Flint Dibble's Experience On The JRE With Graham Hancock & Joe Rogan
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- Опубліковано 22 чер 2024
- I had a conversation with archaeologist Flint Dibble about his experience going on the Joe Rogan Experience to debate Graham Hancock on Hancock's theory surrounding an ancient advanced lost civilization from the Ice Age.
All 3 men did a great job in this debate, especially Joe Rogan being open minded and letting both Flint and Graham have their moments during the debate.
Still writing me review/response video with additional information about this debate, but that'll come in a week or two.
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I just want to know truth. Sadly I am most assuredly blessed or cursed with a failure of intellect. I listen to this channel, Joe, Graham, Lex, etc. Today I was exposed to a dig I never heard of, Ohalo II, a 23K year old hunter gatherer site, who were into agriculture. Your field is undergoing a fantastic earthquake of change. I’m 80, I’ve learned to keep my perspectives open. Basically I don’t really know anything.
I disagree. You know that you know nothing. You are ahead of most people who don't even know that.
Archeologists know what they were told in school. That changes often.
We have been lied to my friend like you wouldn’t believe Mainstream archaeology gives you what they want you to think, but upon a small amount of research we start to see what’s going on. Keep an open mind .
I do know this…the more I learn, the more I realize how much I don’t know. If we knew the truth of our entire history, our heads would explode! I just try to soak up as much as I can.
Of course we don't know everything and should have an open scientific mind. Just like other areas like medicine, History/Archeology should be open to new knowledge and research that more and be willing to change. Otherwise if medicine wouldn't be openminded to change, doctors would still blood let people to restore the 4 elements and people would die rather than be cured.
That was awesome, that's amazing you got to interview him so quickly 🙂 love your channel
This was a super interesting chat! Love the point about history constantly being re-written.
Thank you 😁😁
@@HistoryWithKayleigh What’s your thoughts on flint lying about the ice core data that shows spikes in lead going back tens of thousands of years. What’s your thoughts on flint lying about the evidence we have of plants being domesticated returned to the wild to then be domesticated again? Why do you think flint felt the need to lie about so much of the data?
Oh wow!! This is the longest video I’ve seen you put out yet - can’t wait!! 🙏
This is some of the best content on UA-cam, I am always interested in your thoughts because you operate from such a place of balance and respect. Thanks Kayleigh and Flint! 💙
Watched the whole thing. When Flint Diddler stuck to science, he did great. When he started playing the race card, he made an ass out of himself.
What an excellent piece! Follow the science and expect the joy of discovery. Money cannot buy that kind of experience. Knowledge is free for all those who seek it. Thank you Kayleigh and Flint!
Yeh lets follow the science lol a completly amoral venture thats has already led us to the brink of extinction sounds like a great idea.
Thanks for this episode.Thanks also to Flint Dibble for the light he has shown on the question of ancient advanced civilizations.
Kayleigh I love your videos, so much!!! I commend you for this interview and exploring other areas of your path. Even Dibble was better here than he was, although I enjoyed the JRe debate as well, but Dibble presented so narrow minded, and admitted his expertise is focused on seeds, plants, food, yet he refuses to acknowledge that the lost civilization hypothesis may be a simultaneously occuring to hos truths.
Keep in mind... Graham Hancock is a crook, grifter, and very much a disingenuous "seeker of truth" who is actually just more interesting in dumping on real archeology and spin yarn of wild tales of the "Younger Dryas Impact flooding" which is actually only 18 inches per century at its fastest rate.
This was great. Thank you, Kayleigh. ❤❤❤❤
Kayleigh we need to advocate for your Rogan episode
interesting conversation. Thanks Kayleigh. Flint Dibble--best name in show-biz.
I just don't care for drama and I loathe politics. I'm of the firm mind that one should follow evidence instead of ideas. That's why I'm drawn to History with Kayleigh. No bullshit. Just evidence, logic, and reason.
Omg no evidence no logic and no reason, you’ve got to be joking. Just pure political correctness.
@@3Kiwiana Then why are you here denigrating other peoples work?
Why did flint lie about the data?
@@scottie55 I’m here for truth nothing worse than political correctness distorting truth
@@3Kiwiana So you are someone who carries on about political correctness, but don't give informed examples or alternative views. I guess that's why nobody seems to take your opinions seriously.
I love this channel!!!!!!!!
Great follow-up interview. After watching this "historic debate" I was certain there would be ripples felt in the realm of the archeo-interested. I have been curious, after having read Hancock's "Fingerprints of the Gods" in the '90s and watching interviews, lectures etc, whether he would ever have his claims/assertions/hypotheses challenged publicly. I actually learned a few things from Dr. Dibble's presentation. I learned from GH that he is convinced that the lost civilization cleverly built their cities, seaports, and transportation infrastructure only in places where archaeologists haven't looked yet.
Or, are they in places we have discovered that were re-purposed?
That’s a perfect explanation why Andean sites get dated by the mortar and fibers between the small stones sitting on top of giant blocks that fit together without mortar. Kind of hard to date that, and serves the purpose.
We do have plenty of evidence that suggests our picture and understanding is very incomplete, and again, nobody disputes a slow restart.
The claim is that this has happened once before at least already.
@@willvance7326 The smaller stone you speak of were the work of the Peruvian government to ready the site for tourism. The larger stones did have mortar, just not so it can be seen. The assertion that the Inca were incapable of doing the work, and that some as yet unknown culture really built it is alt-history dogma. "Repurposed"? "Perfect explanation?"
Very informative and entertaining interview, thanks. Also wanted to add a congratulations to Flint for a difficult job done well.
Really appreciated the 'debate' and this follow-up. I was a big fan of AA and also Graham's theories but it felt good to get brought back down to earth. I think aside from some personal mud spittle it was a respectful encounter.
Great interview Kayleigh. I'm so glad Dibble went onto the Joe Rogan podcast to counter Graham's claims. It's good to see reality pushing back on misinformation.
And logic pushing back on illogic. One of the biggest fallacies that I hear alt people commit is akin to the "Russell's Teacup" logical fallacy. The explanation of that fallacy is that the philosopher Bertrand Russell could claim that there was a teacup in geosynchronous orbit above his head his entire life. And if you could not disprove the claim, then he must be correct. I'm sure you know several reasons why that argument is invalid, but unfortanately, many many people think this way. :)
ironic, going on a misinformation platform to fight misinformation, sadly most of Rogan's audience would rather suckle at the conspiracy theory teet than here truth.
How does that pfizer boot taste?
Misinformation like Keynsian economics? Inflation isnt caused by printing money. Rogan had had Roger Penrose and leading physicists and astronomers. Rogan’s show is educational
@@jmf5246 says the guy who probably thinks QAnon is educational...
LOVE you both!!!!
What a fantastic, open discussion you had with Flint Dibble. I was pleasantly surprised that you both are so open to revealing that "hey, we all get something so wrong at times". Not so much for Kayleigh, as that is something I truly respect about her. She is so willing to own her own (not really a mistake as I don't think it's that) lack of understanding I think is what I am attempting to say. My prejudice falls more on the side of not thinking an academic would not admit they misread something, so I am happy to see that is not necessarily the case. Thank you for sharing, I look forward to a future collaboration with Flint.
Atun shei just dropped a video about the interview.
Another bad take from another person who refuses to look at real science. You want to hear a real take on this debate? Watch Dedunking.
I was so sure about a ancient civilisation. Too much so. After watching flint and kudos to him for debating Graham I'm not so sure now still more in that camp than not. But I really appreciated flint going and debating Graham. Male egos aside it's quite funny as a man watching 2 men try and better each other. Such a fragile thing the male ego. Trust me I speak from experience.
Got to repeat a comment that made me chuckle. He's flint dibble and he dabbles with flint. I loved that comment so much.
The "human" ego, I fixed your typo.
His dad was a paleolithic archaeologist and so named him Flint and his brother Chip :)
Seeing these thumbnails used for good ignites something in my soul that I thought had long gone out
What really made me burst out laughing in the Rogan/Dibble/Hancock debate was when Hancock said "I'm not saying that there was a global advanced civilisation, only that there were a few wise sages who travelled the world spreading knowledge" when he has literally spent the last thirty odd years telling everyone that there was a global advanced civilisation that was wiped out 12,500 years ago. Pure comedy gold and hypocritical grifting at its finest. 🤣😆😄
So relieved that scientists are taking on foolishness with facts. Thank you both.
What a dumb thing to say, so its foolish because you don’t agree with it. How incredibly narrow minded can you be.
is it not odd how in science facts just keep on changing - perhaps the disclaimer ( as far as we know ) needs to preface so called facts
@@3KiwianaWhat a stupid thing to say. Just because you disagree with someone you think it's OK to spew your narrow minded nonsense.
@@exceptionallyaverage3075 that’s my line you just stole.
@@3Kiwiana Sue me.
I have to say that I like Graham Hancock in the same way that I like Keanu Reeves... he's a charismatic individual, with whom i would be absolutely giddy to have a pint or ten. But I just dont think that his professional work is worth any of my time, based on what ive seen
Flint Dibble, however, has a new subscriber
I always wonder how strong tidal forces can effect any wrecks after 5-10k years.
I'm so glad to see Flint getting the recognition he deserves for going into the lion's den and coming out looking like a rockstar.
He brought facts and logic to the debate, and Graham brought feelings and the "but you haven't checked EVERYWHERE!" claim.
I disagree flint has his ideas and is not open minded, so does not stack up as being credible.
@@3Kiwiana so, a guy devotes his life to seeking out an accumulating evidence, evidence with which he has the ability to run the entire spectrum of scientific analysis to obtain a deeper understanding as to what he is seeing, along the way, collecting an entire catalogue of proofs which he can say without a doubt for sure point towards certain sets of circumstances, and, you can literally lob sh*te over the top because he's "close minded" without having a single shread of evidence to back up your position other than a personal feelin, and, that makes you the authority on the subject then?
Sureeeeeee
Amazing interview. Didn't know about him and now I have to go check him out. Also thank you for being a sense of reasoning about how we came to be. Keep it up.
Well done Kayleigh and Flint, you are just what the world needs at the moment to fight misinformation.
I loved the Joe Rogan ‘debate’ where Flint took Graham to the school he never attended.
It’s mad how many people just bent over and lapped what ever dribbled out of flint. You should probably fact check before you make a muppet out of yourself. Dribble lied about the ice core data failing to mention lead spikes going back tens of thousands of years. He lied about the glyph in the pyramid. He failed to mention that current flows and constant water changes would have made in next to impossible for any ships to preserve during the ice age. They say humans have used boats for 100,000 years but the oldest boat found is 9000 years old yet academics tell us they go back 100,000 years have a wee look into why. Ohh and don’t forget to look up the amount of crops that went extinct during the ice age and the evidence we have for plants being domesticated returned to the wild to then be redomesticated. Or you could just bent over for you next dribble
Get another booster😂
@@jimmyfaulkner5746 go ‘do your research’ on flat earth
@@jimmyfaulkner5746 go ‘do your research’
Thank you, Flint and Kayleigh. I think it’s vital that people like Flint take the time out to debate pseudoscientists is because so many people who become true fans of archaeology come from fans of people like Graham Hancock. I myself was enthralled by Chariots of the Gods as a kid and further inspired by the fictional movies of Indiana Jones. That’s omething I have in common with many archaeologists of my generation. Though I didn’t get a degree in archaeology or anthropology I was enthralled by the same fantastic theories, but became even more impassioned by the true teamwork of science, and the ownership it restored to humanity by its discoveries. Many people who came for Graham’s fanciful ideas, will now go on to appreciate the science of Flint’s and his colleagues research. Again, thank you both.
Do you plan do give Hancock the same opportunity?
He first needs to respond you know? I've invited him🤷🏼♀️
I am very anti religion, i have no faith. However that podcast made me realize i fell for it, hook line and sinker. I now understand how easy it is to be fooled into believing things.
So thankyou Flint for bringing me back to reality
It’s mad how many people just bent over and lapped what ever dribbled out of flint. You should probably fact check before you make a muppet out of yourself. Dribble lied about the ice core data failing to mention lead spikes going back tens of thousands of years. He lied about the glyph in the pyramid. He failed to mention that current flows and constant water changes would have made in next to impossible for any ships to preserve during the ice age. They say humans have used boats for 100,000 years but the oldest boat found is 9000 years old yet academics tell us they go back 100,000 years have a wee look into why. Ohh and don’t forget to look up the amount of crops that went extinct during the ice age and the evidence we have for plants being domesticated returned to the wild to then be redomesticated. Or you could just bent over for you next dribble
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Did you bother to fact check flint or did you just lap it up?
Great conversation. Kepp up the colabs.
Glad to see da Cusin of Mine ! Keep up da Good Work.... !!
Thanks for the conversation. Good matchup. I hope we get to learn more from this duo
Of course animals grieve, elephants grieve, and dogs grieve.
On a personal, experiential level, I squashed a slug at a previous home, and was dead interested when the slug remains were visited by slug after slug after slug, Absurd you think, yeah, so did I. So I kept repeating the action, in a good scientific fashion, and low an behold, every squashed slug got re-visited by, what? friends? family? Who knows, but they kept visiting their mates till I'd practically wiped out the slug population in that backyard.
And they weren't consuming the remains, as far as I could tell. They would go up to their dead mate and extend their eye-stalks and gently look over their friend in astounding detail before wandering away. Each one of them. Even the juveniles and babies would do it. Fascinating.
Thanks Kayleigh!🎉
Great video. I’m half way through flints video. I happy he went on Rogans program. A lot of pseudo scientists watch Rogan. They need to see real science
Love or hate Joe Rogan, you have to credit him for facilitating this.
@@garymaidman625 yes rogon surprised me. Maybe I need ti watch his show more
@@axel1957ll Dibble isn't the only scientist he has on. He has quite a lot of scientists on. When I had more time and inclination, I used to watch it quite a bit. He has a palaeontologist on, who I didn't particularly like, I thought he was a bit of a jerk, as well as an evolutionary biologist, a mathematician, among others. He is quite open minded.
I remember listening to Graham on the Art Bell Show
Ah yes, I remember the Hale-Bop debacle in the '90s. Took me down a lot of dead end roads. Good to be looking at those times in the rear view mirror.
Debate is healthy and should always be respected! Good Job
Yes but, debate shouldn't take the place of actual scholarship in our minds. Sometimes, the people who win debates are not correct. They're just better at articulating their view.
Yes, but calling your opponent racist for no reason isn't.
@@OGPatriot03 It wasn't for no reason...
I think flint did a good job on the podcast . I have been fascinated with trying to look into the past my whole life . I love absorbing as much information as I can .
Very well put together and superlatively balanced interview from Kayleigh here, smirked and jollied her way through Flints criticism in joyful tandem, Brushed over the 'white supremacist' allegations like they were never written. A Top lass. A Bastian for balanced, nuanced debate some might say. The milk of human kindness. Hope Kayleigh reflects on this one decades from now and cringes.
This is the hottest and most brilliant women this guy has ever spoke to.
I don’t necessarily agree with most of Hancocks opinions, but I enjoy his work. It’s thought provoking. So I appreciate Dibble going on rogan and explaining the opposing position. He made it easy to understand and digest. I still have questions about the black mat layer from the ydih and the precision in the stone vases measured by Van Kyrkwyk
Glad I listened all the way through.
I've listened to the whole 4,5 hours and Flint did a really good job. Hancock didn't present any valid evidence for his claims and was basically repeating: You didn't explore 100% of Earth's surface, that means I'm right.
The only thing where Flint went wrong, in my opinion, wasn't in the podcast itself, but was in the article (or another podcast, I can't remember) that Hancock referenced where he said that Hancock's work perpetuates white supremacy. Accusing people of white supremacy nowadays is an auto dismissal for some people and Flint should have worded that differently.
It is unfortunate that someone like Hancock is given so much visibility and coverage without being an actual archeologist like Flint Dribble. Nothing wrong with being an independent researcher Kayleigh. Wasn't it another independent researcher Heinrich Schliemann who found the ancient city believed to be Troy? I wouldn't completely discount the possibility of a civilization that may have pioneered and refined the art of masonry and mammoth construction projects predating many other known ancient civilizations like the Egyptians. The submerged Minoan city of Pavlopetri which is over 5,000 years old wasn't discovered until the 1960s. The island of Santorini in the Aegean Sea which is a remnant of an ancient caldera may yet still hide underwater artifacts and buildings that may have also been the source of Plato's story. About 71% of the Earth's surface is covered by water which could cover many, many sites as yet undiscovered like Pavlopetri. In my opinion the glass is half full instead of half empty for the possibility of discovering the source that inspired the story of Atlantis.🔱
Great summary, I don't ever bother with Joe or Graham cuz it's not a "debate" and Joe is not a moderator. One quibble, Koko was mostly responding to prompts and "aping" her handler, not really communicating. Look it up.
Yeah, I was going to point that out. The Koko thing has largely been debunked. Other than that, great video.
I wonder if Flint has read the book forbidden archaeology by Michael Cremo ?
I'm guessing by your reaction the guy to the left is a big deal, so congratulations on having him on your show. Thanks again. 👍
I'm told that the variability of weather up until about 10,000 years ago precluded agriculture because sometimes it would work, and sometimes it wouldn't work - with 'wouldn't work' being pretty important. However. Humans are clever and hunter-gatherers often managed to meet their nutritional needs with a dozen or two dozen hours of effort per week, thus they had a lot of free time....and humans with free time either start telling each other stories or they start messing about with their environment. Consequently I strongly suspect that various people here and there would pull a few weeds from around a berry patch, and would often plant some seeds here and there. Often it would work well enough that doing it again makes sense, but when it mostly doesn't work out it wasn't all that much effort put into, so it goes. Thus, I think that gardening has been a hobby of ours for a good amount of time before a lot our calories were from agriculture. (One way to try - try - to test for this would be to look at the prevalence and range of various plants - trees and bushes in particular - that hunter-gatherer humans would have valued. I suspect there is a 'spread of good stuff' that doesn't quite seem to be fully explained by climate change, knock-on effects from other actions, or any of the other relevant explanations.)
kayleigh I didn't want to watch a video this long but i did because your name was in it. good info and you rock as always.
I know this is sort of off topic, but it is another area with difficulty separating fact from conjecture. I refer to underground cities like the one claimed in Turkey and the underground routes connecting sites in Egypt. Also, there are other massive underground artificial structures claimed in other parts of the world (South America? India?) that seem beyond the capabilities of the apparent time of their construction.
How many of these are there in fact known to exist? When were they constructed? Why,? How? And how do they compare/contrast with one another?
Possible future topic ???
A little Dibble do ya.
Great interview.
I love the level of enthusiasm shown. It's a good trait.
Tempering that enthusiasm a bit and allowing the guest to finish more sentences might be great as well. It might help keep the conversation focused on one idea at a time.
Rogan impressed me after starting out in favour of hancock he seemed to sway but after the grain evidence was shown to be selected n have changed genetically it was Joe who asked the question nobody had an answer for or even considered asking how long would it take to go back after we stop picking it to turn back to a loose hanging structure graham didn't want to hear it coz it doesn't fit his time frame but that was a good none bias question
Kayleigh. I admire your intellectual curiosity. All the highly intelligent people i know are self taught. This is great content. Everything you do is great content. I hope you read this. You have more fans than trolls. I am unable to become a member due to financial struggle. I am the working poor living in Appalachia USA. YOU ARE THE HIGHLIGHT of my week when you upload your conent. Stay courious.
awesome interview i watched the rogan interview and was totally in agreement with flints explanations and deciphering of grahams story..thx kaylieh keep up your awesome interests and keep us informed....
Take a shot every time you here aliens
As it looks, Graham Hancock's work really hooked up a lot of people into these topics, myself included. I was in his bandwagon at first, but I wanted to find out as much information as I could, and I have to say that fairly quickly I left some of his ideas and started following the serious archaeology, which as Flint says is A LOT. So I can thank Graham for lighting the fire, and as it seems this is true for a lot of people, he has his role in the scheme of things. Of course, imagination is a wonderful thing, and one shouldn't abandon it all together, but fantasy is one thing, and reality is other.
The reality is flint lied about his evidence and Hancocks is a theory. Not a great look for archaeologists to send someone on to tell lies
Super fun conversation
Hiroshima, London, Berlin, Nagasaki…how much of these cites pre bombing exists?
I read all Gram's books and I was a fan but I left him behind years ago after seeing and reading real scholarship which I will continue to do
I have read many of Graham's books too. I really enjoy reading about his research. But, referencing his own research, I often don't reach the same conclusions as he. But it is enjoyable "what if" reading none-the-less.
Real scholarship? How intuitively intelligent. I need no reciets for your clear and dialectial aproach to your scholarly persuits. Thank you. Please.
The problem with ONLY sticking with 'real scholarship' is the lack of critical thinking with regards to historical events.
Graham is brilliant. I wonder if he'd get disrespected the way he does if he'd have an archaeology degree.
Using this same logic one can conclude that God doesn't exist.....no one has seen him....
We are so arrogant as a species.
@@IrvinFontanes You said: "lack of critical thinking with regards to historical events" Can you give an example?
@@IrvinFontanes But also using the same logic one might conclude that 6-legged chartreuse armadillos do not exist. And rightfully one would need at least some evidence to argue that they do.
Good video so far.
MAINSTREAM archeology needs a strong voice to the public. THAT'S WHAT YOU DO VERY WELL KAYLEIGH.
🌻💓💓🎉💘🥂🍾😻💗💝💖🖤❣️💛💚💙
But like most things the lie is what gets the press.
I watched the episode and at times it seemed like Joe and Graham were ganging up on him and he had to prove his points more than Graham. I had already had my doubts about Graham's theories and it was nice to have a professional, knowledgeable archeologist challenge him with hard facts. It was a great discussion and I commend them both for doing it and thank Joe for facilitating it. Hopefully they will do it again as there is so much to talk about.
Flint did a good job on Rogan sitting in the hot seat. I think he is a little close minded but that’s literally his job so good job.
The Scots and the Irish sent the Romans packing. The terrain had lots to do with it, but the people were unmanageable. Lol
Ty for actually mentioning the truth in this discussion when talking about uruk, nobody ever does definitely not on the rogan podcast ... it took early farmers at the end of the ice age close to 7 thousand years to form advanced civilization, didn't happen overnight as you said 👏
Von Daniken got me interested in archaeology.
glad someone else dropped that name
@@inFiniteTraCer a quack that kindled a real flame
I'm a bit confused -- is the claim that it was hunter-gatherers who built these "monumental architectures"? (mentioned around 11:20 or so)
That's an astounding claim to make. That claim takes even more religious faith to believe that believing than those were not hunter-gatherers and that they did in fact exist as a civilization.
Oh nice! I was hoping you'd cover this.
This was great. 🤘🏽🤘🏽
Awesome as always, " Kayleigh!!!" cheers!!
Very very awesome from Grimsby Ontario Canada
I would wild camp on the outskirts of Newquay within a hidden field . I would watch the most beautiful sunsets and moon rises across the gannel and felt the place was special. Years later whilst houses were being built a Bronze Age settlement was found and underneath that a Neolithic settlement.
Wow its Flints dads son, just kidding. But still I find it somewhat unscientific to rule out GHs hypothesis a 100% because a lot is still unknown.
Graham’s view on human past is spectacular and romantic. I loved the idea that an advanced civ existed in prehistory but was lost in a cataclysm so great that it was remembered only oral traditions. Graham blaming a shadowy cabal of “archeologists” willing to do anything to keep it all under wraps taps into the collective zeitgeist of conspiracy. Come on Graham. Evil archeologists out to get you and your ilk? I used to enjoy imagining Grahams take on human prehistory. Now, I see him as a grifter worried that his meal ticket is in jeopardy.
I appreciate Flint for his strict adherence to what is provable and countering Graham where he goes too far with speculation and cherry picking. We can't believe things based on what we want to be true, but I can't stand baseless assertions of racism, colonialism, and every other thing that is trendy to say right now if you want to destroy someone's reputation. I hate it when Graham uses personal attacks against him in his interviews as an argument as though he's being attacked because he's over the target and brings up other people that were slandered and then proven correct later on. Flint is giving that argument legs by throwing that garbage on Graham. I will say too, Flints argument about how grain evolved to human interference is highly persuadable and makes me rethink a lot of what I hear from Graham. The racism charge didn't need to be made
Flint never accused Hancock of being a racist.
Graham won the day.
He won in the minds of those who provide his income.
I like your vid. I need to see JRE podcast to see what Flint Dibble said.
I like to say to people of course they were familiar and some very knowledgeable of the stars, what the hell else did they have to do. They knew the stars like you know you favorite TV programs or you favourite sports all the teams and all the players, and their stats for heavens sake. How could ancient man predict an eclipse? I tell my sons, well I guess they spent years and years scratching the paths of the sun and moon, on stone slabs till they got it right. After all they learned how to grow stuff and survive, That didn't happen over the week end.
Good afternoon from Copperhill Tn. 😊
Thank you Kayleigh SO much for keeping this channel open to new ideas, but not so much that it goes into insane conspiracy theory territory.
I appreciate your channel so much. It's so informative, I've learned so much from your videos!
I'd rather learn the truth of our history than be manipulated by grifters who use harmful ideology to spread misinformation.
Hallo, I watched the whole show, and even though it was 4 hours long, it could have gone for longer. I don't know if I missed it, but Graham always pointed out that his civilization could be in the unexplored areas, and this reminded me of the God of the gaps argument. It would be fun and good when Flint had pointed that out. Ps: have you guys also dealt with Menzies' 1421 hypothesis of China discovering the world?
I think thats a dishonest comparison. Its objectively true that not enough have been done to rule out the possibility of a lost civilization. We have a few artifects that are essentially put of place by almost 40,000 years. Like the jade denisovan bracelets. What they did required tools that were not made anyone else on the planet until about 3000 years ago. Whoever made that jewelry had knowledge no one else did for eons. There is plenty of room for a lost civilization because we see traces of lost technology.
It was exhausting because you were taking all the energy.
Shout out Flint Dibble for holding it down on JRE
came off as an ass 85% of the time to me, and I really don't care for Graham and most of his assertions.
Came off more arrogant and self-absorbed than what people are saying about Graham
Shout out to Joe Rogan for facilitating this.
@@francischambless5919 well dibble wanted to report on facts graham just wanted to explain that he wasnt racist. Thats not a debate it’s clearing the air. They all came across a bit douchey but thats natural for a situation like that
@@Pablo9svn8 agreed. It's a shame too, because someone like me absolutely loves learning about ancient history and the potential for all the things we still don't know about our past. I certainly don't mind speculation, but if that's being done from the perspective of an educated guess or just an implied, however unlikely possibility, the least you can do is be clear that you are indeed speculating.
Sorry, but there's soooo much to debunk here. Flint is not only wrong about shipwrecks, but laughably wrong. 1) The Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis doesn't suggest the entire world was impacted all at once, flooding everything everywhere. Just a half dozen places at most. And at least one, and perhaps more, were over the ice sheets. 2) the Dokos shipwreck is the oldest shipwreck yet discovered at about 2,500-ish years old. And all that's left is a bunch of broken amphorae... no ship, just crockery. And what isn't rotted away is buried under silt. Any shipwrecks Graham is talking about would be three times as old. 3) More importantly, the issue isn't just the age of old shipwrecks, but their depth. Free divers can only go down about 40 meters without special equipment, whereas the remains of any ancient ship would be at least 120 meters.
There are a dozen or more points I could make about Flint being wrong, but hopefully, you get the idea. Please don't hold him up as someone to be championed.
I thought flint did pretty good, raising some important points that hancock disciples dont want to think about. I think david miano would have been quite good vs hancock too.
This is why DEBATES SHOULD HAPPEN, right? I've seen some atheists and geologists think it's beneath them to debate young earth creationists, and historians think its wrong to directly address pseudohistory, but all that does is cede the public square to the fringe people, it allows bad ideas to spread. I wish more professionals would get out there and deal with pseudohistory and pseudoscience because if they dont deal with it then it just festers and every year more people succumb to the nonsense
We seem to find these types of walls pretty close the same time period
Was a great "debate" to watch and really enjoyed this interview. I was pleased with how well he seemed to do on there, it's not easy to not only be prepared to talk on so many subjects that Hancock may throw at you, but also to be on there with two guys who are not only friends, but both have plenty of experience speaking to such a massive audience and Dibble kind of being the odd man out there. I was just happy to see someone given a real chance to push back on Hancock's ideas in person, I don't think Graham really made any significant points in his favor, more or less backtracked a bit when faced against someone with real knowledge.
For another interesting take on that debate I would recommend checking out Atun-Shei Films video he just posted. He isn't in this field, he is more of a historian by nature and took a different approach in talking about this "Debate" and how scientists can approach dealing with pseudoscience figures.
Thanks for this, very well done. :) I love channels like yours, it's not my field, my passions lie in art and illustration but I love being curious about the world and thanks to channels like yours, Flints, and many other science and history channels it's easier than ever to get a lot of good quality information. It's also easy to fall down a wrong hole or two if you're not careful. Haha.
Ironically, Hancock had around ten visits on Joe Rogan where played the victim, complaining to millions of people how he's censored and banned while having his nonsense aired on Netflix . Mr.Dibble had one occasion to 'defend' all academics involved in history .
Talk about pressure !
Hancock never said he's been censored. He said people have attempted to censor him, very very different. You are one of those people who play the victim right here in front of everyone. ' had one occasion to defend all academics' blah blah. That's exactly the same type of nonsense you're complaining about. Its the same mentality as a person complaining about someone else getting attention because they do not get any. Funny how the start of your comment has the word 'ironically'.
Academics will always have a place on JRE if they tried. He's not blocking anything, he picks what is interesting to him. So if academics was not such stuck up boring people they may get further in life. (I have also been a academic for a long time so i can say from my experience.. its a area full of snobs and people who actually don't deserve the privilege of the way of life. It collapses because of this attitude seeping into their work. Archaeology will die because they think they know it all already. Why fund a bunch of unexciting know it all's. They should at least talk about possibility and what might be to get people excited about it.
@@mootzartdev Sure. Try to teach history to kids who are brainwashed by these grifters. Then come back on your high horse, Hancock has been pretending to be the victim for 40 years. Blaming everyone and everything for not getting academic recognition for his fantasies,.
He looks exactly like you would imagine someone named Flint Dibble would look like.
Great explanation from Dibble and Kayleigh, thanks.
We all need similar meetings of minds with proponents of weird ideas about the stone construction technology of Incans and Egyptians. I watch many videos claiming know techniques cannot explain how stone is drilled or shaped even people demonstrate it in real time.
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I never knew Vaush was an archeologist
The irony is that you reach a huge audience in this particular video cast because Hancock has been a celebrity in popular science for many decades. And you built up extra subscribers by covering Hancock a lot in the past.
Kayleigh, could those stone tools near your house possibly be from when the European continent was land-bridge -connected across to the British Isles?
If that's so, the remains/artifacts could go back to our earliest ancestors in that region, and beyond. Homo Sapiens, Neanderthals etc etc from our clade. to the mega-fauna, to species pre-PETM.