Karen • 1 min ago As one of those 92-95 lb petite ladies, I THANK YOU‼️I am 55 & a 🏃♀️ RUNNER & I lift weights 🏋️♀️ . l eat WFPB 🆘 Free. I don't take any calcium supplements, because of the harmful effects that you mentioned. But I do take Vitamin D, K2, & magnesium.
With WFPB SOS free & underweigth you are indeed at continued (future) risk. Physical activity doesn't help much according the study (nor would Ca). See my other post at trunk.
when it comes to bone health, working out is key! running or brisk walking may help with lower body bone density in people with higher bmi's, but for everyone else, especially people with normal or low bmi, hitting the gym and doing weight training is much more effective!
I just noticed your name is Adam so you are probably a man. A man doesn’t have nearly as many problems with osteoporosis as women do and if they do it usually doesn’t start until their late 70s. That goes for plant-based or meat eaters.
Bone D / osteop is usually ok when D3 and Selenium are ok - but the study was not much affected by that. Ca is / was not a real factor, nor was activity level. Biggest influence by far in the study had the simple threshold BMI below 22.5 or not (strong non-linear effect!). See my other post at trunk. You need "bolstering" for the hips particularly. If not by BMI then by diapers. And energy, carbs particularly for good neuronal function - to not fall in the first place. (Selenium deficiency threatens vegans outside North America particularly.)
@@southerngrandma4353 I know an old lady 76 which had severe osteoporosis, multiple fractures within few years, multiple collapsed vertebrae, and increasing severe pain when meds, painkillers didn't help anymore. All problems disappeared within 3 months after I added correct Vitamin D3 (200,000IU refill within 2 weeks, then 3000IU daily). No Osteo meds. Outside North America also selenium deficiency needs to be fixed. Also add a multivitamin when little / bad eating due to little activity.
What about those of us who run many miles weekly, say 30 or more? (Drfuhrman recommends no more than 20 miles weekly, he claims more running can be damaging)
It means you are typically underweight, but nutrient complete (due to enough food). The physical activity doesn't help much regarding fractures according the study. See my post at trunk. Dr Klaper creates false hopes here. BMI >22 / bolstering had the strongest (non-linear) effect by far.
Amazing, a discussion about calcium and not one word about the role vitamin D3 + vitamin K2 (as MK7) play in calcium absorption. Seek advice elsewhere regarding bone health UA-camrs.
The message is 200 - 300 mg calcium is enough but very important: use your bones. Put light weight on and go for a walk, eat your Greens and you will be healthy. 🙏💜
Well, regarding the advice for "little petite women", if we look up the study facts (PMC7682057) we see something different: * Physical activity doesn't help much (Tables 5 and S6). (Also regarding body height the scaling laws would favor small persons ... little animals .. insects.) * Calcium beyond threshold 500..700 doesn't help much or quite nothing (Table 4 vs Fig 1). (Actually only some 200 mg Ca were required in zero-loss balance measurements when Vitamin D is ok. Thats often already contained in the water consumption in most places...) * What has a strong / biggest effect in vegans inside the study is getting BMI up beyond 22.5 (Tables 5 and S6). (The linear correction models did not show that as clear because its a non-linear effect in the mostly underweight vegan group). Getting beyond 21 should also do most. Its mainly about bolstering. Alternatively those underweight vegans could wear bolstering diapers ... For the rest of the little unexplainable effect: The vegans in EPIC-Oxford cohort (as in most regions outside North America) suffer likely from severe selenium deficiency. "Selenium deficiency resulted in a 23% and 21% reduction in bone mineral density (BMD) of the femur and tibia (p < 0.001) and this effect persisted after adjustment for weight in a linear regression model." SE deficiency also affects nerve function and thus the frequency of falls. Also, the super slim vegans (and others) are typically sticking to Dr. Greger like ileal break diets with too much "whole foods". They stuff up their intestines with too much low-energy "crap", and get too little carbohydrates / sugar, which then not only makes these undercarb'ed pale folks too slim over time, but also impacts neuronal executive function immediately. Remember when you needed to write a difficult exam, but didn't get your (fast) carbs ... (*) => Add more sweet fruits, sugar / sucrose and refined grains. 50% whole grains etc. is more than enough for humans regarding the meta studies. *) Hypoglycemia and the Central Nervous System : "These symptoms prompt individuals to ingest food to increase blood sugar levels. If these defenses are unable to restore blood sugar levels, inadequate glucose supply to the brain leads to neuroglycopenic symptoms such as confusion, difficulty speaking, ataxia, paresthesias, headaches, seizures, and coma."
Like nearly all osteo presentations, this one fails to address the measurement concept. "You cannot influence what you cannot measure". Focusing on measurement technologies and their application to bone-strengthening therapies is sorely needed.
We are frugivores...why would fruit hurt us? I don't think he knows anything about fruit. He doesn't eat it. He knows how to help meat eaters eat more healthfully...but about fruit eating...nada.
Likely we have many falls due to low carbohydrate / sugar intake and thus bad neural function. Particularly in those frail underweight vegans. BMI below 22 had the strongest effect in the study - mainly due to lack of bolstering. Acidic fruits (=most) require some care regarding teeth. Otherwise they are fine. Fruit centered vegans of course need selenium and B12 in addition of course - at least. Freelee's health was f*ked up by severe selenium deficiency. From gum to neural, skin, hair issues and more. "Results showed that selenium has the strongest association with gum disease, with low levels increasing the risk by 13 fold." I wrote her 2x, hope she gets better soon.
@@xcast1 oh well...I guess fruitarians need a few Brazil nuts. I think fruitarianism is unlikely for most of us since Walmart is the only orchard many of us have access to. I think starches probably supply our glucose needs better than fruit since fruit has so much fructose and that can be turned into sat fat by the liver.
@@betzib8021 Brazil nuts have unreliable SE content unfortunately (factor 20 variation), and raise radioactivity a lot according BfR (1 nut per day raises natural dose by 25%), and have serious contents of barium and aflatoxins. So a clean SE supplement, were you know what you get, may be better; that is what farmers outside of the few SE rich regions ( like North America ) do to avoid white muscle disease in livestock and that is what provides SE for omnivores there. Only very little fructose is converted to SAFAT as far as the diet and person and diet is not fat / overweight; meaningless in fruit-centered low-fat diets: these folks are usually are thin AF and rather have the opposite problem.
less than 1%: "Under one percent of ingested fructose is directly converted to plasma triglyceride.[2] 29% - 54% of fructose is converted in liver to glucose, and about a quarter of fructose is converted to lactate. 15% - 18% is converted to glycogen.[3] Glucose and lactate are then used normally as energy to fuel cells all over the body.[2]"
I've been vegetarian for 45 years and recently vegan for the past 4 years. My bone density scan Two weeks ago was perfect.
Karen • 1 min ago
As one of those 92-95 lb petite ladies, I THANK YOU‼️I am 55 & a 🏃♀️ RUNNER & I lift weights 🏋️♀️ . l eat WFPB 🆘 Free. I don't take any calcium supplements, because of the harmful effects that you mentioned. But I do take Vitamin D, K2, & magnesium.
With WFPB SOS free & underweigth you are indeed at continued (future) risk. Physical activity doesn't help much according the study (nor would Ca). See my other post at trunk.
I am a 66 year old woman and I just found out that I have osteoporosis. This video is encouraging and helpful. Thank you.
Thanks Dr Klaper
when it comes to bone health, working out is key! running or brisk walking may help with lower body bone density in people with higher bmi's, but for everyone else, especially people with normal or low bmi, hitting the gym and doing weight training is much more effective!
I'm a plant exclusive eater and my bone D test is A1 💯⭐💪
How old are you (Approximately) My bones didn’t get bad until my late 60’s. I now have two fractured bones in my spine and severe Osteoporosis.
I just noticed your name is Adam so you are probably a man. A man doesn’t have nearly as many problems with osteoporosis as women do and if they do it usually doesn’t start until their late 70s. That goes for plant-based or meat eaters.
@@southerngrandma4353 what are you taking for your OS ?
Bone D / osteop is usually ok when D3 and Selenium are ok - but the study was not much affected by that. Ca is / was not a real factor, nor was activity level. Biggest influence by far in the study had the simple threshold BMI below 22.5 or not (strong non-linear effect!). See my other post at trunk. You need "bolstering" for the hips particularly. If not by BMI then by diapers. And energy, carbs particularly for good neuronal function - to not fall in the first place.
(Selenium deficiency threatens vegans outside North America particularly.)
@@southerngrandma4353 I know an old lady 76 which had severe osteoporosis, multiple fractures within few years, multiple collapsed vertebrae, and increasing severe pain when meds, painkillers didn't help anymore. All problems disappeared within 3 months after I added correct Vitamin D3 (200,000IU refill within 2 weeks, then 3000IU daily). No Osteo meds.
Outside North America also selenium deficiency needs to be fixed. Also add a multivitamin when little / bad eating due to little activity.
Thank you Dr Klapper. I guess my grocery carrying is good. Never heard of weight vests but will look into it. Of course along with all my greens
Most succinct explanation and action plan! Thank you!
I'm always picking up all kinds of shit in the country along with working out lol 🤣
What about those of us who run many miles weekly, say 30 or more? (Drfuhrman recommends no more than 20 miles weekly, he claims more running can be damaging)
It means you are typically underweight, but nutrient complete (due to enough food). The physical activity doesn't help much regarding fractures according the study. See my post at trunk. Dr Klaper creates false hopes here. BMI >22 / bolstering had the strongest (non-linear) effect by far.
Amazing, a discussion about calcium and not one word about the role vitamin D3 + vitamin K2 (as MK7) play in calcium absorption. Seek advice elsewhere regarding bone health UA-camrs.
The message is 200 - 300 mg calcium is enough but very important: use your bones. Put light weight on and go for a walk, eat your Greens and you will be healthy. 🙏💜
Well, regarding the advice for "little petite women", if we look up the study facts (PMC7682057) we see something different:
* Physical activity doesn't help much (Tables 5 and S6).
(Also regarding body height the scaling laws would favor small persons ... little animals .. insects.)
* Calcium beyond threshold 500..700 doesn't help much or quite nothing (Table 4 vs Fig 1).
(Actually only some 200 mg Ca were required in zero-loss balance measurements when Vitamin D is ok. Thats often already contained in the water consumption in most places...)
* What has a strong / biggest effect in vegans inside the study is getting BMI up beyond 22.5 (Tables 5 and S6). (The linear correction models did not show that as clear because its a non-linear effect in the mostly underweight vegan group). Getting beyond 21 should also do most. Its mainly about bolstering. Alternatively those underweight vegans could wear bolstering diapers ...
For the rest of the little unexplainable effect: The vegans in EPIC-Oxford cohort (as in most regions outside North America) suffer likely from severe selenium deficiency.
"Selenium deficiency resulted in a 23% and 21% reduction in bone mineral density (BMD) of the femur and tibia (p < 0.001) and this effect persisted after adjustment for weight in a linear regression model."
SE deficiency also affects nerve function and thus the frequency of falls.
Also, the super slim vegans (and others) are typically sticking to Dr. Greger like ileal break diets with too much "whole foods". They stuff up their intestines with too much low-energy "crap", and get too little carbohydrates / sugar, which then not only makes these undercarb'ed pale folks too slim over time, but also impacts neuronal executive function immediately. Remember when you needed to write a difficult exam, but didn't get your (fast) carbs ... (*)
=> Add more sweet fruits, sugar / sucrose and refined grains. 50% whole grains etc. is more than enough for humans regarding the meta studies.
*) Hypoglycemia and the Central Nervous System : "These symptoms prompt individuals to ingest food to increase blood sugar levels. If these defenses are unable to restore blood sugar levels, inadequate glucose supply to the brain leads to neuroglycopenic symptoms such as confusion, difficulty speaking, ataxia, paresthesias, headaches, seizures, and coma."
Hello beautiful petite ladies 🔥🔥💯❤️
Sesame seeds is a good calcium source...
Only non-decorticated: ~900mg Ca/100g , decorticated 30..60mg. We won't eat lots of that stuff on a regular basis though.
Like nearly all osteo presentations, this one fails to address the measurement concept. "You cannot influence what you cannot measure". Focusing on measurement technologies and their application to bone-strengthening therapies is sorely needed.
How about a rebounder!
Prunes are good for bones.
Isn't it 2000 steps in a mile?
Weight lifting takes care of that.
No, it had quite no effect in the study. See other post.
We are frugivores...why would fruit hurt us? I don't think he knows anything about fruit. He doesn't eat it. He knows how to help meat eaters eat more healthfully...but about fruit eating...nada.
Likely we have many falls due to low carbohydrate / sugar intake and thus bad neural function. Particularly in those frail underweight vegans. BMI below 22 had the strongest effect in the study - mainly due to lack of bolstering.
Acidic fruits (=most) require some care regarding teeth. Otherwise they are fine. Fruit centered vegans of course need selenium and B12 in addition of course - at least.
Freelee's health was f*ked up by severe selenium deficiency. From gum to neural, skin, hair issues and more.
"Results showed that selenium has the strongest association with gum disease, with low levels increasing the risk by 13 fold."
I wrote her 2x, hope she gets better soon.
@@xcast1 oh well...I guess fruitarians need a few Brazil nuts. I think fruitarianism is unlikely for most of us since Walmart is the only orchard many of us have access to. I think starches probably supply our glucose needs better than fruit since fruit has so much fructose and that can be turned into sat fat by the liver.
@@betzib8021 Brazil nuts have unreliable SE content unfortunately (factor 20 variation), and raise radioactivity a lot according BfR (1 nut per day raises natural dose by 25%), and have serious contents of barium and aflatoxins. So a clean SE supplement, were you know what you get, may be better; that is what farmers outside of the few SE rich regions ( like North America ) do to avoid white muscle disease in livestock and that is what provides SE for omnivores there.
Only very little fructose is converted to SAFAT as far as the diet and person and diet is not fat / overweight; meaningless in fruit-centered low-fat diets: these folks are usually are thin AF and rather have the opposite problem.
less than 1%: "Under one percent of ingested fructose is directly converted to plasma triglyceride.[2] 29% - 54% of fructose is converted in liver to glucose, and about a quarter of fructose is converted to lactate. 15% - 18% is converted to glycogen.[3] Glucose and lactate are then used normally as energy to fuel cells all over the body.[2]"
@@xcast1 wow...5hats a relief. Thanks