Other than to parallel the comic storyline, why do you think Steve Rogers hitting the Time Stone transported everyone to 1602 in particular? Do you think I’m reaching with the theory that Loki picked it to return to the era of Shakespeare?
If everyone was transported to 1602, why was Steve the only one the time stone called out? The rifts were being caused because he was the anomaly, much like the spiderman ones.
Surprised it wasn't mentioned that Tom Hiddleston has played Hamlet, in a production where he was directed by Thor director Kenneth Branagh (who has also done his own Hamlet). Branagh actually recommended Hiddleston to audition for Thor because they'd been in a stage play together before.
I honestly cant believe that they didnt include Hawkeye in this episode it is the perfect time period for him to be represented in, they could have easily slotted him in as one of Rogers' merry men
Bucky mentions him when he's shooting at Happy - "Barton sends his regards". I took that as perhaps Hawkeye had been killed by Happy sometime beforehand. Maybe Rogers took over as their leader?
I REALLY LOVED the fact that all the voices are w/the characters. Really wish Chris Evans & Rob Downy voiced their parts. The ones doin em tho are doin an amazin job…
Captain Carter was unfairly blamed by Thor for what happened to Hela. Peggy was essentially kidnapped by Wanda to help their reality. Peggy's not magical.
My exact thoughts this entire episode. What tf did they expect a goddamn super soldier with no kind of magical abilities whatsoever to do in the first place?
6:28 but I think that the reason why Peggy is aware of The Watcher is actually due to the fact that the two of them interacted last season had has nothing to do with Infinity Ultron becoming aware of The Watcher in season one
I don't think he's saying that the reason Peggy sees the Watcher is the same reason Ultron Infinity did. He's just saying that Peggy sees the Watcher, just like Ultron Infinity saw him, just like Strange Supreme sees him, all three for different reasons.
Was it just me who saw that there was a scene where loki held Wanda and like they had a moment or something but it was really great seeing Wanda in a better place mentally ❤
Yeah, it’s entirely possible that the Infinity War battle that created this 1602 reality was in the same universe as the Christmas episode with Hulk Hogan
I absolutely loved this episode! I understand this is only an adaptation of the 1602 comics in name for the most part but this proved to be incredible proof of concept episode in my opinion. Keeping it grounded in the established MCU while giving you that 1602 twist worked really will in my opinion! It was awesome to see our heroes and what they could have been if they were from a different era. Like almost every episode my only real issue was it was way too short because these ideas are so good and executed so well I wish we got more time with them like a full length television series or movie but nevertheless I really loved this episode! 9.5/10!
I absolutely love this episode easily, my favorite what if episode I really cannot wait to see more of agent Carter because Haley Atwell is killing it!
This may be my inner Neil Gaiman fan reaching, but I think Scott's mention of the dance macabre at 12:57 is a smaller, subtle Gaiman reference to his Hugo Award and Newbery Medal winning novel The Graveyard Book, published 5 years after his 1602 run, which contains a chapter focusing on the town and graveyard's celebration of the dance macabre. Might be reaching though.
16:21 if everyone else is also displaced to 1602, why aren't they forerunners too? The fact that Steve is the only one that's glowing as the forerunner means that everyone else is created there in 1602, like in the comics
In my interpretation, he was the incursion point or whatever you wanna label it and so when he was returned, that branch pruned itself and alternate events happened. Maybe even someone else was ruling, who knows how it changed, but nothing was left except the castle so Carter moved on.
They are from that universe. Steve and Peggy are the only ones that aren't. Idk why people think they're all from 2018. Nothing here suggests otherwise
A great misdirect for the episode is Happy being the Freak in this reality because I bet most of us were only introduced to the idea back in this season’s Christmas episode.
Interesting thought: Maybe the 1602 universe is what happened during the Infinity War of the universe of Episode 3 this season, and that’s why Happy turns into the Freak here, too.
Considering MCU Loki comes from previous Shakespearean (and tv) collaborations between Brannagh and Hiddleston, this is a nice nod. Without that casting choice I doubt Loki would have played such an important role in the MCU.
Holy Sh! I had no idea Neil Gaiman wrote the 1602 comics. Guess what I'm reading today. This was probably my favorite episode of the season (and I've seen the last one as I write this). Good fun all around.
It would be good if Marvel would use the blast from Thanos’ use of the stones as a reason why some people become mutants. Even those who were born since the snap. They would be teenagers now which is perfect for the time mutants to gain their powers. It would explain why mutants didn’t intervene in the battle with Thanos and The possibilities would be endless.
Something I kept thinking about this whole episode was: why is Steve big if this was during a time before the super soldier serum could've been created? The answer was in front of me the whole time... I know the same argument could be made for the hulk but it could've been explained away as 1602 bruce could've gotten gamma poisoning from a different source. The super soldier serum has a VERY specific formula.
6.40 when watcher says "Worlds die every day. I have seen millions fade away." I think he is talking about millions of worlds fading away. If he saw atleast 1 world die every day, he is atleast 2700 years old. Or older. What is his age EV
Sometimes this channel notices a detail i did but for a surprisingly different reason like I loved how Uatu is like ‘billions day every day b, this one too’ and Peggy is like “not on my watch” because on Uatu is an inactive watcher like a 3rd person observer
This season ain't even close to the first season. The Watcher ain't picking the best stories to tell. I would love to see MCU Loki telling stories while sitting on his Throne.
This episode was awesome probably my favorite this season love see all the avengers variance in 1602 cant wait to see what in store for us tomorrow in the finale.
If ever there was a way to have a Marvel/DC crossover in an organic way, this was it. I we got a quick shot of Shakespeare hanging out with Morpheus in the background, it would not have been out of place.
The helmet in the background of Tony's laboratorium is a barbute, a common helmet style of the 15th century. These were the helmet style upon which the Mandalorian's helmet is base, not the other way around.
When Tony mentioned thieves I thought it was either going to be Clint or Natasha. Clint is the obvious choice for a bandit. Don't know why they didn't include him.
@@lexramstudios1386 yes, the incursion was Cap coming back in time (from an other dimension) and messing up the continuum, the result of the incursion would've been the "time pocket", I think 👍
Thy ..can't wait for part duce . ..the peeps that can interact with The Watcher · is a mystery i've been trying to understand.. great "takes" on what may be going on ..!!! ~
Yea i do think sometimes you reach a lot, especially with this storytelling nartive. That's is something that you interpreted it wasnt something that was very mention in Loki
omg 10/10, this episode was an emotional rollercoaster, a crazy joyride in the world of Marvel 1602, just dripping with easter eggs straight across the blank canvas! glad paying attention somewhat to Shakespeare in English is helping with easter eggs in this one!
Other than to parallel the comic storyline, why do you think Steve Rogers hitting the Time Stone transported everyone to 1602 in particular? Do you think I’m reaching with the theory that Loki picked it to return to the era of Shakespeare?
Definitely reaching.
He probably visited earth around that time as a kid and watched theater.
i remember sheldon mentioning 1602 in tbbt but that its been about mutants send back in time and that everyone thought their witches
If everyone was transported to 1602, why was Steve the only one the time stone called out? The rifts were being caused because he was the anomaly, much like the spiderman ones.
Not reaching. Quite loved that perspective actually.
The way Loki keeps talking about plays, I'm of the belief that he's the secret ghost writer for Shakespeare. He doth project too much his admiration.
I head canon this now ty
That would be interesting. I mean if he could be cooper
I was so happy to see Wanda again. Just for a short time. I also loved seeing Thor and Hela having good relationship.
I do wonder how Thor & Hela have a good relationship here
One of my favorite parts of this episode was Jon Favreau clearly having the time of his life with Hogan's over-the-top Elizabethan pomposity.
Facts
Loving him in What If
I love how halfway through the fight, Happy's non-stop talking pissed off Hulk more that than the violence of the fight itself.
I was especially glad to see our jacked Steve Rogers almost pair up and fight side by side with jacked Peggy Carter.
Yes!
you could say they were
a Jacked Union
Best part was the scene Thor being more of a Drama Queen than Loki
And Loki was flattered
And loki be like : Bless💅🤣
Surprised it wasn't mentioned that Tom Hiddleston has played Hamlet, in a production where he was directed by Thor director Kenneth Branagh (who has also done his own Hamlet). Branagh actually recommended Hiddleston to audition for Thor because they'd been in a stage play together before.
I honestly cant believe that they didnt include Hawkeye in this episode it is the perfect time period for him to be represented in, they could have easily slotted him in as one of Rogers' merry men
Would be odd for the person known for his archery have to take a backseat to Robin Hood
Bucky mentions him when he's shooting at Happy - "Barton sends his regards". I took that as perhaps Hawkeye had been killed by Happy sometime beforehand. Maybe Rogers took over as their leader?
@@laundrybfunky He says Barnes not Barton
@@nanayawagyei9424 Ooohh that makes way more sense, thanks
Hard disagree.
I REALLY LOVED the fact that all the voices are w/the characters. Really wish Chris Evans & Rob Downy voiced their parts. The ones doin em tho are doin an amazin job…
Captain Carter was unfairly blamed by Thor for what happened to Hela. Peggy was essentially kidnapped by Wanda to help their reality. Peggy's not magical.
My exact thoughts this entire episode. What tf did they expect a goddamn super soldier with no kind of magical abilities whatsoever to do in the first place?
When it comes to Thor, he isn't usually the brightest of the bunch...
@@rodericklep2858 that's just for the female captain America to shine, no other reason.
@@aewenfuin668 fish out of water kind of person.
I feel like that was the point tho, the point is that it's unfair
6:28 but I think that the reason why Peggy is aware of The Watcher is actually due to the fact that the two of them interacted last season had has nothing to do with Infinity Ultron becoming aware of The Watcher in season one
I don't think he's saying that the reason Peggy sees the Watcher is the same reason Ultron Infinity did. He's just saying that Peggy sees the Watcher, just like Ultron Infinity saw him, just like Strange Supreme sees him, all three for different reasons.
I would really love for a sequel of 1602 ,but with fantastic four, and mutants to be included.
Gimme
YES!
I love that so many actors are returning to voice their characters!
Really just makes the series even more cherished
I like how Loki went to support Wanda at the end. Two sorcerers who have given everything. Made me wonder what their relationship was.
THISSS
6:46 I think the Watcher meant he’s seen millions of universes perish.
hes definitely referring to that
He says I’ve watched millions fade right after saying worlds die every day, he’s absolutely talking about millions of worlds
I like how they payed off hulk fighting hulk hogan from the last episode.
That character will forever be Hulk Hogan
@@seanj3667its actually The Freak from the comics but yea Hulk Hogan absolutely should be the mcu name lmao
I liked that Loki wasn't an antagonist in this episode. It seemed like he was in on the plan, thus him not joining the fight and then protecting Wanda
Was it just me who saw that there was a scene where loki held Wanda and like they had a moment or something but it was really great seeing Wanda in a better place mentally ❤
I loved that.
My head cannon is that the Christmas episode was fused with 1602 and that's why Hogan turns into the freak
That’s mine as well, there were no details saying it couldn’t be
Yeah, it’s entirely possible that the Infinity War battle that created this 1602 reality was in the same universe as the Christmas episode with Hulk Hogan
you know the comic has Queen Elizabeth I, and this episode has Hela as queen. which is played by cate Blanchett who also play Queen elizabeth I . :D
I definitely loved this episode. Just to the Avengers living in a different time period was surreal.
I absolutely loved this episode! I understand this is only an adaptation of the 1602 comics in name for the most part but this proved to be incredible proof of concept episode in my opinion. Keeping it grounded in the established MCU while giving you that 1602 twist worked really will in my opinion! It was awesome to see our heroes and what they could have been if they were from a different era. Like almost every episode my only real issue was it was way too short because these ideas are so good and executed so well I wish we got more time with them like a full length television series or movie but nevertheless I really loved this episode! 9.5/10!
Excellent
Definitely my favorite episode right there with avengers formed in 1980’s
For a second I thought it was Doom too. Gave me a heart attack.
Same thought
Exactly I got excited for no reason 😅
I absolutely love this episode easily, my favorite what if episode I really cannot wait to see more of agent Carter because Haley Atwell is killing it!
Loki: I have wasted time and now the time doth waste me.
I think he got wasted with Tony and that's how he misplaced Mjolnir.
This may be my inner Neil Gaiman fan reaching, but I think Scott's mention of the dance macabre at 12:57 is a smaller, subtle Gaiman reference to his Hugo Award and Newbery Medal winning novel The Graveyard Book, published 5 years after his 1602 run, which contains a chapter focusing on the town and graveyard's celebration of the dance macabre. Might be reaching though.
very much enjoyed this episode. peggy carter is definitely one of my favorites from the studio.
I want to see a Captain Carter/Natasha movie.
@@seanj3667Yes!!
16:21 if everyone else is also displaced to 1602, why aren't they forerunners too? The fact that Steve is the only one that's glowing as the forerunner means that everyone else is created there in 1602, like in the comics
I think it’s because of the fact that while everyone was sent back, Steve was the one who inadvertently sent them back
@@collierlandry1631 back home or back to 1602?
In my interpretation, he was the incursion point or whatever you wanna label it and so when he was returned, that branch pruned itself and alternate events happened. Maybe even someone else was ruling, who knows how it changed, but nothing was left except the castle so Carter moved on.
@@nailinthefashion getting NWH vibes here
They are from that universe. Steve and Peggy are the only ones that aren't. Idk why people think they're all from 2018. Nothing here suggests otherwise
Also Loki playing Hamlet is fitting because Hamlet is based on a scandinavian legend
A great misdirect for the episode is Happy being the Freak in this reality because I bet most of us were only introduced to the idea back in this season’s Christmas episode.
It makes me wonder what their plans are for Captain America 4 or whatever. If this is to test run his design later, I'm "happy" with it
I happened to not be looking at the screen while he turned purple so at the finale when he did it was such a pleasant surprise
What makes that a misdirect?
i don't get why people thought it dr. doom when he hears before the reveal you can tell its mark Ruffalo voice underneath it
THANK YOU JESSICA! We appreciate your hard work and we all want you to rest and heal
Carter is so much better than cap. But hulk hogan needs to be a thing now
for only simps but for neutral cap was worthy, leader and a good human.
Interesting thought: Maybe the 1602 universe is what happened during the Infinity War of the universe of Episode 3 this season, and that’s why Happy turns into the Freak here, too.
That’s what I’ve been thinking this whole time
...and Hiddleston, being a British Theatre actor, actually played Hamlet in 2017 directed by... Kenneth Branagh
I want to know how do they explain the shrinking aspect of antman and the yellow jackets in that era? Nobody seemed impressed
My favourite episode so far
What if Loki is Shakespear in this universe?
Considering MCU Loki comes from previous Shakespearean (and tv) collaborations between Brannagh and Hiddleston, this is a nice nod. Without that casting choice I doubt Loki would have played such an important role in the MCU.
rogers was dressed in green it couldnt have been more obvious lol
Bucky and Scott need to be paired together more
I like to think that Steve hit the time stone disappeared distracting Thanos and then Thor actually managed to kill Thanos while he was distracted
Wanda carried this episode, as is usual with Elizabeth's acting!
Hela also seemingly died before 2018 meaning if Loki did this, meaning he also brought back his and Thor’s sister.
The only person here from 2018 is Rogers...
If you’re not first you’re last
Holy Sh! I had no idea Neil Gaiman wrote the 1602 comics. Guess what I'm reading today.
This was probably my favorite episode of the season (and I've seen the last one as I write this). Good fun all around.
I hope they tease X-Men 97 at the end of the finale.
That would be too much. But I still want it. MUTANTS AND MAGIC BABYYYYYY
It would be good if Marvel would use the blast from Thanos’ use of the stones as a reason why some people become mutants. Even those who were born since the snap. They would be teenagers now which is perfect for the time mutants to gain their powers. It would explain why mutants didn’t intervene in the battle with Thanos and The possibilities would be endless.
Something I kept thinking about this whole episode was: why is Steve big if this was during a time before the super soldier serum could've been created? The answer was in front of me the whole time...
I know the same argument could be made for the hulk but it could've been explained away as 1602 bruce could've gotten gamma poisoning from a different source. The super soldier serum has a VERY specific formula.
Exactly, I had so many questions. Tho the finale explained it.
Yeah they just let Jon Favreau run with his dialogue! I’d love to see the behind the scenes!
6.40 when watcher says "Worlds die every day. I have seen millions fade away."
I think he is talking about millions of worlds fading away. If he saw atleast 1 world die every day, he is atleast 2700 years old.
Or older. What is his age EV
Sometimes this channel notices a detail i did but for a surprisingly different reason like I loved how Uatu is like ‘billions day every day b, this one too’ and Peggy is like “not on my watch” because on Uatu is an inactive watcher like a 3rd person observer
jon favreau was having the time of his life in this episode 😂
Erick: I’m on fraternity leave, but I’m here for that overtime.
Do they reference the fact that Captain Carter’s Union Jack shield is a flag designed in 1606 in reaction to something that happened in 1603?
Just watching it now.
Nope. I was surprised
Not exactly but he talks about the flag
15:34
You almost got me there
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I’m a little surprised Hawkeye isn’t Robin Hood.
This season ain't even close to the first season. The Watcher ain't picking the best stories to tell. I would love to see MCU Loki telling stories while sitting on his Throne.
This episode was awesome probably my favorite this season love see all the avengers variance in 1602 cant wait to see what in store for us tomorrow in the finale.
This season is a bit of a letdown
If ever there was a way to have a Marvel/DC crossover in an organic way, this was it. I we got a quick shot of Shakespeare hanging out with Morpheus in the background, it would not have been out of place.
The helmet in the background of Tony's laboratorium is a barbute, a common helmet style of the 15th century. These were the helmet style upon which the Mandalorian's helmet is base, not the other way around.
6:40 I'm pretty sure he meant millions of worlds, not people. Y'know, given that's the context from the very previous sentence
Back to the future is 40 years old, definitely not "modern pop culture"
Yeah, 90% of the stuff on his Deep Dive channel is all old movies too.
The Helmet in Stark’s “lab” is from “The Rocketeer”. Another Disney past and upcoming property.
When Tony mentioned thieves I thought it was either going to be Clint or Natasha. Clint is the obvious choice for a bandit. Don't know why they didn't include him.
Thor's crown in this is very similar to the magic crown he gets from Strange Supreme when he gives them armor in Season 1 Episode 9.
This episode was great. My wife and I loved it.
YES! I was not the only one to think Doom!
Awesome episode❤
*He meant millions of worlds, not people*
I was excited to see the Tower of London!
When I saw the mask I thought that is Doctor doom I was so crazy and excited after all it was Hulk 😢
Feel better Jessica!
What if the 21 century components of this universe is the same universe from the christmas episode,
First
WHY NO HAWKEYE, HE FITS IN THAT TIME PERIOD MORE THAN ANY EXCEPT THE WITCH MAYBE..
The shield that Steve Hood has in the final fight is also the same shape as the shields that he gets in Wakanda (Wakanada-HeHeHE)
Scott Lang was hilarious in this episode
Get better Jessica!! ❤❤ take them meds! And now I have to go watch the Loki finale again because I too am obsessed! 😁
11:37 The MCU has neutered the Red Skull so much it’s kinda sad.
Nice to see the hulk be the hulk lol. Hopefully he gets more of a story in season 3 or 4
I think he meant millions of worlds, not beings.
Time travel does whatever shit the writers want it to with no consistency, no laws, no sense.
I thought of it as a "Temporal Pocket" like a 'pocket dimension' for time.
I thought this was an incursion
@@lexramstudios1386 yes, the incursion was Cap coming back in time (from an other dimension) and messing up the continuum, the result of the incursion would've been the "time pocket", I think 👍
2 thousand views in less then 8 min... damm
I'm a cheeseburger. Also i can't wait to see the real life what ifs you guys are cooking up
Thy ..can't wait for part duce .
..the peeps that can interact with The Watcher · is a mystery i've been trying to understand.. great "takes" on what may be going on ..!!! ~
Yea i do think sometimes you reach a lot, especially with this storytelling nartive. That's is something that you interpreted it wasnt something that was very mention in Loki
Ooga Booga
08:04 Why do these leftists act like clowns? 😠
Damn that twist have me wonder what Thanos and his army would looks like in medieval time
I believe the Watcher was referencing million of universes have died, not people.
mother wanda ate them lil 5 minutes down. 😭‼️
When the watcher said millions. I also instantly thought why not billions or trillions
Bc its not season 3 or 4 yet
He's probably trying to simplify it to Peggy.
omg 10/10, this episode was an emotional rollercoaster, a crazy joyride in the world of Marvel 1602, just dripping with easter eggs straight across the blank canvas! glad paying attention somewhat to Shakespeare in English is helping with easter eggs in this one!
Get well soon Jessica!
Whoever writes these scripts really likes the word “interesting”
I'm also convinced that Rogers Hood looks way too similar to Soldier Boy to be a coincidence