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ORPHAN (2009) Ending Explained
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In Orphan, after suffering a loss a couple decides to adopt a daughter - the seemingly innocent Esther. But it soon becomes clear as troubling dangerous events start occurring, Esther harbors a dark secret. We're breaking down the story, including just what is wrong with Esther, also with more backstory cut from the film, explaining the ending, and looking at what we know about the upcoming prequel Orphan: First Kill.
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"He died like he lived. Like a chump." Truer words have never been spoken, lol.
It would of made more sense if she shot him, she's like 60 pounds and already has a broken arm he would of had to be on death's door to not be able to overpower her even after being stabbed multiple times 😆
Yeah f that guy, a cheater and a sucker
He was a freakin' idiot!
so frustrating
@@nye1915 yeah... I feel it. He's dumber than a chicken.
this movie made me so mad bc the dad missed literally EVERY sign that there was something wrong with the girl 😭
It was a child, I would think it was the mom at first
Because she manipulated him because he is who she was after. The mum was a alcoholic, he was tricked into thinking that the mum broke her arm, the mum slapped her and something clearly happened with max and the ice and the mum was clearly being careless. I would find it difficult to believe that a 9 year could do all that.
He is liberal 😂😂😂😂😂🇹🇷😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@isd4154 shut up
@@marga.9793 it's a joke
The comment about Esther eating was that she was cutting her food into small pieces, which makes sense when she wears false teeth.
I didn't notice this!
wow ive never noticed this and ive watched this movie so many times. i just thought it was unusual for kids to cut their food like that
Wow good point there . Great observation
She also holds her silverware the British way.
@@jamesbenefield3376 European way
"i want to give the love I had for my daughter to another little girl"
her two other little kids: 😒
What I didn't get as a kid when I watched this for the first time.
@@mish8183 you watched this as a kid? rough.
@@hhprincess647
Many people watched this as a kid. I did too.
@@taidakun_ig yeah same
I never understood this. I’m surprised she didn’t love on them even more
Honestly, what is even John and Kate's relationship? What kind of husband is he to not trust anything his wife says? It's like their relationship is solely built on lust, and no trust.
I mean makes sense he cheated on her and she was drunk when their kid died. I would assume their marriage is fractured
well, if you see your wife beating your foster daughter, and you know she has an alcohol problem. it’s pretty reasonable to not believe things that seem unreasonable.
@@convergenceclown2386 no that would be out of the norm because she clearly doesn’t treat her children like that
@@Gold3nMisfittt You don´t ever hit your children. People sometimes abuse their adopted/foster kids and treat their biological children good.
@@chrissi975 of course but that wasn’t the case in the movie was it? No
The best part about this horror is that the main antagonist isn't supernatural or demonic, just a psychotic woman in a body of a child because of a genetic disease.
Yeah, it just goes to show you don’t need a supernatural twist, just some f’d up people.
that she's an adult isn't the problem. the problem is that she's a psychopath....
Yea but the genetic disorder isn't the cause
It's biological rather than genetic, relating to Hypopituitarism. It's related to the pituitary gland. You can check online for more info!
@@stitchfan93 thanks for the correction!
Imagine being such a crappy husband/dad that you don’t listen to your wife and don’t realize your kids are completely distressed. Just say oh this random little girl we met last week is the only thing that matters...
To be fair, Esther was an extremely talented manipulator, even pointed out that she showed signs of a master manipulator, and given their marriage was already filled with issues, and his wife had been an extreme alcoholic for awhile, its easy to see how he could be skeptical that a kid was capable of all this.
@@rraychubi2119 there were some big red flags plus they only started having real problems when she arrived and he was a terrible husband and father to be fair
The father character was probably into it. I've never seen the movie so idk if the comment about 'Porn Tree House" was a joke or an actual thing in the movie lol
@@crystaleuwing8411 Red flags that only were visible to the rest of the family because they werent her target. And it was made clear in the movie that their relationship had been rocky for awhile and that the mothers drinking and actions had led to their daughters accident. Combined with a.. (therapist? Cant remember the word) that checked Esther out and declared her to be perfectly fine, its easy to see why the father fell for Esthers manipulations. He aint a likable character but out of all of them he reacted quite how a normal, non-paranoid person would. Not to mention that in his eyes the problems occuring as they adopted Esther would be likely because of his wifes inability to let go of Jessica and her grief making her shut out Esther from her heart. Its a thing that can happen.
That's the point, Esther manipulates the entire family making her the only thing the dad cares about so she can seduce him.
"The husband died as he lived. Like a chump"
Yeah...this dude caused his own downfall.
That line had me crackin' up! Not one lie told! 😆😆😆
😂😂🤣🤣
😂
The entire movie I felt bad for Max. That trauma would’ve destroyed her
Perhaps not. Not everyone takes such events the same way at their core.
She may be stronger than you think.
0r maybe stronger than just you.
I like the representation, she's not the poor disabled little girl that needs to be taken care of, she actually is very smart and comes in handy.
Esther pushed Max into the road and Max pushed her back at the treehouse fire. Esther pointed a gun at Max and Max got her back at the end. Tough little girl.
Same... how old was the actress when the movie was made?
@@kilssj2250 lol wut is this comment
I can only imagine how uncomfortable the actors were when filming the scene between Esther and John
Yeah considering the actresses was underage very very weird
Peter Sarsgaard approached Isabelle afterwards to make sure that they were still on good terms
She had a double
I could never do it as a grown man. Acting or not, that shit is just disturbing. I'd feel so disgusting before & after filming a scene like that.
@@mariemarie3045 oh she did?
Okay, but hear me out. If Esther wasn’t a psychotic woman in a child’s body then she could’ve easily been a millennial genius with a rare disease that makes her immortal. She has undeniable artistic talent, piano skills, and is multilingual including sign language. She’s smart, she’s manipulative, she’s competitive and she will basically dominate in anything that isn’t physical.
True
The disease doesn’t make her immortal though
She'd make a great business woman
she was sociopathic not psychotic there is a difference
wdym anything that isn’t physical
I feel so bad for max and the son. Imagine trying to tell your parents something isn't right about a family member and they don't believe you.
Lol they never even told them anything
@@xszocc_9307
I guess he didn't watch the movie. 😂😂🤣
They didn't tho... since Esther told them if they'll spill the beans she'll hurt them!
I feel so bad for everyone who liked this comment because clearly they didn’t watch the movie just like you. The kids never warn the parents that Ester is evil or dangerous. She scares both of them into keeping their mouths shut.
The brother (Daniel) stayed in the beginning that he didn’t like ester simply because she was weird and got all this attention he wasn’t getting, but he never told his parents that she hurt him or threatened him. Even when the mom point blank asks him and Max if ester ever did anything bad or something to scare them, they flat out tell the mom no and that Ester is fine.
The husband holding a camcorder as she's suffering through trama is a perfect analogy. He was a spectator never on her side when she needed him
UM HOW ARE THERE NO COMMENTS? THATS SUCH A TRUTH AND I THANK YOU FOR POINTING IT OUT. Some of these fucking morons in this comment section are actually siding with the father! He’s hardly even in the movie lmao he sucked.
Holy crap.
Dam, that's actually pretty cool. He doesn't help at all, just watches. So that's pretty much summarize his character. Even his reaction during the dream is same in the moive. That was legit good foreshadowing.
Damn that’s some good insight.
@@jongiovanna4242 the reason there was no comments before because everyone’s jaw dropped when they saw this.
I really like the fact that the "creepy" child isn't because of a demon/ghost/monster possession. It was more impactful than any big "your child is satan" type reveal. Or at least thats how it is in my opinion.
It’s realistic that’s why it works. You’re less likely to encounter a demon child than a crazed psychopath disguised as a child
@@Childishxmarkeeloo Yeah there are already cases like this there's no killing but still creepy af 😬
Agree
Yeah...
@@Childishxmarkeeloo If I am right, this is actually based on some true messed up sh*t
This is by far the best horror movie ever made in history. No CGI monsters, no demon possession, no excessive blood and gore, no cliched concept, just psychological terror. Nothing can break the atmosphere and tension it creates.
Only excessive blood was at the very beginning in Kate's dream but I wouldn't count that it's basically fantasy.
But yes I agree this movie is the jackpot
And the evil genius that is Ester/Leena to careful tear the family apart and play their weaknesses against them. I just love how clever she is and still get hooked on how manipulative she was.
The reasoning for wanting to adopt is kind of flat when it implies that the children they already have are somehow not worthy of the love "meant for Jess."
I got frustrated at that. I get that giving birth to a stillborn child is traumatic. Worthy of going to therapy for a while to work through your feelings. While not the EXACT same, I had a miscarriage at 8 weeks with my very first pregnancy. Not uncommon, but still it hurt. I now have two kids that I love dearly (even if they get on my nerves a lot). Do I feel like I need to fill the hole of that lost child? No. We wanted two kids, we have two kids.
The way the movie portrayed this feeling, felt very wrong to me. Like, you have two kids who are in Elementary school, one of which is DEAF! I would have shifted that unplaced love onto my current kids and let them know that while they all lost their baby sister, mommy loves them just as much as before.
Having the rose bush where the stillborn's ashes were spread? That is a lovely memory that will keep coming back each year. I would have talked with the current kids to see if THEY would want to bring another child into the family by way of adoption. Let them be included. There were many points in which the kids should have been included in the adoption process (meeting potential adoptees, progress check ups with the kids after adoption "How are you feeling with your new sibling in the house?").
All in all, I tried to suspend my belief very hard for this concept, couldn't fully.
The whole movie is like that. The husband and wife barley even tolerate each other.
@@kieshiacranor4896 ikr, i was thinking why these mfs aren't divorced yet, the dad makes me so mad
Yeah that made Kate & her husband a little off putting for me from jump ngl.
@@ashleybuechler860 not everyone reacts the same way like u😁 and there r many ppl who would love to adopt kids I can guarantee u most of the time the biological kids don’t get jealous. and adopted kids deserve love they deserve everything u adopt them u r there guardian u r their parent they deserve the same amount of love dont he selfish. “wElL beCAusE mY KId iS bIOloGIcAL tHEy dESErvE MoRe lOVe” u and the commenter sound like both should be treated the same. Both r worthy of love
The fact that i remember everything about this movie after like 10 years says alot good movie.
Yes me too😭
I've never seen this movie just heard about what went down and I still remember this
This reminded me of the movie Damian
We all have weaknesses to our discipline. Mine is much like yours, FoundFlix. He has found his niche. And it is so entertaining and exposes me to stuff I generally wouldn’t have time for or wouldn’t know about to search for. This is why my discipline becomes as real as perfection.
right like the movie itself is not that good tbh but the CONCEPT !!!
That husband was THE WORST. This movie stressed me out because of him.
Agreed! He was so stupid!!
On justice
Max was deaf, guess the guy was blind or some shit.
guys he just didn’t realize that he was in a movie. and thought he ways supposed to act normally
@@scaryrumpus no way, he was being an idiot. Couldn’t he just believe his wife for once!?
Ester probably liked Max better because she saw her as a daughter she couldn’t have because of her backstory ( scrapped backstory )
What kind of scrapped backstory ?
I’m curious as well
but why would she be in love with someone if she sees them as a father
@@aki1676 ya know she lacked a male father figure in her life because, in the scrapped backstory, she only knew him as a monster and in some cases like hers being abused by her father, she would go after male parental figures I guess to fill the void that was left behind from her fathers abuse. Idk it’s something psychological or something of that nature.
@@Itzeltelle.z ohh ok
Isabelle’s performance as Esther is phenomenal
I hate when characters who have been wrong through an entire movie die before the character who was right the whole time could get an 'I told you so' moment.
Them dying is their I told you so moment lol
💯😅
Pretty sure he realized he was wrong when that knife went in his chest lmao
@@yourmother5810 theres no harm in rubbing it in further though 😌 team i told you so all the way
Solution: post credit scene get an ouija board, summon their spirit, call them a bitch, profit.
Funny thing was: I was actually adopted from Russia. I was 9 when this movie came out, my siblings went to go see it. They were freaked out by me and I never knew why until I saw the movie 😂
Sure
@@sheldoncooper4321 oh I’m sorry, do you know the person?
Dasvidanyia
@@sheldoncooper4321 apparently Russian children can't be adopted
Your not a adult serial killer pretending to be a kid
i love how throughout the movie her hair becomes straighter over time, symbolising the people beginning to unravel her seemingly harmless facade that masks her true identity.
Ohh I didn't even notice that
I remember when this movie was out. The news did stories on how adoption agencies were fearful that this movie was preventing people from adopting children. Well, it was quite obvious that they didn't see the movie.
Insult to injury she literally has a broken arm while she kills him lmao
Oh damn, I forgot about that xD
He was drunk as well
Lets see how well you can fight back with a knife in your back lol.
@@daniel-bc5sp I can guarantee that I can overpower her after being stabbed in the back if my life's on the line are you serious lol
@@KonansBurrow I guess but you'd have to be damn near blacked out I never watched the movie so idk just seems kinda stupid
Its crazy that the girl that played Esther ended up playing Clove on The Hunger Games, who was a super underrated character.
I agree
Yeees
Really? I missed that
Once someone wouldn't stop annoying me so I yelled "I'LL HUNGER GAMES YOU!" Then I hit them with a copy of the book.
Wait she was in the hunger games! Geez! I need to read the credits.
The scene where Danny's talking to Max about getting evidence really has me baffled because he's talking while doing sign language I mean if he just did sign language Esther would never have over heard him
He wasn’t great with sign language so he was speaking as well so she could read his lips
@@davidmckay737 okay that makes sense
@@davidmckay737 still he could've mouthed the words or wrote them down
i have a cousin that knows sign language and she always told me that a lot of people say what there signing because i guess it’s easier or something like that
The child actor (Isabelle Furhman)did such a magnificent job portraying the evil orphan. Her performance was the highlight for me
Strangely, we haven't seen more movies with her as popular as this one.
She was in the hunger games and played clove from district 2 with the knives 🔪 but that’s pretty much it
Oh yeah, I remember her role even though it was so brief.@@karalynspeaks4267
@@YuniorGamboa she had a pretty big role
She was in Tape (2020). Pretty good film.
They’re making a second one !
This is probably the most believable horror movie with the most believable reactions to the situations because in everybody's eyes it's a little helpless girl so everybody has sympathy and believes her
True but it couldve been even better if it was ambiguous to the audience as well. Instead she is brutalizing people with a hammer etc we know that Esther is the bad guy straight away.
maybe because this is based irl that's why
Its "based" off a true story. Except she was actually 14 and the family claimed she was actually an adult pretending to be a child just to get rid if her.
She was fine after they finally called them out for leaving their minor child to fend for herself. And she lived with a new family after but she was 19 so they couldnt adopt her, but they still love her like family.
Not me. If my wife told me the adopted girl was sussy, That day is the last day the girl would see me again
Something I had desperately wanted to see, was how the therapist reacted to realizing she got manipulated by a 30 yr old woman. It pissed me off how the therapist and the husband had ganged up on Kate and were ignoring her just because she had ONE accident due to drinking. Granted - the accident could have been extremely tragic, but she had been working on herself since?? They were acting as if she had such a long history. As if she put herself and others in danger over 10x?? Idk it seemed exaggerating to me.
You’ve clearly never spent time with an alcoholic or any other addict especially when they do something bad, especially when said addict relapses (or appears to have relapsed in the case of this movie). All trust goes out the widow because if they are lying about falling off the wagon, what else are they lying about?
Title: Orphan Ending Explained
Reality: Summary of the entire movie
You won’t understand the ending of you didn’t know the whole movie.
First time?
You must be new
What
thank goodness i wasn't the only one, i appreciate it
The twist at the end of this movie was insane. I still remember when I first saw this movie, people were freaking out.
I can not believe that this came out in 2009. Where the hell has time gone?
I rewatch this from time to time and the twist is my favorite aspect.
I have no idea.
Yeah man I get ya. "Hey siri play in the end by linkin park" lmfao
“He died like he lived. Like a chump.”
Best line ever.
You made a mistake: It is clearly shown that when Kate kicked Esther in the face, she also snapped Esther’s neck, killing her.
"box cutter on the wee wee is not gonna be a fun time"
that line was funny as hell
The alternate ending was more crazy. She survives and there’s a scene with her dolling herself up to relook like a child after her fighting the family. When the police arrive to the house she walks down the stairs and she’s like “Hi I’m Esther” it was so creepy lol
I'm still puzzled as to whether or not she's gonna be put back at the mental hospital or will get away from her crimes and probably frame Kate for all the murders
It could be a hint to orphan 2
@J C I hope they get the same actress
@@angelicsailor1st wouldn't she look too old to play the same character? And if it's a prequel, wouldn't they have to age her backwards?
@@briannapeter6193 apparently she is going to be in the sequel with two younger girls who look like her I dont know if they are going to CGI her face onto them or if she will being doing the close up scenes while the two young actresses do the far off shots
He talks about how it isn't convincing that she drowned, but it looked to me like that kick broke her neck.
She did. Her neck broke so then she can’t move/swim and then drowns as she sinks
It was a week ass kick! You ever tried to kick something while freezing to death in soaking wet jeans.
She left and was with another family at the end so she's fine
@@Sun-Tzu- I wouldn't say nonetheless for sure whether it is a "weak ass kick" depends on if she maximize her strength while giving her the maneuverability to optimize the pressure of her potential force
Her neck literally gave out a snap at that scene
There is one thing I'm really bothered about Kate. I feel that she was just trying to use an orphan girl to relieve herself of the guilt and grievance she feels for the accident with Max and her stillborn child. And I think her husband also think so too. That's why he ask her decision again before the adoption and also try to be the best father he can for the adopted little girl. Thus, when Kate tell all the bad things about their adopted daughter, he tries to defend all the more which looks stupid to the audience because he thought she's just not going well with all the trying-to-relieve-herself thing. Think about how it would looks like if the adopted girl is actually normal child. I'm pretty sure that if I were in the position of the husband, things would have gone the same way.
Yeah I completely agree with you. I’m glad I’m not the only that feels this way
Yeah the husband gets a bad rap
People forget that Kate is a known alcoholic who almost let her daughter die from drinking
Known alcoholics always have a million excuses
She didn’t go to AA which would’ve have helped substantially
The husband was trying to make up for his own mistakes and not let his wife succumb to her drinking which would hurt another child
The more times you watch the better because there’s so much to unpack and evidence of the husbands “dense” nature
Ohhh I agree
It's a lot easier and a lot more accepted to just hate on husband characters in horror-esque movies, especially when their wife seems like their going through a tough time and the guy is kind of tired of it all.
Clearly we see that Kate has a ton of issues and she did basically nothing to try to actually fix those issues. Going sober alone isn't enough when you're still suffering through trauma and need thorough mental help.
It is also kind of ridiculous that she wants to adopt a child to help move on from having a stillborn when she already has 2 other children that she should clearly focus her love towards, because who knows how much those kids lacked motherly love when she was an alcoholic and hung over her stillborn child.
Her husband tried to max sure she was ready to adopt, he's the one keeping her from relapsing on alcohol addiction and yes while he made a mistake in the past (10 years ago from what we heard) he's actively trying to be a good father and supportive husband. It's only after she assures him that she wants to adopt, then starts to get paranoid that he starts to lose faith in her. People argue that she has a reason to be paranoid, and while yes she does, he is also being manipulated by Esther since he is never present when Esther chooses to cause issues, which is the entire point.
So yeah, I feel like people are just giving this man too much shit when in reality he's seeing things from the eyes of someone being manipulated, meaning he is forcibly made to be completely oblivious. But side character husbands are usually made to be complete assholes in most horror-esque movies so I get why people jump to the conclusion that he is one.
Yes Kate is our main character, but she is also a shitty person who has trauma because of her shitty actions, and somehow we're suppose to sympathize with that? Idk man
Agreed. Kate wanted the adoption because she wanted to somehow get rid of the guilt.
Vera Farmiga is so ridiculously underrated...
Ikr she’s so underrated;(
Yes she’s my fav
She is so beautiful and incredibly talented!
I don’t know who to be more angry at:
A therapist being manipulated so hard
Or her own husband buying hard into Esther’s gaslighting
I know right even if you can overlook the husband being an idiot the therapist shouldn't have been fooled so easily
Also which therapist gives u a verdict after 1 session? All my teachers in psych class told me it takes a while to build a good rapport with the client, & even more time to get to know them properly...
I'm angry at both. I mean the husband I can sort of forgive by being fooled by Esther but Kate's therapist should have seen right through Esther's manipulation.
Both my parents were therapists before moving on (It's a really depressing job), and seriously. Therapists should have been very hyper aware of things a psychopath would do/say.
Remember she was just a child therapist. Esther has bested actual criminal psychologists before. And the therapist was given all the fake documents from her past therapies as an orphan, so she wasn't doing a full psychoanalysis or anything, just a checkup to see how well she was getting on as an adoptee.
"i mean even if she is technically 33, she's you know, physically still tiny. just pick her up and move her. very easy to overpower her." i was absolutely floored halsdkhflasdf i was working while watching/listening to his and i had to stop working to laugh, good heavens, i love foundflix so much!!!
Ah, we call that the old “Why don’t they just kick the shit out of Chucky?” argument.
Right it’s not like she took ju jitsu or something, I can’t imagine her being that strong. Her arm was broke too when she killed pops 😬
He was stabbed in the back first, I would think that'd be a bit jarring.
Moments like these have me wondering if I can shove my fingers in like lion claws and pull until the target is in halves.
"I'm four times as tall, three times your weight, and about a hundred times stronger than you, you short homicidal maniac. Tell me how did you expect this to go except to be torn apart when you didn't bring a shotgun?"
Some of y’all sounding like creeps a little bit here lol
One of the reasons I love Baby Doll as a villain in Batman. Especially in the episode with the mirrors, where you see who she's meant to be, who she is inside. She just breaks down and Batman hugs her, it's really sweet.
Yes! I was just thinking of their connection with the disorder. I'm happy I wasn't the only one
Yeah, but fortunately, for baby doll. while she was never taken seriously at least she had like an established identity and sort of feeling of belonging when she was on the show. Leena had nothing except her monster of a father
The part that scares me the most is that there’s actually a real life story where something like this actually happened.
Really ?!!
@@quintinbrass9439 yes the movie was based on a true story
@@ganja5602 Wow.. that's interesting & adds another factor of creepyness. Which case was it based on ?
@@quintinbrass9439 the barbora skrlova case
Except no it didn’t. The parents in that story are blatantly lying because they don’t want to care for a disabled person.
“He died like he lived..Like a chump”
...wise words.
i want to like this but it's at 666 as i'm typing this
Love that the actor who plays Esther goes on to play Clove in The Hunger Games and be even more of a psycopath. But seriously, this movie was great with a gripping story and interesting characters.
The actress who plays Ester also plays a character in The Hunger Games?!
@@wisconsinking323 yeh shes the girl who has her teeth filled to look like shark teeth
@@churrosmcgee624 she’s cool
@@churrosmcgee624 No, that was another character who only appeared in Catching Fire. Isabelle Fuhrman (who plays 'Esther') plays Clove, the District 2 tribute who loves to use knives and was killed by Thresh at the Cornucopia (in the movie, she's the one who gets repeatedly bashed into the wall while screaming for Cato).
@@churrosmcgee624 ???????? No? Youre talking about Enobaria, who was played by an adult black woman. How did you get her confused with a white teenager??? Also theyre not even in the same movie?
It would have been a much better movie if they actually told the backstory of Esther to make her a sympathetic villain. That would make it a more complex movie. Also at the end, it really sucks they showed her die for sure. Come on now, this had a huge potential for sequels.
They made us sympathize with Kate way too much, it wouldn't be a good payoff if she didn't kill her.
@@cerebrxll6064 You sympathized with her? I was waiting for Esther to kill her the entire movie lol
She goes with another family.
They’re working on a prequel
that is why there is a part 2. dont be excited.
John: gets killed
thankfully nothing of value was lost that time
"One of those signs of a serial killer I think" you say as I sit here thinking "Yeah, little bastard shouldn't have shot it if he wasn't gonna end it"
That's what I was thinking! Granted, the way she killed it was pretty violent, but at least she was putting it out of its misery. I'd be worried about the boy who shot it. Of course they made it seem like he didn't know badly the bird was going to be hurt, but the parents shouldn't have let him have the gun without teaching him not to shoot at any living things. He was the one who killed the bird, Esther just made sure that it didn't suffer.
Well I think his reaction shows that either he didn't really mean to hit the bird or didn't fully realize the gravity of the damage it would cause. The cold heartless reaction from Esther on the other hand shows her cruel mind.
That being said, I blame the parents more than anything for giving him a gun to shoot without supervision.
You should keep in mind that he's still a kid... He probably didn't think about what it means to shoot at a bird with a paintball gun. He probably didn't think one second about the consequences. And I think he didn't shoot the bird for the sake of it but more out of anger about Esther. And let's be honest - even adults do stupid things and only realize what they did when it's too late. I think he was just venting off. Sure it doesn't excuse what he did, not at all, it clearly is a bad way of dealing with your emotions - and it doesn't mean the parents weren't responsible because they should have taught their son to never aim at animals or other humans. But it doesn't mean that he has any problems. He's clearly upset after he realized what he did and he feels guilty. Seems like a pretty normal and healthy reaction to something like that.
Esther on the other hand is the stone faced killer and you can totally see that she doesn't kill the bird out of compassion but for pure fun. And come on... Crushing it with a stone? You could've just snapped its neck... If you are so worried about the bird suffering you should pick some cleaner method to end it.
@@SinginVampireBlog yeah I feel people miss the fact that she showed no actual care for the bird but almost did it as a manipulative pull for dominance over the siblings.
@@SinginVampireBlog I think it should also be pointed out that he had a small paintball gun, probably with the knowledge that it wasn't really going to do any harm if he did hit someone by accident. It would hurt, yes, but unless he was really unlucky, or a really good shot, there wouldn't be more than a bruise. Of course, it's more deadly on a small creature, but if your only concept is "small paintball gun is basically harmless", a child isn't really going to consider that the difference in a bird's anatomy would do so much more.
That movie poster always creeped me out and I heard they mirrored the picture of Esther to make it unsettling
It worked if they did.
Now that you mention they mirrored it I can’t unsee it
I’ve had that as my wall paper for like 10 years. Lol
I used to run away whenever I saw it😅😅
@@temporaryaccount6325 Are you okay? Do you need help?
Ester whispers into Max’s ear “to shoot mummy” but Max is deaf, so how does Max understand the threat?
and some ppl can read lips
@@chrisgomez1840 Ester is standing behind Max, so no Max didn’t read her lips but as VannyDazee said if she had her hearing aids in, she may have heard Ester
The hearing aid
@@freeflowpoetitflows that works too but yea
@@chrisgomez1840 people*
I distinctly remember this being a movie my grandmother hates, she made it known whenever I was watching it. Basically she found it disgusting for a child to act that role. 🤣
U watched the movies more than once? 😂😂
Honestly it's the same reason why I dislike this film and will never watch it again. I don't approve of children being in such films. Especially this one that had a scene of a child actor playing a role of trying to seduce a grown man. Not to mention the character Max and all the shit the actor had to be exposed to. Not saying child actors in horror can't be good, or that I hate them all, but I definitely am not crazy for it
i mean she was right
Tbh that’s fair
I remember when they first revealed that she was a fully grown woman, the feeling of how shook I was because I just didn’t expect that.
This dude is perfect for when I don’t want to deal with 2-3 hour stories
I still watch if the movie looks good afterwards.
@@A_UA-cam_Commenter both of you are right
How about watch it and enjoy the twist and story, naturally
@@MarioBario some people can still enjoy the twists even when they know them.
@@MarioBario no lmao
"Calling her self different"
Me, immediately: She's not like the other girls
This is one of the cases where it’s true; she has ASPD (Psychopathy) and has an extreme form of dwarfism.
@@lailadobb9221 yea doesnt dwarfism like mess up your back
Being a high school teacher honestly feels like being Kate sometimes
I am sorry you have been treated liked that. You have one of the most important careers in life. Thank you for what you do for your students. I hope someday they will remember all that you did for them.
@@eugeniaskelley5194 You are wonderful-thank you. I feel like most people feel the same. I adore my students, but a few of them can be manipulative, badly. Thankfully, the good ones outdo the ugliness of the bad ones, easily ❤️❤️
I’m a bit late but i’m sure you’re great. I don’t know you but thank you for giving kids an education. Teachers are so important, you are appreciated and i’m sure there are kids who look forward to seeing you.
Our highschool teachers were terrors so nobody can act like Esther
Honestly after rewatching this movie I realize that with Esther because she is different she feels frustrated that she is stuck in this little girl body and cannot prove to others that she is an adult. And because it is hard to explain this without people looking at her crazy which is probably how she ended up at a mental institute. And her infatuation with having a dad or having a man around is her knowing that she lacked having love with another man in a romantic way and not in the fatherly way
She was also abused by her dad that left her for a real woman
@@salmaabdullahgb it's really sad mixed up trauma, having a father doing stuff he's not supposed to do and then having that same person make you feel less of woman with his words. Took her innocence and her confidence
Why is it always patriarchs tho?
@@shaniaa7477 exactly that
Exactly like the Baby Dahl villain from the animated Batman series. Except Esther is way crazier.
She moves in.
Her previous family died in a house fire.
Her bully brake her own leg.
The nanny responsible for her disappear and end up dead.
Their son who constantly rip on her who looks 12 wet his bed.
The mom stops her car on a downwards slopes and get out without pulling the hand beak with her deaf child in the car.
Their son then gets hospitalized from a fire in the treehouse they were in.
Husband: THeRE iS nOThinG WrOng wiTH thIS cHiLd yOU aLchoHolIC
1:how do you think people become orphans there parents die, a house fire isnt that unusual
2:two people say the bully fell on her own I probably wouldn't think she pushed her either
3:ya that's suspicious but if your first thought after that is the child must've killed her you are pretty weird
4:kids wet there beds maybe he had a nightmare
5:that mom also almost had her kid drown while she was drunk and was supposedly drinking recently
6:I'm pretty sure they didnt know she was in a tree house, maybe he was playing with a lighter kids are dumb.
Basically the mom was acting like an abusive alcoholic and the dad clearly had trust issues due to her past drinking.
@@why-qz6zq You seem fun.
@@why-qz6zq you’re fun at parties , are you?
@@L4zY_RaT but the original comment was poking at the fun of the movie..
@@L4zY_RaT stfu, you're mad there's packs of evidence.
Ah yes.
Tings i learned from horror movies:
Be paranoid
Live alone
Have weapons
Trust nowone
Stay sane
Be an introvert
Get/have money
Dont be a jerk
good plan my dude
I’m embarrassed to admit that Esther was the face of my “not like other girls” phase in high school. 😂
LoL why didn't you tried Regina George though
@@chrolloiscominginsideme188 cauzd why
@@chrolloiscominginsideme188 I've always felt like being sassy/mean is sorta halfway and lame. If you have to be "bad", at least have the balls to be outright psychotic and murderous lol.
this is the channel i go to when i can't bother search through a bunch of movies
And deadmeat!🙂
Right? I’ve actually paused some of his videos to watch the movie because it seemed really good.
*searching, not search
@@DresdenShuffle Here just an case someone gets offended and calls you a grammar nazi
ye , it takes LESS (brain power, time, anxiety, effort) to watch someone explain a movie instead of us watching it. I mean at least this way it's not just some random lazy youtube binge and instead a lazy youtube binge (that is efficient).
I remember the ending differently I thought she lived ... getting dressed and putting her makeup in her bed room covered in wounds singing and the police waiting for her
yeah I remember that too
I remember this ending as well, and I’ve only seen this movie once.
For a few moments, I thought:
'Oh, boy! We got us some more Mandela fuckery afoot!'
Lol
I remember this one too, butni thought maybe I'd remembered wrong since its been like 8 years since i saw the movie 😂
Here's a couple deleted scenes and the alternate ending: ua-cam.com/video/xJg2jEZMt3g/v-deo.html
Bro, that little girl would have been faded if she has picked the flowers she was specifically told NOT to mess with
damn ester tried to kill max and the nun, its like trying to kill 2 birds with 1 stone but u can only kill 1bird so you try to emotionaly minipulate the bird that survived into doing your dirty work just holy shit
Who remembers the real life couple who adopted this girl and then they left her cause they found out she was actually a woman in a child’s body .I forgot what the name of the parents and adopted person were
OH RIGHT
yeah it was Natalia Grace. that story's wild
@@manguy4227 yes wonder what happened
@@zoeda9350 some people say the parents faked it and were abusive, since no one knows her real age. i don't really believe that though, since i think even their biological kids were hurt? i dont remember all the details lol. regardless i believe the parents
@@manguy4227 that story was crazy
Such a unique movie. Not ghosts, no monsters, just the mindfuck of an adopted daughter
Really weird how this movie is getting a prequel and they intent to have the same actress from the first movie return for her role as Esther
Bruh she prolly an adult now how they gonna make a prequel for her?
@@adankmeme651 she’s secretly an adult at the end tho so it could work!
Really?!
Oh wow for real?
Why not
Further on how much I love this little girl. The original script called for Esther to be very Little Bo Peep with blonde hair and pin curls and pastel clothes, but Isabelle Fuhrman hit it so hard that they rewrote the appearance. And she did great!
One hint that Esther wasn't as young as she claimed, was her obsession with the song "the Story of Love", which was a clue that she wasn't actually a child, since it's a song that most children that would be the age Esther was passing herself off as, wouldn't have likely heard.
Nah, it cld be that somebody played for her on a record player or something 🤷♀️
Definitely not true. I was listening to '50s music when I was a kid and I was born in the '80s.
@@englishatheartI never said it was proof, I said it was a hint. I have no doubt every child in your neighborhood was obsessed with "The Story of Love". It just didn't seem to be the case with any of the young people my daughter hung out with.
@@mish8183 I said it was a hint, I never said it was proof.
Also when she played a piano song perfectly
This movie probably turned off a lot of prospecting parents looking for an adoption.
The adoption agencies freaked out over it. They tried to cancle it before cancle culture was an epidemic and trendy.
yeah, I think it did
Its a shame in a way given i was adopted from a abusive family and not to mention after my ex died from liver failure and transplant rejecting. On top of my biological son i adopted exes daughter after her dad rejected her. Most kids who are adopted are often very loving and kind natured. Who only wants a family of their own and to be accepted by said family.
I'm now terrified of teenage girls
There have been so many others too. The one with Maculey Kulken and Elijah Wood creeped me out too. The Good Son?
I remember seeing this and feeling so bad for little max 🥺
The first and only time I’ve watched this was about 10 years ago and I still remember everything this amazing to me. Truly left me scarred
Movie: **hands the camera a bloodied baby in a nightmare sequence**
Foundflix: What do I do with this thing?
I love his dry humour so much
"No thanks. I'm vegan."
I actually learned that this shit actually happens... We deal with it a lot in Psychology.
Woah, i can adopt nympho midgets?
*Edit - I realize that sounded creepy, I am of course referring to adult midgets.
Yeah I doubt that
That’s disgusting... where?
I want a nympho midget lol.
@@DresdenShuffle They're out there, I just didn't know you can adopt them.
@@mightytaco123 Bruh stop.
This is one of my favourite psychological horrors and I had no idea they're making a prequel, oh my god, I bloody love this
One of the things that I remembered from this movie, other than Esther, was the ending where the mom breaks Esther's neck when she kicks her in the head, leaving her to drown in the lake.
Stood out to me the most.
She went on to another family at the end so I don't know why people think she died. It's the actual ending
@@kieshiacranor4896 that's the alternate ending, not the theatrical one
I was confused to why the comments were disabled for a second. Glad there back!
Most likely youtube saw Esther and thought she was a kid so youtube took away the comment section thinking this was made for kids. And foundflex must have youtube studio and used it to turn the comments section on
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@@abcd-oh2te their*
I thought he disabled them because it borderline depicts a kid trying to score with her stepdad. Even though in the movie she's an adult, you don't know how UA-cam reacts.
@@renamon5658 that’s a good theory! I just thought he did it lol
This was the first R rated horror movie I snuck into , I though it was gonna be a slasher like Friday the 13th this blew my mind and scared the absolute shit out of me ! Ahhh good memories !
same! i was so amazed when she revealed herself i couldnt believe it
One of my favourite films as kid. Dad looks baked in every scene.
💀
Honestly with regards to the prequel, Isabelle Fuhrman definitely has a baby face and hell, there are snapchat and TikTok filters that can make you look really young or really old. Really the only edits they would have to make with regards to the actress would be her height, hiding her curves, and fixing the lighting/shadows, all of which a first year film student in high school could do given enough time and instruction.
This movie was released during a drought of good horror. I was so surprised my mom and I both liked the film. I see a lot of people online referencing the film on occasion and it seems that most people have a positive view of it.
Funny how Esther dolls up to make the dad fall in love with her but it didn't work while Esther in the Bible was chosen to be queen for her beauty
Esther in the bible also wasn't a manipulative mental patient.
@@CrabJelly5225 lmfao
@@CrabJelly5225 Fair point
Maybe it didn't work because dad thinks Esther is a 9 year old girl? This is such a strange association to make.
@@tyf.5111 I don't think it's weird, I think it's the actual comparison we as an audience are supposed to make.
1-Is say that kick alone didn’t kill her since she has the body of a child it likely broke her neck and she drowned
2-it is a fact the husband got what he deserved. He held his own wife to her issues and ignored the fact he had an affair. It depends On how you slice it on which is worse but both of those aspects don’t make for a happy marriage . It also doesn’t help that he was blind to the fact she was doing it on purpose.
I also love the portrayal of the long term psychological effects on a human being and the outcome of the entire situation.
Very good job by the creators of this film
When I learned she was 33 years old that scene made me slightly less uncomfortable, because on initially watching the scene I really did almost vomit. That kind of thing makes me sick.
As it should 😌
@@BeedotWill I'm sure they know that. They were referring to the character not the actress.
@@BeedotWill "slightly less" meaning they are still uncomfortable.
@@BeedotWill they are
Max is quite strong, she went through so much and is still so calm and such… shows bad things happening don’t mean you have to become weaker, but rather stronger.
this was a CHILD it would be normal for them to freak the fuck out
Also people dealing with traumatic thing making them hurt and vulnerable so stop with the idea pain making people stronger
@@stinky6521 Yes
@@evanderzufarsetiawan2511 Yeah i hate peole saying that. Like she was a child why should she be stronger in anyway.
if i felt bad for anyone throughout this entire movie, especially the end, it's definitely max
That backstory of Esther is really sad and you kinda feel bad for her a bit even though she's a psychopath. The only guy she'd be able to be with is somebody who's attracted to children, which is rough, especially considering her own abuse. Looks like a good movie, even knowing the plot now I still may need to watch it.
The plot twist on this movie was insane!
This movie was amazing! Maaaaan the part when she took out her teeth had us all in the theater like "NO WAAAAYYY!" This flim is a must watch.
Does the orphan really need a prequel? I hope the prequel won't contradict events form the first film. I also wonder if the wealthy family is the same family that died in a fire or a different family? Edit the prequel is very good.
Need? No. Do studios like money? Yes.
@@longliverocknroll5 i fear that orphan: first kill will suffer the same fate as Brahms the boy 2
I think it does but thats only because of what i was reading about this movie. Apparently leena's back story is suupppperrrr fucked.
@@daddysatan9154 That’s fine, but shoe-horning in a 24 year old woman as if she was supposed to look like an oldish 9 year old (seriously forgot she was supposed to be fucking 9 until I checked lol) is just insanely dumb
@@renamon5658 i was so pissed at boy 2. Grrr
I love how you have been the same thing for years at the same quality but you just get more and more subs. Props bro, you deserve it, you make great content.
"Just pick her up and move her" I died lmao
Esther's biggest mistake was trying to kill the mother and daughter after she was found out instead of escaping. (yes she was crazy) Esther tried to act innocent after she try to kill the mother, but the mother broke her neck and her body sink at the bottom of the lake.
Because Esther wanted to have a clean break... she constantly pulls this con and if she leaves survivors her gig is up
@@SuperJutah She failed at this and she also tried to act like a child again even though she was found out and murdered the mother's husband. Crazy killers tend to make mistakes.
I love how Guitar Hero really shows what years this is from
Orphan is legit my favourite movie. I've seen it so many times and it's still just as good as the first time round.
I have to say, as Ester suppose to be Russian or something similar, her behavior, way of dressing and how she eats is not so strange considering her "age".
Now we need an Ending Explained for “The Orphanage”!
I remember that film freaking me out when I was 5. 14 years later I'm a horror fanatic and still haven't touched it again
@@goreman7160 I remember my mom watching it while I was on the computer. She paused it a couple of times because of how scared she was.
Alot of my mom associated memories are horror related. She was a big horror head when she was alive and i sort of grew up on it
Love that film, it was sad tho. But the husband there was better than the one in this one. 🙃
Whats scary is the adopted daughter getting it on with the foster dad trope actually happened in real life. The movies story wouldve hit too close to home if esther and the dad actually plotted kates murder
a similar case would be woody allen and his now wife🤢
in the Philippines there is The Maguad Siblings.
It happens a lot in real life. Woody Allen legit married his adopted daughter
I am an estonian and it feels good to be represented in movies and other media, because we are a small country and are not very well known by alot of people.
Do you think Isabelle Fuhrman did a good Estonian accent as Esther/Leena?
@@oncerand_directioner To be honest she sounds more Russian than Estonian
@@ploom4475 Interesting. I remember years ago watching a behind-the-scenes interview of the movie where Isabelle talked about working long hours with an Estonian dialect coach to really get into the character
I love this movie. Such a classic. Isabelle Furhman is one of the best child actresses I’ve ever seen.
A FoundFlix upload, you say? Why yes, I WILL drop everything else I was doing
Hahaha I relate to this too hard 😂
Always
Homework? Nah
Isn't it a law or something?