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These parents are the perfect example of people who don’t believe in mental health, they completely failed their son. I’m so glad they’re being held responsible for their negligence.
Y’all are acting like counseling with have prevented this. We don’t know that, and the day of the shooting even the teacher didn’t see him as a danger to others.
People keep saying that the parents are being held accountable for what their son did. That’s not the way I see it. They are being held accountable for their own behavior.
I agree with you. But if more kids think that their parents will be held accountable for something their kids might do - it may help deter kids from doing this. As kids, we don't tell our parents everything. So I don't believe all parents are responsible. But I think they should be investigated either way in these cases.
It breaks my heart that the shooter begged for help and expressed that he was in pain and his parents laughed and told him to suck it up. My child started showing signs of depression in puberty, and I immediately got him into a therapist. I was a single mother without insurance, but i found a way. Wonder how the parents feel knowing the whole world know what horrible, selfish, ignorant parents they are?
My sister in law decided to mock her teen daughter, her dad and step mom got her help, and she wound up in a situation at school that she convinced cps and her school admin that her Mom is cruel and she was not safe to herself at my Brother & SIL house. Now I haven't seen her in 5 months, but I know she isn't hurting herself, is receiving therapy, isn't being bullied at home, and her grades have improved, and she has eliminated toxic friends. ❤ I think about her everyday. My parents were my first and continuous bullies, they made sure that my little brother knew that was expected. And if I spoke up or defended myself, denial, retaliation, vindictive punishment and oppressive rules.
my mom is a single mother. we grew up poor, but she also always found a way to get us health care, counseling, therapy, anything that was a necessity. I don't know how she did it, but I have so much respect for her, and all single parents that aren't living a life of luxury.
They aren't being held accountable for their sons actions. They are accountable for not securing the weapon, which is a law. Yes, they are both guilty.
i bet this never would have happened if they had just taken him to a psychiatrist when he first asked for help smh getting him a gun was such an insane decision
I can't imagine the whole country knowing what an utter failure of a parent you allowed yourself to become. This is just all around awful. RIP to the 4 innocent souls ❤
I would daresay 5 innocent souls, the shooter was a mentally ill person who sought for help, I'm glad both parents are being held accountable for their horrible parenting.
They were too busy ignoring him and his issues . Why didn’t they take him to a doctor when he asked to go? Super disgusting parents. Nathan gets arrested and they run and leave him to fend for himself.
Today I saw a few texts where he told his friend he told his dad he wanted to go to dr and dad said suck it up. His mom laughed at him supposedly. Another text stream he said he was going to talk to his parents again but we dont know if he did. He also considered taking himself to the hospital his texts mentioned.
@@jacquelineodonnell1828Here’s the thing - a lot of it is hear say, so your point is valid. However, the text messages between James and Jennifer the day it happened proves they knew something. She got a call from the school and texted him saying she was “concerned”!!! Big red flag! Yet neither felt compelled to take their son home that day after seeing disturbing drawings etc. THIS IS KNOWLEDGE - THIS IS BEING AWARE! IT WAS SPELLED OUT LITERALLY - what other proof is needed?
My son, as do I, have severe mental health issues. My son has only posed a danger to himself. But I pay extra attention to him, moods, etc etc etc. You HAVE TO. And definitely not have a gun handy. Absolutely not
You don’t know if he would kill kids at school and himself from some hidden anger issue like this crumbley kid!!! He is hiding his real motive for this shooting! The judge knows! Is why he got stiff sentence and no parole!
@@Juke582 you are being harsh and judgmental to @cail171. It sounds like this parent unlike the Crumbleys is paying attention to and supporting their child!
Broke a lot of laws! Lied on his gun application about not buying the gun for someone else, letting a under age 18 kid have full access to a loaded gun, and never locked it to prevent access to a child under 18!!! He is guilty as heck and will get a stiffer sentence than the wife!
@@KarenWelling-m1h Probably correct. But it was alledged via Jennifer's trial that she hadn't added Nathan to her insurance when her husband lost his job. Also that she spent about $20,000 on her horses. So, I think they could have but had different priorities.
telling anyone, ESPECIALLY a CHILD, who is experiencing early sighs of schizophrenia with violent urges and begging for help to "suck it up" is absolutely unhinged
@wolfe6220 You are so ignorant. What does science have to do with it. A psychiatrist did his research. What part of science has to do with mental illness. This is why Americans are getting dumber. Lack of education.
I just can’t get over the fact that Jennifer and James spent $20K on their horse over the course of a year or something, but didn’t even have health insurance for their son.
I will never not believe she was hopping Ethan would kill himself. I don't even think she cared if he took others with him as long as it wasnt her. she didnt get what she wanted and tried to twist it to the very end, but she wasnt prepared for the "you are not the victim here" to be played
Why does everyone blame his mother not his father? Both parents are equally responsible. Dad probably spent his cash on guns, alcohol, and corn or 0n1yfans. Why didn't dad put Ethan on this on insurance? Male child terrorizes school, but you all find a woman to blame? If mom is to blame, so is dad.
@TxHoneyBee I agree. Too many times, fathers get credit for simply being present in the home while they simultaneously do nothing to help parent their children.
I agree with you, they're culpable in my opinion, if they had given him the help he begged for, if they'd shown him he was valued , then he may not have gone to such an extreme
My father is a defense lawyer, whoms basement I live in so I am not an expert but he does not agree with this precedent. In lieu of paying rent i have to hear ranting and raving but I've come to agree with him This is not a case of are they good parents - they are terrible parents, being a terrible parent should not be a crime. Hindsight is 20/20 too. The perp was charged and convicted as an adult - this means he knew the impact this would have on the victims and the community, he appreciated the consequences. He knew he was gonna shoot up the school, get arrested and get a life sentence. He did. The state wants you to believe that failure to act is not only negligence but CRIMINAL negligence - you buy your kid a gun you're criminally liable for the school shooting. IDK this seems to be a big circlejerk knee jerk thing with people not really thinking about the long term consequences.
@@ManWithUhDreamthe problem with your viewpoint is that The Crumblies didn’t just fail to act; they performed actions that could foreseeably lead to a school shooting.
@@ManWithUhDream does your dad who is a lawyer whoms basement you live in - complete ignore all law and legal precedence regarding over serving alcohol too? Because these parents over-served a firearm to someone who shouldn’t have had one
How are you going to go home when you hear about an active shooter unless you knew it was probably your kid with the gun you bought him? Wouldn't you go to the school first if you knew it wasn't your kid?
The parents were called to the school because of the drawings their kid was making. They refused to take him home and left him at school even when the drawing had a picture of the gun and said. "help me".
@@suzanne9150 Right the" help me' part is what I am tripping on. The school officials and the parents just ignored it and the parents doubly so because they had far more information about it. Everyone in the trial harped on the gun but the 'help me' went ignored. Im not a therapist or councelor but I feel like that warrants a longer meeting then ten minutes.
@@jamesryan8513so according to the school counselor's testimony, after seeing the drawing he immediately pulled ethan out of class and kept him in his office all morning, for about two to three hours. he hung out with ethan until his parents arrived. in the meeting, the counselor told the crumbleys ethan needed to see a mental health professional within the next 48 hours, and he would be following up to make sure that happened. also in the meeting, jennifer and james did not disclose to the counselor that ethan had a gun at home. after that short meeting, ethan swore he didn't want to go home, he wanted to stay at school. counselor released him because it was almost lunchtime. i believe firmly that had they told the counselor ethan had a gun at home, school staff would have searched ethan's backpack, where they would immediately see a gun.
The defense attorney says, "Why would he (the father) do anything differently?" Are you kidding me?! The school informed the parents of the very disturbing drawing and they knew their son had a gun!!!
They bought him a gun for Xmas. They were shown the drawings he made in the classroom featuring that very gun, yet they stayed mum and let him stay back at school. For lack of a better word, that showed their passive homicidal intention. Aiding and abetting the school shooting.
Knowing the timeline of James on that awful day makes me more angry. They ignored their kids cries for help, ignored the school, & he went back to door dashing? then they ran & hid in a warehouse after their son was arrested. Abandoning him again to save their own a$$es. He’ll get more time than his wife for sure-he’s more culpable, he bought the gun,took him to the range & then failed to secure it.
I think the judge will add something to the sentence that the wife is gonna get when it's time to sentence the husband. Let's say James will get some extra bonus...
It's about time that parents are held responsible for their children. We are not rabbits to breed and walk away. Don't have children if you don't want the responsibility.
@@karlydocI don’t think they did. The shop would have never sold him the gun. Paperwork is filled out where you state you are purchasing the firearm for yourself. He clearly lied on the form.
He's been caught twice pretending to cry, right after he was laughing with his attorney. He said 'oops,' and immediately put on sad dad face. He then continued wiping his eyes as they leave the courtroom, making sure cameras see him. Then watching him act like a petulant child when they took away his phone privileges because he was threatening people, sealed his fate with me. He's fake and he's not remorseful. He's a master manipulator. His attorney babying him, fixing his collar, playing whisper games, while he grins all sheepishly at her, is gross. And she keeps drawing attention to him to make sure the cameras see that she's all worried about his poor widdle FAKE feelers. UGH
I’m sorry, what lunatic dad buys their son a handgun, when he is obviously having some kind of mental health issue. He obviously didn’t care about his son, and even after his son asks for help, he tells him to just “suck it up”
I just think of all of the parents of students in that school who had firearms in their homes...how many of them raced home to check if any firearms were missing? He knew his son needed help, he knew things were off, and by racing home immediately after hearing of a shooting at the school, he knew his son was the shooter.
Yet they didn't take him home that day to talk to him and get him help when they had they chance and the knowledge of him crying out for help... he was crying out for help and they just didn't care.
IMO, they expected the kid to take himself out of the picture. Or at least, she did. Instead, this happened-further inconveniencing these two horrible uncaring ‘parents.’ A real pair of losers that are responsible for four deaths.
@@cail171 Right? I have gotten a similar impression from her... I'm studying psychology and seriously I couldn't help but feel that she has a psychopath/narcissistic personality. In her case, everything fits the portrait of psychopathy, even the fact that she cared more about the horses than about the kid (in short, psychopaths love animals/ hate people), etc. Of course, this is unimaginable for a normal person, but I wouldn't be surprised if she really counted on that she would get rid of the problem this way (if I'm not mistaken about her personality, the difficult child was, unfortunately, nothing more than an unnecessary burden for her).
The amount of missed opportunities to prevent this, just on the day that it occurred makes me nauseous. How both he and his wife fled the area on that very day speaks volumes and volumes.
They were treating their disturbed teenager like an adult friend. Took no resposability for his care. Not only Stuck their head in the sand but further enhanced problems by illegally buying him a gun.
If he didn’t think that his son was the shooter and heard that there’s a shooting at your son school why , didn’t go to the school to get pick up his child like all the other parents did, but he went home to look for the gun, he is guilty.
I think he needs to be held accountable. But I do think his tears are real. He's trying to hide them in fact. Totally opposite of the mom who didn't shed one tear and was not saddened, remorseful, or emotional on the stand.
This is absolutely heartbreaking to watch. Those lives lost, and those now left with lifelong traumas could have been saved if he had parents who gave af. I don't usually like to blame parents for their kids' actions in cases like this, but this one, they need to be held accountable.
Being a Doordash driver means he could have brought his son to work with him. Especially since he knew his struggling and the school suggested he be taken out of school. James Crumbley is guilty just like his son and wife.
I have to hold school responsible too. Im in Columbus Ohii. We have a ZERO TOLERANCE policy. If he were found wth those drawings he would have been expelled. KIDS AREN'T KIDS ANYMORE.
Their son's plea for help on several occasions, even going so far as asking to his father to please take him to a Doctor, fell not only on deaf ears but also disturbing disinterest in son's need for help with the cruel, "suck it up," and his mother laughing at him! He's screaming for help and his parents are only focused and concerned about themselves. They are guilty. His father will be found guilty, everything points to him covering his back after the school massacre along with his gross, negligence of first giving his son the gun and second not locking it in a secure place. They willfully ignored their son's mental illness for months before the tradgedy. Rest in peace the victims. Xxx❤❤
They had no interest in parenting him. They ignored him, gave him no love and knew he was weird and yet they bought him a gun. Why? Perhaps they thought he might use it to relieve them of the burden of his existence. I’m surprised they didn’t buy a life insurance policy on him. What utter dirtbags.
i feel so bad for their son, he knew he was dealing with mental illness and he tried SO HARD to get help but the only people who could help him decided to push him towards committing this atrocity. i really really hope he gets the mental healthcare he needs, because if they just leave him in prison without any help he is likely to act out again based on his hallucinations and delusions, and that helps nobody. he clearly doesnt want to act on these urges and he needs appropriate medical and psychological help to keep him stable
What Ethan did is horrible, but he was neglected , he seems taking responsibility from young age , he was even work ing part time at 14.Whatever crime be, I am wondering why his parents flee from the scene leaving their only child. It was very heartbreaking for me to watch Ethan sentencing life without paroul , no one to give him moral support . Praying for the victims that may all ur inner broken souls be healed and one day forgive Ethan which his own parents failed. Forgiveness sets us free. Praying also for Ethan that he meet Jesus in his journey and one one day he will get paroul.
At least the dad called 911 as soon as he realized the gun was missing. He acted as soon as he realized something was really wrong. But when your kid is asking to go to the doctor, you should listen.
That mans going down too Hes a nasty one Threatening witnesses on recorded line ? Hr has zero shame nor any sense I am convinced they knew their kid was really messed up Tortured, shot birds in yard And wrote fantasies of hurting kids, girls in an open journal found in kitchen
I believe the parents when they say they had no knowledge of his journal, at least. We know they had a pattern of leaving him home alone for hours after work/school multiple times a week, AND we know the mom had a pattern of telling everyone her business (like her infidelity at work, etc.). If she knew about the journal, the cops would’ve found a text or facebook msg in her phone about it 😂
They couldn't be bothered. That's why he ended up in this situation in the first place. He was totally neglected. Had nineteen cavities, spent hour upon hours by himself while the mom took care of horses and conducted a romantic extramarital affair.
Bad parents: "I shouldn't be held responsible for what my kids do. But I'll turn around and say don't come after my kid for anything that they do. I like to have my cake and eat it too."
If his father gets convicted, I bet the appeal for the son will be granted as a result of proven and 'convicted' negligent parents. If not his entire case being retried, I bet the life sentence will be reviewed.
Mental health is really tough and I don’t know that I think the son is entirely responsible himself especially if he’s reaching out to his parents and they’re not doing a thing about it just disregarding and almost shaming him and laughing in his face for needing help like what the literal you know what
The school officials, including the counselor, are equally responsible for not bothering to search the boy's backpack. Had they, those kids would be alive.
The problem I have with the justice system is that in both parents' trials the prosecution argues as a big part of their case that Ethan had serious mental health issues and needed help but in his trial the prosecution argues the opposite.
2:20 people keep saying he “stored the gun where the child had access” … THEY BOUGHT THE KID THE GUN AS A GIFT. That’s entirely different. They encouraged his psychotic behavior, “Hahaha! You’re not supposed to get caught [shopping for ammo on phone while in school]” They wanted to be his BFFs rather than PARENT him. Another sad outcome of people never maturing beyond teenaged mentality and going on to have kids.
Some people don't get it, if the parents had bought the kid a bicycle and he ran over someone, (no big deal) but the parents bought the kid a 9mm pistol, big difference here.
Your son had mental issues and you bought him a gun. Second, you never locked or hid the gun. Its a $10 lock supplied with the gun but you never even opened the package. Guilty!! Lock and hide the gun and those 4 students are alive today.
My boyfriend is a huge hunter and gun guy. He TAUGHT his son since he was a child to be RESPONSIBLE and CAREFUL with every gun. He KNEW his son could handle it. I would have trusted his son with a firearm at 17, zero question, if he needed to protect our home. These parents are 100% to blame. They KNEW their kid has serious issues, and their response is to BUY A GUN?! I have no words for the ignorance and irresponsibility. They are absolutely guilty.
A great example may be at first historically, parents being charged, but somebody ultimately must pay for it to be taken more seriously too much of this is happening
Yes, Jennifer Crumbley was annoyed. Right before she walked out of that meeting she asked "Are we done here?" I honestly think the judge should ask the exact same thing after they sentence her.
the school is also at fault..He drew pictures of guns and ammo in school and they didn't check his back pack..They could have stopped it. i'm not saying the parents aren't bad but all need to be accountable
If I recall correctly, the school tried to send him home to his parents. The school told the parents to get him medical and psychiatric help. They refused to take him. Its going to be hard to see what the school should have done differently. He hadn't done anything dangerous yet, pictures are not a crime, so they couldn't just hand him off to police. They can't provide additional in school mental health resources without the parent's consent. They could have searched his backpack every day when he got off the bus in theory, but they'd have no way of knowing when he got to school every day or if he had time to hide something... you get the picture. Even if the school system is liable, holding one individual person responsible outside of the shooter and parents will never happen. They did take steps to try to prevent this, unlike the parents.
If this child was hearing voices or knew that something was wrong and tried to reach out to anybody he is not fully in his right mind when he did this.
Does anyone else feel like the school should be held accountable for knowing Ethan was greatly disturbed and never even checked his back pack and person before keeping him at school that day? I do.
Normally, a parent's first reaction would be to frantically try to find out if their child is okay in an active shooter situation. His actions demonstrated that he immediately suspected his son of being the shooter. Having a trouble child is extremely difficult to deal. with. The Crumbleys contributed to their son's mental illness.
My son was younger than him when he had a rifle. It was kept in a gun safe. He was always a popular athletic kid who had no desire whatsoever to show it off or use it for any reason except when he was with his father at the hunting cabin. Even today as an adult he doesn’t get a thrill with hunting but he does enjoy the time away at the cabin with friends. The gun wasn’t the problem, but the parents sure were.
@@ThePathOfLeastResistanc Well, not much for cheese but it certainly helps when u make friends easily. I guess my point was he learned early on to have a friend u must be a friend. So, school was a place that he always enjoyed. As far as sports, I don’t think it matters but a child needs an interest. It helps to be in the band or on a team or participating in different clubs. Kids that are antisocial and have no interests other than showing up feel isolated. So, my point was not I have such a great kid…my point was I did my best to have him in activities that let him be the best version of himself. The last thing he would have wanted to do was hurt anyone. I feel for their child because he really had no one and when he asked for help they laughed. Hope that explains it better.
If any parents need convicted, it's these 2 self absorbed neglectful parents. Ethan never had a chance other than being a lost soul. It is so incredibly heat breaking he had to shatter so many lives.
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These parents are the perfect example of people who don’t believe in mental health, they completely failed their son. I’m so glad they’re being held responsible for their negligence.
So did the school
@@mistyedwards8940 did the school buy a 15 year old a gun?
they just didn't gaf. they're not amish.
@@mistyedwards8940 They told the parents to take him to a counselor and gave them resources.
Y’all are acting like counseling with have prevented this. We don’t know that, and the day of the shooting even the teacher didn’t see him as a danger to others.
People keep saying that the parents are being held accountable for what their son did. That’s not the way I see it. They are being held accountable for their own behavior.
I agree with you. But if more kids think that their parents will be held accountable for something their kids might do - it may help deter kids from doing this. As kids, we don't tell our parents everything. So I don't believe all parents are responsible. But I think they should be investigated either way in these cases.
And what behavior did they have? Was it criminal behavior?
They're being held accountable for their *lack of parenting*
@@jacksgl777 The prosecutor will answer that question in detail during the trial.
They seriously ignored the signs
But sociopathic parents are blind
It breaks my heart that the shooter begged for help and expressed that he was in pain and his parents laughed and told him to suck it up. My child started showing signs of depression in puberty, and I immediately got him into a therapist. I was a single mother without insurance, but i found a way. Wonder how the parents feel knowing the whole world know what horrible, selfish, ignorant parents they are?
Well, at least this dad feels some real and appropriate emotion about the whole thing, the mom, not so much a a tear.
My sister in law decided to mock her teen daughter, her dad and step mom got her help, and she wound up in a situation at school that she convinced cps and her school admin that her Mom is cruel and she was not safe to herself at my Brother & SIL house. Now I haven't seen her in 5 months, but I know she isn't hurting herself, is receiving therapy, isn't being bullied at home, and her grades have improved, and she has eliminated toxic friends. ❤ I think about her everyday.
My parents were my first and continuous bullies, they made sure that my little brother knew that was expected. And if I spoke up or defended myself, denial, retaliation, vindictive punishment and oppressive rules.
my mom is a single mother. we grew up poor, but she also always found a way to get us health care, counseling, therapy, anything that was a necessity. I don't know how she did it, but I have so much respect for her, and all single parents that aren't living a life of luxury.
Yes.
Good mom and I hope your child is better. My thoughts are that they couldn't careless what people think, they seem very narcissistic.
How incredibly cruel to deny your child help especially when they ask for it. How tragic…
It's about time terrible parents are being held accountable for their sh!tty kids behavior.
Worry about own sins. You have your own secrets don't you.
They aren't being held accountable for their sons actions. They are accountable for not securing the weapon, which is a law. Yes, they are both guilty.
@@M.M.7.sre you this kids dad
Most parents should be in jail then.
@@M.M.7. Sometimes when I get up in the middle of the night and have to go to the bathroom I pee sitting down.
That kid didn’t stand a chance in life with horrible parents like his.
To have Dad say "suck it up" and Mom laugh at the son who is asking for help, you're right, he didn't stand a chance! 🥺
Seriously and I thought the mom was bad…
i bet this never would have happened if they had just taken him to a psychiatrist when he first asked for help smh getting him a gun was such an insane decision
He’s not the only one brace yourselves
Ummmmm I disagree. He was taught by more than just his parents. He knew right from wrong.
I can't imagine the whole country knowing what an utter failure of a parent you allowed yourself to become. This is just all around awful. RIP to the 4 innocent souls ❤
I would daresay 5 innocent souls, the shooter was a mentally ill person who sought for help, I'm glad both parents are being held accountable for their horrible parenting.
They were too busy ignoring him and his issues . Why didn’t they take him to a doctor when he asked to go? Super disgusting parents. Nathan gets arrested and they run and leave him to fend for himself.
Is there proof that he told his parents of the things he was experiencing?
Today I saw a few texts where he told his friend he told his dad he wanted to go to dr and dad said suck it up. His mom laughed at him supposedly. Another text stream he said he was going to talk to his parents again but we dont know if he did. He also considered taking himself to the hospital his texts mentioned.
@@jacquelineodonnell1828…..yes, there are text messages to his mom but she thought he was clowning around or being overly dramatic.
Not only that, but they cleaned out his bank account before they ran.
@@jacquelineodonnell1828Here’s the thing - a lot of it is hear say, so your point is valid. However, the text messages between James and Jennifer the day it happened proves they knew something. She got a call from the school and texted him saying she was “concerned”!!! Big red flag! Yet neither felt compelled to take their son home that day after seeing disturbing drawings etc. THIS IS KNOWLEDGE - THIS IS BEING AWARE! IT WAS SPELLED OUT LITERALLY - what other proof is needed?
My son, as do I, have severe mental health issues. My son has only posed a danger to himself. But I pay extra attention to him, moods, etc etc etc. You HAVE TO. And definitely not have a gun handy. Absolutely not
You don’t know if he would kill kids at school and himself from some hidden anger issue like this crumbley kid!!! He is hiding his real motive for this shooting! The judge knows! Is why he got stiff sentence and no parole!
@@Juke582 you are being harsh and judgmental to @cail171. It sounds like this parent unlike the Crumbleys is paying attention to and supporting their child!
If you are someone who knows you have severe mental disorders, why do you then choose to have children?
wrong target bro dude man, you're gnarly comments belong to the Crumblys Dumbfk
This kid was definitely mentally disturbed. Why on earth would you ignore your child asking to see a doctor??!! I can’t imagine.
If his wife was convicted, he is guilty as well. He purchased the gun.
Broke a lot of laws! Lied on his gun application about not buying the gun for someone else, letting a under age 18 kid have full access to a loaded gun, and never locked it to prevent access to a child under 18!!! He is guilty as heck and will get a stiffer sentence than the wife!
Both of them sat down with school staff, refused to obtain counseling for their son, and neuther told staff they had bought him a gun.
@@lindafarnes486 Maybe the parents couldn’t afford a psychiatrist, they are very expensive.
@@KarenWelling-m1h Probably correct. But it was alledged via Jennifer's trial that she hadn't added Nathan to her insurance when her husband lost his job. Also that she spent about $20,000 on her horses. So, I think they could have but had different priorities.
Show trial #2 you mean...
telling anyone, ESPECIALLY a CHILD, who is experiencing early sighs of schizophrenia with violent urges and begging for help to "suck it up" is absolutely unhinged
Ugh its so strange that i feel bad for this kid. His parents werent fit to be parents.
Schizophrenia is when demons speak to you. Demons are what make people do bad stuff. Honestly, I feel bad for the parents.
@@laurenbendik2006 No one is a perfect parent nor a perfect human being. Everyone has faults. Including you.
@@M.M.7. oh please. Get out of the dark ages. We use science now.
@wolfe6220 You are so ignorant. What does science have to do with it. A psychiatrist did his research. What part of science has to do with mental illness. This is why Americans are getting dumber. Lack of education.
What horrible parents to dismiss and/or laugh at their kid’s request for help.
I just can’t get over the fact that Jennifer and James spent $20K on their horse over the course of a year or something, but didn’t even have health insurance for their son.
I will never not believe she was hopping Ethan would kill himself. I don't even think she cared if he took others with him as long as it wasnt her. she didnt get what she wanted and tried to twist it to the very end, but she wasnt prepared for the "you are not the victim here" to be played
And she and James have private lawyers and Ethan had public defender. Who does that???
Why does everyone blame his mother not his father? Both parents are equally responsible. Dad probably spent his cash on guns, alcohol, and corn or 0n1yfans. Why didn't dad put Ethan on this on insurance? Male child terrorizes school, but you all find a woman to blame? If mom is to blame, so is dad.
@@lynnsessler8196$hitty parents
@TxHoneyBee I agree. Too many times, fathers get credit for simply being present in the home while they simultaneously do nothing to help parent their children.
My Lord!!! Their son was pleading for help, those monsters, those absolute monsters.
I agree with you, they're culpable in my opinion, if they had given him the help he begged for, if they'd shown him he was valued , then he may not have gone to such an extreme
It’s absolutely egregious that the parents did not pay attention to their son. Especially on the day they met with school.
My father is a defense lawyer, whoms basement I live in so I am not an expert but he does not agree with this precedent. In lieu of paying rent i have to hear ranting and raving but I've come to agree with him
This is not a case of are they good parents - they are terrible parents, being a terrible parent should not be a crime. Hindsight is 20/20 too.
The perp was charged and convicted as an adult - this means he knew the impact this would have on the victims and the community, he appreciated the consequences. He knew he was gonna shoot up the school, get arrested and get a life sentence. He did.
The state wants you to believe that failure to act is not only negligence but CRIMINAL negligence - you buy your kid a gun you're criminally liable for the school shooting.
IDK this seems to be a big circlejerk knee jerk thing with people not really thinking about the long term consequences.
@@ManWithUhDream Maybe you should just stay in your dad's basement...
@@wolfe6220Looks that way with how high rent is!
@@ManWithUhDreamthe problem with your viewpoint is that The Crumblies didn’t just fail to act; they performed actions that could foreseeably lead to a school shooting.
@@ManWithUhDream does your dad who is a lawyer whoms basement you live in - complete ignore all law and legal precedence regarding over serving alcohol too? Because these parents over-served a firearm to someone who shouldn’t have had one
How are you going to go home when you hear about an active shooter unless you knew it was probably your kid with the gun you bought him? Wouldn't you go to the school first if you knew it wasn't your kid?
The parents were called to the school because of the drawings their kid was making. They refused to take him home and left him at school even when the drawing had a picture of the gun and said. "help me".
@@suzanne9150 Right the" help me' part is what I am tripping on. The school officials and the parents just ignored it and the parents doubly so because they had far more information about it. Everyone in the trial harped on the gun but the 'help me' went ignored. Im not a therapist or councelor but I feel like that warrants a longer meeting then ten minutes.
@@jamesryan8513so according to the school counselor's testimony, after seeing the drawing he immediately pulled ethan out of class and kept him in his office all morning, for about two to three hours. he hung out with ethan until his parents arrived.
in the meeting, the counselor told the crumbleys ethan needed to see a mental health professional within the next 48 hours, and he would be following up to make sure that happened. also in the meeting, jennifer and james did not disclose to the counselor that ethan had a gun at home.
after that short meeting, ethan swore he didn't want to go home, he wanted to stay at school. counselor released him because it was almost lunchtime.
i believe firmly that had they told the counselor ethan had a gun at home, school staff would have searched ethan's backpack, where they would immediately see a gun.
The defense attorney says, "Why would he (the father) do anything differently?" Are you kidding me?! The school informed the parents of the very disturbing drawing and they knew their son had a gun!!!
They bought him a gun for Xmas. They were shown the drawings he made in the classroom featuring that very gun, yet they stayed mum and let him stay back at school. For lack of a better word, that showed their passive homicidal intention. Aiding and abetting the school shooting.
James Crumbley and Jennifer Crumbley and their son Ethan Crumbley are on the family plan to go to prison
Between them and the Adelsons, being part of the family isn't such a comforting thought anymore.
You could have just said “The Crumbley’s.” Everyone would have known who you were talking about.
At least they will be reunited in prison as a cute family ❤❤❤
@@frankthetank8050 cus those coed prisons are all the new hype 😅
Honestly, I don’t think they even liked their son. ☹️ let alone love him or show an interest in him.
Correct
She should never have had a child. 😢
Knowing the timeline of James on that awful day makes me more angry. They ignored their kids cries for help, ignored the school, & he went back to door dashing? then they ran & hid in a warehouse after their son was arrested. Abandoning him again to save their own a$$es.
He’ll get more time than his wife for sure-he’s more culpable, he bought the gun,took him to the range & then failed to secure it.
@wingv313 and he lied on the form for the purchase of the weapon, saying it was another gun for himself.
I think the judge will add something to the sentence that the wife is gonna get when it's time to sentence the husband. Let's say James will get some extra bonus...
It's about time that parents are held responsible for their children. We are not rabbits to breed and walk away. Don't have children if you don't want the responsibility.
That's the way it used to be not so very long ago but then people started whining about it.
@@showmeanedge whining about children are not just your personal human puppy mill.. aw shucks must suck 2bu
@@MajICReiki if there's a point to your incoherent babbling I'd love to hear it. Go back to waving your hands around and pretending to "heal" people.
@@MajICReiki totally incoherent
Buying a firearm for another person is a crime. The family made it clear that the gun was purchased for Ethan as a gift.
But they didn't say that to the gun shop worker when purchasing the gun right????
@@karlydocI don’t think they did. The shop would have never sold him the gun. Paperwork is filled out where you state you are purchasing the firearm for yourself. He clearly lied on the form.
Then that is a clear Federal crime. @@DiamondsLilRooster
Why don't the father "suck it up" & confess so the victims don't have to go through ANOTHER trial!?!
Be honest might be best he is going to trail to get a longer sentence
@@amyjohnson7329 don't think it'll matter w/ what he'd get w/ his age, he'd age out!?!
He's been caught twice pretending to cry, right after he was laughing with his attorney. He said 'oops,' and immediately put on sad dad face. He then continued wiping his eyes as they leave the courtroom, making sure cameras see him.
Then watching him act like a petulant child when they took away his phone privileges because he was threatening people, sealed his fate with me. He's fake and he's not remorseful. He's a master manipulator.
His attorney babying him, fixing his collar, playing whisper games, while he grins all sheepishly at her, is gross. And she keeps drawing attention to him to make sure the cameras see that she's all worried about his poor widdle FAKE feelers.
UGH
Creepy asf 😐
"He's a master manipulator." And the apple didn't fall far from the tree...
I’m sorry, what lunatic dad buys their son a handgun, when he is obviously having some kind of mental health issue. He obviously didn’t care about his son, and even after his son asks for help, he tells him to just “suck it up”
This one! Obviously you have not met very many "tough love" parents
I hate to think this way, but I sometimes wonder if they gifted him the gun thinking he would only hurt himself....
Ouch, but then there are many comments that they didn't like their son much. So maybe? There are some truely horrible people out there.
During the mom's trial there was a number of comments with the same idea...
Well, it is a pretty good theory.
As awful as that sounds, the way these two narcissists behaved makes that a plausible theory.
They had one child to focus on. Just one.
He has other children in Florida
@@marimullan4012who he also neglected
His mother “laughed” at him for asking to go to the doctor??
I just think of all of the parents of students in that school who had firearms in their homes...how many of them raced home to check if any firearms were missing? He knew his son needed help, he knew things were off, and by racing home immediately after hearing of a shooting at the school, he knew his son was the shooter.
Facts
Yet they didn't take him home that day to talk to him and get him help when they had they chance and the knowledge of him crying out for help... he was crying out for help and they just didn't care.
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IMO, they expected the kid to take himself out of the picture. Or at least, she did. Instead, this happened-further inconveniencing these two horrible uncaring ‘parents.’ A real pair of losers that are responsible for four deaths.
I've always gotten that vibe from Jennifer big time. Dad also but dang Jennifer is something else
Yep ! They were over him, he was a nuisance to them
Yeah. That possibility feels very plausible.
I thought the same thing they thought hed harm himself and they’d be done with him. It is clear to me they had no interest in parenting
@@cail171 Right? I have gotten a similar impression from her... I'm studying psychology and seriously I couldn't help but feel that she has a psychopath/narcissistic personality. In her case, everything fits the portrait of psychopathy, even the fact that she cared more about the horses than about the kid (in short, psychopaths love animals/ hate people), etc. Of course, this is unimaginable for a normal person, but I wouldn't be surprised if she really counted on that she would get rid of the problem this way (if I'm not mistaken about her personality, the difficult child was, unfortunately, nothing more than an unnecessary burden for her).
what kind of parents would buy their kid a gun
If both parents paid attention to their son none of this would have happened…😢
The amount of missed opportunities to prevent this, just on the day that it occurred makes me nauseous. How both he and his wife fled the area on that very day speaks volumes and volumes.
My child got into a minor fight at his high school and was immediately removed from campus. This was so preventable so heartbreaking for the victims
They were treating their disturbed teenager like an adult friend. Took no resposability for his care. Not only Stuck their head in the sand but further enhanced problems by illegally buying him a gun.
Yup, even if their kids was emotionally well, who buys that kind of a gun for a kid?? He's not hunting ducks or deer. Sheesh!
You need better friends homie
@@jeanbeans7926 I grew up with"guns like that" and turned out fine. His parents are bad parents. it wasn't the gun that caused this.
This is a great example of two people being so wrapped up in their own lives, they just can't be bothered with anything or anyone else
Oh boy did these parents ever let him down! He didn't stand a chance! Your children MUST be a priority people!
If he didn’t think that his son was the shooter and heard that there’s a shooting at your son school why , didn’t go to the school to get pick up his child like all the other parents did, but he went home to look for the gun, he is guilty.
This father have NO right to loose his temper. That is why he is where he and the rest of his family are now!!!!
The crocodile tears from that selfish father he created that monster he must be held accountable
I think he needs to be held accountable. But I do think his tears are real. He's trying to hide them in fact. Totally opposite of the mom who didn't shed one tear and was not saddened, remorseful, or emotional on the stand.
This is absolutely heartbreaking to watch. Those lives lost, and those now left with lifelong traumas could have been saved if he had parents who gave af. I don't usually like to blame parents for their kids' actions in cases like this, but this one, they need to be held accountable.
Right, this one is a case of negligence beyond the pale.
Being a Doordash driver means he could have brought his son to work with him. Especially since he knew his struggling and the school suggested he be taken out of school. James Crumbley is guilty just like his son and wife.
TY for the clips. Just got done watching the Tenn case. So missed some for a few days.
accountability has to start somewhere, it's time we parents stop ignoring our own and our childrens mental health.
I have to hold school responsible too. Im in Columbus Ohii. We have a ZERO TOLERANCE policy. If he were found wth those drawings he would have been expelled. KIDS AREN'T KIDS ANYMORE.
Their son's plea for help on several occasions, even going so far as asking to his father to please take him to a Doctor, fell not only on deaf ears but also disturbing disinterest in son's need for help with the cruel, "suck it up," and his mother laughing at him! He's screaming for help and his parents are only focused and concerned about themselves. They are guilty. His father will be found guilty, everything points to him covering his back after the school massacre along with his gross, negligence of first giving his son the gun and second not locking it in a secure place. They willfully ignored their son's mental illness for months before the tradgedy. Rest in peace the victims. Xxx❤❤
They had no interest in parenting him. They ignored him, gave him no love and knew he was weird and yet they bought him a gun. Why? Perhaps they thought he might use it to relieve them of the burden of his existence. I’m surprised they didn’t buy a life insurance policy on him. What utter dirtbags.
i feel so bad for their son, he knew he was dealing with mental illness and he tried SO HARD to get help but the only people who could help him decided to push him towards committing this atrocity. i really really hope he gets the mental healthcare he needs, because if they just leave him in prison without any help he is likely to act out again based on his hallucinations and delusions, and that helps nobody. he clearly doesnt want to act on these urges and he needs appropriate medical and psychological help to keep him stable
What Ethan did is horrible, but he was neglected , he seems taking responsibility from young age , he was even work ing part time at 14.Whatever crime be, I am wondering why his parents flee from the scene leaving their only child. It was very heartbreaking for me to watch Ethan sentencing life without paroul , no one to give him moral support . Praying for the victims that may all ur inner broken souls be healed and one day forgive Ethan which his own parents failed. Forgiveness sets us free. Praying also for Ethan that he meet Jesus in his journey and one one day he will get paroul.
This is the only way to stop these crimes and stop bullying - hold the parents accountable for their *lack of parenting*
Prayers to the families of this tragedy. I hope you find some peace.❤
They were too busy being hate filled conspirators to raise their one and only kid.
At least the dad called 911 as soon as he realized the gun was missing. He acted as soon as he realized something was really wrong. But when your kid is asking to go to the doctor, you should listen.
He was crying out for help but his parents didn’t care, they are responsible
That mans going down too
Hes a nasty one
Threatening witnesses on recorded line ?
Hr has zero shame nor any sense
I am convinced they knew their kid was really messed up
Tortured, shot birds in yard
And wrote fantasies of hurting kids, girls in an open journal found in kitchen
They cared more about their guns and horses than their child or the safety of others children
They knew, why else would they have gone to the house first to check for the gun instead of straight to the school when they heard of the shooting....
I believe the parents when they say they had no knowledge of his journal, at least. We know they had a pattern of leaving him home alone for hours after work/school multiple times a week, AND we know the mom had a pattern of telling everyone her business (like her infidelity at work, etc.). If she knew about the journal, the cops would’ve found a text or facebook msg in her phone about it 😂
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So sad and very preventable.
I’m confused as to how the child was not removed from school? How the parents just left him.
They couldn't be bothered. That's why he ended up in this situation in the first place. He was totally neglected. Had nineteen cavities, spent hour upon hours by himself while the mom took care of horses and conducted a romantic extramarital affair.
A more appropriate question would be, how did the school admins allow him to remain in school? You're not part of the school staff are you?
What kid actually asks to be taken to the Doctor?! He did and they just didn’t want to be bothered😡😡
These parents failed this child. Some people should not have children
Bad parents: "I shouldn't be held responsible for what my kids do. But I'll turn around and say don't come after my kid for anything that they do. I like to have my cake and eat it too."
If his father gets convicted, I bet the appeal for the son will be granted as a result of proven and 'convicted' negligent parents. If not his entire case being retried, I bet the life sentence will be reviewed.
OMG, I really feel sorry for that kid, he really needed help and their parents were really sh1tty
Mental health is really tough and I don’t know that I think the son is entirely responsible himself especially if he’s reaching out to his parents and they’re not doing a thing about it just disregarding and almost shaming him and laughing in his face for needing help like what the literal you know what
Love your channel. Your reporting is great!
The school officials, including the counselor, are equally responsible for not bothering to search the boy's backpack.
Had they, those kids would be alive.
That young man never stood a chance with these parents.
Your son comes out and basically tells you hes mentally disturbed, so you go out and buy him a handgun. Great parenting.
The problem I have with the justice system is that in both parents' trials the prosecution argues as a big part of their case that Ethan had serious mental health issues and needed help but in his trial the prosecution argues the opposite.
2:20 people keep saying he “stored the gun where the child had access” … THEY BOUGHT THE KID THE GUN AS A GIFT.
That’s entirely different.
They encouraged his psychotic behavior, “Hahaha! You’re not supposed to get caught [shopping for ammo on phone while in school]”
They wanted to be his BFFs rather than PARENT him.
Another sad outcome of people never maturing beyond teenaged mentality and going on to have kids.
Some people don't get it, if the parents had bought the kid a bicycle and he ran over someone, (no big deal) but the parents bought the kid a 9mm pistol, big difference here.
They should have bought him a freaking Xbox so he could make friends playing games!
These parents seem to be mental. @@bobsmith6544
Boom
Your son had mental issues and you bought him a gun. Second, you never locked or hid the gun. Its a $10 lock supplied with the gun but you never even opened the package. Guilty!! Lock and hide the gun and those 4 students are alive today.
Agreed this is the gross negligence part.
My boyfriend is a huge hunter and gun guy. He TAUGHT his son since he was a child to be RESPONSIBLE and CAREFUL with every gun. He KNEW his son could handle it. I would have trusted his son with a firearm at 17, zero question, if he needed to protect our home. These parents are 100% to blame. They KNEW their kid has serious issues, and their response is to BUY A GUN?! I have no words for the ignorance and irresponsibility. They are absolutely guilty.
A great example may be at first historically, parents being charged, but somebody ultimately must pay for it to be taken more seriously too much of this is happening
Yes, Jennifer Crumbley was annoyed. Right before she walked out of that meeting she asked "Are we done here?" I honestly think the judge should ask the exact same thing after they sentence her.
the school is also at fault..He drew pictures of guns and ammo in school and they didn't check his back pack..They could have stopped it. i'm not saying the parents aren't bad but all need to be accountable
If I recall correctly, the school tried to send him home to his parents. The school told the parents to get him medical and psychiatric help. They refused to take him. Its going to be hard to see what the school should have done differently. He hadn't done anything dangerous yet, pictures are not a crime, so they couldn't just hand him off to police. They can't provide additional in school mental health resources without the parent's consent. They could have searched his backpack every day when he got off the bus in theory, but they'd have no way of knowing when he got to school every day or if he had time to hide something... you get the picture. Even if the school system is liable, holding one individual person responsible outside of the shooter and parents will never happen. They did take steps to try to prevent this, unlike the parents.
They should be held responsible but they should spend all the years in prison for every single child that their child killed and harmed
such neglectful parents SMH
If this child was hearing voices or knew that something was wrong and tried to reach out to anybody he is not fully in his right mind when he did this.
He had no reason to think differently… his kid was drawing dark things and he went to purchase him a gun….
What's "dark things"?
....right what's dark things boy I don't understand
Let this be a warning to parents of school goers to make sure their children have no access to firearms, they will be held responsible 😮
Crazy, honestly.
That sucks if that is true that he knew he needed help...
they really treated their own kid like he was some annoying roommate jesus
What disturbs me about this shooting is how oblivious James and Jennifer Crumbley were. No hugs for Ethan. No nothing. They felt he was a burden.
I do believe if the parents are being tried and convicted for their sons actions, Ethan himself should not be allowed to be tried as an adult.
Does anyone else feel like the school should be held accountable for knowing Ethan was greatly disturbed and never even checked his back pack and person before keeping him at school that day? I do.
Well, parents used to be held accountable for their kids skipping school. Why not this?
Normally, a parent's first reaction would be to frantically try to find out if their child is okay in an active shooter situation. His actions demonstrated that he immediately suspected his son of being the shooter. Having a trouble child is extremely difficult to deal. with. The Crumbleys contributed to their son's mental illness.
Oh he called 911 before the shooter’s identity was confirmed? Yeah he’s going away for this just like his wife.
All this could have been avoided if America wasn't obsessed with guns. Who buys a gun 🔫 for a child 🤔
My son was younger than him when he had a rifle. It was kept in a gun safe. He was always a popular athletic kid who had no desire whatsoever to show it off or use it for any reason except when he was with his father at the hunting cabin. Even today as an adult he doesn’t get a thrill with hunting but he does enjoy the time away at the cabin with friends. The gun wasn’t the problem, but the parents sure were.
@@rlfrohs6123what does being popular or athletic have to do with the cost of cheese?
Exactly!!!
@@ThePathOfLeastResistanc Well, not much for cheese but it certainly helps when u make friends easily. I guess my point was he learned early on to have a friend u must be a friend. So, school was a place that he always enjoyed. As far as sports, I don’t think it matters but a child needs an interest. It helps to be in the band or on a team or participating in different clubs. Kids that are antisocial and have no interests other than showing up feel isolated. So, my point was not I have such a great kid…my point was I did my best to have him in activities that let him be the best version of himself. The last thing he would have wanted to do was hurt anyone. I feel for their child because he really had no one and when he asked for help they laughed. Hope that explains it better.
@@jeanbeans7926 Thanks, I thought I explained it very well too.
The four young people who died all look so nice and so beautiful. What an atrocity.
Even if a killing is unintentional, malice aforethought for murder may be implied where the accused consciously disregards a risk to human life.
I'm so sorry for your loss ❤️
This poor child having insomnia seeing things he obviously was not well and these parents completely neglected so so sad 😢
OMG. The son needed help and no one helped him. Also bought him a gun. So wrong.
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Thanks, Jesse..You're doing a public service. Sad f'en case...
If any parents need convicted, it's these 2 self absorbed neglectful parents. Ethan never had a chance other than being a lost soul. It is so incredibly heat breaking he had to shatter so many lives.