Totally agree turn them up louder. I have seen the whole dynamic of speakers change once the volume is cranked up more. I can tell you that I have the thump 15s with 1000w or the model right before this and I run it through a Yamaha board they sound phenomenal. Even without the board the sound is clear and Powerful. I keep hearing people talking about these speakers clipping I keep mine at around 1 o clock and I tune it through the mixing board and I have done smaller night clubs to larger event halls without Subs and the truth of the matter is the sound fills the room and then some. So I can only imagine how this new generation sounds with 300 more watts. From Jazz to rock to Hip Hop to Latin I am super impressed by Mackie and I can honestly tell you they have more than enough power for not only small-to-medium venues but some larger venues definitely taking into consideration the acoustics of the actual venue and layout. If you have 2 to 400 people put them up high and I am sure even without Subs they will sound great but add a couple of Subs and you will have a great sound system. Take it to the next level like me and get a nice soundboard. Awesome speakers for the money and I have done many gigs with them with no hiccups. Sorry for any typos using voice text. What I can tell any new and upcoming DJ arrive early enough to set up your speakers tune the sound and turn it up loud enough so that you can actually position the speakers appropriately and don't be a goofball walk around the room all the way to the other side or the entrance and last but not least stand by the door or the furthest point out to make sure that the sound is reaching the back of the room at the strongest level. Remember the more people you have coming into the event especially when it's party time you more than likely will have to turn up that volume even more so once again if you get a chance when people are partying at the maximum occupancy or guest list put on a long enough song step away from the DJ setup and once again return to the back of the room to make sure the sound is there enough where everybody can feel it and hear it clearly. You may be turning the sound up too much actually when you don't even need it that's why I say go to the back of the room in the beginning and once the party is filled. People's bodies absorb sound and let me stress if you're on level ground with a big crowd put the speaker's up higher if you're fortunate enough to have a stage or an elevated platform you don't have to put them up as high. Make sure the sound can travel to the back of the room clearly. Last but not least the levels exactly where they are the whole show that is unless you start changing media files with different levels meaning some of older songs that may not have been recorded with today's technology you have to adjust the volume accordingly. Hats off to Mackie and guys I truly don't think you need to turn these speakers to the point where they clip.
RCF makes very powerful speakers, I am sure if you increase the volume, RCF will continue to push good clean sound. The Mackie Thump has come a long way, the newest offerings are really loud, punchy and can handle most small parties and events, such as house parties and banquet rooms. For Grand Ballrooms, you may need to add a sub on the Mackie side, yet RCF can handle a Grand Ballroom, easily. Now here I go with my humble opinion. RCF is a much better speaker but, it's also very pricey but was made to handle more. For the price, I would go with Mackie Thump, only because it's not heavy, it's very compact, can handle most parties and events without needing a subwoofer bass bottom and it's my speaker of choice for almost all small events. It also looks more professional. If you have the money, buy RCF, but if you are on a tight budget, buy the Mackie Thump. Just be careful and don't "overload" or force your Thump - they are known to fail if you constantly blast them for long periods of time. You don't have to max the volume at every party.
The main difference between the two is the RCF will stay clear and reliable at high volumes while the Thumps will clip early and who knows how many gigs can they survive.
The question is, How many gigs will RCF survive and throw the cabinet to the trash because you`ll not be able to find another new module amplifier. If that amplifier fails, it`s a pain in the ass
@@kavajamusic5411 Why would you not able to find another module? To answer your question, the RCF should survive many gigs until you're ready to upgrade to another (better) RCF speakers. This is from a personal and real experience assisting a dj friend doing 60+ gigs a year using RCFs.
You really can't compare a cheap brand to a high end brand. The RCF is a much better speaker all day long. Better components In the box and made to last.
True to a point.. but, unless we show where they compare well and where they don't match up, those DJs that can't go hear them will never be able to witness the difference in quality.
@@discjockeynews I'm a DJ of nearly 40 years. It all depends what you're using. If your using a cheap sound board it will sound crappy. It's like putting a Mackie mixer next to an Allen & Heath mixer. Huge difference in sound. You cannot say one is better than the other or how heavy it is or the price range. Quality over quantity. I've been around PA audio my entire life. Before you make your theory use better mixing boards in order to achieve quality sounds. Italian vs. China made speakers. Really?? Come on bro.
I would go with the Mackies for the bluetooth, which has great range compared to other BT speakers. For better low end I would simply add an Alto TS312 sub. Now the Mackies aren't trying to cover everything and the bottom end will sound really strong.
Demo Both Speakers in Audio shop, with 3 different genre of music, and the Mackie Thump was tame in comparison to the RCf so much so, I purchase a set of RCF ART 12 and have not regretted. the true test will be at a gig this weekend but I'm confident they be ok even without subs.
They both are sufficient DJ speakers. I'd get the one that cost less. This is more of a bang per buck comparison in my opinion. I don't think there's a client on the planet that would actually judge you negatively one way or the other. Thanks for the post any way. One love.
Mackies are ok but there not in the same league as RCF, as far as I know the thumps are made in China and RCF in Italy, the quality of components is way better in the RCF, and when pushing the 712mk4 against the thumps the RCF will blow them away in db and clearness of sound, the mackie will clip way before the RCF.
I have a Mackie thump 15A and I wanna sell it to buy an RCF ART-715A MK4. Shall I go for it? Or just keep the mackie. I have 1 mackie and I will buy 1 RCF. It is really expensive! Will the rcf produce more bass at really high volumes? What about sound quality? The mackie sounds a bit distorted at high volumes. Will I have such a problem with the rcf???
The loudness is not the total comparison, the sound quality is more important. You can full max the volume to sound loud enough but the quality difference will put the two on comparison which is better clean and crisp even it's max out volume. One think I don't like on RCF is its base, it sound so horrible when max out and it's not cheap
We settled on a load of RCF 7 series but they are annoyingly basic for some situations, like no bass hpf, no 2 channel mixer, no eq apart from the annoying button that you have to press every time just to see if it's in or out. (A slide switch would be better). No overload or even a frikkin power led on the front!!!!
The mackie has a bit more of a boost around between 800 and 2k which isn’t that pleasant (to me) and sounds a bit like it’s farting out. The RCF is cleaner
Go by frequency response. Also, anything made in Italy is going to be miles ahead of the other so-called competitors. It’s not science, it’s just a fact. The other fact is that you need a good $1k + mixer and hopefully with hpf and lpf.
When I was young (long time ago) a good disco set up was around 200 watt RMS. It was loud. Now we have these plastic boxes that push out 1000 watts and the DJ has at least two of them yet its not much louder in real terms. The last RCF's I heard pushed really loud were just producing a lot of noise. Not much quality. The rhythm and all the subtleties of the music was just lost in the relentless noise. Probably just cuz I'm old and was sober.
the mackie is clearly louder (looking at Db meter) but the rcf is more balanced meaning that the highs are clearer. The mackie however has more punchy bass
Have you try these speakers? 3 db is a lot of extra sound pressure. Eg: If you use a pair of speakers and double the volume, you would get + 6 db. I have try both of these speakers in a band situation and RCF kills it.
@@danielzechim5552 Perceptions of Increases in Decibel Level Imperceptible Change 1dB Barely Perceptible Change 3dB Clearly Noticeable Change 5dB About Twice as Loud 10dB About Four Times as Loud 20dB I didn't make this up. This is what science says.
Erase this video, it is useless. I only was expecting to hear (and see dB) which one is louder at "unity", 'cause everybody already knows RCF has better components and sound quality.
Totally agree turn them up louder. I have seen the whole dynamic of speakers change once the volume is cranked up more. I can tell you that I have the thump 15s with 1000w or the model right before this and I run it through a Yamaha board they sound phenomenal. Even without the board the sound is clear and Powerful. I keep hearing people talking about these speakers clipping I keep mine at around 1 o clock and I tune it through the mixing board and I have done smaller night clubs to larger event halls without Subs and the truth of the matter is the sound fills the room and then some. So I can only imagine how this new generation sounds with 300 more watts. From Jazz to rock to Hip Hop to Latin I am super impressed by Mackie and I can honestly tell you they have more than enough power for not only small-to-medium venues but some larger venues definitely taking into consideration the acoustics of the actual venue and layout. If you have 2 to 400 people put them up high and I am sure even without Subs they will sound great but add a couple of Subs and you will have a great sound system. Take it to the next level like me and get a nice soundboard. Awesome speakers for the money and I have done many gigs with them with no hiccups. Sorry for any typos using voice text. What I can tell any new and upcoming DJ arrive early enough to set up your speakers tune the sound and turn it up loud enough so that you can actually position the speakers appropriately and don't be a goofball walk around the room all the way to the other side or the entrance and last but not least stand by the door or the furthest point out to make sure that the sound is reaching the back of the room at the strongest level. Remember the more people you have coming into the event especially when it's party time you more than likely will have to turn up that volume even more so once again if you get a chance when people are partying at the maximum occupancy or guest list put on a long enough song step away from the DJ setup and once again return to the back of the room to make sure the sound is there enough where everybody can feel it and hear it clearly. You may be turning the sound up too much actually when you don't even need it that's why I say go to the back of the room in the beginning and once the party is filled. People's bodies absorb sound and let me stress if you're on level ground with a big crowd put the speaker's up higher if you're fortunate enough to have a stage or an elevated platform you don't have to put them up as high. Make sure the sound can travel to the back of the room clearly. Last but not least the levels exactly where they are the whole show that is unless you start changing media files with different levels meaning some of older songs that may not have been recorded with today's technology you have to adjust the volume accordingly. Hats off to Mackie and guys I truly don't think you need to turn these speakers to the point where they clip.
RCF makes very powerful speakers, I am sure if you increase the volume, RCF will continue to push good clean sound. The Mackie Thump has come a long way, the newest offerings are really loud, punchy and can handle most small parties and events, such as house parties and banquet rooms. For Grand Ballrooms, you may need to add a sub on the Mackie side, yet RCF can handle a Grand Ballroom, easily. Now here I go with my humble opinion. RCF is a much better speaker but, it's also very pricey but was made to handle more. For the price, I would go with Mackie Thump, only because it's not heavy, it's very compact, can handle most parties and events without needing a subwoofer bass bottom and it's my speaker of choice for almost all small events. It also looks more professional. If you have the money, buy RCF, but if you are on a tight budget, buy the Mackie Thump. Just be careful and don't "overload" or force your Thump - they are known to fail if you constantly blast them for long periods of time. You don't have to max the volume at every party.
I'm a DJ for nearly 40 years. You pay for quality sound not the weight. It's always quality over quantity and will pay you back many many times.
I heard both of them at high volume and I'm very impressed with the new Mackie. I'm ordering a set.
Based on this video???????? hahahaha!!!! (omfg)
Heard the mackie thump 212xt and 215. So disapointed with the loudness and bass
mackie components are sub standard good luck with your crappy internals , they are loud but thats about it , I wouldnt touch them.
RCF no doubt ! ... The sound is more balanced, and it still sounds really clear when you crank the volume up. Thanks for the video John !
The main difference between the two is the RCF will stay clear and reliable at high volumes while the Thumps will clip early and who knows how many gigs can they survive.
The question is, How many gigs will RCF survive and throw the cabinet to the trash because you`ll not be able to find another new module amplifier.
If that amplifier fails, it`s a pain in the ass
@@kavajamusic5411 Why would you not able to find another module? To answer your question, the RCF should survive many gigs until you're ready to upgrade to another (better) RCF speakers. This is from a personal and real experience assisting a dj friend doing 60+ gigs a year using RCFs.
@@tgasstt247 I`m into RCF now. LOL. Now i know what RCF means.
@@kavajamusic5411 Cool man!
RCF is the best!!
You really can't compare a cheap brand to a high end brand.
The RCF is a much better speaker all day long. Better components
In the box and made to last.
True to a point.. but, unless we show where they compare well and where they don't match up, those DJs that can't go hear them will never be able to witness the difference in quality.
indeed. but this test shows us that a cheap brand can get really close to the high end brand. so, it's about budget then
Paul Archer Brand is not always right! RCF and EVs are not that good compared to what they claim. Its all about branding!
Paul Archer most people think because something cost more it uses better components but as I’ve leaned in audio that’s not always the case
@@discjockeynews I'm a DJ of nearly 40 years. It all depends what you're using. If your using a cheap sound board it will sound crappy. It's like putting a Mackie mixer next to an Allen & Heath mixer. Huge difference in sound. You cannot say one is better than the other or how heavy it is or the price range. Quality over quantity. I've been around PA audio my entire life. Before you make your theory use better mixing boards in order to achieve quality sounds. Italian vs. China made speakers. Really?? Come on bro.
I'm going to buy Mackie because of your video. Also because I 've done my research , thanks .
Buy the Mackie Srm650 1600W. I had them before super loud.
Seems to me the mic is directly in front of the RCF and to the left of the Mackie.Wouldn't this will cause a somewhat duller sound from the Mackie?
I noticed that.
RCF all the way.
I would go with the Mackies for the bluetooth, which has great range compared to other BT speakers. For better low end I would simply add an Alto TS312 sub. Now the Mackies aren't trying to cover everything and the bottom end will sound really strong.
Y love Mackie thump y have 2 15 A are the best price and quality 🥳🥳♒💥
Rcf if you turn them up that's when u till who's good a high volume
True. RCF goes way louder
Demo Both Speakers in Audio shop, with 3 different genre of music, and the Mackie Thump was tame in comparison to the RCf so much so, I purchase a set of RCF ART 12 and have not regretted. the true test will be at a gig this weekend but I'm confident they be ok even without subs.
How did you get on with Rcf art 712a? Do they hold up?
@@ninjatzuuninjazuu8776 They are still the best 12" loudspeakers I ever owned,not had any issues, loads of compliments when I'm out gigging.
Mackie are beginner dj speakers. Rcf blow these out by far and they will last you many years
They both are sufficient DJ speakers. I'd get the one that cost less. This is more of a bang per buck comparison in my opinion. I don't think there's a client on the planet that would actually judge you negatively one way or the other. Thanks for the post any way. One love.
I liked the mid range better on Mackies. More presence, more equilibrated
Mackies are ok but there not in the same league as RCF, as far as I know the thumps are made in China and RCF in Italy, the quality of components is way better in the RCF, and when pushing the 712mk4 against the thumps the RCF will blow them away in db and clearness of sound, the mackie will clip way before the RCF.
In this case both speakers are the beast ,it depends on the mixing anyway
I have a Mackie thump 15A and I wanna sell it to buy an RCF ART-715A MK4. Shall I go for it? Or just keep the mackie. I have 1 mackie and I will buy 1 RCF. It is really expensive! Will the rcf produce more bass at really high volumes? What about sound quality? The mackie sounds a bit distorted at high volumes. Will I have such a problem with the rcf???
friends, so what do you think is better and why. RCF712 mk4 vs ELX200-12p?
Id probably go for the mackies due to the features it has although if the RCF had the same features I would choose that over the mackies.
You're killing me John. I really wanted to hear the CVE's.
Doh... editing too many at the same time.. thanks for the catch!
The original mackie srm-450 became very popular because they had rcf drivers. Loud technologies own rcf at one time.
The loudness is not the total comparison, the sound quality is more important. You can full max the volume to sound loud enough but the quality difference will put the two on comparison which is better clean and crisp even it's max out volume. One think I don't like on RCF is its base, it sound so horrible when max out and it's not cheap
Great review but not the new RCF MK4 model.
We settled on a load of RCF 7 series but they are annoyingly basic for some situations, like no bass hpf, no 2 channel mixer, no eq apart from the annoying button that you have to press every time just to see if it's in or out. (A slide switch would be better).
No overload or even a frikkin power led on the front!!!!
Very hard to tell over UA-cam, but the Mackie did sound cleaner!
The mackie has a bit more of a boost around between 800 and 2k which isn’t that pleasant (to me) and sounds a bit like it’s farting out.
The RCF is cleaner
I like both.
how tha hell should we compare over youtube? ill suggest you buy the non boost mackies, they are waay cheaper or the new alto ts3
RCF way better
Ive tried both at volume rcf alot better,mackies not good when turned up
Go by frequency response. Also, anything made in Italy is going to be miles ahead of the other so-called competitors. It’s not science, it’s just a fact. The other fact is that you need a good $1k + mixer and hopefully with hpf and lpf.
I have the Mackie 12" it more much brilliant just running flat.
Maybe it's just me (or your choice of audio tracks), but I was not impressed by either of them.
PS Your title of the video is wrong.
Mackie is a beast
When I was young (long time ago) a good disco set up was around 200 watt RMS. It was loud. Now we have these plastic boxes that push out 1000 watts and the DJ has at least two of them yet its not much louder in real terms. The last RCF's I heard pushed really loud were just producing a lot of noise. Not much quality. The rhythm and all the subtleties of the music was just lost in the relentless noise. Probably just cuz I'm old and was sober.
On a budget get Mackie you have extra cash want louder cleaner speaker and will last longer get rcf
mackie sounded to sharp my opinion
Compare the prices of each speaker
.. lol rcf is a trusted brand and its loud clear... mackie is too much bass ... eliminate the mids and his...
Mackie Thump is the best
Rcf have ugly design but the sound are superb. Wish they would redesign it
Agreed
They did it, rcf 915 and rcf 715 mk5
the mackie is clearly louder (looking at Db meter) but the rcf is more balanced meaning that the highs are clearer. The mackie however has more punchy bass
The RCF's sound like they would be better for DJing. With the better mids, the Mackies sound like they would be better for running a band.
Noooo! RCF can handle more SPL... Thats all you need when talking about bands, trust me
@@danielzechim5552 A 3db difference is considered "barely perceptible". I'll take better mids all day when it comes to running a band.
Have you try these speakers? 3 db is a lot of extra sound pressure. Eg: If you use a pair of speakers and double the volume, you would get + 6 db. I have try both of these speakers in a band situation and RCF kills it.
@@danielzechim5552 Perceptions of Increases in Decibel Level
Imperceptible Change 1dB
Barely Perceptible Change 3dB
Clearly Noticeable Change 5dB
About Twice as Loud 10dB
About Four Times as Loud 20dB I didn't make this up. This is what science says.
@@danielzechim5552 Also, most bands are running less than 115-120db. Good luck running a band at 129.
Erase this video, it is useless. I only was expecting to hear (and see dB) which one is louder at "unity", 'cause everybody already knows RCF has better components and sound quality.
Mackiexinfinity
Mackie .
no u
Mackie ottimo prodotto
I Have two mackie sr 1530 wont trade this for nothing MADE IN USA.......😜👍🏻
Rcf better
there is nothing to compare rcf better ira but maqe has blutufa
Driver of mackie is ordinary unlike the rcf is premium driver
the Mackie look even better, never like the way rcf speaker looks.
go fu self.
Do not buy mackie ……
Useless review. You cannot shootout speakers based on this crappy recording, done with.... what?
Mackie
Cheapskates! I bet all you Mackie lovers peel your oranges in you pockets!
Mackie