Band Raw || MDF$ Vs STICKY Situation DRUMLINE BATTLE || Battle of the Bay 2022
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NSU's tenors are untouchable....
For reference, their tenor section leader ended up at THE CADETS for 2021.
just shows how skilled these cold mofos are
Nope suck in comparison weak at biiii hsu
they've been marching in DCI bands for years before then too.
Hands down and there be line is one off my favored the tunnels coming from them billion doller basses to crazy
As a member of MDF$ (2002-2005) thisx was nothing new as far as the end result but sticky has improved
My grading is subjective from battle to battle based on the lines being evaluated. Hampton has improved over the years and is headed in the right direction. Norfolk has a history of excellence and is never satisfied. They always look to outdo themselves.
Hampton- Snares-8 displayed basics of playing as a line. Even drum height, stone face, stick heights, hand motions.
Tenors-7 As someone else pointed out, difficult to hear
I personality like leg tenors but with the push towards power with chest tenors I would like to see lines with leg tenors push for strong wrists to make up for the sound projection.
Cymbals- 7 Some parts not locking together. Good ideas but just need to worm on meshing them together
Basses-7 Same thing as the cymbals. Runs should be smooth
Quads- 8 score awarded to a line displaying all the basics of a line. Stone face, even drums, proper playing.
Balance- 7 sections seemed to be overpowered by others. Snares are the most important part with the melody but the other parts should provide proper support.
Difficulty of material- 7 The line is well on their way on the right direction. Keep it up!
Overall score- 51/70
My biggest piece of advice: Yes, your Snares should be your players with the best chops. However, still develop all of your other sections into musicians as well. Teach them awareness, sensitivity, balance, and all of the intricate things about their instrument that contributes to the line.
Overall score- 51/70
Norfolk
Snares- 9.9 (I have to take marks off for the dropped stick)
Basses- 10
Cymbals-10
Quints- 10
Balance 10
Difficulty of material-10
Overall score: 59.9/60
MDFS has set the standard. Great pocket, balance, technique, the whole 9 yards. For decades their one appeal has been their playing. It was a great block.
Final score: Hampton- 73% Norfolk 99%
Winner: Norfolk
@DrumLuv23 I respectfully disagree with parts of your analysis.
You are spot on when you said hampton has improved and are headed in the right direction. And I agree that Norfolk's Pedigree is unmatched. However your scoring is a bit off. Hamptons material was more difficult than you give them credit for. To chop like that with intricate sticking and not once drop a stick or miss a part, they have to be given more credit for that. Furthermore, Norfolk cymbal line, as nice as they play they never flash. Norfolk is the only hbcu cymbal line, that I know of, that doesn't do any flashing. I know the differences are minor but every detail counts. Respectfully. Ijs
@@matthewaddie-steele524
Definitely fair enough. However, like I shared, my grading is subjective from battle to battle. I'm always evolving ny grading system but currently I evaluate some things based on the specific line. Here's what I mean:
If a specific section displays all of the elements that make a solid line on the college level (level drums, proper hand skeleton, everyone knows the parts and plays them together, stoic faces, proper intervals, etc ) then that earns them an 8 every time. From then on the grading gets tougher based on creativity, delivery, musicality, etc.
Other things such as difficulty of material are more nuanced. Is it easy to put together a show the way Sticky did? No. Was the difficulty of their material and display of it properly performed the same category of difficulty and display of MDFS? No. And therein lies the gap. I wanted to give something like a 6 but I also didn't want to disrespect the efforts of Sticky.
It's in no way meant to disrespect the line but show, in my opinion, the current discrepancy in material played. Because a line can be an 8 in presentation but play a 4 in material. I believe that's fair in considering the differences in a line and determining an overall winner.
Last night I also used it in my evaluation of the Howard/Hampton battle and it ultimately ended up being to the advantage of Sticky.
My evaluation system is ever evolving so it's not my aim to offend or diminish a line's efforts. But I do want to use it to explain why I believe a specific line is the victor. Last night I evaluated lines that are more established than sticky that played, quite frankly, more difficult material. If I were to give them an 8 based on what I look for then I think it'd be accurate for me to give a notch lower to a line that's good and evolving.
Example: Last night i actually gave Alcorn a 7 in difficulty of material. Their line was decent but when I paid attention to what they were playing and how it was performed it wasn't on Lane College's degree of difficulty and I gave them an 8.8. If s Lane freshman were to go to Alcorn would they struggle? If an Alcorn freshman were to go to Lane would they struggle? These are the nuanced questions to ask once the basics are down.
I encourage you to look at my evaluation of the Howard Hampton battle.
@@matthewaddie-steele524
Here's the reason why I gave Norfolk's line a 10 despite the lack of flash:
1.) How well do they do their job? (Keeping time while other sections are doing their thing)
2. How well did they play their solo parts?
3. How together were they with their presentation and movement?
4. How well and clean did their parts fit with the overall ensemble's music?
5. What was the clean/dirt ratio?
This again is what I mean. As a judge I have to take away personal bias (not saying that you are being biased). The main thing to consider in a battle is the music and presentstion. Some lines have different styles that you simply can't compare and this can't hurt their score. Just like you see Norfolk doesn't have tenors. This can't hurt their score or Sticky's because it's nothing they can really "control" so the fairest thing to do is give percentage after scoring. So if a specific line doesn't traditionally flash in one of their sections, it can't be a mark of penalizing. The marks have to be on "How well do they do what they do?" If flashing, how well do they flash as a part of their presentation? If dancing, how well do they dance as part of their presentation?
I'm looking back at Sticky's cymbals and I'm seeing things that don't stack up with other stronger cymbal lines: looking around, movement not crisp, parts that are primarily time keeping and when they get intricate they're off and don't keep the pocket.
I'd like to think that these are areas of improvement so that the line can continue to grow. I know they're working hard and I look forward to seeing more growth this season! 👍🏾
nobody:
Norfolk Drumline: "Perfection is not an option but is mandatory"
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i know hampton was standing their holding their drums like .. wow, they're still going
Norfolk State looks like DCI they are just on a whole other level
Yes
specially with their tenor line all actually having marched DCI. they were blessed with such a quad line.
NSU came in raw from the jump! 🔥🔥🔥 got damn BDs
Yo I said the same thing that’s them billion doller basses for you the best
I enjoy both of these lines. Great content and concepts from both.
Both lines were incredible but I think Norfolk State’s was almost impossibly good (I was watching like WTF?). Like a DCI band with soul.
Norfolk has definitely has a bit more DCI influence in their new material with groove added!
That is the best way to describe them 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Dats a - Hampton wasnt clear at all
Facts
Naw PIRATES ARE THE BEST
Mdfs tonals 😤😤🔥🔥🔥
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Mdfs second set was perfection I could take a clip of that bye itself
MD always so fukn smooth bro…..
Goddammm NSU 💚💛💚💛💚💛💚💛💚💛🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
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7:08 …….that was cold 🤝
GREAT JOB MD!!!
MDF$ should thank HU for another successful sectional 😄😄😄..cuz that shit was PRACTICE for them💚💛💪🤣
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Norfolk’s tenor lines will forever be top tier.
All facts
Just wondering what you mean when you say norfolks tenor line??????
they all marched DCI for The Cadets. top tier tenor line MDFS has
@@PrudishBoss bro? Where do you get this information from? I know a good number of them personally 😭😭😭
@@reggiep NSU’s multi-Tenor drum (sextet) section. Idk how else to phrase it! The gods!
Money team!!!💰💰💰🔰🔥🔥
Hampton’s tuning makes it so hard to hear all the drums clearly…damn lol.
Wow!!!!!
Hampton second set is tuff ✊🏾🔥🔥🔥
That middle finger from the 1st sticky snare at 12:51 shows HU knew they shoulda came more prepared! MD stays w a foot on they neck🔰#Behold
BEHOLD THE GREEN AND GOLD!
Norfolk State’s line may be better than North Texas….they may just be the best collegiate line in the USA!
I like the 18’s.
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When you bring a knife to a gun fight
K-VON on da quints like can a get sum peach snapps please it hurt🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
GREAT JOB NICK!!💪💪 MDF$
Per usual!💚💛💪💪
Thank you 🖤💯
#progression
ALWAYS bet the house on MDF$..
Damn Norfolk St
I watch this three times and there is just under 2 seconds total of MD not sounding in absolute unison. TOTAL. I think it is time MDF$ got test some of these DCI section because....Light Work.
Really they are the best
Cymbal section need hugs and love 😘😘😘....🤣😅
Behold 🔰
10-1-22 The Blue and White is GLORIOUSLY OUTTA SITE
norfolk love the bets
Yea any line that thinks they have any fraction of a chance against MD is delusional
Cold Steel 🥶
NSU has not always been the dominant of the two young buck!
@@prestigiousgentleman4865👀
Mdfs with the win
They yelled uuuuuuuuuuugh
Why this is so populair in Africa? I see this a lot on YT .from wich country they are? Awesome sound.
Nsu playn warm ups lol beast
@12:49 I guess all that fake drumline luv for the other school is out the door now huh lol
Aye NSU y’all ain’t have to pop off like that 😂 good stuff tho
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This was not a battle. It was an obliteration. The Legion just to much for them but HU is climbing back to the way they use to be and they will be great if they keep them numbers up. Congrats to both lines.
Yes say it againg killed them 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤣🤣🤣
NSU Drumline... Got the Chops...
I will say Hampton sound better than years past,but they need at least another decade to be considered a percussion section Respectfully
Mdfs has the coldest bass line hands down. You’d need a DCI line to compete
How does NSU manage to recruit highly-skilled drummers on a yearly basis? They're better than every HBCU line I've seen and better than most lines at heavily funded PWI schools like UF, FSU, LSU, MSU etc..
They come in a little raw, but they put in the work day and night.
I wish I could’ve played in NSU’s Drumline my high school band played a lot of their cadences MDFS is the best 😤
NSU is the best collegiate line in the Nation. Not best HBCU but the best line period!
Mdfs won
Hampton played some of those cadences last year at the battle of the bay. That’s not good. MDFS ALL DAY😜
MDFS all the way. i for sure damn know most of em has to have played in a DCI line before.
High School vs. a DCI
lol. Love that MDFS has had many member March DCI. Beautiful.
I won’t go that far cause Sticky has come a long way. Material is better. I’ll give them that
NSU drum line is awesome
What happened to Hampton having chest tenors?
That's that MDF$ influence That's been spreading throughout HBCU Bands. Check the receipts.
They switched back to leg tenors to bring back tradition
@@kedryckjames2021 I think it's because people keep saying there trying to be like Cold Steel 🙄
@@MusicManC I can see that argument being made. But STICKY before 2007 had leg tenors and the line and PI wanted to being elements of tradition back.
MDFS brings me closer to Jesus. MDFS has got to that level to where it's not even fair really to whoever has to battle them. To the point I kind of feel sorry for them.
Md that was deep why yawl do them like that lmao 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣whooped them brah didn’t even wanna tap that shit off when yawl got done poor Hampton 🤦🏽♂️o well md for life
this was just sectionals for MDF$
Hampton is getting better year after year, aint nothing for with persistence.. but mdfs immediately went to work on hampton .. hampton has had better beats in the past.. their beats sound like high school beats compared to norfolk.. the difference is clear
That's a tie both the same, from the original drumlins most schools plays the same thing and do the stuff till this day do some stuff when I played in the 70's .
hampton started off great but after norfolk played they material look so basic
Hsu missed alotbof daytime on shit y even get on da bus go y fight.....do hear dis SHIT LOL
MDFS is wrong for those 18’s.
Yeah, beats >>> that other shit
@@CleanIsClean nah. 20’s only.
Why was Sticky looking dumbfounded?
Because STICKY thought they were doing cadence for cadence like last year. They were not aware MDFS was going to do a whole 4-5 min block.
@@kedryckjames2021 they were well aware lmao. Stop
@@BurgersnfrieSS bro I am STICKY alumni and LITERALLY work with the band as a media team member. No one in the entire drumline was aware that MD was doing a block. unless you also march with the FORCE and knew something I didn't.
@@kedryckjames2021 okay bro lmaoooo
@@kedryckjames2021 BIG 🧢🤣🤣