How Elytra Almost Ruined Minecraft
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- Опубліковано 30 кві 2022
- How Did A Really Popular Feature, The Elytra Almost Ruin Minecraft Forever? In This Mini Elytra Documentary you will see the history of Elytra and how it has evolved. And looking for an answer on why some people hate it?
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Instead of nerfing what's cool, make the lame things cool as well. Minecarts and railways are expensive and buggy. Horses are tedious and unreliable. There's tons of ways to improve them both, don't tear down Elytra just because Mojang is lazy.
I totally agree, giving more options for the other lamer things can also inspire creativity. There needs to be an incentive to use these other methods that make it more fun, like the railways can be better if you can build a working train for it.
@@natperXD Just off the top of my head for minecarts: one way rails, switches, depots, linking carts together, make them actually steerable (if a switch is coming up, holding a or d lets you pick which track you go on.)
@@nothing4mepls973 You can do some of those things already, like the steerable one. Just put a button or lever to change the direction of the rail(assuming it's a t-junction). The depot, just using powered rails can stop the cart from moving and then you can make the building.
Some changes I would want though is to make them faster so that they are more useful(i know there's a way, but it requires a lot of resources like pistons), allow for making your own shell (like changing the looks for the cart), linking carts together, and ways to make a rollercoaster
@@natperXD "It already exists, but the version that already exists is absolute dogshit" is how Mojang gets by being so lazy. I'm done with that.
@@nothing4mepls973 true, I just wished they made it better.
We definitely need a revamp of rails and horses. If creativity is the main theme of Minecraft, we should have a more nuanced system with rails that could be comparable to progressions like redstone. In short, we must also have a creative way to manage rails.
I know right, rails are so slow in minecraft.
Furnace minecarts are such a missed opportunity. They're so slow that they're useless.
Piston bolt system on nether roof trumps any creative additions to rails. It’s the only use for rails in the end game. Elytra is so fast that the self-transport functionality of rails is obsolete which leaves chest carts for mass item transport the only viable use case. And you’ll only need mass item transport after building multiple ultra-farms/you build something significantly far away from an end portal.
AKA you’ll only need rails if you build a quad-witch hut farm, multi-sea temple farm, or if you play true vanilla/anarchy SMP’s.
Realistically, only a fraction of players will ever reach the aforementioned end-game because you would also need a dedicated mass item storage with shulker loaders. Which ultimately means rails only exist for simple hopper-cart item pickup/drop off farms and for use by the casual player.
Even in the early game, acquiring a saddle is part of normal and expected exploration. The horse trumps the traditional minecart user. And a bubble column outshines a rail system from a mineshaft to the surface. GG RIP rails.
I think the systems are fine, bc if horses are not effective enough then we also need to rework the pig. Not every thing in a video game is meant to be the best option forever. as for rails they do have a better version, they're called piston bolts and I highly recommend looking into them. they're very common place on tech servers so you can travel long distances while afk
two words. horse elytra
I would personally not enjoy Minecraft as much as I do if I had to walk everywhere, especially when gathering materials for mega bases. Also makes getting around the Nether a heck of a lot easier. And the End, obviously.
You wouldn't have to. There's plenty of high speed road systems that you could use. A bunch of high speed road systems that all instantaneously went completely obsolete the moment they released the firework's propeller feature.
All the update did was decrease the amount of time it takes for me to have an existential crisis in a minecraft world. Road building used to be one of my favorite projects, and now only very early game roads make sense.
@@stealthbeastgaming road building is boring asf, just cuz u like it doesnt mean anything to other ppl
@@mateotress3855 Building shit is the cornerstone of Minecraft. If you don't like building in Minecraft, that's a you thing. I'm not the odd one out, you are.
@@stealthbeastgaming so what. I don't give a fuck is its the corner stone of minecraft, in fact i didn't join just to build and why have the pain of collecting stuff and building when you can just fly its a method to people who don't have time for that/patience
@@stealthbeastgaming The point of playing Minecraft you’re OWN way should mean something to people. tbh it doesn’t make much sense. If you want to build railways build railways just because something that can now go faster doesn’t mean that other thing is pointless if it’s meaningful to you. I’ve never built a railway ever in Minecraft so I use the elytra. But if I enjoyed using railways the elytra wouldn’t make them pointless to me because that’s not how I would like to play. Nothing is pointless in Minecraft.
A bigger impact on the game imo is villager trades. It's just too powerful. Most farms are essentially useless
Agreed. They need to nerf them.
I literally feel like im cheating when im using my villager hall, the elytra is just fun imo
Bro don't bag on the stonk market
I agree! Either they need to have more expensive items to cure villagers, put a limit to how cheap trades can get or simply make trades more expensive. It's seriously too op.
@@Kobe_Abogutal or just don’t use them stfu talking about it’s too op just don’t USE IT
Rails, Minecarts should be upgraded if we were able to make better trains bigger than 3-5 carts and it was easier to use when chained together i wouldve use them.
They should make them faster and less noisy. And maybe a bit cheaper while they’re at it. I think the amount of iron for 16 rails is good but it’s just not worth it for long distance travel.
You can do this by making a chain of minecarts, put a furnace in the end and right click the furnace with coal. Its like powered rails but cheaper :D
@@burbied667 it breaks every time it goes left or right thats the problem
Yeah so you could have like a locomotive thing possibly in the front and other minecrafts either for people or chests to move loot faster and in bigger quantities. Maybe a little faster too.
Audaki carts mod proves it can be boosted to up 34m/s because of optimization. Mojang is bullshit company when it comes up to writing code. They have great ideas but lacks of regular optimizations and stable API for mods
I think it opens up the game for further exploration and allows people to push the game further without enormous amounts of time and effort
I mean I kinda get their point but since they decreased the speed in the latest update I think it’s still good. The only thing I don’t understand is that they think elytra almost ruined the game but themselves they duplicate millions of blocks, which is apparently ‘legit’. 🤔
It is very easy to explore. I did have it but lost it which is kinda sucks.
I didn't know it was 2016? like damn time flies by i thought it was like 2017, 2018 when they added elytra
thats the problem, low effort
@@rocco7083 Yeah time flies cuz it has an Elytra.
Minecart speed needs a crazy buff to incentivize building the infrastructure, which takes a lot of materials and effort for long distances. Even though ice roads in the nether with boats are already extremely good in the endgame though they are incredibly expensive, requiring an amazing ice farm for pack ice.
i just think they should make rails cheaper. one batch should make a stack.
@@steamingpileofspaghetti9755 at least 32 yeah so that way its easier, lots of players have iron farms or u can use fortune 3 to get tons of iron. but yeah I also think they should add linking carts and make the top speed of minecarts the same as the elytra. they could also add locomotives that are powered by coal to replace the furnace cart.
I use blue ice. But I also haven't made ice roads longer than a few thousand blocks, if that.
i think instead of 6 iron 1 stick they should make it 6 sticks 1 iron
@@bagalert9146 If you think about it, real rail tracks use quite a lot of metal, and only a little wood in comparison. For 6 iron ingots and one stick to make 16 rails is pretty good. It'd be more realistic in terms of materials cost to need three sticks, or wood planks even, to make that many rails.
I'm split by this one. On the one hand, playing without elytra is just cool because it feels like the old days where we used to explore the world on foot. On the other hand though, elytras are incredibly useful and bring a whole new variety of possibilities into the game!
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My biggest argument for Elytra is that it's supposed to be a "post-game" reward, similar to beacons. While yes, they can break servers easily, they're just as easily turned off, and if you don't enjoy it, then you don't have to use one.
"Flying is not enabled on this server"
Pretty much how I see this whole issue. Not super easy to get, so they're very good items as a result.
@@rocketpg_9532 to be honest they really are that easy to get. at this point beating the dragon and getting to end cities really isn't a challenge. I think it would be cool to see some more mobs appearing in end cities akin to wardens which actually make exploring end cities a justifiable for the structues which supply 2 of the best items in the entire game.
Hell you could even make a totally new end structure to house the end ships like a bastion. Thinking about it, all I really want is more stuff in the empty wasteland that is the end.
Yeah agreed
@@falcon9213 Yeah the end really needs an update to make it harder
I feel like all the early hate people just missed that the game is ever changing. We now base everything around the Elytra and go further beyond with custom transport.
"and go further beyond with custom transport"
Which is SLOWER THAN ELYTRAS. THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
@@colbyboucher6391 It's not faster than ice highways and piston bolts and ender pearl cannons.
I feel like the elytra was a much needed addition for builders such as myself. Building up to the top of the mountain with blocks and water etc... Was always soo slow. Everyone has their own opinion but I believe it was essential to add.
Then play creative
Every human has a dream to fly with wings. Elytra is a dream come true.
@Discord User ok cool
Um
@Discord User and you have no videos
“Every human” no not really
@@larva9125 yeah really
honestly, i cant imagine not having an elytra in my survival world. I have played in it for over 1000 days and built so many things in different areas. Walking or horses is probably the "traditional" way of playing minecraft but for late game elytra is just definitely the best.
@Discord User no one cares
@Discord User no one cares
@@cloudless6088 what did he said
@@WelcomeToCJWorld no one cares🙂
for me the traditional way of playing minecraft is still on foot. i rarely use horses cause its a bit tedious to always having to build a small shelter or fenced off area where the horse will stay in so it cant run away or using a leash to tie it to a fence. not to mention how often you can get stuck in leaves. i much rather go on foot at all times until i get an elytra.
I’m mixed on the elytra because it is really fun, I do also miss the massive railroad projects we used to have.
I will say though that “if you don’t like it then don’t use it” is one of the worst arguments when it comes to game design because players can and will optimize the fun out of anything and that’s just human nature. I do think there should be an easy way to disable the elytra altogether for those who don’t want to use it though, some checkbox on world creation or something, so players can very easily remove the temptation to use it.
personally i don’t really see a problem about “if you dont like it then dont use it” in most the cases
for example the elytra, you still have minecarts, horses etc, and its not in the middle of progression(unlike something like iron pickaxes)
and for me, i dislike the deepslate,lag,new ore gen etc, “dont like it then dont use it” so im fine with 1.16
the exceptions are like when someone says that wood ruined the game and he dislike it but its like impossible to not use it(ik dumb but just an example)
3 lines to say the same "if you don't like it then don't use it".
Having the checkbox is literally "if you don't like it then don't use it", the only difference is that you're saying you don't have self-control and you need the game to forbid you from using something you could just not use.
@@syzzle342 that’s exactly what I’m saying actually. Like personally I don’t care and have zero desire to not use the elytra cause it’s just such a fun item to use. The thing is that I also understand human psychology and know that it’s just a poor game design argument in general. Many people will absolutely use something even if they don’t like it as much just because it’s the more efficient option and it’s available to them and need such hard limitations imposed by the game itself.
Even Minecraft itself already has a good example of this exact thing with the difficulty lock option.
@@Psoewish Why would they do a button for such a specific thing ? Would beacons get a button too ? What about totem of undying ? And Trident ? It is not a poor game design and I donot get why you defend opinions like "minecarts are waste of time".
The easy way to disable it is to just not use it. Elytras are quite hard to get. It isnt like you can find them everywhere. So it isnt hard at all to just avoid going to end cities (or play an older version of minecraft). And if you want to go to end cities for shulker boxes, then just don't grab an Elytra. The idea that players should be able to remove items from the game, so they can resist the temptation of using it, is just pointless. If you dont like elytras. Don't use them. It isnt a terrible argument. Saying that it is because players who don't like it will be tempted to use it, is a terrible argument.
Minecraft is your world, play how you want. You can still work on massive railroad projects, if you want to. Nothing is stopping you.
I want horses to be able to swim and rails need to go just a bit faster... I feel like they use to be faster with powered rails... maybe I am wrong on that. I don't miss walking everywhere or going super slow with a horse. Once you get an elytra I feel like the game actually opens up tons of options and opportunities for you. Thats why I love Minecraft.
Horses and donkeys should swim and even use depth strider movement speed bonus. On that note they should perhaps be capable of using frost-walker from your boots too.
As someone who works 50 hours a week, having Elytra actually enables me to play the game and do stuff in the short spare time I have to play it
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@@ryokrii Hi Chris
As the elytra does present some serious advantages, this is a heavily endgame resource, along with enough rockets to keep you going you you need a gunpowder farm. This whole debate really depends on your goal in minecraft. If you play like me the goal is to get stuff and begin large projects and builds, something super impressive and fun. I feel most people play similar to this way, but those who don't, the need for the elytra is not there. Overall, what this mechanic does is save huge amounts of travel time for serious players, not ruin the survival experience. If anything the elytra is a more dangerous and expensive option of travel anyway
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Although I agree on most of your points, the Elytra can literally be obtained within a few hours of starting. Minecraft's "endgame" isn't very "end".
Its not really an endgame resource if you can just beat the ender dragon without even having to get diamond armor
Exactly. Once you get armor and a food farm there’s no real survival anymore. Diamond armor is OP. But no one mentions that.
@@theinfiniteconqueror what about netherite armor?
Mindless elytra flying is also kind of relaxing and liberating when you're stressed out.
One thing that wasn’t mentioned in the video but was in one of the messages is the new architecture that we can now reasonably do with the addition of the Elytra. Sky cities and landing pads have made my building experience super fun so I do love the elytra and since I love rails I also use rails for transport of materials and red stone mechanics
I can't imagine building huge structures without flying. I can't get a good view of the place either. Also
1.18 update would have made the game somewhat unplayable if there was no elytra.
People still die from fall damage, and elytra introduced dying from kinetic energy.
And what's with horses and railways? If someone wants to use them, they can. It never ruined the game, only made it better.
@Pineapples Exactly.
Holy someone who actually makes sence
But it’s overpowered in my opinion, the fact you can obtain it but you don’t want to is weird. Imagine you are riding a horse but your freinds fly over you much faster using an elytra!
Please don’t hate everyone has a different opinion!
Not hating other people opinion
@@smudatv well then don't obtain i5
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Realistically, could anyone still imagine Minecraft without Elytras?
*bridging in the end intensifies*
Yea i could because i've been playing Minecraft since 2012 :D
@@finmat95 the game must've been a lot harder back then, exploring, finding good building spots and surviving overall without an elytra just seems like it would take a ton of time
@@taraneu7599 but its alot more fun back then ngl i play minecraft in 2015 but still i see old alpha videos and can see they have a lot of fun back then still now the game is fun but not the same
I play 1.8 servers so I dont mind
The ‘New Minecraft Era’ started with the elytra. Thats when the OG feeling started to fade away…
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Rails will always have a use. I always saw them as a way to transport goods automatically. and in a multiplayer server, a way to allow newer players a fast way to get around. The most obvious being early to late game use is special redstone interactions. Mob transportation comes to mind as well
Seeing that the elytra was released in 2015 when it still feels new for me makes me feel old even though I’m only 18
mate you were 11 when elytra was realeased 7 years its a long time
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Honestly as a building maniac, I always loved building long railways. But it costed a lot or resources, and time to build, for as a result not even being able to chain minecarts together, and don't go especially fast. We need a rework of the minecarts/rails purpose.
I personally feel its one of the best items, for exploration, building, analyzing the area and for great enjoyment overall
Now imagine doing that without it seems like a nightmare xD like I dont think people would be able to se down for mega bases in cool worlds and stuff it would stunt the groh by around 20-50 fold
@@mcsas1666 definitely
@Discord User awesome man
Of course it's the best, that's why it's shit. The whole point of SURVIVAL over CREATIVE is that there's supposed to be reason / incentive to build things to keep yourself safe, to expand your territory, to make things easier for yourself... but then you get discount Creative mode by being able to fly, and all that's left is grinding blocks when you could've just picked Creative in the first place and not done that.
That's why it's an end of game item. Many games have a feature of some kind the player can get and replay the game so you can continue your playthrough. It doesn't make you invincible or anything just allows you to reduce travel time
No one asked
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you say its endgame but like u can easily get it in an hour or two into the server
@@JumperMelon yeah Minecraft is a kids game it's not meant to be complicated. You can beat the game without attacking anything besides blazes and not mining any blocks. It's still the last item you can obtain
@@JumperMelon endgame doesn't mean hard to get
The elytra is cool, and I use it often but it would also be nice if there were more transportation methods that were actually useful as minecarts are limited to the tracks that their made for and horses are rather slow, so it would be cool to improve each transportation method so that they all had their own specialties or at least evened in terms of usefulness and usability.
I have a survival world that I've had for a long, long time. For the first couple of years I didn't go to the End or beat the dragon just because I didn't really care about that - I was having more fun expanding my base and building towns around the world. Eventually, of course, I went and did all of that, and got an elytra. But I felt like it was somewhat immersion-breaking. So now, I just use an elytra to help with mundane tasks that require it (e.g., building a really tall tower or searching for something in the Nether). But if I'm not doing a task that directly benefits from my using an elytra, I simply leave it in my Ender Chest.
But I think 1.18 stabilized it because biomes are much larger now , so you have to fly more distance to get to other biomes,also the beauty of caves and cliffs in survival is defined by elytra, just jump of a really high cliff through the mountains, above the large river into a open cave , through the dripstone abyss to the lushy axolotls ,with elytra it really feels good
You can say exactly the same thing about horses and minecarts, and even sprinting. Back in the day you had to actually walk from place to place and use nether portals!
Yes and also minecart never dies because it is regularly used in Redstone
I still use this. I use nether portals and railways in the nether to travel.
Well yes and no. Sprint, horse, minecarts were a big change, but nowhere near the Elytra. The difference in speed and the simple ability to fly is so much more as a game changer
@@revan22 But the game itself also grew in size. Sometimes you need to travel thousands of blocks to find specific biome or structure. Back then you settled in a place you justs liked the look of, and had almost all the content around you.
thats such a bad comparison
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So the thing is.. back in the day when horses came into the picture, the game was barely stable enough to handle them.
I remember getting an average wild horse (on a decent-for-the-time PC), and riding the high that the creator of Mo' Creatures got something officially added to vanilla.
That quickly faded when I realized the horse could run faster than the world could generate and that I wasn't the only one having that issue, so back to the minecart I went and kept horses as pets.
For the most part, horses seem to have been fixed, the game is much more stable, and I use them as my main transport as soon as I get a saddle.
That said, even today, small and simple hopper-cart collectors can still have issues with regards to lag and/or too many entities in the area (partly my fault because I like all my afk stuff together for max production). But the railway system needs some sprucing up and maybe a bit more optimization if at all possible.
Basically, I never personally use the Elytra because of the "ptsd", for lack of a better phrase, from back in the day when the game would die at the drop of a hat if you moved too fast.
Could my PC keep up with it today? Almost certainly yes. Do I get it often enough legitimately to try it. No, not in the slightest.
Do I hate the Elytra because of my personal experience? No, of course not. It's a wonderful idea for end-game travel, but that also doesn't stop me from being cautious about it.
If other people want to, and are able to use it, more power to 'em! Mr. Neigh-Neigh and I will be right behind them.. eventually. :)
Good point
> Could my PC keep up with it today?
If you're playing Bedrock and your "PC" is a Nintendo Switch, then no--not even when using Realms to offload chunk generation[1].
In Java, my AMD 3400G APU also needs to be paused frequently when exploring new areas with Elytra (especially if instead of rockets I'm using Riptide III in the rain), in order to give the chunk generator a chance to catch up.[2]
Then again, in neither scenario does the game fully "crash" any more, thanks to chunkgen being handled asynchronously by default--it just means you're flying through unloaded world for a minute.
[1] if you ever wonder why Bedrock lags so far behind when it comes to implementing certain features, just remind yourself that it needs to be able to run on absolute potato hardware
[2] This is pretty much the only time Minecraft will be CPU-bottlenecked for me, largely because I play with shaders.
@@GSBarlev I've solely played on Java because it's the version I'm most familiar with and the native version of Minecraft, so things are naturally more stable than other versions. That said, I can't speak for Bedrock, I've never tried it.
While your CPU might be great, you need to remember that your RAM and GPU are also responsible for your gaming experience. Shaders in general are a huge weight on all three components, so I don't use them either because I'm usually hosting for friends across the globe and need to keep things as smooth as possible for their sake.
Another thing I've noticed is that after Microsoft bought Minecraft, the game pretty much hijacks your CPU and maxes it out on startup and for a minute or two afterwards until it "finishes" loading. I had a tech from Micro Center check it to make sure it wasn't a CPU issue (it was brand new) and even they thought it was weird that any game would do that and that Minecraft didn't do that before. Minecraft is the only game in my library that does this other than ARK, but we don't talk about ARK because they know what they did. :)
For me the only thing bad about elytras is that sometimes new chunks tont load but to fix that you can use a mod to pre load them learned that from your video
That's your potato pc problem
@@REV0LUT10N_ kinda true but my friend with bad pc doesn't load the chunks either so
As a server owner, if you are worried about the creation of new chunks, you can set a world border and then pre-render the world. It increases your world save size to whatever you set the border to, but your server never has to create new chunks on the fly
but that would leave you stuck with a small-ass finite world though?
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I definitely agree rails could be upgraded but I still find it fun and useful to have rail systems even with Elytra. I like being able to hop on a minecart and just be automatically taken to the destination without having to do anything
I used to not like the elytra but looking back it was mainly of a point of being alienated by how much the game changed since i last played it. Now i love it and i hope for more items like this
Them: rails will be useless !
Me trying to transfer the villagers: what did you just say ?
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This video had such good editing and information. My opinion is that I also like the elytra, but it *does* sometimes feel like cheating. It does have a balance though, which is that you can't wear your chestplate which makes you take a lot more damage. Good job Shulkercraft!
I'll take the instant getaway card anyday
Fall damage and random mobs are usually the biggest downfall for me but elytras make it much easier
@@whereisaim4022 much easier to fly.... into a cave wall and take a more damage..?
@@Rayvenns after full netherite only nether mobs are threatening
in a cave i would dig into a wall
also some caves are super big so flying might not be an issue(new update)
@@whereisaim4022 with elytras you get 1 shot by creepers though
@@Rayvenns full prot 4 negates almost all damage
Can also trade some diamond armor from villagers easily
Shields block all damage,hissing sound is enough time to do a 180+block
Skeletons are a bigger threat in the overworld imo
Horse is pretty useful for early-game transportation, alongside with boat. Minecart with rail is also useful for transporting other entities, like villager.
5:39 I think the major problem is that you can't put chestplate and elytra at the same time, which kinda make sense especially when raiding dangerous structures. But I can't imagine the world without elytra now.
It's not a "major problem", it's a way to balance it. The Elytra is really powerful already, but imagine being able to have Protection 4 Netherite armor on while running around with an Elytra.
Im the deepno guy and I have changed my opinion 100% . The reason I wrote that post was because after building a cool base, killing the ender dragon and getting the elytra I felt bored because I thought there wasn't much to do any more . I liked the idea of exploring but the elytra just ruined it for me . But there are so many things you can do after you kill the ender dragon and get the elytra , like building a ton of different farms etc..
@@Deepno-qh2cl how did the elytra ruin exploration in the first place you never had to use it ? u could of walked or ran everywhere or used horses and rails that's up to you there is no correct way to play Minecraft you can play it how every you like I for one never used horses or rail networks because I never liked them so the elytra became a must need item for me to get around to my farms if I didn't want to use nether portal
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The Elytra ruins exploration, but it is necessary to travel between already explored areas, different bases and makes endgame building as we know it viable. Just one of many areas where the devs continue to fail to provide a valid alternative.
It does not ruin it tho, its just different
Why would it ruin exploration? If you don't want to use it, you can.
Solution (I think?): Make the elytra harder to find?
@@beyonder6739 then, what's the difference?
Thank you lauri, now i can choose whether id go for easy elytra or traditional minecart/horses while playing minecraft :)
rails definitely need an update. Something that still allows for the current redstone use, but makes it even better than rockets for long distance transport. Also, Elytra is perfectly fine... if only they reduce the stack size of rockets to 16. Increase ender pearl stack size to 64 to compensate for short distance transport. If players actually care about choice and playing "how you want" then an emphasis should be put on having multiple ways of doing things that are comparably viable. Having one OP item that blows everything out of the water and just telling players to tie their own hands and not play the game as it was intended to avoid broken mechanics really isn't a intelligent answer to the problem. Either Elytra should have nerfs or other modes of transport need massive buffs.
The BetterEnd mod allows you to combine four Ender Pearls into an Ender Block (stackable to 64), which can then be crafted back to four pearls. I like that as a compromise because it limits the number you can have usable on hand while still allowing for much more compact storage.
"nothing4mepls" put it best when they said "Instead of nerfing what's cool, make the lame things cool as well. Minecarts and railways are expensive and buggy. Horses are tedious and unreliable. There's tons of ways to improve them both, don't tear down Elytra just because Mojang is lazy."
@@MGSLurmey I agree with that. Ideally and firstly, just buff the others. And possibly introduce other modes of transport that beat Elytra in long distance transport. Make Elytra decent for everything, but better options exist for both short and long range travel. Maybe also add other chest slot utility items that tempts players to ditch Elytra for those.
The problem with rails and horses in terms of movement is that they need to be improved. For example, rails could be the best way to move resources, and horses could be really useful in combat, boosting the rider's damage with their speed and trampling opponents.
Elytra are a great end game addition, but they too easy to obtain. There should be a mini boss you have to defeat to get to the elytra, similar to how elder guardians guard sponges and the gold room in monuments. This will make getting elytra feel more rewarding for the player.
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I’d like bigger boats or even airships, as moving large amounts of cargo distances is a pain (at least before shulkers) and watching a fleet of rowboats has always been a bit silly, but for me rails need the biggest upgrade.
Honestly I don’t use them as making an laying tracks is rather uninteresting, and other ways of transit, water ladder, boat, horse, walking makes it seem inefficient.
Rails work best in the situations they're used in real life. Trains were designed and used for repetitive cargo transport along permanent routes. If you could link cart together with something like leads or chains, then you could use them as a means of automatically transporting goods from your farms or outposts back to your primary base or sorting system.
The biggest issue with this is that once a cart reaches the edge of the loaded chunks, it stops moving. You can't currently have even a single chest minecart transporting any goods while you're away. They need to have the ability to link carts together, and have a way to dynamically load the chunks ahead of a moving minecart, or keep those chunks loaded permanently like spawn chunks.
I like that the Elytra gives you a new dimension to play in. Me and my friends have built really high houses on our server with Elytra starting and landing places instead of stairs or elevators. It really fits with the steampunk fantasy vibe!
+ i think that actually getting the elytra is not that easy at all so it should be a good item at least. i mean there is a literal dragon and a 1000 block gap of nothing protecting it
Rails can be easily made one of the most useful transportation by allowing us to join the carts and make a long train, passenger or goods
They can do that by adding a seperate item which allows to connect carts or even with chains, or the game can just connect them itself when bought close...
Tho I like the chain idea more
All the first comments be like: Can we appreciate the effort they put in to make these videos??
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And they dont even watch the whole video
True, super annoying.
@Discord User yea right
When you said end ships seem like the place for treasure, I thought about the deep dark and the warden and how there's no point in adventuring down there as there's no reward.
@Neo Anderson Swift Sneak is only good for going to the Deep Dark and it multiplayer.
It would be pretty easy to buff horses simply by making them elytra-equippable for a pegasus. You could then fly AND wear a chestplate for full armor protection. Making the horse's speed and jump influence flight speed and maneuverability would add dynamics and reward breeders/horse finders on SMPs or solo worlds.
We need an update for the horses and minecarts, you should be able to enchant horse armor and you should be able to upgrade minecarts like Redstone additions, furnace to convert steam to mechanical energy and dripstone should break soft blocks and amethyst should break hard blocks (with durability but adding unbreaking and mending should be available)
With how much larger biomes are now than before, an elytra is almost a necessity when it comes to traveling. It’s one of the first things I try to get in the game even before I get diamond armor.
Love how you can clearly distinguish pessimistic from optimistic people in this argument
The biggest impact the Elytra has is that it changes the feel of the world as you explore it. On horse, walking or by any other means of transport you are interacting with the world, you see the tree's you climb the hills you avoid the pits. But with the Elytra there is a disconnect from that which can lead to travel losing it's feeling of wonder and exploration.
No, not even close to being the biggest impact, I don't know how you can even say that. In fact, this isn't even really a problem, when you find something cool you are still going to be like "Oh, cool!" (I do think that it's way too OP though.)
Wow ur videos make me think ur the best MC builder youtuber in the world :)
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I dont habe anything against the elytras, though when using it, it feels like Im playing a modded version of the game - atleast for me - which is why I also enjoy going back to older versions, where players still are bound to the ground. Maybe Im just nostalgic, idk
Great video as always!
I quit playing minecraft a while ago when it felt slow, and getting back into it post elytra, the elytra really speeds up so much and it helped me keep interest since for sure.
The elytra is a late game item,but horses and rails can be used in a middle stage of the game.So it's just an upgrade,not ruining!
It really isn't late game. Minecraft is a slow game, where each building takes quite a bit of time. So if you compare... you'd have elytra, totems, and full prot 4 diamond by the time you finish just the first or second major build.
Unless you play minecraft completely differently by not building anything and for example just defeating bosses, and then starting a new world again, you get elytra very early on and that makes any other mode of transportation painfully inefficent in comparison (exceptions are nether ice boats, ender pearl stasis chambers, and some really weird things only scicraft can afford. Oh i guess dolpin's grace tunnels which is definetely an intended feature).
That said between instamine, elytras, scaffolding, 100% tnt drops, i do appreciate all the new tools for survival players to just do whatever they want faster.
Not really, you can ”semi” speed run Minecraft and get elytra in the first week of the world. I mean many of us have Been playing Minecraft since 2011, its not hard to get an elytra when you are familiar with Minecraft mechanics and easily can exploit them
If it wasn't for fireworks, the elytras wouldn't be this game changing (and also would finally resemble the SMB 64 gliding). Due to fireworks existing the elytra isnt a GLIDING pair of wings, but a FLYING pair of wings
Great vid man!
I think so many people have gotten used to survival series essentially doing speedrunning strats and immediately getting the elytra that they forget how many people take their time in this game. I've been on a server with five people for months now and we're all still mostly in iron gear with some of us riding horses. Gunpowder farms take time and resources, the dragon fight takes time and resources, finding end cities takes time and resources. Some of us dont want to do that immediately, and it's not hard to just not get it for a long time. Not everyone is a technical player, not everyone builds massive auto farms and structures.
Wow, that’s so interesting! When you had to use an arrow to shoot yourself that would have been really annoying. Love all your vids, my favourite youtuber! Keep up your amazing work.
@@Irizathylia Uh… you can use mending on bows you just can’t use it at the same time as infinity
i think they added the firework rocket boosting because if they didnt add a legitimate way to boost yourself, people were just gonna use the punch bows, which was really stupid. i dont think they ever foresaw the punch bow thing. i dont think they ever wanted elytras to be what they became either. but they have this rule about not removing things from the game once they've added them, so they fixed the punch bow thing with the rockets, and just let the elytra be OP, and the game be changed forever.
I loved it. You can traverse the world in a matter that is so much better, faster and relaxing. I am glad they added the rocket feature after the fact. The power bow was painful.
@Discord User and this reply is consistent with my comment. Well done(!)
Yeah I love these types of videos you should do more of them
Mine cart and rail updates would be interesting. Firstly, because of what they would consist of (and the snapshots that would ensue) and then because of what the community would do with them.
It would be cool if there was like an industrial revolution update with changes to rails, redstone, and maybe an ore that is actually useful unlike copper (with most of the update focused on uses for that ore).
They shouldn't add a new ore because copper is useless... why would they do that when they could just make copper useful? Copper irl is used all the time in industrial things.
Why would it ruin a game, its first big update when microsoft actualy done something interesting in game, for game that has update once in half year and that so easily get repetitive and boring it was great update
2016. Ngl my jaw dropped when you said that. Makes me feel super old. I remember playing back on the demo when it first came out
nice stuff, love you guys
Pretty eye-opening to see how the community feels. I've always thought of the elytra as a plus, but I m glad I wacthed this.
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I have always been a player of Vanilla but I enjoy watching mods on youtube. Arguments against the elytra as is are more focused on fast travel. Recalling the pure bliss of a player using the glider and jetpack combo and I could not ever imagine a Vanilla experience similar. Now here we are with rockets and elytra, gliding to new edges of our worlds super fast and seeing our builds from angles only obnoxiously high pillars could frame. I couldn't be happier with Minecraft today!
Nice explanation and analysis! 👍
It's a funny discussion to me because I can remember when sprinting came out and I thought it was a terrible design decision that made rail systems obsolete. Even now I'd rather sprinting be locked behind an enchantment or something. I always loved how rugged Minecraft terrain was and how difficult/slow it was to navigate. This made rail systems and boat systems feel like an important and useful build where as now you can sprint jump wherever you want to go. All that said, I still love the game and Mojang decided to go a different direction than I would have liked and that's ok.
To bring this back to the Elytra, I absolutely loved the addition. I think you get it at a great time in the game's progression and it is really was a magical thing to fly for the first time in survival. Also the way you get it by crossing dangerous gaps in the void, dodging endermen and overall just making a huge trek across the end is a great finale to the walking/running part of the game.
Part of the problem is that it’s substantially harder & more expensive to create long rail systems than it is to get elytra, even though elytra are much more powerful. They could be made much rarer, or rails could be cheaper or make idk
No one talking about how the VIDEO type was.
Well, I would like to see more videos like this one.
I like how the stained glass for the beacon in the end ship stayed even after the beacon was removed from it
Having played on vanilla SMP for years with griefing and raiding allowed, I find the Elytra, the Ender Chest and Shulker Chest to be the least fun added features. It has become way too easy to just fly out tens or hundreds of thousands of blocks from spawn and essentially play single-player on a multi-player server. Even in the off chance your base does get found, all your valuables are hidden inside Shulker Chests inside your Ender Chest, making it so unworthwhile to even attempt raiding. (inb4 the comments saying raiders suck) Elytras can also cause a lot of server lag if you multiple people flying around and loading in new chunks all the time.
Well i would say its just a way to ease things 😜
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Yes I would definitely like to see some new rail updates. Maybe like SUPER rails which propel you much faster than powered rails or something like that.
It would be so cool to see minecarts get back in as the fastest form of travel. 😎
I really enjoyed this video!
The elytra: a disgustingly overpowered item. Renders boats, minecarts and horses useless, open field combat becomes impossible when the opponent is wearing one and it destroys the little remaining challenge in the late game (mainly falling and other dumb mistakes). The elytra should have never been added but now because we have drugged these hardcore elytra simps with its poison we should at least agree on a serious and punishing nerf.
Edit: I say a perfect nerf would be to make it nightmarishly difficult to turn and add some sort of "stalling" or difficulty in gaining altitude with it just enough so that it only becomes useful at exaggerated distance. I hate seeing people use it to travel like 50 to 100 blocks
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Why would they nerf something in a peaceful single player game ?
Also would you nerf protection 4 because it destroys the challenge ? Would you nerf beacons cause it makes everything so easy ? Would you forbid using the chests if you are storing only one item because they are meant to store 54 ?
Think about it this way.
@@michalgabriel9647 prot 4 but you will die to fire and falling. Beacons but the wither needs to die and lots of materials are needed to power it for speed mining. Chests but the player obtains an exaggerated amount of items throughout the game so an equally powerful storage is needed. Then we have the elytra... you just sort of obtain it and the games meaning just dies. One main aspect of creative mode is flying because without it creative wouldn't be the same. The "survival" aspect of survival is lost with the elytra. You are no longer surviving, you are just in creative.
@@nicolasrus8575 Well prot 4 defends you against everything so.. but you actually proven my point that the danger is somewhere else (fire~kinetic). The beacon is as easily obtained as elythra, yeah it need powering with iron where you would need a farm however elythra needs an sugar and gunpowder farm as well. I will also mention that the flying aspect is so different from creative. In creative it is for building a viewing unlike elythra where you can fly only straight ahead feeling like a free creature full of happiness. It deffinitely didnot destroy minecraft.
@@michalgabriel9647 the only thing that irritates me about elytra is its unrealistic versatility. Its too maneuverable, too easy to use and too cheap to maintain in the late game. Things like prot 4 and beacons also annoy me a little because mojang adds all these advantages to the player but they never once looked to the challenge element. Minecraft in its first stages was challenging In the sense that there was no enchanting, food couldn't be stacked, etc. I guess the warden is meant to reintroduce the challenge element on a late game scale but the point is. Too many op things and no challenge so we should try remove or nerfing some of them. Elytra being the most op.
I first played minecraft on 1.2, some 10 years ago, and I decided to pick it up again recently. I killed the ender dragon a couple years before and I opened up the old world again with the intention of exploring all the updates I'd basically ignored over the years. I got a full set of netherite gear with all the enchantments including mending, I got a nice villager system set up, I killed a couple withers and made some beacons, then I had to get a ton of iron to make the bases for the beacons, all that jazz. I was a little intimidated by the idea of exploring the end because there's just a ton of void everywhere and I didn't wanna lose my crap, but I figured what the hell and finally went around looking for elytra.
I found a set, and it's been absolutely thrilling. There's something really special about going around my old world and seeing everything rush by under me, and all the big details I never noticed from the ground. Seeing my little village and all my little buildings from far away and the neat little shapes they form in the distance is really cool. I do feel very spoiled for speed now; walking or even running feels too slow, but I don't think I would give up my elytra wings just so I can preserve the experience of running or horseriding. Even if elytra does take away from some of the minecraft experience, I think it expanded things more than it took things away.
Great video! :)
I've been playing Minecraft since shortly after it went into Beta, so I've seen a lot of changed. IMO the elytra is the 3rd biggest change to the game behind 1. Beds and 2. Enchanting. Beds and Enchanting both completely altered how I played the game, with beds being self explanatory. With respect to enchanting, every time I start a new world my goal is to get an enchanting table asap and then get fortune on an iron pick before I collect any more diamonds. The power of fortune is even greater now that iron and copper are impacted too. As for the elytra, I love it! It is so much fun to fly around and see the world from a bird's eye view.
With all that being said, I still build bridges and rail networks for a few reasons. First I just enjoy building roads across my world, I build inns for players to stop for night, I like building bridges over rivers, exposed ravines even small oceans. It doesn't bother me at all that the elytra renders those modes of transportation less efficient, I build them because I enjoy it. Secondly I build rail networks all the time, either as overworld subways, which doubles as a way to collect stone for building projects, through the upper end of the nether. Again I know ice boats and the elytra are both faster, but I like the afk aspect of rails, and I have nostalgia to when rails were the best way to get around. I can still remember the world where my brother and I started at opposite ends and dug a 13,400 block subway tunnel to connect the world spawn to his base. It was a long rail ride, but you could afk. Also I still use rail networks for my strip mines, dump everything into a chest cart and it zips up to a hopper sorting system on the surface.
Everything in Minecraft still has an application and purpose if the player wants to use it. Want to travel by horse and build up a stable breeding the best horses? Go for it. Want to zip around with elytras and unlimited rockets from a creeper farm, all while building floating islands in the overworld? More power to you. That is what keeps me playing Minecraft all these years later, you can do what you want, and how you want, whether you're on a smp world or single player.
Perhaps they could add a faster rail and raise tree height a bit to make rails and horses more practical
i think its pretty cool when we have new rails to fro example a rail that teleports you to another rail like enderchest a rail that launch you in the air
I love how there's a picture of a random Czech physics exercise at 5:37 :D
I love this type of informational video ❣️