Underhand Vs Overhand Triceps Pushdown | WHICH BUILDS BIGGER ARMS?

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  • @AverageDudeTV
    @AverageDudeTV 7 років тому +101

    Mixing both grips together in a superset is something I love to do, and it absolutely shreds!

    • @ScottHermanFitness
      @ScottHermanFitness  7 років тому +37

      yea that is what I like to call best of both worlds!

    • @rotooki1154
      @rotooki1154 7 років тому +4

      Average Dude TV same here, i love to just superset tris with varying grips and hammer them to failure, as long as I overload the tris and fail i get the pump and can maintain that juicy horseshoe lol i usually throw in some cable curls in between too

    • @KenanTurkiye
      @KenanTurkiye 2 роки тому

      The position of the elbow according to the body makes a difference to the triceps activation ''point''.

  • @Typofinn
    @Typofinn 7 років тому +217

    Its awesome that you are still into Dragon Ball Z and aint afraid to show it

  • @ScottHermanFitness
    @ScottHermanFitness  7 років тому +143

    There is a lot of misinformation about this exercise online, which is unfortunately as it is a very simple movement. You literally just extend your arms and BOOM.. triceps growth. You don't even need a BAHBELL to do it either! I think you guys are really going to like this one ANNNNNNNND I decided to shorten my vid length.. Thumbs up for that!! haha ENJOY! :-D
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    • @embo3073
      @embo3073 7 років тому +1

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    • @Spectator182
      @Spectator182 7 років тому +2

      ScottHermanFitness
      another great info but man wtf are you wearing ? lol just kidding you look like a Dragon ball z character lol

    • @ScottHermanFitness
      @ScottHermanFitness  7 років тому +4

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    • @Spectator182
      @Spectator182 7 років тому

      ScottHermanFitness
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    • @matosmarcos1
      @matosmarcos1 7 років тому

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  • @mattgreen8
    @mattgreen8 7 років тому +2

    I have been teaching music in public schools for 10 years. I know a great teacher when I see one. You have a super teaching ability. Thank you for breaking everything down, especially those big words that amateurs like me don't quite understand yet. Great channel!!! Great work!!!

  • @jamie91995
    @jamie91995 7 років тому +16

    Suggestions for future episodes
    T-bar vs cable vs bent over vs pendlay row
    Lat pull down vs pull up
    Wrist curls vs grip strengtheners
    Hack squat vs front squat

    • @Woe_Jirb
      @Woe_Jirb 7 років тому +3

      The chemistry Nerd dont you meam T-BAAAAAA

  • @MatiasStrengthCoach
    @MatiasStrengthCoach 7 років тому +10

    Good video and I agree that focusing on compounds is the important part and isolation movements are there as a compliment, and also regarding the hand position. On thing though, the long head of the triceps originates in the scapula, for this reason it also performs shoulder extension, so the triceps is a biarticular muscles, which means it crosses two joints. Keep it up Scott!

  • @lukashornstedt2604
    @lukashornstedt2604 7 років тому +144

    staaaaded!

  • @Jonnynot1plate
    @Jonnynot1plate 7 років тому +16

    Watched it twice. Once for the information. Secondly to admire the Saiyan gear.

  • @AsianEquation
    @AsianEquation 7 років тому +3

    Great info, no fucking bullshit, sickening physique. You don't find too many guys like these in the fitness community. Good shit Scott

  • @sankalpdeshkar123
    @sankalpdeshkar123 7 років тому +18

    Damn..was expecting him to go super saiyan...

    • @ScottHermanFitness
      @ScottHermanFitness  7 років тому +4

      the next form looks normal... haha like being a SSJ without trying :-D

  • @strawberryyogurt0
    @strawberryyogurt0 5 років тому +3

    Honestly, I feel a different (stronger) tricep contraction when I use the underhand grip. Do it right now with no weights wherever you are --- extend your arms and contract your triceps hard using an overhand grip; now flip it to an underhand grip, and contract the triceps -- I feel a much stronger contraction with the underhand grip.

    • @jawadkhalique9997
      @jawadkhalique9997 4 роки тому +1

      Yeah bro, same here, that was the exact reason why I came here to see what exactly is going on. I feel the underhand way more than the overhand...

  • @SakariKempas
    @SakariKempas 7 років тому +12

    Clicked for the info, stayed for the smile :) Thanks Scott! I see you are repping TEAM VEGETA proudly!

  • @bhavikpatel8730
    @bhavikpatel8730 7 років тому +29

    shout out to scott for wearing a full vegeta outfit, thats commitment right there

    • @ScottHermanFitness
      @ScottHermanFitness  7 років тому +5

      +SaiyanDrums just need the hair now haha. Thanks my bro!!

  • @Ascii89
    @Ascii89 7 років тому +1

    ".... join our growing community..." Incidental double-entendre, well played good sir!

  • @je1465
    @je1465 7 років тому +2

    You ve changed your stance now and emphasize the importance of compounds more , not saying you said isolations work better but what people would most likely understand from your previous videos would be to use isolation exercises , good job 👏🏻👍🏻

  • @sumitjeevnanii
    @sumitjeevnanii 7 років тому +30

    Ur Channel is just beyond Awesome... Keep it up Bro..

  • @Peters3n
    @Peters3n 7 років тому +2

    The triceps also helps extending the shoulder and adduction of the arms

  • @kinluke
    @kinluke 7 років тому +1

    AAAAHMS! Thanks for another great video Scott! Greetings from Malaysia.

  • @therealretroreacts
    @therealretroreacts 7 років тому

    My man Scott deserves all the likes, for the simple fact he makes free videos for us. Also is sincere and informative with the information. 👍🏾

  • @mcpepeh7177
    @mcpepeh7177 7 років тому +4

    I really like these shorter videos. Thanks for making the content more convenient to watch.

  • @KL-yu6om
    @KL-yu6om 7 років тому +1

    Scott I don't know what's more iconic, your workout outfits or your accent :D

  • @anomdevgun
    @anomdevgun 7 років тому +2

    I legit never knew the underhanded grip. I'mma get staahted now. thanks man!!

  • @nikolasdavis8137
    @nikolasdavis8137 7 років тому +1

    I think their is some benefit to throwing in a tricep cable kickback in witch the elbow does stay behind the hip. This works the tricep in its most contracted position. And as long as you keep your elbow in the locked position it is very beneficial to developing a mind muscle connection as well as making a very good finisher with a bit more TUT than DB kickbacks

    • @ScottHermanFitness
      @ScottHermanFitness  7 років тому

      yeah... ALWAYS cable kickbacks.. DB kickbacks are kinda useless imo. cables hit the triceps so much harder!

  • @memo431
    @memo431 7 років тому +1

    Good to see you back :D

  • @stevewildeagle965
    @stevewildeagle965 6 років тому +1

    I do both, and feel it in different areas, I also do close grip barbell.
    I tend to do more one handed underhand grip, and the rope is great.

  • @dtfasedemi
    @dtfasedemi 7 років тому +1

    Thanks so much Scott! This opened my eyes big time. I've got a long term shoulder injury which prevents me from doing dips, close grip bench press and overhead extensions so all I'm doing is pushdowns with different grips

  • @paulwrightson4747
    @paulwrightson4747 7 років тому +1

    Thank you for clearing that up I've always been abit confused witch variation to use keep it up mate.

  • @subhamchowdhury6672
    @subhamchowdhury6672 7 років тому

    I shared a link below in my last comment. You can check the link. The underhand/overhand grip of triceps push down is not about a change in the grip: it is not about supination and pronation of the forearm muscle. It is about the internal and external rotation of the shoulder. And thus, it does have an effect on your triceps.

  • @MrFiestaification
    @MrFiestaification 7 років тому +3

    Most people don't know but Scott was actually doing his video in 400 times earth gravity

  • @AndresDiaz-dt6px
    @AndresDiaz-dt6px 7 років тому +1

    Nice video man! Always as informative!! But there is one thing: bringing the elbow behind the body gives the tricep a fuller contraction because the long head is also responsible for this movement. But keep up the great videos!!

  • @mircy4555
    @mircy4555 7 років тому

    I feel like the reason some people (myself included) extend their wrist at the bottom of the movement is that it helps keep the wrist in a comfortable position while doing a one hand push down behind the hips. I tend to feel a better contraction in the long head, rather than just the lateral and medial head, when I push all the way behind my hips because it shortens the tricep even further, almost like a tricep kickback. What do you think?

  • @PhilipDavies62
    @PhilipDavies62 7 років тому

    Brilliant, finally some sense and advice everyone can follow. Other fitness channels should take note.

  • @rahul581
    @rahul581 7 років тому +1

    Great content. You should start a Underhand Vs. Overhead series for some exercises and adding your own tips and tweaks. Just a tip. Loving ur tips lately. 💪✌

  • @reaper20154
    @reaper20154 7 років тому +45

    Jeff from Athlean x said in one video that the overhand grip puts more emphasis on the lateral head and the underhand grip on the medial head, what?

    • @ScottHermanFitness
      @ScottHermanFitness  7 років тому +26

      good for him.. a simple google search from reputable sources will show that simply twisting the wrist doesnt make a difference. Arm position is the deciding factor. :-D

    • @reaper20154
      @reaper20154 7 років тому +1

      ScottHermanFitness alright, thanks for the reply and the video man👍

    • @ScottHermanFitness
      @ScottHermanFitness  7 років тому +11

      anytime my bro!! that is what I am here for! :-D

    • @drottie
      @drottie 7 років тому

      Lucian Nestor I do a set with hands about shoulder width or just inside, then I do wide grip close to where lat bar starts to bend, let elbows flare slightly hits more outer and upper then go back to close grip, 3 sets of that fairly heavy on last 2 sets bam

    • @bharathvrao691
      @bharathvrao691 7 років тому +17

      It's not abt twisting the wrists.. it's abt internal r external rotation at the shoulders that makes the difference.

  • @Tgrey808
    @Tgrey808 5 років тому

    I read somewhere that the underhand grip targets the forearm a little more similar to how reverse curls target the forearms as well

  • @UnknownUser-fg3fs
    @UnknownUser-fg3fs 7 років тому +1

    Great straight to the point video.

  • @bim41337
    @bim41337 7 років тому

    As far as I know, it's right that the grip position does not really matter in your triceps training. But it's not quite correct that just extending the ellbow is all the triceps does. The long head also works when you're pulling your arm behind your body. That's why it's more engaged when your arms are over your head: It's the exact opposite of bringing your arms behind your body, so the long head is on a massive pre-stretch.
    Still a helpful video with useful information, I just felt like this needed to be added.

  • @habs4life41
    @habs4life41 7 років тому

    I subscribed for that accent, left with workout advice.. loving it !

  • @JRP3
    @JRP3 6 років тому

    Long head of the triceps crosses the shoulder joint and is involved in pulling the arm back behind your body. Seems as though avoiding full contraction of the muscle by not doing exercises which extend the arm behind your body would be limiting potential growth.

  • @kjalleyne15
    @kjalleyne15 7 років тому +3

    Hey Scott. Awesome vid as always. You should do a video on strength curves and how you can make simple adjustments to a single exercise to change them.

  • @harleythwaites9842
    @harleythwaites9842 7 років тому

    The tricep also does GH extension... you should also try demoing supination from 90 degrees elbow flexion as you were primarily doing GH external rotation

  • @abdullahmorad7117
    @abdullahmorad7117 7 років тому

    I really needed this.Idk why I thought that a supinated grip might target the long head which is the least prominent head in my triceps.Thanks!!

  • @danstafford5977
    @danstafford5977 5 років тому

    A pronated grip tricep pressdown is an all-in-one basic exercise... a supinated tricep pressdown is basically a tricep kickback... which is a cutting exercise that brings out the heads of the tricep... a neutral grip tricep press down is another cutting exercise that brings out the Horseshoe in the tricep! The last two exercises are pre-contest exercises... for most people they're wasting there time, there's no contest pending!

  • @nikefutbol13
    @nikefutbol13 7 років тому

    Like button has been smashed. Thanks bro!

  • @52cardsco
    @52cardsco 7 років тому +2

    V baaaar... love this guy!! Good advice

  • @nikosboul-akk
    @nikosboul-akk Рік тому

    the reason you can push more weight with the pronated grip is that other muscles like front delts,chest etc. are helping with the movement....by using underhand grip is all triceps...grip strenght is not the limiting factor although is worked hard also...underhand grip is better,at least for me....

  • @JAC3DG33K
    @JAC3DG33K 7 років тому

    Yep all depends on what feels good for your body for that session regardless of grip and gotta love the Saiyan Armor gainz

  • @MrBrownieGaming
    @MrBrownieGaming 7 років тому

    Well the long head of the tricep does help the arm extend behind the body also

  • @ronl9357
    @ronl9357 7 років тому +3

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  • @spikeboy101
    @spikeboy101 7 років тому

    twisting your wrist puts focus more on the lateral head and pulling past your back fully contracts your tricep muscles

    • @ScottHermanFitness
      @ScottHermanFitness  7 років тому

      +spikeboy101 lolol science is science dude. The triceps extend the arm... that's it.

  • @Qzypt215
    @Qzypt215 7 років тому

    Athlean x guy said that the underarm focuses a bit more of a small muscle in the tricep,like behind the arm ,a bit above the elbow. Overhand grip doesn't get the muscle THAT much and mainly focuses on the big muscle which is behind the arm going a bit up by the shoulder(the one when extending your arms and hanging down)

    • @ScottHermanFitness
      @ScottHermanFitness  7 років тому

      +Mr. arFly good for him. Now research the function of the triceps. They extend the arm. Wrist position during this movement means nothing

    • @Qzypt215
      @Qzypt215 7 років тому +1

      ScottHermanFitness I'm not an expert at anything but there are different opinions about a lot of different things so...and yes I do know the function of the tricep.

  • @Rajsinghvlog77
    @Rajsinghvlog77 7 років тому +1

    As usual good information.

  • @Wazgrel
    @Wazgrel 7 років тому

    I prefer to use straps on underhand triceps extensions. I've got no shame, I know. But at least it gets the job done and I focus on the actual exercise, rather than worrying about the grip all the time.

  • @carlospina3875
    @carlospina3875 7 років тому +1

    Hey Scott, just discovered your channel and I wanted to thank you for the extremely informative videos. The proper form videos you put up are very clear and direct and a great help. Thanks a lot!

  • @quocvinh3093
    @quocvinh3093 7 років тому +1

    You should make a video demonstrating how to use all the machine in the gym

    • @ScottHermanFitness
      @ScottHermanFitness  7 років тому

      i do! search my HOW TO vids!

    • @quocvinh3093
      @quocvinh3093 7 років тому

      ScottHermanFitness i searched for your pec fly machine tutorial but found no result

  • @guarivera1981
    @guarivera1981 7 років тому

    Never heard you could do another grip on pushdown. Great video.

  • @ReubenKisten27
    @ReubenKisten27 7 років тому +1

    Excellent and informative video as always Scott . Thanks

  • @talbotstearns6990
    @talbotstearns6990 7 років тому

    Super helpful Scott! Thanks

  • @dennisf2092
    @dennisf2092 7 років тому

    Hey Scott, I'm doing sports for almost my entire life, but since I started to take a closer look on your videos I defently can feel and see a change!!! Thanks for that:)

  • @joshuaduran8196
    @joshuaduran8196 7 років тому

    Wow nice Video Scott! I'm going to refer to this video when I go to the gym when I do triceps. Thank you and keep up the good work! 👍

  • @socloseagain4298
    @socloseagain4298 2 роки тому +1

    With the underhand grip I can't lift as heavy as the overhand one, why is that?

  • @aryanm7831
    @aryanm7831 6 років тому

    You should mention before starting that you're a BSN athlete! It will sound so cool man!

  • @nnnmmmable
    @nnnmmmable 7 років тому

    I use both underhand and overhand for biceps, I always used just overhand for triceps I didn't know you could use underhand, I'm going to start doing it.

  • @SaintDaisley
    @SaintDaisley 7 років тому +2

    *LMAO*
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    @GurdeepSingh-jm5qg 7 років тому +18

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    • @ScottHermanFitness
      @ScottHermanFitness  7 років тому +42

      Sending love back! Did you know the first airplane was made in India? It went something like 120 feet and flew for 15 seconds :-D

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      @GurdeepSingh-jm5qg 7 років тому +1

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      @DrRuhe 7 років тому

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      @GurdeepSingh-jm5qg 7 років тому +1

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      @月下旬以来已日上午时 7 років тому

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  • @nimbugaming5811
    @nimbugaming5811 6 років тому

    The tricep also helps extending the hand behind the body

  • @DCJayhawk57
    @DCJayhawk57 7 років тому

    The long head of the triceps aides in shoulder extension as well; I think you're not quite correct saying that the triceps only extend the elbow. This is why overhead triceps exercises which pre-stretch the long head result in more long head growth; it's not just a deep stretch in general. Additionally, heavy movements (especially bench press) tend to target the lateral and medial head moreso than the long head which is what really creates a nice upper arm contour IMO. Look at powerlifters for example: they tend to have overdeveloped lateral and medial head compared to long head, and their arms typically aren't aesthetically pleasing.
    Personally, I have gotten much better tricep growth from heavily targeting the long head with overhead variations (cable or dumbbell extension) as well as lying DB extensions with a bit of shoulder extension at the bottom to get that extra stretch (rolling extensions). I think most isolation work should be geared towards targeting this head unless you're just genetically gifted in this area. Pullover variations will also target the long head to a degree in a more isometric fashion, which to me has helped with activation.
    However, the main premise of your video I agree with. Triceps pressdowns are mostly a lateral/medial head exercise so wrist position is irrelevant. I prefer to do them after I've already done an exercise to pre-exhaust the long head.

    • @ScottHermanFitness
      @ScottHermanFitness  7 років тому

      yeah the goal of the video was the triceps in relation to overhand vs underhand which is why I only talked about elbow extension as I was only addressing the wrist. Great info!

  • @mazenb2009
    @mazenb2009 2 роки тому

    Appreciate your honesty and valuable informations

  • @dylannnolan9872
    @dylannnolan9872 7 років тому

    your videos are always really helpful man thanks for everything you are doing man and keep it up

  • @buildmad3125
    @buildmad3125 7 років тому +1

    Watching a ScottHerman video while on the toilet is just something you do

  • @BMdeBMXboy
    @BMdeBMXboy 7 років тому +5

    theoretical, bringing your arm behind you (shoulder extension) would give you a better contraction, cause the tricep (long head) helps with shoulder extension.

    • @ScottHermanFitness
      @ScottHermanFitness  7 років тому +4

      +Bjakke well, muscles grow more with a deep stretch which is why overhead movements are best for long head. That deep stretch at the bottom of the movement

    • @BMdeBMXboy
      @BMdeBMXboy 7 років тому +1

      i completely agree with that. Just wanted to mention it cause you said it will just activate the rear delts ( which probably will activate to a large degree. ) but you'll also get a 'better' contraction cause like I said Triceps also help with shoulder extension. Anyway keep up the good vids bud!!!!

    • @petergriepink9218
      @petergriepink9218 6 років тому

      The long head is attached to the shoulder blade, so bringing the triceps behind would shorten the triceps longus and gets it into insufficiency (I think active). The longus is stretched in an overhead an more cross bridges can be made. The point is that a stretched arm (in the elbow) that is brought behind would involve triceps (longus) and deltioid posterior, so this would also be an excellent exercise for triceps longus but it would not be a full contraction of it.

  • @donniehutchens6700
    @donniehutchens6700 7 років тому

    I normally flip around to reverse grip once I have fatigued the triceps 1st..like you said you can't do as heavy a weight but it always seems to get them sore...so they gotta keep growing..keep pushing the kicka** videos Scott Herman..,💪💪

  • @rafaelhl6690
    @rafaelhl6690 7 років тому

    If I do underhand pushdowns my hands just slip like you said and I cant lift the weight, I need to reset my grip every 3-4 reps.

  • @iFunkMasterJ
    @iFunkMasterJ 7 років тому

    Wouldn't twisting the wrist at the bottom force more tension over time? I find twisting the wrist gives more of a burn sooner than not twisting ... if using a rope for a drop set, I'll do as many reps with twisting before going to non-twisting reps then dropping the weight.

  • @Ricardo-vk9zw
    @Ricardo-vk9zw 7 років тому

    Yo Scott nice video and right on time, I'm on my way to the gym..!

  • @DemiseBrawlStars
    @DemiseBrawlStars 7 років тому +1

    Love your videos man. Thanks for the tips

  • @ankit54gaurav
    @ankit54gaurav 7 років тому

    Thank you Scott! Surely gonna try this on my next arm day. Great videos, keep it up!

  • @neutralino1922
    @neutralino1922 7 років тому

    Thanks for all the information Scott you've really helped me improve my form. Keep it up man!

  • @DevidYaldo
    @DevidYaldo 7 років тому

    Overhand grip bulwark the lateral head of the triceps and underhand grip will work the medial head of the tricep.

  • @AstonishFTW
    @AstonishFTW 7 років тому +2

    No hate but why can't you do every video like this. This was a great video straight to the point and no other nonsense you don't need to hear

  • @knightveg
    @knightveg 7 років тому

    As always great video content and great advice, that you've added more information on top you're definitely getting better which is hard when you're at the top

  • @Wyoboy7220
    @Wyoboy7220 7 років тому

    Always great info thanks Scott

  • @freelandfitness
    @freelandfitness 7 років тому

    another great video Scott. thank you

  • @themarketgardener
    @themarketgardener 7 років тому

    Awesome vid as always

  • @phillipshirel4197
    @phillipshirel4197 7 років тому

    Another get video Scott keep up the good 😊 work bro🙂👍👍

  • @Yud_king
    @Yud_king 7 років тому +2

    great video man.u are best😉😉😉

  • @Tully3674
    @Tully3674 7 років тому

    Good stuff! This advice assured that I was doing triceps correctly (I had some doubts).

  • @joelhjert7547
    @joelhjert7547 7 років тому

    Good stuff as always!

  • @tom_cruz_24
    @tom_cruz_24 7 років тому

    Scott Herman gonna lowkey a marvel character that didn't make the cut 😭😂 he my dude tho 💯 one of the best on UA-cam

  • @paulrocco6333
    @paulrocco6333 7 років тому

    Great info, thanks Scott. I see I've been over training my triceps.

  • @fredrikrugby
    @fredrikrugby 7 років тому +1

    I'll try some of this later on!

  • @Monopolist91
    @Monopolist91 7 років тому

    awesome content as always

  • @ridhamkhinini4383
    @ridhamkhinini4383 7 років тому

    Scott can you please do a video about an upper body warmup routine ? Would rly appreciate it
    Awsome vid as always keep it up

  • @darrellbailey1971
    @darrellbailey1971 7 років тому +1

    Thanks Scott, enjoy your videos my brother 💪💪

  • @vic1028
    @vic1028 7 років тому

    You say its unecessary to bring your arms behind the hips but why do I get a better squeeze when I fully lock the elbow and then slowly move my arm behind me?

  • @neilostle9909
    @neilostle9909 7 років тому

    In another video of yours, you say that using a rope or v-bar (the palms facing inwards) on the pulldown will put emphasis on the lateral head of the tricep. But this video contradicts that.

  • @strapondestiny5285
    @strapondestiny5285 7 років тому +7

    Tricep pushdown the type of guy to do Scott.

  • @TheBigRagu77
    @TheBigRagu77 7 років тому

    Overhand imo seems to hit the outside head,
    Underhand seems to hit the inner head.
    Each variation allows me to target one of the heads more than the other based on experience.

  • @shaoluv
    @shaoluv 7 років тому

    1:23 the last overhand pulldown cable nose boop :d

  • @rahulradhakrishnan7779
    @rahulradhakrishnan7779 7 років тому +2

    Was looking forward to this video....Thanks Scott aka Vegeta hahahaa ready to take on Goku