yup one of the best days of my life being there. Only memory as good was Binghamton getting on the local news hanging out with Hannah at the pits and then he came over and just bullshitted with me and my friend Dave. god bless MX world's greatest Sport!
Yep the rigs stayed at holiday in in Vestal we'd go down thurs get stickers etc...the last yr of Broome Tioga got reeds plastics from millville week b4 that mud race..still hanging in garage w fmf,thor banners all signed...so fun!!
I could not agree more. People don't understand why though. It is free market vs government control----again. The 1986 production rule (for the USA only, Not Europe, even to this day), and the 4-stroke forced on the industry,----were hostile take overs of this sport that free people built.
Was there that weekend. Was an instant classic of the best era. Noto video sold a VHS of this back then that we literally wore out! Thank you for posting. Sadly Unadilla is nothing like this anymore.
Do they run the track the opposite way now? I’ve been to a few races there about 4-6 years ago and I’m pretty sure they were running the opposite of the direction they were going in this video. It’s too bad that they have brought in a bunch of extra soil and sand and sifted out most of the rocks and till the entire track pretty deep now. Those conditions back in the day were insane!! It looks so slippery with that grass on top and nothing being tilled before the race.
The entire sport is nothing like the greatness it was, and I agree, this was the best year, the year before the production rule. That rule tripled the cost of a bike in 5 years, and a kid could no longer afford one by himself, (where most of the riders came from). This was a the climax of free market racing, and tracks like these made us the best in the world. I can't stand SX tracks today, (designed to keep everybody the same speed), and Red Bud scared the hell out of me in my prime when it was clay. Now it looks like a fun vet track at 58 years old and starting to ride again, (oh yea, my 2019 YZ 250 2-stroke was too tall too),--they all do. It is like the government runs our sport now,---and it is. We need to deport the FIM, and get Roger DeCoster and Grant Langston to run the MX/SX division of the AMA with 100% authority. Jim Weinert too. Nobody from the younger generation until they understand what the sport is about. :)
What do you mean “sadly”? Unadilla is one of best tracks. Especially from a spectators point of view. It’s always a great time when the Nationals are in town.
@@ksut5721 Unadilla is an absolute shadow of what it once was. Yes it looks nice and cleaned up thanks to MX Sports, but the only thing the same is the address. Watch this race or any you can find from inception through ‘92 or so. There is zero comparison. Start is filled in, track os over groomed, man made obstacles (sky shot) that have no business on a natural track, bleachers (are you kidding me?) too many other events that rule out leaving the grass long, etc etc. it’s a long rutted slot car circuit anyMore. Yes the viewing is great, but it is no longer the best natural track in the world. Anyone who was there before ‘92-‘93 knows , including most of the best riders the sport has seen.
@@ksut5721 do u live in that area? I’ve been to a few nationals there and it’s beautiful. I think what he means by “sadly” is just that, as good of a track as unadilla is, it’s prepped exactly the same as every other national track. It used to be way more notorious for how rocky it was and how the virgin soil developed into a very difficult track to navigate. Over the years they have sifted out the rocks and trucked in sand to make it much more consistent and manageable. Tracks today are great…but some of the tracks back in the day were so unique that they were great in a different way.
Yep, and the last big guy I think too. I remember MXA back then, (when it was a great mag), mentioning that he gets more traction. They had a point I think. :) Would love to see him do the Whiskey Throttle Show. I don't know much about him, but I do remember seeing him first do the "back brake in the air" to help drop the front end at the Silverdome around this time.
Whoah, this is the best video quality I've ever seen for an 80's-era MX/SX vid. Hell, I don't know that I've seen one better from the 90's either. Really appreciate you sharing!
@@cbh148 I remember how crystal clear land line phones were, "The next best thing to being there." was the advertisement. Today, the audio quality is so bad, the 1969 moon landing transmissions sounded better. Yea,---they call it progress. Looks like dysfunction to me. Don't worry about artificial intelligence,--it will be based on a moron. :)
@@EarthSurferUSA My parents still have their landline phone, principally because of the insanely better latency & audio quality. Whenever I visit them, it’s truly a treat to use as the response/fidelity is so snappy that the communication through it is genuinely better.
@@cbh148 it's because all of the stuff posted to UA-cam is taken from a VHS tape that were recorded off of one of the Big 3 ABC, NBC, CBS. They have the copyright to literally every reel ever that was made to air on tv back in the day. And they didn't like to share so everything you see is bootleg. I tried to get some of my tape from Supercross in the late 78-84. Tied me up in litigation for years on it. Never got shit from them. I don't have any idea why they hoard it. Doesn't make any sense whatsoever. There's a lot of B roll from these event that I was hoping to get cause it's got me and all my buddy's in our prime and I'd like to make a montage of the choice cuts. We did some things that were never aired that were really special. And no one ever saw it. Not even me or any of the guys performing. I don't get it. I'll try again in a few years. Hopefully they have transferred it all to digital storage by then. You'd think they would have done that by now. 🤙🤠
I never saw this full race before, just clips from MotoWorld. Thanks a lot man. Got Red Bud 1985 by chance? Glover came back from a wild cartwheel off the course and between motor homes, (before Larocco's leap was built). I couldn't believe my eyes there in 85, (my first pro race attendance). Thanks gain. This is too good of a race to miss. :)
For me 85 was the best year for US MX... The last year for real exotic works bikes that us mere mortals can only dream about riding ! It was never the same for me after 85. So glad that l was alive to see these Formula 1 level of MX bikes race.. Thanks so much for this excellent quality upload josephoshirriffs 😃👌
When the FIM invaded and concord our racing. I know a bit about statistics, and it is not possible for all the national tracks, with 12 different land owners, to make the track all similar,---with out force. I wonder if Muddy Creek lost their national date for telling the FIM to get bent? I would love to ask them, and see if I have a valid point for sure.
Omg these were the last days of pure works machines with their exotic metallurgy and trick bits, remember Johnny o maras cr125, his mechanic had it blasting out near 40 HP with his amazing port work and great skill in engine tuning 👍🙏💪 damn rocket 🚀 ship
No. There are still works bikes in Europe. The FIM simply stopped factory development for the USA only because we were smoking Europe. Remember? Yamaha was the manufacture spearhead for the USA 1986 "production rule< but in 88 we see that trick YZM500, and still works in Europe to this day.
Every time I summon up one of these old motocross videos, I'm saying in my head: "Please have a soundtrack that is the actual sound of the motorcycles. Please have a soundtrack that is the actual sound of motorcycles. Please? Thank you for this video.
Is Keith Vohland Max's grandfather or another uncle? Anyway, thanks for the video and I love this era of motocross. Wow, Mike Meyer is a beast on the mike!
Hey kids. Notice the factory riders in the back of those box vans??? Back in the good old days, the rider and his mechanic drove all over the USA in one of those. And stayed in cheap motels in between races. Things have come along way since then.😂😂
I say the Box vans were better for racing. But when the first Big Tig was used by kawasaki, and buddy of mine and I, at the Red Bud national, got a tour of the inside of the trailer, (if we came back when the people thinned out in a hour), so we did it. He left us alone in the trailer, and I was starting to port my own bikes, and there it was. A cylinder marked "LaRocco", sitting on the bench. I pick it up to take a lookie, (just some clean up basically), and in walked Big Mike LaRocco from the cab end of the trailer, and kicked us out.. :) Those were also the days where you did not have to pay extra to go into the pits after the racing was done.
That's fact. Where'd we go wrong? Everywhere. 😂 Into the future. Internet done killed us. 1980's were the best time known to mankind. We will never see it's like again. Rest in peace 🌎
My first race in 84, Midland Michigan on a 82 250 YZ, (was a national there a bit before my time), "Polka Dots" it was called. Michigan did not have a c class back then, and we were on the line with 500's too, one right next to me,-big fat guy. A experienced buddy of mine, (still racing since 76), told me that, "If you hear somebody catching you, don't move over., or you may move into him and take both of you down. Just hold your line and make him work around you.". Good advise. I got 3rd out of the first corner, (beat the fat guy on the 500 too), and did not take one of the 15 guys out who passed me for the rest of the race. :)
If I could get my hands on a time machine one of the first 5 things I would do is go back to the early 80s to spin a few tanks of gas on a fresh unadilla grass track!
Rights are for people that have never said anything original or helpful considering Jesus and Nikola Tesla were not allowed them in a way the inventor of nylon was suicided right after his discovery because he did not want nylon to replace hemp .
@@robertrishel3685 Same age, I was dating a stunning brunette named KAREN 😂 had a suzuki gp125 two stroker with an all speed expansion pipe 🙏she did near 85mph laid flat 💪great days with great people and just about everything was better and food was affordable, cheap gas at the pump ⛽ 👍
@@troyengland511 They are all the same sandy soil---and look like fun vet tracks to me. The 4-stroke is part of the problem. The EPA and FIM made sure they were faster, (upped the displacement from 400/426/459) so the racers would have to choose it. Well, when you pit a faster engine in something to race, the track has to get faster. We get our buts kicked by the Euro's because the tracks could not be more redundant. They do get big ruts though. Suspension is not set up for bumps much anymore I bet,--just big landings. I hate the racing today, the bikes, the tracks,--they were all forced on us,---and that should piss you off.
Lived between Dilla & Broome Tioga Funny story 85' My bro. Came late so waiting....we see this guy dragging a cooler laughing cuz hes strugglin bad...about 20' away its this bald guy...my bro had long ass hair...someone yell its fuckin mike!! Got in free headed right for pitts..they shaved his head he has 12 autographs all over his new dome...they hooked him up w cooler full of Hams keg cans little half keg lookin cans! jersey gloves We got pics somewhere hanna,ward, o show autos!! funniest thing ever esp cuz we watched him stuggle w that cooler up back hill He got us backstage skynyrd,when nj won stanley cup in 95 we followed him into private party with players and cup cellabration...miss that guy no one like him!
MAN I REMEMBER THIS IT WAS THE BEST YEARS OF OUR MOTOCROSS SPORT AND A FULL 45 MIN MOTOS ITS A REAL MANS SET UP AND A FULL GRASS UNTOUCHED COURSE
yup one of the best days of my life being there. Only memory as good was Binghamton getting on the local news hanging out with Hannah at the pits and then he came over and just bullshitted with me and my friend Dave. god bless MX world's greatest Sport!
Yep the rigs stayed at holiday in in Vestal we'd go down thurs get stickers etc...the last yr of Broome Tioga got reeds plastics from millville week b4 that mud race..still hanging in garage w fmf,thor banners all signed...so fun!!
This is better than the current offering.
Motocross was so much better then than modern day motocross
I could not agree more. People don't understand why though. It is free market vs government control----again. The 1986 production rule (for the USA only, Not Europe, even to this day), and the 4-stroke forced on the industry,----were hostile take overs of this sport that free people built.
Damn, 85’ was a Hell of a year MX and otherwise, to be 19 again
Love hearing Larry Myers again. Classic Motocross
Was there that weekend. Was an instant classic of the best era. Noto video sold a VHS of this back then that we literally wore out! Thank you for posting. Sadly Unadilla is nothing like this anymore.
Do they run the track the opposite way now? I’ve been to a few races there about 4-6 years ago and I’m pretty sure they were running the opposite of the direction they were going in this video. It’s too bad that they have brought in a bunch of extra soil and sand and sifted out most of the rocks and till the entire track pretty deep now. Those conditions back in the day were insane!! It looks so slippery with that grass on top and nothing being tilled before the race.
The entire sport is nothing like the greatness it was, and I agree, this was the best year, the year before the production rule. That rule tripled the cost of a bike in 5 years, and a kid could no longer afford one by himself, (where most of the riders came from). This was a the climax of free market racing, and tracks like these made us the best in the world. I can't stand SX tracks today, (designed to keep everybody the same speed), and Red Bud scared the hell out of me in my prime when it was clay. Now it looks like a fun vet track at 58 years old and starting to ride again, (oh yea, my 2019 YZ 250 2-stroke was too tall too),--they all do.
It is like the government runs our sport now,---and it is. We need to deport the FIM, and get Roger DeCoster and Grant Langston to run the MX/SX division of the AMA with 100% authority. Jim Weinert too.
Nobody from the younger generation until they understand what the sport is about. :)
What do you mean “sadly”? Unadilla is one of best tracks. Especially from a spectators point of view. It’s always a great time when the Nationals are in town.
@@ksut5721 Unadilla is an absolute shadow of what it once was. Yes it looks nice and cleaned up thanks to MX Sports, but the only thing the same is the address. Watch this race or any you can find from inception through ‘92 or so. There is zero comparison. Start is filled in, track os over groomed, man made obstacles (sky shot) that have no business on a natural track, bleachers (are you kidding me?) too many other events that rule out leaving the grass long, etc etc. it’s a long rutted slot car circuit anyMore. Yes the viewing is great, but it is no longer the best natural track in the world. Anyone who was there before ‘92-‘93 knows , including most of the best riders the sport has seen.
@@ksut5721 do u live in that area? I’ve been to a few nationals there and it’s beautiful. I think what he means by “sadly” is just that, as good of a track as unadilla is, it’s prepped exactly the same as every other national track. It used to be way more notorious for how rocky it was and how the virgin soil developed into a very difficult track to navigate. Over the years they have sifted out the rocks and trucked in sand to make it much more consistent and manageable. Tracks today are great…but some of the tracks back in the day were so unique that they were great in a different way.
A lot of screaming fans for JoJo! He was one astounding privateer.
Yep, and the last big guy I think too. I remember MXA back then, (when it was a great mag), mentioning that he gets more traction.
They had a point I think. :)
Would love to see him do the Whiskey Throttle Show. I don't know much about him, but I do remember seeing him first do the "back brake in the air" to help drop the front end at the Silverdome around this time.
Jo Jo awesome 👍
Whoah, this is the best video quality I've ever seen for an 80's-era MX/SX vid. Hell, I don't know that I've seen one better from the 90's either. Really appreciate you sharing!
I agree!! Some of the youtube footage from the early 2000's is worse, almost unwatchable.
@@craigdavies8099 Yeah what’s up with that? You’d think it’d only get better quality as the tech progressed but the early 00’s vids really have a dip.
@@cbh148 I remember how crystal clear land line phones were, "The next best thing to being there." was the advertisement.
Today, the audio quality is so bad, the 1969 moon landing transmissions sounded better.
Yea,---they call it progress. Looks like dysfunction to me. Don't worry about artificial intelligence,--it will be based on a moron. :)
@@EarthSurferUSA My parents still have their landline phone, principally because of the insanely better latency & audio quality. Whenever I visit them, it’s truly a treat to use as the response/fidelity is so snappy that the communication through it is genuinely better.
@@cbh148 it's because all of the stuff posted to UA-cam is taken from a VHS tape that were recorded off of one of the Big 3 ABC, NBC, CBS. They have the copyright to literally every reel ever that was made to air on tv back in the day. And they didn't like to share so everything you see is bootleg. I tried to get some of my tape from Supercross in the late 78-84. Tied me up in litigation for years on it. Never got shit from them. I don't have any idea why they hoard it. Doesn't make any sense whatsoever. There's a lot of B roll from these event that I was hoping to get cause it's got me and all my buddy's in our prime and I'd like to make a montage of the choice cuts. We did some things that were never aired that were really special. And no one ever saw it. Not even me or any of the guys performing. I don't get it. I'll try again in a few years. Hopefully they have transferred it all to digital storage by then. You'd think they would have done that by now. 🤙🤠
I was there that weekend. It WAS amazing, got autographs from almost everyone.
WOW .. GREAT COVERAGE .. EPIC RACE .. ..
I never saw this full race before, just clips from MotoWorld. Thanks a lot man. Got Red Bud 1985 by chance? Glover came back from a wild cartwheel off the course and between motor homes, (before Larocco's leap was built). I couldn't believe my eyes there in 85, (my first pro race attendance).
Thanks gain. This is too good of a race to miss. :)
Proper motocross.
Wow great quality footage!! Listen to those bikes!!!
Amazing memories right here!!! Awesome!
For me 85 was the best year for US MX... The last year for real exotic works bikes that us mere mortals can only dream about riding !
It was never the same for me after 85. So glad that l was alive to see these Formula 1 level of MX bikes race..
Thanks so much for this excellent quality upload josephoshirriffs 😃👌
When did they start tilling the entire track? Unadilla is NOT what it used to be…those conditions were gnarly back in the day.
When the FIM invaded and concord our racing. I know a bit about statistics, and it is not possible for all the national tracks, with 12 different land owners, to make the track all similar,---with out force. I wonder if Muddy Creek lost their national date for telling the FIM to get bent? I would love to ask them, and see if I have a valid point for sure.
conquered
Week before theyd pay kids to walk and pick the big ones and clean cans for 2 days after looked like woodstock burnt cars bikes tents grills
@@SJKLR99 that must have been a good time back in the day!
I have been looking for the his race for years.. thank you
What a beautiful sound!
Omg these were the last days of pure works machines with their exotic metallurgy and trick bits, remember Johnny o maras cr125, his mechanic had it blasting out near 40 HP with his amazing port work and great skill in engine tuning 👍🙏💪 damn rocket 🚀 ship
No. There are still works bikes in Europe. The FIM simply stopped factory development for the USA only because we were smoking Europe. Remember? Yamaha was the manufacture spearhead for the USA 1986 "production rule< but in 88 we see that trick YZM500, and still works in Europe to this day.
@@EarthSurferUSA Donkeysmell
Every time I summon up one of these old motocross videos, I'm saying in my head: "Please have a soundtrack that is the actual sound of the motorcycles. Please have a soundtrack that is the actual sound of motorcycles. Please? Thank you for this video.
Had no idea USA network televised motocross back then. Compare that to the crap that's on that network now...lol
Thanks for posting this Joseph.
Jo Jo
Is Keith Vohland Max's grandfather or another uncle? Anyway, thanks for the video and I love this era of motocross. Wow, Mike Meyer is a beast on the mike!
I know it sounds like he's saying Vohland but, it's actually Kieth Bowen.
@@whizwerx Oh, well that does change things, LOL... thank you for the clarification!
Awesome racing! Oh the memories!
The commentary, 👌💯🤙 Bring it back
Hey kids. Notice the factory riders in the back of those box vans??? Back in the good old days, the rider and his mechanic drove all over the USA in one of those. And stayed in cheap motels in between races. Things have come along way since then.😂😂
I say the Box vans were better for racing. But when the first Big Tig was used by kawasaki, and buddy of mine and I, at the Red Bud national, got a tour of the inside of the trailer, (if we came back when the people thinned out in a hour), so we did it. He left us alone in the trailer, and I was starting to port my own bikes, and there it was. A cylinder marked "LaRocco", sitting on the bench. I pick it up to take a lookie, (just some clean up basically), and in walked Big Mike LaRocco from the cab end of the trailer, and kicked us out.. :) Those were also the days where you did not have to pay extra to go into the pits after the racing was done.
Big Rig
Half helmets and a Jofa....the Good Ole Days.
Carlsbad was bad ass to!!
Americans were winning everything back then including all the road races as the Japanese were catering to the US motorcycle market in a big way
That's fact. Where'd we go wrong? Everywhere. 😂 Into the future. Internet done killed us. 1980's were the best time known to mankind. We will never see it's like again. Rest in peace 🌎
Wardy always blew my mind, he may be small in stature but damn he manhandled those 500’s.
Honda Works Bikes..RC 250s whoop up on all bikes.😎👍
What a beautiful sound 😘
No groomed tracks in the day!!!
Rocks!!
No jumps either
Keller literally opened the door to lose his positions? But he kicked some butt no doubt about it.
Great times in Motocross
Ahhhhhh real motocross!!!
Yup reminds of millville I was on a 84 kx 250 c ridder 😁
My first race in 84, Midland Michigan on a 82 250 YZ, (was a national there a bit before my time), "Polka Dots" it was called. Michigan did not have a c class back then, and we were on the line with 500's too, one right next to me,-big fat guy. A experienced buddy of mine, (still racing since 76), told me that, "If you hear somebody catching you, don't move over., or you may move into him and take both of you down. Just hold your line and make him work around you.".
Good advise. I got 3rd out of the first corner, (beat the fat guy on the 500 too), and did not take one of the 15 guys out who passed me for the rest of the race. :)
I was saying watching mini os last week and said Deegan rides like Hannah when he is behind and i still stick to that!!
Bones! Great video thanks for posting
If I could get my hands on a time machine one of the first 5 things I would do is go back to the early 80s to spin a few tanks of gas on a fresh unadilla grass track!
what they have done with that track?
It is still run today for Lucas Oil Pro MX. 50+ years of racing
@@philipmiller524 but this is not exactly the same place, is it?
@@mosigrosi same track, same location.
The only thing the same is the address. It is barely a shadow of what it once was. Glad we got to experience when it had soul.
Was the best track in the world back then
Am I the only one
That sings “ podcast podcast podcast podcast poddd cast pod pod podcast” lol
Look at how chill the cops horse is at 15:04
So this is where Weege got his soundtrack for his podcast.. XD
I should have left this leaderless manless swamp hell country in the 80s .
Or lead it. :)
I was first canceled in kindergarten so none of this bullshit is new to me but the people are much worse.
Rights are for people that have never said anything original or helpful considering Jesus and Nikola Tesla were not allowed them in a way the inventor of nylon was suicided right after his discovery because he did not want nylon to replace hemp .
Just the sound alone.....
Pure GOLD!!!!!
Wish i was there now in the ole time machine, imagine the price of a burger 🍔 and coke 🙏👍
@@ianmangham4570 me too! But I’d rather be back there at the age I was then, at 19👍👍. It was a great time!
@@robertrishel3685 Same age, I was dating a stunning brunette named KAREN 😂 had a suzuki gp125 two stroker with an all speed expansion pipe 🙏she did near 85mph laid flat 💪great days with great people and just about everything was better and food was affordable, cheap gas at the pump ⛽ 👍
@@ianmangham4570 good times man! 100%.
Back in the day the wore shoulder protection and way less shoulder injuries!! And look at today!!
Rocks the size of baseballs!!
@@SJKLR99 Hell boulders!! Lol! I miss the old Carlsbad track..the old tracks were narrly..Unadilla was also a lot nar back in the day!
Hey Bob, In China, if you're one-in-a-million, there's still 1,500 of you......
No individualism allowed under communism son. They are all the same in the dictated thinking,---or else.
I need the intro as my ringtone
Haha and a 2 stroke sprizer no dam AXE!!
Great video
Bring back the old style track ! The track today is becoming a man made outdoor super cross , as all of them are. 🥱😕
In general the outdoor tracks now are the best they have ever been in all aspects but I do think dilla should be like this again make it proper dillia
@@troyengland511 They are all the same sandy soil---and look like fun vet tracks to me. The 4-stroke is part of the problem. The EPA and FIM made sure they were faster, (upped the displacement from 400/426/459) so the racers would have to choose it. Well, when you pit a faster engine in something to race, the track has to get faster. We get our buts kicked by the Euro's because the tracks could not be more redundant. They do get big ruts though. Suspension is not set up for bumps much anymore I bet,--just big landings. I hate the racing today, the bikes, the tracks,--they were all forced on us,---and that should piss you off.
450
@@EarthSurferUSA every tracks soil looks different feels different and rides different. A modern pro track is not a easy vet track thats for sure
W dilla you can add the fri/sat t storm and sun humidity...brutal !!
🤘
Gravity Cavity baby, you either know or you don't !
Intro had me like: podcaaaast podcaast...
Dey be rippn!
Lived between Dilla & Broome Tioga
Funny story 85'
My bro. Came late so waiting....we see this guy dragging a cooler laughing cuz hes strugglin bad...about 20' away its this bald guy...my bro had long ass hair...someone yell its fuckin mike!! Got in free headed right for pitts..they shaved his head he has 12 autographs all over his new dome...they hooked him up w cooler full of Hams keg cans little half keg lookin cans! jersey gloves
We got pics somewhere hanna,ward, o show autos!! funniest thing ever esp cuz we watched him stuggle w that cooler up back hill
He got us backstage skynyrd,when nj won stanley cup in 95 we followed him into private party with players and cup
cellabration...miss that guy no one like him!
Damn. I can't make sense of your funny story. Your writing is pretty hard to understand.
Did he say Hannah was 37?.he was 28-29.
Are suppose to search for it? They were pretty good friends. He knew better.
its an all AMERICAN show
Podcast, podcast..... LoL
Just thinking same
This video is awesome but the announcer is awful.
That is the Legendary Larry Meyers. You are awful.
@@EarthSurferUSA Grow up.
That's Larry the legend, cheer up ya miserable git 🤣
@@ianmangham4570 he's annoying and you know it.
The constant shouting is bloody awful!! Never heard him like this before.