Lost Underwater City In India Rewrites History Of Civilisation?

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    In this video we are going to take a look at a lost ancient city underwater in the Gulf of Khambhat in India, that could possibly rewrite the history of civilization. But does it actually rewrite the history of civilization? Let’s find out, shall we?
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  • @HistoryWithKayleigh
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    • @nicod1361
      @nicod1361 Місяць тому +2

      unless I missed it , was there not any relevant earth sciences involved in determining when that area was last above sea level ? as has been done in other underwater sites, almost 100ft is not insignificant

    • @zvenlin
      @zvenlin Місяць тому

      so Uruk not Göbekli Tepe , hmm

    • @rubberducki0406
      @rubberducki0406 Місяць тому

      Iceland?? Am I right? Sweden, maybe??

    • @HistoryWithKayleigh
      @HistoryWithKayleigh  Місяць тому +1

      @@rubberducki0406 what? i'm Dutch..

    • @steveperreira5850
      @steveperreira5850 Місяць тому +1

      I want to offer some hopefully useful criticism. When you show pictures such as the underwater features in this video, and you don’t highlight the areas you are talking about or annotate The pictures, it is almost entirely useless to the observer. I stopped watching your video because of this.
      It would also be a lot better to see less of you and more of the things that you are talking about. This is common sense. I hope you find this criticism useful.
      You are a talented person and I know you are successful but I’m just trying to give you advice so that you can be even more successful

  • @miltron
    @miltron Місяць тому +28

    The strongest case for the submerged site having great age is the sea level rise. Sea levels were about 30m lower than today around 9,000 years ago, but seismically active areas can lift, or submerge land dramatically, so the area needs closer study.

    • @CoffeeFiend1
      @CoffeeFiend1 Місяць тому +4

      One of the biggest things that has damaged the pre-Sumerian era civilization narrative has actually been people talking about an ancient super civilization like it was one big contiguous entity. At this point it's very dubious to say that there weren't multiple civilizations prior to this timeframe and having multiple is actually less of a stretch than having 1 super duper hyper advanced one. There's literally ancient cities all over the world underwater, when people try and wade in and say that they're all connected as a single entity though rather than separate entities that probably knew of each other to varying extents it actually damages the case. Once the dogma has been lifted and people have woken up to these things actually being real (because they're literally right there) then we can try and infer what is and isn't older than what and what may or may not have been connected to whatever else.

    • @hitchensghost
      @hitchensghost 27 днів тому +1

      'Bright Insight' is convinced that the Eye of the Sahara is the site of Atlantis, which is supported by the map of Plato. it is currently at an elevation of 1000 ft. so It could have been at sea level 12000 years ago, if the land was tectonically lifted an inch a year. There are other megalithic stone structures submerged farther off the coast of India, and along what would have been a land bridge to Sri Lanka 12000 years ago. Researchers are currently prohibited from further exploration of these sites, because official historians refuse to contemplate changes to the official timeline .

    • @CoffeeFiend1
      @CoffeeFiend1 27 днів тому +1

      @@hitchensghost I've always been on the fence as to whether it's Atlantis or not although everything does match up somewhat shy of being damn near perfect. That said whether it was Atlantis or not it's pretty clear that it was something very, very far back in the past. There's also been a frankly ridiculous amount of secrecy surrounding it, it's been looked at by space agencies, intelligence agencies, militaries, even heard the Holy See had had a go at it at one point. Honestly the only way we'll ever get anything is if some outsider maverick billionaire went in privately and instigated open-source transparency.

    • @hitchensghost
      @hitchensghost 27 днів тому +1

      @@CoffeeFiend1 I suspect that a proper study of this land in Mauritania is difficult while the country is in turmoil. However there are also underwater exhibits near Japan and in the Mediterranean that should be examined with a more open mind that the governments of Egypt and India seem to allow.

    • @CoffeeFiend1
      @CoffeeFiend1 27 днів тому

      @@hitchensghost There's definitely too many agendas involved. Archaeology is dogmatic enough as it is but it doesn't help that so many of these sites are also located in regions where the Abrahamic twaddle permeates into nearly every academic discipline. I've long suspected that of countries, but Egypt very particularly, know a hell of a lot more about the structures and artifacts located in their lands than the rest of the world do. It wouldn't surprise me if half the stuff they hypothesize was originally in Egyptian structures is actually locked away somewhere under government control. Doesn't necessarily mean it's anything fantastical science fiction like.... But they have stuff.

  • @mariehughey5390
    @mariehughey5390 Місяць тому +62

    Dredging actually sounded like something treasure hunters would do, not archaeologists.

    • @raystephens9550
      @raystephens9550 Місяць тому +4

      Even then, high probability for mangled finds.

    • @johnassal5838
      @johnassal5838 Місяць тому +4

      There are not many options at depths beyond regular scuba diving can reach. As in at all. The kind of meticulous 3D grid dissection of a site is fine on dry land or in shallow water but at the hundreds of feet nominally expected for a ice age coastal location it's like going to space. I don't believe even saturated divers can operate that deep, at all. This either leaves very expensive and/currently non-existent ROVs or dredging.
      That said I read of a paleontologist using dredging to bring up parts of what is thought to be from the same mastodon skeleton on two separate occasions(*) off the flank of a seamount about a half mile down southwest of the Southern California channel islands. One expedition brought up part of a tusk and a subsequent expedition was actually able to reliably dredge the same quarter acre and find another fragment of tusk 800 meters down and some dozens of miles from dry land. Again, a far cry from dry land excavations but at the moment dredging such locations while still costly doesn't run into the tens of hundreds of millions.
      *It's thought that the animal fell into the ocean while grazing along the edge of a sea cliff, it's bloated carcass drifted out on currents and eventually settled on this mountain top by chance after rupturing. But the fact they seem to have struck the same animals remains far from shore and a half mile down seems impressive even if not as precise as traditional surface digs.
      ** The drifting carcass makes sense as more orthodox opinion holds that there is no way for a sea mount currently a half mile down to have been above the surface during that last ice age or even in the past several million to several dozen million years. Presumably some one off geological oddity might lift or drop one seamount somewhere that much in a million years but only as a one off event. So without any likelihood of it ever being an island inhabited by mastodon it follows they must be different fragments of one set of remains delivered in a one off event.

    • @JosephDiveley
      @JosephDiveley Місяць тому

      Archaeologist have committed so much fraud over the years so you have to take what they say with a grain of salt. Especially anything before the 1940's. I mean there have been lots of legit and quality professionals too. You just have to question anything and everything.

    • @dlxmarks
      @dlxmarks Місяць тому +8

      @@johnassal5838 At which point I ask what's the rush? As with the tomb of the first Qin Emperor or the Great Pyramids of Egypt, if the means to safely and methodically explore the site doesn't exist, have the patience to leave it be until it does. Sound like someone in India was overeager for notoriety.

    • @monkpato
      @monkpato Місяць тому +1

      @dlxmarks that was my thought exactly.

  • @AndrewJohnson-oy8oj
    @AndrewJohnson-oy8oj Місяць тому +103

    Media survives on hyperbole and oversimplification. It is their bread and butter. Thank you for holding up the neverending battle between sensationalism and science.

    • @trailerplots6944
      @trailerplots6944 Місяць тому

      People who thought Earth was flat are lecturing Indians about their civilization is the stupidest thing ever🤣🤣🤣

  • @zincChameleon
    @zincChameleon Місяць тому +140

    We had a priest staying at our monastery who lived in the city just on the beach there; he couldn't understand why archaeologists never asked the local fishermen about the sunken city. They relied on it as a spawning ground for fishing. 🙃

    • @jasoncuculo7035
      @jasoncuculo7035 Місяць тому +2

      Wow

    • @comfortablynumb9342
      @comfortablynumb9342 Місяць тому +9

      The fish used it to spawn and the fishermen used it to find the fish. A lot of species of fish like structures on the bottom like coral or rocks, but a ship or building is the same to them.

    • @raymondcava4669
      @raymondcava4669 Місяць тому +1

      🤣

    • @Timbo6669
      @Timbo6669 Місяць тому +3

      @@comfortablynumb9342 True, it’s one of reasons why we _scuttle_ warships.

    • @waynesworldofsci-tech
      @waynesworldofsci-tech Місяць тому

      Hey, what would the locals know? They only live there.
      Typical chauvinism.

  • @fr.israelsanchez1041
    @fr.israelsanchez1041 Місяць тому +44

    Greetings from Rome!
    I rarely post comments, but I did want to praise the obvious care you put into crafting your scripts, as the videos you've put out this year have been especially excellent in that regard. There's almost a story-like quality to the order and structure, which makes the already-interesting content that much more engaging.
    If you do a Q&A anytime soon, I'd be interested in hearing how you go about taking all your research and weaving it into a cohesive narrative, whether you have some training in journalism or creative writing, whether it comes naturally, etc.
    Thanks for another great video.

    • @HistoryWithKayleigh
      @HistoryWithKayleigh  Місяць тому +11

      Thank you so much for your lovely comment 😊 very much appreciated 👏

    • @trailerplots6944
      @trailerplots6944 Місяць тому

      People who thought Earth was flat are lecturing Indians about their civilization is the stupidest thing ever🤣🤣🤣

  • @Kalki0025
    @Kalki0025 Місяць тому +16

    You should look into the new findings from the Bhirrana excavation in India. They suggest that the Indus Valley Civilization dates back to 8000 BCE instead of 3000 BCE, revealing a civilization that is 10,000 years old. Bhirrana is now known to be older than Mehrgarh.

    • @David-gh6vp
      @David-gh6vp Місяць тому +2

      Good. Because that is almost certainly the situation. The river channel [ancient Indus] and clear, unfragmented streets, et c. to indicate that this site was inundated at the beginning of the interglacial age and is therefore easily 10 millennia old. Why all the surprise about the age? Doesn't Crete go back 9100 years? Gobekli Tepe in Turkiye [sp] is estimated at 11,000 years. This works. . . .

    • @embody_your_awakening
      @embody_your_awakening Місяць тому +3

      Because its a paradigm shift. And most people dont want to conceive that there were advanced civilisations more than 10,000 years ago and some of these destroyed / flooded cities were clearly down the line of their development which would indicate 1000s of years prior to 10,000 bc

    • @sunnymitra6372
      @sunnymitra6372 Місяць тому

      She's spreading misinformation based on British and Marxist historians

    • @slappy8941
      @slappy8941 22 дні тому

      I have thought for a while that the first civilization began in the Indus Valley, possibly before the Younger Dryas Event, partly because the region would've been much more temperate than it is today.

    • @Pablo9svn8
      @Pablo9svn8 20 днів тому

      Bhirrana is fascinating but like she mentioned guys just because it was in the same region as the indus valley civilization doesn’t necessarily mean it was actually part of that same civilization. Bhirrana would also be considered the pre-early Harappan phase. Even the early harrapan phase was more of a culture than a true civilization nvm pre-early harappan. If we divided sumerian civilization into these same kind of phases many of the earlier cultures of anatolia and the levant could also be attached to Mesopotamian civilization as well which would draw their date back even further than it currently is too. We all love mysteries of the ancient world but i think a lot of ppl nowadays have a subconscious fear that we are running out of amazing things to find and so they hyperbolize the things we do find to try and confirm to themselves that there is still more left to be found. Its not necessary tho there is plenty left to be found either way

  • @jerryhatley5004
    @jerryhatley5004 Місяць тому +30

    This story proves that even in todays technological world, sometimes science is practiced in the same heavy handed way it was several centuries ago….sad….

    • @JonathonPawelko
      @JonathonPawelko Місяць тому +3

      Truly this is horrible, dredging up a 3000+ BCE archaeological site is just another example of dig and destroy archaeology. There is zero context to analyze anything of relevance, all they can say is that something was found. What a horrible disaster for archaeology, history and humanity as a whole.

    • @trailerplots6944
      @trailerplots6944 Місяць тому

      People who thought Earth was flat are lecturing Indians about their civilization is the stupidest thing ever🤣🤣🤣

    • @johnassal5838
      @johnassal5838 Місяць тому +2

      @@JonathonPawelko Beyond scuba depth it's virtually impossible to do that sort of work. Considering tidal action it can be all but impossible to protect a dig even in shallow water from getting churned up by nature itself. While deep water avoids that it's incredibly nontrivial to do much of anything more than 100ft down and impossible without the resources commonly available only to nation-states and large oil companies. The entire budget for all archeology could go into funding just a few such efforts. Unsurprisingly that's not happening.
      Paleontologists are apparently using dredging and afaik all of the ice age implements pulled from coastal waters around the UK were quite literally dredged up by accident in fisherman's drift nets that scraped bottom. Clearly it's not ideal but if your options are not to do anything or use dredging then that's a very tough call. Hopefully underwater drones both advance and get cheaper fast enough to side step that trade off sooner than later but for right now it's often going to be that way or no way.

    • @doomoo5365
      @doomoo5365 Місяць тому

      ​@@JonathonPawelkothank goodness Graham Hancock is there to point a finger imagine an investigative journalist does more for archeology than a whole countries archeology Department

  • @nelshrestha
    @nelshrestha Місяць тому +44

    Find a potential underwater archaeological site. Dredge it......😭😭😭

    • @russandrews3078
      @russandrews3078 Місяць тому

      Morons

    • @jorgegonzalez-larramendi5491
      @jorgegonzalez-larramendi5491 Місяць тому +1

      Try the Mahabhaharata. Adventure of Lord K knocking out Salwa's vimana. Someone was looking for the wreck. Why do you think the machines are always scrounging in the Himalayas? The dredging sounds soviruss.

    • @trailerplots6944
      @trailerplots6944 Місяць тому

      People who thought Earth was flat are lecturing Indians about their civilization is the stupidest thing ever🤣🤣🤣

    • @johnassal5838
      @johnassal5838 Місяць тому +5

      Unfortunately it seems there's not much else to do at >400ft down. Artifacts from former ice age grasslands around today's UK have all been scraped up by fishing nets. At these depths and further there simply are no feasible equivalents to the methodical incremental sectioning of surface archeology or in very shallow water. Not without nuclear submarine or saturation divers staying down weeks at a time like only the oil industry can afford.

    • @monkpato
      @monkpato Місяць тому

      @johnassal5838 then they should leave it alone. Technology will get better and cheaper in the future.

  • @badbiker666
    @badbiker666 Місяць тому +21

    Somebody PLEASE stop the NIOT from screwing up and tell them to stick to what they are designated to do. Or, if they are going to study an underwater human site, invite a marine archaeologist (or two) to guide them. This could be a significant site, but if it is only the NIOT doing the research, we'll never know!

    • @trailerplots6944
      @trailerplots6944 Місяць тому

      People who thought Earth was flat are lecturing Indians about their civilization is the stupidest thing ever🤣🤣🤣

  • @iaindavis4417
    @iaindavis4417 Місяць тому +33

    They really need to conduct a proper archeology expedition

    • @loke6664
      @loke6664 Місяць тому +1

      Yeah, Josh Gates from Expedition Unknown was more serious in his program there then the dredge guy.
      Seriously, "We found a piece of old regular wood at the site so we used that to date it within having any stratography. That sounds more like something the guys on "The curse of Oak island" would do then an actual archaeologist.
      The pottery shard Josh found hinted it was around 3000 years old but those were found at the beach and while they can tell us the city probably didn't sunk before that and really isn't much of an evidence either, even if man made pottery beats natural wood any day.
      Also, even if the city was in use 3000 years ago, that still wouldn't tell us when it was built and when it sunk. I have a feeling the local authorities would prefer to keep things as they are though, you can attract both Hindu pilgrims and Graham's fans that way.

    • @trailerplots6944
      @trailerplots6944 Місяць тому

      People who thought Earth was flat are lecturing Indians about their civilization is the stupidest thing ever🤣🤣🤣

    • @loke6664
      @loke6664 Місяць тому +1

      @@Hindu9054 Why would they care? Even the most modest dating would say it is at least 1500 years old and that would be older then they existed.
      But the 80s "excavation" wasn't particularly scientific which is why we are confused about the dating. I am hoping this time you have a few good underwater archaeologists on the job.
      A bunch of material from different places and stratas in the city should get that part down, even though carbon dating might complicated since sea water tend to screw with it. Pottery dating might be more useful in this case.
      From what can be seen, it doesn't look Harappan. Rakhigarhi and Mohenjodaro have their own style, but I guess finding some Harappan writing would change my opinion very fast.
      It is an interesting site in any case and since it has been wet we might find organic materials preserved which will tell us a lot about whoever lived there.
      And yeah, it would be great if it is Harappan, because there are so much we don't know about them.

    • @loke6664
      @loke6664 Місяць тому

      @@Hindu9054 That is something for archaeologists to confirm or not.
      You have access to the site so some digging should prove exactly how old it is beyond reasonable doubt.
      But carbon testing an unworked piece of wood someone dredged up and who been in salt water isn't evidence of anything really. Let the site speak for itself.
      And no, I am not saying that you are wrong but there is always a correct procedure with any site. Once the sites age is determined beyond reasonable doubt, you usually use sonar to make a map of the site and pick where you should dig after that.

    • @loke6664
      @loke6664 Місяць тому +2

      @@Hindu9054 Yeah, underwater archaeology is dangerous and you don't want to cause unnecessary damage to the site either.
      But a radar scan have the advantage that it can pick up things you can't see with your eyes and you can get a very exact map with it.
      I haven't really seen much film of the site except when Josh Gates did some underwater filming but it did seem a bit muddy the day he was diving and you do need a map for any archaeological survey anyways.
      It should also shows the streets, any signs for if it had water management and so on.
      Without a map you just get: This look kinda interesting and you can loose a lot of time on less essential places.
      As for those fragile temples, a underwater 3D scan is a good option. It is none intrusive and you can 3D print out a model of the building you scanned which is very helpful to figure out what was going on in it.
      It can also discover hidden symbols you can't see with your eyes. It uses a laser to scan like a LIDAR (Josh used one on an underwater stone circle outside Orkney).

  • @ironghostrotation
    @ironghostrotation Місяць тому +8

    You make the internet a better place

  • @mladenmatosevic4591
    @mladenmatosevic4591 Місяць тому +6

    There is number of now submerged buildings and even towns in Mediterranean too. As an interesting contrast, coast of Gulf of Bothnia in Scandinavia is actually rising from sea in glacial rebound. However in India many want to belive that Vedic literature is actual history and not just myth with occasional correct part memorized in lore.

  • @richardainsworth4357
    @richardainsworth4357 Місяць тому +3

    Thank you Kayleigh for what you do and for being curious :)

  • @scottbehl216
    @scottbehl216 Місяць тому +12

    Watching this one makes me wonder just how many Ancient Cities are lost under water, land and of course Ice ?? Nice job Kayleigh !!

    • @a.karley4672
      @a.karley4672 Місяць тому +1

      Many more under water than under ice.

    • @johnassal5838
      @johnassal5838 Місяць тому

      The way glaciers form they tend to scrape away an grind up anything laying around and transport it some large distance away, this is how socalled erratic boulders gouged out of mountains in upstate New York ended up in Central Park. So if say NYC was abandoned after a new glacial maximum started it would be smashed flat and ground to bits then spread over thousands of square miles not merely covered over by ice. There may arguably be clear signs of masonry or steel reinforced concrete "erratics" left but how recognizable these would be after 10,000 years, and possibly even more than one glacial cycle, is anyone's guess.
      Not that I'm proposing there must have been civilizations at our level before but it's interesting to consider that there could easily have been a culture that was at or approaching the level of 1801 England, just beginning a first industrial age and we could probably never say they had been there. Most mines would need to be along the coast and near sea level to support transport which would now put any such trace well out of easy reach of archeologists.
      In the 250,000 years relatively modern homo sapiens have been around there could've been any number of unremembered civilizations that rivaled Ancient Egypt, Greece or Rome only to flame out and descend to hunter gatherers before enough neighbors existed at one time to keep it self sustaining. After which all trace of their architecture was either lost in the sea, obliterated by glaciers or just maybe attributed to the most recent culture to have inhabited them. Possibly even repairing and being inspired by them.

    • @drexlerpytagoras908
      @drexlerpytagoras908 Місяць тому +1

      Probably several settlements where the Persian gulf is today. I would at least start searching there.

    • @a.karley4672
      @a.karley4672 Місяць тому +1

      @@drexlerpytagoras908 That would be an interesting place to look, for sure. Certain practical problems - nervous countries, verging on war ; national borders, oilfield seabed equipment - so the organization would be challenging. But a good place to look.

    • @christinehede7578
      @christinehede7578 Місяць тому +1

      Under sand too?

  • @TheMDJ2000
    @TheMDJ2000 Місяць тому +3

    Nicely written and presented, Kayleigh. Fascinating! Well done.

  • @cicad2007
    @cicad2007 Місяць тому +6

    Klee, thanks for the great video. I hadn't heard of the underwater city I have a friend who's uncle is from Gujarat. His uncle came to visit once, all the way from India, and we had a nice chat. I wrote a computer program so he could use his keyboard to type in his own language.

  • @drbigmdftnu
    @drbigmdftnu Місяць тому +7

    Why wouldnt they just scuba dive the site. You did say 100 feet right? Dredging is CRAZY

  • @dougalexander7204
    @dougalexander7204 Місяць тому +2

    I love how you pronounce the names of places and civilizations, ancient and modern. Much respect.

  • @ChuckCanada1
    @ChuckCanada1 Місяць тому +5

    Thanks for another great video Kayleigh.

    • @trailerplots6944
      @trailerplots6944 Місяць тому

      People who thought Earth was flat are lecturing Indians about their civilization is the stupidest thing ever🤣🤣🤣

  • @woodman4550
    @woodman4550 Місяць тому +3

    Thanks you, very good video!

  • @ErnaldtheSaxon
    @ErnaldtheSaxon Місяць тому +5

    Thank you. Keep up the good work.

  • @nickgleaves4863
    @nickgleaves4863 Місяць тому +3

    Another great video Kayleigh keep them coming

    • @trailerplots6944
      @trailerplots6944 Місяць тому

      People who thought Earth was flat are lecturing Indians about their civilization is the stupidest thing ever🤣🤣🤣

  • @abdool1972
    @abdool1972 Місяць тому +15

    @14:15 If you're playing the 'fact' drinking game - this is the point where you're going to black out.

    • @HistoryWithKayleigh
      @HistoryWithKayleigh  Місяць тому +5

      Agreed😂

    • @trailerplots6944
      @trailerplots6944 Місяць тому

      People who thought Earth was flat are lecturing Indians about their civilization is the stupidest thing ever🤣🤣🤣

    • @mrmcbeardy9268
      @mrmcbeardy9268 Місяць тому +1

      Im on my 5th glass of Tawny Port thanks to Kayleigh 😅 Cheers! 🍷

    • @HistoryWithKayleigh
      @HistoryWithKayleigh  Місяць тому +1

      @mrmcbeardy9268 whoops, drunk soon🤭😂

  • @jpd4627
    @jpd4627 Місяць тому +4

    Another fine topic. Thank you

  • @RobertBradford
    @RobertBradford Місяць тому +8

    Having worked in underwater archaeology, I can point out that the depth puts these ruins on the edge of practical excavation. Using regular (meaning affordable) gear and techniques, you’re going to get a few minutes of excavation in a day, which is painfully slow. Spending big money on advanced equipment and submersibles would help, but India doesn’t have a big budget for that. I hope they don’t do any further dredging because it’s ridiculously destructive and doesn’t give us much useful information. Maybe someday a wealthy school or person will do a proper excavation. Underwater work is HARD and expensive, but even a test site of a few meters would likely solve some of the riddles here.

    • @charliehunter9257
      @charliehunter9257 Місяць тому

      Where is James Cameron when we really need him to raise the bar?

    • @a.karley4672
      @a.karley4672 Місяць тому +1

      As a SCUBA diver, I concur on the depths being marginal for (open circuit) diving. You'd realistically only get one dive per diver per day, though (with rebreathers) you might get bottom time up to an hour/ diver/ day with reasonable care. The budget would need to include renting at least a portable recompression chamber, because this is professional work, not amateurs trying to get themselves killed.
      You could get SOME useful information, "in context" using a piston corer. At least enough to establish the site's stratigraphy and environmental history ; possibly even enough in-context material to pin the dating with carbon dating - though marine/ freshwater microfossils would be a surer bet.
      That might yeild enough to argue for funding for a proper marine archaeology dig.

    • @peterjohnson8106
      @peterjohnson8106 Місяць тому

      Rebreathers are the way to go, at the 30-40 meter depth you don’t need helium but a touch would be helpful. George Bass worked deeper but that was a small wreck and still took years

    • @a.karley4672
      @a.karley4672 Місяць тому

      @@peterjohnson8106 My rebreather-using friends don't use them for depth records (though some of them do that as well ; OC or on tri-mix ... ), theey use them for margin. If you've got 3 hours of endurance in your breathing gas tank, and are recycling diluent correctly in the closed loop, you're more worried about hunger, pissing your dry suit, or hypothermia than you are about completing 30 minutes of deco.

    • @peterjohnson8106
      @peterjohnson8106 Місяць тому

      @@a.karley4672 I’ve been around mix diving and rebreathers since the early 1990’s and 30-40 meters is not considered deep, more like the 2nd or 3rd deco stop on the way back up. My point was that using rebreathers for extended work on the bottom was the only economic and ergonomic way to do the work at the site. 10 trained rebreather archeological divers should be able to get 10 working hours on the site per day with each team of 5 doing two dive in a day and taking the next day off. It would require at least 7 rigs to keep the work going (5 in the water and 2 spares). This would be much easier and safer than what Bass and the Texas A&M teams did off of Turkey on open circuit air dives at up to 70 meters

  • @andydonnelly8677
    @andydonnelly8677 Місяць тому +3

    Another great post, love your content ❤

    • @trailerplots6944
      @trailerplots6944 Місяць тому

      People who thought Earth was flat are lecturing Indians about their civilization is the stupidest thing ever🤣🤣🤣

  • @indyj6458
    @indyj6458 Місяць тому +2

    You're awesome and I really enjoy your narrative of history. Keep up the good work.

  • @tezsullivan6048
    @tezsullivan6048 Місяць тому +1

    Thank you Kayleigh for another great presentation.

  • @charlessmarr7107
    @charlessmarr7107 Місяць тому +6

    Fortunately there are are few archaeologists that are trying to develop the infant techniques to really do underwater archaeology. Professor James Adovasio is involved in studying the Gulf of Mexico off the Florida coast.

    • @trailerplots6944
      @trailerplots6944 Місяць тому

      People who thought Earth was flat are lecturing Indians about their civilization is the stupidest thing ever🤣🤣🤣

  • @boroblueyes
    @boroblueyes Місяць тому +2

    Another great presentation, as always.

  • @seafoambeachcomb
    @seafoambeachcomb 17 днів тому +2

    I just love your channel! Nothing else is similar & that says alot!!!! Thank you!!!

  • @intothisworld
    @intothisworld Місяць тому +2

    I love the style of your presentations, very down to earth, thank you!

  • @BronZeage
    @BronZeage Місяць тому +5

    There are only two ways to have an underwater city. Either the water rises, or the city sinks. If the city was destroyed in an earthquake event, there would be a tremendous amount of metal and ceramic artifacts, with most of them in much the same condition as when they were lost. Rising water levels is a much slower process, but pottery used for storage and cooking is basically disposable. It has a fairly short useful life and it's thrown on the trash heap, where it sits, relatively intact. Finding really old wood and small bits of ceramics in a river delta is no surprise and is not evidence of anything.

    • @scienceexplains302
      @scienceexplains302 Місяць тому

      Or both, as is happening to several major cities. They are extracting so much water from under the city that they’re slowly sinking and the ocean is slowly rising.

  • @fepeerreview3150
    @fepeerreview3150 Місяць тому +5

    Hi Kayleigh! It's great to see you back. I hope you're feeling much better.
    On principle alone I rarely watch videos or read articles with click bait type titles like "Rewrites History" because I find the hype annoying. But of course, when it's Kayleigh who is reviewing one of those articles, then by all means I watch, because I know she will set the record straight.

    • @trailerplots6944
      @trailerplots6944 Місяць тому

      People who thought Earth was flat are lecturing Indians about their civilization is the stupidest thing ever🤣🤣🤣

  • @amousanon24
    @amousanon24 Місяць тому +2

    This is a wonderful synopsis with integrity and unbias breakdown/ presentation. Thank you!

  • @hoosierbuddy1251
    @hoosierbuddy1251 Місяць тому +3

    Great video. Intellectual honesty is very important in science communication.

  • @edgarsnake2857
    @edgarsnake2857 Місяць тому +2

    Thanks, Kayleigh, for your clear thinking and top quality presentations.

  • @mrmcbeardy9268
    @mrmcbeardy9268 Місяць тому +4

    G'day Kayleigh! 👋 As always, a delightfully upbeat and well-researched presentation from yourself. You are by far my favourite Archaeology channel on YT. I greatly admire and appreciate the careful consideration you put into your research and delivery, and especially your critical thinking and how it also applies to the choice of wording you use.
    On a personal note, as an Archaeologist (finishing my Honours degree), I was so disappointed in the methodology applied to the site in the Gulf of Cambat. There is so much potential there to have extracted some incredible, profound data that could give more definitive insights into a potential pre-Harappan society... and yet, so many elements of the investigation were bungled. It urks me to no end. You are so very correct when you state that In Situ artefacts are most important for temporal and spatial context. But what a fascinating site to begin with. It never fails to remind me of the discovery of Heracleion, which incidentally was discovered around a similar time. Have a fantastic rest of week Kayleigh, keep doing what you do; you're tremendous. Kudos from Aussieland ✌🏻

  • @OneWhoWalksAlone
    @OneWhoWalksAlone Місяць тому +1

    You produce a quality source of information. Thank you.

  • @JohnDiGiovanni-yh6ys
    @JohnDiGiovanni-yh6ys Місяць тому +4

    Thank you for the video, have a nice day.

  • @garyevans5605
    @garyevans5605 Місяць тому +2

    Great video learned so much .

  • @dt4676
    @dt4676 Місяць тому +2

    You're wonderful keep up the good work

  • @trekpac2
    @trekpac2 Місяць тому +1

    Your program is wonderful, Kayleigh! Informative, well-researched.
    I appreciate your energy, and your passion for your field.

  • @XMK2CATX1
    @XMK2CATX1 Місяць тому +3

    I've actually been on a short tour of one of the oldest known cities in the world. Back in the summer of 2007, we were offered the chance to tour the City of Ur. We were allowed to walk in the king's palace, their catacombs, up onto the ziggurat & even into Abraham's house. With the Aramaic writing outside, proclaiming who's house it was, I guess kinda like an address, like we use now. The house had 2 stories, with the ground floor restored to include a ceiling, although the second floor hadn't been rebuilt yet. Which does go in line with observations I made while over there. Almost all families that owned a single family home would sleep on the roof during the summer. The oldest known still free standing man made archway was there as well. The head archaeologist gave us the tour & said the archway was roughly 5k yrs old.

  • @alexanderdavis7749
    @alexanderdavis7749 Місяць тому +6

    i would never hate you for speaking your truth!

  • @albertdehn8381
    @albertdehn8381 Місяць тому +2

    Thanks for sharing 😀👍

  • @pazitor
    @pazitor Місяць тому +3

    Thanks, Kayleigh. Professional as always.

    • @trailerplots6944
      @trailerplots6944 Місяць тому

      People who thought Earth was flat are lecturing Indians about their civilization is the stupidest thing ever🤣🤣🤣

  • @howardtaylor3731
    @howardtaylor3731 Місяць тому +2

    You're one of the best looking historians and well informed about what you speak about
    Very pleasant to watch.

  • @LordDarque
    @LordDarque Місяць тому +3

    I've been hoping you'd cover this discovery.

  • @stephenrickjr.7519
    @stephenrickjr.7519 Місяць тому +2

    Very insightful, makes sense.

  • @robcreel4257
    @robcreel4257 Місяць тому +2

    There you go, making sense again. Well done as usual, Kayleigh.

  • @user-lz2es2bk6x
    @user-lz2es2bk6x Місяць тому +1

    i love you and your integrity and if people think sometimes you are wrong like i sometimes do they can do it and start a conversation and debate about it and we can all grow from all the different points of view.
    keep doing what you are doing, when i find it hard to find good information about new discovery i often find some of the answers i am looking for in your videos.
    thank you

  • @bellafemedia
    @bellafemedia Місяць тому +2

    I hope whatever this “News” inspires, that it’s NOT more dredging! - TY again for the great reporting

  • @wantgoodvibes6166
    @wantgoodvibes6166 Місяць тому +2

    Thanks Kayleigh! I always enjoy your well thought out videos and the sane and reasonable arguments you present. :)

  • @hiddentruth1982
    @hiddentruth1982 Місяць тому +5

    So they basically destroyed the site by dredging it rather than having divers go down there.

    • @sharonjuniorchess
      @sharonjuniorchess Місяць тому

      There is a lot of local politics that could stir up problems if these revelation are found to be true. Hence the lack of money being invested to find out the real significance of this site.

    • @CoffeeFiend1
      @CoffeeFiend1 Місяць тому

      Create the illusion of doing something positive. 99% of people don't care. About half of the 1% care enough to see something is being done and are too dumb to evaluate whether or not it's beneficial. There's a tiny minority that give a shit and understand what's going on. The big bad 'they' can do whatever they like.

  • @jeffstever7754
    @jeffstever7754 Місяць тому +2

    Like always a great work

  • @dacokc
    @dacokc Місяць тому +5

    I think in that geographical area it’s quite possible there was a large earthquake at some point where a plate sank*… like Alexandria, Egypt.

    • @JonathonPawelko
      @JonathonPawelko Місяць тому +1

      Considering that the subcontinent formations are prone to earthquakes this seems quite reasonable.

    • @animex8129
      @animex8129 Місяць тому

      This city sank at the time of younger drys its much older then people think and much larger it has approximatelly sank 7 times so the oldest layer is at the bottom it existed at the same time as atlantis.

  • @mikebarrow157
    @mikebarrow157 Місяць тому +3

    Good stuff K! Thanks. 😄

    • @trailerplots6944
      @trailerplots6944 Місяць тому

      People who thought Earth was flat are lecturing Indians about their civilization is the stupidest thing ever🤣🤣🤣

  • @erictaylor5462
    @erictaylor5462 Місяць тому +1

    "discover to rewriter..." is a quite common headline in articles published outside peer reviewed journal. It never rewrites anything, and is more likely not as nearly groundbreaking as the headlines suggest.

  • @FunkThompson
    @FunkThompson Місяць тому +4

    I guess my first question is, how can Nord VPN afford to sponsor *so many of the folks I watch on YT* :D

  • @petermaardananders6803
    @petermaardananders6803 Місяць тому +2

    Kayliegh, I appriciate your look on things. I want to know about all kinds of things from all kinds of different pov's, many ppl are quite narowminded/ blindsided and don't look further than the tips of their noses. Thanks for showing and sharing your perspectives and comments on many things and topics 👍

  • @carriekelly4186
    @carriekelly4186 Місяць тому +2

    Really great one Kayleigh well done! I hope im speaking correctly when i add here that i didnt read the peer reviewed paper but did hear that the type of pottery found at the site here had a red glaze and could not have existed 32K years ago or even 9K because it wasnt creared until a bit later. Thats all i got😊❤keep posting!! So great❤

  • @johndumoulin5808
    @johndumoulin5808 Місяць тому +2

    Great explanation , on many levels,

  • @martinboyle9163
    @martinboyle9163 Місяць тому +2

    What a very interesting and fascinating show! ❤

  • @WojtekB11
    @WojtekB11 Місяць тому +5

    Maybe the simplest way is to check when this area was on the surface? Then we would know the minimal age at least

    • @trailerplots6944
      @trailerplots6944 Місяць тому

      People who thought Earth was flat are lecturing Indians about their civilization is the stupidest thing ever🤣🤣🤣

    • @rianfelis3156
      @rianfelis3156 Місяць тому +1

      It can be tricky. Local geology can easily cause an area to uplift or subside relative to sea level, whether from tectonics or just sand getting washed out of an aquifer. The silt around a river delta is especially prone to extra settling when you put the weight of water on top of it.

  • @kirbycarpenter9775
    @kirbycarpenter9775 Місяць тому +3

    I wanted to say “just the facts” but I think you had that covered. Great video.

  • @HarmonDMark
    @HarmonDMark Місяць тому +5

    You an excellent analytically mind.🎉

  • @michardav
    @michardav Місяць тому

    Love to see a video about the Solutrean hypothesis and your opinion.

  • @WCO3
    @WCO3 Місяць тому +2

    Pure unfiltered awesome sauce ,,, as always.

  • @ravenfeader
    @ravenfeader Місяць тому +2

    Great job kayleigh with your truthfulness and correctness you're a breath of fresh air .

  • @patcassidyOutdoors
    @patcassidyOutdoors Місяць тому +5

    Opinions can be spouted by anyone. I love your adherence to EVIDENCE!

  • @infinite8586
    @infinite8586 Місяць тому +2

    In south India near Mahabalipuram, there are evidence of submerged structures. May not be as ancient but definitely need looking into.

  • @rahulvyas6696
    @rahulvyas6696 Місяць тому +5

    Dwarka? Wow excited indeed. I was there in 2016.

    • @richardlynch5632
      @richardlynch5632 Місяць тому +2

      😎👍
      Dwarka (The original) undersea excavations that are still in progress (withOUT dredging as I understand 👍👍) are very interesting.
      So much history there not to mention it was home to Krishna 😉👍👍

    • @rahulvyas6696
      @rahulvyas6696 Місяць тому

      Indeed. ​@@richardlynch5632

  • @e.foster1284
    @e.foster1284 Місяць тому +2

    As soon as you said "dredging"...🙄 That settled it for me. Good video Kayleigh.

  • @archeologicalstudent5234
    @archeologicalstudent5234 Місяць тому

    Intelligent and easy on the eyes! Love your history lessons!

  • @ericjamison8063
    @ericjamison8063 Місяць тому +19

    As always, a great breakdown of facts vs fiction

  • @matthemming9105
    @matthemming9105 Місяць тому +10

    Finally, Atlantis Confirmed!!! 🎉
    (As an allegorical story w8th zero historical basis 😂)

    • @trailerplots6944
      @trailerplots6944 Місяць тому

      People who thought Earth was flat are lecturing Indians about their civilization is the stupidest thing ever🤣🤣🤣

  • @elenafetter9690
    @elenafetter9690 Місяць тому +1

    Aw! Andrew! I had an older brother with CP...so my heart goes out to you! So glad you have this channel....I live in the Seattle area with family. Look forward to seeing more videos, hun!❤❤❤
    PS...you are only 1 year older than my son😊

  • @billybobholcomb8768
    @billybobholcomb8768 Місяць тому +2

    My heart sank a bit when you mentioned that the site was dredged. We will never know how the site was layered. And the pottery was no doubt crumbled a bit in the process. It is possible that rising sea levels forced acupants of such a city to relocate. sad that this site was mishandled so.

  • @richardwilliamswilliams
    @richardwilliamswilliams Місяць тому +5

    Good afternoon from Copperhill Tn 😊

  • @tollefreyerson6710
    @tollefreyerson6710 Місяць тому +2

    You are such a breath of fresh of fresh air!!!!! Thank you!!! You have all of your facts straight!!! I wish other people would just listen to you or at least just slow down breath and follow the facts!!! The facts will never ever lie. Follow the facts. Thank you!!!

  • @AngelRivera-wp9bg
    @AngelRivera-wp9bg Місяць тому +1

    As usual very educational .

  • @cottonwoodslim3497
    @cottonwoodslim3497 Місяць тому +2

    I always enjoy listening. I had a feeling when I saw the subject that Graham would come up. I wonder how his timeline for this fits in with all the his other timelines.

  • @lesliepaulkovacs6442
    @lesliepaulkovacs6442 Місяць тому +7

    I’m guessing that it became submerged due to Tectonic activity from the Indian Subcontinent heading North into the Himalayas.

    • @5nowChain5
      @5nowChain5 Місяць тому

      That and 300m+ Tsunami as well as sea level rises of 400ft+ from melting northern ice sheets would tend to wipe out all human civilisations along all coastlines. moto: don't piss off your alien overlords and start a global world war when the enemy has the highest ground (space) and can easily chuck asteroids at you. it tends to wipe out billions and erase all presence of previous human existence. (being washed out onto the continental shelf and even off it along with being buried in deep sea sedimental layers.)

    • @trailerplots6944
      @trailerplots6944 Місяць тому

      People who thought Earth was flat are lecturing Indians about their civilization is the stupidest thing ever🤣🤣🤣

    • @a.karley4672
      @a.karley4672 Місяць тому

      The tectonics are certainly going on, but my reading of the site pictures (as a geologist) is that it's a (recently - few thousand years) abandoned branch of some river's delta, and it is well known (to geologists, and Nederlanders) that the ground in river deltas is continually subsiding as the sediments compact and de-water. Around 1m/century is a perfectly normal rate for this. So, if the Netherlands build a 5m tall dyke, they'll need to replace (or raise) it in about 400 years time - less if it is stormy weather. Nothing more exciting than ground compaction is necessary.

  • @NeBuLiSt
    @NeBuLiSt Місяць тому +2

    You had me at Lost Underwater City in India!!!!! 😮

    • @NeBuLiSt
      @NeBuLiSt Місяць тому +1

      Who finds an ancient underwater city and thinks... "I know, I'm gonna dredge straight through the middle of that and destroy everything!!!"
      surely a cautious scuba expedition would be more sensible!!!!!

  • @DavidRandolphStudio
    @DavidRandolphStudio Місяць тому +3

    One thing about archeological dogma that has always puzzled me - the view that it took centuries for groups or tribes to move....a couple hundred miles. The idea that the pre-Harrapans never walked over to the coast, may not be that accurate. Probably they went there for weekends at least, and possibley also for summer holidays. Thats where they got their oysters and surfed. Seriously its more likely that they were all over the coast and we just haven't found evidence yet. Sadly this evidence, untold centuries later, may just not exist. Similarly, an archeologist might find a dozen pots in a red colour and excitedly believe he's found a whole new culture / tribe / when really, someone's cousin Minnie just happened to like red and took a shot at using red dyes one day. Everybody else was using blue, but red was her thing. This is the fallacy of over-concluding from scantily clad evidence. Anyway GREAT video as usual, love how we get to discourse about these things and not be trapped in a lecture hall with one "scientist" with the common sense of a duck leading the way LOL.

  • @hiddentruth1982
    @hiddentruth1982 Місяць тому +2

    That isn't the only place that has been found off the coast. Egypt has found buildings and statues as well.

    • @HistoryWithKayleigh
      @HistoryWithKayleigh  Місяць тому +2

      Yes, Thonis Heracleion 😊 made a video on it as well

    • @animex8129
      @animex8129 Місяць тому

      Well egypt we know is different than the actual egypt there were two eqypts one was prosperous but it got destroyed and then again when people settled it is the second egypt which is what we know as egypt

  • @sauntor
    @sauntor Місяць тому +3

    Thank you for the facts. All of the facts! =)

  • @danoblue
    @danoblue Місяць тому +2

    As (I think) Arthur C. Clarke once said, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Interesting, balanced presentation. Being skeptical is essential to critical thinking.

    • @a.karley4672
      @a.karley4672 Місяць тому

      That's a Carl Sagan line, not ACC (though both knew and respected the other). It was part of his (CS) "bullshit detection kit" - though I think he used a slightly more 1970s "family friendly" term.

    • @danoblue
      @danoblue Місяць тому

      @@a.karley4672 I stand corrected.

  • @tomriley5790
    @tomriley5790 Місяць тому +1

    Given that there was a 120m sea level rise at the end of the last glaciation and most human habitation occurs along coast lines or rivers it makes sense to me that there could well be cities that were submerged.
    Sumerian literature (the first known city) ascribed their first cities as having been built by "the city builders" who came from elsewhere, it seems to make sense that there could well have been an older city in the gulf or somewhere now submerged down stream from the Euphrates and Tigris.

  • @clsclearlightsound5594
    @clsclearlightsound5594 Місяць тому +4

    Have you forgotten about Gobeckli Tepe and the other sites in Turkey? That civilization far predates Sumer. Also as a suggestion, have you investigated the Caral civilization of Peru?

    • @HistoryWithKayleigh
      @HistoryWithKayleigh  Місяць тому +2

      Have you not learned that Göbekli tepe was created by hunter gatherers, monumental architecture does not mean civilization. Best look up the definition of a civilization before incorrectly trying to correct me

    • @clsclearlightsound5594
      @clsclearlightsound5594 Місяць тому +2

      @@HistoryWithKayleigh Thank you. It seems there were satellite sites around Gobekli Tepe. Perhaps the definition of what civilization is, needs to be revised. Even if the people responsible for the various Tepe constructions were hunter gatherers, does that make them UNcivilized? In my opinion, when human beings form social structures, with agreed upon codes of behaviour, laws governing those societies, and when interactions between members of that group are civil and ethical, whether nomadic or sedentary, those cultures should be considered "civilizations". I think that how we act and care for one another, how we allow creativity to develop, has a lot more to do with being civilized than the monumental structures we build. What makes us think that hunter gatherers couldn't create a civilization - as hunter gatherers?
      Mahatma Gandhi was once asked by a reporter, "Mr. Gandhi, what do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi replied, "I think it's a very good idea."

  • @TurboWulfe
    @TurboWulfe Місяць тому +2

    Another great vid, take care and God bless 😎🤘🍻

  • @Audioslaaf
    @Audioslaaf Місяць тому +1

    Very informative video again, Kayleigh.
    Honestly I don’t have anything of value to say here as I know practically nothing about this particular bit of history. But I do love a bit of Graham bashing. And learning about history, of course...
    That crackpot needs to be corrected once in a while and I am glad you’re not afraid to do it.

  • @davidcreager1945
    @davidcreager1945 Місяць тому +2

    Kayleigh , i for one respect and appreciate your honesty . I prefer the facts and not guessing ! Great video ! Hope you have an amazing day / night

  • @vdelrio999
    @vdelrio999 Місяць тому

    Gorgeous! Thank you!

  • @charlesblake1735
    @charlesblake1735 Місяць тому +2

    Kayleigh, you're doing the right thing and your professional stature grows. Stay the course. Stick with truth, honesty and integrity.

  • @johnassal5838
    @johnassal5838 Місяць тому +3

    I was wondering if any of my channels would pick up this story. It's certainly interesting.

  • @itsapittie
    @itsapittie Місяць тому +1

    As usual, well reasoned and well presented. It’s a very interesting discovery, but I think it’s premature to make any conclusions from it.

  • @SerpentNight
    @SerpentNight Місяць тому +4

    Though I am American you don't have to do imperial conversions for may sake. I understand the metric system well enough.

    • @kensmith5694
      @kensmith5694 Місяць тому

      Also: For the accuracy needed in the discussion of sizes and depths 1meter = 1yard = 3feet. A 10% error is not going to matter to this story.