To see the history of Ma, his 2017 incident with Xu Xiaodong: ua-cam.com/video/bagwriAA8SM/v-deo.html Ma baoguo's 2020 return: ua-cam.com/video/8GdqJ_wj2nE/v-deo.html More of this interview in question translated. This time about the Peter Irving footage: ua-cam.com/video/ZoyyPCYa9RY/v-deo.html The full interview in the description.
If he was indoctrinated into his beliefs at an early enough age, then his entire frame of reference will ALWAYS be within those beliefs he was indoctrinated into. I think that it's quite possible that he does truly believe the rubbish he speaks. Delusion tends to be total, and the fact that he actually accepts challenges, convinces me that he's deluded enough to believe in his "powers."
I've met these type of guys. I think there is a misconception that they are frauds. I don't think that's the case. To be a fraud they have to know what they are doing doesn't work. However many of these guys really believe in their powers. This is reinforced by their students and the cycle continues.
I'm more on the side of them being frauds at the beginning, but with reinforcement and delusions their minds couldn't fathom them being any less of what their circle describes them to be
@@BRHOOOME9 For them to be frauds, don't they have to know what they are doing is fraudulent? I'm not sure they would willingly expose themselves like this if they intentionally taught stuff that doesn't work. I think it's just a case of them being delusional. Granted there will be some that intentionally teach crap for personal gain but I honestly think a lot of them believe in what they do.
@@AlexanderGent what I meant is, that they know what they learned, and what they teach is crap from the very beginning. this coupled with cost sunk fallacy and delusions, echo chambers, etc. make them over the years appear genuine and fully committed to the cause just like a cult initiate would have doubts in their first time and in part, some of them could have been led to this path while being genuinely interested in the concept. deluded to the extreme. the person can't fathom themselves being wrong, Believing that every other person is out to get them
That is so true, there's such a weird culture of adoration for some martial ARTISTS.. The best fighters are often the street fighters, or the guys no one knows, who actually don't need any confirmation from the outside world other than proofing themselves to be high effective
@@FightCommentary I’m so glad you made that “Huo Yuan Jia” comment because as soon as he said he was *“poisoned”* I immediately thought “homeboy thinks he’s Huo Yuan Jia or sum” lol
This is a true story : my cousin was a Taichi practicioner in highschool and college , even teaching old people in parks for early morning exercises, one day he was involved in a fist fight and he told me during the fight everything he learn went out of the window and he found himself resorting to swinging and biting his opponent for dear life. Funny as f
The cognitive dissonance is a very strong poison, yes. If one spent an entire life to learn ineffective fighting methods then this is how one cope with it.
Tai chi isn't a fighting method in the first place, that's the actual ridiculous side of all this. It's like a ballet dancer convinced to have what it takes to win a tennis match.
@@axel.lessio Tai chi is a real martial art, but there are many frauds or also people that just practice it for health and exercise with no martial training whatsoever. If you see good tai chi, from what I gather is your stand up grappling and overall sensitivity can be astounding. Theres a lot of value in tai chi but it takes a long time to be good at it, and its rare to see tai chi people spar correctly in there schools, further reducing people that actually train it properly. A real tai chi guy is really hard to throw/grapple/takedown basically.
Really sad actually. I trained with the guy in uk for about a year. He was a really genuine guy teaching some interesting stuff. I was doing kick boxing and wing Chun too and he didn’t like me doing it. He called it weak! He demeans himself by trying to build a persona for himself and it’s all about money!
@@orbanbalazs5357 he taught a version of Chen taichi - whenever he taught me I got told off for using boxing. He was surrounded by adoring students and I left after a while as the whole thing was just daft. He had great taichi skills but that is not helpful when boxing.
@@FightCommentary done. Also, I'd love to see your take on some of the Kenpo 5.0 sparring footage. Kenpo 5.0 is supposed to be an updated version of Kenpo that integrates some ground fighting techniques from BJJ. Example here: ua-cam.com/video/RvCSSLYwVBA/v-deo.html&ab_channel=CecilBridgewater
I think he believes what he's saying, put yourself in his shoes, I'm guessing he's been training Taichi for most of his life. When you spend so much of your life doing something like that, it becomes a part of your identity. Looking at himself and considering the possibility that maybe, he can't defend himself would be a huge blow to his identity which would mean having to accept he did something that was useless for combat. If I was in his shoes, I would feel pretty worthless and realise that I've wasted a lot of time with very little opportunity at his age to change his direction. Delusion has it's benefits in protecting your ego. The thing I hate most about this, is that I love Taichi but never knew it was a martial art until my old Kung Fu teacher showed me the application. Not knowing that, I think it's pretty cool like Yoga and is in a much better position to be preserved than Aikido. Unlike Aikido, Taichi movement is more visually solo than Aikido where in Aikido, visually in all of it's practices look combative. Taichi doesn't unless you have someone point it out to you. That may change if Taichi masters keep doing stuff like this where they make claims of being invincible or it's too deadly to spar stuff which just puts off everybody including me who loves traditional martial arts regardless of efficiency. Maybe this is my irrationality but I suspect that maybe TaiChi could work well if they had a stronger emphasis on sparring. I did hear from Ramsey Dewey that it was a grappling art with codified grappling movements. I'd be interested in seeing a Taichi practitioner who spars a lot fight, just to see if the movement is unique or still resembles kickboxing or normal grappling. If it doesn't then is the intention of those movements to teach abstract principles rather than direct movement? Sorry for anyone reading this, I needed to vent, which requires a long comment.
@Master Dodger I agree, I think if he were to make TaiChi more functional he would need more pressure testing and maybe test the movements live with little to no martial art or fight experience. I'm not sure I understand the part about consensual and non consensual part. Do you mean that his art is more focused on self defense rather than sport, is that what you mean?
Taijiquan is a functional martial art, it’s just most people practicing it don’t understand it, hence they can’t use it, so it gets the reputation of being useless. It is not.
Never heard it stated so eloquently. Your statement "...loves traditional martial arts regardless of efficiency", is how I feel about martial arts. I don't care whether traditional Chinese Martial Arts is practical for self-defense or not. The principles, theories, and techniques of the different Traditional Chinese Martial Arts styles are absolutely Beautiful (with a capital 'B'). Even some of the Wushu forms I've seen look nice. And with the power, speed, and agility some of those Wushu athletes demonstrate, I don't think they'll have any trouble defending themselves.
@@hemispace641 Thanks for the compliment and I feel the same way, especially people who study the really athletic Shaolin forms probably wouldn’t have a hard time defending themselves, if not for any reason other than just being athletically fit. I really want to see these forms and traditional martial arts preserved as much as possible. I love them and it makes martial arts in general feel much bigger.
I think he meant to say "I lost because I know now my Tai Chi is useless and weak against real fighters and hobbyists. And so I deserve to get knocked around with that fast fist on my face and fall asleep in the hopes that I have won in my dreams."
Yea, Tai chi has its use when it comes to stance training, balance, learning how to shift, relaxation and health but it's not really an art you want to be challenging MMA fighters with unless you crosstrain in other martial arts as well. If it's your primary martial art, you're most likely not going to do too well. Especially if you never spar. That goes for a lot of other Martial Arts styles too.
Yes, these frauds are extreme narcissists and they're always high on their own supply. Is he going to admit he's got holes in his game and has maybe been wasting his life on his martial art? It takes an extremely humble person to have that sort of introspection and he isn't that kind of person.
Thank you! I definitely want more! In fact, this translation/Chinese martial arts could be a steady gig for you. You’re the only one doing it. Niche baby! $$$$$$
In my utmost humble opinion. “ Nothing more dangerous than the illusion of self delusion” “ Everything is plausible in the land of make believe, one must never be a citizen there” If not only to critically observe those who are residents there, from a safe distance. “ Wisdom equates to correct comprehended knowledge appropriately applied” Sincere regards. Fellow Martial Artist. Tom Framnes. Norway.
This is why I like Qi La La. Unlike other "masters" whenever he loses he does not make lame excuses. Instead he uses this experience to improve himself.
Oh thanks for translating by the way I think I saw this on another chanel but there were no subtitles. Kinda funny how he says he does not want to say it publicly but he tells it to the interviewer who would release it publicly 😁.
I don't think he wants to belive he was posioned, i think he needs to belive he was posioned. The man spend many years of his live practicing his art to become a master, only to find out it meant nothing. Its awful when you find out its all a lie.
The only thing that I imagine that "poisoned" the Tai Chi guy, was his own confidence. My guess is, he went into the fight thinking he was going to win, and that it wouldn't be difficult, and each time the MMA fighter successfully struck him, it would have essentially taken away the Tai Chi guy's confidence, and made his already terrible fighting technique, even worse.
He believes that he was poisoned just like I believe I'll be as flexible as Jean Claude Van Damme one day 😆🤣😂😄😊🙂🥲😔... maybe one day 🥺. Thank you for sharing ☺️.
Yes please do the full translation of the interview! Ma Baoguo is a joke and he can't stop because he's got a reputation to still fake for his "friends". It's sad to see older men like him let their egos go unchecked for so long that they start believing their own BS lol
He could absolutely have perceived Xu's punches as super slow due to fear. This is extremely common and is your memory warping the time. So this tells us he has never been in a actual fight in his life and was scared shitless. I'm not even joking, the everything moves slower is caused by fear, stress and other stimuli, its actually not moving slower but your memory of it remembers it slower.
Nobody put ether on him. It's called FEAR. What I can't figure out is WHO are these jokers and WHY are they accepting these challenges? Most are old guys who shouldn't be competing anyway! WHY are they always backing off and playing defensive? None of them have a snowball's chance in hell with those tactics. And none of them ever use the skills their art is meant to be famous for. So WHAT does that mean? It means they are not masters representing these skills.
A good question, does he believe what he's saying? He entered the match, so I would think that he actually believed in his abilities at the time, and it seems natural to be confused by his performance. I'm guessing he does actually believe that he was poisoned somehow.
So now he’s accusing a guy who beat him in a fist fight of poisoning him. He’s better hope that fighter doesn’t come back for a second helping. Some men don’t like being accused like that.
Master Ma Baoguo is VERY BRAVE. This old man agreed to a one-on-one with a fighter who, just on observation of each fighter: 1. Was clearly better conditioned than him (Excluding Ma Baoguo's internal organs. At least they were, stronger before the fight.). 2. Was much younger than him. At the time of the fight, Xu Xiaodong was 39 years old, and Mao Baoguo was 69 years old. At some point in his life Xu Xiaodong held a Beijing Sanshou Championship title. Xu's Martial Arts record throughout his life is very impressive. Ma Baoguo was 69 years old. I see BRAVERY in that. COURAGE... That old man actually went in there to fight a guy 30 years younger than him. He must have some true love for his Tai Chi and Traditional Chinese Martial Arts if he is willing to fight a fighter with the nickname "Maddog". To me, what really look bad was NOT his LOSS. That fight was BRAVERY, with BALLS OF STEEL. It was the excuses and other things Ma Baoguo stated AFTER the loss that breaks my heart...
Wang Zhanjun uses taichi and can fight. Show his fights please in chinese television. He also has student Han Feilong who take part in k1. I give you really very good content.
@@FightCommentary UA-cam doesn't like links, I'll post it in a reply to this comment. But if it doesn't show up the video is title "George Foreman: Was Rumble in the Jungle fixed?" uploaded by Graham Bensinger, here on UA-cam.
Ya except Hua Yuan Jia was undefeated (before the poison) and fought many deaths match where he had to sign his life away. This guy fought his very first match, against an opponent with gloves....and a ref.
That's movie lore. There is no way of verifying his fights and even the poisoning is not confirmed. He possibly died of arsenic poisoning but many believe he willing took it as part of traditional herbal remedies for treating a serious, chronic illness where he was coughing up blood. Chinese movie productions sure love to exaggerate for drama and jingoism and is the last place to look for historical facts. That's like watching John Wayne movies and hoping to get a true account of cowboys.
@@assoverteakettle Exactly. This person is delusional. Using a movie reference to cover up how crappy of a fighter he is. There are so many well known, more important fights in the world that are probably as big as the Hua Yuan Jia fights in the movie, but somehow he thinks he's special enough to receive this treatment of "poison" LOL
That's another scary thing about traditional martial arts, it can feed your ego so much and turn it into a monster, a grandiose view of a god like figure when in fact you have gone no where on practical training.
Xu knew what he had to do, and told everyone what he was gonna do, then he came and did it... Just like he said he would do... This is "End To End Discipline" by Xu Xiaodong!!!
Please translate the Ma Baoguo technique tutorial videos where he rambles on alot and shows some crazy moves. I genuinely want to know what purpose those moves have in his mind.
It must have been the first time that he experienced fight/flight response .l😂. Then from the safety of his normal routine he filled the gaps of what happened (felts his punches weak couldnt react ) with this hilarious excuse to not get his ego destroyed. I believe he reallly believes it !
Master Ma Baoguo said "Why was his super slow left hook able to hit me?". Well, let's try to analyze that... How does he react to "Super Slow" movements? Well, how has he BEEN reacting to "Super Slow" movements? SUPER SLOWLY. And so, there you go... He REACTED SUPER SLOW. That's all he know! Makes up most of what he know about reacting to a SUPER SLOW BLOW. I wish every time I had to "Throw" (as in go blow-for-blow) I saw attacks coming at me SUPER SLOW because I don't practice REACTING SLOW. I learned that hard lesson a LONG TIME AGO.
Reminds me a bit of Charlie Zelenoff. You can't know for sure if he truly believes in his abilities or not. But at least this guy won't try to sucker punch his adversaries.
This shit is sad to see. There’s a lot of delusion here on the part of the Tai Chi master. Not that this would change a thing, but I’d like to see better age matching in these fights though.
I mean... most people misunderstand Tai Chi Chuan. Sometimes to the world's benefit. But knowing its actual historical origins and uses make charlatans like this even harder to tolerate.
The Tai Chi Master Ma Baoguo lost because he was much weaker and slower than Xu Xiaodong. The conditioning training (training strength, speed, stability, etc.) between these 2 individuals is indeed different. Without knowing much about MMA or Tai Chi, I KNOW that their conditioning methods and training are different. Still... I don't care what style you practice. If you're not fast enough to land a strike on your opponent? If you can't hurt a person with your punch or kick, or have a grip strong enough to hold, lock, or wrestle your opponent, it doesn't matter what technique you use, you will LOSE... Waitaminute... I want to edit my previous statement. After some contemplation on this matter, I think it is WRONG that I stated "you will LOSE". It is actually the kind of ignorance I abhor... I apologize... I'm more comfortable with stating: I don't care what style you practice. If you're not fast enough to land a strike on your opponent? If you can't hurt a person with your punch or kick, or have a grip strong enough to hold, lock, or wrestle your opponent, it doesn't matter what technique you use, it doesn't matter if you strike and land "Right on the Button" multiple times. The PROBABILITY that you will lose the fight is extremely high. But I still believe that there is always some chance "in the universe" that someone who may look like they're gonna lose will actually win. Win due to the existence of that "1 in a Trillion Chance" that had them winning... Let's say: Mike Tyson Vs Khloé Kardashian. Who would win in the Boxing Ring? My money is on Mike Tyson with my Bookies in this Universe, and the next one. Still, no matter how REMOTE the possibility is, it isn't an IMPOSSIBILITY, and so, there is a REMOTE REMOTE REMOTE Possibility that Khloe Kardashian can defeat Mike Tyson in the ring! Absolutely useless informatio, and high Probability that it is incorrect...
Not many people can face their shadow. Internally there is conflict. He really had deluded himself into thinking he would win the fight. But then it did not go his way. He is so overwhelmed by this delusion being broken, that part of him genuinely suspects foul play. But another part of him knows this is not true, that he has been lying to himself. So he chooses not to focus or face that. He is very much aware of this game he plays, but he will never look at the game or acknowledge it, he will always avoid it. Because addressing it, would again be facing his shadow and admitting the truth. He likely hasn't been super vocal about this, because he knows it is not true, so that is why he only tells family or friends - He is looking to reaffirm the lie he is telling himself in others. Each time we see our false image reflected by those around us, we move a further degree from the truth.
I have always tried to be an optimist and hope that these people are just lying for the showmanship of it. They can't ACTUALLY believe this crap. Then I watched the energy shield guy fighting on his knees vs a professional fighter. After that, I think they believe but they believe it so hard that the reason for their failure has to come from somewhere other than, this crap I've been dedicating my life to is a sham.
See, the problem is that China has been caught up in so many decades perhaps centuries of this theatre martial art that they’re left disappointed every time they get defeated, blaming themselves for losing the fight RATHER THAN looking closely at the style of ‘fighting’ and acknowledging that it is a meditative movement rather than meant for combat. And this is why mostly older people do this rather than youngsters.
It's kinda sad. Look at it from his perspective. After losing that badly to an amateur, the only logical conclusion is that he's wasted decades of his life on pseudo-combat... So the only way to cope with that is to be in denial.
It's funny because Huo Yuanjia didn't really get into fights with foreigners, there was one with a Russian Wrestler, the Russian was going around town claiming that no Chinese man can defeat him, when Huo Yuanjia came up to him and accepted to fight him, the Russian told him he was joking and left town. I can tell Huo was all like "Dude, really?" I know that feeling all too well.
Really nice vid! I guess putting any doubt out there, as this interviewee does, can confuse an issue for some observers. Also, as people are commenting below, real situations can feel quite different. Maybe one way of looking at it is that someone who I've never seen before (I guess!) can suddenly appear in public, yell something at me, and give me a really horrible feeling that can linger, despite no physical contact. Same with an animal threat, even with no actual contact, showing that it's not just a human to human issue. The body seems to react in certain ways, not too mention with regard to "emotions" and "spiritual areas," both of which I believe can be very important. So, if ~ as some are suggesting ~ this gentleman has little simulated or real confrontation experience, no wonder he could feel like he's poisoned. Whether that's true or comes from a movie plot, as people also suggest, I believe are points also worth discussing... I'd make a guess as to the veracity, but will leave it to others to draw what they think is most likely also. Maybe fights can also appear easier than what happens in real situation or competition such as this. Thanks, Jerry, for the work here!
I'm surprised he even has friends. 😂 As if he wouldn't have given all his students those same excuses Lol and probably everyone he meets. And I can just imagine one of his poor brainwashed students thinking like "oh no. Master has been poisoned and had a magic chase put on him. I must train hard hard in masters secret style and defeat these poisoners to defend Masters honor!" 🙃😆
To see the history of Ma, his 2017 incident with Xu Xiaodong: ua-cam.com/video/bagwriAA8SM/v-deo.html
Ma baoguo's 2020 return: ua-cam.com/video/8GdqJ_wj2nE/v-deo.html
More of this interview in question translated. This time about the Peter Irving footage: ua-cam.com/video/ZoyyPCYa9RY/v-deo.html
The full interview in the description.
OFC he believes that he has to. Other wise like in any cult, or a gambler... you would be real silly to waste that much of your life and money.
He lose because
1) poison
2) light too bright
3) He didnt have breakfast that day.
4) He forgot to watch ipman 4
5) no one killed his master
He sneezed 3 times when he woke up that day.
LOL, you are a funny man Yusri
6.) His opponent had his tongue in the left side of his mouth and lifted his right big toe.
His left small toe was not properly aligned with the stars.
The interviewer wasn't cringing, it's simply that the master's chi was too strong to bare
I stand corrected.
Ahh, so it's finally revealed what chi is: BO
Make it short and sweet.
Best excuse ever to be on camera after losing a fight against a young man at his prime.
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@@condorX2 Xu isn't young, he's a old man himself.
@@memysurname7521 🤣
Lol he probably thought that feeling stiff from all the nerves and adrenaline from being in his first-ever fight was poison
This is 100% how it went down LOL
True dat
😂🤣
Yep, anyone who has been sparring full contact before will be suprised that their hands move slower than they thought they would.
I honestly thought so when I had my first Karate fight! I was 10 though…
He got hit so hard he thought he was posioned
If he was indoctrinated into his beliefs at an early enough age, then his entire frame of reference will ALWAYS be within those beliefs he was indoctrinated into.
I think that it's quite possible that he does truly believe the rubbish he speaks.
Delusion tends to be total, and the fact that he actually accepts challenges, convinces me that he's deluded enough to believe in his "powers."
yeah but reality tho
@mark thompson 2 of those statements are true
@mark thompson nope the deceptive nature of the world more specifically the west. Means you tell lies to the point science is politicised
There is always a shadow that knows the truth. We move in action with the shadow of avoidance.
Make it short and sweet.
Best excuse ever to be on camera after losing a fight against a young man at his prime.
I've met these type of guys. I think there is a misconception that they are frauds. I don't think that's the case. To be a fraud they have to know what they are doing doesn't work. However many of these guys really believe in their powers. This is reinforced by their students and the cycle continues.
I'm more on the side of them being frauds at the beginning, but with reinforcement and delusions their minds couldn't fathom them being any less of what their circle describes them to be
@@BRHOOOME9 For them to be frauds, don't they have to know what they are doing is fraudulent? I'm not sure they would willingly expose themselves like this if they intentionally taught stuff that doesn't work. I think it's just a case of them being delusional. Granted there will be some that intentionally teach crap for personal gain but I honestly think a lot of them believe in what they do.
@@AlexanderGent
what I meant is, that they know what they learned, and what they teach is crap from the very beginning.
this coupled with cost sunk fallacy and delusions, echo chambers, etc. make them over the years appear genuine and fully committed to the cause just like a cult initiate would have doubts in their first time
and in part, some of them could have been led to this path while being genuinely interested in the concept. deluded to the extreme. the person can't fathom themselves being wrong, Believing that every other person is out to get them
That is so true, there's such a weird culture of adoration for some martial ARTISTS.. The best fighters are often the street fighters, or the guys no one knows, who actually don't need any confirmation from the outside world other than proofing themselves to be high effective
If you are a martial art fraud, the first lie is always to yourself.
His excuses comes straight out of the plot of Bruce Lee's movie the Chinese Connection
Or Jet Li's Fist of Legend or Fearless ;)
@@FightCommentary I’m so glad you made that “Huo Yuan Jia” comment because as soon as he said he was *“poisoned”* I immediately thought “homeboy thinks he’s Huo Yuan Jia or sum” lol
🤣🤣🤣🤣 I thought he could use those and people would believe him
This is a true story : my cousin was a Taichi practicioner in highschool and college , even teaching old people in parks for early morning exercises, one day he was involved in a fist fight and he told me during the fight everything he learn went out of the window and he found himself resorting to swinging and biting his opponent for dear life. Funny as f
Did he win?
@@EXLiquidTiger nah he lost lol
@@TruthbtoldMD he was biting and still lost? did he go for the balls?
@@Zack-fu4lo i wasn't there unfortunately he was the one who told me the story. he did not go into the details though
Teeth and jaw are stronger than fist😂
The cognitive dissonance is a very strong poison, yes. If one spent an entire life to learn ineffective fighting methods then this is how one cope with it.
Tai chi isn't a fighting method in the first place, that's the actual ridiculous side of all this. It's like a ballet dancer convinced to have what it takes to win a tennis match.
@@axel.lessio Tai chi is a real martial art, but there are many frauds or also people that just practice it for health and exercise with no martial training whatsoever. If you see good tai chi, from what I gather is your stand up grappling and overall sensitivity can be astounding.
Theres a lot of value in tai chi but it takes a long time to be good at it, and its rare to see tai chi people spar correctly in there schools, further reducing people that actually train it properly. A real tai chi guy is really hard to throw/grapple/takedown basically.
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Please add more of this style content; great stuff, thanks for taking your time to research the topic of martial arts b.s.
Really sad actually. I trained with the guy in uk for about a year. He was a really genuine guy teaching some interesting stuff. I was doing kick boxing and wing Chun too and he didn’t like me doing it. He called it weak! He demeans himself by trying to build a persona for himself and it’s all about money!
That's quite a big ego coming from him
what did he actually teach ? I can't believe, that a Tai Chi master would accuse anyone of cheating.
@@orbanbalazs5357 he taught a version of Chen taichi - whenever he taught me I got told off for using boxing. He was surrounded by adoring students and I left after a while as the whole thing was just daft. He had great taichi skills but that is not helpful when boxing.
He should look into if he got enough rice & side dishes too
We definitely need to hear the whole interview.
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@@FightCommentary done. Also, I'd love to see your take on some of the Kenpo 5.0 sparring footage. Kenpo 5.0 is supposed to be an updated version of Kenpo that integrates some ground fighting techniques from BJJ. Example here: ua-cam.com/video/RvCSSLYwVBA/v-deo.html&ab_channel=CecilBridgewater
I'll look at Kenpo 5.0 soon. Thanks for the suggestion!
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I think he believes what he's saying, put yourself in his shoes, I'm guessing he's been training Taichi for most of his life. When you spend so much of your life doing something like that, it becomes a part of your identity. Looking at himself and considering the possibility that maybe, he can't defend himself would be a huge blow to his identity which would mean having to accept he did something that was useless for combat. If I was in his shoes, I would feel pretty worthless and realise that I've wasted a lot of time with very little opportunity at his age to change his direction. Delusion has it's benefits in protecting your ego.
The thing I hate most about this, is that I love Taichi but never knew it was a martial art until my old Kung Fu teacher showed me the application. Not knowing that, I think it's pretty cool like Yoga and is in a much better position to be preserved than Aikido. Unlike Aikido, Taichi movement is more visually solo than Aikido where in Aikido, visually in all of it's practices look combative. Taichi doesn't unless you have someone point it out to you. That may change if Taichi masters keep doing stuff like this where they make claims of being invincible or it's too deadly to spar stuff which just puts off everybody including me who loves traditional martial arts regardless of efficiency.
Maybe this is my irrationality but I suspect that maybe TaiChi could work well if they had a stronger emphasis on sparring. I did hear from Ramsey Dewey that it was a grappling art with codified grappling movements. I'd be interested in seeing a Taichi practitioner who spars a lot fight, just to see if the movement is unique or still resembles kickboxing or normal grappling. If it doesn't then is the intention of those movements to teach abstract principles rather than direct movement? Sorry for anyone reading this, I needed to vent, which requires a long comment.
@Master Dodger I agree, I think if he were to make TaiChi more functional he would need more pressure testing and maybe test the movements live with little to no martial art or fight experience. I'm not sure I understand the part about consensual and non consensual part. Do you mean that his art is more focused on self defense rather than sport, is that what you mean?
Taijiquan is a functional martial art, it’s just most people practicing it don’t understand it, hence they can’t use it, so it gets the reputation of being useless. It is not.
@Master Dodger: You didn't dodge anything in your comment. Your comment was head-on, and right on the money...
Never heard it stated so eloquently. Your statement "...loves traditional martial arts regardless of efficiency", is how I feel about martial arts. I don't care whether traditional Chinese Martial Arts is practical for self-defense or not. The principles, theories, and techniques of the different Traditional Chinese Martial Arts styles are absolutely Beautiful (with a capital 'B'). Even some of the Wushu forms I've seen look nice. And with the power, speed, and agility some of those Wushu athletes demonstrate, I don't think they'll have any trouble defending themselves.
@@hemispace641 Thanks for the compliment and I feel the same way, especially people who study the really athletic Shaolin forms probably wouldn’t have a hard time defending themselves, if not for any reason other than just being athletically fit.
I really want to see these forms and traditional martial arts preserved as much as possible. I love them and it makes martial arts in general feel much bigger.
I think he meant to say "I lost because I know now my Tai Chi is useless and weak against real fighters and hobbyists. And so I deserve to get knocked around with that fast fist on my face and fall asleep in the hopes that I have won in my dreams."
Yea, Tai chi has its use when it comes to stance training, balance, learning how to shift, relaxation and health but it's not really an art you want to be challenging MMA fighters with unless you crosstrain in other martial arts as well. If it's your primary martial art, you're most likely not going to do too well. Especially if you never spar. That goes for a lot of other Martial Arts styles too.
Yes, these frauds are extreme narcissists and they're always high on their own supply. Is he going to admit he's got holes in his game and has maybe been wasting his life on his martial art? It takes an extremely humble person to have that sort of introspection and he isn't that kind of person.
This dude is absolutely drowning in his own narcissism
I love the translations man. It gives us insight into the mindset of the folks over in China, both delusional or not!
I’m Very happy this was posted
Thank you! I definitely want more! In fact, this translation/Chinese martial arts could be a steady gig for you. You’re the only one doing it. Niche baby! $$$$$$
In my utmost humble opinion.
“ Nothing more dangerous than the illusion of self delusion”
“ Everything is plausible in the land of make believe, one must never be a citizen there”
If not only to critically observe those who are residents there, from a safe distance.
“ Wisdom equates to correct comprehended knowledge appropriately applied”
Sincere regards.
Fellow Martial Artist.
Tom Framnes.
Norway.
Well said!
@@stonewolf7850 My humble appreciations for your kind compliments. Wish the best of blessings to you and yours 🙏🏻❤️.
He probably watched every single English dubbed kung-fu movie ever made and practiced along.
This is why I like Qi La La. Unlike other "masters" whenever he loses he does not make lame excuses. Instead he uses this experience to improve himself.
Qui La La sounds French. Is he a master of Savate? ;)
@@neleabels my bad hahaha i mispelled the name 😁 ill go change it 😉
Definitely please do more translations, I get a kick out of listening to their excuses.
Definitely! Consider becoming a channel member too! If I can get 10 channel members, then I'll do another translation on this 20 minute interview!
Oh thanks for translating by the way I think I saw this on another chanel but there were no subtitles. Kinda funny how he says he does not want to say it publicly but he tells it to the interviewer who would release it publicly 😁.
Yeah, he's like, "I want to be private about this, BUT here's the thing...."
I don't think he wants to belive he was posioned, i think he needs to belive he was posioned.
The man spend many years of his live practicing his art to become a master, only to find out it meant nothing.
Its awful when you find out its all a lie.
Hahaha
Interviewer was doing like 🤦🏻😒
Ma was doing like 🤕🤪🤡🥴🧠
You should ask: Ok Sr. do you want a revenge?
He shouldn't have had that tea before the fight. Classic misstep.
0:38 why is he talking about a left hook? It was a right cross that knocked him out...
in tai chi there is no left nor right.
they are one and the same
Non-fighter martial artist loses to fighter
"Someone must have poisoned my Qi!"
The only thing that I imagine that "poisoned" the Tai Chi guy, was his own confidence. My guess is, he went into the fight thinking he was going to win, and that it wouldn't be difficult, and each time the MMA fighter successfully struck him, it would have essentially taken away the Tai Chi guy's confidence, and made his already terrible fighting technique, even worse.
He believes that he was poisoned just like I believe I'll be as flexible as Jean Claude Van Damme one day 😆🤣😂😄😊🙂🥲😔... maybe one day 🥺.
Thank you for sharing ☺️.
I was working on my flexibility last year and then I over stretched and pulled something ;)
Yes please do the full translation of the interview! Ma Baoguo is a joke and he can't stop because he's got a reputation to still fake for his "friends". It's sad to see older men like him let their egos go unchecked for so long that they start believing their own BS lol
These Tai chi masters must be teaching their students how to come up with excuses before teaching them Tai chi.
Then have a rematch
He could absolutely have perceived Xu's punches as super slow due to fear.
This is extremely common and is your memory warping the time.
So this tells us he has never been in a actual fight in his life and was scared shitless.
I'm not even joking, the everything moves slower is caused by fear, stress and other stimuli, its actually not moving slower but your memory of it remembers it slower.
Nobody put ether on him. It's called FEAR. What I can't figure out is WHO are these jokers and WHY are they accepting these challenges? Most are old guys who shouldn't be competing anyway! WHY are they always backing off and playing defensive? None of them have a snowball's chance in hell with those tactics. And none of them ever use the skills their art is meant to be famous for. So WHAT does that mean? It means they are not masters representing these skills.
A good question, does he believe what he's saying? He entered the match, so I would think that he actually believed in his abilities at the time, and it seems natural to be confused by his performance. I'm guessing he does actually believe that he was poisoned somehow.
The fact that we're in the flat screen era and he's got a fat TV sitting on the table should tell you all you need to know
So now he’s accusing a guy who beat him in a fist fight of poisoning him. He’s better hope that fighter doesn’t come back for a second helping. Some men don’t like being accused like that.
That's a good point!
Master Ma Baoguo is VERY BRAVE. This old man agreed to a one-on-one with a fighter who, just on observation of each fighter:
1. Was clearly better conditioned than him (Excluding Ma Baoguo's internal organs. At least they were, stronger before the fight.).
2. Was much younger than him. At the time of the fight, Xu Xiaodong was 39 years old, and Mao Baoguo was 69 years old. At some point in his life Xu Xiaodong held a Beijing Sanshou Championship title. Xu's Martial Arts record throughout his life is very impressive. Ma Baoguo was 69 years old.
I see BRAVERY in that. COURAGE... That old man actually went in there to fight a guy 30 years younger than him. He must have some true love for his Tai Chi and Traditional Chinese Martial Arts if he is willing to fight a fighter with the nickname "Maddog".
To me, what really look bad was NOT his LOSS. That fight was BRAVERY, with BALLS OF STEEL. It was the excuses and other things Ma Baoguo stated AFTER the loss that breaks my heart...
The delusion is strong with this one 🤦♂️
Wang Zhanjun uses taichi and can fight. Show his fights please in chinese television. He also has student Han Feilong who take part in k1. I give you really very good content.
The interviewer was trying not to laugh.
To be fair, George Foreman thought he was poisoned during his fight with Muhammed Ali in Zaire.
Another viewer was saying this! Can you provide a link to a UA-cam video if there's an interview on this?
@@FightCommentary UA-cam doesn't like links, I'll post it in a reply to this comment. But if it doesn't show up the video is title "George Foreman: Was Rumble in the Jungle fixed?" uploaded by Graham Bensinger, here on UA-cam.
Link here:
ua-cam.com/video/dOFFI0o0DaQ/v-deo.html
I watched the whole interview. The reporter was pinching his cheeks the whole time so he couldn’t end up laughing out loud
Ya except Hua Yuan Jia was undefeated (before the poison) and fought many deaths match where he had to sign his life away. This guy fought his very first match, against an opponent with gloves....and a ref.
That's movie lore. There is no way of verifying his fights and even the poisoning is not confirmed. He possibly died of arsenic poisoning but many believe he willing took it as part of traditional herbal remedies for treating a serious, chronic illness where he was coughing up blood. Chinese movie productions sure love to exaggerate for drama and jingoism and is the last place to look for historical facts. That's like watching John Wayne movies and hoping to get a true account of cowboys.
@@assoverteakettle Exactly. This person is delusional. Using a movie reference to cover up how crappy of a fighter he is. There are so many well known, more important fights in the world that are probably as big as the Hua Yuan Jia fights in the movie, but somehow he thinks he's special enough to receive this treatment of "poison" LOL
He never saw the left hook coming because he was busy being transported to the shadow realm by the right hook
The ego on this guy
The poison was in the tea he had right before the fight. He almost died. 😂
He believes what he's saying just as much as he believed that he could beat the other guy
Bruv I would love you to translate the interview fully. Please do!
Consider becoming a channel member. If I get 20 channel members, I will translate!
That's another scary thing about traditional martial arts, it can feed your ego so much and turn it into a monster, a grandiose view of a god like figure when in fact you have gone no where on practical training.
Xu knew what he had to do, and told everyone what he was gonna do, then he came and did it... Just like he said he would do... This is "End To End Discipline" by Xu Xiaodong!!!
Someone should intersplice Smoky from Friday into the fight video. 😂
you got knocked tf out!!
@@kaneda956 can you give me a link? I don't know the reference.
@@FightCommentary
gladly Jerry
ua-cam.com/video/q36uaSlf0ck/v-deo.html
He is not a Taiji master. If he were, he would not have stepped into someone else's home turf.
His son called the cops? Really? He obviously knew that his stupid father would get embarrassed.
That’s an adrenaline dump
That’s what a lack of fighting experience will do to a ‘master’ .
- I was poisoned
- do you have proof?
- no
- I see..........
He was defeated because his rhythm was not for real fights. His opponent's movement were short and direct.
It was me who poisoned him. Lol
I think someone poisons me twice a week at BJJ.
It proved that punch he took even damaged his brat.. lol poor master
He didn't remember the friends he made along the way
Please translate the Ma Baoguo technique tutorial videos where he rambles on alot and shows some crazy moves. I genuinely want to know what purpose those moves have in his mind.
It must have been the first time that he experienced fight/flight response .l😂. Then from the safety of his normal routine he filled the gaps of what happened (felts his punches weak couldnt react ) with this hilarious excuse to not get his ego destroyed. I believe he reallly believes it !
The only poison he ingested was the Kool-Aid he was drinking.
Poisoned, I knew it! That's why I suck at life, I've been poisoned dammit!
Master Ma Baoguo said "Why was his super slow left hook able to hit me?". Well, let's try to analyze that...
How does he react to "Super Slow" movements? Well, how has he BEEN reacting to "Super Slow" movements? SUPER SLOWLY.
And so, there you go... He REACTED SUPER SLOW. That's all he know! Makes up most of what he know about reacting to a SUPER SLOW BLOW.
I wish every time I had to "Throw" (as in go blow-for-blow) I saw attacks coming at me SUPER SLOW because I don't practice REACTING SLOW. I learned that hard lesson a LONG TIME AGO.
Generally I don't need to see any more delusional material but this short bit was hilarious I do feel we need more.
There are people who would believe in everything just to protect his self-esteem.
No he let a smile slip through when he said he was poisoned. That is a fruedian slip
Poor old man doesn’t need to be risking his health or reputation. All it would take is one hit or fall at his age.
Thé name of the poison is called Pressure Test 😉
Hilarious!
His next loss will be due to Jupiter being in alignment with Mars, that's his kryptonite.
Poision and punching to the head have similiar symptoms. Its just funny that he felt dizzy from the poison right after the first blow.🤔
At this level, I would believe he believes he could beat Godzilla
Reminds me a bit of Charlie Zelenoff. You can't know for sure if he truly believes in his abilities or not. But at least this guy won't try to sucker punch his adversaries.
This shit is sad to see. There’s a lot of delusion here on the part of the Tai Chi master. Not that this would change a thing, but I’d like to see better age matching in these fights though.
I mean... most people misunderstand Tai Chi Chuan. Sometimes to the world's benefit. But knowing its actual historical origins and uses make charlatans like this even harder to tolerate.
He watched the movie Fearless way too many times to think ppl are poisoning him to make him lose. XD
That "Master" old man! If he would have said that I would have happy😂
He could be doing a a reference about:
A) Self delusion is poison.
B) Brett Michaels.
I would pick B...no evidence but no doubt either.
I am 100% sure, he truly believes his own lies.
Oh gosh....come on. The dude is like 30 years his senior. That should have never happend no matter how much smack was being said.
Tia Chi is Not trained for MMA combat period!
The Tai Chi Master Ma Baoguo lost because he was much weaker and slower than Xu Xiaodong. The conditioning training (training strength, speed, stability, etc.) between these 2 individuals is indeed different. Without knowing much about MMA or Tai Chi, I KNOW that their conditioning methods and training are different.
Still...
I don't care what style you practice. If you're not fast enough to land a strike on your opponent? If you can't hurt a person with your punch or kick, or have a grip strong enough to hold, lock, or wrestle your opponent, it doesn't matter what technique you use, you will LOSE... Waitaminute... I want to edit my previous statement. After some contemplation on this matter, I think it is WRONG that I stated "you will LOSE". It is actually the kind of ignorance I abhor... I apologize... I'm more comfortable with stating:
I don't care what style you practice. If you're not fast enough to land a strike on your opponent? If you can't hurt a person with your punch or kick, or have a grip strong enough to hold, lock, or wrestle your opponent, it doesn't matter what technique you use, it doesn't matter if you strike and land "Right on the Button" multiple times. The PROBABILITY that you will lose the fight is extremely high. But I still believe that there is always some chance "in the universe" that someone who may look like they're gonna lose will actually win. Win due to the existence of that "1 in a Trillion Chance" that had them winning...
Let's say:
Mike Tyson Vs Khloé Kardashian. Who would win in the Boxing Ring? My money is on Mike Tyson with my Bookies in this Universe, and the next one. Still, no matter how REMOTE the possibility is, it isn't an IMPOSSIBILITY, and so, there is a REMOTE REMOTE REMOTE Possibility that Khloe Kardashian can defeat Mike Tyson in the ring!
Absolutely useless informatio, and high Probability that it is incorrect...
Yes more translations of this interview
Not many people can face their shadow. Internally there is conflict. He really had deluded himself into thinking he would win the fight. But then it did not go his way. He is so overwhelmed by this delusion being broken, that part of him genuinely suspects foul play. But another part of him knows this is not true, that he has been lying to himself. So he chooses not to focus or face that. He is very much aware of this game he plays, but he will never look at the game or acknowledge it, he will always avoid it. Because addressing it, would again be facing his shadow and admitting the truth.
He likely hasn't been super vocal about this, because he knows it is not true, so that is why he only tells family or friends - He is looking to reaffirm the lie he is telling himself in others. Each time we see our false image reflected by those around us, we move a further degree from the truth.
I have always tried to be an optimist and hope that these people are just lying for the showmanship of it. They can't ACTUALLY believe this crap. Then I watched the energy shield guy fighting on his knees vs a professional fighter. After that, I think they believe but they believe it so hard that the reason for their failure has to come from somewhere other than, this crap I've been dedicating my life to is a sham.
See, the problem is that China has been caught up in so many decades perhaps centuries of this theatre martial art that they’re left disappointed every time they get defeated, blaming themselves for losing the fight RATHER THAN looking closely at the style of ‘fighting’ and acknowledging that it is a meditative movement rather than meant for combat.
And this is why mostly older people do this rather than youngsters.
It's kinda sad. Look at it from his perspective. After losing that badly to an amateur, the only logical conclusion is that he's wasted decades of his life on pseudo-combat... So the only way to cope with that is to be in denial.
It's funny because Huo Yuanjia didn't really get into fights with foreigners, there was one with a Russian Wrestler, the Russian was going around town claiming that no Chinese man can defeat him, when Huo Yuanjia came up to him and accepted to fight him, the Russian told him he was joking and left town. I can tell Huo was all like "Dude, really?" I know that feeling all too well.
Really nice vid!
I guess putting any doubt out there, as this interviewee does, can confuse an issue for some observers.
Also, as people are commenting below, real situations can feel quite different. Maybe one way of looking at it is that someone who I've never seen before (I guess!) can suddenly appear in public, yell something at me, and give me a really horrible feeling that can linger, despite no physical contact. Same with an animal threat, even with no actual contact, showing that it's not just a human to human issue. The body seems to react in certain ways, not too mention with regard to "emotions" and "spiritual areas," both of which I believe can be very important.
So, if ~ as some are suggesting ~ this gentleman has little simulated or real confrontation experience, no wonder he could feel like he's poisoned. Whether that's true or comes from a movie plot, as people also suggest, I believe are points also worth discussing... I'd make a guess as to the veracity, but will leave it to others to draw what they think is most likely also.
Maybe fights can also appear easier than what happens in real situation or competition such as this.
Thanks, Jerry, for the work here!
"no evidence so I've only told friends" said in a broadcast interview. Interviewer must have poisoned him with stupid.
I'm surprised he even has friends. 😂
As if he wouldn't have given all his students those same excuses Lol and probably everyone he meets.
And I can just imagine one of his poor brainwashed students thinking like "oh no. Master has been poisoned and had a magic chase put on him. I must train hard hard in masters secret style and defeat these poisoners to defend Masters honor!" 🙃😆
I think he really believes it. ^^