McLaren in HUGE TROUBLE After Red Bull's SHOCKING ACCUSATION!
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- ▶︎▶︎ Red Bull have found a way to investigate into the advantage that McLaren have gained over the past couple of races, and it seems to be one of the most bizarre ways if the Austrian team manages to prove the FIA that the Woking-based squad have gained a lot of performance in an illegal way. While many were focused on the looks of the cars, especially the bodywork as well as the front wings, McLaren has played in a bit of a gray zone with the brakes, and Red Bull has noticed this and sent an immediate report to the governing body of the sport. But with the FIA deeming the solution legal in the last two races, is there any truth behind these accusations and if so, how big of an advantage can McLaren gain through this ‘innovation’?
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Complaining is just a way to verify if FIA allows the “innovation”, if FIA confirms it is not against the rules the complainant and other teams can implement the same on their cars.
Innovation and F1 'generally' dont belong in the same sentence. There is no "innovation". As soon as a team comes up with something new and it gives them an advantage, there are 9 other teams running to have it banned.
@@junkiexl86 while your're not wrong in some specific examples such as DAS, innovation is still massive in F1 - each car is different, with different innovative designs.
Name of the game is not to say your rivals are cheating. They just want to find out if it is legal so they can maybe apply it themselves. I have to say F1 is more enjoyable now that the grid is getting closer together.
All the other teams cried about the double diffuser and then about the blown diffuser. It's all part of the game. They banned Bernie's fan car just because it was fast. If RB have seen something in those ducts, it's obviously something and if it ain't banned, you can bet the RB20 will have those holes next race.
the problem at Silverstone with RB during the first stint was the car setup, you could Max clearly hear the Front Wing needed an adjusting of about 3 or 4 clicks, that's a lot. Had they used the correct setup, he wouldn't have lost so much time and his tires would have lasted longer. The inter stint he was the only one not forcing his tires as much compared to both Mercedes and McLaren that was something you could see further in the stint. Then the last stint was amazing, he was as quick as the McLaren of Piastri driving a compound harder Lando was super slow Lewis was in luck RB made that critical error in the setup at the start of the race. But I am not complaining, it did make it a great race to watch.
I don't like to take things personally with people.. but Zak brown is not good for f1 . He's going down the American way of talking any crap at all just to get airtime for sponsorship.. IMHO..
Makes sense, if RB did this theybwould be investigated too
Yes, break duct that is uncovered will give Mc Laren more laptimime because air will channel through the break duct easily and it will create an outwash there increases speed.
Redbull in the past was very good at catching cheating competition. Remember Ferrari cheating with the fuel flow?
At least their better as Mercedes who accused Redbull and failed several times
Mclaren improvement suspicious .
Agreed… I’m liking the closer racing but out of nowhere McLaren has gained what? .5 sec on Verstappen in his best car?
If the duct is deemed legal… RB will slap them puppies in their ducts and then they’ll watch McLaren from the Honda RB side mirrors lol
Redbull crying when they are losing
to be fair (I'm not an RB fan btw) they all do it, McLaren, Williams, Ferrari are well known for it along with Red Bull and Mercedes these days. if one has an advantage, the others all club together to try and peg them back, innovation is becoming harder and harder in F1.
Every team does it. Don't get why people act like it's only the team lead teams who loose some performance
Stop acting like RB is the only team in the history of F1 that cries when they are getting caught
@@salt6717 you must be new to F1
Red Bull (get the spelling right) are not losing. Still in front of the constructors and drivers companionships. All teams do this. It’s called competition. If they get the driver line up right they will win it all. Love a close completion. It brings out the best in everyone.
"McLaren was better on low fuel because of the lighter weight of the fuel." ???
Imagine that!
😂
When the essay has a word count:
Mclaren running negative mass fuel.
If all of the complaints about Red Bull from other teams over the last few years were legitimate, then so is Red Bull's complaint about McLaren.
They were actually. But FIA has specials rules for Mercedes. Most noteworthy Mercedes had figured out a mechanical active suspension, dropping the rear ride height as soon as the car straightend out after a corner. Giving massive advantage. Merc's overtaking other cars with the same merc engine like they had 120 more horsepower. The FIA looked away based on the color of the skin of a certain driver. It is disgusting and racism at its purists. O and don't forget the DAS system which was super illegal and the definition of actively changing the wheel alignment while driving, which was clearly stated as illegal. Again the FIA looked the other way because well, you know why.
HUGE TROUBLE... SHOCKING just SHOCKING... I'm SHOCKED, just SHOCKED
“McLaren is doing what we’re doing and it’s not fair!” Horner
Every team does it, stop pretending like Horner is the only one who does it
You newbys should be silent sometimes. Especially if you don't know what's happening and why.
@@hees320 My guy... I was watching F1 before you were born. Tell everyone what is happening, be specific, and use factual data to back up your assertions.
You have only heard of Senna, I watched him race. At least you tried, right?
@@user-jy6ol4xp3m but no one does it more than RB.
@@mineralwater6736 wrong, merc has the most complaints, just because rb just started complaining doesn’t mean that they have done the most
This is F1 if you find a way to bypass the rules without it being illegal I can't see the problem, a multi billion dollar sport why would you not try and exploit the rules to gain an advantage.
Why does the alpine resemble a older f2
Cuz they suck and don’t care
The words " pram, dummy and thrown out" spring to mind because they never thought about it themselves.
Bro u are mixing things up... FIA clarified the rules, and RB now cant use their (illegal) brake valve. They dropped back, not the Mclaren catched up. "That's what happens when you stop cheating! -Max Verstappen 2019"
Yeah something fishy about how fast they gained performance. I've never seen that jump in my couple decades of watching F1.
If these "holes arent supposed to be present during the race the why is covering them gaining an advantage?
Nobody in the real world cares
Redbull won four world championships with Vettell when they had the illegal bendy front wing. It was cleverly designed so that it passed scrutineering checks, but was clearly bending and illegal during the race. All the teams complained, and McLaren would say they were the team with the fastest car and a fixed wing at that time (or words to that effect as I recall - Martin Whitmarsh). Eventually the FIA devised a check that had worked out how the wing was working and it failed the new check at the 2014 Abu Dhabi GP and Vettel and Riciardo ended up at the back of the grid. Horner was quite happy to have won championships by cheating then, and did it again with the budget cap in 20221 and 2022. So currently they have potentially just one legitimate championship to their name, and even that is probably dubious, given their history.
When Ferrari were found to have cheated with their fuel delivery system, Horner cried like a hyena about that and complained that Ferraris cheating had cost them valuable championship points. Of course, Horner didn't have the same values or concerns when his teams cheating cost other teams points and championships. The whole team is toxic, but F1 doesn't seem to really care about that, and if a team cheats to win a championship, the FIA lets it stand. That shouldn't be allowed because there is almost nothing to lose by cheating. It's proven to be great advantage in fact.
@@garyl5128 I mean, at this point which team doesn't act like this?
Horner and RBR werent the only ones running to the FIA about Ferraris fuel advantage lmfao. IIRC, the only team that didn't was Haas. Toto was actually the first to go to the FIA about it.
oh shut it Gary.... the amount of complaining over the last 30 years leaves no top team without their share of complaining and cheating.
Why are you acting like this is some shocking turn of events that had never happened before?
What about the burning of fuel under the car to create down force? Anyone remember that?
NOT in huge trouble....
I swear everytime Red Bull is under threat in the championship they try to complain to the FIA to get there rival penalised
@@mingusthedingus5660 I'm guessing you are new to F1? This has been the lay of the land since day 1. This is something that all teams do all the time. It's not just about making your car quicker, but also about making your competitors slower. Mercedes did the same when RBR got to close and Zac has been dishing out at all other teams close to his. The problem is that Zac has been doing this too much and now he will have to cash the check he didn't want. All teams he tried to one over have a bone to pick with him and he has put his team under a huge microscope. This could only be the beginning of an uphill battle, because now they need to make sure the all is well with the FIA before upgrading and that takes more time. Time is short in F1 and you want to get things right from the start.
Didn't you every watch f1 before last few years ??? I'm 45 years following F1 and this has been the way always. Plus Toto wolf was always doing it.
@@wilcowiersma9465 spot on 👍
@@alcoyne3333333333333 And I just also just hate how Max also complains all the time its never his fualt
Interesting view and this is a take off from the days of the F duct and blown axles. the axles did not provide additional downforce or performance however the Fduct clearly Ross Brawn taking full advantage of a blind spot in the rules. McLaren has done the same in a different area-this is the engineers jobs to exploit the rules and explore grey areas, RB has done the same, they did not have a flexible front wing, they had a flexible nose that still passed all the applicable crash test. Brake ducts are a grey area and clearly make a difference for front end grip
What is that annoying noise in the background all the time, it's very distracting.
4:50 claim they know or cheat ! - no one gains so fast in F1
Me thinks he who complains the most and loudest is the one who cheats the most.
For some reason RedBull seems to be braking under pressure, Max has being making mistskes of his own, checo's garage has had a terrible performance, Bird the worst racing engineer. All the scandals at the beginning of the season. Its definitely the end of an era. Lucky for us that means our sport is back, an it seems that more competitive races are to come.
You don't need the click n
Bait headline 😢😢 👎👎👎👎
Sad comments here about redbull. People only see what they want to see. Open your eyes to the wider world 🌎 everyone does this .. all the time. They are called rules for a reason...
So IF the Duct tape falls off, gets a hole in it maybe melts? Or what if the tape is punctured previously to it being applied to the brake? Or are Redbull doing this already and don't want to get caught.
This is what you get from dishing out at other teams. Zac has been running his mouth and now has to pay the price. RBR is usually more of a gentleman when it comes to these thing. They will ask the FIA if they can put things on their car and if the FIA declines then other teams need to remove it. Zac has put his team under a huge microscope and this is going to hurt the team as the season progresses.
Flashbacks to Ferrari Fuel Flow Gate circa 2019… 😂
What a thing of interest ... now RB not running away in the distance they complain about others cheating ? Sucks teeth !!!
It´s allways like this. As soon as they aren´t the fastest car, they start to complain
yea you right....remember Toto in 2022 wanting the FIA to change the rules because of bouncing, and then threatening everyone to go along with his demands.
@@mickeycaldeira5477 remember horners threts of red bull leaving the sport for like 6 years bc merc and ferrari was better. And when red bull tried to ban every new invetion that mercedes brought. Toto was a little mad in 2022 bc of the porpusing problems, and he was not alone. But Horner and rb was crazy for like 6 years but no one complained about them
So redbull have complained for 2 straight weeks after the FIA said they were okay and are complaining a third one??
Why did Lewis leave Mercedes? I feel like they would never force him to leave and now he's going to 4th-5th place car. Maybe he knows something that we don't know.. but I heard about the Max rumors about looking at Merc seat in the future. I didn't see how that would happen unless Lewis would retire... and the RB would lose it's dominant pace, but what if they know that Max would be willing to join with Lewis gone? I know it seems crazy but with the future Ford motor... Max might not have the faith that the RB will be anywhere near the same pace as they are now. I'm a massive Merc and Lewis fan, so I'm taking these news pretty hard
Red bull be like:🤓☝️ actually its illegal that youre faster than us
@@kubaduczynski frfr
@@kubaduczynski pretty sure Merc did the same with RB last time around, they all do it to each other lmao
@@3beatsprod863 but RB didi it from 2014-2020 until the FIA changes so many rules that helped RB to compete with Merc.
@@mineralwater6736 so proves my point then, they all complain bc they wanna see if they can either get the laws changed or if not they can abuse the law bc they can say ‘you said it was fine’
Can Red Bull not get new Caterers in AGAIN
“RedBull… It gives you Whiinge.”
New fans. It gives you cringe..
A lot of blabla but no answers
Remembering Red bulls little investigation into ferrari cheating the fuel flow sensor , probably since tried to hire that engineer who thought of that hack, Red bull master of laying up carbon fibre in their front wing to fool loading test but flex enough at 180mph.
Red bull has one of the least flexing front wings on the grid. Mercedes are the ones who innovated flexy front wings in the last set of regs
Thinking Hockenheim and Silverstone 2010, those two races sebs and Marks front wings where noticed to be flexing, admittedly FIA didn't deemed them illegal, but obviously they laid up the fibre differently for rest of season.
Red bull do as we say not what we do
Red bull moaning about a bit of tape. They seriously don’t like competition just expect to dominate
It's not moaning.. it making sure your competitors are keeping within the rules. Every team does it ..
Oh look redbull crying again .
FIA cleared Mclaren after investigation lmao😂
1st of all is that "advantage on used tyres" are true but only with yellow ones... Max, a contrary was good on hard ones-which he avoided to use on tracks last year... So, duck tape or something else - HOLES ARE COVERED... nice Nascar move by McLaren 👏👏
New Red Bull rant.
Typical of crybull don't like it if other teams start to beat them & cry cheating unless they are doing it then it's aloud
It's so easy to spot the Lewis fans 😂😂😂
Red Devil car....
typical, typical, typical as a mclaren fan this is the most pathetic excuse to try and win it took 5 years for us to start winning races after 2018 meanwhile red bull have been winning basically everything since 2021 so red bulll stop crying and shut up
Horner believes that Red Bull is the only one that is allowed to cheat. They have done it many times in different ways, for example with the budget cap which gave them huge advantage. When other teams try to close up then Horner immediately starts protesting. Ridiculous
@@PeterGaspar-vm4cb brother you have absolutely no idea about f1
@taku6615 Whenever you see someone making bold claims like this on F1 teams there’s almost a guarantee they’re trolling or they just don’t know what they’re talking about.
Its racing on and off-track, u ever compete?
It's Cheating RB are Cheats
Grow up ffs
Verstappen needs to make the switch to Mercedes end of season.
My god can we block new fans with domb comments somewhere??
Yes, every ignorant have an opinion.
You are two days behind the story. FIA already looked into this and said McLaren did nothing wrong.
A hole thats less then a 10mm big. Really giving massive gain hmmm. Do yall even think before making theses videos?
Do you even think before commenting under these videos?
@@Quayleman Yup when margins are as close as they are everything matters.
Biggest losers team Red Bull 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Cheaters will be caught in the end
RedBull back to crying we see
Standard procedure for every team and every team does it. But you might be DtS fan and don't know this.
Standard procedure, you complain to see what the FIA deems legal or within the spirit of the regulations before you implement it on your own car. This way, when they do implement these changes, they don’t have to worry about checking to see if they’re legal anymore.
You are not good at this.
???
Plucking at straws by RedBull.
I think Max is too far ahead to loose the championship, but i really hope they loose both championships even if it is at the last lap of the last race ;)
FIA have to investigate Max's car more often. Because HOW COME THAT VERSTAPPEN'S CAR MANAGED TO CATCH UP NORRIS AND LEWIS ON HARD TIRES MEANWHILE THEY BOTH ON SUPER SOFT FAST TIRES?????
It’s all politics 😂
What a nasty man,he cant bear loosing
TL:DR : Classic F1 cryfest
"If you've got a problem change your f*cking car"
Christian Horner, the biggest wet wipe in F1
Horner's life on gray area. i never liked jos verstappen but he was right. horner will ruin the team. and probably blame on others like always.
“Horner will ruin the team,” as if he’s not responsible for the teams success along with helmut
@@littletweeter1327 check helmuts role more in the team. Horner is just a figure. Overhyped.
Just pay off the BONESAW SAUDIES…and you’re allowed to cheat! Duh,
This IS F1.
You only complain when things are not going your way, Christian feels the wolves at his heels.
New to the sport I see.
Exactly,
Typical Redbull
Typical Horner
is this not just typical f1? every team cries like this just that redbull has not needed to in a while.
They do seem to do this all the time!
@@andyatkinson9156 Every team does it all the time :)
Red Bull cry like the MAGA cult.
So what does that make the other teams then? Remember when Ferrari got caught cheating with their fuel? I do, and I remember 8 other teams running to the FIA. Toto being the first one. All team complain, its called competition.
no, that is what Zak does (Ferrari fan here).
Bo hoo RedBull,get over it.
Horner the biggest hypocrite in f1
So McLaren drills some holes in the car? Christian Horner is drilling holes in the ladies toilet wall, to check out if there's anything he needs to put his sensor into.
Red Bull cry baby again have thay forgot about the cost cap cheating...... all teams are trying to push the rules,thats F1 !
Cheaters who are looking for other similar people cause they are feeling themselves handsome
I've never liked the Redbull team and this just reinforces it, Horner just finds anything to complain about, Verstappen turns into a rally driver when under the slightest bit of pressure and the team in general just seems like a chaotic mess