I would like see Chris discuss taking a lie, particularly in difficult spots. I know that interfering with the course other than during or as a result of a player's throwing motion (such as holding a branch out of your line with your hand or arm) is not allowed, but i have had interesting discussions about blocking objects with your body, e.g. taking a lie inside of a bush.
I witnessed an interesting case of interference at my last tournament. My card just finished a short hole where the basket was at the top of a hill with a lake at the bottom. We were on the next tee (which was at the bottom of the hill) when we saw a drive from the card behind us catch an edge and roll down. One of the guys on our card raced out and grabbed the disc a foot before it rolled into the pond. (Why yes, it was his first tournament, how’d you know?) It took much discussion between us, the card behind us, and the TD to sort it out. The player on our card should have been assessed a 2-stroke penalty, but the TD gave him a warning instead. (He was so far back in the standings it would’ve made no difference.) The guy who threw the disc got to play it right where the other player stopped it with no OB penalty. While this should have been a boon to the thrower, he later told me that the whole scenario threw him off his mental game and he couldn’t get it back together again.
That is wild. I had someone (not disc golfer) pick up my disc that was parked on a blind hole - we looked for the disc - I figured it caught an edge and rolled somewhere- I re teed and later got a call from a guy that he found a Frisbee with my name and number by the basket we were on. 😂
Actually Steam probably WOULD be covered by 803.02 (B) (If it was physically preventing the player from taking a legal stance. I myself wouldn't pick a fight with steam.. (By the way... it's probably NOT steam... but water droplets you are seeing... as "Steam" is near invisible until it cools/condenses into water droplets...). I sort of have an issue with 803.02 as it misses an obvious need to cover ALL obstacles that could harm you... For instance, a hornets nest (ok we don't have Hornets in NZ... but we have Ongaonga... (Urtica ferox or tree nettle)... It's been know to kill horses and 1 New Zealander (on record)... as if Gorse isn't bad enough... (I was chatting to an American tourist who marvelled in the fact that Wellington's hills were covered with a beautiful yellow flowered bush... Yeh thanks to my Scottish rellies bringing a needle covered bush (oh and they brought Scottish thistle too) for fencing... I've had a thorn pierce my eye lens... Left me with a psychedelic wrinkly opaque cellophane thumbprint vision out of one eye for a day... luckily it didn't leave the rotten tip that usually sticks in your skin (often with a piece of thread from your clothing... many a night picking blue (jeans) thorns out of my knees after trail riding the hills) in my eye... That woulda been fun. Got to see a neat "Sonar?" of my eye with a volcano shaped piercing in the lens. (I never needed a Dr till I was 40)... and only since with self inflicted damage... sigh. Even the rash that looked like shingles turned out to be (I guess) a heat rash from getting waaaay to close to a diesel heater while a bit 'under the weather'.
What would be the difference between 811.f.2 "Intentionally failing to complete a hole constitutes withdrawal from competition" and 811.f.6 Omitted Hole? If I get up to the tee and intentionally skip the hole because I always get a bad score and want to take par + 4, what would make it omitted vs intentionally failing to complete it?
Question: I was told dead branches in front of your disc can be moved as stated... A player may move casual obstacles that are on the playing surface farther from the target than the front edge of the lie. A casual obstacle is any item or collection of loose debris (such as stones, leaves, twigs, or unconnected branches), or any item as designated by the Director. Objects intentionally placed as part of the course or event are not casual obstacles.
the text you quoted says "farther from the target" which would mean behind your disc. If it said 'objects closer to the target may be moved" then you could move branches in front of your disc
If you see this, what's your take on the new 802.05 - Lie changes for 2024? With the rule now stating "If the playing surface ends, the line of play continues on the nearest playing surface following that line," wouldn't that mean a player whose disc lands on the front side of a 10' wide tree can opt to play behind the tree base, opening up a potentially better angle with less hazards? Just waiting to see this play out randomly on JOMEZ someday.
There was a small discrepancy in the casual water. You don't always have to take relief backwards from the water. If you land on the side closer to the hole then roll backwards into the water then you are allowed to take relief forward from the water.
Interesting case happened to me. A guy in my card arrived late after we all completed our first teeshot. We allowed him to play the teeshot (even if in theory he was first in the order) and to complete the hole. After the round he got a par+4 penalty
@@riccardorossini1169 it’s not a grey area, if he’s not there when it’s his turn to throw, than you wait 30 seconds after that he doesn’t get to play the hole.
That's Funny....1st competitive round I ever played.... Chandler Kramer called me on a courtesy violation after missed putt, next one I smashed the basket and Said FU basket... true story No One second it.... they know that frustration of making a phenomenal up shot to have a look at par and have a strong side spit out,,,,
Can you add stuff to your lie if you want to? For example if my lie is in a puddle of water and I want to throw from it, can I add for example a rock or piece of wood on which I can put my foot without having to step into the water and getting wet?
What does advancing beyond the away player mean? Is that like going up the fairway the group can't pass the farthest away? I thought that was just courtesy.
Had an issue with wrong hole in a tournament slapped together becuse city literally wanted a tournament 1 second after concrete hand cured on course so a local pro on lowest rung of Innova as a pro in 2008 he ran a tournament made in under a week as when he was told to have a PDGA Sanctioned tournament around 6 days. So, some holes in one tournament were not bagged up becuse wind took one of Bags in round one SO we played both baskets a temp, for hole as did all but group tournament director was in and asked before writing up correct scores on course having our scores on pieces of paper for hole. Also, everyone had to take a picture of handwriting rules becuse his printer a cheap Cannon Died and some of handwriting was poorly done like a Mando around tallest of 3 cottonwoods on a hole and all 3 were in same area and around same height where again all but his Pro card played all 3 trees as Mando without a drop zone.
Ok, so if there's a 4 card backup in the middle of a round, and a hole that we had played previously is nearby, could I go throw some shots on that hole without any penalty? Assuming no one else is playing the hole, of course. And if that would be allowed, would the ruling be different if I threw a few shots on a hole that we hadn't yet played?
Any and all of the throws you describe are practice throws and NOT allowed once the round begins. These would only be allowed if the round was suspended for weather.
The stick infront of my disc is getting moved cause that rule is going to injure ppl ... Even the person demonstrating almost messed up there ankle ...
@PilotJames025 I just looked it up. I found that the 2 meter rule is most commonly used in California, however it is the tournament director's choice whether or not it is in effect
Anyone got a third party app that can speed up audio so it sounds like this AI is actually speaking in a human cadence? This robot sounds insufferable.
best cartoon graphics EVER!!!
Great stuff! it would be great if some day you explain the edge cases of the mandatory+OB rules
Great info!! I prob won’t remember these on the course so I’ll pretend I didn’t know better 😂
I would like see Chris discuss taking a lie, particularly in difficult spots.
I know that interfering with the course other than during or as a result of a player's throwing motion (such as holding a branch out of your line with your hand or arm) is not allowed, but i have had interesting discussions about blocking objects with your body, e.g. taking a lie inside of a bush.
I witnessed an interesting case of interference at my last tournament. My card just finished a short hole where the basket was at the top of a hill with a lake at the bottom. We were on the next tee (which was at the bottom of the hill) when we saw a drive from the card behind us catch an edge and roll down. One of the guys on our card raced out and grabbed the disc a foot before it rolled into the pond. (Why yes, it was his first tournament, how’d you know?) It took much discussion between us, the card behind us, and the TD to sort it out. The player on our card should have been assessed a 2-stroke penalty, but the TD gave him a warning instead. (He was so far back in the standings it would’ve made no difference.) The guy who threw the disc got to play it right where the other player stopped it with no OB penalty. While this should have been a boon to the thrower, he later told me that the whole scenario threw him off his mental game and he couldn’t get it back together again.
That is wild. I had someone (not disc golfer) pick up my disc that was parked on a blind hole - we looked for the disc - I figured it caught an edge and rolled somewhere- I re teed and later got a call from a guy that he found a Frisbee with my name and number by the basket we were on. 😂
Poor Big Jerm. Lol
Good stuff. Thanks for reviewing the subtleties of the rules.
I feel like this is a personal attack on Jerm. 😂
This was an awesome break down!
Actually Steam probably WOULD be covered by 803.02 (B) (If it was physically preventing the player from taking a legal stance. I myself wouldn't pick a fight with steam..
(By the way... it's probably NOT steam... but water droplets you are seeing... as "Steam" is near invisible until it cools/condenses into water droplets...).
I sort of have an issue with 803.02 as it misses an obvious need to cover ALL obstacles that could harm you... For instance, a hornets nest (ok we don't have Hornets in NZ... but we have Ongaonga... (Urtica ferox or tree nettle)... It's been know to kill horses and 1 New Zealander (on record)... as if Gorse isn't bad enough... (I was chatting to an American tourist who marvelled in the fact that Wellington's hills were covered with a beautiful yellow flowered bush... Yeh thanks to my Scottish rellies bringing a needle covered bush (oh and they brought Scottish thistle too) for fencing... I've had a thorn pierce my eye lens... Left me with a psychedelic wrinkly opaque cellophane thumbprint vision out of one eye for a day... luckily it didn't leave the rotten tip that usually sticks in your skin (often with a piece of thread from your clothing... many a night picking blue (jeans) thorns out of my knees after trail riding the hills) in my eye... That woulda been fun.
Got to see a neat "Sonar?" of my eye with a volcano shaped piercing in the lens. (I never needed a Dr till I was 40)... and only since with self inflicted damage... sigh. Even the rash that looked like shingles turned out to be (I guess) a heat rash from getting waaaay to close to a diesel heater while a bit 'under the weather'.
What would be the difference between 811.f.2 "Intentionally failing to complete a hole constitutes withdrawal from competition" and 811.f.6 Omitted Hole? If I get up to the tee and intentionally skip the hole because I always get a bad score and want to take par + 4, what would make it omitted vs intentionally failing to complete it?
I think you just answered. You intentionally failed to play it versus being late and missing the first hole for example
Question: I was told dead branches in front of your disc can be moved as stated...
A player may move casual obstacles that are on the playing surface farther from the target than the front edge of the lie. A casual obstacle is any item or collection of loose debris (such as stones, leaves, twigs, or unconnected branches), or any item as designated by the Director. Objects intentionally placed as part of the course or event are not casual obstacles.
the text you quoted says "farther from the target" which would mean behind your disc. If it said 'objects closer to the target may be moved" then you could move branches in front of your disc
Great content.
If you see this, what's your take on the new 802.05 - Lie changes for 2024?
With the rule now stating "If the playing surface ends, the line of play continues on the nearest playing surface following that line," wouldn't that mean a player whose disc lands on the front side of a 10' wide tree can opt to play behind the tree base, opening up a potentially better angle with less hazards?
Just waiting to see this play out randomly on JOMEZ someday.
very professional editing
There was a small discrepancy in the casual water. You don't always have to take relief backwards from the water. If you land on the side closer to the hole then roll backwards into the water then you are allowed to take relief forward from the water.
No
What if you throw 8 on a par 4 and still have ways to go? Can you omit the hole, take a +4 and go to the next hole?
Idk if you’re aware, but there’s 3 minutes of black at the end of the video
Interesting case happened to me. A guy in my card arrived late after we all completed our first teeshot. We allowed him to play the teeshot (even if in theory he was first in the order) and to complete the hole. After the round he got a par+4 penalty
I could be wrong, but I think you should’ve also received penalty strokes for practice throws
@@YashaKoman why so? We started the round as scheduled. For me it was just a grey zone regarding him still playing the hole
@@riccardorossini1169 it’s not a grey area, if he’s not there when it’s his turn to throw, than you wait 30 seconds after that he doesn’t get to play the hole.
with the omitted hole rule, if you take a +5 or more, could you just skip that hole for a +4
That's Funny....1st competitive round I ever played.... Chandler Kramer called me on a courtesy violation after missed putt, next one I smashed the basket and Said FU basket... true story
No One second it.... they know that frustration of making a phenomenal up shot to have a look at par and have a strong side spit out,,,,
Can you add stuff to your lie if you want to? For example if my lie is in a puddle of water and I want to throw from it, can I add for example a rock or piece of wood on which I can put my foot without having to step into the water and getting wet?
So as far as moving a stick behind your lie it is NOT "dead and unattached" it is "dead and unattached AND in contact with the playing surface"?
What does advancing beyond the away player mean? Is that like going up the fairway the group can't pass the farthest away? I thought that was just courtesy.
It just means not waiting for the furthest away player to take their shot
Yes, if you walk past where the away player needs to throw from, you could get a courtesy violation. That's how I understand it, anyway.
BU let’s goooo!
So why couldnt Gannon move that discbag he landed on last year? (forgot which tournament). Isn't that a casual obstacle?
He was allowed to (official told him), he just didn't want to. I remember Gannon talking about this in an interview
@@crypt84aha, was a funny moment.
You need money to buy a PDGA but to test requirements needed that makes no sense but dollars for them and no discs for your bag
Had an issue with wrong hole in a tournament slapped together becuse city literally wanted a tournament 1 second after concrete hand cured on course so a local pro on lowest rung of Innova as a pro in 2008 he ran a tournament made in under a week as when he was told to have a PDGA Sanctioned tournament around 6 days. So, some holes in one tournament were not bagged up becuse wind took one of Bags in round one SO we played both baskets a temp, for hole as did all but group tournament director was in and asked before writing up correct scores on course having our scores on pieces of paper for hole. Also, everyone had to take a picture of handwriting rules becuse his printer a cheap Cannon Died and some of handwriting was poorly done like a Mando around tallest of 3 cottonwoods on a hole and all 3 were in same area and around same height where again all but his Pro card played all 3 trees as Mando without a drop zone.
So if a Disc hits a fan in flight it could be deemed interference and the player could retee with no penelty?
It it just hits the person no. Only if the fan actively grabbed mid flight the for example. "course [..] intentionally altered" is the keyword
Ok, so if there's a 4 card backup in the middle of a round, and a hole that we had played previously is nearby, could I go throw some shots on that hole without any penalty? Assuming no one else is playing the hole, of course.
And if that would be allowed, would the ruling be different if I threw a few shots on a hole that we hadn't yet played?
Any and all of the throws you describe are practice throws and NOT allowed once the round begins. These would only be allowed if the round was suspended for weather.
All practice throws during the round count as strokes.
Dang. Thought I found a loophole. Lol. Thanks.
The stick infront of my disc is getting moved cause that rule is going to injure ppl ... Even the person demonstrating almost messed up there ankle ...
Agreed. I always ask my card beforehand. If someone ask me I tell them they can move it and I expect the same
Or just don't use step/jump put.
@@terot8341 ya let's have 1 bad rule effect other rules if I'm outside the circle I'm aloud to step putt and not chance breaking an ankle
@@Juan_Maldonado320 If you expect the same, why bother asking? If someone says no, are you going to move it anyway?
I’m not letting you move it if I’m on the card with you
Ive played tons of rounds with people people who have no ettiquette
nice
If my disc gets stuck in a tree, does I add a penalty stroke then throw?
If it's 2+ meters from the ground and you're in California, then yes
@@MeOne2Three4what about other states?
@PilotJames025 I just looked it up. I found that the 2 meter rule is most commonly used in California, however it is the tournament director's choice whether or not it is in effect
@@MeOne2Three4 @PilotJames025 One other example outside California would the the Memorial Championship in AZ
Assuming the 2 meter rule is not in effect, you take your lie directly below your disc with no penalty.
Jeez what the heck kind of spiders do you have?
807 rules?
how about something on the rule of verticality
Poor Jerm lol
Here’s a weird one; if you’re a man you can compete in the women’s category
I just don’t understand how they can let that happen.
Only if you leave your testicles at home or locked up in the trunk.
PDGA IS OUT OF CONTROL! FORM A NEW ASSOCIATION!
Good luck with that.
Anyone got a third party app that can speed up audio so it sounds like this AI is actually speaking in a human cadence? This robot sounds insufferable.