That first round in particular was a textbook example of what I would expect 5th Gen/F-35 doctrine to look like in real life. Very much looking forward to seeing what you come up with for the DAS, Cap. Good matches. Really shows why stealth is worth the added complexity, smaller loadouts, etc.
Brilliant strategy from the gates with the F-35's. I think the second run was probably the best for the Eurofighter, it was like a rearguard action in a tactical retreat. If you were really in a Eurofighter up against 5th generation aircraft, that's exactly how you should do business, so hats off to Poosh and the boys for demonstrating damn fine tactics!! The highlights for me though were both in the third round, first when Simba dove, then inverted and dove again over a mountain range to evade a meteor!! Then of course was Matrix for scoring an F-35 kill, as I recall the only one in the match!! Great flying as always Grim Reapers!!
I'm British. I gotta say the F-35 is my favourite aircraft probably of all-time (sorry Viper). The F-35 is designed to make every other aircraft obsolete. The leap of tech is astounding. I love the Eurofighter as a 4th Gen it really is the best. The Eurofighter has the acceleration and poise of the F-16 with the loadout of the F-15, wonderful combo. The F-35 is something really special IMO, that many people are sleeping on. The reason for all the negative press is because competitors are sh*t-scared of it. The F-35 is the little, more capable sister of the F-22 that costs a lost less. I know the F-35 is like 15% British 5% Other and 80% American. So the girl has some British blood in her, being the UK is the only Level 1 partner alongside USA. Fact is when the F-35 went to Red Flag it performed a 20:1 kill ration more than any other aircraft. Also the F-35 maintains a higher mission capable rate. The F-35 is a do's it all aircraft which I know is always worrying (eggs in one basket), however the F-35 has so much put into it and looking at how it is performing so far I have very high hopes. I know a few have crashed, tho if you look at every other aircraft in first years of operating, the F-35 has crashed way less than those. Some reading about the F-35: theaviationgeekclub.com/1-f-35a-shot-aggressors-red-flag-17-01/ theaviationist.com/2017/02/28/red-flag-confirmed-f-35-dominance-with-a-201-kill-ratio-u-s-air-force-says/
I agree with everything said, but I think the thing that people sleep on the most when it comes to the f35 is its looks! Call me crazy, but I think she's an absolute beauty, stuby design and all.
@@mashuno3203 No, you're absolutely correct. She is a looker. She is sleek and sexy. It bothers me that so many aviation enthusiasts are bought in by all the bull negative propaganda. Aircraft go through leaps and changes. War does change and for some reason everyone thinks they know better than the actual industry that makes these things.
Those F-35s are already OP and they're still greatly gimped by not having the helmet display that lets the pilot see through the plane. The real things must be truly terrifying to face.
@@tylerdurden4006 What the fuck do you mean "can't fight or fly?" The F-35 has been flying combat missions routinely for years and has been dominating Red Flag and other exercises since the moment it entered service. It's even had fewer crashes per flight hour than any US combat aircraft except the F-22, not a single one of which has so far been fatal. Readiness rates are generally lower than is desired, but this is mostly a result of administrative problems within the program, especially the widely-detested resupply subcontracting system, rather than being any fault of the plane. The only reason for the impression of it not being capable is bad reporting about early intentionally-gimped testing models rather than the performance of the mature aircraft. Fat Amy is a beast of a fighter and it's really no wonder that basically every country that has the option to buy her has chosen to do so.
@@tylerdurden4006who the fuck told you they can't fight or fly? They win almost every mock battle against F-16 and F/A-18's and only lose to the F-22. Don't type if you don't know what you're talking about, idiot.
Hey Cap, i had an idea to test the F35 with in guns only BFM against a rate fighter like the F16; essentially you merge at ridiculously high speed and pull vertical and keep the speed high enough to do super high boom n zoom so if he tries chasing at same speed he can't turn hard enough and if it stays slow you make passing shots. Great content as always
Fun, but I do love the Eurofighter. I'm sure you've done all of these videos in solo fashion, but I wonder if it would be entertaining to do group BVR of Eurofighter vs. US 4th-gen in a series of battles (F-15/F-16/F-18). Perhaps a new variable would be testing all of these matchups vs. AIM-260?
A good mathematical formula derived from first principles is always elegant. . You can tell when something is 'right' when it has such elegance. The Typhoon is always so elegant in the air.
@@HiIeric117how does it feel that no one ever took you seriously. That your bait was that pathetic after 10 months. When you read this comment, I hope you've had time to reflect on how much of a clown you are 😂 Take care ✌️🕊️
The Typhoon is a beautiful and manuvuerable fighter. I hope when and if the Tempest is built it as pretty and manuvuerable, and those Meteors are just crazy good!! As far as "Fat Amy" is concerned, I know you guys are flying the B model, but I think the US Navy needs a D version, with the big folding wing of the C and the cannon of the Alpha. They need to use the concept of the Meteor AAM and build it into an Anti Radation Missile. That loitering capability would be king in waiting for a SAM system to transmit.
Add to the fact that in the Typhoon what are your opening tactics? Is it you are up against stealth or that there’s nothing there? What do you do? How can you patrol in a way that is safe?
Cannot wait to see the tempest 6th gen fighter, or the type 83 destroyer for which apparently they have 8 planned, finally it’s not so bad number! Not great but not bad either!
@@joshuasenior4370 I think they’re going middle of the road, not going into double digits in fear of a repeat of the type 45’s planned numbers v actual result. plus I think it’ll be easier to get the money together/convince whoever approves the money for 8 (maybe nine if they can weasel in enough) ships rather than going for 12.
not gonna be edgy like some people asking but the RWR is kinda important for locating the f35s here so would it be possible to do a rematch once it's working. I think with RWR, IRST and Asraams the eurofighter can win
The actual F-35 has a LPI radar that minimizes RWR returns, so yes it would work in DCS, but if the F-35 was fully modeled, it would be even more skewed in its favor. EDIT: The lack of RWR makes it MORE realistic rather than less
I'm looking into it and it's not that the f35s radar wouldn't give off a warning, it just won't give off a warning or a proper warning to older RWRs. Comparing DASS to other RWR systems out there it's quite unlikely it couldn't detect the F35s Radar. Unless we know exact figures we can't work it out and only assume. Considering the fact BAE had their part in developing the RWR for the f35 too it's likely the system on the eurofighter is similar to some degree assuming that the f35 would be able to counter their own radar (you'd imagine that'd be a priority)@@Utubesuperstar
F-35 doesn’t even need to use its radar - DAS can detect aircraft at significant ranges and at all aspects. Full capability, the F-35 is an easy win. But IRL F-35s rarely fight with their full capabilities as it’s more useful to train with the stealth nerfed with reflectors.
interesting to note there is a specific version of the AIM-9x that is designed for the F-35 and it is stealthy, having more of a square angle shape compared to the normal round shape of AAMs. the wing mounted pylon is also stealthy.
@@jonathanpfeffer3716 its the aim-9x Block II plus "Until another version of the AIM-9X is developed that will fit inside the F-35's enclosed weapons bay, the AIM-9X Block II-plus has stealthy coatings and structures to help reduce the missile's radar cross-section when the F-35 carries these missiles externally."
@@swayzefan3600 I know all that lol but I’m like a turbo nerd that looks through DOD releases and shit, this fact was one I’ve seen like literally once, so I’m surprised to see it mentioned by someone at all, much less in a setting like this.
@@jonathanpfeffer3716 just so everyone knows i first heard of it on a "the drive" article- im not pulling a warthunder forum😅. if you google "aim-9x block 2 plus stealth" then you'll see a few articles with different sources. i could have sworn i've seen a picture of one mounted on an F-35 with the unique shape but im having trouble finding it- theres not a ton of info in the articles but interesting none the less.
Seems like the F35 & other stealth fighters would greatly benefit from jettisonable wing pylons, so they can go full stealth after using their external ordanance. (I wonder if the idea was ever researched?) Although in real life it probably wouldn't be so useful (even if it was possible), as missiles are too expensive to send fighters out with large loadouts anyway.
In these 5th va 4th generation fights Cap always says something like "The fifth generation dominates" well, in 4th vs 3rd the 4th generation dominates, in 3rd vs 2nd the 3rd generation dominates. Generational gaps actually mean something, Cap.
In reality Typhoon has a 15,000ft celling advantage over Fat Ami and this not seeing it lark is nonsense - even CAPTOR-M is capable of detecting F-35B at considerable distances. In good conditions ISRT will detect F-35B at about 60 miles passively. So Typhoon could fly in at 65,000 feet giving its missiles much, much longer legs, fire, turn and run before F-35B is in range.
I remember them talking about the Euro fighter when I was young around the same time there was a royal navy presentation of the then to be built HMS ocean in school
Great video. Would be interesting to see how this would work if the F-35 had only AMRAAMs instead of Meteors since they aren’t integrated yet. How much of a difference would this make, if any?
Even worse, The British didn't buy AIM-120D because there were expecting Meteor to be available by now. British F-35Bs are flying around with a mixture of old stock AIM-120B and AIM-120C. Both of which have a PKI below ASRAAM at under 30 clicks - let alone Meteor at extended ranges.
@@grimreapers yeah, totally appreciate that it's going to be difficult. I'm trying to find the specific article I read, but basically all/most European Typhoons will be fitted with the ECRS RADAR, but the RAF ones have another package on top of that. It's supposed to be amazing and I wonder if it'll fit in the F-35 in future too.
Just saying : The F-35's RCS maybe around 0.002m2, but that's not 360° around the jet, past the F-35's 25-30° frontal it's RSC goes up to around 2.5m2, the 0.002m2 is between it's 10-25° frontal. Ie you can see the F-35 from a longer range more often, not just 19 miles always at all angles. The Typhoons DASS is a lot more capable then what you claimed in game. The IRST Pirate is capable of sending it's information to the Captor M Radar, meaning when the IRST has found a target the Captor M can be used to forces on a certain point with pushing more power to see said target. The Typhoon in general is a lot better in real life, then what you showed in the game, "Stealth" doesn't mean it's better or that it's impossible to beat. Plus i believe the F-35 isn't getting the Meteor till 2027 now, so it's still using the older less capable AIM-120's, not to mention the Typhoons are getting new Radar Systems, the UK Typhoons will be Getting the Captor E2 the most capable Captor version out of the 3 types, in I believe 2030 or sooner, plus the APG-81 and new APG-85 maybe the best now, but it's stated that the Captor E2 will give the APG-85 a run for its money, so the Typhoon 4.5 gen isn't out of the fight yet vs 5th gen's. The Typhoon is just getting better. There is a reason why the Typhoon is classed as the most deadliest/advanced Swing-Roll Fighter. I know you guys get a lot of your information from Wikipedia, so maybe that's why you ended up with the result you did.
F-35B will not have Meteor until AT LEAST 2036 - not only is the short fin Meteor project running late, F-35B will require the block 4 software update - if the UK can afford it when it arrives. British F-35Bs are currently carrying old stocks of AIM-120B and AIM-120C as we didn't buy AIM-120D. Oh and by the way, RAF pilots have been tracking F-35B at up to 90 miles (depending on aspect) with Tranche 3 onwards aircraft - UK F-35Bs do not fly with Luneburg lenses. Stealth is history - modern RADAR data processing has already defeated it. Tranche 3+ Typhoon CAN guide Meteor on IRST data alone of course at some point the Meteor will have to take over with on-board RADAR. I wish we would develop an IR guided Meteor.
The Eurofighter does have an internal cannon, doesn't it? If the F-35B doesn't have a cannon built in the Eurofighter can get into knife-fighting range and turn it into Swiss cheese
Ah yes, love these matches where the Lightning has all of its systems turned off. Look forward to your updates. Subsonic performance is easy for F-35s, even Bs.
I'm amused by all the comments suggesting you gimp the (5th Gen) F-35 to negate/mitigate its advantages and maximize 4th Gen advantages. What the actual f***?!? Seriously, obtuse suggestions.
I just think the F-35 is ugly. It's abilities are astounding, but it's ugly. Not A-7 or A-10 "So ugly it's cool" but it just looks pudgy. When the F-22 was first unveiled, I remember reading a quote from someone in Air & Space who said that it looked like "a Tomcat with a water retention problem." Those curved surfaces serve a definite purpose, but they don't look sleek or like a weapon. It looks like they were made to be easy to swallow. Again, both amazing aircraft, but the aesthetics just aren't there for me. Eurofighter, however, looks like you could put it on the end of a spear and really mess someone up.
@@azoriusmage Yeah, he asked which one we liked more, I said that one looked better than the other. You must have missed all of the praise for the F-35 and F-22 respective performance and abilities. Sorry.
"Watch me go above their sensors... BOOM!" HAHAHAAHHA And yet people keep insisting that the F-35 is a useless system and not worth the price... Yet when it can utterly sweep the sky when used in the right way, is it REALLY? Those Typhoons didn't stand a friggin chance when the 35's are employed intelligently.
Hilarious how the f 35's are only good on paper and in digital simulation but has a billion in losses from crashes alone without ever being in real combat (fake bombing runs covered by real fighters is not real combat) 😂😂
I dont know about availability rates for the eurofighter but the F35 has SERIOUS maintenance issues where almost half the fleet is grounded and many of the early airframes have dramatically reduced service lives due to design flaws. We will start seeing some those F35s being retired within the next couple of years just because they've used up their gimped airframe life.
Gen 1 is original jets, eg ME262, Meteor. Gen 2 is next, think F-86, F-100, F-104, Mig-15, Mig-21. Gen 3 is things like F-4, Mig-23, Mirage 3 Gen 4 is F-14, F-15, Mig-29, SU-27. Gen 5 is tipified by stealth and massive sensor capability, things like F-22, F-35. Gen 4.5 are jets that are basically gen 4 airframes with some low detectability features to minimise RCS, and sensors close to what gen 5 has. Aircraft in this kind of gen are F/A-18 Super Hornets, Late gen SU-27 and similar versions, Eurofighter, Rafale. SU-57 is Arguably a Gen 4.5++, super maneuverable and slightly stealthy with some (claimed) very potent sensors.
That first round in particular was a textbook example of what I would expect 5th Gen/F-35 doctrine to look like in real life.
Very much looking forward to seeing what you come up with for the DAS, Cap. Good matches. Really shows why stealth is worth the added complexity, smaller loadouts, etc.
Thanks Gab!
Brilliant strategy from the gates with the F-35's. I think the second run was probably the best for the Eurofighter, it was like a rearguard action in a tactical retreat. If you were really in a Eurofighter up against 5th generation aircraft, that's exactly how you should do business, so hats off to Poosh and the boys for demonstrating damn fine tactics!! The highlights for me though were both in the third round, first when Simba dove, then inverted and dove again over a mountain range to evade a meteor!! Then of course was Matrix for scoring an F-35 kill, as I recall the only one in the match!! Great flying as always Grim Reapers!!
What could possibly be better than this? 60 minutes of this of course! We simply must get more... please :) and thank you!
YT is currently punishing anything above 30 mins, so having to cut 60% of the footage out just to stand the slightest chance in the YT algorithm.
I'm British. I gotta say the F-35 is my favourite aircraft probably of all-time (sorry Viper). The F-35 is designed to make every other aircraft obsolete. The leap of tech is astounding. I love the Eurofighter as a 4th Gen it really is the best. The Eurofighter has the acceleration and poise of the F-16 with the loadout of the F-15, wonderful combo. The F-35 is something really special IMO, that many people are sleeping on. The reason for all the negative press is because competitors are sh*t-scared of it. The F-35 is the little, more capable sister of the F-22 that costs a lost less.
I know the F-35 is like 15% British 5% Other and 80% American. So the girl has some British blood in her, being the UK is the only Level 1 partner alongside USA. Fact is when the F-35 went to Red Flag it performed a 20:1 kill ration more than any other aircraft. Also the F-35 maintains a higher mission capable rate. The F-35 is a do's it all aircraft which I know is always worrying (eggs in one basket), however the F-35 has so much put into it and looking at how it is performing so far I have very high hopes. I know a few have crashed, tho if you look at every other aircraft in first years of operating, the F-35 has crashed way less than those.
Some reading about the F-35:
theaviationgeekclub.com/1-f-35a-shot-aggressors-red-flag-17-01/
theaviationist.com/2017/02/28/red-flag-confirmed-f-35-dominance-with-a-201-kill-ratio-u-s-air-force-says/
I agree with everything said, but I think the thing that people sleep on the most when it comes to the f35 is its looks! Call me crazy, but I think she's an absolute beauty, stuby design and all.
@@mashuno3203 No, you're absolutely correct. She is a looker. She is sleek and sexy. It bothers me that so many aviation enthusiasts are bought in by all the bull negative propaganda. Aircraft go through leaps and changes. War does change and for some reason everyone thinks they know better than the actual industry that makes these things.
The F-35B has even more british blood in her. Closer to 30% since the lift system is Rolls-Royce.
Those F-35s are already OP and they're still greatly gimped by not having the helmet display that lets the pilot see through the plane. The real things must be truly terrifying to face.
wait 2 years and F35s start showing up in warthunder and get picked off by biplanes because memes.
Luckily you're standing at the Pearly Gates before you have a chance to feel any fear.
Ummm what? The fighters that can't fight or fly? Lmfao okay 👍
@@tylerdurden4006 What the fuck do you mean "can't fight or fly?" The F-35 has been flying combat missions routinely for years and has been dominating Red Flag and other exercises since the moment it entered service. It's even had fewer crashes per flight hour than any US combat aircraft except the F-22, not a single one of which has so far been fatal. Readiness rates are generally lower than is desired, but this is mostly a result of administrative problems within the program, especially the widely-detested resupply subcontracting system, rather than being any fault of the plane. The only reason for the impression of it not being capable is bad reporting about early intentionally-gimped testing models rather than the performance of the mature aircraft.
Fat Amy is a beast of a fighter and it's really no wonder that basically every country that has the option to buy her has chosen to do so.
@@tylerdurden4006who the fuck told you they can't fight or fly?
They win almost every mock battle against F-16 and F/A-18's and only lose to the F-22.
Don't type if you don't know what you're talking about, idiot.
Hey Cap, i had an idea to test the F35 with in guns only BFM against a rate fighter like the F16; essentially you merge at ridiculously high speed and pull vertical and keep the speed high enough to do super high boom n zoom so if he tries chasing at same speed he can't turn hard enough and if it stays slow you make passing shots. Great content as always
Yes but only once we give the F-35 a proper flight model.
I cannot wait for the F-35 update, that will be really nice its such a complex fighter and its nice to see you adding more and more of it.
It still won't be up to the real F-35 standard but at least some of the way.
Fun, but I do love the Eurofighter. I'm sure you've done all of these videos in solo fashion, but I wonder if it would be entertaining to do group BVR of Eurofighter vs. US 4th-gen in a series of battles (F-15/F-16/F-18). Perhaps a new variable would be testing all of these matchups vs. AIM-260?
Nice vid from the start keep up the very good work❤😊
Saw some F35 exercises on a recent trip to the lake district. They're noticeably quieter than earlier jets but also didn't look quite as agile.
Must've been w/o burners in, the decibel level was measured about equal to the F-15
had a eurofighter fly over my house recently and it was insanely loud
Fat Amy for a reason
I wonder if it's due to the large bypass ratio of the engine?
@@grimreapersi think so, they are very quiet without reheat, but still deafening when they wack on full power
Nice, great videos and ideas keep up the great content. Also what mod is the Eurofighter?
Mods link in vid description, you can find it in there.
A good mathematical formula derived from first principles is always elegant. . You can tell when something is 'right' when it has such elegance. The Typhoon is always so elegant in the air.
It's pretty elegant while exploding and falling out of the air too.
@@HiIeric117how does it feel that no one ever took you seriously. That your bait was that pathetic after 10 months. When you read this comment, I hope you've had time to reflect on how much of a clown you are 😂
Take care ✌️🕊️
The Typhoon is a beautiful and manuvuerable fighter. I hope when and if the Tempest is built it as pretty and manuvuerable, and those Meteors are just crazy good!!
As far as "Fat Amy" is concerned, I know you guys are flying the B model, but I think the US Navy needs a D version, with the big folding wing of the C and the cannon of the Alpha. They need to use the concept of the Meteor AAM and build it into an Anti Radation Missile. That loitering capability would be king in waiting for a SAM system to transmit.
Add to the fact that in the Typhoon what are your opening tactics? Is it you are up against stealth or that there’s nothing there? What do you do? How can you patrol in a way that is safe?
Well done! Thanks GR
Love these
My favourite is defiantly the euro fighter such a beautiful and elegant plane, I think it’s todays spitfire in many ways
Cannot wait to see the tempest 6th gen fighter, or the type 83 destroyer for which apparently they have 8 planned, finally it’s not so bad number! Not great but not bad either!
So long as we don’t fall into the type 45 trap of planning 12 then planning 6, but super uprated, then actually just making 6 of the original spec.
@@joshuasenior4370 I think they’re going middle of the road, not going into double digits in fear of a repeat of the type 45’s planned numbers v actual result. plus I think it’ll be easier to get the money together/convince whoever approves the money for 8 (maybe nine if they can weasel in enough) ships rather than going for 12.
not gonna be edgy like some people asking but the RWR is kinda important for locating the f35s here so would it be possible to do a rematch once it's working. I think with RWR, IRST and Asraams the eurofighter can win
The actual F-35 has a LPI radar that minimizes RWR returns, so yes it would work in DCS, but if the F-35 was fully modeled, it would be even more skewed in its favor.
EDIT: The lack of RWR makes it MORE realistic rather than less
With the 35’s radar you won’t get any rwr warnings so this is quite realistic
I'm looking into it and it's not that the f35s radar wouldn't give off a warning, it just won't give off a warning or a proper warning to older RWRs. Comparing DASS to other RWR systems out there it's quite unlikely it couldn't detect the F35s Radar.
Unless we know exact figures we can't work it out and only assume.
Considering the fact BAE had their part in developing the RWR for the f35 too it's likely the system on the eurofighter is similar to some degree assuming that the f35 would be able to counter their own radar (you'd imagine that'd be a priority)@@Utubesuperstar
Nah you stupid
F-35 doesn’t even need to use its radar - DAS can detect aircraft at significant ranges and at all aspects.
Full capability, the F-35 is an easy win. But IRL F-35s rarely fight with their full capabilities as it’s more useful to train with the stealth nerfed with reflectors.
interesting to note there is a specific version of the AIM-9x that is designed for the F-35 and it is stealthy, having more of a square angle shape compared to the normal round shape of AAMs. the wing mounted pylon is also stealthy.
impressed to see this mentioned here, that’s a really little known fact
@@jonathanpfeffer3716 its the aim-9x Block II plus
"Until another version of the AIM-9X is developed that will fit inside the F-35's enclosed weapons bay, the AIM-9X Block II-plus has stealthy coatings and structures to help reduce the missile's radar cross-section when the F-35 carries these missiles externally."
Wow! I've never heard of this.
@@swayzefan3600 I know all that lol but I’m like a turbo nerd that looks through DOD releases and shit, this fact was one I’ve seen like literally once, so I’m surprised to see it mentioned by someone at all, much less in a setting like this.
@@jonathanpfeffer3716 just so everyone knows i first heard of it on a "the drive" article- im not pulling a warthunder forum😅. if you google "aim-9x block 2 plus stealth" then you'll see a few articles with different sources. i could have sworn i've seen a picture of one mounted on an F-35 with the unique shape but im having trouble finding it- theres not a ton of info in the articles but interesting none the less.
Seems like the F35 & other stealth fighters would greatly benefit from jettisonable wing pylons, so they can go full stealth after using their external ordanance. (I wonder if the idea was ever researched?) Although in real life it probably wouldn't be so useful (even if it was possible), as missiles are too expensive to send fighters out with large loadouts anyway.
🤔 really interesting idea - can’t believe someone hadn’t thought of that!
Round 3: Plans that depend on the enemy overestimating your intelligence are always good.
In these 5th va 4th generation fights Cap always says something like "The fifth generation dominates" well, in 4th vs 3rd the 4th generation dominates, in 3rd vs 2nd the 3rd generation dominates.
Generational gaps actually mean something, Cap.
Yes, yes they do.
I'd be curious to see Typhoons with meteors vs F-35 with only sidewinders
Why have the F-35 got Meteors (2027 earliest)? AIM-120D is what it might have got, maybe AIM-260 next year...
Personally I think the Typhoon is better looking but it's hard to defeat a properly flown 5th gen.
Thank you very interesting.
The eurofighter I'd my favorite because of MSFS, back when you could get to space in it
i can't see coupla IR missiles hurting the F-35 RCS that badly and they're useful.
In reality Typhoon has a 15,000ft celling advantage over Fat Ami and this not seeing it lark is nonsense - even CAPTOR-M is capable of detecting F-35B at considerable distances. In good conditions ISRT will detect F-35B at about 60 miles passively. So Typhoon could fly in at 65,000 feet giving its missiles much, much longer legs, fire, turn and run before F-35B is in range.
You should model and test the FB-22 or the NGAD Raptor.
Thanks! Perhaps if you went high but disengaged, fell back and high beyond range and reengaged once 2 down low began getting the attention of the f35s
Thanks!
F-35 cockpit looks F-15ish...is it just me? Great video btw. Very much enjoyed watching. Thank you.
8:55 No! Nooooo! Bollocks! ... :) That line just totally made my day! Hahahaha! Sorry Cap, but that was hilarious!
damn good show.
I remember them talking about the Euro fighter when I was young around the same time there was a royal navy presentation of the then to be built HMS ocean in school
would it be possible to model towed decoys and BriteCloud Expendable Active Decoy?
giving gen 4 aircraft better defences against radar guided weapons.
ED said that the viper would receive the AN/ALE-50 at some point so they may be able to use that once it arrives.
Not yet.
Great video. Would be interesting to see how this would work if the F-35 had only AMRAAMs instead of Meteors since they aren’t integrated yet. How much of a difference would this make, if any?
Even worse, The British didn't buy AIM-120D because there were expecting Meteor to be available by now. British F-35Bs are flying around with a mixture of old stock AIM-120B and AIM-120C. Both of which have a PKI below ASRAAM at under 30 clicks - let alone Meteor at extended ranges.
@@LondonSteveLee yeah I wasn’t sure about this. I thought they might be using AIM-120Cs whilst they wait for Meteor
"Watch me go ABOVE their sensors" BOOM "Ah BOLLOCKS!"
It would be interesting to see how the two aircraft compared in a QRA role.
Typhoon would be better as that's essentially what it's designed for. Much higher climb rate and thrust to weight ratio.
EF vastly superior for this.
Though the f-35 is a much better aircraft. The euro- fighter a better looking aircraft. Well to me it is. 👍👾
Everything is about looks…at least for pilots to get the chics 😂
Go Amy, it's a birthday cake!
lol
I wonder if the next gen ASER radar for the Eurofighter will greatly enhance its ability to detect/attack stealth platforms?
Go, Battle Penguin!
Lol love the crash landing
I can't be 100% sure, but I am fairly certain that the PIRATE IRST can be used to guide the Meteor.
If true, this would be ultimate. Doubt we can simulate it though.
@@grimreapers yeah, totally appreciate that it's going to be difficult. I'm trying to find the specific article I read, but basically all/most European Typhoons will be fitted with the ECRS RADAR, but the RAF ones have another package on top of that. It's supposed to be amazing and I wonder if it'll fit in the F-35 in future too.
@@grimreapersIt can guide Meteor, Tranche 3 software update onwards.
The F-35 is the stealth archer of fighter jets. Kill your enemy first; never allow a fight.
Thanks now I'm imagining the Eurofighters as Skyrim NPC's with an arrow in their throat deciding that it was just the wind.
@@Kakarot64. "Must have been my imagination."
Just saying :
The F-35's RCS maybe around 0.002m2, but that's not 360° around the jet, past the F-35's 25-30° frontal it's RSC goes up to around 2.5m2, the 0.002m2 is between it's 10-25° frontal. Ie you can see the F-35 from a longer range more often, not just 19 miles always at all angles.
The Typhoons DASS is a lot more capable then what you claimed in game.
The IRST Pirate is capable of sending it's information to the Captor M Radar, meaning when the IRST has found a target the Captor M can be used to forces on a certain point with pushing more power to see said target.
The Typhoon in general is a lot better in real life, then what you showed in the game, "Stealth" doesn't mean it's better or that it's impossible to beat.
Plus i believe the F-35 isn't getting the Meteor till 2027 now, so it's still using the older less capable AIM-120's, not to mention the Typhoons are getting new Radar Systems, the UK Typhoons will be Getting the Captor E2 the most capable Captor version out of the 3 types, in I believe 2030 or sooner, plus the APG-81 and new APG-85 maybe the best now, but it's stated that the Captor E2 will give the APG-85 a run for its money, so the Typhoon 4.5 gen isn't out of the fight yet vs 5th gen's. The Typhoon is just getting better.
There is a reason why the Typhoon is classed as the most deadliest/advanced Swing-Roll Fighter.
I know you guys get a lot of your information from Wikipedia, so maybe that's why you ended up with the result you did.
Not sure if RCS changes in DCS based on aspect
@@dexlab7539 they tested it, its doesn't and that makes 5th gen fighters stupidly overpowered.
Agreed but we have to simply for DCS so just use front aspects as I suppose that's the "main" aspect.
Why does the cockpit layout look different on dcs to pictures i have seen on the net. Does the f35 have a large area display or not?
Did you model the F-35 opening its bomb bay doors to launch a missile?
Who requested this? Did they also ask if water was wet?
…we need to test your theory…not sure water is wet
I love the F-15, but the Felon is a sexy bird.
F35 is incredibly capable.
I still love the Typhoon though. Its agility is incredible...and its very pretty
Hey Cap, the f35 cockpit looks not very f35 alike 😅?
Not at all.
You don’t have to mention leading zeroes ahead of the decimal point when giving units of measurement
The F35B Cockpit isn`t realistic is it? When I google pictures, its full with 2 huge screens, and no old fashioned gauges.
How do you convert RCS to estimated radar detection range?
Hey cap.
What do you think of the f 22 vs the f 35?
F-35B will not have Meteor until AT LEAST 2036 - not only is the short fin Meteor project running late, F-35B will require the block 4 software update - if the UK can afford it when it arrives. British F-35Bs are currently carrying old stocks of AIM-120B and AIM-120C as we didn't buy AIM-120D. Oh and by the way, RAF pilots have been tracking F-35B at up to 90 miles (depending on aspect) with Tranche 3 onwards aircraft - UK F-35Bs do not fly with Luneburg lenses. Stealth is history - modern RADAR data processing has already defeated it. Tranche 3+ Typhoon CAN guide Meteor on IRST data alone of course at some point the Meteor will have to take over with on-board RADAR. I wish we would develop an IR guided Meteor.
Going to say F35. Because 'Murica, phook yeah!
Need a bad weather version
Likely wouldn’t change things too much. All radar guided missiles anyway
@dexlab7539 make it guns only lol
The Eurofighter does have an internal cannon, doesn't it? If the F-35B doesn't have a cannon built in the Eurofighter can get into knife-fighting range and turn it into Swiss cheese
Except it'll jam after the 2nd round - the Mauser on the Typhoon is hopeless - good old German engineering eh?
F-35 with pylons is not full stealth
Hey, I've been watching you all for a couple of years. Could you all do a British Carrier group striking Washington DC?
Will try.
Matrix is real 😂💙
The Eurofighter is NOT british. Is british, german, spanish and italian.
Typhoon is much inferior to the F-35, as the Lightning can see anything if it’s flying anywhere, but I just have too big of a soft spot for the Dorito
Go the opposite direction up high first
Ah yes, love these matches where the Lightning has all of its systems turned off. Look forward to your updates. Subsonic performance is easy for F-35s, even Bs.
I'm amused by all the comments suggesting you gimp the (5th Gen) F-35 to negate/mitigate its advantages and maximize 4th Gen advantages. What the actual f***?!? Seriously, obtuse suggestions.
It's literally just like clubbing baby seals...
Hi CAP, like to see these two planes sin a gentleman's merge?
Currently not worth it, F-35 flight model isn't quite there yet.
Britain and the UK are the same thing!
I thought one of them don't include Northern Ireland?
I just think the F-35 is ugly. It's abilities are astounding, but it's ugly. Not A-7 or A-10 "So ugly it's cool" but it just looks pudgy. When the F-22 was first unveiled, I remember reading a quote from someone in Air & Space who said that it looked like "a Tomcat with a water retention problem." Those curved surfaces serve a definite purpose, but they don't look sleek or like a weapon. It looks like they were made to be easy to swallow. Again, both amazing aircraft, but the aesthetics just aren't there for me.
Eurofighter, however, looks like you could put it on the end of a spear and really mess someone up.
Performance matters not looks
Looks matter to the pilot - to get the chics
@@azoriusmage Yeah, he asked which one we liked more, I said that one looked better than the other. You must have missed all of the praise for the F-35 and F-22 respective performance and abilities. Sorry.
To me the F-35 looks like a sad, misshapen imitation of the F-22, which is a shame because the F-22 looks fantastic.
If RAF fighters went rogue in a coup.....
North vs South?
Why not use the A variant?
The very opening lines of the video explains it - it's a "British grudge match" - The British only have F-35B.
Ahhh, thanks
@@LondonSteveLee
Oooooh
I disqualify this match, no RWR is absolutely essential here. Please make the modder to fix the RWR and run match again.
I mentioned this to another commenter but I will mention it here. The F-35 has an LPI radar. No RWR is more realistic than having a RWR.
It’s more realistic in modern fights rwr is mostly useless. The f35’s radar doesn’t give a rwr return
"Watch me go above their sensors... BOOM!" HAHAHAAHHA
And yet people keep insisting that the F-35 is a useless system and not worth the price... Yet when it can utterly sweep the sky when used in the right way, is it REALLY? Those Typhoons didn't stand a friggin chance when the 35's are employed intelligently.
I don't understand these matchups. The Eurofighter vs. F-16 Block 70/72 would be more fun IMO.
Because it's interesting to see if the underdog can find a way of winning.
Cap to space !?
Always.
FIRST COMMENT
thyphoon becuse f35 wast of money
Typhoons
Hilarious how the f 35's are only good on paper and in digital simulation but has a billion in losses from crashes alone without ever being in real combat (fake bombing runs covered by real fighters is not real combat) 😂😂
I dont know about availability rates for the eurofighter but the F35 has SERIOUS maintenance issues where almost half the fleet is grounded and many of the early airframes have dramatically reduced service lives due to design flaws.
We will start seeing some those F35s being retired within the next couple of years just because they've used up their gimped airframe life.
Real life and simulations tend to differ like this. Reality is harder.
F35 bad
Dont like anything euro 🇺🇸
yawn
Agreed…only Merica can shoot down balloons 🇷🇺 🇨🇳
How typically American of you
I'm sure the USAF could make do without jet engines.
How do you know what gen an aircraft is? Need to learn something new today, thanks.
Gen 1 is original jets, eg ME262, Meteor.
Gen 2 is next, think F-86, F-100, F-104, Mig-15, Mig-21.
Gen 3 is things like F-4, Mig-23, Mirage 3
Gen 4 is F-14, F-15, Mig-29, SU-27.
Gen 5 is tipified by stealth and massive sensor capability, things like F-22, F-35.
Gen 4.5 are jets that are basically gen 4 airframes with some low detectability features to minimise RCS, and sensors close to what gen 5 has. Aircraft in this kind of gen are F/A-18 Super Hornets, Late gen SU-27 and similar versions, Eurofighter, Rafale.
SU-57 is Arguably a Gen 4.5++, super maneuverable and slightly stealthy with some (claimed) very potent sensors.
Gen 1: $,
Gen 2: $$,
Gen 3: $$$,
Gen 4: $$$$,
Gen 5: $$$$$….enough said 😂