Flick Forehand: The Hardest Shot to Master? (TB EP. 02)
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- Опубліковано 12 чер 2024
- A lot of people claim that a forehand flick is one of the hardest shots, if not the hardest shot to master. A lot of feeling and relaxedness is needed, but this video just might be the more technical solution that you are looking for.
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Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
01:21 - KP1: Over the ball
02:54 - KP2: Is head height an issue?
04:43 - KP3: Don't straighten the elbow
05:29 - KP4: Acceleration at point of contact
07:28 - KP5: Don't carry the ball
10:13 - KP6: Touch low, stay low
11:30 - KP7: To step or not to step?
12:35 - Outro
Excellent fh flick learning video! It refreshes my memory and will put them back into practice as I still struggle with certain very heavy short underspin serves that looks like mediocre one.. btw I am a c-penholder. Looking forward to your future table tennis learning videos, many thanks Olav & Luke!
Interesting subtle details, haven't seen those in any other forehand flick video yet. Keep it up Olav!
Great videos, first videos that includes all the key points for serving
Can we hit Luk harder next time 🙌🏻 ❤
Great video! A ton of quality information in only ~10 mins
Good video with a lot of details. Thanks you !
i would add to get in the position to do it a little antecipade would be a good point. sometimes people get late ot this kind of ball and can't peform well because of lack of antecipation
Great video. Love the detail. Can you do a video on the backhand flick.
Thank you for the valuable in-depth information. Looking forward to see what you release in the future. May I know what equipment you use?
Seriously Olav, these videos are absolutely killer, videos like this are super rare, id say that these rival PechPong, probably my favorite english speaking youtube coach 😂. I say that because Coach Emratthich and Coach Ti Long are my top two table tennis coaches when i comes to chinese technique and strategy. If you havent heard of those three id recommend taking a look at some of their videos for inspiration and please for the live of god upgrade your mic ASAP! That is my one and only gripe about your videos, the echoy mic. Anyways, incredible video as always (of your two vids so far 😅) i am glad i found this gem of a channel so early in its creation, i cant wait for it to grow and for you to provide even more tips and tactics!
Thank you very much Bryan! I understand the frustration about the sound. I tried to work the echo away as much as I can, but if I would've gone any further, the video would've sounded like it was recorded in a fishbowl. Good news though: my mic is already bought, paid for and ready to use! However, I already recorded TB EP03 before that, so there will be one more video with similar audio before there's improvement.
goed dat je hier een video over maakt, fh flick is niet zon gemakkelijke slag
My flick is a lot more powerful with a focus on adding more hip rotation into the shot. This allows a more relaxed stroke.
Thank you Olav, i like your very understandable explanations, to complete the keypoints i would have added , 1 how the leg move forward under the table 2 how i have to use my waist when i touch the ball. Your videos give very good food for tought
Thank you! You're right, I maybe could've explained a bit better how the coordination of stepping in precisely works. What do you mean with the waist though? I get that the shoulders play a key role (and that you have to guide with them, but you can't lean too much on one side), but I don't really get what you want me to point out about the waist...
@@OlavKTTT i belive is the waist the guide the shoulders, like i m doing a small top spin , so the rotation of waist will help me to give more acceleration and power when i touch the ball , i can fix the movement better contract the abdominal when i touch the ball , it means less risk to have a wide contact with the ball and last if i make a small rotation of the waist i will be in a better balance with my legs to move back for the next shot, is just my point of wiew coming from what we try in the training.
I think I understand what you're trying to say. The importance of core stability is, in my opinion, something that too many people underestimate. People who play a forehand flick and move from up to down or generally aren't stable enough, maybe don't focus on their core enough to stay compact. However, the hip/waist acceleration that is necessary with a forehand topspin, is not really required for a flick. You don't really 'push off' your dominant foot when performing the movement. If anything, you keep your weight on that foot the entire time, until it's time to go back for the next ball + your lower body generally moves/turns as little as possible with a flick. You need to be positioned correctly beforehand, and at that point your feet and hips are pointed a certain way, depending on where you want to play.
I already had something in mind about a video where I discuss how your core stability is essential in e.g. your middle, but maybe I could expand that concept a little bit more, who knows.
@@OlavKTTT if you give me an email address i will send you a video we will do in the gym to show better what i mean , thanks
Hey, great video! I had a doubt. Should we contact the ball at the highest point or when it is rising up?
Thank you! I'd say the highest point is ideal.
nice guide ! keep the good work guys
going with a little of sidespin is actually one of the most common techniques along the proplayers, cause you aren't giving that litttle topspin rotation so if the rival go very straight like a flat hit or a topspin with very close angle, the ball will go on the net. you're completely right about that the "sidespin flick" or no spin flick it more hard to do, than the normal flick going a little bit upward. This just an opinion with no intention to harm, pls keep it up with uploading this great content!
(Long answer incoming)
You're right in a way, that's why I added the sidenote at 02:27.
Nevertheless, I believe it is important to distinguish:
- A sidespin flick that is done on purpose
- A flick where the wrist acceleration isn't correct but where the player also goes besides the ball (not on purpose, but because of bad technique).
Lin Gaoyuan's forehand flick is an excellent example of the first kind. Even guys like Alexis Lebrun or Darko Jorgic are, in my opinion, examples of players who don't always get the wrist acceleration right and belong to the 2nd group.
I'm not too convinced that too many players do this 'dead' forehand flick on purpose and that they became creative with this shot they almost never use. I rather feel it is more a case of neglect of the forehand flick over the years, because the banana flick was more and more being used.
Some ex-coaches of mine were of the older generations (for example Alexey Smirnov, Bojan Tokic) and they couldn't stress enough that the first thing they pay attention to, is going over the ball. And they used a forehand flick all the time, not like nowadays, where it is barely being used anymore.
Hope this clarifies some things.
@@OlavKTTT i agree totally with you, and you're totally right. The technique that you teach is the correct and more of the old school (what it's a clean and power fh flick), but like you mentioned before, this common fh isn't very used today, because of the modern game is focused on flicking all the table with bh and all the stuf. I usually prefer on dead balls or with low backspin balls to flick the ball like almost pushing the ball, so the ball isn't backspin or topspin it just flat over the way so you have to push it back and high or make a topspin more slowly, because of my gameplay that it's more of blocking on change phases. keep it up boddy!
@@OlavKTTThow make flick if serve with topspin?
thank you! can you a clip on 5th ball attack?
I have some ideas for similar concepts (for example how you shouldn't forget to step back after a first ball if you want to properly play the ball afterwards), but not really the 5th ball on its own. Maybe that would be something you're interested in?
@@OlavKTTT sounds good 🙏🙏🙏
Contact point on the ball, did you go through that here? - Great instructions, anyway
Yes, but I put the focus on how to accelerate correctly at the point of contact
Video on Match tactics please...
There are some specific videos coming up in this series (for example how you can play at your best when you're being passive), but I will also be making a tactical series with videos on 1 specific match. They are longer, because I watch (almost) the whole match, but maybe worth watching. First video that will come up: the match where Alexis Lebrun beat Fan Zhendong!
@@OlavKTTTwow I can't wait for that video analysis I've watched that match at least 5 times and tried to study their tactics but they just evade me and whenever I'm in a game I just find myself overwhelmed wondering why nothing I do is working.
Backhand flick
free luke
Never.
the question is thou do u really dare to flick solid to heavy underspin balls with FH in a match, as seen on ur flicking on his serve u had only 50% luck and in a match its even harder where u dont know whats coming and where, going around to banana/bh flick is usually much safer and only FH flick rather empty or topspin balls
Good question! I disagree on some parts and here's why:
First of all, a heavy flick forehand on a serve like the examples I've demonstrated (when Luk just fed me them in the short FH), is not so clever. As you said, that's too risky because of the match situation, because you're not so familiar with the rotation of your opponent's serves,... The flicks I did on the service (the one you're referring to with the 50%) would be the upper speed limit with which you should play a flick forehand on a serve. At least, that's my opinion.
If you're too hesitant with your flick FH, you'll drag the ball too much. This can lead to you absorbing too much rotation and therefore making more mistakes. If the ball would come on table, the quality might not be good enough and that would give an opportunity to your opponent to finish the point. A certain quality/speed is necessary in a FH flick, besides good placement.
It's always better to be able to do both. People who rely on 1 thing too much will get exposed when your opponent knows how to vary well. If your opponent would see you coming in with a banana flick on every short serve, he would vary placement or serve a few times long before going back to his 'normal' serves. If you can do both a flick FH and BH, you don't need to rely on having to move extra and step in for a BH flick every time the serve is with topspin. You can just wait, see where the ball is coming and react accordingly. Not only can that help with your short receives, but also with your receives on long serves.
Probably get a microphone next time. A bit hard to hear
Forhand drive / tops, please )