The part of this that I can't get over is that he made a 7 WITH two incredible breaks. The first being the drive pushed so far left that he missed the burn and the second hitting the wall of the burn and bouncing back into play.
He had two really bad shots out of the hay. That cost him 2 strokes. He had the balls to hit a driver and a 2 iron, but he´d got his breeches full when it came to pitching.
I remember watching this live and my feelings of sorrow for Jean are still there. An awful thing to have to go through, with the entire world watching.
Not really. He didnt think he could win. Just like Mcilroy's final rounds when he has no chance. If Van De Velde pars 18 and wins by three, zero people remember Laurie's round.
Peter Alliss's audible cringe is what MAKES this clip. He more or less saw it coming because Jean had been playing the whole tournament with bravado, and #18 at Carnoustie with a three stroke lead is NOT where you want to use bravado. You can tell how much Peter hates the fact that he's been proven right.
If those stands were not there for the tournament, he would have won. Even if the stands were there and his ball had gone into the stands, he would have gotten a drop and would have won. If his ball bounced off the stands and into the burn, he would have taken his drop and then had three shots to get down for the win. Besides extremely poor decision making his ball hitting that railing doomed him.
Second shot is what killed him. All he had to do was lay up from there and win the tournament easily. At his level it shouldnt have been such a struggle. All the work was done and just made terrible decisions aftter his drive.....no more or no less, thats how I see it.
The first two shots waren´t that bad. Wrong decision for both of them, no question about it. But he hit them quite good on the clubface, he just blocked them, so both went far right. I think what really "killed" him was the two weak shots out of the hay. Peter Alliss saw it right - he didn´t accelerate through. Two week shots in a row when it came to pitching.
Cringeworthy to watch 23 years on. I’m an extremely average 18 handicapper but even I’d fancy my chances to just take 6. Of course the circumstances do silly things to people.
You can tell who knows golf and who was fooled by what happened. Van de Velde neither choked nor collapsed. Wake up and watch the video. All during the last round he had been teeing it high and letting it fly, holding nothing back, swinging with abandon. He was going with what got him so far into the lead, and it was working for him, and sportsman that he is, he wasn't going to change and start playing defensively on the last hole. He was very lucky his pushed drive stayed dry, it was another full out swing with no attempt to take anything off of it for the sake of control. Then, sadly, his luck ran out a bit. Playing another full shot he flew it OVER the water into the stands and proceeded to get the worst break in the history of golf, hitting a metal piece in the stands that caromed the ball back across the water and into grass as long as any on the course. In a valiant effort to go for the green, there really wasn't anywhere to play safe, he couldn't get any club on the ball and it went in the water. There was no choke and no collapse. This is confirmed by the fact that he made a great up and down from the bunker to get in the playoff. Anyone who was choking or collapsing would NOT have been able to do that. It was the very unfortunate bounce off the stands that cost him dearly, not any choking or collapsing. His style of play (see Phil Mickelson at Winged Foot 2006) simply caught up with him through an incredibly bad break on the 72nd hole.
I love when people tell others how much they know by telling them how wrong they are :/ One man's worst break in history is one man's holy crap that hit the stone around the burn, how lucky he was to not have gone in the burn there. Peter Alliss forgot more about golf than you'll ever know. His breakdown of each shot and his absolute disbelief at each of them tells you that this was a choke and a collapse. Stop it.
He was careless. That always comes to bite you in the majors. Absolutely no sense to go for the green in 2, from where he was, with a long iron, with OB on the left, the creek etc. Lays up and the Open is his. Lucky on the tee shot but that was ultimately his demise.
You come across quite naive and foolish in stating these things with such certainty, saying him making the up and down and then putt proves he didn't choke is egregious. You say the unlucky break is what cost him rather than choking? How about the pure RIDICULOUS luck he got on his tee shot that saved him? After that tee shot he 99% of the time would have been in the water. His bad play had already started before the "unluckly bounce" you claim to have caused his downfall. You literally cannot state that he didn't choke because he made the bunker shot and putt, the whole premise you base your argument on is invalid, do you actually have any evidence to suggest or prove that this is the case? Because it could equally be argued that the ONLY good shot he played on the whole, which was an easy straight put - so even if choking would have been hard to miss - was only made because he was no longer feeling the effects of pressure as much as before - having lost out on the chance to win outright before a playoff. Of course he would have felt pressure when needing to sink a putt to make a 3 way play off, but it can be argued that the chance to win the tournament outright (which was the case on ALL of his previous shots on that hole) would have induced and created more pressure, thus releasing said pressure once this opportunity was gone, hence him making the putt as he was under less pressure on that shot than any previous shot on the 18th. I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying that there are lots of possibilities and it's very immature to act like you know it all when your knowledge of sports psychology is embarrassing.
He did get an awful break with his ball caroming backwards off the grandstand. Usually the ball would have just stayed up in there, or ended up in a position where he couldn’t swing because the grandstand was in the way and then he would have been able to pitch from the drop zone near the green. However he obviously should have hit an iron off the tee and another iron for his second shot to make sure he stayed short of the water and then hit a wedge onto the green. I’m not sure how long the hole was playing that day but he probably could have hit two 7 irons and a wedge, or maybe teed off with a 6 iron, then hit a 7 iron and then hit a wedge onto the green.
The part of this that I can't get over is that he made a 7 WITH two incredible breaks. The first being the drive pushed so far left that he missed the burn and the second hitting the wall of the burn and bouncing back into play.
He had two really bad shots out of the hay. That cost him 2 strokes. He had the balls to hit a driver and a 2 iron, but he´d got his breeches full when it came to pitching.
Taken me 23 years to watch it again. The most excruciating sporting moment ever. How pressure can scramble the brain.
This is still excruciating to watch. Why would you want to me immortalised like this??
I remember watching this live and my feelings of sorrow for Jean are still there. An awful thing to have to go through, with the entire world watching.
Same here. But what was he thinking
@@richlewis1879 his caddy must take some blame as well.
Same, I livein Malaysia, is in the morning very early when I watch this I was absoluty stud by this
He's too dumb to feel any shame. Same with his caddie.
Paul Lawrie shot one of the best rounds in the history of golf in the final round
Yea but nobody cares about that unfortunately
Not really. He didnt think he could win. Just like Mcilroy's final rounds when he has no chance. If Van De Velde pars 18 and wins by three, zero people remember Laurie's round.
Remember watching this. Just couldn’t understand what I was seeing.
Hopefully Paul sends a gift to Jean every year during open week
Peter Alliss's audible cringe is what MAKES this clip. He more or less saw it coming because Jean had been playing the whole tournament with bravado, and #18 at Carnoustie with a three stroke lead is NOT where you want to use bravado. You can tell how much Peter hates the fact that he's been proven right.
Sadly missed RIP Peter
7 iron 7 iron wedge 3 putt win. I feel bad for the dude but god it was so easy I probably could have closed it out.
Caddies fault bad caddy
Just classic
Pumping his fist after a triple?? Jeez.
Almost feels like he thought he won.....and the menacing look he gave was also weird. A snarl of sorts.
Almost anyone else would have hit a shot iron into the fairway for his second shot
If those stands were not there for the tournament, he would have won. Even if the stands were there and his ball had gone into the stands, he would have gotten a drop and would have won. If his ball bounced off the stands and into the burn, he would have taken his drop and then had three shots to get down for the win. Besides extremely poor decision making his ball hitting that railing doomed him.
Even after the luck of the driver, he still made triple LOL
He almost hit his drive in the water because he had too much club... This is why you pay your caddy the big bucks... he should have taken over
Who’s here after rory?
I think if his tee shot found the water, he probably lays up with his 3rd, wedges it on and 2 putts to win
That’s a good bet.
He wins if the second shot had gone into the Burn.
Painful.
Second shot is what killed him. All he had to do was lay up from there and win the tournament easily. At his level it shouldnt have been such a struggle. All the work was done and just made terrible decisions aftter his drive.....no more or no less, thats how I see it.
The first two shots waren´t that bad. Wrong decision for both of them, no question about it. But he hit them quite good on the clubface, he just blocked them, so both went far right. I think what really "killed" him was the two weak shots out of the hay. Peter Alliss saw it right - he didn´t accelerate through. Two week shots in a row when it came to pitching.
Cringeworthy to watch 23 years on. I’m an extremely average 18 handicapper but even I’d fancy my chances to just take 6. Of course the circumstances do silly things to people.
Oopsie
Biggest choke known to professional golf 😂🤣
You can tell who knows golf and who was fooled by what happened. Van de Velde neither choked nor collapsed. Wake up and watch the video. All during the last round he had been teeing it high and letting it fly, holding nothing back, swinging with abandon. He was going with what got him so far into the lead, and it was working for him, and sportsman that he is, he wasn't going to change and start playing defensively on the last hole. He was very lucky his pushed drive stayed dry, it was another full out swing with no attempt to take anything off of it for the sake of control. Then, sadly, his luck ran out a bit. Playing another full shot he flew it OVER the water into the stands and proceeded to get the worst break in the history of golf, hitting a metal piece in the stands that caromed the ball back across the water and into grass as long as any on the course. In a valiant effort to go for the green, there really wasn't anywhere to play safe, he couldn't get any club on the ball and it went in the water. There was no choke and no collapse. This is confirmed by the fact that he made a great up and down from the bunker to get in the playoff. Anyone who was choking or collapsing would NOT have been able to do that. It was the very unfortunate bounce off the stands that cost him dearly, not any choking or collapsing. His style of play (see Phil Mickelson at Winged Foot 2006) simply caught up with him through an incredibly bad break on the 72nd hole.
I love when people tell others how much they know by telling them how wrong they are :/ One man's worst break in history is one man's holy crap that hit the stone around the burn, how lucky he was to not have gone in the burn there. Peter Alliss forgot more about golf than you'll ever know. His breakdown of each shot and his absolute disbelief at each of them tells you that this was a choke and a collapse. Stop it.
He was careless. That always comes to bite you in the majors. Absolutely no sense to go for the green in 2, from where he was, with a long iron, with OB on the left, the creek etc. Lays up and the Open is his. Lucky on the tee shot but that was ultimately his demise.
You come across quite naive and foolish in stating these things with such certainty, saying him making the up and down and then putt proves he didn't choke is egregious. You say the unlucky break is what cost him rather than choking? How about the pure RIDICULOUS luck he got on his tee shot that saved him? After that tee shot he 99% of the time would have been in the water. His bad play had already started before the "unluckly bounce" you claim to have caused his downfall.
You literally cannot state that he didn't choke because he made the bunker shot and putt, the whole premise you base your argument on is invalid, do you actually have any evidence to suggest or prove that this is the case? Because it could equally be argued that the ONLY good shot he played on the whole, which was an easy straight put - so even if choking would have been hard to miss - was only made because he was no longer feeling the effects of pressure as much as before - having lost out on the chance to win outright before a playoff. Of course he would have felt pressure when needing to sink a putt to make a 3 way play off, but it can be argued that the chance to win the tournament outright (which was the case on ALL of his previous shots on that hole) would have induced and created more pressure, thus releasing said pressure once this opportunity was gone, hence him making the putt as he was under less pressure on that shot than any previous shot on the 18th.
I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying that there are lots of possibilities and it's very immature to act like you know it all when your knowledge of sports psychology is embarrassing.
When you make bad decision after bad decision, that is a choke.
He did get an awful break with his ball caroming backwards off the grandstand. Usually the ball would have just stayed up in there, or ended up in a position where he couldn’t swing because the grandstand was in the way and then he would have been able to pitch from the drop zone near the green. However he obviously should have hit an iron off the tee and another iron for his second shot to make sure he stayed short of the water and then hit a wedge onto the green. I’m not sure how long the hole was playing that day but he probably could have hit two 7 irons and a wedge, or maybe teed off with a 6 iron, then hit a 7 iron and then hit a wedge onto the green.
It's all part of the French curse.
Let's give them another million years until they win a major in golf..