The door represents the fact that we do what the members of the play do willfully. This is a critical point to understand that we act the way we do and feel the way we do willfully. We have a choice in all of this. He could have exited but he did not because he did what he did willfully. MarkMannM2
That was VERY well articulated. It has been years since I read No Exit. I remember loving it, but didn't actually remember many of the specifics you talked about here. For example I don't remember the moment Garcin decides to stay, but I would say that even if by staying he is learning more about himself than he ever wanted to know through the "eyes" of Estelle and Inez, leaving would be worse. Because they are constructing him and his character, without them he wouldn't exist. There would REALLY be no mirror for him, and that would be unbearable. I dunno. Now I have to re-read it. Thanks for the mind-bend.
Yes! That is what I was thinking too! That, and leaving doesn't solve his suffering, it ensures its continuation. The only way he can stop it is to get acceptance from Inez. It is a really great play, and if you are interested, there is a good adaptation on UA-cam 😊😊
Oh I never considered their initial perceptions were reflecting themselves! That makes so much sense. Estelle says she forgets who she is when she can’t physically see her reflection, so when she looks at Garcin and he isn’t looking back, he imagines he is someone with no face, because she can’t see herself and therefore is no one- faceless. That’s awesome.
Absolutely! The mind's inner mirror reflects to us what it is we are thinking--Sartre wrote a lot about the self-reflecting consciousness throughout his career, and I think this play really captures a lot of it 😊
Garcin doesn't leave because he is trapped by his mission go-to convince others of the "truth" about himself. The inability to "drop the subject" is common in obsessive personalitys. None of the three characters could leave the room, if offered the chance!
@ 1:00 "..why hell may be a bit closer to our present-day lives than we may want to believe." (haha) ..a Schopenhauerian flourish, perhaps? :-) Great review of a fascinating play. (I think it was in one of my high school English classes, long ago..) :-)
@@attention5638 hmm, I'll have to think about that.. (not sure if that was the mission for either of them, especially Schopenhauer.) There can be a clash b/w human needs for optimism and hope versus the Hellenistic-rational, secular-scientific desire to see the world as clearly and accurately as possible (which can be be displeasing). The primal Buddhist insight (echoed by Schopenhauer) that human lives inevitably lead to sickness, aging and death is difficult to argue with, as depressing as it is. All the times he made me laugh certainly weren't miserable. [Tolstoy, I think, referred to him as the most brilliant of men.] John Gray had an interesting section on him in '7 Types of Atheism' ("Mystical Atheism"). Words can be used as up-votes or down-votes (a Schopenhauer fan may call him a "realist," and a non-fan might call him a "pessimist" spreading misery). So, I guess on philosophers (or writers) it's like a cafeteria; people take what they like and leave what they don't. :-) I've got mixed feelings b/c Schopenhauer's writings seems to have some (harsh) truths in them, but I've read that for health and longevity it's important for human beings to have or at least try to have optimism, so if that's true... I'm not sure what to think. [Does a healthy life depend to some degree on self-deception?] I would think that moderate pessimism at times (as "anxious foresight") could have survival benefits as well. To be fair: A strike against old Arthur was that (apparently) except for his succession of pet poodles, he was not a loving person at all. So, that's uncool, if true. [Sorry for the long comment postscript, and if this is annoying...] I'm starved for intellectual engagement! :-)
Amazing how much great information you manage to concisely pack into your videos. And this is not ‘easy’ material, so thanks for making it very digestible and memorable.
Thank you so much! Sartre would make the top three writers that I read, he is one of my favorites, for sure. I tried to keep the philosophy to a minimum as best I could haha but yes! Some of these ideas he expresses here are just brilliant!😊
I’m so glad I found this channel. Love you you approached this text. The gaze and mirror usage sounds absolutely fascinating. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
I think going through the door would represent death. One the metaphorical level the play is about life and social interactions, and the only way to escape those things, if it truly is a tortuous hell, is to die. On the more literally level of them being in actual hell: despite the fact they hate being in the room they refuse to go out when the door opens. Nothing scary is out there, he’d just been begging to escape even if it meant physical punishments instead- yet all three refuse to go out. There’s nothing on the other side but darkness. This to me is them being given the opportunity to leave hell and enter non-existence. A true death. But since they can’t stand the idea of not getting their closure, none of them can bear to go. Garcin won’t let Estelle shove Inez out, because he is afraid to go and can’t allow her to leave until she believes he is not a coward.
I really like how you put it as entering a non-existence to a "true death." Doing this would kill the ego, and as you say, Garcin cannot allow someone else to believe he is something that he believes he is not, something his ego would not allow--this judgment from the other. it is worse than a true death. That is great, thank you so much for sharing this! 😎
I love the rubber duck chilling on the desk 😂 That was such a great analysis of the book! I love how you made your explanation sound so accessible and comprehensible 🙌🏼 I wish I had watched this last year when I had the pleasure to meet Sartre and his Being and Nothingness and "Hell is other people" in my philosophy module 😂
Oh! I didn't see this! Thank you so much! This is one of my favourite plays and have spent some time studying it. There is just so much to talk about in it. 😊😊
Cool talk it reminded me a lot of The Good Place, the longer I continue watching the video the more i see The Good place inspiration xD. Your Analyses are the best, my friend!!
Its been a heck of a while since I read this stuff. Why did Garcin CHOOSE not to leave the room? Hows about this: Rather than accepting the great burden that comes with FREEDOM, or, indeed, radically accepting the terrifying reality that he's condemned to BE FREE, Garcin either chooses to surrender his FREE will to Other People or else decides the time has passed for him to make any difference since he is now dead an therefore UNFREE: better to remain in the company of torturers in Hell rather than to face an eternity alone; NOT being alone at least means existing in relation to Others. Based on his decision not to leave the room, Garcin at least has the chance to be tortured and EXIST as something rather than nothing; something is greater than nothing when our existence depends on Other People, and he is compelled to Exist even in HELL.
Fantastic response! Sartre frequently expresses the burden that comes with freedom throughout much of his work, and I believe that is exactly what is being expressed here. Existing in Hell rather than facing an eternity alone (which would ultimately equate not non existance) I think is exactly right. Thank you for such a great response!
@@attention5638 we cannot conceive or face the prospect of being all alone for an eternity, since we only exist in relation to others, right? This is why Garcin surrenders himself as an 'object of torture' by choosing to remain part of this 'circle of hell'. And every relationship has the potential to be NO EXIT like hell, hence sartre himself said that if you choose not to 'break free' from the circle of hell, then you are essentially condemning yourself to live in hell. I'm a bit 'rusty' with this stuff, but Sartre's ideas are so powerful and once you have read him, it stays with you. I remember visiting his grave and paying my personal respect to him. He has a fittingly humble grave.
I’ve never heard of this before, but it sounds like something I probably just wouldn’t ‘get’, so this analysis was super interesting to me! Great video as always, hope you enjoy your weekend ☺️
I have never heard of this play, but I am always fascinated by different depictions of Hell. Sounds bleak, but ever so intriguing. I love the idea of "hell is other people." I'm an introvert, so I agree completely, lol. But really intriguing analysis of this play, as always!
I'm really impressed with all the books you are introducing on your channel. No Exit is truly intriguing for me which yet again the book that I've never heard of. Thank you for your great and in depth analysis!! Keep it up 😊😊
Is it possible that garcin is too coward to walk out into the unknown. “Better known devil than unknown angel”. Also, Not knowing where he would end up, I think he would rather face himself in the eyes of Estelle and Inez. Great summary btw
Fantastic interpretation of something I have never heard of but am now intrigued by. Assuming your reading of this is correct the writer sounds remarkably intelligent.
Haha Sartre, in my opinion, was one of the most brilliant philosophers of the 20th century. Along with de Beauvoir, of course (arguably "Ethics of Ambiguity" gives a better understanding of existential thought of the 19th century than Being and Nothingness). As always, thank you for checking this out! Hope all is well on your end.😊😊
I saw a production of "No Exit" at the Cleveland Playhouse in the early '80s and loved it. I like existentialism, a lot. I even had a "No Exit" roadsign on my wall, for decades, back in the day ... Good one, bud 😎
Existentialism is an interesting study, for sure. Especially in phenomenology and ontology. To a degree and in many aspects of everyone's life, existential ideals are seen, for sure. Philosophers that we consider existential thinkers (even if the didn't subscribe to the term: Heidegger, Camus, ex.) Have been my favorite to study. I really have to get a "No Exit" road sign. That is awesome 😅😊
An excellent take on Sartre, and I really appreciate the point that one can still be in "bad faith" even if they have a legitimate moral reason to oppose war (for example). I've always been interested in the suicide with the gunshot to the face, for this suggests an effort to escape "the gaze," for the face is the source of "the gaze." Yet in having Garcin cover his face and still cause reflection in other people, this suggests that even "escaping our face" doesn't help us escape "gazing" and "the gaze." If we are alive, even if we are faceless, we cannot escape "looking."
What a fantastic point! And this reminded me of something David Foster Wallace said in his lecture "This is Water." If you haven't already heard that brilliant lecture, it is popular on YT--highly recommend it! Though he is talking about something different, he mentions briefly about the reason for so many suicides ending in such a way. I bet you could make a great connection with this and DFW's lecture!😮
@@attention5638 That’s a perfect connection! What Wallace says fits well with Sartre. Indeed, I often think of the desire for there to be a moment where “the experiencing” just stops for a little bit, but it never does. If it stops, it stops for good. Sure, we can sleep, but then we either dream or don’t remember sleeping. Perhaps this can be connected with Freud’s “death drive?” Yea, might have to write that paper…
In No Exit, each of the two other people either brings out the worst in the subject, or makes the subject feel awful about themselves, or both. This holds true for all three characters.
Always learn something new every video!! The only time I came close to something similar to Dante’s Inferno was the movie As Above So Below so it was so interesting to learn more about No Exit!!
I've heard of this play but not by name. Is it so that Garson is given the choice to leave at one point but opts to stay with his tormentor, or am I mistaken?
He does, and I have a few ideas on why. I thought maybe, it would be more tormenting for him to leave with someone thinking he is a coward, and would just end up with someone else believing the same thing. So by staying, he is just limiting the number of of possible tormentors. I have heard a few other really good I interpretations as well. 😊😊
😬 Sounds like some nice light reading... Ah! Fascinating! I’m going to have to watch the play and come back to this with my thoughts, because at the moment I have noodles for brains.
I'm new to reading Sartre so take my thought with that grain but I get the impression that garcin doesn't leave the room as a commentary on how, when presented with liberation or a way out of the condemnation of others definitions of ourselves, we don't take that step. To garcin, he didn't leave because he exists as defined by the others, even though he is tormented, and to leave would be to lose the definition of himself or to escape the bad faith definition of himself, anyway, which gives him comfort to some degree.
This is really great, and I would completely agree. Sartre talks a lot about this in Being and Nothingness. He states that the other "causes there to be a being that is my being." How one conducts themself in the world is manifest and grounded in the subjectivity of the other. Great comment, and thank you for sharing!
Phenomenal discussion, as usual. I haven't read or seen this play, but I'm assuming the whole getting shot in the face thing must take place off stage? Otherwise, you'd need to re-cast the role for each performance, eh? Oh my, that was some dark humor today. I actually spent a long time studying consubstantiation, from a non-religious view, so I should have a lot to say about this, but I'm hungry so I'm going to go make some dinner.
Hahah, well, it is Sartre, so who knows if they had to replace an actor here and there 🤣 but now I am interested in consubstantiation from a non-religious point of view. I dont think I have ever heard of the idea outside the protestant church.
No Exit - Oh wow, no night time....that already plays with my head. I love the idea of the characters being stuck in a room. Must take some real character building from the Author. "Hell is other people" very powerful. I like the sounds of this play.
I'm going to have to read through this play (or better yet, see it somehow). My biggest curiosity is always how much of this deeper meaning is easily accessible to the common viewer (like me). I suppose that's the benefit of plays. If the actors are good it makes a huge impact on the digestibility of the work. On the theme itself: how we view ourselves + the weight we put on how others view us = insanity
There are some good adaptations on UA-cam. But other than that, I have never seen it in person. I have read it multiple times, and I think one has to be somewhat familiar with Sartre's philosophy to see the deeper meaning. On the surface, it really is just three awful people in a room that dont get along hahah. 😅
I've never heard of this play! It sounds like it would be an interesting experience to see this performed live haha. It kind of reminds me of The Dead by Joyce. I think he decides not to leave the room bc he was scared of where he would end up next. Going to have to check one out! I read the Hunger Artist! I loved it! It gave me dark comedy vibes haha
I have never read The Dead by Joyce, but now I am very interested haha. I think you would really like this play. There are some good adaptations on UA-cam!😊 And that is so awesome! I think Kafka would agree with "dark comedy." Though a lot of people wouldn't consider his work comedy, in his journals, it is clear he himself actually thought they were kind of funny 😅
Wow! Fascinating discussion! I had never thought of hell as the intruding 'freedom of the other,' and the way the play explores that concept sounds creepy. I'm going to guess deciding not to leave the room is because 'no self' is more frightening that a sense of self dictated by the perception of others? It sounds like the characters can't escape the desire to manipulate the other's perception. I haven't read it, so I'm sorry I misunderstood anything! 😅
Oh! It doesn't sound like you miss interpreted at all! I love that reason for him not leaving. I haven't thought of that! 😮 I had thought, since he needed the acceptance of Inez, leaving wouldn't fix his suffering because she already had the perception of him as a coward. Leaving, he would have to live with that for eternity. But I like the idea of him staying because the alternative may be no existence at all. The fear of not existing at all is pretty terrifying. Thank you so much for the thoughtful comment!😊😊
@@attention5638 I agree. If existence is defined by the perception and judgement of others, then leaving the room would render Garcin alone for all of eternity without identity. Worse than judgement by bad faith actions, is an eternity being forced to re-define yourself without the judgement of others, eventually confronting those bad-faith actions. His decision to remain is a decision to continue to avoid reality. Lest he become non-existent when he fails to redefine himself without the other.
The whole part (Your Explanation)about Bad Faith , gave me some ideas. Hope you don't mind me using it.😁 My Grandfather use 2 tell me We are our Decisions. Enjoyed as usual. You always make me think, and My head hurt. LoL 🤪 Again. I thoroughly enjoyed. Look forward 2 Your next Video my Friend. 👍
Oh! Please do use it! A new song idea?😮 I will definitely look forward to that! I sent your music to a few friends with that last song. Haha Your Grandfather may have been an existentialist, we would have gotten along haha. Thank you so much! Hope all is well on your end!😊😊🎵🎸
The door represents the fact that we do what the members of the play do willfully. This is a critical point to understand that we act the way we do and feel the way we do willfully. We have a choice in all of this. He could have exited but he did not because he did what he did willfully. MarkMannM2
That was VERY well articulated. It has been years since I read No Exit. I remember loving it, but didn't actually remember many of the specifics you talked about here. For example I don't remember the moment Garcin decides to stay, but I would say that even if by staying he is learning more about himself than he ever wanted to know through the "eyes" of Estelle and Inez, leaving would be worse. Because they are constructing him and his character, without them he wouldn't exist. There would REALLY be no mirror for him, and that would be unbearable. I dunno. Now I have to re-read it. Thanks for the mind-bend.
Yes! That is what I was thinking too! That, and leaving doesn't solve his suffering, it ensures its continuation. The only way he can stop it is to get acceptance from Inez. It is a really great play, and if you are interested, there is a good adaptation on UA-cam 😊😊
Oh I never considered their initial perceptions were reflecting themselves! That makes so much sense. Estelle says she forgets who she is when she can’t physically see her reflection, so when she looks at Garcin and he isn’t looking back, he imagines he is someone with no face, because she can’t see herself and therefore is no one- faceless. That’s awesome.
Absolutely! The mind's inner mirror reflects to us what it is we are thinking--Sartre wrote a lot about the self-reflecting consciousness throughout his career, and I think this play really captures a lot of it 😊
Garcin doesn't leave because he is
trapped by his mission go-to convince
others of the "truth" about himself.
The inability to "drop the subject"
is common in obsessive personalitys.
None of the three characters could
leave the room, if offered the chance!
@ 1:00 "..why hell may be a bit closer to our present-day lives than we may want to believe." (haha) ..a Schopenhauerian flourish, perhaps? :-) Great review of a fascinating play. (I think it was in one of my high school English classes, long ago..) :-)
I think Schopenhauer would appreciate Sartre if for no other reason than he made many people confused and miserable 😅😅
@@attention5638 hmm, I'll have to think about that.. (not sure if that was the mission for either of them, especially Schopenhauer.) There can be a clash b/w human needs for optimism and hope versus the Hellenistic-rational, secular-scientific desire to see the world as clearly and accurately as possible (which can be be displeasing). The primal Buddhist insight (echoed by Schopenhauer) that human lives inevitably lead to sickness, aging and death is difficult to argue with, as depressing as it is. All the times he made me laugh certainly weren't miserable. [Tolstoy, I think, referred to him as the most brilliant of men.] John Gray had an interesting section on him in '7 Types of Atheism' ("Mystical Atheism"). Words can be used as up-votes or down-votes (a Schopenhauer fan may call him a "realist," and a non-fan might call him a "pessimist" spreading misery). So, I guess on philosophers (or writers) it's like a cafeteria; people take what they like and leave what they don't. :-) I've got mixed feelings b/c Schopenhauer's writings seems to have some (harsh) truths in them, but I've read that for health and longevity it's important for human beings to have or at least try to have optimism, so if that's true... I'm not sure what to think. [Does a healthy life depend to some degree on self-deception?] I would think that moderate pessimism at times (as "anxious foresight") could have survival benefits as well. To be fair: A strike against old Arthur was that (apparently) except for his succession of pet poodles, he was not a loving person at all. So, that's uncool, if true. [Sorry for the long comment postscript, and if this is annoying...] I'm starved for intellectual engagement! :-)
Amazing how much great information you manage to concisely pack into your videos. And this is not ‘easy’ material, so thanks for making it very digestible and memorable.
Thank you so much, Tom! Sartre is one I have studied for many years, so lucky I was able to put this together quick enough.😊😊
Outstanding! I thoroughly enjoyed this. "No Exit" really demonstrates considerations of choice and ego on so many levels. An awesome video!
Thank you so much! Sartre would make the top three writers that I read, he is one of my favorites, for sure. I tried to keep the philosophy to a minimum as best I could haha but yes! Some of these ideas he expresses here are just brilliant!😊
I’m so glad I found this channel. Love you you approached this text. The gaze and mirror usage sounds absolutely fascinating. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Thank you so much! I am so glad you liked this. I can never tell if I explain anything well enough😅
I think going through the door would represent death.
One the metaphorical level the play is about life and social interactions, and the only way to escape those things, if it truly is a tortuous hell, is to die.
On the more literally level of them being in actual hell: despite the fact they hate being in the room they refuse to go out when the door opens. Nothing scary is out there, he’d just been begging to escape even if it meant physical punishments instead- yet all three refuse to go out. There’s nothing on the other side but darkness. This to me is them being given the opportunity to leave hell and enter non-existence. A true death. But since they can’t stand the idea of not getting their closure, none of them can bear to go. Garcin won’t let Estelle shove Inez out, because he is afraid to go and can’t allow her to leave until she believes he is not a coward.
I really like how you put it as entering a non-existence to a "true death." Doing this would kill the ego, and as you say, Garcin cannot allow someone else to believe he is something that he believes he is not, something his ego would not allow--this judgment from the other. it is worse than a true death. That is great, thank you so much for sharing this! 😎
@@attention5638 and thank you for the video!
I love the rubber duck chilling on the desk 😂 That was such a great analysis of the book! I love how you made your explanation sound so accessible and comprehensible 🙌🏼 I wish I had watched this last year when I had the pleasure to meet Sartre and his Being and Nothingness and "Hell is other people" in my philosophy module 😂
Oh! I didn't see this! Thank you so much! This is one of my favourite plays and have spent some time studying it. There is just so much to talk about in it. 😊😊
Cool talk it reminded me a lot of The Good Place, the longer I continue watching the video the more i see The Good place inspiration xD.
Your Analyses are the best, my friend!!
Thank you so much! I have never seen The Good Place, but I have heard that comparison before. I may have to check it out. Thanks!😊😊
@@attention5638 You must!! at least the first season :P
Your transitions are wild. Great video as usual
Thank you! I thought I would try out this format for a bit haha
Its been a heck of a while since I read this stuff. Why did Garcin CHOOSE not to leave the room?
Hows about this:
Rather than accepting the great burden that comes with FREEDOM, or, indeed, radically accepting the terrifying reality that he's condemned to BE FREE, Garcin either chooses to surrender his FREE will to Other People or else decides the time has passed for him to make any difference since he is now dead an therefore UNFREE: better to remain in the company of torturers in Hell rather than to face an eternity alone; NOT being alone at least means existing in relation to Others.
Based on his decision not to leave the room, Garcin at least has the chance to be tortured and EXIST as something rather than nothing; something is greater than nothing when our existence depends on Other People, and he is compelled to Exist even in HELL.
Fantastic response! Sartre frequently expresses the burden that comes with freedom throughout much of his work, and I believe that is exactly what is being expressed here. Existing in Hell rather than facing an eternity alone (which would ultimately equate not non existance) I think is exactly right. Thank you for such a great response!
@@attention5638 OK, then we agree: better to be an object and be tortured by Others, rather than to spend an eternity alone.👍
@@attention5638 we cannot conceive or face the prospect of being all alone for an eternity, since we only exist in relation to others, right? This is why Garcin surrenders himself as an 'object of torture' by choosing to remain part of this 'circle of hell'. And every relationship has the potential to be NO EXIT like hell, hence sartre himself said that if you choose not to 'break free' from the circle of hell, then you are essentially condemning yourself to live in hell.
I'm a bit 'rusty' with this stuff, but Sartre's ideas are so powerful and once you have read him, it stays with you. I remember visiting his grave and paying my personal respect to him. He has a fittingly humble grave.
I’ve never heard of this before, but it sounds like something I probably just wouldn’t ‘get’, so this analysis was super interesting to me! Great video as always, hope you enjoy your weekend ☺️
Sartre can be a little obscure in his fiction, for sure. It is not for everyone. I am glad you liked this!😊😊
Very thorough analysis! I personally am not familiar with this story and topic, and I love learning new things from your channel! 👏👏👏
Why thank you very much! I am glad I can introduce you to these great works 😊
I have never heard of this play, but I am always fascinated by different depictions of Hell. Sounds bleak, but ever so intriguing. I love the idea of "hell is other people." I'm an introvert, so I agree completely, lol. But really intriguing analysis of this play, as always!
Thank you so much! There are some really great adaptations on UA-cam!😊😊
This was such an insightful look! I feel like I'm going to learn a lot from your channel!
Oh! I do hope so! 😊 Thank you so much for checking this out!😊😊
I love your videos! You always introduce me to classic stuff I’ve never heard of! 😂
I will check out No Exit it sounds amazing!
It really is! There are some good adaptations on UA-cam if you are interested! 😊😊
I'm really impressed with all the books you are introducing on your channel. No Exit is truly intriguing for me which yet again the book that I've never heard of. Thank you for your great and in depth analysis!! Keep it up 😊😊
Thank you so much! I am glad I can introduce you to these 😊 there is a really good adaptation on UA-cam if you are interested 😊😊
Is it possible that garcin is too coward to walk out into the unknown. “Better known devil than unknown angel”. Also, Not knowing where he would end up, I think he would rather face himself in the eyes of Estelle and Inez.
Great summary btw
I always learn something new watching your videos
Thank you! I am really glad to hear that!😊
Fantastic interpretation of something I have never heard of but am now intrigued by.
Assuming your reading of this is correct the writer sounds remarkably intelligent.
Haha Sartre, in my opinion, was one of the most brilliant philosophers of the 20th century. Along with de Beauvoir, of course (arguably "Ethics of Ambiguity" gives a better understanding of existential thought of the 19th century than Being and Nothingness). As always, thank you for checking this out! Hope all is well on your end.😊😊
Had to watch this twice. Think I have the gist now. Sits well with being close to the end of Inferno so thank you.
It does! I had to mention Inferno at the beginning of this 😅
@@attention5638 I noticed!
I saw a production of "No Exit" at the Cleveland Playhouse in the early '80s and loved it. I like existentialism, a lot. I even had a "No Exit" roadsign on my wall, for decades, back in the day ... Good one, bud 😎
Existentialism is an interesting study, for sure. Especially in phenomenology and ontology. To a degree and in many aspects of everyone's life, existential ideals are seen, for sure. Philosophers that we consider existential thinkers (even if the didn't subscribe to the term: Heidegger, Camus, ex.) Have been my favorite to study. I really have to get a "No Exit" road sign. That is awesome 😅😊
@@attention5638 I love Nietzsche and Sammy Beckett probably the most. _Fear and Trembling,_ to boot!
An excellent take on Sartre, and I really appreciate the point that one can still be in "bad faith" even if they have a legitimate moral reason to oppose war (for example). I've always been interested in the suicide with the gunshot to the face, for this suggests an effort to escape "the gaze," for the face is the source of "the gaze." Yet in having Garcin cover his face and still cause reflection in other people, this suggests that even "escaping our face" doesn't help us escape "gazing" and "the gaze." If we are alive, even if we are faceless, we cannot escape "looking."
What a fantastic point! And this reminded me of something David Foster Wallace said in his lecture "This is Water." If you haven't already heard that brilliant lecture, it is popular on YT--highly recommend it! Though he is talking about something different, he mentions briefly about the reason for so many suicides ending in such a way. I bet you could make a great connection with this and DFW's lecture!😮
@@attention5638 That’s a perfect connection! What Wallace says fits well with Sartre. Indeed, I often think of the desire for there to be a moment where “the experiencing” just stops for a little bit, but it never does. If it stops, it stops for good. Sure, we can sleep, but then we either dream or don’t remember sleeping. Perhaps this can be connected with Freud’s “death drive?” Yea, might have to write that paper…
Wow, great breakdown and explanation. I actually never knew where that famous phrase came from.
Oh definitely! It is a really great play, and there is a really good production online. 😎
@@attention5638 thanks for the tip!
In No Exit, each of the two other people either brings out the worst in the subject, or makes the subject feel awful about themselves, or both. This holds true for all three characters.
Always learn something new every video!! The only time I came close to something similar to Dante’s Inferno was the movie As Above So Below so it was so interesting to learn more about No Exit!!
I have never heard of that movie, I will have to check it out, thanks!😁
I've heard of this play but not by name. Is it so that Garson is given the choice to leave at one point but opts to stay with his tormentor, or am I mistaken?
He does, and I have a few ideas on why. I thought maybe, it would be more tormenting for him to leave with someone thinking he is a coward, and would just end up with someone else believing the same thing. So by staying, he is just limiting the number of of possible tormentors. I have heard a few other really good I interpretations as well. 😊😊
I’ve never heard of no exit! This sounds fantastic.
It is a really great play. There are some good adaptations on UA-cam😁
@@attention5638 oh cool! I’ll look into that
Love No Exit. It's so great! It was part of my reading when I took a Philosophy of Religion class. I might need to do a re-read of this. 😊💙
It is one of my favorite plays. There is a few good adaptations on UA-cam. But it is I e of those plays that is just as good read as it is seen.😊😊
I now need to read and, hopefully, one day see this play!
It is a really great play! There is a good adaptation of it on UA-cam 😊😊
@@attention5638 great! Will check it out!
😬 Sounds like some nice light reading... Ah! Fascinating! I’m going to have to watch the play and come back to this with my thoughts, because at the moment I have noodles for brains.
Oh! There are some good adaptations on UA-cam! I would love to hear your thoughts!😊😊
No nighttime and no sleep is definitely a nightmare scenario for me! I can relate to Estelle.
There is nighttime where I am at, but no sleep, not for lack of trying hahah and same here, my friend, same here haha
you make us all feel so uncultured haha :-D made me want to watch this play though
Hahah oh, I could be much more cultured, I dont go far from what I know I will like haha thank you so much, the play is really great 😊😊
I'm new to reading Sartre so take my thought with that grain but I get the impression that garcin doesn't leave the room as a commentary on how, when presented with liberation or a way out of the condemnation of others definitions of ourselves, we don't take that step. To garcin, he didn't leave because he exists as defined by the others, even though he is tormented, and to leave would be to lose the definition of himself or to escape the bad faith definition of himself, anyway, which gives him comfort to some degree.
This is really great, and I would completely agree. Sartre talks a lot about this in Being and Nothingness. He states that the other "causes there to be a being that is my being." How one conducts themself in the world is manifest and grounded in the subjectivity of the other. Great comment, and thank you for sharing!
Phenomenal discussion, as usual. I haven't read or seen this play, but I'm assuming the whole getting shot in the face thing must take place off stage? Otherwise, you'd need to re-cast the role for each performance, eh? Oh my, that was some dark humor today. I actually spent a long time studying consubstantiation, from a non-religious view, so I should have a lot to say about this, but I'm hungry so I'm going to go make some dinner.
Hahah, well, it is Sartre, so who knows if they had to replace an actor here and there 🤣 but now I am interested in consubstantiation from a non-religious point of view. I dont think I have ever heard of the idea outside the protestant church.
No Exit - Oh wow, no night time....that already plays with my head.
I love the idea of the characters being stuck in a room. Must take some real character building from the Author.
"Hell is other people" very powerful.
I like the sounds of this play.
There are some really great adaptations of this play on UA-cam. It is one of my favorites, though I dont read too many plays haha😊😊
@@attention5638 yes I haven’t read many either but have always wanted to.
I'm going to have to read through this play (or better yet, see it somehow). My biggest curiosity is always how much of this deeper meaning is easily accessible to the common viewer (like me). I suppose that's the benefit of plays. If the actors are good it makes a huge impact on the digestibility of the work. On the theme itself: how we view ourselves + the weight we put on how others view us = insanity
There are some good adaptations on UA-cam. But other than that, I have never seen it in person. I have read it multiple times, and I think one has to be somewhat familiar with Sartre's philosophy to see the deeper meaning. On the surface, it really is just three awful people in a room that dont get along hahah. 😅
@@attention5638 I suppose that in itself could be entertaining...
I've never heard of this play! It sounds like it would be an interesting experience to see this performed live haha. It kind of reminds me of The Dead by Joyce. I think he decides not to leave the room bc he was scared of where he would end up next. Going to have to check one out!
I read the Hunger Artist! I loved it! It gave me dark comedy vibes haha
I have never read The Dead by Joyce, but now I am very interested haha. I think you would really like this play. There are some good adaptations on UA-cam!😊 And that is so awesome! I think Kafka would agree with "dark comedy." Though a lot of people wouldn't consider his work comedy, in his journals, it is clear he himself actually thought they were kind of funny 😅
@@attention5638 I'm going to check it out!
Wow! Fascinating discussion! I had never thought of hell as the intruding 'freedom of the other,' and the way the play explores that concept sounds creepy. I'm going to guess deciding not to leave the room is because 'no self' is more frightening that a sense of self dictated by the perception of others? It sounds like the characters can't escape the desire to manipulate the other's perception. I haven't read it, so I'm sorry I misunderstood anything! 😅
Oh! It doesn't sound like you miss interpreted at all! I love that reason for him not leaving. I haven't thought of that! 😮 I had thought, since he needed the acceptance of Inez, leaving wouldn't fix his suffering because she already had the perception of him as a coward. Leaving, he would have to live with that for eternity. But I like the idea of him staying because the alternative may be no existence at all. The fear of not existing at all is pretty terrifying. Thank you so much for the thoughtful comment!😊😊
@@attention5638 I agree. If existence is defined by the perception and judgement of others, then leaving the room would render Garcin alone for all of eternity without identity. Worse than judgement by bad faith actions, is an eternity being forced to re-define yourself without the judgement of others, eventually confronting those bad-faith actions. His decision to remain is a decision to continue to avoid reality. Lest he become non-existent when he fails to redefine himself without the other.
@@Ash-fy9rm Absolutely! Very well put, thank you!
I've never read No Exit, but fascinating discussion!
Thank you so much!😊 I think it would be something you would like. 😊
Never seen this channel before, but immediately clicked just because of how attractive you are! Holy heck dude! Also, great vid :)
Well, thank you very much! Haha. I ha e been taking a bit of a break recently, but hope to be back in August, with videos more like this one!😁😎
Wonderful video! Satre is sure to give me an existential crisis😅 but I am definitely going to read this🙈
His goal in life was to give everyone an existential crisis 🤣😅 There is a really great adaptation on UA-cam if you are interested 😊
Maman, constituting a mother’s imprint on the son, it’s the reflection of each of the characters imprints on themselves and others.
Very nice video 👍
Thank you so much!😊😊
“Hell is other people” Agreed 🤝.
It is why we prefer books 🤣
That was great. I think I’ll reread in May for maybe midrash
It is a good one, for sure. There is also a good adaptation on UA-cam if you are one who prefers to see a play rather than read. 😊
I've actually never even heard of this... but it sounds fascinating!😅
It is really great! There is a good adaptation of the play on UA-cam!😊
@@attention5638 oh thank you so much! Assume I will find it just by searching? I'll have to add that to my watch list🤗
Profound.
The play really is! 😊Thanks for checking this out!😊
The whole part (Your Explanation)about Bad Faith , gave me some ideas. Hope you don't mind me using it.😁
My Grandfather use 2 tell me We are our Decisions.
Enjoyed as usual. You always make me think, and My head hurt. LoL 🤪
Again. I thoroughly enjoyed.
Look forward 2 Your next Video my Friend. 👍
Oh! Please do use it! A new song idea?😮 I will definitely look forward to that! I sent your music to a few friends with that last song. Haha
Your Grandfather may have been an existentialist, we would have gotten along haha.
Thank you so much! Hope all is well on your end!😊😊🎵🎸
@@attention5638 Thank You my friend.
I have questions, but I wish to project an image of myself to anyone reading this as intelligent, so I will instead sit in my ignorance lol
🤣😅 if that is what you choose.
Hahaha Good answer Harleyanne!! I agree :)
Okay, I really have to see this play. As an anti social introvert I of course agree that Hell is other people! Well...some people anyway.
There is some good adaptations on UA-cam you can check out. It is one of my favorite plays, for sure. 😊
Thankfully, this piece of “literature” is not long, otherwise it would have been a wasting of time to read it.