There's NOTHING else like it! BEACN Mix & Mix Create Review
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- Опубліковано 30 тра 2024
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It's finally here! This is my BEACN Mix and Mix Create review! These are very interesting devices, but I expect they're not quite what everyone was expecting. Let's talk about them, my issues with them, and how they compare to the GoXLR, PCPanel, and Elgato Wave XLR!
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(NOTE: Mentioned software tutorials are not ready yet, I have not had enough time. SoonTM.)
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TIMECODES:
00:00 What the hell are these?
01:23 Physical Build Quality
01:45 Audio Controllers vs Mixers
02:30 Who are these for?
03:20 Bring your own mic!
03:59 BEACN Mix/Create vs GoXLR (Knobs vs Sliders)
04:43 Super Simple Setup w/ Mix
05:25 These are redundant
06:25 BEACN Mix vs PCPanel
07:33 You NEED this in your stream!
09:15 Advanced use cases/setups
10:30 Mix Create's superpowers
10:58 Limitations Afoot!
14:00 Software & Driver Stability Issues...
15:25 My BIGGEST disappointment
16:14 Sustainability/Repairability Concerns
16:44 Pricing - Worth it?!
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Thank you for illustrating the particular use-case scenarios. I'm in that group where I pair the PC Panel Pro with the Elgato virtual cables *just* to adjust volumes as I hear them (with OBS mostly just running Win-Capture-Audio, bypassing devices entirely, so submixing is *kind* of possible) and it suits me down to the ground at a more competitive price (assuming someone either already has an elgato mic or buys the set of 5 VB Virtual Cables on the cheap), but I'd hope that with some future software support these products find their exact audience.
This is an _awesome_ review. I'm not ready to buy one of these, but your methodology and explanations for all the BEACN pros and cons are spot on. *Well done!*
Thank you :)
Great detailed review as usual, man!
Amazing stuff. Love the crt transformer
As someone still stuck using Voicemeeter because I own a USB Rode-NT mic and don't want to buy a full suite of GoXLR products, I had high hopes for this one. I appreciate your very informative video; I still think it has a lot of potential if they work out some of the kinks.
Curious why eposvox dosent like voicemeeter haha, the way he sayd its name haha. Ive been using it for years and years and only issue i have with it, is forcing me to use a keyboard sleep button to sleep the pc, since windows thinks an audio device is constantly in use
Its vban function is handy af , and i find it helps me improove my blue yeti mic audio, while offering me additional audio channels
@@Chillst0rm I assume its him wanting hardware control. I'm the same way. Voicemeter is fine, but I personally need something that I can control from my fingertips at all times. This device is almost exactly what I want, but hearing about it's poor build quality is what killed it for me.
@@zynthio if you want hardware control over voicemeters aditional lines, look into pcpanel or turnuptech they both have whats called usb volume mixers, with full voicemeter intergration. Adds that fingertip avenue your looking for.
Epos i think has a video on one of them
@@Chillst0rm vban maybe hard, but its fun to play with it , once master you will enjoy it.
You are the first person I’ve seen leverage any semblance of criticism towards the beacn products. It’s really nice to see a video that isn’t just another ad in disguise. Thank you!
I take back everything I have said in the past about my GoXLR mini software.
Reality Check. Writing Software is Hard. Writing new software to a high standard for a new hardware product launch is super hard.
and yes. If they opensource the drivers it might get a lot more community support too!
Great video. Fair and honest Review
I think for me, the difference here is that the GoXLR is at least limited in functionality by the hardware that is on the device. Meanwhile, (at least based on what Epos said) the Mix is all software, at least for much of the control aspect. You can add more tracks, so it stands to reason that you should be able to add more output tracks and stuff like that. Also, I think something like open sourcing the drives would be huge. I think this has the opportunity to be the ultimate desktop mixing system on the planet, but there's a few things it's missing.
Very nice. I have a question though . Lets say you had two audio sources, could you route one to your speakers and the other to your headphones and have them playing at the same time?
Also , could you make a video discussing which simple/affordable XLR interfaces work well with this device? I already bought a XLR mic and was saving up for an interface but if I buy the BEACN Mix Create then there's no point in spending a lot of money on an expensive interface with a lot of features since the BEACN Mix Create already has a lot of these features. Do I just buy a cheap Neewer xlr interface for example? Is there a XLR interface with higher end components that makes your mic sound better and not have any extra features built in? Just trying to save some money and not waste it when it's not necessary.
I stay with my GoXLR mini atm, the only think I miss there is the possibilty controlling volume for stream and my headphone differently. Maybe I buy a soundcraft ui12 hm or does there exist any other solutions or audiointerfaces that are capable of that?
Great review, as always!
Did you set your mic's gate using the Beacon create's loose knobs? ;-)
I bought a loupedeck to work as a stream deck and a usb mix controller for both obs and my computer its self. I haven't regretted it yet. The fact it was originally designed as a graphics creation tool made it all the better.
Does the loupedeck come with audio devices of some sort? Or are you using it to control audio devices? If the latter, what are you using to expand to more audio devices?
@@DarkSwordsman I'm using it to control audio devices. Everything is controlling is connected to my pc over USB. Other then that I can use what's essentially windows' sound manager to control the volume of each program via the loupdeck's knobs. The volume management of obs is done with websockets.
@@brianjones6465 Creator. Funny story I ordered live off amazon and they sent me creator instead.
Not sure if you'll see this, but what are your thoughts on a loupedeck live + voicemeeter plugin, vs the beacn stuff? Thats my current setup, debating if I should change to this.
Soooooooooo pumped for these!!!
I plan to use the beacn create for my hyper x quadcast microphone model with rgb lighting, but i was wondering if the mixer would prevent my microphone from accessing the hyper x rgb software?, because it uses that software to change the color
with go xlr now end of support since same devs does this still have support?
Thanks for the info
Mid 2022 have your thoughts on this changed? I'm looking for a device and in between GoXLR, Wave XLR and Beacn Mix Create. I'm currently working with a USB mic (Blue Jeti) with a MAYBE possibility of upgrading to an XLR in the future. Do you think something like Wave XLR + Mixer would be the best combo? Would really love to know what you think now.
Check my latest video lol
Glad you talked about the PC panel. Great video
i still can't decide which one i should get.
someone should make a video "beacn mix vs mix create vs pc panel"
What mic do you use in the scenes where you can’t see it in the shot? Is that still the Shure SM7B?
Sennheiser MKH-416
So I am probably just dumb but can the Beacn Create also control audio from programs as well or is that just a feature fore the Beacn Mix? I just think its interesting this video showed up on my feed after thinking how I wish there was a device that had physical knobs so I can control the volume on specific programs. For example sometime my discord voice chat get really drowned out cause the game volume is way too high and have to bring it down after the game loads or vice versa. So if this device can adjust volumes for any program that is running I am definitely buying one.
For the Create you have to assign programs to specific devices then you can control them, but not the direct program like the Mix
@@EposVox ah I see well thats unfortunate that the Create cant control the program like the mix but thanks for the clarification
Check the PC PANEL. It might solve what your are looking to do (i have one and love it )
so if i wanted to add physical controls to wave link...would you recommend the mix or the create?
The Mix
What an intro ❤️
i want a mix create but its not available on amazon, and its "sold out" on their site. any word on when they'll be available?
You just missed a restock like 4-5 hours ago, heh. I don’t know how timing works, but they’ve been restocking in waves.
Does it allow you to run multiple output devices, or just one?
Multiple, kinda
Knowing your stance on their microphone how do you feel about this mixer ?
Great writing and editing on this one.
Thanks for the good review on these products, highlighting the good and bad. Helped me decide these are not he devices for me, at this time at least. Not the GoXLR killer a lot of people kept making these out to be.
My setup includes an SM7B mic, optical audio inputs from my console, and 3.5mm headset output, so the lack of I/O here really kills it for me. I would love submix support and to get rid of the buggy GoXLR software (not that the Beacn sounds any better right now), but at best I could swap out to my Mini (and tuck it away somewhere) and use the Create for volume control. Not worth the cost, effort, and likely frustration with bugs of BOTH the GoXLR and Beacn software forming some kind of nightmare Voltron with Windows.
I hope they keep working on their software and in the future release some hardware with I/O support. Even if it is not an all in one device like the GoXLR, providing the I/O (with mic effects in software) as an extra device for the many of us with existing setups would go a long way.
What is your solution to no submixes on the GOXLR?
PERSONALLY I feel no submix on GoXLR is fine. Literally just make your stream mix in OBS. Done.
@@kellyconkelton46 Currently I have things mixed close enough it isn't a big deal, but could do as EposVox mentioned and mix in OBS. That said, the GoXLR team does have sub-mixes listed on their new features in development channel in discord. Based on the following it looks like they are aiming for their next software update, but still probably have a lot of work left to do on it.
"Under development. Have this slotted for the next application update. It's a big feature and we want to do it right so we have spent a lot of time looking at what is out there currently. What would work on GoXLR and what wouldn't."
@@Terrorskull that’s significant last week when I checked I thought I saw under development and no tentative date. Appreciate the response!
@@EposVox Definitely could have worded that better. As in that was an issue for me that I was trying to work around. Appreciate the response though!
The editing and everything in this video 10/10 NODDERS
Any suggestions on how to pair a go xlr with a budget device similar to the rode caster so that I could use 2 microphones
You just have to manage the multiple mics in your DAW or streaming software, you can’t add external devices to the GOXLR
@@EposVox yeah I found a video explaining that I could use a rode caster pro to be able to do it. Thanks for the reply
I don't stream. I need something to seperate audio from game/my mic/discord(friends mic). Can this do this?
I record with amd relive (not obs)
Yes
Tempting. I already went through the work to get my Korg Nanokontrol 2 to work with VM. Elgato needs to make one of these.
Do i understand correctly that i can control Elgato Wavelink with this?
Correct
Yep
Can this thing route all the separate inputs i have on my scarlet 8i6. That would be a killer feature.
if they show up in windows as separate inputs, yes
Hey they actually updates alot of the issues youve had .. def listened to the people i think Beacn is goin in the right direction
Is this device good to pair with the wave xlr or no ??
Yes, as I said multiple times throughout the video
This is my plan! I plan to ditch the goXLR mini and get the wave XLR and mix create
is that BeatmUps in the backround? ;)
While I do understand what you can do with devices like these, I still don't know why I would want to hear different volume levels on my headphones than what the stream hears. I mean, if for example I can't understand people in discord due to loud music, I also know the stream can't understand them. If I only lower the music for my headphones but not for the viewers, I wouldn't notice a problem until they tell me.
So what exactly is the benefit to have different volumes for me and the stream?
Think the opposite of what you just describe. For a pleasant listening experience, your game sound or music needs to be very quiet, as you described. But if you want to be super focused on the game, you want it much louder.
I always keep my streams and recordings with set locked levels, meanwhile I always want full control to adjust what I hear
@@EposVox Ok, I never had that problem. I just balance music, ingame sound and discord so that I can hear everything fine and therefor the stream hears it fine too. Don't need very loud game sound to focus in a game.
So for me there is no real benefit from different audio levels for my headphones and the stream. 🤷♂️
Guess I'll save me the money for such devices. 😎
When you just set up voicemeeter the other day and hear Epos sigh in a disappointed fashion at your choices
i've ordered the standard mix, i'm not a streamer and if i do it's casual, i also have steelseries sonar installed for virtual audio devices, i just wanted the nice hardware to change chat and game sounds etc independent from each other
Cool intro 🔥
Thanks!
Dude, your handwriting is almost identical to mine. Like seeing your sticky notes on your screen, I was taken aback thinking I wrote them. Very odd. Thanks for all the info!
i think my biggest disappointment is the mute profiles on the fly
i sometimes stream social deduction games with friends so being able to selectively mute my mic on Discord so i can talk to chat or mute it entirely without using the (rather noisy) button on my Yeti would be a godsend
hopefully BEACN changes that or maybe there'll be some Stream Deck plugin or something that'll let you do that :(
or stick with the mute button on my Stream Deck for one and use the BEACN for the other but honestly that’s kind of dumb :\
@eposvox sounds like the noise reduction on your mic might be biting a bit hard around 2m07s
similar at about 11mins (in the Limitations afoot chapter)
Fucking GoXLR update trashed my noise gate settings and I had no idea it even updated until too late
@@EposVox ARGH - and how ironic that it did it on this video of all the ones it could have been
@@EposVox ya had to go & tweak it myself after the update… all types of bugs now.
TL:DR version, Voicemetere potato with a hardware controller, at over elgato streamdeck prices, without any streamdeck functions - yet?
Cool intro with throwback from Starscream from Transformers. Hehe
This just makes me wish more and more that Elgato would release a version of the Wave XLR with multiple knobs LMAO
I'd like to mention to check the cstates for your AMD rig. In my case, I fixed the USB issue in a similar manner but still experienced audio stutters and system issues. With daily use it would happen once a day for a brief second and then never occur again. Turns out C-states was dropping the amount of power going to my processor past 1v. Disabling the C-states on my mobo remedied the issue entirely.
Ah, the Soundcraft Signature 12 MTK ❤ I have found another mixer I want to swap to though, cause it's digital and has 16 channels, the PreSonus StudioLive 16.0.2 USB. Then you don't need other compressors and other things like that as well as you can do it all digitally in the mixer. But it's twice as expensive.
Can it handle high Ohm headphones 250Ohm and more? Goxlr is not perfect for high Ohm headphones 😢
@@DieTabbi I don't know, but I use a headphone amp connected to my mixer's Group 1 and 2 out so I can adjust volumes for speakers and headphones independently.
@@Alexandra-Rex ah ok, think your setup works differently. I can use the headphone jack at goxlr connect it with my preamp but that isnt great.
Can you confirm there's support for ASIO devices?
Yes there is ASIO support for the device.
Is there a 1/4 thread on the bottom???
No :(
@@EposVox Well figgle bits. haha. Thankyou for the reply. If I do end up purchasing I will figure something out.
I'd like an XLR version of this
unfortunately when i plugged mine in, it didn’t work :/ i think i am going to have to return it
Would this be an an comparable alternative to Voicemeeter?
The Create would, yes!
I'm guessing you probably tried it already, but AMD did drop chipset driver update around a year ago to quell weird USB problems. It did not solve all problems as some problems were caused by device itself (Behringer X-Touch, don't even try to hide behind others for your own problems...). Still wouldn't be surprised that they didn't get all problems sorted with updates.
I’m on a fresh install of windows, I installed the latest chipset drivers as of Jan 20 lol
@@EposVox I guess that goes under trying it already :-D
I love the Hill Bo song
i just searched my mix and found this video, not disappointed
Keep saying u just need a midi mixer (like behringer x touch mini ) and the software "midi mixer"
Will have to look at the pc panel pro. I am generally a Linux guy but am debating setting up a windows 10 PC just for a streaming PC. Hate to do it but will depend on how into it I get and what streaming gadgets I decide I need.
Maybe OBS 28 will make my Mac m1 mini a viable option but I'll need some sort of dock.
My biggest disappointment about the Beacn devices is the lack of Mac support. I get that it's not typical "gamer" streamer setup to go with Mac. But people who stream for business and other stuff like that. Or development, or music, or whatever. Do.
Yeah :/ I expected it since they didn’t support it on GoXLR
I agree, disappointed. I think they would get so many more customers on Mac because of people working one post covid etc..
@@tfraley I get that it takes more work to support platforms other than windows. But man, would have bought into this in a heartbeat if it supported Mac.
I fckin love my pc panel
I'm sad because this is probably the closest I've seen to a perfect mixer in my opinion, but it falls short in very small ways that you mentioned.
I mainly just want to be able to create endless audio devices without much hassle that I can endlessly mix how I want. BEACN is right there, so close! Yet so far. It's basically a slightly better GoXLR, which in terms of audio routing, isn't great.
If I had to pay a $5 subscription fee in order to use unlimited audio tracks, so be it! I just don't understand why that functionality cannot exist. I knew that people hyping up BEACN make me feel annoyed, because this always happens. I am hoping for future iterations to improve, because I would gladly spend my money on the Create even in it's current state.
I completely agree! I feel like this is the biggest shortcoming of it and where they could've had the biggest upper hand over the GoXLR. It seems kinda ridiculous to have a set of page-changer buttons on the Mix Create and then only allow for ONE additional page. Seems sooo underutilized -- they could have more mixes or individual application control slots in those portions.
@@DrawThatRedstone I was just looking to buy one I didn't know it only gave you one other page..... Hopefully they can improve upon it with just a firmware update though cuz it doesn't seem like a hardware limitation at least...
ts so much devices. I use a rode nt1a, an focusrite interface, a small slider midi controller and the so hated voicemeeter. they do all the jobs perfectly, its cheap, its easy and I can hear myself latency free. Ive tried it all: the analog mixer, the goxlr, etc. … ive send it all back. there is nothing on the market that justafies any change to this setup. interesting though how the market develops.
Does the BEACN mix or MIX Create have like Audio Amplifier just like the AStro TR Mixamp?
There’s no I/O at all as I made very clear multiple times throughout the video
i just color coded my pc panel and called it a day 😎
I am using a AMD chipset and don't want to have this problem and go buy a Sonnet Allegro Card just to make it work 🤦♂️
Too bad it DOES NOT work on Macs. Argh. I've been using my Loupedeck for this quite well although very pricey...
Does it have a &(%^& button???
Mr. MetalShoulders said he has a floatplane to catch
Haha how come you arent a fan of voice meeter ? I find that combined with pcpanel is amazing
woooooooo
If only the Mix had the option to generate virtual audio devices then it would be exactly what i'm looking for
…that’s what the create is for lol. Same device with that being the difference
@@EposVox Yea, it just would be nice if the only difference was that the create has multiple pages of submixes. I might just pay the extra for the create since it's less expensive then i thought it will be
11:10 i think your attack is off. sounds like you are clipping or something
GoXLR update fucked my noise gate and I didn’t know (didn’t know it updated even) until too late :/
So many different companies, so many different products... someone come out with something useful. You could virtually create 1 piece of hardware/software that would make most others irrelevant. The GO XLR was close.
HOW BIG IS THAT CD DEAR GOD
How big all CDs were back in the day
Im a tad miffed. I know its not that big of deal, but I purchased and still not shipped. if it was ready and they had stock what is the hold up, if it was not ready why was it not a pre order. seems a tad on the shady side... not getting good vibes...
I… it’s been 24 hours and it’s a small team, a pandemic, and just general patience…wut?
I rarely buy ANYTHING that ships within 24 hours. Chill lmao
Hey there. Shipments were set to go out today and tomorrow but there are travel advisory and weather delays in Indiana where our shipping location is. We're waiting on an update from our shipping partner for sure before we send out communications to inform of the weather delay.
Serious mic clipping problems after 11:25, had to see if my headphones broke. Post production at fault? At 12:23 audio goes porridge.
Mic never once clips in this video.
The shot with the RE20 had the GOXLR unknowingly updating and ruining my noise gate setting without me knowing
So this is just a physical VoiceMeeter Banana?
It functions like Voicemeeter
I want hilbo
W T F so many Screens and CRT's OMG lol
AWSAME! DUDE!
First boi
Lies!
BT Microphones are incapable of anything more than 16bit@32kHz for recording. BT drivers can make this look better with up-scaling options, but even the latest BT specification does not have a recording rate greater than 16bit@32kHz. There is a headphone rate available which is much higher, but recording is limited by design and will never change. The drivers make make 24bit@96kHz or higher "available", but this is by interpolation and psyco-acoustic up-scaling tricks.
So, if you like your BT mic, fine. However, if you are a podcaster or live streamer, it is about the worst choice you can make.
As a Linux guy, I can do all this either just pavucontrol.
But, it's pretty cool if it would work, physical knows would be a nice to have.
Interested in the content, but wow is it hard to listen to all the crazy stuff
No xlr. No 3.5. Unless you buy into the microphone too. Seems like too many gotchas. I thought this was gonna be a better goxlr. But it’s half of what the goxlr even brings. No thanks
It was never going to be like the GoXLR, they have been pretty transparent about that to be fair
You are so much less obnoxious and condescendant than the other "streamer doctor" guy.
I usually watch both to see multiple opinions by two, sometimes conflicting opinions
Looks like i get a piece of crappy hardware and only a usable software for 200 dollars...
Kinda pointless and seriously overpriced products. I guess it’s been made for the ‘Must have’ people
Lol
he will give a good review, but the way he does this is so childish to even irritating, people will like this. so have fun. dude, this doesn't suit you, try speaking normally.
This might be the most contradicting comment I've ever received. It's a good review, but it's childish/irritating, but people will like it, and I should have fun but I should also not do this? You okay over there? Try taking a walk.