" was the same, nothing important.
This is a Rusian Game, Obiously Ruasian tanks are, and, will be OP it is his game.
How would you fix this problem?
I like how T-54 literally has 0 weakspots from front other than the lower place, not even the cupola or anything
They nerfed the Type 5 so hard that no one ever plays it. But it's not Russian.
I've been seeing this sort of thing going on the Asia server for a while now, I even sent in a replay showing how the enemy arty was hitting me spot on 3 times in a row even though i was moving around and not getting spotted. It's quite easy to do really, like Claus said all they need to do is play the same arty and count themselves into battle. Then they just jump on discord and screen share the match so they can both see where all the enemy are. At first I thought it was a Twitch streamer getting his team stream sniped but it was happening too often.
i had that happen to me but in a td by a heavy tank...i went from bush to bush and still got hit every time i moved and i was never detected in it...
I play on the Asian server too, more than enough times I've had arty, and on occasion, other vehicles, know exactly where I was and started hitting me, and I'm not talking about hiding in the "typical" bush used by most people, or blind shots getting lucky. I have no doubt it was either rigging like this, or the illegal mod that pings the map where terrain was destroyed giving a virtual path of where you're going.
@@stranded_mariner7695 happened to me too on the Asian server. No doubt the most corrupt sh*t show of a server in the World of Tanks.
@@Lupi33z couldn't agree more with that assessment!
SEA is a loony bin but it's good for trolling, I've had tremendous laughs there. Cheaters tend to be the angriest so very easy to push into a tantrum, then report their meltdown to the mods (who are mindless censorship drones, really, not a brain between the whole lot) and get them banned.
That's happened to me ,in sniper tanks ,no way i was detected, im in position, two seconds later im toast, from artillery. Shit is frustrating.
Remember, sometimes obvious bush is *obvious*. -shrug-
No different than WG stacking the teams so the game is so lopsided neither side has fun.
So fkin true... Especially during the marathons... 4-15 and 15-4 games all day long.
just remember the credits per minute... aka dollar per minute ... its all about the shekels
Well I dunno about NEITHER side chief, every 10 games or so I'm on the rigged team and man the slaughter feels good. That of course if you manage to join in quickly enough before the 279s, Chiefs and 907s have killed everyone while my BatChat was still loading its first clip^^
How is a random mm, "stacking"?
@@markdouglas485 Do you honestly, unironically, believe the mm is "random"? Bruh...
This is really a great video. After having watched this video, I now realize that I have fallen victim to this very thing, over the past few years but did not realize what was happening but I know it pissed me off as I was well hidden and nobody knew where I was. I will no begin looking for this type of thing and if I even suspect anything, I will begin reporting it. I don't care who it gets into trouble, this shit needs to be stopped.
When I was an Admin for BFII there was a thing called kidnapping. Two clanmates would join different sides. One a medic, one a support player. The medic would squad up with a player and get them to a remote area where his buddy was waiting. Then the other player would kill the squadmate. He'd revive, so forth and so on. When you first get revived you are disoriented so you had no chance to retaliate. They would stat pad endlessly this way. Or go off into a remote location and put a vehicle in semi deep water and repair the vehicle the entire round getting expert repair and rank up that way. If there is a way to cheat, people are going to exploit it. I perma banned many players for this crap.
i once held the second highest points in bf2 because of a bug number one got banned i got my normal number back wich is way back at the line. I am a mediocre player at most games but good in strategy close to 52% wins in wot but i do not touch anything higher then tier 7.
It happens also in EU servers the last...10 years. WG through MM could easily forbid same clan members, friends, same IPs etc,playing opposite sides but..10 years (of greed) isn't enough for a fix
They do not want to change anything about the client that could benefit you, the player. Imagine if they introduced server side replays that you could download up to a week after the game. Can you even realise how many cheaters you could catch?
Imagine if there was a battle history with the replays and you could just watch someone play. It would easily allow you to find cheaters but nope. They just want money.
now imagine all the 'smarter' cheaters whom uses the anonymizer.... so detection becomes even harder... WoT is dying, abandon the sinking ship...
They can't use the anonymizer... how they find each other in the list of players?
@@cptburundanga realy....? are you kiddin' me..? they are comunicating.... so they can see there name. and teel the other player.......
It's the same a55hole and an executive officer for the clan at that with 66k games.
Some ethics seem not to apply [BOWAT] and the 4 linked user accounts.
"People that use illegal mods...which wargaming bans" now that is a good laugh. 3 times in the last two weeks I was the last guy alive and watch (arty view) players guns snap to look at me from across the map without being lit, aka they knew exactly where I was and were looking at me. Cheating mod bans (if they actually occur at all) only occur to non paying players.
Just ban all mods, problem solved, and for those who argue that not all mods are cheats. My reply would be you want to use mods go play on dedicated mod server.
@@juxty3102 Banning mods wont stop cheating, but it will stop "fair play" users from using mods.
@@Stubbari It all boils down to do you allow mods or not? It could be argued that any mod which changes the game in any way could be classed as cheating. I get what you're saying with "fair play" mods but if WG are committed to stop cheating, then anything which changes or is different to the game code that WG installs, should be disallowed. There are other forms of cheating as well which doesn't involve mods which are highlighted in this video for example.
@@juxty3102 Again, banning mods doesn't remove cheaters. Cheaters can just download an external cheat program, which has nothing to do with mods, and continue cheating.
If WG wanted to stop cheaters they would have to introduce an anti-cheat program which would take a lot of resources (money). Cheating in WoT isn't as impactful as in some other games. That's the reason why WG hasn't implemented an anti-cheat system.
@@juxty3102 i have played this game long enough to no the game cheats you like hell not the players if the game wants you to win you win
As long as the two keep paying, WG will do NOTHING.
I'm convinced that there's only one way to play WoT on an equal playing field.
Well, two ways.
One - Don't play.
Two - Cheat, just like everyone else.
Amzar Nacht Far from everyone. Someone playing better than you with professional shots, map awareness, and setup doesn’t automatically make them all cheaters. Riggers deserve all the hate, but some people just call hacks and report on any decent players that kill them in a op tank, making this game even more toxic for deep purple players like myself who has never laid a finger on gay ass hacks.
Dr. BangBang if that’s you silver no you are not a top player.
This goes on more than we all suspect. Already this solves a puzzle that I was trying figure out.
Pretty typical for this game. For me it's almost at the point of unplayable. Wg just refuses to take cheating seriously so I have decided not to spend one penny of my hard earned money to support this game until wg does something about this virus
Same.they want to spend so u could be better.i won't spend anymore.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen an obvious cheater or rigger in 10 years playing randoms.
What a sad thing!, "luckily" I'm on the EU sever, a not all are in "family".
So what?on eu it.s the same but people don.t realize that;)i had a game(not the only one for sure)when 4guys from the same clan were 2/team.
@@sorinancuta3934 As i said, not all.
@@sorinancuta3934 I had the same thing also on EU.
Man fuck this game.
A game is for you to chill and relax not to die of heart atack created by rage.
@@AbsSolut on anyother server is the same.SOME are rigging the game
@@danieladrian8354 next time send a ticket with the replay;)
Use to love this game,
Quit months ago
Feel much better now
Do miss the game though
Played since '11
I am like you. I played the game for seven years and loved the game. But too many things about the game pissed me off. Players on your team pushing you into line of fire, getting you killed. WG removed friendly fire. Used to be when in close combat arty or long distance snipers would not fire for fear of friendly fire. Now they fire because the magic shells only kill the enemy. People making bad moves then complain when others don't follow them. Vehicles like the Hellcat or arty that have no armor bouncing off shots from my tank that has 200 mm of penetration. Getting out detected by arty when I have better view range and concealment. The maps are too small. Every change WG did to maps made them less fun to play. I could go on, but I have less frustration since I do not play anymore. Have not played since August 2020. Still watch replays though.
It's not just in this game that people do this...I had a game in World of Warships where I was racing into a position with my Destroyer and despite me never being seen, torpedoes launched in a straight line from a British destroyer came right to my position and took me out...
When Friday the 13th the game was still popular, my friend and I went to 2 different locations that nobody would think about being at or going to, and when we were the last survivors, Jason instantly popped right next to us. Funny thing is, I sent a simple message saying, "How did you find me?", and they pretty much revealed they cheated because both my friend and I were not moving so there was no noise for Jason to hear us, but the guy playing Jason said he heard me...followed by his friend sending us a message saying, "quit being sore losers", even though the only person to survive the match and escape was the friend of Jason who was watching us. Shortly after that, those 2 idiots were banned...
That might not be a cheat, I fire torps just to clear the edge of islands often so IF an enemy ship is coming around the corner they will have no time to react. With most destroyers I play in Warships I take a lot of blind torpedo shots because (unlike in real life) my torpedoes will reload fast, and they don't cost anything to fire.
The destroyer thing could easily be a case of the enemy DD using RDF or just being experienced enough to know that somebody was probably sailing where you were.
That being said, there is a ton of BS that happens in all of wargamings games.
@@99beowulf99 in a straight line...right to where I was...
Yeah I send torpedoes out myself and see if I hit random people, but these were not spread out and went directly to where I was...not to mention that other people in that game questioned on how they were getting torp...
Unfortunately for us WG only pretend they care...
Not true. Most WG higher ups are actually playing their own game and hear the community. But there is a ton of moving parts in play constantly and there is no obvious answer to a serious problem.
And lots of those cheaters came out of the woodwork for the marathon mission to get this average performing Polish tank. This past few days has been an absolute horror.
For the record, I superdrop all the time with my clan mates. However, we basically abandon all strat and just try and kill each other. Nothing is more glorious that blowing the shit out of your clan mate that you are in discord with.
We have A LOT of this every time there is a "special"
Wargaming will take the same old position claiming that the game cannot be hacked and this can't happen. This is why I stopped caring about stats all together
So far the game hasn't been hacked.
@Aethelstan of England Couple of questions comes into mind.
1. Why? What's the point of this?
2. How does it work?
3. Why are there no proof of this?
@Aethelstan of England I'd rather just forget that mumbo-jumbo
Glad you can help in getting rid of these cheaters...hope it makes a difference
Cheating≠rigging
Claus Kellerman, flipping over rocks and exposing the slime.
He usually crashes into rocks and blows up!
This has been happening for years claus and i have even sent a ticket in regarding this to no avail, as all they say is that they are entitled to play on separate teams.
Occasionally in the past when mor eof my friends played we would split into separate platoons. Sometimes if there were 3 of us, fine 1 platoon. Sometimes if there were 4 of us we'd go 2 and 2 and try to count in and be on the same team. if we ended up on opposite teams it was on!! We'd play hard and hope to kill the others as a matter of pride lol.
Same here. It happens infrequently but it does happen. We happily murder each other and use different discord rooms for each platoon
It happens sometimes when the server population is low. In our clan, if you see one of ours on the other team, it's ok, actually preferred, if you get the exp and creds from popping a clanmate (and bragging rights too :) ); just don't throw the game to do it. We don't do count-ins much anymore because of bullshit like that shown in the video.
I agree
No surprises. WG employees do it all the time. I reported a guy who had 147 battles and an Obj 279(e). 90 battles later he had an Obj 260. No previous reward tanks and no TDs or SPGs ever. He had 5 premium tanks and only 35 battles in his only LT.
WG told me he "earned" them. Sure.
LONG TIME AGO I SEEN A PLAYER WITH 600 BATTLES,, ONLY ONE TANK,, A MAUS,, NOT OTHER TANKS.. ALL 600 BATTLES WITH MAUS.. HOW THE HELL HE GET THE MAUS..? SIMPLE.. HE PAID.. HE HAVE HAD 150,000 GOLD PREMIUM ACOOUNT ON FEW YEARS TOO.. IM SURE HE CONTATC WG AND SAID I PAY 1000..OR MORE EUROS BUT GIVE ME THE MAUS,,
WG IS A JOKE,,
Do you remember the name of that account?
@@Stubbari adelisiron.
@@HeinzGuderian_ That account has been reset at some point.
For our convenience WG can't delete data from 3rd parties.
Look at stats on wotlabs:
wotlabs.net/na/player/adelisiron
580 games, but over 200 tanks. Including over 20 T10.
On WoT-Life there are only 11 tanks (those which show up in their WoT profile):
wot-life.com/na/player/adelisiron/
Still shady though as account reset should remove campaign vehicles (but keep reward/premiums).
@@Stubbari when you reset an account, all progression is also reset. I know. I had an account reset. Everything except Gold and Premium days/tanks go back to square 1.
Let's pretend he kept progression and only had to start at the beginning of the 279(e) and 260. He still doesn't have the TD or SPG to do any of those missions nor the number of battles required, as some of the missions must be completed numerous times just to complete the Primary mission, not counting the Secondary.
Also, WG suddenly increased his rating in WoT when I persisted in finding out what was going on. In 2 days, it more than doubled. He went from muppet to unicum. Tell me shenanigans are not in play.
this type of gameplay is often seen on the NA server. As the server population continues to fall these players could find themselves without a game to play. so sad that WG doesn’t seem to care. as long as the russian server is heavily populated they are happy.
I have three accounts on three different servers and before anyone says anything I spend cold hard cash in two of the three plus I never "double dip" codes. Anyhow, since my wife speaks Russian one of the three is on the Russian server (the buttons are all in the same place anyhow and since I don't speak Russian I can't understand if someone's yelling at me). There are clearly more players on the Russian servers than those in the West. But that being said there are very clearly more "free" players on the Russian servers too. By a long ways. FWIW.
It's a dam shame what WG did to the Progetto!!! It's a Belarus company what can you do!! Playing fair doesn't bring the results you want?? Nerf your enemy to the ground!! Now all soviet tanks are the best, heavies, mediums and lights (artillery are not tanks)!!
Sometimes in my clan we do countdowns just for fun, and having fun shooting clan mates in opositive team, and joking with that
I can't remember anymore how many times I've been killed while hiding(not moving a muscle), not spotted it's like the shells are just coming out from nowhere.
Why do they do it? To increase the chance of completing missions of course. The fact that they suck at it is of no importance. If you put this on the WG forums you get banned for name and shame, that's how seriously they take rigging and cheating...
More people need to do this.
WG also cheat by stacking gold players on one side so they always win' FACT ive seen it too many times now ..
Agreed... been in a lot of games now where one side shoots gold.... no aim no skill blowouts
How do I get to be a "gold player"?
@@Stubbari called using gold rounds
@@topicz7791 oh you mean the premium rounds that's EVERYONE can use...?
Jon or you're just not very good and your ego can't take it so you make excuses.
Notice the OP reward tank would have had to be blind firing on the move because the 65 wasn't lit until after firing second shot. All BSA in the game. It's like playing golf with clubs made out of soft rubber and the balls are bigger than the holes.
Obviously the progetto was spotted after the 1st shot.
You seem have the same knowledge of visual mechanics in WoT as many players, little.
As a player who enjoys recon I find this satisfying.
Kudos Stubbari for stating the obvious.
Claus...i agree with all that you said...it's really frustating playing in this days.
However, why, do you still play this game????
Buddy, playing this game is Claus's job, he has invested many years in YT and Twich and he can't stop playing for this kind of thing, he just can't.
@@germang.4514 That way it is understandable that he continues to play.
But speaking of my will... I would like to stop playing this game for good ... and I can take 3, 4 days without playing it, but when I realize... there I am, playing it again!
@@araf633 I have the same problem.
@@germang.4514 @Ar Af switch to warthunder it did save me alot of nerves and it is actually a better game.
This actually explains how on many battles, the enemy team is able to hit before they are even light up on the mini map
It can be luck. I always lol shoot in the enemy spawn and I killed tanks on multiple occasions just by lucky rng
back in the pre hd days the first clan i was in used to do the super toon try to get 9 players in on 1 team but we did not do it at low player times so i only did it about 10 times and only got a super toon 1 time but there was 1 time that 3 of us on 1 side and 3 on the other the team speak guy cut the 3 red team guys out of our chat and we went on to kick there ass's and got to brag about in clan chat there was no hey theres a guy coming up behind you on your left the guy in charge of the TS would have kicked someone out of the clan for that there was not even a thought of cheating vs the red team . this clan looks like it was built to cheat
My clan does the same thing. If we land on opposite teams, one toon goes to another channel. Then the battle is on. No collab. That's cheating and really not fun at all.
My brother's old clan used to do the same thing back in the day when all chat was still a thing. There was no communication in the other teamspeak channel, but all chat was hilarious... Especially when people were three sheets to the wind.
I wrote a program that searched through like 15,000 of my local replays for famous NA youtubers and it found almost no matches, or perhaps 1 or 2 at most. it is not highly likely to play a game with the same person twice, although it does happen.
Careful Claus...my clan does count in’s all the time and play against each other if we have more than can platoon. We play each other hard and do not collaborate with each other when on opposite sides. Actually we exult at destroying each other. Do not make assumptions you know what’s going on. Good vid tho...
This makes me want to just quit. A few weeks ago I platooned with 2 buddies. All 3 of us were shot by a T29. It was not an obvious bush and we were not spotted. He was not a clanmember but how in the name of god can he fire 3 shots in 3 directions and hit all 3? He continued to deal some damage, hitting everything, without people not being spotted. I sent the video to WG for analysis but they rejected it with the comment that "WG have a sufficient system to deal with illegal mods". When I think of it now it might have been the same case as this. A spy on the same team. Good video again, Claus! Hopefully the greedy WG gangsters will understand what they are (not) doing.
I saw this sort of thing in Steel Hunter. I roll up past side street and an enemy sitting almost next to my teammate as I am flying down an road, they are in a kinda far from me and neither one is shooting the other. I keep running and zig-zag through the buildings, going dark, and try to find a nice place to stop and hide. A few moments later the guy comes directly to where I am hiding. My teammate wasn't chasing him, he's still at full health.
just a note on the game play. the tank was moving in the bushes. when using arti you get a top down view of area, when you see the bushes moving and the trees being felled, then you have a really good idea where some one is. now it is very possible that they were working together, however knowing a tank was in the area and that tank moving bushes would give any one an idea some one was there.
I have been in the back of the map, not spotted, and yet keep getting shot by 1 player. Once it was confirmed to be stream sniping. But this would explain some other times.
When I played Mechwarrior Online, we'd do "Sync Drops" during Marek Monday Madness. Everyone individual, and the goal was to get into matches with Marek loyalists on both sides. Not for stat padding, but for fun. If we were the majority, we'd congratulate the other players for joining the Marek Civil War.
Good detective work inspector kellerman! They likely have cameras on each others screens and which ever team losses they stay ingame and watch their surviving team mates as a traitor
I remember when I met my friend in few matches. We were like: let's rush the line with the least tanks and the winner of 1v1 buys food or something. Never understand players in game who are abusing matchmaking, bugs, game system for winning. WoT went from "somehow enjoyable tank grinder" to "bend, pay and suffer simulator".
This also happens on the Xbox and, it's more often than not arty. Probably because they're the least played type of tank, they're typically not affected by obstacles and, they can do damage from anywhere on the map.
It is not just ban for them, but warning for the clan, and investigation of it.
These kind of jerks are why I stopped worrying about my win rate. Thanks for the info CK
explains why most losing games 25 to 50% of my team are do zero damage and how some "players" have less than 40% win rates which is be nearly impossible even if a person does nothing, which means they are not only doing nothing but are aiding the enemy team
The cheating never ends in this game. It is why i don't play that much anymore. I hope you announce if they are ever banned. Thank you so much for staying true and not sniffing under WG Claus. You are so appreciated.
I don't know a single multiplayer game which don't have cheating or similar questionable activities.
I had something similar happen the other day. A total of 3 of us was sat back protecting the base. No enemy was anywhere close, I never was detected all of a sudden the guy beside me blows up, I get hit and die and the 3rd guy back with us blows up. After words I checked and there was only 1 Arty on each team, both with similar names and the same clan tag. The Arty got the kills on us 3 sitting back. So I figured our Arty told him where we was or he was playing off 2 screens knowing our position.
Happens with tier 3. There are 2 platoons of all FCM 36 Pak 40 and all 6 players in the 2 platoons are from the same clan. Battle always comes down to the FCM 36 Pak 40 at the end.
My clan does multi game drops all the time - 'press battle button simultaneously'. We never share in-battle tactics.
Yesterday I had the same doubt on 2 platoons in both team.
I was the e100 on kabug's team in this match. i saw him die like that and thought something was up with this match when I played it. like it struck me that there were 2 guys from the same clan with similar names and same tanks. but beyond that i really didnt think much of it. I believe I was streaming at the time and just wanted to get onto the next match in my e100 because I was testing the 12.8 and seeing how much better it really was. good to see that this kind of problem is being brought to light.
If I missed two shots and got fired back in return by that chieftain, replay would be already over.
Yeah, that is a clear example of complicit activity. To your other subs comments, it's ban-worthy. I hesitated 'Liking" the video, because it's not something you want to like. Keep up the great work, Claus!
That method was used at the very appearance of personal campaigns to win the last mission of heavy tanks (bouncing xxxxx damage). Nothing has changed since.
Its a very common occurence. I play about 20-30 games a day and just today I reported snipers like these 2 times luckily they got into the same team. It was 6 tier game and they were both playing on new accounts, they had about the same amount of games with only arty and similar nicknames with french words and numbers.
This guy is not banned and is still doing the same thing. You can check out both accounts and they always show the same exact time for the last battle played. Just 10 minutes ago they were in together at the exact same time.
(Former 19K) It is called a "short count" and it is a real US Army tank thing. After a tank unit laugers for the night, in the morning all the tanks start this way. Over the radio comes "Short count follows 3-2-1" and everyone hits the starter, so the enemy cant tell how many tanks are starting up.. The more you know.. Keep up the good work..
Screen share makes it easy to know exactly where to place the arty shell
That snapshot from the Chieftain, i wish i could do that and as for the progetto dude, i feel your pain!
On the ANZ server (Australia New Zealand), if you have a friend online or two and you happen to be on the same tier, you get constant matchups with or against them regardless of when you started the matchmaking
that also happens if you happen to be both playing when the server population is low, like really early in the morning or really late in the evening. We have a rule in our clan that if you see a clan mate on the opposite team, we prefer that you be the one to kill them if possible. Bragging rights, beeach!! 😌
@@1slotmech In the morning the lowest number of people in a match got down to 300-400
Great video Claus thanks for sharing.👏🏽👍🏽
I love it when muppets rig steel hunter in solo, because they're all converging into one location and share the loot thinking they can win 3v1 easy. Then they get a reality check when they're at the 4th upgrade tops and run into someone fully upgraded that pummels all three of them, trying to run away while they scream for their mommies
I propose that cheaters who have been detected by Wargaming -- even just once -- secretly have a "scumbag" flag be set in their account, which does three things:
* They are from then on only and secretly placed into special "scumbag" teams (rounded out by anonymous/unlabeled bots, if necessary). All tank stats _look_ the same, but everything about their tanks (except movement and track/turret speeds) is nerfed by, say . . . 50% -- damage, view range, armor thickness, penetration, accuracy, etc.
* Every clan suffers a -1% penalty on their stats per flagged cheating member for ALL clan members, as specified above. The clan leader, in the clan roster, can clearly see who the cheating scumbags are.
* Non-scumbag players who pre-battle platoon with scumbags have their stats unaffected, but they get thrown into these scumbag teams with the cheaters.
Such a system would ruin the game for cheaters, just like they're ruining the game for many legitimate players. Clan leaders would be careful not to allow cheating scum into their clan so their legitimate members' game play is unaffected.
Alternatively Wargaming could make this system open and not secret at all -- cheaters always have a "Cheater" or "Scumbag" flag above their tank and in the team lists. Enemy players would see that their tanks are scumbag-nerfed and prioritize them for easy kills.
Either way, for cheaters, playing quickly becomes an exercise in futility and they leave the game. Non-cheaters, seeing this, are dissuaded from cheating in the first place.
Edit: The anonymizer should no longer work for cheating scumbags. To the cheater it SEEMS to work, but doesn't.
Thanks for showing this. I used to think someone is using some uncloak mod coz I'm getting shot at while not detected even if I move to an u usual spot same guy hit me 3 in a row while not detected in 3 different location.
I think I'm more aggravated by the two shots bounced off the side of the Chieftain, followed up by a return snap shot pen on the move. Ugggh....
I saw the same thing happening in mid tiers and sent a ticket in a few weeks back
Could be rigging for missions for the 260 or 279e. You can buy mission sets on eBay and other sites.
This is annoying and I have experienced it on the ANZ server which has very few players.
On one occasion on Abbey I took up a fairly obvious sniper position in my TD and waited for the battle to begin. Alongside me sat a scout, behind a rock. "Odd" I thought, but thought no more about it. In a very short period of time I received a blind shot hit. Again, I thought nothing of it as I was sitting in an obvious sniping spot and though someone is just trying their luck, you never know. After receiving a second blind shot hit I thought that it wouldn't be a bad idea to move.
This is when it got really odd because the scout hiding behind the rock decided to come with me. And, you guessed it, I got hit again without being spotted.
This/these guys were a bit smarter though as they were playing with Anonymized Nicknames.
Not all clans rig games when they drop together. We drop and wind up on opposite teams, we talk s**t and look to kill each other. There can only be one champion.
@Richard Page : same in my clan. We try to get on the same side, and if not: we try to kill one another ASAP. Giving info on the team: hell NO!! There is no fun in that.
This happens not only with artillery but with many tanks, players simply doing "count to enter the queue". Is ridiculous
It's funny to play against your clanmates/friends whenever "normal" randoms get boring.
It's been a while since I've played WoT but I'm wondering something. Did they change the game mechanic that shows bushes move, trees fall, buildings break, etc. in an enemy arty's scope? If not, that's what gave his position away. He was constantly moving and pushing the bushes around. It isn't hard to figure out that the enemy team will fall back to base when they're about to loose. That gives the general area. So, the arty searches the base and sees the bushes continuously move. There's the target. Counter battery works the same way. Without the other evidence, it would be normal game play.