For all the dudes who measure their self worth by bragging about whatever super-machine they get paid chump change to run for some rich guy instead, here's why Haas is taking over the market: 6:00 Watch what Mark does around 6:00. He pulls out a notepad, and writes down a customer's suggestion... I don't care what you say other machines can do if I don't need the capabilities, certainly not at their price point. What I do care is if a company is actually concerned for and is 'listening' to their customer. I care that a company will actually put a price tag on their machine instead of deciding if I'm 'worthy' enough to buy it. When my business grows to where I'm able to diversify into manufacturing, for what I have in mind in developing? I can tell you that it's going to start with a Haas. Not because it'll be the best machine in the world, but because they're a better company.
This whole video is GREAT, but I favored 20:28 and the "Probably" answer! Mark is the real deal and not an actor, HAAS couldn't ask for a better rep! :)
6:50 if the rep pulls out a notepad (or phone or anything else to jot it down) the moment you bring up a suggestion, you know you have a good company on your hands.
If anyone at HAAS reads this, can you please program your machines to yell at the machinists if they crash it? Something like "Whoa, that was smooth. I cost more than you make in a year, and you do that to me? We'll see who they keep around"
Next Gen controllers do have the M130 command that you could program a video to pop up if a certain alarm came up, ie a spidle torque or axis fault. I will look into doing this on my machines once we get them set up in December.
@@walterwolansky2685 I know, I was just making a joke. I've done a lot of stupid shit on the lathe and mill. It was nice that I'm the only one who knows XD
Great video. When Mark said "once you cross the line with 5 axis it s real easy" and compared it with probing I was able to totally relate to it. I haven't done any 5 axis machining/programming yet but always found it might be difficult. But now I feel a little encouraged. Great stuff guys
One of my favorite things about John and watching his videos, is he asks the right questions. Stuff that no one else thinks of until it’s an afterthought.
"Unique feature" John next time your at a show make sure to get an demonstration of the CAS system on the Okuma Mills and Mill/turn machines. It won't let you crash at all if the jaws and the part is defined correctly in the setup sheet. It has saved many people from having brown underpants moments including myself.
Really?! First I have heard of this - and that is EXCELLENT. I don't know why more (all?) machine tool builders don't allow that. The machine could easily be "model aware" and thus avoid jogging into things - or at least slow down/warn...
We have this on Matsuura Also - A light Camplete Module shipped with the machine, won't let you jog into anything - aka realtime collision detection! GF Mikron also has this function on the MILL P series.
I work with both a Okuma Multus B-300W and a B-400W from 10 years ago, and both have this "CAS" system, you only crash the machine if you want to. They also have live tool monitoring and it warns you if a tool is no longer cuting correctly. HAAS is just claiming they invented the wheel, when we clearly had cars since a long time ago!
Great vid. Props to Haas. I know folks who say that there are more rugged, more sophisticated and more Expensive machines available but I have run these , crashed them, ,,..and they still work! Some don't get the pm at proper intervals. But user friendly, program conversationally..and will hold tight tolerances.....you most likely will see of these American made machines in alot of higher production shops.
Half the battle is trying to find a boss who is willing to teach as well I struggle to find places willing to teach and there isn't much education here
@@electro740 That's the experience I've had at the shop I'm at now, they would rather bring in cheap labor and refuse to teach them so they can keep paying them low. Their are people who are lazy but it seems these people are kept because they can pay them low and replace them if they quit.
Awesome video John! I seen you there the first day of the show. I live near Chicago and that was my first time going to IMTS. I seen you walk around with your camera and instantly recognized you from watching your channel. I appreciate the conversation we had and keep up the awesome videos and your knowledge to the manufacturing community. Cheers!
This would be an amazing feature for machining classes. Especially at the high school level. Im in a senior machining 3 class in Montana and last week one of the other students in the class managed to ram the tool holder into his part because the tool was shorter than the depth of the hole he was pocketing. Luckily he was machining wood, but if it was steel or aluminum it could have been a disaster.
Okumas CAS is software-driven, all virtual. It won't save you from setup errors like bad tool offsets or zeros, or bad info in the tool library. This is something different, its detecting the physical contact. It's a good idea, it will probably get better.
How do they work in stainless steel ? Can you do +/- 0.01 tolerances in it ? Asking because in switzerland we mostly use DMG and i have never worked on something else.
Hey John. I was told that using a ceramic coating like IGL Wheel Coat inside the glass door will work awesome. Way better than rainx and last longer, more chemical resistant and since it turns into a slippery glass it doesn't mix with coolant
The other day on one of our mazaks, i accidentally re started an EIA program from the wrong point, and it did not pick up a height offset, so as soon as I hit start, it did a rapid full speed Z move right into the vice. Smashed the tool, but the machine sensed the problem and errored out, and stoped just like this. I have never used any other machines but the mazaks, this video seems to suggest to me that most machines would just have kept pushing and broken themselves? This feature is being shown as a fairly new thing to haas?
It seems like in USA they only know the "40 taper". HSK (or Capto even better) are superior but probabily they cost a bit more because of the double contact wich requires very high precision
@@StefanoLinguanotto Did you hear him say, "it's a $15k option."? That's like a 15% cost increase. That's why other machines are 2-3 as much... Because they have all those other options that really only make a difference in certain situations. 15%/$15k price increase is a lot of money. Is $15k for HSK worth it? That's a decision that is different for every person.
I do not think so. Often the weakest point of the machine in terms of rigidity is the tool holder. HSK makes it possible to drive higher cutting values, which saves money. In addition, the cutters last longer because micro-vibrations are reduced and the surface finish increases. And even if you only mill aluminum in light cuts HSK is better, because the spindle expands at high speeds and an SK40 pulls into the spindle -> Z value of the tool changes indefinitely. This is why HSK tool holders are also used in micro-machining, where the overall rigidity of the machine is always given (for example HSK-E25)!
The cost of going to a show like this is tremendous for a company like HAAS. Unless there is some special deal they get the floor space alone could be around or over a $100,000. The cost of moving, setting up, tearing down and transport back must be HUGE. The cost for the salesmen, technicians and the like is also big. Just mind boggling what it would be to go to a show like this. I used to go to a show for the company that I worked for and it was only a 10 X 20 booth and it cost $10,000 for the booth alone. For us though that was the biggest cost. But sell a dozen at the show and a few dozen from the exposure at the show and it all pays off really nicely. Cost of big business.
these trade shows have enormous entry fees and they almost certainly worked something out with vendors like this, these things need some infrastructure to work
Probably a stupid question, but for crash avoidance, why dont the try to sense electrical contact and pull back if unexpected? It could be resistive check at first and maybe capacitive later. Cant sense much faster than with electrons.
Nope, if the machine "senses" the touch it is too late to stop, what you need to do is to calculate the turret momentum/inertia and the distance needed to stop, the safe mode makes the G0 slower, decreasing the momentum/inertia so the machine have power enough to react.
This reminds me of the stall guard feature trinamic stepper drivers have for 3d printers and tiny CNC machines. Basically they don't need endstop switches since they can detect a stall/crash and auto-stop. I'm sure it's a lot easier to do it with something with so much less force behind it like a 3d printer though.
would a high precision electric load monitoring with super high sample rate of each stepper motor amperage be able to create a force feedback jogging wheel and/or sense of force for the machine?
Great job. Next time, review this and count the interruptions and non words (uh, yah, right, etc.) as distractions. Great job. Keep up the work and remember quality control of audio.
HSK doesn't do much for protecting your spindle. I've had my operator put -10" offset on Z instead of -.10, stopped it, sent it home and the heat shrink mounted tool hit a cross member and completely tore the tool holder out of the spindle and ruined the hydro-chuck clamping system. Now, spindle speed, that's another situation, I can run the spindle at 24k and still have another 6k worth of overhead if I got the holders balanced for that RPM range.
There are other (Japanese and Euro) machines that already have the load sensor on them for when you are Manually operating the axis and crash it to prevent damage to the machine. Its about time that Haas finally did this. Now the question is what does it do during actual operation. I don't think I have seen any that actually prevent some sort of damage to the machine 100% of the time. Still very cool and the more widespread it is implemented the better this technology will get across the board. Case in point I believe this is the first time I have seen a machine reverse. All the others I have seen that detect load just stop and shut down both the spindle and travel. I have to say had they of had this tech when I bought my Brother I would have given Haas a stronger consideration. Not enough for me to want to walk away from the Brother but if I was doing it all over again from scratch this would have made the cut list. To be honest the Haas machine was just too tall for the garage door frame (all brick frame) I had back when I got my machine but since that isn't an issue on my new house...
I'd be all in on Haas if they would stop with the push button overrides and go to dials like everyone else and they need to put the tool release button on the front center of the spindles housing so your not always loading / unloading tools with left hand.... and lose the tool release on the panel...i call that button the "probe killer"...
Yet, the probes Z offset can be wiped by using the clear offset table mode, which is useless if you have the probe package. How ridiculous is that??...I shouldn't have to mention this, but you need a lock for the probe Z in the offset table.
I've found the new design 5 axis machines do better at evacuating chips as they have a deep trough under the trunnion table and also the slide ways are above the work area on the 5 axis gantry type machines so less chance of way covers and slides getting clogged with chips..HMC's are rigid but unless you get a 1 meter travel or above then chip evacuation is terrible. I like the new Bridgeport 5 axis..pretty sure it's made by Quasar in Taiwan and it has a Detron brand trunnion.
That's not really crashing.... I have done like ... the last time I changed tools holder and I forgot to retouch the tools and running that .. the tools holder hit the part and fixer and the hole machine jump up and the spindle broke
As Owen said, it's not working that way, but the machine still does know tool stick out if you've already set it...either manually or with the tool probe.
HURCO SUCKS!! HAHA - Just Kidding. Only ran 2 different Hurco machines in my 30 years. They were nothing special, but they ran ok. I am not a fan of any conversational controllers that do not have the option of ISO/EIA programming. It ends up making your machinists dependent on one machine tool maker. There are different machine tool makers that do certain things better than others. A good shop will have different machine tools in their shop for different purposes. I am a huge fan of HAAS machines, but they are really slow in comparison to some of the German and Japanese machine tools. We have a Deckel Maho 5 axis that runs at 2000 IPM rapids standard and it is extremely rigid. Makes the HAAS look like a child's toy. However, for overall value (bang for your buck) nothing really beats a HAAS machine. Not to mention they have the best service in the business. Reasonable priced parts and labor rates. I have also ran quite a few Mori-Seiki machines which are the cadillac of the machine tool world in my opinion. Using Cam software to program and then just switching post processors for different machines is a real time saver.
I just love to hear Mark talk, he is such a friendly and talkative guy who really knows what he is talking about.
I got less than half of what he was saying...but I loved every minute of it!
The level of knowledge Mark has on the machinist trade in general is downright impressive. By far my favorite person to watch in this trade!
For all the dudes who measure their self worth by bragging about whatever super-machine they get paid chump change to run for some rich guy instead, here's why Haas is taking over the market: 6:00
Watch what Mark does around 6:00. He pulls out a notepad, and writes down a customer's suggestion...
I don't care what you say other machines can do if I don't need the capabilities, certainly not at their price point. What I do care is if a company is actually concerned for and is 'listening' to their customer. I care that a company will actually put a price tag on their machine instead of deciding if I'm 'worthy' enough to buy it.
When my business grows to where I'm able to diversify into manufacturing, for what I have in mind in developing? I can tell you that it's going to start with a Haas. Not because it'll be the best machine in the world, but because they're a better company.
absolutely
Haas is not taking over the market lmao
@@gusmcgussy3299 - You are right, they already have. Highest selling machines on the market.
I depends on the parts you make. If a haas does the job why not ?
@@gusmcgussy3299 you cant take over a market you already own
This whole video is GREAT, but I favored 20:28 and the "Probably" answer! Mark is the real deal and not an actor, HAAS couldn't ask for a better rep! :)
6:50 if the rep pulls out a notepad (or phone or anything else to jot it down) the moment you bring up a suggestion, you know you have a good company on your hands.
Mark Terryberry is such a good public relations guy.
Mark Terryberry is a great teacher.
Much better than that other stick in the butt guy
If anyone at HAAS reads this, can you please program your machines to yell at the machinists if they crash it? Something like "Whoa, that was smooth. I cost more than you make in a year, and you do that to me? We'll see who they keep around"
Rofl it should have also the ability to hit him back.. Ofc proportionally to the entity of the damage ahahaha
Next Gen controllers do have the M130 command that you could program a video to pop up if a certain alarm came up, ie a spidle torque or axis fault. I will look into doing this on my machines once we get them set up in December.
Says the perfect man.
@@walterwolansky2685 I know, I was just making a joke. I've done a lot of stupid shit on the lathe and mill. It was nice that I'm the only one who knows XD
@@Braeden123698745 smooth like gravel
Haas needs to include that feature in next year's F1 cars.
This comment deserved a lot of likes.
Great video. When Mark said "once you cross the line with 5 axis it s real easy" and compared it with probing I was able to totally relate to it. I haven't done any 5 axis machining/programming yet but always found it might be difficult. But now I feel a little encouraged. Great stuff guys
One of my favorite things about John and watching his videos, is he asks the right questions. Stuff that no one else thinks of until it’s an afterthought.
Crashing a Haas? Was Romain Grosjean there?
ZING!
Muahahah ;-0
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"Unique feature"
John next time your at a show make sure to get an demonstration of the CAS system on the Okuma Mills and Mill/turn machines. It won't let you crash at all if the jaws and the part is defined correctly in the setup sheet.
It has saved many people from having brown underpants moments including myself.
Really?! First I have heard of this - and that is EXCELLENT. I don't know why more (all?) machine tool builders don't allow that. The machine could easily be "model aware" and thus avoid jogging into things - or at least slow down/warn...
We have this on Matsuura Also - A light Camplete Module shipped with the machine, won't let you jog into anything - aka realtime collision detection!
GF Mikron also has this function on the MILL P series.
I work with both a Okuma Multus B-300W and a B-400W from 10 years ago, and both have this "CAS" system, you only crash the machine if you want to.
They also have live tool monitoring and it warns you if a tool is no longer cuting correctly.
HAAS is just claiming they invented the wheel, when we clearly had cars since a long time ago!
Mazak has this also , probably quite a few manufacturers have it
Great vid. Props to Haas. I know folks who say that there are more rugged, more sophisticated and more Expensive machines available but I have run these , crashed them, ,,..and they still work! Some don't get the pm at proper intervals. But user friendly, program conversationally..and will hold tight tolerances.....you most likely will see of these American made machines in alot of higher production shops.
Can you imagine what we could do if even 50% of the workforce had the excitement and wonder that John has?
Half the battle is trying to find a boss who is willing to teach as well I struggle to find places willing to teach and there isn't much education here
@@electro740 That's the experience I've had at the shop I'm at now, they would rather bring in cheap labor and refuse to teach them so they can keep paying them low. Their are people who are lazy but it seems these people are kept because they can pay them low and replace them if they quit.
Awesome video John! I seen you there the first day of the show. I live near Chicago and that was my first time going to IMTS. I seen you walk around with your camera and instantly recognized you from watching your channel. I appreciate the conversation we had and keep up the awesome videos and your knowledge to the manufacturing community. Cheers!
Great tour! Props to Mark for being an awesome rep.
wooow... two of my favorite youtube viedo channels joined together!.... feels like when the Finstones met the Jetsons!...
This would be an amazing feature for machining classes. Especially at the high school level. Im in a senior machining 3 class in Montana and last week one of the other students in the class managed to ram the tool holder into his part because the tool was shorter than the depth of the hole he was pocketing. Luckily he was machining wood, but if it was steel or aluminum it could have been a disaster.
Chuck out the collision avoidance on Okuma, it's a few steps ahead of this.
Okumas CAS is software-driven, all virtual. It won't save you from setup errors like bad tool offsets or zeros, or bad info in the tool library. This is something different, its detecting the physical contact. It's a good idea, it will probably get better.
MOP tool overload can be used to do this.
But will it prevent you from spinning your Haimer at 5K?
I run 3 Haas machines, and love what they do for me. (Mini Mill, ST10Y, ST15 and I've had an ST10.) They changed my company
How do they work in stainless steel ? Can you do +/- 0.01 tolerances in it ? Asking because in switzerland we mostly use DMG and i have never worked on something else.
This show was absolutely phenomenal! I missed imts 2020 but haas definitely had one of the best booths for sure!
Hey John. I was told that using a ceramic coating like IGL Wheel Coat inside the glass door will work awesome. Way better than rainx and last longer, more chemical resistant and since it turns into a slippery glass it doesn't mix with coolant
The other day on one of our mazaks, i accidentally re started an EIA program from the wrong point, and it did not pick up a height offset, so as soon as I hit start, it did a rapid full speed Z move right into the vice. Smashed the tool, but the machine sensed the problem and errored out, and stoped just like this. I have never used any other machines but the mazaks, this video seems to suggest to me that most machines would just have kept pushing and broken themselves? This feature is being shown as a fairly new thing to haas?
HSK made in Germany by "Diebold" around 1996.
It stands for "Hohlschaftkegel" which means hollow-shank-taper. ;)
It seems like in USA they only know the "40 taper". HSK (or Capto even better) are superior but probabily they cost a bit more because of the double contact wich requires very high precision
@@StefanoLinguanotto Did you hear him say, "it's a $15k option."? That's like a 15% cost increase. That's why other machines are 2-3 as much... Because they have all those other options that really only make a difference in certain situations. 15%/$15k price increase is a lot of money. Is $15k for HSK worth it? That's a decision that is different for every person.
Honestly, if you need HSK or capto in a machine *for the extra rigidity*, you're looking at the wrong machine to begin with lol
I do not think so. Often the weakest point of the machine in terms of rigidity is the tool holder. HSK makes it possible to drive higher cutting values, which saves money. In addition, the cutters last longer because micro-vibrations are reduced and the surface finish increases.
And even if you only mill aluminum in light cuts HSK is better, because the spindle expands at high speeds and an SK40 pulls into the spindle -> Z value of the tool changes indefinitely. This is why HSK tool holders are also used in micro-machining, where the overall rigidity of the machine is always given (for example HSK-E25)!
Andrew Delashaw i thought he was saying 15k rpm
Terryberry! YAY!!! He's the best! Surprise cameo. :D
The cost of going to a show like this is tremendous for a company like HAAS. Unless there is some special deal they get the floor space alone could be around or over a $100,000. The cost of moving, setting up, tearing down and transport back must be HUGE. The cost for the salesmen, technicians and the like is also big. Just mind boggling what it would be to go to a show like this. I used to go to a show for the company that I worked for and it was only a 10 X 20 booth and it cost $10,000 for the booth alone. For us though that was the biggest cost. But sell a dozen at the show and a few dozen from the exposure at the show and it all pays off really nicely. Cost of big business.
Robert Palmore Have a look at the Mori stands in the eu shows. I couldn’t imagine what they cost
@Vladgorod7 It is possible to "tax write off" a company right out of existance.
these trade shows have enormous entry fees and they almost certainly worked something out with vendors like this, these things need some infrastructure to work
I was at the show and talked to haas, their floor they paid a premium because it was right at the front entrance, they paid 1.5M a day for their spot
You have to grease the union electricians and such to get anything done as well. Benjamins are flying out everywhere!
Great stuff. Someday I'd like a new toy like a Hass or something. Must be nice traveling around looking at shows and factories. Stay blessed!
I can't believe you got to talk to Mark Terryberry. He's like the Prophet of Haas.
Any vid with Mark Terryberry is getting a thumbs up!
when will this feature be available on machines ? will it be available on older machines ? should i wait to buy a machine with this feature ?
Does this CRASH SAVE function exist on today HAAS ? after 5years im curious ? :D
Mark is the perfect person to represent Haas.
John....thanks for sharing and keeping people like me inspired!!!!
Can you set zeros by crashing?
Kinda do that with clearpath
Mark talks about loading large, heavy parts into the UMC-1000. How does HAAS recommend doing due to no hoist access inside the machine?
pretty cool.... the conventional bridgeport mill (1986) guy wants to hang out with this 2 great guys!
33:19 why didnt it close?
What was your first benchtop mill you always talk about?
26:05 made me laugh quite a bit
;)
It's wild to me how often Haas redesigns their machines
Probably a stupid question, but for crash avoidance, why dont the try to sense electrical contact and pull back if unexpected? It could be resistive check at first and maybe capacitive later. Cant sense much faster than with electrons.
Wouldn't that only work for conductive parts?
Craig, What happens when you are machining nulon or delrin? no electrical connection.
we work with non conductive, insulative stuff
Nope, if the machine "senses" the touch it is too late to stop, what you need to do is to calculate the turret momentum/inertia and the distance needed to stop, the safe mode makes the G0 slower, decreasing the momentum/inertia so the machine have power enough to react.
This reminds me of the stall guard feature trinamic stepper drivers have for 3d printers and tiny CNC machines. Basically they don't need endstop switches since they can detect a stall/crash and auto-stop. I'm sure it's a lot easier to do it with something with so much less force behind it like a 3d printer though.
Haas is looking better every year.
Dang! I wanted to find both you and terryberry while I was at imts this year!
Does this feature work radially, in X/Y? What about while spindle is running?
Asking the real questions
Because all it is doing is measuring load spikes those things should have no effect on it and it should work fine
We need this show in Atlanta GA. We need new equipment in our shop.
On a different note to John: Next time IMTS rolls around please get me in there with the early access you got for this video.
5:51
would a high precision electric load monitoring with super high sample rate of each stepper motor amperage be able to create a force feedback jogging wheel and/or sense of force for the machine?
Jeez sure glad you thought of that and posted it up sure would be a shame
it's really awesome, my dream is to get machine-shop with a lot of HAAS machines like these
Great job. Next time, review this and count the interruptions and non words (uh, yah, right, etc.) as distractions. Great job. Keep up the work and remember quality control of audio.
HSK doesn't do much for protecting your spindle. I've had my operator put -10" offset on Z instead of -.10, stopped it, sent it home and the heat shrink mounted tool hit a cross member and completely tore the tool holder out of the spindle and ruined the hydro-chuck clamping system. Now, spindle speed, that's another situation, I can run the spindle at 24k and still have another 6k worth of overhead if I got the holders balanced for that RPM range.
We should all be envious of a last name like "Terryberry".
The Haas area at IMTS was great by the way.
Excellent tour!
HAAS made about 3 miles from where I sit in Oxnard, California.
I used to put gtechniq on my HAAS windows - you'll get a week out of it instead of the couple of hours for rain-x
That’s not a new thing. Okuma has had “manual skip” for like 20 years.
does it have the G88 like the Acramatic 2100 has?
There are other (Japanese and Euro) machines that already have the load sensor on them for when you are Manually operating the axis and crash it to prevent damage to the machine. Its about time that Haas finally did this. Now the question is what does it do during actual operation. I don't think I have seen any that actually prevent some sort of damage to the machine 100% of the time. Still very cool and the more widespread it is implemented the better this technology will get across the board. Case in point I believe this is the first time I have seen a machine reverse. All the others I have seen that detect load just stop and shut down both the spindle and travel.
I have to say had they of had this tech when I bought my Brother I would have given Haas a stronger consideration. Not enough for me to want to walk away from the Brother but if I was doing it all over again from scratch this would have made the cut list. To be honest the Haas machine was just too tall for the garage door frame (all brick frame) I had back when I got my machine but since that isn't an issue on my new house...
*can mark be my dad?*
My highschool took us on a field trip there it was so cool
Does Haas have ball bearing or roller bearings on the linear ways?
Sphincter mounted e stop would be great!
Awesome, mark is a legend.
Sir please telling about ovality reduction in boring process
Does this feature work on your lathes?
Ref tool crash: Following Error technology, improved with high/fast time base. Great feature.
I'd be all in on Haas if they would stop with the push button overrides and go to dials like everyone else and they need to put the tool release button on the front center of the spindles housing so your not always loading / unloading tools with left hand.... and lose the tool release on the panel...i call that button the "probe killer"...
Enjoyed John!
ATB, Robin
I wish haas would do a more detailed video on the new subspindle option.
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so when will they crash it? like rapid into the part
1:55
They should use the mechanical torque skip to set Z0 as well 😋
Mark the BEST!!!
I was at imts this year with my tech center it was a great time I miss you I was trying to find you
Hey I was there with the company I work for amrock and Hennig hopefully you got to to stop by🙂
Yet, the probes Z offset can be wiped by using the clear offset table mode, which is useless if you have the probe package. How ridiculous is that??...I shouldn't have to mention this, but you need a lock for the probe Z in the offset table.
I could really use one of those big 4th axis jobs :-)
I've found the new design 5 axis machines do better at evacuating chips as they have a deep trough under the trunnion table and also the slide ways are above the work area on the 5 axis gantry type machines so less chance of way covers and slides getting clogged with chips..HMC's are rigid but unless you get a 1 meter travel or above then chip evacuation is terrible. I like the new Bridgeport 5 axis..pretty sure it's made by Quasar in Taiwan and it has a Detron brand trunnion.
We bought a Microlution that has following error capability like the HAAS.
:D use G53 G0 Z-500
G53
G95F100
G81Z-40.R.05
500 thousandths?
@@BGraves actually You need to enter z max travel range, othervise it will alarm overtravel
Dang, those haas keypads miss that dot at the end ;)
So the tools can act as a buffer
When did Murray quit the jokers?
Wonder if the haas would also detect a large drill as a crash
Probably would have to turn off safe mode
Haas machines run large drills. lol
@@Jasper360ci why not? They do have the option of Cat50 tool holders as well.
That's not really crashing.... I have done like ... the last time I changed tools holder and I forgot to retouch the tools and running that .. the tools holder hit the part and fixer and the hole machine jump up and the spindle broke
Okay, but how does it know how much tool stick out there is in order to avoid crashing?
It's not avoiding the crash it's just sensing it and stopping really quickly so it doesn't hurt the machine.
As Owen said, it's not working that way, but the machine still does know tool stick out if you've already set it...either manually or with the tool probe.
They made nano Titan Gilroy’s and they live in the spindle head and yell BOOM every time the tool is about to crash.
@@occamssawzall3486 we're going to crash this mill at 800 inches per minute!
I didn't think haas machines had enough torque in their servo drives to actually CAUSE any damage in a crash.
this scenario is like 9 out of 10 the mill problems at my work.
My coworker needs this
They crank the handle down to crash the cutter into the work at the 2 minute mark..
Great movie ... but my company has a new ST30 and I never heard louder machine in my entire life
It hurts my eyes watching you drive that tool into the block. Where's your safety glasses?!?
Good feature for new machine
Machine name plz
Bout time you add a feature that hurco has had for years and years.... Hurco the unsung underdog .. wayyyy better than anything out there
HURCO SUCKS!! HAHA - Just Kidding. Only ran 2 different Hurco machines in my 30 years. They were nothing special, but they ran ok. I am not a fan of any conversational controllers that do not have the option of ISO/EIA programming. It ends up making your machinists dependent on one machine tool maker. There are different machine tool makers that do certain things better than others. A good shop will have different machine tools in their shop for different purposes. I am a huge fan of HAAS machines, but they are really slow in comparison to some of the German and Japanese machine tools. We have a Deckel Maho 5 axis that runs at 2000 IPM rapids standard and it is extremely rigid. Makes the HAAS look like a child's toy. However, for overall value (bang for your buck) nothing really beats a HAAS machine. Not to mention they have the best service in the business. Reasonable priced parts and labor rates. I have also ran quite a few Mori-Seiki machines which are the cadillac of the machine tool world in my opinion. Using Cam software to program and then just switching post processors for different machines is a real time saver.
@@MrChainvapor um hurco does and for a long time has had gcode input
When you're done crashing that thing, I'll buy it for like 15 bucks :-)
Love Hass videos
Yeah everybody knows someone running a vf4 for sure...
Yeah, you know, everybody has that one weird drunk uncle who happens to run a VF4.
We have 4 at my job:)
How much for this Cnc machine?
The cheapest haas *starts* at about 26k. Add 2k for shipping and all the other needed tooling and such.
@@OakwoodMachineWorks thats great i would like to get one to start learn.
шикарный обзор . Завтра позвоню в российское представительство фирмы Хаас , поинтересуюсь ценой опции защиты от столкновений