COMPLETE TILE RE-ROOF (PART 1)

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    In this video COMPLETE TILE RE-ROOF (PART 1), Will takes you through a step by step roof replacement, as usual he gives you roofing tips along the way. We show you how to strip an old roof by removing the old roof lath, removing old roof tiles and then show you the process of felting a roof and fixing new roof lath before laying new roof tiles.
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  • @G_Silent
    @G_Silent 2 роки тому +68

    Never have I thought until I watched this video about the insane amount of work that goes into a house roof. Now I have huge respect for the people who do this.

    • @erhanhusseyin5071
      @erhanhusseyin5071 Рік тому +2

      Thats a fairly large roof. A typical roof, as long as you have everything ready should take no more then 5 days depending on man power

    • @bill5608
      @bill5608 5 місяців тому

      @@erhanhusseyin5071that’s no big roof when u get 400m2 roofs that’s when it takes 5 days never should it take 3 weeks for a tile roof metal is the go

    • @que98
      @que98 7 днів тому

      @@bill5608 2 weeks spend waitng for a time without rain lmao

  • @stevenodonnell6318
    @stevenodonnell6318 3 роки тому +44

    Been a roofer since I left school over 20 years ago and it's nice to see some one who actually takes there time and has a bit of pride in their work as opposed to majority who just slap it on and don't give a fuck how it looks, keep it up lads and good luck going forward

    • @ExtremeShez
      @ExtremeShez 3 роки тому +5

      It is a masterclass to watch Will and the team do this roof.
      Build A & E should be teaching the next generation of Construction Workers. ❤

    • @iamarxalan
      @iamarxalan Рік тому

      Can you tell me is there no wind on roof? How do one stay so upright and stable while working on roof?

    • @Mightbeyourdad
      @Mightbeyourdad Рік тому +1

      @@iamarxalan have you ever been outside

    • @iamarxalan
      @iamarxalan Рік тому

      @@Mightbeyourdad I live in Canada and not in UK thats why I was wondering.

    • @CrazyBenny
      @CrazyBenny 10 місяців тому

      Exactly. Hard to find these days.

  • @melissaduffy574
    @melissaduffy574 2 роки тому +9

    It was actually satisfying watching this video of professionals taking pride in their work and showing how its done properly. Alot of respect for the amount of work that goes into a proper roofing job.

  • @inf0r
    @inf0r Рік тому +4

    Not only clearly a very professional company doing a proper job, but made it interesting and engaging throughout, great work

  • @MrGlenfraser
    @MrGlenfraser 3 роки тому +4

    Great Video Tony, its always a pleasure to watch Wills and the teams work with roofing and also helpful.

    • @BuildWithAE
      @BuildWithAE  3 роки тому +1

      Glad you enjoyed it Glen 👍

  • @jamjami8760
    @jamjami8760 6 місяців тому

    I've watched this series several times now. Having a roof replaced soon, really valuable seeing the stages. Thanks for capturing it, great work.

  • @rossross8668
    @rossross8668 6 місяців тому +1

    Such clear communication. Captured my interest from beginning to end.

  • @russ623
    @russ623 2 роки тому

    Great to see someone take pride in their work. Well done!

  • @jodzilla3000
    @jodzilla3000 3 роки тому

    Great vid! Has given me some extra confidence to complete an upcoming task. Thankyou

  • @carldaniel3155
    @carldaniel3155 2 роки тому

    WOW, incredible work. Just perfect - really impressed.

  • @jimsjoinery7228
    @jimsjoinery7228 3 роки тому +7

    Great to see professional tradesmen taking pride in the work and going the extra mile to make sure the jobs done right. Not enough quality tradespeople around anymore . Love the channel

  • @donaldwesley913
    @donaldwesley913 2 роки тому

    Incredible video, shows the amount of work been put into roofing

  • @jeffyoung321
    @jeffyoung321 3 роки тому +4

    Awsome job as usual guys, well done.

  • @lilyly6816
    @lilyly6816 Рік тому

    This is a really well filmed video. Incredibly informative

  • @joshuaainsworth3909
    @joshuaainsworth3909 7 місяців тому

    Invaluable tips and workmanship greatly appreciated

  • @luckyal_syd
    @luckyal_syd 3 роки тому +5

    Good to see master craftsmen at work! How long would you expect this to last for?

  • @indis4672
    @indis4672 3 роки тому +2

    Keep up the informative videos - greatly appreciated.

  • @bogdanvelica
    @bogdanvelica Рік тому +1

    It's impossible not to say awesome f..king work! Good job!

  • @mr.critic
    @mr.critic Рік тому +1

    Beautiful work.

  • @tobybeswick36
    @tobybeswick36 3 роки тому +4

    i love how those tiled valleys look, way better than lead. It's great to see how much pride you take in your work, nice straight lines and everything done the right way

  • @CARLIN4737
    @CARLIN4737 Рік тому +1

    Like a work of art.

  • @PartridgeExteriorCleaning
    @PartridgeExteriorCleaning 3 роки тому

    you guys are killing it well done. great videos

  • @maskeman1
    @maskeman1 3 роки тому +4

    looks awesome! question - what about the ventilation underneath the tiles. ? is it not needed ?

  • @Barearse69
    @Barearse69 3 роки тому

    Quality trades men. Lovely to see you do a cracking job.

  • @AndrewRobinson-ee7um
    @AndrewRobinson-ee7um 3 роки тому +3

    Damn! If I had my time again, I’d be a roofer. Marvellous vid. Thank you.

    • @thetallcarpenter
      @thetallcarpenter 3 роки тому +3

      All the roofers I know are really cool guys. They seem to have an, 'easy', attitude and are hard grafters. Its got to be something to do with being outdoors all the time and they are a fairly hardy bunch.💪

  • @keithpilkington4682
    @keithpilkington4682 3 роки тому

    Nice work men and ace team good luck 👍

  • @siebensunden
    @siebensunden 2 роки тому

    Nice work, gentlemen. I was surprised you didn't use contra laths / cross laths (I don't know how to espress it in English, because it's not my native language). I used to be roofer myself for three years and everytime we started nailing contra lath on the roof membrane to create ventilation gaps between roof membrane and the horizontal laths holding the tiles.

  • @cooking.with.rob.official
    @cooking.with.rob.official 3 роки тому

    Will is the top boy. Great work 👌🏼🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿👍🏼

  • @johnbrookshull
    @johnbrookshull 3 роки тому

    How pleasing on the eye are them valleys. Top work gents

    • @BuildWithAE
      @BuildWithAE  3 роки тому

      Thanks for watching John! 👍

  • @mikebryan544
    @mikebryan544 Рік тому +1

    Cracking video, my roof is clay rosemary and maybe do myself, straight forward gable

  • @rsg666
    @rsg666 3 роки тому

    Its amazing how we all do things differently. We dont use cemented hips and verge anymore up here. If dry systems are installed correctly, they're maintenance free ...

  • @colestevens6629
    @colestevens6629 10 місяців тому

    Good job on the video and great work on the roof to!

  • @philipjones9297
    @philipjones9297 3 роки тому +1

    Work of art

  • @amazing451
    @amazing451 3 роки тому

    Hi all at A&E when laying out the roof battens do you have to work it out from the bottom or in the case of the back of the chimney, as seem's to be done here?

  • @lindabeam7324
    @lindabeam7324 Рік тому

    I really enjoyed that lol! I didn't know roofs could be so interesting! Haha

  • @petereyre5188
    @petereyre5188 3 роки тому

    Awesome work boys 👌👌👌🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

    • @BuildWithAE
      @BuildWithAE  3 роки тому

      Thanks for watching Peter! 👍

  • @DallasBoricua
    @DallasBoricua 2 роки тому +1

    Large job well thought out.

  • @gregbrassington2120
    @gregbrassington2120 2 роки тому

    Great work 👍

  • @M1Y4MUS4SH1
    @M1Y4MUS4SH1 2 роки тому

    very good job guys..and very good team work.

    • @BuildWithAE
      @BuildWithAE  2 роки тому +1

      Hi Nikos! Thanks for watching! Have an awesome week 👍

    • @M1Y4MUS4SH1
      @M1Y4MUS4SH1 2 роки тому

      @@BuildWithAE u too ..all..

  • @fredmurphy7950
    @fredmurphy7950 3 роки тому

    Hey will can I ask u a quick question I'm in ireland n we dnt do clay tiles or valleys like that over hear at all,do u line out the roof for the tiles vertically or just just lay as u go

  • @bobbyprivate
    @bobbyprivate 3 роки тому

    Great video. The time-lapse helps you see the complete transformation. Brilliant job!

  • @Roofer89
    @Roofer89 3 роки тому

    This bloke is at the top of his game respect ✊🏼

    • @BuildWithAE
      @BuildWithAE  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks Mark!! 👍

    • @Roofer89
      @Roofer89 3 роки тому

      @@BuildWithAE my pleasure !

  • @safurasanusi3133
    @safurasanusi3133 11 місяців тому

    This are workers. They master all what they are doing. They are very very courageous. I have a lot of respect for them. Not only its expensive to roof a House but thé worker need à high salary.

  • @noahproblemo1257
    @noahproblemo1257 3 роки тому +2

    Once again, a lesson in craftsmanship. Love these videos.

    • @BuildWithAE
      @BuildWithAE  3 роки тому

      Glad you like them Noah! Take care 👍

  • @brickrightbuildinglandscaping
    @brickrightbuildinglandscaping 3 роки тому +1

    Will really good easy to listen to video your a natural mate enjoyed that and the work is top notch as usual. Have a nice weekend
    Justin 👍

    • @BuildWithAE
      @BuildWithAE  3 роки тому +1

      Hi Justin thanks man means a lot, silt trap is the way forward but I was looking forward to the gully idea never done that before all the best Tony 👍 learn something new every day

    • @brickrightbuildinglandscaping
      @brickrightbuildinglandscaping 3 роки тому +1

      Yep and ive learnt so much watching videos ive never been on Facebook or UA-cam or anything before until 6months ago and im amazed at the standard and how much i can learn and people are willing to help aswell so its great Tony. I dont even no how to edit or timelapse yet im a real dinosaur. Videos like yours are inspiring to me mate im blown away by your team and quality and the knowledge you guys have ive a long road to walk to get anywhere near that but ill keep walking🤣
      Have nice weekend mate all your videos are great you should be proud of the entire team .
      Justin 👍

    • @BuildWithAE
      @BuildWithAE  3 роки тому

      Hi Justin you are doing an amazing job and you have no walk yo walk we are equal you have love and passion for are industry and it shows in your videos have a awesome weekend Tony 👍

    • @brickrightbuildinglandscaping
      @brickrightbuildinglandscaping 3 роки тому

      @@BuildWithAE
      Thanks Tony you to mate 👍

  • @martinbrice9802
    @martinbrice9802 3 роки тому +8

    Wills a legend love your videos mate always well explained real professional. Why did you paint the rafter feet black btw they on show? Would of been great to see the whole set up marking out the battens and setting up 1st rows but I know you boys are busy appreciate all you same 👍🏽

  • @P4K1R4MB0
    @P4K1R4MB0 2 роки тому

    Hey, great work, I have a question, if u can help, can you build a wood structure on a flat concrete roof, thx

  • @bobmartin5101
    @bobmartin5101 3 роки тому

    Beautiful roof that one. Great video.

  • @silvershoes9724
    @silvershoes9724 3 роки тому

    I am not a roofer. Actually, I’m afraid of heights and so this would definitely be the wrong career choice for me… I don’t know the first thing about roofing. However, thanks to the UA-cam algorithm, this has come up in my suggestions at nearly half past midnight and it’s really quite satisfying to watch😁😁 nice roof😀

  • @glassfibrespecialists.
    @glassfibrespecialists. 3 роки тому

    Old school. love your style.

    • @BuildWithAE
      @BuildWithAE  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks, have a great week 👍

  • @gdfggggg
    @gdfggggg Рік тому

    Very nice!

  • @RpR_Makes
    @RpR_Makes 2 роки тому

    Does will work in Staffordshire as I have a farmhouse that needs roof repairs. Interesting project

  • @thetallcarpenter
    @thetallcarpenter 3 роки тому +3

    Will is clearly a great roofer, and great in front of the camera.🤩 I've got a great tip for cutting those rafter feet, super accurate and super fast.👊 I liked the, 'chop, chop lads', getting the roof covered back in quick after it had been exposed.😃 Great stuff as always.

    • @martinbrice9802
      @martinbrice9802 3 роки тому +2

      Hi mate please tell us your secret always love a tip 😁😁

    • @thetallcarpenter
      @thetallcarpenter 3 роки тому +1

      @@martinbrice9802 Hi Martin. Line up all, (or 20 at a time), the lengths of timber that have been cut to the desired length. (looked about 600mm in the video). Then stack them tightly together, (the widest dimension vertically), on that lovely flat work bench by screwing the end two down into the bench. (you could also drive some wedges in between one of these to really pack all the others in tight, or a pair of long sash clamps would be idea) Now, pressuming that the bench is nice and flat, (if its not you could run battenes under each edge, not dissimilar to the jig in the video), and the timber is all the same size, you then mark your birdsmouth position on each end one and draw this line across the top of all of the stacked pieces. Now you set your circular saw to the pitch of the roof and its depth to the depth of the plumb cut, and just run it down one of the lines. Now set the saw to the seat cut, and its depth, and run it down the other line. BOOM. What you end up with is a load of stacked lengths of timber with a groove cut through them.😎 A 45 degree roof be the easiest, and this method would be limited to maximum angle your saw could be set to. (most saws now go over to 55 dgrees, so this would work with pitches down to 35 degrees). Super fast and super accurate.👍 I hope I've made sense.

    • @TheToolnut
      @TheToolnut 3 роки тому +1

      @@thetallcarpenter Have you ever heard of Larry Haun?

    • @thetallcarpenter
      @thetallcarpenter 3 роки тому

      @@TheToolnut Hi. That is a name I've seen mentioned a few times. I presume he's worth checking out?👍

    • @TheToolnut
      @TheToolnut 3 роки тому

      @@thetallcarpenter ua-cam.com/users/Larry Haun. One of the greats, 👍

  • @SteveAndAlexBuild
    @SteveAndAlexBuild 3 роки тому +1

    Love the valley detail 😍👌🏼🧱👍🏼

    • @BuildWithAE
      @BuildWithAE  3 роки тому +1

      Hi Guys much appreciated Steve and Alex, Air bags ordered Martin all the best Tony 👍 have a awesome weekend

    • @SteveAndAlexBuild
      @SteveAndAlexBuild 3 роки тому +1

      @@BuildWithAE 😁🧱👍🏽

  • @rayye8231
    @rayye8231 3 роки тому +1

    That's brilliant work. How much does it cost for a job this size in uk??

  • @Whalebone471
    @Whalebone471 3 роки тому

    Good bit of work 💪

  • @fayesang4035
    @fayesang4035 10 годин тому

    You are amazing , Artistic Roofers A&E Company.

  • @D4Dk83
    @D4Dk83 3 роки тому

    Workmanship 👌🏼

  • @ooi832
    @ooi832 3 роки тому

    Tiled valleys look class never seen that before

    • @BuildWithAE
      @BuildWithAE  3 роки тому

      Thanks for watching, have an awesome week 👍

  • @ashku27
    @ashku27 3 роки тому +1

    Loving the tunes

  • @gl5242
    @gl5242 3 роки тому

    Love you’re work 👌

    • @BuildWithAE
      @BuildWithAE  3 роки тому

      Much appreciated GL! Have a great week 👍

    • @gl5242
      @gl5242 3 роки тому

      @@BuildWithAE when a job is greatly done, as a master ! Then the truth must be said. I’m also in this sector in Belgium. Nice work 👍

  • @mattcartwright8272
    @mattcartwright8272 3 роки тому +4

    Loved the dubstep - like being in Fabric, back in the 90's!

  • @julietobasuyi6150
    @julietobasuyi6150 Рік тому

    Impressive!!!

  • @sharonhill7291
    @sharonhill7291 2 роки тому

    How do you clean heavy concrete dust all over entire newly fitted tile roof as just now it’s light grey looking and I’ve been told rain will wash this away but I’ve hosed it and still looks chalky grey ( not nice) appreciate any information

  • @stevensingh1454
    @stevensingh1454 3 роки тому

    Hi will I’ve got a large area of flat roof what do think I should consider on my options of repairing it.It’s in very poor condition and has many re felt repairs.
    Would you consider a rubber option or maybe putting a small pitch on it and tiling it. Thanks Steve.

    • @BuildWithAE
      @BuildWithAE  3 роки тому

      Hi Steven it’s up to you you will know what’s right all the best Tony 👍

  • @chendii
    @chendii 9 місяців тому

    big tune

  • @terencechan6424
    @terencechan6424 Рік тому

    great video

  • @wolfman1549
    @wolfman1549 3 роки тому

    Will is the man

    • @BuildWithAE
      @BuildWithAE  3 роки тому

      He's a top bloke, thanks for watching Joe 👍

  • @stephencracknell5077
    @stephencracknell5077 3 роки тому +8

    Pity the client never opted for a bonnet tile, would have complimented the valley and softened the hips, great video all the same.

    • @raybans8712
      @raybans8712 3 роки тому

      I’m always glad when they go for a ridge on anything with more than 4 sides, less stress about getting all the rows to marry up

  • @jmpompey1
    @jmpompey1 3 роки тому +1

    What happens if it starts raining whilst the tiles are off, do you quickly cover it up?

  • @markhope4993
    @markhope4993 Рік тому +1

    Retired American roofer slate is great.....

  • @peterdavis3113
    @peterdavis3113 2 роки тому

    Top tips

  • @Cragman75
    @Cragman75 2 роки тому

    nice work )

  • @richard290580
    @richard290580 3 роки тому +1

    Nice work

  • @semperf1dude
    @semperf1dude Рік тому

    so impressive

  • @MarcusT86
    @MarcusT86 3 роки тому

    What GoPro settings do you use for outdoor time lapse? Particularly the ISO Min and ISO Max!
    Great vid again guys!

    • @BuildWithAE
      @BuildWithAE  3 роки тому

      Roughly for outside filming on timelapse I'd say ISO Min at 100 and Max 800. Even on auto the GoPro's do a decent job adjusting to changing light conditions. Thanks for watching Marcus - take care buddy 👍

    • @MarcusT86
      @MarcusT86 3 роки тому

      @@BuildWithAE thanks guys!
      I ended up just taking real time shots to put in a compilation 😁

  • @markhoulding1938
    @markhoulding1938 3 роки тому

    Top job 👍

  • @aroidpapa
    @aroidpapa 2 роки тому

    our landlord hired some people to re tile the roof and I wanted to ask, is dropping stuff on the existing roof a normal procedure?

  • @muradbali
    @muradbali 3 роки тому +1

    What's the rule on nailing, tiles which interlock, is it every other row?

  • @stevereeman9425
    @stevereeman9425 2 роки тому +1

    Isn't there supposed to be a minimum of a 10mm sag on the felt between rafters on an unsupported roof?

  • @andypag1071
    @andypag1071 Місяць тому

    Can you do a video showing how you get the tiles off without breaking them? Does it matter if you make the holes bigger?

  • @bluesteele2235
    @bluesteele2235 Рік тому +1

    These guys are definitely pro's, wonder how much this costed

  • @tigerman558
    @tigerman558 17 днів тому

    At 8:20 no commentary, but noticed he puts in double layer of tiles probably to lift the final tile above the gutter. The underside has a batten fixed just under the last batten and has a tile cut and nailed to match the tile length above it. Starts with a tile and half from the hip up to the valley with a 45 degree cut to meet the tile on the other side. All are then covered by the last tile above. Membrane is over hanging but with eaves support tray can be cut flush with last tile to prevent UV degradation. The tray will deliver the rainwater into the gutter.

  • @diamondavey
    @diamondavey 7 місяців тому

    what do you have to do if you rip the membain once you've but all the batons on

  • @kanebunce1004
    @kanebunce1004 2 роки тому

    Nice work not shaw were you are here in perth WA we do thing a little bit different like we use tile cunters not grinders an top ridges should never cut here in aus

  • @user-lg6cq4wi7m
    @user-lg6cq4wi7m 3 роки тому

    Really nice 👍🏿

  • @joedefloat7802
    @joedefloat7802 3 роки тому

    Great job lads no surprise there ,But you never explained how you are able to control the weather.👍👍👍👍

  • @mde1953
    @mde1953 3 роки тому

    Top quality.

  • @LaneLone
    @LaneLone 10 місяців тому

    I'm a 21 year old roofer in training in Germany and I find it fascinating to see how other countries build their roofs. Nontheless it looks really good. I just love the craft

    • @Starwars0405
      @Starwars0405 9 місяців тому +2

      You Germans do some really nice slate work. Someone told me that German roofers have to do years of training before they're even allowed on a roof. Is that true?

    • @LaneLone
      @LaneLone 9 місяців тому

      @@Starwars0405 I can't speak for all roofing businesses in Germany but at least for mine it was different. I had a 2 week internship where I was watching my colleagues how they move on the roof. During that time it was not allowed for me to go on the roof. After the 2 weeks I was a helper for a few months and they let me go on the roof. Now I'm in training. So it was just for my internship. The only reason why I was not allowed on the roof was because I had no accident insurance which is a must have. Otherwise you are mostly useless when you're not on the roof.

    • @Starwars0405
      @Starwars0405 9 місяців тому +1

      @LaneLone my friend was probably exaggerating 😂

  • @neilhowarth9362
    @neilhowarth9362 3 роки тому

    Top job will

  • @NoName-qj2bi
    @NoName-qj2bi 3 роки тому

    I was quoted for a reroof of a detached standard 3 bed house..
    7,500 euro ...membrane batton and slate included.
    How much abouts does a roofer make on a job like this.?

  • @mozzie1986
    @mozzie1986 3 роки тому +1

    Is there any reason why you wouldn’t reuse the old tile that aren’t broken and replace with new? Just asking as I’m currently getting quotes thanks good vid

  • @tinkletoesrus
    @tinkletoesrus 2 роки тому

    whats you timelaps settings bud i want to have a go on a reroof tom but dont want to balls it up. how many pictures per second do you take ?

    • @BuildWithAE
      @BuildWithAE  2 роки тому

      We usually set it onto Timelapse video mode my friend, that way it creates the timelapse into a video file and it's much easier to work with in editing. 😊👍

  • @deanchapple1
    @deanchapple1 3 роки тому +3

    Nice to see Rik wearing safety specs and ear defenders while using the grinder. Health and safety at its finest.

  • @jooonsRC
    @jooonsRC Рік тому

    What is the plastic sheeting under the roof tiles

  • @anthonyworthington6495
    @anthonyworthington6495 3 роки тому +1

    Wow,must be one of the best roofers in the country, master class,how would they have done all those cuts in the day before electric tools🤔,have a good weekend every one at AandE

    • @BuildWithAE
      @BuildWithAE  3 роки тому +2

      Alot of time and patience I can imagine. Makes you think though doesn't it bud? Have a great week! 👍

    • @anthonyworthington6495
      @anthonyworthington6495 3 роки тому

      @@kekkamush4538 credit were credits due my friend 😁

  • @oldbiff8194
    @oldbiff8194 3 роки тому

    Great video, but why no plywood sheeting?

  • @LeedsChris1
    @LeedsChris1 2 роки тому

    one thing i noticed you missed the black ventilation under the felt so when the insulation touches the felt it doesn't condensate

  • @wandango5913
    @wandango5913 3 роки тому

    Looks like quality workmanship, I’m guessing when ‘reroofing’ it can’t be relaid with the old tiles?

    • @LC-qi5ff
      @LC-qi5ff 3 роки тому

      It can if the tiles are still in decent condition

  • @xxMRBUNDYxx
    @xxMRBUNDYxx Рік тому

    Our building is roughly similar to this what price are you looking at roughly for this?