It's pretty impressive that you've gone to the trouble to learn all about architectural structures, terminology, and form - further than just symbols and carvings. Not many people go this far in theory videos about any game, never mind LoZ. You have my blessing as an architect 🫡😊
@@MoxieWatts Amazing. I very much feel that if you keep this standard of analysis of Architecture and Design for future videos, it will unlock a super strong understanding of the lore and set you ahead of others. Architecture in lore and world building is underrated. I find that Dark Souls is another game that integrates architecture in very well :)
The Zelda theory community needs more diversity in it's theory crafting instead of being the echo chamber of self fulfilling ideas it is. Liking your Zelda videos, please keep it up
For some reason I never considered that that canyon could be the result of an excavation, it seems so obvious now. The forgotten temple being the old temple of time is also something I never considered, I've always really stuck to the idea of it being the sealed temple and the lore books simply being retconned, but I really like your idea here! It would make a lot of sense given the location. 2 things though: 1: The Goddess Sword became the Master Sword, the mention on the wiki about them both existing at the same time is talking about a temporary period. It follows a clear path from its creation to its reforging to its travel to the past and placement, there isn't really any room for it to duplicate. I know the point of the series is heavy speculation (and you acknowledged that the Goddess Sword might not still exist) and time travel can be pretty weird in Zelda, but I figured I'd point that out since imo the Goddess Sword still existing goes contrary to the events of the game, and would require a notable explanation if it showed up again somehow. 2: We don't know for sure that Demise's consciousness is still inside the Master Sword. Impa said she was sticking around to watch over the seal as Demise's consciousness decayed, and when you return in the future, Impa dies in a way similar to the Sheika monks in BotW who have fulfilled their purpose. I think it would be reasonable to conclude that Impa also fulfilled her purpose, meaning that Demise's consciousness is likely gone now (if it wasn't, wouldn't she tell someone?). In this case, I do think the theory about him still being in the Master Sword is possible and could be cool, but it's definitely still a theory at this point and I think it's important to clarify that. Anyway these are just my thoughts, I don't mean to be a stick in the mud about lore since I know theorizing should just be a fun time in the end and not too serious. Thanks for making these videos!
That was my thought when researching this subject. It is SOOOO obvious. When I started writing about this subject, I was also coming from the bias of it was the Sealed Temple, considering the evidence that Zeltik proposed. 1. I totally agree with you. The Goddess Sword still existing is highly unlikely, but I felt it was worth mentioning considering the theory about the Master Sword I released and the connections to the Goddess Statue from Skyward Sword. It would have felt wrong to exclude this possible conclusion. 2. Okay so this is out there, but I have some evidence he could still be in there from something recently brought to my attention. On page 167 of Creating a Champion, "The Master Sword is the only blade of its kind in this world. It was damaged during the Guardians assault during the Great Calamity as Link fled with Princess Zelda." The concept art supports my claim, the third image in it shows medium damage and covered in Malice. This is how it appears in the memories. It's worth noting that the Malace attracting to the blade could invite the possibility of Demise still existing in it. I like the second theory more, but both the goddess Sword and the Guardian factory could both theoretically be true at the same time. Most of my theories are probably not possible or not true. But I feel like they need to be suggested for the dialogue we are sharing right now. I'm just opening the space for what is possible to expand your mind a little. 😊
Sheikah tech being powered by time shift stones make so much sense. The preservation of the sheikah monks, the time gates, the guardians, but most importantly, the little egg guardian from age of calamity. If he’s powered by the time shift stones, it would make a lot of sense as to why he was able to travel through time like he did. 10/10 theory work
... did not occur to me that this would explain the egg guardian from AoC. Holy shit. That always felt like contrived bullshit (which, for the record, I had no problem with because AoC is fun), but now maybe it isn't even that.
Definitely wasn't joking about it being a big one haha. I personally like the theory about ganon being sealed there. The small amount of knowledge about the location and how it is certainly bigger than what we can explore certainly allows it to be more open ended for tear of the kingdom. Perhaps link let zelda know about the monks telling him to go there and that's what promps the infamous cave exploration trailer. Once again another set of great theories! Can't wait for when the next game comes out and you get even more to talk about.
Dude thank you so much. I didn't mention the Temple could be connected to the Castle through an underground set of caves, because I felt like that was pretty far out there. I CANNOT WAIT for ToTK...it's gonna be a big one, I can feel it. I really hope this place turns out to be the Guardian Factory. 🤯
12:53 if it was indeed going to be named that, it could connect it to tomb of the first king of hyrule from minish cap, Gustaf, this is where he was buried and where the hero of minish gained the ability to make his way to the sky, If I remember correctly in minish cap the region in which the tomb rested was called "The royal valley" or something along the lines of that, and what was directly to the left of the royal Vallely? That's right Mount cernal, and what is to the left of the forgotten temple? That's right mount hylia! Perhaps they are connected in some way
@Moxie Watts thanks! I will let u know if I find any more evidence. Do you, by chance, have a discord server. That could be easier than the yt comment section.
I love the fact that this isn't a theory about how this "Has to be the sealed grounds." I'm good with the statue being moved, or being entirely different. I've pointed out that there is a major lack of dome, on his structure. I do think it's worth looking at the other end of the canyon, though. The 8th heroine is pointing in the direction of the forgotten temple, and I think the canyon looks to have been a collapse, into the very caves you mention.
I'm so glad someone else sees the Forgotten Temple as the old Temple of Time. So many people don't see it, and I get dismissed left right and centre. Zeltik's theory video that it's the Sealed Temple is great, but even at my most convinced, I had major doubts.
Okay, no joke, as you were talking about hidden factory under the Forgotten Temple, I thought "what if, crazy theory, if Ganon's body was hidden there? Maybe to throw off enemies because why would you put the body near a factory with that much tech?" and then you spoke that out. Maybe I'm not that strange in my thoughts hah!
I personally beleve that the mumyfied body of Ganondorf lies deeeeeap under hyrole castle. I also love the idea of the lanayru mines becoming a Guardian production facilety and I hope this idea makes it in to tears of the kingdom. Perhaps pard of defeating Ganondorf's grand army of the damed wuld bee reastarting the Guardian factory and equiping brave woriors of hyrole with ainchent Sheikah teck
Tysm for every single one of your videos! You've helped me understand so many stuff and your theories are always super interesting! I hope you the very bests of lucks with your channel!
Thank you Beans! These comments always mean a lot to me because I was scared to make videos. I thought people would not like my voice. So thank you for soothing my anxiety. 😌
This sounds mind blowing- but I must say that the Master Sword doesn’t/can’t necessarily be destroyed by the Goddess’s Sword because, let’s remember, the Master Sword IS the Goddess’s Sword. In Skyward Sword we start with the Goddess’s Swords but as we progress and have the sword blessed with the sacred flames it turns INTO the Master Sword, so this names don’t speak of 2 different objects, but one in 2 different stages. Still I am mind blown with the speculations made in this video, keep it up with the awesome content!
True story. I found this temple after some aimless exploration before I completed the shrines. I got my ass handed to me by all the guardians, so I stayed away until I had enough lightning arrows to fight my way through them. This was before I knew about the ancient weapons or armor. I remember thinking that there was probably something underneath it. I like your theory. Consider me subbed.
@moxiewatts Well, by this time, I had built up my hearts and I actually knew what I was doing. I mean, until the ancient arrows and armor showed me that I knew nothing. Always happy to see a deserving channel grow and earn the recognition it deserves!
So. Finished watching it. I love the Theorie. I hope we will be able to see what the forgotten temple hides from us ins TOTK. I too think that there are some connections with the "ancient" technology from botw and the even more "ancient" technology from sws. Plus I think the Timeshift stones will play a bigger role again. I love how you combined all Thies little dots and the Theory you made up there. Can't wait to find out if you are right.
Taking stuff back in time does not duplicate it, 'cuz it disappears the moment it goes back in time. MAYBE you could win one battle in the present by having your surviving soldiers go back and fight alongside their past selves to double your numbers for a short time, but as soon as their past selves go back in time, you have only the survivors once again. So it is with Guardians, Timeshift Stones, and the Master Sword. When someone travels through time, no copy of themselves remains in the time they traveled from - only their past self.
Thank you so so much!! I feel like the Zonai are so oversaturated at the moment and there are so many good theories already. My favorite is Nintendo Black Crisis's documentary: ua-cam.com/video/mNPTGQGe9RU/v-deo.html However, I was planning on making a video about my thoughts about a month before the release of Tears of the Kingdom.
@@MoxieWatts oh wow i have to check that out! thanks ^^ i honestly just want more of your videos, you have such a knack for talking about theories its a joy to watch and listen to :D
@@big_xakkie That means so much to me 😭You have no idea. I have been working so hard to put as much care into every video. I was inspired by Nintendo Black Crisis, Commonwealth Realm, Zeltik, Hyrule Gamer, and so many others. They definitely gave me concepts to help me build my videos.
I've always thought it was odd that so many Guardians would be placed in such a forgotten and remote location. CaC states that they were placed there to guard and protect the building, but it's never made clear why it needs such heavy protection or any at all. The first time I visited the temple I kept thinking, this can't be all of it. There has to be more. Now, with TotK on the way, if there isn't a dungeon tied to the temple, I'll eat my socks!
I don't know if the canyon was made to be perhaps extended yeah, but look at the dueling peaks its a landmark of nature(usually stronger than people) making damage I would be more leaning towards this if there was some giant machinery scraps, however I think that the place was a "remaster" of tje original given same materials and architecture but without the goddess blessing opening the chance to conduct less than holy activities there granted the location is an arid dessert and that place is "camouflaged" similar to one in the snowy part of the map
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I love your theories. But I do have one gripe with this one which is what you said about Hylia planning things out for the second theory. As far as I know about her (but that really is a whole lot), the goddess Hylia isn't an omniscient god, so she wouldn't know everything that's going to happen 50,000 years from when she put the plan in place. Now, that's not saying that she couldn't have put the plan in place, just that she wouldn't have known all that would happen with it. Which makes sense imo, why would a god that knows everything that will happen, not leave plans of some sort so that the Sheikah could build their guardians in a way that makes them immune to Malice? That's literally the only issue I have with either of the two main theories. Though I will say that the moment you talked about a cave being under the temple, my mind immediately thought of the third theory. XD
Very nice video, I never heard the theory about the sealed temple being the temple of time from Lanauryu before, it makes sense! However I think you under estimate the amount of time between Skyward sword and BOTW. Hylia preparing 50,000 years? Hundreds of thousands would be more accurate. I mean time travel in Skyward sword is already thousands of years, surely as we look at the huge timeline and the way Hyrule castle moves on the map and Temple of Time moving around, gotta be at least a thousand years between games but that doesn't even take into account the gaps in the timeline where new games could fit. Anyway I just don't think the royal family would have any knowledge of the past by the time of BOTW. King Rhoam's past is the 10,000 years ago first battle with the calamity, he wouldn't know about time shift stones, the ocarina of time, the harp, Demise and all of that. They knew the existence of Fi but they didn't know her name or that she's sealed Demise, right? She's just a voice in the sword that's supposed to help the hero. So did they know about the mining facility, time shift stones? No way. Maybe the Sheikah knew about an ancient facility stocked with the stones 10,000 years ago but the royal family likely knew nothing. credit to you though because they likely did cause the canyon that made the lost temple come out from under the surface. As to why those guardians were placed there? Likely by the Sheikah 10,000 years ago to protect a holy site of the Goddess Hylia or to stop people from finding those time shift stones.
I think the statue in the forgotten temple is not the skyloft statue but the statue inside where link learns the harp songs for the flame trials, it resembles the statue's height and proportions a lot more than the super huge skyloft statue
I think that the Royal family figured out the cycle and tried to stop it by imprisoning Gannondorf against his will (meaning that he may not have been evil yet) the shika opposed that decision and lost their rank and got banished which is why half of them turned into the yiga clan. And now gannondorf is trapped underneath gathering energy and about to escape
You actually do get the Goddess sword in Totk...but that's probably due to a time Paradox. I did see a theory that Breath of the Wild is in a branching timeline from Skyward Sword's past, since Link left a completed master sword in the past, meaning there's a spare Goddess Sword.
Short time watcher, first time poster. Could it be possible that the calamity was actually caused by the excavation by the royal family in the first place? Maybe they disturbed something in the lost temple and then tried to cover it up by putting all the guardians there. Then they began gathering the team (Divine Beast heros, Link, and Zelda) because they were afraid of what they had awoken in the temple. Just some thoughts I had while watching and please forgive me if this is not a new theory. I'm still fairly new to the Zelda theorycrafting side of things. I love your videos and the extra bit of personality you put in to them, please keep up the great work!
@@MoxieWatts I'm glad you like it and please feel free to do whatever you want with the idea seeing as how I surely won't make anything useful out of it!
Personally i believe that the guardians might have been in there for a....rather dark reason, during the great calamity people all across hyrule would've run to whatever shelter they could find, including the forgotten temple, unfortunately the guardians are....thorough, especially when fueled with malice
Idk... I think to me it is literally an identical replica of the sealed grounds almost exactly to the detail. I don't know why it wouldn't be. I feel like people are making too much of a big deal around the location being changed, when its been possibly hundreds of thousands or even millions of years since the events in skyward sword. I feel like tectonic plates switching, or perhaps they moved the location of the temple of time to protect the actual sealed grounds. or something. i dunno. I feel like the updrafts coming up from beneath the forgotten temple are definitely from the sealed grounds, which is not only sealing a great evil, but also is literally filled with hot air pockets coming up from under it. It seems pretty clear to me at least. Or the theory that the lost woods and the great plateau switched places at some point, which would make it line up with the actual lore of the temple of time being built on top of the sealed grounds, because it would then line up. something like that. I guess I just don't find this as a very satisfying answer personally. but i appreciate how you looked into these things regardless.
Hi Moxie, I'm an avid Zelda theorist fan and I've been following your videos the last couple days (found out about your channel from that Capt Burgeson collab, super great stuff!!!) and I'm really on board with lots of them. From them I've been branching out to other zeldatubers I hadn't seen before. One reccomendated video that popped up was this one: ua-cam.com/video/8JbRFuFNOFM/v-deo.html by the youtuber Broseph LaCasque, where he talks about the fitting in all the maps of Hyrule. The first video he made, like many others, I noticed he didn't mention the Forgotten Temple. This was the main topic of his 2nd vid (linked above). At 14:00 of his video, he shows a quote from Creating A Champion, that I noticed you hadn't touched on: "The Forgotten Temple was constructed in order to keep a record of the heroes throughout history who aided the royal family of Hyrule in the countless ancient battles against Ganon, who unleashed the Calamity on a recovering world." Similarly, he agrees that the Forgotten Temple cannot be the same Sealed Temple from SS. He more or less sums up with a speculation that the Forgotten Temple was built for the purpose of the above quote, to honor those who fought in the Calamities, as the sage Rauru's Temple of Time was built on the remains of the Sealed Temple. Along with how it all fits with his video of the map aligning, the location of the Forgotten Temple is on opposite ends of where the SS Temple of Time/ Lanayru Mining Facility is located. It is possible it could be a similar facility, but for it to be the same one, would have to mean it traveled via tectonics, etc, or was purposefully moved, North for hundreds-thousands of miles. I highly reccomend the map video, it's really cool and I'd love to hear your thoughts on this!!! Thanks for reading this far 💜✌
ummm wrong province of hyrule.... That factory and gate are in Lanayru which in BotW is just to the northeast of Kakariko and north of Hateno. The map of Skyward sword is more of a "suggestion" of a map. nothing is noted as being below Skyloft but at the end of the game we learn that it is perfectly above the sealed temple. Which is the case on the map only if height is upwards on the map as well as north. In fact Lanayru on the map is flipped, the ocean is to the east of Hyrule and to the south east of the Eldin Province. If you drop into an area and have no sense of direction all directions are the same so the flipping isn't an issue, neither is the false placements. Link simply wasn't able to identify the positions and was going by a relic that looks like a map while being more of a three piece key to portals. The time since the era of Skyloft is so long before BotW that Lanayru probably recovered from the strip mining desertification since that wasn't it's natural state, so rather then it being the Geruda desert I am inclined to say it is the very same Lanayru we see in BotW and since the mine and factory were in a natural low point they are now submerged in the channel of water which passes through Lanayru.
@moxiewatts i added you to discord (even though I hate discord). Maybe, one day, we will be able to talk about some theories. I have so many in my head but due to my sever ADHD I'm incapable of writing them down or thinking one to the end haha. So maybe, a great mind like yours, with the same passion and energy towards Zelda, will be able to help me with some of those and find a new Theory for your videos :D See ya. And keep those videos rolling ❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥 Btw. I'm a 29 years old female, and not a creepy stalker or something. Just a person who genuinely tries to find some Zelda enthusiast, who are willing to talk to me about this game. No one around me, who has played Zelda, is interested in theories. Just in the game in general. :(
Funny you mention ADHD, I am diagnosed and take meds for it everyday. I have to force myself to do stuff like this. I would love more homies to help me with these theories, they can be quite complicated.
@@MoxieWatts oh yes please!!!!!!! I've made a thread in a Zelda forum about them or about the ice leviathan and what or who this could be. Because I'm angry everyone says it's oshus but ote skeleton looks NOTHING like it should look like then.
It's pretty impressive that you've gone to the trouble to learn all about architectural structures, terminology, and form - further than just symbols and carvings. Not many people go this far in theory videos about any game, never mind LoZ. You have my blessing as an architect 🫡😊
Oh hell yes. This is awesome thank you 😍My partner and I took hours researching the terminology.
@@MoxieWatts Amazing. I very much feel that if you keep this standard of analysis of Architecture and Design for future videos, it will unlock a super strong understanding of the lore and set you ahead of others. Architecture in lore and world building is underrated. I find that Dark Souls is another game that integrates architecture in very well :)
Pinned comment, wow thanks 😅😅
The Zelda theory community needs more diversity in it's theory crafting instead of being the echo chamber of self fulfilling ideas it is.
Liking your Zelda videos, please keep it up
I agree we need to let loose a little bit and speculate more, thank you so much for the support. ❤
For some reason I never considered that that canyon could be the result of an excavation, it seems so obvious now. The forgotten temple being the old temple of time is also something I never considered, I've always really stuck to the idea of it being the sealed temple and the lore books simply being retconned, but I really like your idea here! It would make a lot of sense given the location.
2 things though:
1: The Goddess Sword became the Master Sword, the mention on the wiki about them both existing at the same time is talking about a temporary period. It follows a clear path from its creation to its reforging to its travel to the past and placement, there isn't really any room for it to duplicate. I know the point of the series is heavy speculation (and you acknowledged that the Goddess Sword might not still exist) and time travel can be pretty weird in Zelda, but I figured I'd point that out since imo the Goddess Sword still existing goes contrary to the events of the game, and would require a notable explanation if it showed up again somehow.
2: We don't know for sure that Demise's consciousness is still inside the Master Sword. Impa said she was sticking around to watch over the seal as Demise's consciousness decayed, and when you return in the future, Impa dies in a way similar to the Sheika monks in BotW who have fulfilled their purpose. I think it would be reasonable to conclude that Impa also fulfilled her purpose, meaning that Demise's consciousness is likely gone now (if it wasn't, wouldn't she tell someone?). In this case, I do think the theory about him still being in the Master Sword is possible and could be cool, but it's definitely still a theory at this point and I think it's important to clarify that.
Anyway these are just my thoughts, I don't mean to be a stick in the mud about lore since I know theorizing should just be a fun time in the end and not too serious. Thanks for making these videos!
That was my thought when researching this subject. It is SOOOO obvious. When I started writing about this subject, I was also coming from the bias of it was the Sealed Temple, considering the evidence that Zeltik proposed.
1. I totally agree with you. The Goddess Sword still existing is highly unlikely, but I felt it was worth mentioning considering the theory about the Master Sword I released and the connections to the Goddess Statue from Skyward Sword. It would have felt wrong to exclude this possible conclusion.
2. Okay so this is out there, but I have some evidence he could still be in there from something recently brought to my attention. On page 167 of Creating a Champion, "The Master Sword is the only blade of its kind in this world. It was damaged during the Guardians assault during the Great Calamity as Link fled with Princess Zelda." The concept art supports my claim, the third image in it shows medium damage and covered in Malice. This is how it appears in the memories. It's worth noting that the Malace attracting to the blade could invite the possibility of Demise still existing in it.
I like the second theory more, but both the goddess Sword and the Guardian factory could both theoretically be true at the same time. Most of my theories are probably not possible or not true. But I feel like they need to be suggested for the dialogue we are sharing right now. I'm just opening the space for what is possible to expand your mind a little. 😊
Sheikah tech being powered by time shift stones make so much sense. The preservation of the sheikah monks, the time gates, the guardians, but most importantly, the little egg guardian from age of calamity. If he’s powered by the time shift stones, it would make a lot of sense as to why he was able to travel through time like he did. 10/10 theory work
Thank you! I researched so much for this theory ;-;
... did not occur to me that this would explain the egg guardian from AoC. Holy shit. That always felt like contrived bullshit (which, for the record, I had no problem with because AoC is fun), but now maybe it isn't even that.
Definitely wasn't joking about it being a big one haha.
I personally like the theory about ganon being sealed there. The small amount of knowledge about the location and how it is certainly bigger than what we can explore certainly allows it to be more open ended for tear of the kingdom.
Perhaps link let zelda know about the monks telling him to go there and that's what promps the infamous cave exploration trailer.
Once again another set of great theories! Can't wait for when the next game comes out and you get even more to talk about.
Dude thank you so much. I didn't mention the Temple could be connected to the Castle through an underground set of caves, because I felt like that was pretty far out there. I CANNOT WAIT for ToTK...it's gonna be a big one, I can feel it. I really hope this place turns out to be the Guardian Factory. 🤯
@moxiewatts Cannot wait either really hope it opens the door to further wacky theories!
12:53 if it was indeed going to be named that, it could connect it to tomb of the first king of hyrule from minish cap,
Gustaf, this is where he was buried and where the hero of minish gained the ability to make his way to the sky,
If I remember correctly in minish cap the region in which the tomb rested was called "The royal valley" or something along the lines of that, and what was directly to the left of the royal Vallely? That's right Mount cernal, and what is to the left of the forgotten temple?
That's right mount hylia!
Perhaps they are connected in some way
I really like this idea and I am going to try and find evidence to support this idea.
@Moxie Watts thanks!
I will let u know if I find any more evidence.
Do you, by chance, have a discord server. That could be easier than the yt comment section.
Yes it’s linked in my bio but feel free to send a friend request too!! MoxieWatts#4950
@@MoxieWatts ok thanks
I love the fact that this isn't a theory about how this "Has to be the sealed grounds." I'm good with the statue being moved, or being entirely different. I've pointed out that there is a major lack of dome, on his structure. I do think it's worth looking at the other end of the canyon, though. The 8th heroine is pointing in the direction of the forgotten temple, and I think the canyon looks to have been a collapse, into the very caves you mention.
Brilliant idea. I never thought about including the eighth heroine. Nice catch Anthony!
Just watched another lore video and he points out some lower parts of the wall look like the sealed temple. I think they might have moved it.
@@aleksandramakari That is a possibility. Though, I have come to think it's an entirely different building, built by the same architect.
I'm so glad someone else sees the Forgotten Temple as the old Temple of Time. So many people don't see it, and I get dismissed left right and centre.
Zeltik's theory video that it's the Sealed Temple is great, but even at my most convinced, I had major doubts.
It is so great! I love his explanations, but I didn't feel like it was the right conclusion.
Okay, no joke, as you were talking about hidden factory under the Forgotten Temple, I thought "what if, crazy theory, if Ganon's body was hidden there? Maybe to throw off enemies because why would you put the body near a factory with that much tech?" and then you spoke that out. Maybe I'm not that strange in my thoughts hah!
I had to throw it out there as a possibility
I personally beleve that the mumyfied body of Ganondorf lies deeeeeap under hyrole castle. I also love the idea of the lanayru mines becoming a Guardian production facilety and I hope this idea makes it in to tears of the kingdom. Perhaps pard of defeating Ganondorf's grand army of the damed wuld bee reastarting the Guardian factory and equiping brave woriors of hyrole with ainchent Sheikah teck
Oh my Gosh yes! Great idea. Maybe the facility connects to Hyrule Castle. The possibilities are endless!
Based on TOTK, the Forgotten Temple is completely confirmed to be the Sealed Grounds/Temple.
your presentation is great in this series! i cant wait to see whatever new video ideas you have
Glad you like them! More to come!
great content! thanks for all the time and research
My pleasure!
Damn you're really pumping it out. Good goin, thank you!
Thank you! I'm trying haha. ☺
Tysm for every single one of your videos! You've helped me understand so many stuff and your theories are always super interesting!
I hope you the very bests of lucks with your channel!
You're so welcome!
I enjoy your videos very much. Keep having fun and engaging in heavy speculation!
I absolutely adore your theories for the Zelda franchise; and your voice is so soothing!
Thank you Beans! These comments always mean a lot to me because I was scared to make videos. I thought people would not like my voice. So thank you for soothing my anxiety. 😌
This sounds mind blowing- but I must say that the Master Sword doesn’t/can’t necessarily be destroyed by the Goddess’s Sword because, let’s remember, the Master Sword IS the Goddess’s Sword. In Skyward Sword we start with the Goddess’s Swords but as we progress and have the sword blessed with the sacred flames it turns INTO the Master Sword, so this names don’t speak of 2 different objects, but one in 2 different stages. Still I am mind blown with the speculations made in this video, keep it up with the awesome content!
True story. I found this temple after some aimless exploration before I completed the shrines. I got my ass handed to me by all the guardians, so I stayed away until I had enough lightning arrows to fight my way through them. This was before I knew about the ancient weapons or armor. I remember thinking that there was probably something underneath it. I like your theory. Consider me subbed.
Lightening arrows!? 😂 that is pain. aye I appreciate the sub.
@moxiewatts Well, by this time, I had built up my hearts and I actually knew what I was doing. I mean, until the ancient arrows and armor showed me that I knew nothing.
Always happy to see a deserving channel grow and earn the recognition it deserves!
So. Finished watching it. I love the Theorie. I hope we will be able to see what the forgotten temple hides from us ins TOTK. I too think that there are some connections with the "ancient" technology from botw and the even more "ancient" technology from sws. Plus I think the Timeshift stones will play a bigger role again.
I love how you combined all Thies little dots and the Theory you made up there. Can't wait to find out if you are right.
I am B-lining straight for the forgotten temple. I agree, I really hope we see the timeshift stones come back.
More Zelda THEORY! My favorite theory so far. Keep it up! 🔥🔥
That's the plan!
Taking stuff back in time does not duplicate it, 'cuz it disappears the moment it goes back in time. MAYBE you could win one battle in the present by having your surviving soldiers go back and fight alongside their past selves to double your numbers for a short time, but as soon as their past selves go back in time, you have only the survivors once again. So it is with Guardians, Timeshift Stones, and the Master Sword. When someone travels through time, no copy of themselves remains in the time they traveled from - only their past self.
Fair enough explanation. I could see how that works, this was more a possible explaination and heavy speculation 🤣
After watching your theory this makes me really believe the temple might be a big part of totk.
That's what I'm thinking...I am B-lining for the temple.
@@MoxieWatts gurl same🏃♂
@@MoxieWatts InB4 they make it impossible to access before certain events in the game transpire! :)
i love your videos so so much omg, are you planning to cover the zonai? would love to see your take on that
Thank you so so much!! I feel like the Zonai are so oversaturated at the moment and there are so many good theories already. My favorite is Nintendo Black Crisis's documentary: ua-cam.com/video/mNPTGQGe9RU/v-deo.html
However, I was planning on making a video about my thoughts about a month before the release of Tears of the Kingdom.
@@MoxieWatts oh wow i have to check that out! thanks ^^ i honestly just want more of your videos, you have such a knack for talking about theories its a joy to watch and listen to :D
@@big_xakkie That means so much to me 😭You have no idea. I have been working so hard to put as much care into every video. I was inspired by Nintendo Black Crisis, Commonwealth Realm, Zeltik, Hyrule Gamer, and so many others. They definitely gave me concepts to help me build my videos.
I've always thought it was odd that so many Guardians would be placed in such a forgotten and remote location. CaC states that they were placed there to guard and protect the building, but it's never made clear why it needs such heavy protection or any at all. The first time I visited the temple I kept thinking, this can't be all of it. There has to be more. Now, with TotK on the way, if there isn't a dungeon tied to the temple, I'll eat my socks!
Dude same, I will be so upset if there's nothing there......
I don't know if the canyon was made to be perhaps extended yeah, but look at the dueling peaks its a landmark of nature(usually stronger than people) making damage I would be more leaning towards this if there was some giant machinery scraps, however I think that the place was a "remaster" of tje original given same materials and architecture but without the goddess blessing opening the chance to conduct less than holy activities there granted the location is an arid dessert and that place is "camouflaged" similar to one in the snowy part of the map
Great vid! Hope you're feeling better
Thank you so much. I am! Finally. Took a bit but my voice is less raspy.
This is a good one well thought-out
Thank you, it’s my favorite so far
Yeah, more heavy speculations theories!!
Let's goooooooo!
Way more to come homie.
Looking forward to this one!
Can't wait!
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I love your theories. But I do have one gripe with this one which is what you said about Hylia planning things out for the second theory. As far as I know about her (but that really is a whole lot), the goddess Hylia isn't an omniscient god, so she wouldn't know everything that's going to happen 50,000 years from when she put the plan in place.
Now, that's not saying that she couldn't have put the plan in place, just that she wouldn't have known all that would happen with it. Which makes sense imo, why would a god that knows everything that will happen, not leave plans of some sort so that the Sheikah could build their guardians in a way that makes them immune to Malice?
That's literally the only issue I have with either of the two main theories. Though I will say that the moment you talked about a cave being under the temple, my mind immediately thought of the third theory. XD
True, definitely didn't think about it that way. You right, but I am speculating! Just a crack-pot idea, nothing to see here lol
@@MoxieWatts I know, and that's what I love about them, the speculation helps get the brain working on neat What Ifs. :)
Interesting idea. Maybe the master sword needs to be destroyed in order to fully destroy demise.
Precisely.
Very nice video, I never heard the theory about the sealed temple being the temple of time from Lanauryu before, it makes sense! However I think you under estimate the amount of time between Skyward sword and BOTW. Hylia preparing 50,000 years? Hundreds of thousands would be more accurate. I mean time travel in Skyward sword is already thousands of years, surely as we look at the huge timeline and the way Hyrule castle moves on the map and Temple of Time moving around, gotta be at least a thousand years between games but that doesn't even take into account the gaps in the timeline where new games could fit.
Anyway I just don't think the royal family would have any knowledge of the past by the time of BOTW. King Rhoam's past is the 10,000 years ago first battle with the calamity, he wouldn't know about time shift stones, the ocarina of time, the harp, Demise and all of that. They knew the existence of Fi but they didn't know her name or that she's sealed Demise, right? She's just a voice in the sword that's supposed to help the hero. So did they know about the mining facility, time shift stones? No way. Maybe the Sheikah knew about an ancient facility stocked with the stones 10,000 years ago but the royal family likely knew nothing. credit to you though because they likely did cause the canyon that made the lost temple come out from under the surface. As to why those guardians were placed there? Likely by the Sheikah 10,000 years ago to protect a holy site of the Goddess Hylia or to stop people from finding those time shift stones.
I don't know exactly, which is why I kinda scoff when I say it 🤔
If the Lich Phylactery was the master sword, why would ganon rust it away / try to destroy it twice using malice?
To release demise possibly, It’s also the only thing physically able to kill him.
Maybe to adapt the phylactery into something else. I guess I didn’t really think the idea through 😅
I think the statue in the forgotten temple is not the skyloft statue but the statue inside where link learns the harp songs for the flame trials, it resembles the statue's height and proportions a lot more than the super huge skyloft statue
I think that the Royal family figured out the cycle and tried to stop it by imprisoning Gannondorf against his will (meaning that he may not have been evil yet) the shika opposed that decision and lost their rank and got banished which is why half of them turned into the yiga clan. And now gannondorf is trapped underneath gathering energy and about to escape
You actually do get the Goddess sword in Totk...but that's probably due to a time Paradox. I did see a theory that Breath of the Wild is in a branching timeline from Skyward Sword's past, since Link left a completed master sword in the past, meaning there's a spare Goddess Sword.
Short time watcher, first time poster. Could it be possible that the calamity was actually caused by the excavation by the royal family in the first place? Maybe they disturbed something in the lost temple and then tried to cover it up by putting all the guardians there. Then they began gathering the team (Divine Beast heros, Link, and Zelda) because they were afraid of what they had awoken in the temple. Just some thoughts I had while watching and please forgive me if this is not a new theory. I'm still fairly new to the Zelda theorycrafting side of things. I love your videos and the extra bit of personality you put in to them, please keep up the great work!
OOOOH thats brilliant-- Imma be using that at some point! You are awesome. Thanks for commenting. It's a freaking awesome idea.
@@MoxieWatts I'm glad you like it and please feel free to do whatever you want with the idea seeing as how I surely won't make anything useful out of it!
Personally i believe that the guardians might have been in there for a....rather dark reason, during the great calamity people all across hyrule would've run to whatever shelter they could find, including the forgotten temple, unfortunately the guardians are....thorough, especially when fueled with malice
That would be sad. Sheesh. Its a good idea though.
Forgotten temple? I was there man!
I really like the idea that the Forgotten Temple is the old Temple of Time. I definitely agree it can't be the Sealed Temple.
I don't think so either. Nothing about the sealed Temple even lines up here. People point out the pillars but they are a different shape.
Idk... I think to me it is literally an identical replica of the sealed grounds almost exactly to the detail. I don't know why it wouldn't be. I feel like people are making too much of a big deal around the location being changed, when its been possibly hundreds of thousands or even millions of years since the events in skyward sword. I feel like tectonic plates switching, or perhaps they moved the location of the temple of time to protect the actual sealed grounds. or something. i dunno. I feel like the updrafts coming up from beneath the forgotten temple are definitely from the sealed grounds, which is not only sealing a great evil, but also is literally filled with hot air pockets coming up from under it. It seems pretty clear to me at least. Or the theory that the lost woods and the great plateau switched places at some point, which would make it line up with the actual lore of the temple of time being built on top of the sealed grounds, because it would then line up. something like that. I guess I just don't find this as a very satisfying answer personally. but i appreciate how you looked into these things regardless.
Best one yet
Thank you 😮😭
it’s literally. one of the best locations in the game in TOTK
Hi Moxie, I'm an avid Zelda theorist fan and I've been following your videos the last couple days (found out about your channel from that Capt Burgeson collab, super great stuff!!!) and I'm really on board with lots of them. From them I've been branching out to other zeldatubers I hadn't seen before. One reccomendated video that popped up was this one: ua-cam.com/video/8JbRFuFNOFM/v-deo.html by the youtuber Broseph LaCasque, where he talks about the fitting in all the maps of Hyrule. The first video he made, like many others, I noticed he didn't mention the Forgotten Temple. This was the main topic of his 2nd vid (linked above). At 14:00 of his video, he shows a quote from Creating A Champion, that I noticed you hadn't touched on:
"The Forgotten Temple was constructed in order to keep a record of the heroes throughout history who aided the royal family of Hyrule in the countless ancient battles against Ganon, who unleashed the Calamity on a recovering world."
Similarly, he agrees that the Forgotten Temple cannot be the same Sealed Temple from SS. He more or less sums up with a speculation that the Forgotten Temple was built for the purpose of the above quote, to honor those who fought in the Calamities, as the sage Rauru's Temple of Time was built on the remains of the Sealed Temple. Along with how it all fits with his video of the map aligning, the location of the Forgotten Temple is on opposite ends of where the SS Temple of Time/ Lanayru Mining Facility is located. It is possible it could be a similar facility, but for it to be the same one, would have to mean it traveled via tectonics, etc, or was purposefully moved, North for hundreds-thousands of miles. I highly reccomend the map video, it's really cool and I'd love to hear your thoughts on this!!! Thanks for reading this far 💜✌
🤩🤩🤩🤩 can't wait to come home to watch this
It's up now! Let me know what you think 🤩
@@MoxieWatts i sure will
I'm 8 minutes late but I'm excited!
I was making coffee ☕
Morning! Right on time. Always nice to see you here Mike.
ummm wrong province of hyrule.... That factory and gate are in Lanayru which in BotW is just to the northeast of Kakariko and north of Hateno. The map of Skyward sword is more of a "suggestion" of a map. nothing is noted as being below Skyloft but at the end of the game we learn that it is perfectly above the sealed temple.
Which is the case on the map only if height is upwards on the map as well as north. In fact Lanayru on the map is flipped, the ocean is to the east of Hyrule and to the south east of the Eldin Province. If you drop into an area and have no sense of direction all directions are the same so the flipping isn't an issue, neither is the false placements. Link simply wasn't able to identify the positions and was going by a relic that looks like a map while being more of a three piece key to portals.
The time since the era of Skyloft is so long before BotW that Lanayru probably recovered from the strip mining desertification since that wasn't it's natural state, so rather then it being the Geruda desert I am inclined to say it is the very same Lanayru we see in BotW and since the mine and factory were in a natural low point they are now submerged in the channel of water which passes through Lanayru.
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I wonder if the Forgotten Temple will return in Tears of the Kingdom.
It’s gotta, right?
I hope so
Easy sub
AAAAAHHH NINTENDO DIRECT TOMORROW YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS!!!!!!
BRUUHHHHHH IM SO FREAKING HYPE I CANT WAIT. ONLY 16 MORE HOURS!!!!!!!
The worst part of your videos is the end. 😢
I appreciate that
@moxiewatts i added you to discord (even though I hate discord). Maybe, one day, we will be able to talk about some theories. I have so many in my head but due to my sever ADHD I'm incapable of writing them down or thinking one to the end haha. So maybe, a great mind like yours, with the same passion and energy towards Zelda, will be able to help me with some of those and find a new Theory for your videos :D
See ya. And keep those videos rolling ❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
Btw. I'm a 29 years old female, and not a creepy stalker or something. Just a person who genuinely tries to find some Zelda enthusiast, who are willing to talk to me about this game. No one around me, who has played Zelda, is interested in theories. Just in the game in general. :(
Excellent, we need to catch up to talk about your Leviathan idea because it is brilliant.
Funny you mention ADHD, I am diagnosed and take meds for it everyday. I have to force myself to do stuff like this. I would love more homies to help me with these theories, they can be quite complicated.
@@MoxieWatts oh yes please!!!!!!!
I've made a thread in a Zelda forum about them or about the ice leviathan and what or who this could be. Because I'm angry everyone says it's oshus but ote skeleton looks NOTHING like it should look like then.
I'm diagnosed and hopefully will start my med treatment in March. Have some test on Monday. I hope 🤞🏻 it will get better soon with my brain. :)