Fairy C Rat I was a young kid when I had an Atari. While many arcade games of that time still hold up, I don’t think you will find many home console games of that time doing so. With a few exceptions, I honk nostalgia is required to enjoy them. The NES is really the first console to have games still enjoyable today.
@@FallicIdol Mostly true, but give H.E.R.O. and Pitfall 2 another playthrough or two under Stella (or your Atari 2600 emulator of choice) Both hold up well, especially H.E.R.O. This is a game that could totally stand to get a modern (if Indie) remake and do well. On the IntelliVision, The Dreadnought Factor is a better Uridium then Uridium. Having to both shoot AND bomb the various weapon systems and ventilation shafts all while dealing with point-defense guns, heavy cannons AND guided mines before the dreadnought got close enough to blow up the Earth made for one stressful experience, especially the homing mines. With a proper controller, it's an absolute blast even today if you can deal with single colour graphics for all the sprites.
@@exidy-yt Those are good, and I enjoy a lot of other classics (River Raid, Air Sea Battle, ect.) but I can't imagine getting a kid today to sit down and give them a chance. An NES may be pushing it. I think the 16-bit era is truly where a lot of the more timeless games started to emerge.
@@FallicIdol Yeah for a kid I agree 100%. The most basic flash games online are better then most of the Atari/Intellivision catalog. My daughters got right into Missile Command and Pitfall 2 when they were little, but that's about it for anything older then my SNES.
Another criteria would be how easy to find and how much the cartridges go for. Although I was a C64 user back in the day (actually giving up an Atari 400 to become one), the Atari 8-bit machines probably have it beat in that criteria, too - C64 game carts tend to not show up very often in second-hand shops because most people tended to either have disc drives in the US or tape drives in the UK. I see the 8-bit carts for Atari more often. They have a nice brown "serious" typography to them, too, for the most part. Stylish and they have a retro-future vibe now.
If you're including the NES, you should also consider the Sega Master System. Of course, the SMS will be missing most of your top 40 games (a solid list, BTW), but makes up for a lot of that deficiency by having some great later 'classic' arcade titles like Altered Beast, Shinobi, Rastan, Outrun, Hang-On, Afterburner, Thunderblade, and Golden Axe. I'd also make a case for Colecovision having some REALLY outstanding less iconic arcade conversions that were terrific games and very well-done home versions, such as Ladybug, Frenzy, Venture, Looping, Pepper II, Carnival, Buck Rogers, Up and Down, Roc n Rope, and quite a few others.
It only came out 1 year after the NES did in North America and Europe, and it was compatible with the SG-1000 games, and that came out the same year as the FamiCom in Japan.
Well I did a quick run through of the list of games used for comparison here and to be honest it only looks like about 6 of them are even on the system (And that's being very generous giving it pacmania for pacman etc)
I made the Atari 800 my primary console for classic arcade gaming about 5 years ago because of its huge library and great specs. The fact that the platform ran for so long (1979 - 1992) is likely why there are so many games for it. My favorite thing to play is Missile Command with the 2600 track-ball. If you want to try it, plug in a trackball, switch the controller’s toggle to T, and then type Ctrl-T on the keyboard. It’s a friggin’ blast, so much better than the 2600 version.
@@lordevyl8317 Yeah, though if you're primarily using it as a game console that doesn't matter much. The keyboard was definitely the reason to upgrade to something else if you were into programming.
Matt McIrvin Yeah, but if you're into a lot of RPGs and stuf like text adventuresf, they often require keyboard usage, it gets to be a pain in ht ass as well
What I loved about the Atari XE system was that it came with Missile Command built into the game system. I just had to hold down the power button to load that instead of any inserted cartridge.
yea but it only shoots one type of missile, and the original missile command arcade cab used a trackball . And it also had 3 types of missiles, so 3 separate buttons for each missile.
@Dodge Ram 01 -- True, but oftentimes the publishers of arcade games published the home console versions. And, they made more money off of selling the consoles than they did the cartridges.
@@MarkMcDaniel you are correct, but to say that they want us to keep dropping quarters is not on the manufacturer! Although the person who owns the machine was making a killing lol
I really appreciate the amount of work went into making this video, picking the games and researching all 40 of them must've been very time consuming! It was an entertaining video tho, keep up the good work!
Yes! My first console was the 2600, but I had an Atari XEGS that I loved! I still have a couple cartridges. I regret not having the system anymore. Crystal Castles was my favorite. Flight Simulator was a close second. I loved Bug Hunt and all the back catalog of 800XL games. I still have the floppy disks!
I'm a newcomer to your channel, so this comment is very late, but I was pretty psyched to see the TI-99 at the end of this video. I actually happened across one of those in perfect working order in a Goodwill a couple years ago. I haven't done much of anything with it other than play Chess and Parsec, but it's a very cool machine. I've considered looking into what I would need to emulate a tape drive with mp3s, as that would vastly expand my potential game library.
Great presentation. I watched the older kids play on the Pong/Atari 800 in the mid-late 70's. Started with an Atari 400 in 1982. Learned Basic on it. Graduated to an 800XL by the mid-80's. Dad got a Wang terminal/modem for his job in '87 and I started using BBS's and proto-internet. I may be biased but, I still think the 8-bit 400/800/XL/XE platforms have the best and most-rounded overall ports of popular/arcade games and obscure, ahead of their time ones like the early Lucasfilm games. I spent plenty of time playing games friend's/family's Apple IIE/Mac/Commodore 64/TI/TSR-80/Intellivision/Timex-Sinclair/ColecoVision and I knew then and now there were significant bright spots and exceptional games in their lineups that the Atari 8-bit couldn't match. But, those were still largely *exceptions.* Shame that Warner/Atari couldn't maintain the strength of their own vision and influence and the Atari name is now mostly 80's legend and backdrop for Blade Runner/Cyberpunk-esque cutscenes. This company as a cultural force shaped more Gen X kids to become what they are today, than perhaps any other corporate entity.
He’s evaluating classic games, not all games. C64 has a much larger overall library avail but for quality classic arcade games, nothing touches Atari 8bit on a console or computer for original releases back in the day.
@@user-tb5ns7hc5i Not just that, but classic titles that are available on cartridge, specifically, which were never as popular on the C64. The ones that exist aren't necessarily hard to find, but are not as numerous and readily found as on the Atari 8-bit platform. That's too bad, actually, because in my opinion the C64's hardware features are more geared toward this type of game, and generally the games are a bit better on the C64 as a result. By the way, it's strange that the 5200 is so lacking in this respect, because it has the same hardware as the 400, differing only in where the hardware registers are addressed. The exact same game code can be ported very easily just by changing a few constants and some of the joystick code.
Btw funny thing he had games on the list which did not even originate in the arcades but on either consoles or 8 bit computers. Pitfall 2 for instance originated on the 2600 and later was ported by Sega to the arcades. Same goes for Montezumas Revenge (did this game even come out in the arcades?)
@@werpu12 Choplifter as well. It came out on home machines before Sega ported it to the Arcade. The pc engine/turbografix 16 had quite a few of the games on the list, not sure why he didnt include that machine as well.
The 5200 also has an adapter to play 2600 games. When new, the adapter cost more than a 2600! Interestingly, the Intellivision (and the Coleco as you mentioned) had them first. I am glad you inlcuded the 7800. That is what we do all our Atari gaming on, although I have the emulator working pretty darn well on my NVidia Shields. You just can't beat the feeling of picking up that Epyx 500XJ and cramming in an old cartridge in the 7800 for that retro feeling. Besides, no emulator that I know of will play Kaboom like the original, with paddles. I have three 7800s, a 5200 and the trackball (this is great for Centipede and Missile Command), 5 2600s of various models including a heavy, a 2800, and I don't know what else Atari I have here, but it is more than I need, or so my wife says. I like that you played BallBlazer on the Atari XEGS. It's one of my favorite 8-bit games, especially when you have two humans playing. And last, thank you for mentioning the RF mod for the 2600/7800. I have been meaning to mod one of my 7800s, and I just ordered the kit. Now you have me wanting another 8-bit Atari PC. I have not had one in forever. Sold them, my STs, my TT/030, Falcon, and all my other console Atari stuff long ago. I do still have two Atari Lynx units and several games that still work fine.
John Doe I just looked it up 81. It was going to be the core of my robot project. I had an IO module and a toy tank motor ready to go. I could do the same thing with probably a tiny arduino Nano or pro mini with more storage.
Might have been mentioned in other comments, but the 5200 also had the VCS adapter to allow it to play 2600 games. Granted only the 2 port units work without modification to the main console, but if you're going to mention the CVs expansion module 1 and mention of how the disk drive for the C-64 helps these systems out on the software selection, then it really is only fair to mention the 5200 and it's VCS adapter. Also quite a few 8-bit Atari computer cart based games have been converted to function on the 5200 and carts of those games can be made and purchased easily.
Did you include clones in the games rankings? For example, the Intellivision and TI-99/4A both had their own clones of Space Invaders, rather than an officially licensed version of the real thing.
Some clones were not that good so I understand not including them in general. I have Avenger for the C64 though and it is really good. I'd like to see a video on best arcade style clones.
Martin Heermance I always liked parsec. I never had TI invaders. I never was good at space invaders. I would like a copy that I could change the fire power speed. Maybe a cheat code. Ms pacman had a chip to make the pacman go faster. Why not in space invaders.
The Dreamcast was very popular. There was even an emulator called Bleemcast that could make the Dreamcast run Playstation games with improved graphics.
Jason Blalock No, it was extremely popular in Europe and Australasia. Was a lot Cheaper than the NES and 8-bit PCs were dying at this point due to the 16-bit so it had its niche.
These are _not_ arcade games: H.E.R.O. Jumpman Lode Runner Miner 2049er Montezuma's Revenge Pitfall Pitfall II Pitstop River Raid There were arcade ports of Lode Runner and Pitfall II, but they were both originally home computer/console games.
The Atari 8-bit computers were the clear winner. One major problem the C64 suffered from (as the Atari ST) were those awful big borders around the screen that you couldn't get rid of. Like WTF were they thinking?
Atari FTMFW! When I was a little kid me and my friends lusted after an Atari 800 computer. I never saw one in person until much later. I think that fact that it's more than just a gaming machine and you can actually program it makes it a more fun machine for the hobbyist. I learned how to program on a Timex/Sinclair 1000 and wrote some pretty simple action games using Sinclair BASIC. I still have that machine and it still worked last time I plugged it in.
Yes, the Master System is 8bit and the direct competitor of the NES, just technically a little better (especially the japanese version with additional FM sound). But as the guy said, he only included machines that were popular in North America which the Master System never was. Mega Drive/Genesis, that‘s another story...
@@jensdroessler3575 No...the 8-bit Guy made said list solely based on old arcade games of the early 1980's and which console had the most games from that genre (single screen, high score driven). The Atari 5200 and 7800 were neither popular nor well received. Further, I find his list severely flawed as well as his take on the arcades of the times. The Nes should have won out as the single screen arcade games it had were actually arcade perfect. None of the other machines came close. Galaga for instance on the Nes is almost indistinguishable to the arcade cab side-by-side. As far as his arcade games not being popular...only the games he selected. We gamers of the mid 1980's and early 1990's were hungry for more. The first beat em' ups like Double Dragon were just hitting the arcades and they were white hot. This led into what is called the second golden age of the arcades where one-on-one fighters ruled everything. I was there for it...this was a rare miss for the 8-bit Guy.
@@Sinn0100, the single screen arcade ports the NES had were all arcade perfect? I’m Gonna disagree with you there. Take Donkey Kong, for instance. Nintendo made DK, and yet that port is not ‘arcade perfect’. It doesn’t even have the second stage. It is better than the Atari 7800 version? I think so. Arcade perfect? No. Burgertime and Rampage are other great examples of games I wouldn’t call ‘actually arcade perfect’...you can’t even be one of the characters in Rampage (and yet you can be any of the three on the 7800). I don’t think it’s wrong to say the NES had better ports for these. I do think it’s wrong to call them all ‘actually arcade perfect’. I know. I was there. I was the ‘poor’ kid that owned a 7800, but my older brother had the NES.
Choplifter, Defender II, Dig Dug, Galaxian, Lode Runner, Ms Pac-Man, Popeye, and Space Invaders were released for the Nintendo Entertainment System in 1985 or 1986. Arkanoid -is the official version of- (edit: very similar to) Breakout and exists for the NES. So if you are looking for a retro system with 20 games from your list, NES is not a bad choice.
Did you mean Arkanoid is the *unofficial* version of Breakout? Because Breakout is the official version of Breakout. Breakout was the first brick-breaking game, programmed by Steve Jobs & Steve Wozniak when Steve Jobs was working for Nolan Bushnell on the night shift at Atari Inc. There was one man on the night shift and it was Steve Jobs. Wozniak finished the game for Jobs and he wasn't even working for Atari. Arkanoid came years later, and while you break bricks, they are in many different shapes and you get all kinds of power-ups. Breakout is more primitive and in many ways harder.
If I remember right, some of these titles likeDig Dug and Space Invaders were only released in Japan on the Famicom. Popeye and Loder Runner definitely had US releases, though!
Arkanoid is to Breakout what Super Space Invaders '91 is to Space Invaders and Galaga '88 is to Galaga. They took basic elements of the original classics, but the actual gameplay is considerably different/ expanded.
I would love to see an additional criteria around faithfullness to the original arcade version. Great channel by the way, just discovered it and watching everything.
lol yeah pc masterrace has always been a thing but noone needed to mention it, because the console plebs (lol jking) always knew their system was inferior.
Are you daft ? By 1984 and the NES hit her full potential the PC was severly lagging behind. Doom ,Civ I and others marked a step up but the next one was accelerated graphics, and that was early 2000 with Quake, mainly. And early 2000 the PS2 was right around the corner. Most of the launch or early PS2 titles blown PC games of the time out of the water. Half life 1 was a great game by game design but it's engine had not much special. The only time PC was really superior was by the mid 7th gen era, and stayed that way for different reasons, which you surely grew up with since you obviously know absolutely fuck all about games.
the witcher 3. skyrim , fallout 3, nv and 4, kerbal space program, every first person shooter ever, minecraft, terraria, GTA5, watchdogs 2, just cause 3, dark souls 1 2 and 3 , doom, tomb raider (all of them), deus ex (all of them), farcry (all of them), the sims (all of them)..... hmmmmm have I forgotten any..... yes , i have ...... thousands of other games.
All of those games except KSP and some FPS games have home console ports. PCMR has never seriously been a thing and never will be because the only benefit we had was better graphics in most titles and to be frank, most of those "better graphics" are just fluff that are used for shallow anti-console arguments.
"I won't be including any 16-bit systems..." Actually, the Intellivision's CPU was a 16-bit General Instrument CP1610. It was not of the "16-bit era" that we think of today (Genesis, SNES, TurboGrafx-16) but it was 16-bit.
Neither the Intellivision nor the TI-99/4A had the power expected of 16-bit computers/consoles, so the fact that they were indeed 16-bit was a technicality, not a meaningful description.
@@rbrtck it is literally accurate that Intellivision had a 16-bit cpu. It was a 16-bit system from 1979, so obviously not of the same capabilities as 16-bit systems from the 1990s. But to say Intellivision was 16-bit is indeed meaningful, as well as technically accurate.
@@CSanykdotCom Even typical 16-bit systems of the *1980s* , such as the Amiga, Atari ST, or IBM PC, were significantly more powerful than both the Intellivision and TI-99/4A. For that matter, there were also 8-bit systems that were more powerful. What did being 16-bit *mean* to the public? It meant that a system was more powerful in many respects than 8-bit systems, but this wasn't true of the two systems we're discussing, even in comparison with their contemporaries. It is a literal fact that they are 16-bit systems, but it does not mean they are more powerful than 8-bit systems, such as the C64 (1982), Atari 8-bit (1979), or NES (1983 in Japan). Therefore the Intellivision and TI-99/4A are not 16-bit in a meaningful, informative way for the public. The perception that it creates in people's minds does not match the reality. Being 16-bit does not make these particular systems more powerful, even in 1979 and 1981 (their years of introduction). I'm not trying to pick on them, or anything like that. I just keep hearing lately that they're 16-bit systems, which superficially seems impressive, but they were pretty much on-par with 8-bit systems of their time, and not quite as powerful as some. So aside from being interesting trivia, what does this fact actually *mean* , as in what does it imply about them in comparison to contemporary systems that were not 16-bit? It means nothing--absolutely nothing, no offense intended.
@@rbrtck meaningful to the public isn't relevant. It's meaningful that the intv was a 16-bit system. It's meaningful to people who understand what it means. In 1979, I don't recall Mattel marketing the system as a 16-bit system, because at the time the public wouldn't have understood what that meant. Arguably the public really didn't understand what it meant even when Sega was hyping the Genesis. Bus width is merely one spec out of many that can indicate the relative capability of a system, but there's a lot more to it than that, most of which is not something you can communicate to kids in a 30 second TV commercial. But if you put INTV and Atari 2600 side by side and compare the two, you can readily see Intellivision has superior capabilities, and part of that is due to the fact that the cpu is 16-bit. More of it is to do with INTV having more memory, and better video and audio hardware. But the cpu does have something to do with it. (And yet, for all INTV's superiority, Atari had markershare, library, and cost advantages, which prevented Mattel from overtaking Atari as industry leader.) It's not just interesting trivia. In 1979, a hardware engineer will understand that the Intellivision has a capability to do more than the Atari VCS it was designed to compete against, providing potential to create a more complex, deeper game, with better graphics. That's clearly a meaningful, not trivial difference, and one the public could comprehend, even if they wouldn't understand system architecture in a meaningful way, they most certainly could see it on screen.
I actually do have my Apple IIc plugged into my main gaming TV because it's fairly small and does have a built-in floppy drive as well as a joystick port, so I can easily play my arcade classics alongside my 7800, NES, etc. as if it were a game console.
Like many people these days, I own literally every system from the past, but still have a special place for the 8 bit Atari computer line. Originally released in 1979, this hardware was amazingly brought to life by Jay Miner...great video.
Owning the Atari 800 back in the day, I knew the answer right away. I loved playing the computer games that were every bit as good as the arcade versions.
Owning both, I would actually say that the C64 was a little bit better for classic arcade games, but there were fewer such games on cartridges specifically, and much fewer of each cartridge made. In fact, it wasn't unusual for a typical C64 owner back in the day to own no game cartridges at all. Obviously the Atari 8-bit deserves the overall win here, although it's strange that the 5200 is missing so many titles, given that it has the same hardware as the Atari computers.
I'm pretty sure Nintendo didn't want to have arcade games on their console in the first few years of its life because they wanted to separate themselves from game consoles.
Thank you so much for this video! I was born in 2005, but I still absolutely love retro games! (I have an atari flashback 7, portable, GBA SP & an SNES classic, as well as a large variety of plug&play systems.) I wanted to look at some actual vintage systems, & I stumbled upon this video, so, thanks!
Very cool video! No TI99/4A? I would include that and not NES, which I feel is part of the next generation (introduced in 1985). Would love to see a similar video covering other machines of the era, like the Timex Sinclair 1000, the TRS-80s, and even the Altair!
This is an interesting video for me as it falls directly in my wheelhouse. My primary passion is home ports of arcade games from the late 70's and early 80's. As a result I've always gravitated to systems playing those titles. As such I've purged much of my collection and focused strictly on the Atari 2600/7800/XEGS and the NES which combined have a great library of classic arcade ports. I enjoy, for example, playing the different versions of Donkey Kong on all these systems despite the limitations of some. As others have mentioned, several titles you mentioned do appear on the NES like Popeye and others came out on the famicom which can be played on the NES via a famicom-to-NES adapter which is smaller than a cart and not bulky like some of the other add ons you showed.
Also it's worth mentioning that many of the 2600 games, despite having inferior graphics, many times have the more enjoyable ports. Some examples are Millipede, Bump n Jump and Solar Fox
The Atari 400 (with B-key keyboard upgrade) was the first and my favorite computer to develop for. The "display list" idea works brilliantly to make interesting displays of mixed text and graphics, and I like how the concept was duplicated on the Amiga, along with vertical blank interrupts and all that old-school trickery we had to do. AtariBASIC could get you pretty far, but it was very slow, so it was worth it to learn 6502 assembly just to get decent performance. I never managed to publish any of the games or utilities I wrote for the Atari, but later I did publish some Amiga titles. It was a crazy period for developers. Recently I started to work on improving the state-of-the-art for developing Atari Computer software on the macOS platform (or anywhere that Sublime or Atom editors run). I've posted a pretty smart error-catching AtariBASIC language syntax for the Sublime editor at github.com/thinkyhead/6502-Tools (also for Atom soon). Also included is a 6502 Assembler Sublime syntax designed to work better with Atari 6502 source code, both 2600 and 8-bit computer. (Still needs macro-assembler support.) I've also started working on a new macOS version of the "Atari800" emulator that will be usable as part of a development workflow (and not have broken sound). "Altirra" could also be a good starting-point, but it's written for Windows, so I'm just aiming to get a new build of "Atari800MacX" (old UI) for now, gradually update its interfaces, and will apply fixes needed to pass the Altirra acid tests in the future. My hope is to make it easier for homebrew enthusiasts to develop for one of the coolest platforms of the 8-bit era, and to see how far the old platform can be pushed, especially when integrated into today's networked environment of limitless storage. #RetroGaming #ClassicComputing #AtariAge
of course the best way to play old 80s arcade games, pixel perfect is to get an arcade machine, with one of those cards that has about 400 of the 80s games on it... with no comprimises at all and the real arcade sticks and buttons...
Had an XEGS and an 800XL back in the day, one of the biggest regrets I have is selling these systems - they were better than the more popular C64 and 8 bit guy agrees!
I think the C64 is a bit better for classic games in terms of graphics, but it's true that cartridges weren't as popular on this platform, so fewer games are available on cartridge for it, which was a major consideration in this comparison. Check out games such as _Ms. Pac-Man_ and _Q-bert_ , which are noticeably better on the C64. Allow for a disk drive, though, and you'd not only have more of the classic games available on the C64, you'd have the largest library of software available for that era, right up there with the Apple II, and generally much better than on that platform, at least concerning games. As a classic game console, the Atari 8-bit wins overall, but if a person who is new to this could only choose one 8-bit computer system, then the C64 (or C128) would be the one to get, based on my having owned and used all three for many years.
The XEGS is an interesting case. It was designed to compete with the NES and Sega Master System, and came out in 1987, a few years after the golden age of arcade gaming ended. Due to the fact that it was just a late model Atari 8 bit computer, it could play the entire library of its games, all the way back to 1979, which overlapped basically the entire golden age of arcade games, and it is an Atari product. Back in the early 1980s, Atari made a huge number of arcade classics and as the home console industry leader and powerful player in the computer market also got a LOT of third party arcade ports. The XEGS is really an underrated system, it can play basically the entire line of Atari 8-bit computer games from 1979 to 1991. One thing Atari really did right in the latter part of the 1980s was maintain backward compatibility with their older stuff. Then it all went south in the early 1990s with the death of the computer lines, the Lynx, and the Jaguar. I think Atari products of the late 1980s are underappreciated; the Jaguar was a train wreck. December 28, 2018 4:55 am
So does the Intellivision 2. However, I wouldn't give either credit because they are near impossible to obtain. I once searched for them for a year on eBay and none were listed.
Except the Atari 400 had a really horrible keyboard. The 800 keyboard was a thing of beauty, but the 400 keyboard was a shitty membrane keyboard, and membrane keyboards are god awful. They are second only to chicklet keys as the worst type of keyboard you could use
Scott Breon the 400 was intended to be released WITHOUT a keyboard....the only reason why it got one was that the marketing guys LOVED Star Raiders and it required a keyboard to be played....so don’t complain too hard 😁
As someone who lived through the 70's & 80's I say either the Commodore 64, the NES, or the Atari 7800. All 3 had GREAT ports of early/mid 80's arcade classics.
But then, it's still emulation and not the actual hardware. Nothing wrong with that in my eyes, but there is something special with setting up the stuff did it back then. Same way I enjoy the original version of Tetris for the Gameboy the most. It it is just the original.
Colecovision All The Way! I am surprised that the system does not have as many of those 40 titles. I do however, have an Atari XE system...I am going to have to dust it off now...
Some Atari 7800 games contained a POKEY sound chip on the cartridge, as the cartridge port had an audio input pin (Ballblazer was one of them). This sound chip is the same one as used in the 5200 and 8 bit computer series. However, the raw console was what he mentioned.
i came by this again, and can't believe that you left out TI just for the software support of those 40 games. It was clearly used in 8 bit form, and the software cartridges for it were simply stupendous... Show me a game better than Parsec, or with the Smoothness of TI Invaders.... impossible.
WHOOPS!! THAYT WHUZ NAWT A TARRRRGET!!!! Speaking of IntelliVoice, Gotta say Space Spartans with IntelliVoice was an absolutely excellent Star Raiders ripoff and superior to the Atari 2600 version of Star Raiders, without needing the extra controller pad that 2600 Star Raiders did, making it a $90 game. You were better off with Starmaster. Nothing will touch the Atari 400/800 version of Star Raiders however. First game to get that Star Wars 'streaming stars' hyperspace effect right, along with everything else that made it awesome.
I know it's blasphemy for purists, but for those who are really unfamiliar with this era, a Nintendo NES Mini might be a good place to start. I pre-ordered it and I was so lucky that I received it before Christmas. I know that it is emulation and not the same thing is the actual NES, but I love it's library of games (even though it's not possible to add new ones), the HDMI support and ease of convenience. My only problem with it is the short controller cable. I know that's hard to buy one at this moment, but hopefully it won't be too long till Nintendo can manufacture and ship more.
The NES Mini actually already has a software hack, no physical modding required. Just a willingness to plug it into a computer and run software of questionable origin that will undoubtedly break the warranty.
It's a test. It's not a definitive answer. It's not like David himself knew the best console for arcade games. The video is a result of his research, so I think the title isn't clickbaity at all.
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4:00 Jumpman, Load Runner and Pitstop are all available for the 2600 and the 7800. Qix is the only one missing and there's a dev community release of it.
I literally bought a Atari 400 last week. Thanks for confirming I bought a good system. I have a nice TV, easy to get joysticks, but the actually games are not that easy to get or afford.
How's the 400 going for you? You can get a SIO2USB adapter (from lotharek.pl ) and load A8 games from your PC/laptop using a free program called RespeQT. Or you can connect it to a pi.
Nice comparison! I remember my Atari 800XL having 4 channels of sound whereas the Commodore 64 has 3 so the sound is also slighty better but not many games really made use of this extra channel very well so you couldn't always tell the difference.
Yeah, damn shame about that - or some games would have great music at the title screen but the gameplay would be mute. I think it was more a memory problem than the 3-voice limit that did it.
When using 4 voices on the Atari, each voice only has 8 bits of resolution for the frequency, however. This is enough to make it play music noticeably (at least for those who are sensitive to this) out of tune. Any 2 voices can be combined into a single 16-bit voice, giving the Atari up to 2 16-bit voices, but now it has fewer voices. Another possible combination is 2 8-bit voices and 1 16-bit voice, for 3 voices total. All 3 voices of the C64 have 16-bit resolution, for comparison, so there are trade-offs involved. Which sounds better might be influenced by the number of voices, as well, but resolution (for playing in tune), as mentioned is another factor, and still another one is the number of waveforms available (the C64 has more for music while the Atari has more for sound effects), and ADSR envelope generation (for shaping the sound), which the C64's SID sound chip does automatically for each voice independently, while the Atari's POKEY sound chip can emulate this feature but only with a lot of work being done by the CPU and software.
Even disregarding where it was popular and where it was not; just go to 3:12. How many of those games were released on the Master System? Being a bit later system, early '80s arcade games weren't really its main-forte.
It's just a bit under the NES in graphic quality though. Perfectly fine on its own terms, but do a head to head comparison of the two systems for any game they both had, and I think the XEGS only wins with Joust.
What about the Sega Master System? You didn't mention that 8-bit console at all. Though I'm not sure how many arcade games it had, it had excellent sound and graphics. Also, I noticed that Galaga was missing from every single console, but it was available on the NES (thanks TENGEN).
The Master System would have had few arcade games because it came out in 1986. A lot of Sega's early 80s arcade games came out on the Atari 2600, Colecovision, etc then, but by the mid-late 1980s Sega was interested in offering newer experiences to compete with the NES. Whereas the 7800 also came out in 1986, but had 2600 backward compatibility. Smart move on Atari's part, not only could many people play their old library of 2600 games but they could also play the new 2600 games that came out all the way until 1990. (That's right, the Atari 2600 and the Sega Dreamcast were produced IN THE SAME DECADE!) December 28, 2018 4:45 am
7800 had tremendous capability that was never exploited by the programmers at the time due to the crazy market at the time. It had too few games released for it and the ones that were, were rushed and low quality given the power of that system. :(
Treasure of Tarmin was great on my Intellivision, still have it too. Criteria to consider should be: Use of Video Buffer for Graphics (tricky or otherwise) Use of total ram/rom available to the carts per system Gameplay quality between platform releases (leads to what the system has to offer overall)
Was the SEGA Master System that hard to obtain in the US? When it comes to cartridge prices and library, it is en par with the 2600 and has much better sound than this one, and the Master System I even has composite out.
My Master System was $47 in 2006, no box (well, it came in the store's box but not the original 1980s box) but it did come with all the hookups and 2 free boxed games. They aren't that hard to find over here, although you coud probably expect to cough up about 100 bucks nowadays for what I got for 47 bucks 17 years ago. February 8, 2023 9:55 am
In fairness, several of the listed games (Choplifter, Jumpman, H.E.R.O., Lode Runner, Miner 2049er, Montezuma's Revenge, Pitstop, River Raid) were either never arcade games, or were ports of the computer/console originals that were then often essentially unknown in arcades and thus not "arcade classics" by the strictest definition. Also, it may be a little unfair to ding a platform for having a good arcade port that just happens to be purposefully misnamed. For example, the Vic-20 may not have a "Space Invaders" but if you go hunting for "Vic Avenger" on UA-cam, you will be pleasantly surprised.
I own both. (the same consoles i owned in my youth, never sold them) and i preferred the Master system. Games where better, the console was superior. never know why it wasnt as succesfull
Because of the games, Master System had better graphics but the games were less atractive than the ones at NES, and the catalog on NES was a lot larger. But both machines were really impressive for the time they were created.
Because it was not a success in North America He's talking from a North American standpoint, and less than a quarter of the game library was released over here
Hey, if you're throw the 'technically' gauntlet down, you should know that the Intellivision is 'technically' a 16-bit console, too. Specifically, it has 16-bit registers & a 16-bit address bus, with 10-bit instructions.
Yeah, but as much as I love the Vectrex (I actually have a working one) there weren't many official arcade classics on it, but a lot of CLONES. He was specifically referring to official ports.
Console gaming was never about supporting large variety of popular titles, it's what PC does. Consoles main feature was and still is in exclusive masterpiece titles that a given console can acquire. Most of the people (including very young ones) would prefer NES to every other system on this list, maybe just to play Mario Bros and some either titles. Also retro gaming doesn't have to suffer from very primitive graphics like the first gen Atari, so those consoles are mostly for nostalgic purposes these days.
Nes came out a bit later, and was end ofthat era. 16 bit was in the arcades, I looked down on the nes, as I had been using the Atari 800 since the early 80s. But when the Sega megadrive came out with 16 bit..
You're an idiot ! LoL the Sega Genesis is 16 bit . Master system is 8 bit. I know it blows all these other systems away, but it's still an 8 bit system
You lined out many games which are available on the Japanese Famicom and are perfectly compatible with the NES. They are licensed as a fact. You can play almost all of those games... Actually, the NES is the best gaming platform featured on this episode: Best graphics for games, best sound for games and huge library. Then it would be followed by the C64, I guess...
Wait a minute! Many of those games on your list were never released in the arcade like H.E.R.O., Jumpman, Miner 2049er, Montezuma's Revenge, Pitfall, Pitstop and River Raid. Some of the games were eventually ported to the arcade but first appeared on Home Computers & consoles like Choplifter & Pitfall II (Which were made by Sega) and Load Runner (which was made by Irem) so I don't understand why they are on your list.
You're wrong. I grew up with arcade games when we only called them as such when they were ported on to a console. Hell even on Wikipedia's list of video games gernes there is so such thing as an "arcade" game.
See, that's why I said "kind of". It's not an official genre like RPGs, adventure games, etc. Look at this: www.quora.com/What-is-the-arcade-video-game-genre
Bryce I remember the '80s & '90s like the back of my hand and I don't remember anyone referring to games like Pitfall & River Raid as an arcade game. As mentioned before all the people I knew only called something an "arcade" game if it was ported to a console. I remember all the oddball terminology that people made up back then (e.g. like how some people I knew then used to call cartridges "cassettes") and never heard anyone referring to them as an arcade game.
This is comparing cartridge based systems. The CPC6128 had disks. You'd have to consider either the Amstrad GX4000 or the 6128plus. There were just 18 GX4000 games none of which are the games on the list he's looking for. Nice system but wrong place to compare it.
Yess, Atari 8-bit for the win! I played the Atari 800 as a kid, and being able to play four player Asteroids was awesome! It had all kinds of different modes and options which actually kept the game fun.
As a 2000s kid, I'd probably never have gotten into retro game hardware if your channel didn't exist! Thanks for all those vids and tips!
Fairy C Rat I was a young kid when I had an Atari. While many arcade games of that time still hold up, I don’t think you will find many home console games of that time doing so. With a few exceptions, I honk nostalgia is required to enjoy them. The NES is really the first console to have games still enjoyable today.
sssssssssAME i love retro games
@@FallicIdol Mostly true, but give H.E.R.O. and Pitfall 2 another playthrough or two under Stella (or your Atari 2600 emulator of choice) Both hold up well, especially H.E.R.O. This is a game that could totally stand to get a modern (if Indie) remake and do well. On the IntelliVision, The Dreadnought Factor is a better Uridium then Uridium. Having to both shoot AND bomb the various weapon systems and ventilation shafts all while dealing with point-defense guns, heavy cannons AND guided mines before the dreadnought got close enough to blow up the Earth made for one stressful experience, especially the homing mines. With a proper controller, it's an absolute blast even today if you can deal with single colour graphics for all the sprites.
@@exidy-yt Those are good, and I enjoy a lot of other classics (River Raid, Air Sea Battle, ect.) but I can't imagine getting a kid today to sit down and give them a chance. An NES may be pushing it. I think the 16-bit era is truly where a lot of the more timeless games started to emerge.
@@FallicIdol Yeah for a kid I agree 100%. The most basic flash games online are better then most of the Atari/Intellivision catalog. My daughters got right into Missile Command and Pitfall 2 when they were little, but that's about it for anything older then my SNES.
Lol, I have a JAMMA arcade board that I tossed into an old arcade machine I have, and now I have 60 classic arcade games. It's great fun!
Interesting
You're my hero.
Another criteria would be how easy to find and how much the cartridges go for. Although I was a C64 user back in the day (actually giving up an Atari 400 to become one), the Atari 8-bit machines probably have it beat in that criteria, too - C64 game carts tend to not show up very often in second-hand shops because most people tended to either have disc drives in the US or tape drives in the UK. I see the 8-bit carts for Atari more often. They have a nice brown "serious" typography to them, too, for the most part. Stylish and they have a retro-future vibe now.
Very good point. I owned a C64 in the 80s and I think we had exactly 1 cartridge game, everything else was on floppy disk.
But at least you can download audio files of roms and be able to experience the nostalgia of loading times on real hardware lol
atari st was my favorite cuz of gantlet.
Atari 800XL with a nice Genesis arcade stick has always been my favourite way to play arcade ports at home.
If you're including the NES, you should also consider the Sega Master System. Of course, the SMS will be missing most of your top 40 games (a solid list, BTW), but makes up for a lot of that deficiency by having some great later 'classic' arcade titles like Altered Beast, Shinobi, Rastan, Outrun, Hang-On, Afterburner, Thunderblade, and Golden Axe.
I'd also make a case for Colecovision having some REALLY outstanding less iconic arcade conversions that were terrific games and very well-done home versions, such as Ladybug, Frenzy, Venture, Looping, Pepper II, Carnival, Buck Rogers, Up and Down, Roc n Rope, and quite a few others.
No love for the Sega Master System?
The master system really came out too late for this sort of thing.
It only came out 1 year after the NES did in North America and Europe, and it was compatible with the SG-1000 games, and that came out the same year as the FamiCom in Japan.
What about the SG-1000, then?
Well I did a quick run through of the list of games used for comparison here and to be honest it only looks like about 6 of them are even on the system (And that's being very generous giving it pacmania for pacman etc)
from what ive heard the master system wasnt nearly as popular in the USA as it was in the rest of the world
The Atari 8-bit line had some incredible arcade conversions.
The NES definitely did have Popeye. I remember owning it and it appears in every NES emulator list.
Yes I have it. It was a black label NES game.
The colecovision also has Popeye
The NES also has DigDug
@@sergeykiselev4266 NES did not. Famicom did, NES only had Dig Dug 2 which isnt very good.
Actually, Mario was created because Nintendo couldn't get the rights to use Popeye.
I made the Atari 800 my primary console for classic arcade gaming about 5 years ago because of its huge library and great specs. The fact that the platform ran for so long (1979 - 1992) is likely why there are so many games for it. My favorite thing to play is Missile Command with the 2600 track-ball. If you want to try it, plug in a trackball, switch the controller’s toggle to T, and then type Ctrl-T on the keyboard. It’s a friggin’ blast, so much better than the 2600 version.
Still love my 8 bit Atari computers...sweet nostalgia.
Especially Atari 130XE
Too bad the Atari 400 had a shit keyboard
MEMBRANE KEYBOARDS SUCK ASS
@@lordevyl8317 Yeah, though if you're primarily using it as a game console that doesn't matter much. The keyboard was definitely the reason to upgrade to something else if you were into programming.
Matt McIrvin
Yeah, but if you're into a lot of RPGs and stuf like text adventuresf, they often require keyboard usage, it gets to be a pain in ht ass as well
I still have my original 5200!
What a quality vid. I can tell you put a lot of hard work into it Dave.
Plot twist
The screenshot for popeye was the nes version!
Nah, I don't think that's the NES version. The colors are different. But wouldn't that be a twist if it actually was!
The "from late '70s to '84 arcade games" parameter is very interesting! It's a fun basis upon which to compare systems, IMO.
I love my Atari 800 and 7800, this is all the more reason why I display them proudly
What I loved about the Atari XE system was that it came with Missile Command built into the game system. I just had to hold down the power button to load that instead of any inserted cartridge.
yea but it only shoots one type of missile, and the original missile command arcade cab used a trackball . And it also had 3 types of missiles, so 3 separate buttons for each missile.
@@AE-bm4no -- Home ports were never as good as the arcades back then. Because, they wanted us to drop quarters in the machines over time.
@@MarkMcDaniel thats just a dumb answer as the console companys didnt own the arcades!
@Dodge Ram 01 -- True, but oftentimes the publishers of arcade games published the home console versions. And, they made more money off of selling the consoles than they did the cartridges.
@@MarkMcDaniel you are correct, but to say that they want us to keep dropping quarters is not on the manufacturer! Although the person who owns the machine was making a killing lol
I really appreciate the amount of work went into making this video, picking the games and researching all 40 of them must've been very time consuming! It was an entertaining video tho, keep up the good work!
There is some misinformation in this video. Popeye and Dig-Dug are indeed on NES.
5:59 the nes had ms.pacman! Both a normal grey cartridge that was faithful to the arcade, and a tengen one, that had loads of cool extra features.
Yes! My first console was the 2600, but I had an Atari XEGS that I loved! I still have a couple cartridges. I regret not having the system anymore. Crystal Castles was my favorite. Flight Simulator was a close second. I loved Bug Hunt and all the back catalog of 800XL games. I still have the floppy disks!
I'm a newcomer to your channel, so this comment is very late, but I was pretty psyched to see the TI-99 at the end of this video. I actually happened across one of those in perfect working order in a Goodwill a couple years ago. I haven't done much of anything with it other than play Chess and Parsec, but it's a very cool machine. I've considered looking into what I would need to emulate a tape drive with mp3s, as that would vastly expand my potential game library.
Great presentation. I watched the older kids play on the Pong/Atari 800 in the mid-late 70's. Started with an Atari 400 in 1982. Learned Basic on it. Graduated to an 800XL by the mid-80's. Dad got a Wang terminal/modem for his job in '87 and I started using BBS's and proto-internet. I may be biased but, I still think the 8-bit 400/800/XL/XE platforms have the best and most-rounded overall ports of popular/arcade games and obscure, ahead of their time ones like the early Lucasfilm games.
I spent plenty of time playing games friend's/family's Apple IIE/Mac/Commodore 64/TI/TSR-80/Intellivision/Timex-Sinclair/ColecoVision and I knew then and now there were significant bright spots and exceptional games in their lineups that the Atari 8-bit couldn't match. But, those were still largely *exceptions.* Shame that Warner/Atari couldn't maintain the strength of their own vision and influence and the Atari name is now mostly 80's legend and backdrop for Blade Runner/Cyberpunk-esque cutscenes.
This company as a cultural force shaped more Gen X kids to become what they are today, than perhaps any other corporate entity.
Havent't thought the Atari 8 bit arcade game library stands above the C64. Nice comparison video!
He’s evaluating classic games, not all games. C64 has a much larger overall library avail but for quality classic arcade games, nothing touches Atari 8bit on a console or computer for original releases back in the day.
@@user-tb5ns7hc5i Not just that, but classic titles that are available on cartridge, specifically, which were never as popular on the C64. The ones that exist aren't necessarily hard to find, but are not as numerous and readily found as on the Atari 8-bit platform. That's too bad, actually, because in my opinion the C64's hardware features are more geared toward this type of game, and generally the games are a bit better on the C64 as a result.
By the way, it's strange that the 5200 is so lacking in this respect, because it has the same hardware as the 400, differing only in where the hardware registers are addressed. The exact same game code can be ported very easily just by changing a few constants and some of the joystick code.
Btw funny thing he had games on the list which did not even originate in the arcades but on either consoles or 8 bit computers. Pitfall 2 for instance originated on the 2600 and later was ported by Sega to the arcades.
Same goes for Montezumas Revenge (did this game even come out in the arcades?)
@@werpu12 Choplifter as well. It came out on home machines before Sega ported it to the Arcade. The pc engine/turbografix 16 had quite a few of the games on the list, not sure why he didnt include that machine as well.
@@meetoo594 Very likely for the same reason he omitted the spectrum, probably simply no device available.
The 800xl was my first real computer (after a timex Sinclair 1000 and a 2600). Fun video to watch for the nostalgia.
I remember the day TI announced they were dropping their computer, their stock went up $25. That tells you public opinion.
The patient's prognosis greatly improved when they stopped the bleeding.
The 5200 also has an adapter to play 2600 games. When new, the adapter cost more than a 2600!
Interestingly, the Intellivision (and the Coleco as you mentioned) had them first.
I am glad you inlcuded the 7800. That is what we do all our Atari gaming on, although I have the emulator working pretty darn well on my NVidia Shields. You just can't beat the feeling of picking up that Epyx 500XJ and cramming in an old cartridge in the 7800 for that retro feeling. Besides, no emulator that I know of will play Kaboom like the original, with paddles.
I have three 7800s, a 5200 and the trackball (this is great for Centipede and Missile Command), 5 2600s of various models including a heavy, a 2800, and I don't know what else Atari I have here, but it is more than I need, or so my wife says.
I like that you played BallBlazer on the Atari XEGS. It's one of my favorite 8-bit games, especially when you have two humans playing.
And last, thank you for mentioning the RF mod for the 2600/7800. I have been meaning to mod one of my 7800s, and I just ordered the kit.
Now you have me wanting another 8-bit Atari PC. I have not had one in forever. Sold them, my STs, my TT/030, Falcon, and all my other console Atari stuff long ago. I do still have two Atari Lynx units and several games that still work fine.
Great and thorough video as always, thanks 8bit guy!
Even though I’m only 13 years old I like almost all the game consoles You showed
Same!
I like that. It gives me hope that the younger generations can appreciate older hardware.
Good on you.
I also like nearly all the consoles shown in this video, but I'm 17.
I had a CD for PC with loads of arcade games when I was super young! I loved Mappy and Xevious ^^
My first computer was a VIC20. . . .. . I got it in 1999. 😢
Got mine probably around '83. Still may have it somewhere in the attic.
Also have timex Sinclair ZX 80 I bought for $29 on clearence.
+Cliff Hartle Wauv, the original ZX 80 with its many chips, not the ZX 81 that combined it down to like 4 chips?
John Doe I just looked it up 81. It was going to be the core of my robot project. I had an IO module and a toy tank motor ready to go.
I could do the same thing with probably a tiny arduino Nano or pro mini with more storage.
My first computer was a Commodore 64. Got it in '83. Still have it to this day with many disks full of games. And yes it still works.
Might have been mentioned in other comments, but the 5200 also had the VCS adapter to allow it to play 2600 games. Granted only the 2 port units work without modification to the main console, but if you're going to mention the CVs expansion module 1 and mention of how the disk drive for the C-64 helps these systems out on the software selection, then it really is only fair to mention the 5200 and it's VCS adapter. Also quite a few 8-bit Atari computer cart based games have been converted to function on the 5200 and carts of those games can be made and purchased easily.
Think you're wrong about the 99/4a. It definitely didn't have the third party game support, but there are some really great first party games for it.
Did you include clones in the games rankings? For example, the Intellivision and TI-99/4A both had their own clones of Space Invaders, rather than an officially licensed version of the real thing.
It's worth buying a TI 99/4a for TI Invaders and Parsec alone. They're also much cheaper than other vintage systems.
+VWestlife Same with the Commodore VIC-20. It had Avenger.
Some clones were not that good so I understand not including them in general. I have Avenger for the C64 though and it is really good. I'd like to see a video on best arcade style clones.
I love Astrosmash for Intellivision ! ! It's kinda like space invaders, but way better in my opinion and it's faster paced
Martin Heermance I always liked parsec. I never had TI invaders. I never was good at space invaders. I would like a copy that I could change the fire power speed. Maybe a cheat code. Ms pacman had a chip to make the pacman go faster. Why not in space invaders.
And what about the master system? It is also an 8 bit old video game console isn't it?
SEGA wasn't popular in north America?
The Dreamcast was very popular. There was even an emulator called Bleemcast that could make the Dreamcast run Playstation games with improved graphics.
I thought only SEGA made games for it, hence the lack of arcade titles.
The Mark III / Master System was really only popular in South America and some parts of Europe. It was considered a failure in both Japan and the USA.
Even if he'd counted it for this list, it would've been dead last. Something like 5-6 of the games he chose were even on the thing.
Jason Blalock No, it was extremely popular in Europe and Australasia. Was a lot Cheaper than the NES and 8-bit PCs were dying at this point due to the 16-bit so it had its niche.
These are _not_ arcade games:
H.E.R.O.
Jumpman
Lode Runner
Miner 2049er
Montezuma's Revenge
Pitfall
Pitfall II
Pitstop
River Raid
There were arcade ports of Lode Runner and Pitfall II, but they were both originally home computer/console games.
Atari 8 bit is definitely the winner. Also it has a superior operating/disk operating system!
The Atari 8-bit computers were the clear winner. One major problem the C64 suffered from (as the Atari ST) were those awful big borders around the screen that you couldn't get rid of. Like WTF were they thinking?
Atari FTMFW! When I was a little kid me and my friends lusted after an Atari 800 computer. I never saw one in person until much later. I think that fact that it's more than just a gaming machine and you can actually program it makes it a more fun machine for the hobbyist. I learned how to program on a Timex/Sinclair 1000 and wrote some pretty simple action games using Sinclair BASIC. I still have that machine and it still worked last time I plugged it in.
I wish you had included Sega Master System in the list.
classic i own that.
@Komaru Naegi Nope, it's 8-bit. Don't confuse it with the Sega Megadrive/Genesis.
Yes, the Master System is 8bit and the direct competitor of the NES, just technically a little better (especially the japanese version with additional FM sound). But as the guy said, he only included machines that were popular in North America which the Master System never was. Mega Drive/Genesis, that‘s another story...
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No...the 8-bit Guy made said list solely based on old arcade games of the early 1980's and which console had the most games from that genre (single screen, high score driven). The Atari 5200 and 7800 were neither popular nor well received. Further, I find his list severely flawed as well as his take on the arcades of the times.
The Nes should have won out as the single screen arcade games it had were actually arcade perfect. None of the other machines came close. Galaga for instance on the Nes is almost indistinguishable to the arcade cab side-by-side. As far as his arcade games not being popular...only the games he selected. We gamers of the mid 1980's and early 1990's were hungry for more. The first beat em' ups like Double Dragon were just hitting the arcades and they were white hot. This led into what is called the second golden age of the arcades where one-on-one fighters ruled everything. I was there for it...this was a rare miss for the 8-bit Guy.
@@Sinn0100, the single screen arcade ports the NES had were all arcade perfect? I’m Gonna disagree with you there. Take Donkey Kong, for instance. Nintendo made DK, and yet that port is not ‘arcade perfect’. It doesn’t even have the second stage. It is better than the Atari 7800 version? I think so. Arcade perfect? No. Burgertime and Rampage are other great examples of games I wouldn’t call ‘actually arcade perfect’...you can’t even be one of the characters in Rampage (and yet you can be any of the three on the 7800).
I don’t think it’s wrong to say the NES had better ports for these.
I do think it’s wrong to call them all ‘actually arcade perfect’.
I know. I was there. I was the ‘poor’ kid that owned a 7800, but my older brother had the NES.
Choplifter, Defender II, Dig Dug, Galaxian, Lode Runner, Ms Pac-Man, Popeye, and Space Invaders were released for the Nintendo Entertainment System in 1985 or 1986. Arkanoid -is the official version of- (edit: very similar to) Breakout and exists for the NES. So if you are looking for a retro system with 20 games from your list, NES is not a bad choice.
I knew it had Popeye for sure, and I suspected it had some of the others. Couldn't remember for sure though, so I didn't comment on them.
Did you mean Arkanoid is the *unofficial* version of Breakout? Because Breakout is the official version of Breakout. Breakout was the first brick-breaking game, programmed by Steve Jobs & Steve Wozniak when Steve Jobs was working for Nolan Bushnell on the night shift at Atari Inc. There was one man on the night shift and it was Steve Jobs. Wozniak finished the game for Jobs and he wasn't even working for Atari. Arkanoid came years later, and while you break bricks, they are in many different shapes and you get all kinds of power-ups. Breakout is more primitive and in many ways harder.
You are correct. Arkanoid came later and adds powerups which I think makes it more interesting. So strictly speaking, NES stands at 19 games.
If I remember right, some of these titles likeDig Dug and Space Invaders were only released in Japan on the Famicom. Popeye and Loder Runner definitely had US releases, though!
Arkanoid is to Breakout what Super Space Invaders '91 is to Space Invaders and Galaga '88 is to Galaga. They took basic elements of the original classics, but the actual gameplay is considerably different/ expanded.
I have all of these games on RetroPie! Living the dream!
I would love to see an additional criteria around faithfullness to the original arcade version. Great channel by the way, just discovered it and watching everything.
So the best video game consoles of the time were personal computers. Same as today.
lol yeah pc masterrace has always been a thing but noone needed to mention it, because the console plebs (lol jking) always knew their system was inferior.
Same as today? Show me a PC version of a game that clearly surpasses its console counterparts.
Are you daft ? By 1984 and the NES hit her full potential the PC was
severly lagging behind. Doom ,Civ I and others marked a step up but the
next one was accelerated graphics, and that was early 2000 with Quake,
mainly. And early 2000 the PS2 was right around the corner. Most of the
launch or early PS2 titles blown PC games of the time out of the water.
Half life 1 was a great game by game design but it's engine had not much
special.
The only time PC was really superior was by the mid 7th gen era, and stayed that way for different reasons, which you surely grew up with since you obviously know absolutely fuck all about games.
the witcher 3. skyrim , fallout 3, nv and 4, kerbal space program, every first person shooter ever, minecraft, terraria, GTA5, watchdogs 2, just cause 3, dark souls 1 2 and 3 , doom, tomb raider (all of them), deus ex (all of them), farcry (all of them), the sims (all of them).....
hmmmmm have I forgotten any.....
yes , i have ...... thousands of other games.
All of those games except KSP and some FPS games have home console ports. PCMR has never seriously been a thing and never will be because the only benefit we had was better graphics in most titles and to be frank, most of those "better graphics" are just fluff that are used for shallow anti-console arguments.
Can you please do a video about the g4 cube please?
Great Idea.
but he was the ibookguy and also a while ago he did a video on a g5 tower so it's not only 8 bit
wojtek lasik YES
always wanted to get to know that thing
Druaga1 did a video on the G4 cube.
"I won't be including any 16-bit systems..." Actually, the Intellivision's CPU was a 16-bit General Instrument CP1610. It was not of the "16-bit era" that we think of today (Genesis, SNES, TurboGrafx-16) but it was 16-bit.
Neither the Intellivision nor the TI-99/4A had the power expected of 16-bit computers/consoles, so the fact that they were indeed 16-bit was a technicality, not a meaningful description.
@@rbrtck it is literally accurate that Intellivision had a 16-bit cpu. It was a 16-bit system from 1979, so obviously not of the same capabilities as 16-bit systems from the 1990s. But to say Intellivision was 16-bit is indeed meaningful, as well as technically accurate.
@@CSanykdotCom Even typical 16-bit systems of the *1980s* , such as the Amiga, Atari ST, or IBM PC, were significantly more powerful than both the Intellivision and TI-99/4A. For that matter, there were also 8-bit systems that were more powerful. What did being 16-bit *mean* to the public? It meant that a system was more powerful in many respects than 8-bit systems, but this wasn't true of the two systems we're discussing, even in comparison with their contemporaries.
It is a literal fact that they are 16-bit systems, but it does not mean they are more powerful than 8-bit systems, such as the C64 (1982), Atari 8-bit (1979), or NES (1983 in Japan). Therefore the Intellivision and TI-99/4A are not 16-bit in a meaningful, informative way for the public. The perception that it creates in people's minds does not match the reality. Being 16-bit does not make these particular systems more powerful, even in 1979 and 1981 (their years of introduction).
I'm not trying to pick on them, or anything like that. I just keep hearing lately that they're 16-bit systems, which superficially seems impressive, but they were pretty much on-par with 8-bit systems of their time, and not quite as powerful as some. So aside from being interesting trivia, what does this fact actually *mean* , as in what does it imply about them in comparison to contemporary systems that were not 16-bit? It means nothing--absolutely nothing, no offense intended.
@@rbrtck meaningful to the public isn't relevant. It's meaningful that the intv was a 16-bit system. It's meaningful to people who understand what it means.
In 1979, I don't recall Mattel marketing the system as a 16-bit system, because at the time the public wouldn't have understood what that meant. Arguably the public really didn't understand what it meant even when Sega was hyping the Genesis. Bus width is merely one spec out of many that can indicate the relative capability of a system, but there's a lot more to it than that, most of which is not something you can communicate to kids in a 30 second TV commercial.
But if you put INTV and Atari 2600 side by side and compare the two, you can readily see Intellivision has superior capabilities, and part of that is due to the fact that the cpu is 16-bit. More of it is to do with INTV having more memory, and better video and audio hardware. But the cpu does have something to do with it.
(And yet, for all INTV's superiority, Atari had markershare, library, and cost advantages, which prevented Mattel from overtaking Atari as industry leader.)
It's not just interesting trivia. In 1979, a hardware engineer will understand that the Intellivision has a capability to do more than the Atari VCS it was designed to compete against, providing potential to create a more complex, deeper game, with better graphics. That's clearly a meaningful, not trivial difference, and one the public could comprehend, even if they wouldn't understand system architecture in a meaningful way, they most certainly could see it on screen.
I actually do have my Apple IIc plugged into my main gaming TV because it's fairly small and does have a built-in floppy drive as well as a joystick port, so I can easily play my arcade classics alongside my 7800, NES, etc. as if it were a game console.
Like many people these days, I own literally every system from the past, but still have a special place for the 8 bit Atari computer line. Originally released in 1979, this hardware was amazingly brought to life by Jay Miner...great video.
Owning the Atari 800 back in the day, I knew the answer right away. I loved playing the computer games that were every bit as good as the arcade versions.
Owning both, I would actually say that the C64 was a little bit better for classic arcade games, but there were fewer such games on cartridges specifically, and much fewer of each cartridge made. In fact, it wasn't unusual for a typical C64 owner back in the day to own no game cartridges at all. Obviously the Atari 8-bit deserves the overall win here, although it's strange that the 5200 is missing so many titles, given that it has the same hardware as the Atari computers.
I'm pretty sure Nintendo didn't want to have arcade games on their console in the first few years of its life because they wanted to separate themselves from game consoles.
Thank you so much for this video! I was born in 2005, but I still absolutely love retro games! (I have an atari flashback 7, portable, GBA SP & an SNES classic, as well as a large variety of plug&play systems.) I wanted to look at some actual vintage systems, & I stumbled upon this video, so, thanks!
Very cool video! No TI99/4A?
I would include that and not NES, which I feel is part of the next generation (introduced in 1985).
Would love to see a similar video covering other machines of the era, like the Timex Sinclair 1000, the TRS-80s, and even the Altair!
This is an interesting video for me as it falls directly in my wheelhouse. My primary passion is home ports of arcade games from the late 70's and early 80's. As a result I've always gravitated to systems playing those titles. As such I've purged much of my collection and focused strictly on the Atari 2600/7800/XEGS and the NES which combined have a great library of classic arcade ports. I enjoy, for example, playing the different versions of Donkey Kong on all these systems despite the limitations of some. As others have mentioned, several titles you mentioned do appear on the NES like Popeye and others came out on the famicom which can be played on the NES via a famicom-to-NES adapter which is smaller than a cart and not bulky like some of the other add ons you showed.
Also it's worth mentioning that many of the 2600 games, despite having inferior graphics, many times have the more enjoyable ports. Some examples are Millipede, Bump n Jump and Solar Fox
You forgot about the Sega Master System, didn't you?
no sega love :(
The SMS wouldn't have likely had many of these titles.
Too late end of 8 bit, 16 bit in arcades
The Atari 400 (with B-key keyboard upgrade) was the first and my favorite computer to develop for. The "display list" idea works brilliantly to make interesting displays of mixed text and graphics, and I like how the concept was duplicated on the Amiga, along with vertical blank interrupts and all that old-school trickery we had to do. AtariBASIC could get you pretty far, but it was very slow, so it was worth it to learn 6502 assembly just to get decent performance. I never managed to publish any of the games or utilities I wrote for the Atari, but later I did publish some Amiga titles. It was a crazy period for developers.
Recently I started to work on improving the state-of-the-art for developing Atari Computer software on the macOS platform (or anywhere that Sublime or Atom editors run). I've posted a pretty smart error-catching AtariBASIC language syntax for the Sublime editor at github.com/thinkyhead/6502-Tools (also for Atom soon). Also included is a 6502 Assembler Sublime syntax designed to work better with Atari 6502 source code, both 2600 and 8-bit computer. (Still needs macro-assembler support.)
I've also started working on a new macOS version of the "Atari800" emulator that will be usable as part of a development workflow (and not have broken sound). "Altirra" could also be a good starting-point, but it's written for Windows, so I'm just aiming to get a new build of "Atari800MacX" (old UI) for now, gradually update its interfaces, and will apply fixes needed to pass the Altirra acid tests in the future.
My hope is to make it easier for homebrew enthusiasts to develop for one of the coolest platforms of the 8-bit era, and to see how far the old platform can be pushed, especially when integrated into today's networked environment of limitless storage.
#RetroGaming #ClassicComputing #AtariAge
of course the best way to play old 80s arcade games, pixel perfect is to get an arcade machine, with one of those cards that has about 400 of the 80s games on it... with no comprimises at all and the real arcade sticks and buttons...
Had an XEGS and an 800XL back in the day, one of the biggest regrets I have is selling these systems - they were better than the more popular C64 and 8 bit guy agrees!
I think the C64 is a bit better for classic games in terms of graphics, but it's true that cartridges weren't as popular on this platform, so fewer games are available on cartridge for it, which was a major consideration in this comparison. Check out games such as _Ms. Pac-Man_ and _Q-bert_ , which are noticeably better on the C64.
Allow for a disk drive, though, and you'd not only have more of the classic games available on the C64, you'd have the largest library of software available for that era, right up there with the Apple II, and generally much better than on that platform, at least concerning games. As a classic game console, the Atari 8-bit wins overall, but if a person who is new to this could only choose one 8-bit computer system, then the C64 (or C128) would be the one to get, based on my having owned and used all three for many years.
The XEGS is an interesting case. It was designed to compete with the NES and Sega Master System, and came out in 1987, a few years after the golden age of arcade gaming ended. Due to the fact that it was just a late model Atari 8 bit computer, it could play the entire library of its games, all the way back to 1979, which overlapped basically the entire golden age of arcade games, and it is an Atari product.
Back in the early 1980s, Atari made a huge number of arcade classics and as the home console industry leader and powerful player in the computer market also got a LOT of third party arcade ports.
The XEGS is really an underrated system, it can play basically the entire line of Atari 8-bit computer games from 1979 to 1991. One thing Atari really did right in the latter part of the 1980s was maintain backward compatibility with their older stuff.
Then it all went south in the early 1990s with the death of the computer lines, the Lynx, and the Jaguar. I think Atari products of the late 1980s are underappreciated; the Jaguar was a train wreck.
December 28, 2018 4:55 am
Good video, but I noticed a little error. Popeye was in fact developed for the NES; I even have a cartridge of it.
yea
he is not the best wiht nes and snes
4:27 Actually, the 5200 did have a 2600 adapter available. Look it up sometime.
So does the Intellivision 2. However, I wouldn't give either credit because they are near impossible to obtain. I once searched for them for a year on eBay and none were listed.
@@colecovisionlives3139 Huh, never actually knew the Intellivision 2 had it's own version of the adapter. I'll have to look it up later.
The Atari 8-bit line was awesome. It came out years before the C64, but compared favorably.
Except the Atari 400 had a really horrible keyboard. The 800 keyboard was a thing of beauty, but the 400 keyboard was a shitty membrane keyboard, and membrane keyboards are god awful. They are second only to chicklet keys as the worst type of keyboard you could use
Scott Breon the 400 was intended to be released WITHOUT a keyboard....the only reason why it got one was that the marketing guys LOVED Star Raiders and it required a keyboard to be played....so don’t complain too hard 😁
Well, you've inspired me to pick up an old C64. Because I really needed another hobby involving obsolete electronic equipment. Thanks. :D
As someone who lived through the 70's & 80's I say either the Commodore 64, the NES, or the Atari 7800. All 3 had GREAT ports of early/mid 80's arcade classics.
I love that I can do all these and more on my Raspberry Pi. I have to admit, I spend a decent amount of time playing the inferior systems.
But then, it's still emulation and not the actual hardware.
Nothing wrong with that in my eyes, but there is something special with setting up the stuff did it back then. Same way I enjoy the original version of Tetris for the Gameboy the most. It it is just the original.
Emulation is garbage
Why?
Montezuma's revenge on the 8-bit Atari computers was awesome
Yeah, but he's strictly talking about ARCADE ports. Montezuma's revenge was never an arcade game
To this day, decades later, the tongue-in-cheek name of that game cracks me up! lol
Colecovision All The Way! I am surprised that the system does not have as many of those 40 titles. I do however, have an Atari XE system...I am going to have to dust it off now...
Still worth a play if you can find one! One of my favorite games was RootBeer tapper..
Some Atari 7800 games contained a POKEY sound chip on the cartridge, as the cartridge port had an audio input pin (Ballblazer was one of them). This sound chip is the same one as used in the 5200 and 8 bit computer series. However, the raw console was what he mentioned.
Only ballblazer and commando ever used external sound chips iirc. It really didnt add much to ballblazer but commando sounded pretty sweet.
i came by this again, and can't believe that you left out TI just for the software support of those 40 games. It was clearly used in 8 bit form, and the software cartridges for it were simply stupendous... Show me a game better than Parsec, or with the Smoothness of TI Invaders.... impossible.
Welp, since two of these consoles have voice synthesizers on them, I thought I'd make this reference....
BEEEEEE SEVENTEEEEEEN BAWWWMER!
WHOOPS!! THAYT WHUZ NAWT A TARRRRGET!!!!
Speaking of IntelliVoice, Gotta say Space Spartans with IntelliVoice was an absolutely excellent Star Raiders ripoff and superior to the Atari 2600 version of Star Raiders, without needing the extra controller pad that 2600 Star Raiders did, making it a $90 game. You were better off with Starmaster. Nothing will touch the Atari 400/800 version of Star Raiders however. First game to get that Star Wars 'streaming stars' hyperspace effect right, along with everything else that made it awesome.
I know it's blasphemy for purists, but for those who are really unfamiliar with this era, a Nintendo NES Mini might be a good place to start. I pre-ordered it and I was so lucky that I received it before Christmas. I know that it is emulation and not the same thing is the actual NES, but I love it's library of games (even though it's not possible to add new ones), the HDMI support and ease of convenience. My only problem with it is the short controller cable. I know that's hard to buy one at this moment, but hopefully it won't be too long till Nintendo can manufacture and ship more.
I don't have a problem with that at all. I plan to get one myself as soon as I can find one in stock somewhere.
The NES Mini actually already has a software hack, no physical modding required. Just a willingness to plug it into a computer and run software of questionable origin that will undoubtedly break the warranty.
There are extention cables for the controllers and even a wireless option available that This DOes Not Compute did a review on.
+ojeco you are talking about mid '80s, while the video is focusing on 70s arcade games
I wasn't aware, thanks. I will look it up, but so far, I haven't been able to try even all the built-in games, yet.
Having a question mark at the end of your title increases views?
HappyJigg it increases likes?
Corncob Johnson real it increases replies?
It's a test. It's not a definitive answer. It's not like David himself knew the best console for arcade games. The video is a result of his research, so I think the title isn't clickbaity at all.
DoctorRobert23 possibly?
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5:24 Excellent catch!!
4:00 Jumpman, Load Runner and Pitstop are all available for the 2600 and the 7800. Qix is the only one missing and there's a dev community release of it.
I would love to see more 8-bit Atari computers
But there was Popeye for NES. Actually it was black box game!
wow, I had the 600xl as my 1st system. I didnt know how lucky I was.
I literally bought a Atari 400 last week. Thanks for confirming I bought a good system. I have a nice TV, easy to get joysticks, but the actually games are not that easy to get or afford.
How's the 400 going for you? You can get a SIO2USB adapter (from lotharek.pl ) and load A8 games from your PC/laptop using a free program called RespeQT. Or you can connect it to a pi.
Atari 800 > 400
The 800 could play all the games that were released for the 400 and didn't have a shitty membrane keyboard
Nice comparison! I remember my Atari 800XL having 4 channels of sound whereas the Commodore 64 has 3 so the sound is also slighty better but not many games really made use of this extra channel very well so you couldn't always tell the difference.
Hmm I found that many games used the four channel sound for music+effects. C 64 games more had to pick one or the other.
Yeah, damn shame about that - or some games would have great music at the title screen but the gameplay would be mute. I think it was more a memory problem than the 3-voice limit that did it.
When using 4 voices on the Atari, each voice only has 8 bits of resolution for the frequency, however. This is enough to make it play music noticeably (at least for those who are sensitive to this) out of tune. Any 2 voices can be combined into a single 16-bit voice, giving the Atari up to 2 16-bit voices, but now it has fewer voices. Another possible combination is 2 8-bit voices and 1 16-bit voice, for 3 voices total. All 3 voices of the C64 have 16-bit resolution, for comparison, so there are trade-offs involved.
Which sounds better might be influenced by the number of voices, as well, but resolution (for playing in tune), as mentioned is another factor, and still another one is the number of waveforms available (the C64 has more for music while the Atari has more for sound effects), and ADSR envelope generation (for shaping the sound), which the C64's SID sound chip does automatically for each voice independently, while the Atari's POKEY sound chip can emulate this feature but only with a lot of work being done by the CPU and software.
what about the sega master system?
I don't think that console ever gained any traction in the USA
It wasn't that popular in North America. In fact about 70 percent of the games from the SMS library were never even released over here.
Even disregarding where it was popular and where it was not; just go to 3:12. How many of those games were released on the Master System?
Being a bit later system, early '80s arcade games weren't really its main-forte.
@@Horzuhammer also is more like a 16/8 bit console, not a pure 8 bit console.
@@TheSuperPlayer707 Please explain how?
The XEGS is an underrated system, great video :)
It's just a bit under the NES in graphic quality though. Perfectly fine on its own terms, but do a head to head comparison of the two systems for any game they both had, and I think the XEGS only wins with Joust.
What about the Sega Master System? You didn't mention that 8-bit console at all.
Though I'm not sure how many arcade games it had, it had excellent sound and graphics.
Also, I noticed that Galaga was missing from every single console, but it was available on the NES (thanks TENGEN).
Amy carter the atari 7800 had Galaga I know it does I have it!
The Master System would have had few arcade games because it came out in 1986. A lot of Sega's early 80s arcade games came out on the Atari 2600, Colecovision, etc then, but by the mid-late 1980s Sega was interested in offering newer experiences to compete with the NES.
Whereas the 7800 also came out in 1986, but had 2600 backward compatibility. Smart move on Atari's part, not only could many people play their old library of 2600 games but they could also play the new 2600 games that came out all the way until 1990. (That's right, the Atari 2600 and the Sega Dreamcast were produced IN THE SAME DECADE!)
December 28, 2018 4:45 am
@@dodgeramsport01 True
Amy Carter the atari 7800 had Galaga!
First video I watched from you. Ahhh, the good old days...
The Intellivision console had a few arcade games that was especially made for Mattel: Lock'n'Chase, Burgertime, Bump'n'Jump, Mission X.
Dandy for the 800 was great 4 player game
The inspiration for Gauntlet!
The more footage I see, the more I think I'd be interested in a 7800, bad sound aside.
7800 had tremendous capability that was never exploited by the programmers at the time due to the crazy market at the time. It had too few games released for it and the ones that were, were rushed and low quality given the power of that system. :(
Please do a video on dial up bbs.
Julian H yaas
Treasure of Tarmin was great on my Intellivision, still have it too.
Criteria to consider should be:
Use of Video Buffer for Graphics (tricky or otherwise)
Use of total ram/rom available to the carts per system
Gameplay quality between platform releases (leads to what the system has to offer overall)
Was the SEGA Master System that hard to obtain in the US? When it comes to cartridge prices and library, it is en par with the 2600 and has much better sound than this one, and the Master System I even has composite out.
My Master System was $47 in 2006, no box (well, it came in the store's box but not the original 1980s box) but it did come with all the hookups and 2 free boxed games. They aren't that hard to find over here, although you coud probably expect to cough up about 100 bucks nowadays for what I got for 47 bucks 17 years ago.
February 8, 2023 9:55 am
In fairness, several of the listed games (Choplifter, Jumpman, H.E.R.O., Lode Runner, Miner 2049er, Montezuma's Revenge, Pitstop, River Raid) were either never arcade games, or were ports of the computer/console originals that were then often essentially unknown in arcades and thus not "arcade classics" by the strictest definition.
Also, it may be a little unfair to ding a platform for having a good arcade port that just happens to be purposefully misnamed. For example, the Vic-20 may not have a "Space Invaders" but if you go hunting for "Vic Avenger" on UA-cam, you will be pleasantly surprised.
Asterra2 exactly.
Since his list has included arcade games in 1984, so why not Paper boy and Kung-fu Master?
And the MasterSystem???
geniwab U mean the sega master system ? Lawl every Sega console was a piece of shit (wihout Sega genesis/megadrive - Sega Genesis was the shit)
I ensure you that compared to an Atari 2600 the Master System was a master piece of technology...
Nik I bet you've never even played the Master System, it had many games that destroyed the NES. And in Europe it blew the NES away in sales.
I own both. (the same consoles i owned in my youth, never sold them) and i preferred the Master system. Games where better, the console was superior. never know why it wasnt as succesfull
Because of the games, Master System had better graphics but the games were less atractive than the ones at NES, and the catalog on NES was a lot larger. But both machines were really impressive for the time they were created.
What about Master System?
Yeah, I missed the SMS too
Because it was not a success in North America
He's talking from a North American standpoint, and less than a quarter of the game library was released over here
Right but the TI-99 had Parsec so it's the clear winner by a landslide.
I loved that game. XD
Hey, if you're throw the 'technically' gauntlet down, you should know that the Intellivision is 'technically' a 16-bit console, too. Specifically, it has 16-bit registers & a 16-bit address bus, with 10-bit instructions.
I think he was specifically referring to graphically
Vectrex wasn't on this list but, I would like to mention it was ahead of its time. Amazing system.
Yeah, but as much as I love the Vectrex (I actually have a working one) there weren't many official arcade classics on it, but a lot of CLONES. He was specifically referring to official ports.
Wizard Gaming Yes many games
Tomy Power
But little to no OFFICIAL arcade conversions which this video was actually about
Console gaming was never about supporting large variety of popular titles, it's what PC does. Consoles main feature was and still is in exclusive masterpiece titles that a given console can acquire. Most of the people (including very young ones) would prefer NES to every other system on this list, maybe just to play Mario Bros and some either titles. Also retro gaming doesn't have to suffer from very primitive graphics like the first gen Atari, so those consoles are mostly for nostalgic purposes these days.
That's actually what I'm planning the next episode in this miniseries to be about...
Nes came out a bit later, and was end ofthat era. 16 bit was in the arcades, I looked down on the nes, as I had been using the Atari 800 since the early 80s. But when the Sega megadrive came out with 16 bit..
What about the sega master system
ERIK THE WRENCH way after the mentioned consoles and computers.
was not the master system was out with the nes ?
Its 16bit
You're an idiot ! LoL the Sega Genesis is 16 bit . Master system is 8 bit. I know it blows all these other systems away, but it's still an 8 bit system
No shit
You lined out many games which are available on the Japanese Famicom and are perfectly compatible with the NES. They are licensed as a fact. You can play almost all of those games... Actually, the NES is the best gaming platform featured on this episode: Best graphics for games, best sound for games and huge library. Then it would be followed by the C64, I guess...
You can add more arcade games back to the NES through the Famicom, there is a 60 to 72 pin connector adapter....Famicom has Galaxian....
This is in my opinion your best video so far, awesome
Wait a minute! Many of those games on your list were never released in the arcade like H.E.R.O., Jumpman, Miner 2049er, Montezuma's Revenge, Pitfall, Pitstop and River Raid. Some of the games were eventually ported to the arcade but first appeared on Home Computers & consoles like Choplifter & Pitfall II (Which were made by Sega) and Load Runner (which was made by Irem) so I don't understand why they are on your list.
They're still "arcade games", even if they aren't actually arcade games. It's a genre, kind of.
You're wrong. I grew up with arcade games when we only called them as such when they were ported on to a console. Hell even on Wikipedia's list of video games gernes there is so such thing as an "arcade" game.
See, that's why I said "kind of". It's not an official genre like RPGs, adventure games, etc. Look at this: www.quora.com/What-is-the-arcade-video-game-genre
Pitfall 2 and Montezuma's Revenge are nothing like arcade games...
Bryce I remember the '80s & '90s like the back of my hand and I don't remember anyone referring to games like Pitfall & River Raid as an arcade game. As mentioned before all the people I knew only called something an "arcade" game if it was ported to a console. I remember all the oddball terminology that people made up back then (e.g. like how some people I knew then used to call cartridges "cassettes") and never heard anyone referring to them as an arcade game.
sad that Amstrad CPC6128 is not in the list :(
This is comparing cartridge based systems. The CPC6128 had disks. You'd have to consider either the Amstrad GX4000 or the 6128plus. There were just 18 GX4000 games none of which are the games on the list he's looking for. Nice system but wrong place to compare it.
Great video. I collect for the 7800and colecovision. Two of my favorites.
Yess, Atari 8-bit for the win! I played the Atari 800 as a kid, and being able to play four player Asteroids was awesome! It had all kinds of different modes and options which actually kept the game fun.