I was legit interested in the pantheon, knowing it was a commercial printer I assumed it would be outrageously expensive, but the actual cost still managed to surprise me.
Hey Joel - If you can pick up a Pantheon printer in BC, maybe you could take a speedboat ride back home from Vancouver to Seattle. And you could print a whole bunch of little benches, or maybe a gigantic one, during the boat ride. Bon voyage!
woww. i want for me. I just upgrade my creality with ballscrew. and i was loking to have second one from RATRIG but this numbers and detail without fail make me rethink it. Price price price.
Hey Joel, see if you can "borrow" or review a rivian, or a lightning ev vehicle and print on the way home. You'll get two reviews with one trip. just a thought...
idk I print with 300mm/s, 500mm/s travel speed, 4k acceleration with my Voron 2.4 350mm. That’s plenty fast and accurate with input shaper and pressure advance. Phanteon isn’t really that special.
Hey Joel! It was great meeting you at Rapid:) For the Pantheon machine I wanna see sideways if possible and printing one of the many torture tests by Angus from Makers Muse! And Since it’s so fast maybe try multiple prints at once?
That pantheon is super interesting. I would like to see a review. Not while riding in a car or dangling off a cliff necessarily. That would be silly. Will the price point be somewhat doable is also an interesting aspect.
I love how he throws out the speeds while it simultaneously is barely moving. My E3v2 with Klipper is running faster than that. I want to see a speed run against Vzbot.
With that Pantheon printer i would love to see you print i full body cosplay costume, Something like a Stormtrooper suit.. Or even better a Mandalorian suit. Things like that that Forever so if this printer is really as fast as he says then that would be a Great test
It is rare to see a printer in that price range that prioritizes design and build quality with high quality components instead of relying completely on ease of use and customer support. Not saying that you won't have those things, but this looks like a 6 or 7 grand machine with little overhead in other costs where as pretty much all the same price competitors look like 2 grand machines with inbuilt tutorials everywhere and 'usability' features that anybody actually in the business doesn't need. Of course it is overbuilt, but if my company ever needs mass production parts running 24/7, I know where I am looking first. With some changes this looks like it could also be adapted for high temperature printing due to all the electronics being at the top.
That would actually make for an amazing advertisment! Printing a benchy /small item while being dropped from a plane connected to a UPS and a parachute!
other than maybe in a crew dragon with the print starting exactly at T-5 seconds. So that its underway at engine ignition. Though that would take a lot of patreon donations to afford.
Great video. I love the Pantheon approach. I hope some of this trickles down. We've looked at using high-precision CT scans for some things at work (not for 3D prints). It's very expensive to outsource. 16:23 So Bob Ross named his son Thor (and changed his last name)?
For pantheon, print a flexible material while the printer is mounted on a shaker table, "swing", or tensegrity table so the lateral movements become harmonic. But ball screw motion control and servo drive seems insane.
I never understood why the printers that are geared more towards businesses don’t use servo, or at least closed loop, stepper drivers or closed loop control systems. Hell, at this point, I don’t get why “hobby grade” printers aren’t using closed loop drivers. It makes your printer more accurate, prevents steps, and will be able to alert you the moment something goes wrong (like a tool head jam or something blocking the nozzle causing it to skip). I’m waiting for groups like the Voron and RatRig to move away from steppers and only servos or brushless motors with encoders to help achieve faster print speed at high acceleration while maintaining accuracy.
@@nathan1sixteen My printer literally never skips steps, and Trinamic drivers can (probably?) detect missed steps anyway, the same way they detect when you hit the end of the axis with sensorless homing. The loads in 3d printing are so tiny that I don't think servos add anything but cost.
@@futuremapper_ closed loop directed really sent that expensive. And, considering these machines already cost over a grand to build, I don’t think an extra $100 is going to kill someone’s budget
@@jsincoherency Turn your acceleration up. You want to print faster, you need to crank up your acceleration. You turn it up too far and you’ll definitely skip steps, especially on a printer that may not be tuned correctly or may have a heavier tool head. I mean, my printer also rarely skips steps, but when it does, it’s incredibly frustrating. Also, the trinamic steppers can detect the skipped steps, but they can’t fix the problem. Even homing the machine isn’t super accurate. Closed steppers are crazy good at accuracy and just preventing it all together. Teaching tech (I think it was him) did a video a year or so ago with closed loop steppers, and he hit the axis with a rubber mallet while printing, and watching the machine recover almost instantly was super cool
15:00 I'm confused what problem they're trying to solve. Are they swapping hot ends? What I've done is purge PEEK with unmodified PC, so I don't have PEEK sitting in a hot end causing problems later.
Great coverage of the show Joel! Side note: Does anyone know where to get the STL of that Moonkight bust at 10:16? Ive searched around and cant find it.
It's wild what happens in a year. Today I can get similar speeds on the exact same printer I bought 3 years ago with a raspberry pi, klipper firmware, a cheap accelorometer and a simple hotend upgrade. Or you can buy one off the shelf for under $1000.
I'm going to need that CT scanner made portable and integrated video into; sunglasses or preferably contact lense nano projector. Superman Vision Upgrade, please let me know when this is ready.
Tesla car powered pantheon 3d printer so the prints can come out any where any time. The world isn’t setup for that to be useful yet thought but yeah fun idea 😄
Guy is named Kuba, similar to the country Cuba :D, but in Polish 'c' is not pronounced /k/ so it is writen by 'k' ;) So Kuba- shorter version o Jackob... but after all- good joke
Many years I bought a pen plotter. I bought one with servo motors because there were no stair steps on diagonals and arcs. Does it use the gcode arc commands. Cura's arcwelder plugin post processor, maybe?
The engineering behind that x-ray machine is probably insane. Imagine tracking the vectors and interference patterns of x-rays and mapping them to a 3d model. Amazing.
Excited about the Pantheon High-quality faster would really interest me - could reduce the number of machines I have while maintaining throughput and quality. Really hope to see more of this.
Fly it in an airplane. I'm talking, little Cessna on floats and land on some lakes. Also, if you had an electric car with V2L - you could power it all the way. Ask folks at Ford to lend you F150 lightning
I was thinking the same thing, but are those machines aren’t commercially available. You don’t see to many commercially available machines being able to achieve those speeds. Also, the adaptation of ball screws and servos is cool, and I hope that the servo part starts to catch on, as stepper motors are gonna start being the limiting factor, steppers aren’t designed to move at high speeds, so moving to a servo, or even a brushless motor with an encoder (which is basically what a servo is anyways) would be a “next step” type of improvement that I can see happening in the near future, especially in a lot of those “performance” geared machines
@@futuremapper_ Supply and demand, brother. Linear rails used to be super expensive too. It the demand goes up, so will the supply, and the cost will come down.
My cousin built a printer like the Pantheon himself, just another level above that one. The thing weights arround 80kg and alone the parts are arround 13k, but goes to show what crazy things are possible. Most impressive thing hes done is the 1cm thick Aerospace Aluminum alloy heatbed with 230V.
@@ExcitingCreations well it was a private project he has done for fun ^^ nothing of this is published or sold as a kit. hes just using it for his own projects.
It could be funny to 3D print driving directions while driving. Each time the printer paused, Joel could pop off the next driving direction and restart the print.
Looks like a step back. My Ender 3 and many other printers do the shaking autonomously.
This really got me. Thank you 😂
hahahaha
*Comment of the day.* 🤣
really like the idea of the ballscrews with no rails, but I don't think they have seen a voron lol
Very excited for high speed revo nozzles, especially if the length of the nozzle doesn't change...would truely be a game changer for Volcano+ speeds
I was legit interested in the pantheon, knowing it was a commercial printer I assumed it would be outrageously expensive, but the actual cost still managed to surprise me.
How much
Hey Joel - If you can pick up a Pantheon printer in BC, maybe you could take a speedboat ride back home from Vancouver to Seattle. And you could print a whole bunch of little benches, or maybe a gigantic one, during the boat ride. Bon voyage!
Benchies, not benches. Duh!
Nice! He is using a clearpath servo motor from technic. I have 4 of them and I am thinking of making a 3D printer out of them.
Nexa3D its look like future factory idea.
Build plate area is relatively small for such a giant machine
I really miss Sanjay :(
I would imagine a power inverter could run a 3D printer in a car so no need for batteries.
The batteries are so we can move it from bench to car, to helicopter and then to boat.
woww. i want for me. I just upgrade my creality with ballscrew. and i was loking to have second one from RATRIG but this numbers and detail without fail make me rethink it. Price price price.
For whatever reason I never saw that the E3D logo is a printing head. :)
Don't print while driving!
Hey Joel, see if you can "borrow" or review a rivian, or a lightning ev vehicle and print on the way home. You'll get two reviews with one trip. just a thought...
idk I print with 300mm/s, 500mm/s travel speed, 4k acceleration with my Voron 2.4 350mm. That’s plenty fast and accurate with input shaper and pressure advance.
Phanteon isn’t really that special.
The E3D booth without Sanjay is just not the same :(
Print benchy while sailing...
Hey Joel! It was great meeting you at Rapid:) For the Pantheon machine I wanna see sideways if possible and printing one of the many torture tests by Angus from Makers Muse! And Since it’s so fast maybe try multiple prints at once?
That pantheon is super interesting. I would like to see a review. Not while riding in a car or dangling off a cliff necessarily. That would be silly. Will the price point be somewhat doable is also an interesting aspect.
I think its fairly diyable if you can use a CNC actually
I love how he throws out the speeds while it simultaneously is barely moving. My E3v2 with Klipper is running faster than that. I want to see a speed run against Vzbot.
That wouldnt be fair 😂 in dont think this Maschine can do even a sub 10min benchy 😂
it wasnt meant to be SUPER fast its meant to be reliable at decent speed while also being to churn out quality parts
SUCH A GREAT SHOW! Glad you got all this coverage too. Despite walking through there for two days I still missed some of these booths.
With that Pantheon printer i would love to see you print i full body cosplay costume, Something like a Stormtrooper suit.. Or even better a Mandalorian suit. Things like that that Forever so if this printer is really as fast as he says then that would be a Great test
So great to meet you Joel. We'll see you in Van for beers and 3d printing.
It is rare to see a printer in that price range that prioritizes design and build quality with high quality components instead of relying completely on ease of use and customer support. Not saying that you won't have those things, but this looks like a 6 or 7 grand machine with little overhead in other costs where as pretty much all the same price competitors look like 2 grand machines with inbuilt tutorials everywhere and 'usability' features that anybody actually in the business doesn't need. Of course it is overbuilt, but if my company ever needs mass production parts running 24/7, I know where I am looking first. With some changes this looks like it could also be adapted for high temperature printing due to all the electronics being at the top.
You should print while skydiving with it
No one can top that
That would actually make for an amazing advertisment! Printing a benchy /small item while being dropped from a plane connected to a UPS and a parachute!
other than maybe in a crew dragon with the print starting exactly at T-5 seconds. So that its underway at engine ignition. Though that would take a lot of patreon donations to afford.
So much fun! I hope there is another video coming with more booths. I love seeing this stuff.
Are Thor and Sean related? High-5!
Great. Now I want a CT scanner. 😕
Great video. I love the Pantheon approach. I hope some of this trickles down.
We've looked at using high-precision CT scans for some things at work (not for 3D prints). It's very expensive to outsource.
16:23 So Bob Ross named his son Thor (and changed his last name)?
For pantheon, print a flexible material while the printer is mounted on a shaker table, "swing", or tensegrity table so the lateral movements become harmonic. But ball screw motion control and servo drive seems insane.
I never understood why the printers that are geared more towards businesses don’t use servo, or at least closed loop, stepper drivers or closed loop control systems. Hell, at this point, I don’t get why “hobby grade” printers aren’t using closed loop drivers. It makes your printer more accurate, prevents steps, and will be able to alert you the moment something goes wrong (like a tool head jam or something blocking the nozzle causing it to skip).
I’m waiting for groups like the Voron and RatRig to move away from steppers and only servos or brushless motors with encoders to help achieve faster print speed at high acceleration while maintaining accuracy.
@@nathan1sixteen My printer literally never skips steps, and Trinamic drivers can (probably?) detect missed steps anyway, the same way they detect when you hit the end of the axis with sensorless homing. The loads in 3d printing are so tiny that I don't think servos add anything but cost.
@@nathan1sixteen they don’t use closed loop because it’s more expensive
@@futuremapper_ closed loop directed really sent that expensive. And, considering these machines already cost over a grand to build, I don’t think an extra $100 is going to kill someone’s budget
@@jsincoherency Turn your acceleration up. You want to print faster, you need to crank up your acceleration. You turn it up too far and you’ll definitely skip steps, especially on a printer that may not be tuned correctly or may have a heavier tool head.
I mean, my printer also rarely skips steps, but when it does, it’s incredibly frustrating.
Also, the trinamic steppers can detect the skipped steps, but they can’t fix the problem. Even homing the machine isn’t super accurate. Closed steppers are crazy good at accuracy and just preventing it all together. Teaching tech (I think it was him) did a video a year or so ago with closed loop steppers, and he hit the axis with a rubber mallet while printing, and watching the machine recover almost instantly was super cool
Full speed benchy at 200% scale with the machine on its side
I love how you are not just ender 3 and prusa owner and call yourself expert. You really love this hobby. Glad i found your channel.
15:00 I'm confused what problem they're trying to solve. Are they swapping hot ends? What I've done is purge PEEK with unmodified PC, so I don't have PEEK sitting in a hot end causing problems later.
Great coverage of the show Joel!
Side note: Does anyone know where to get the STL of that Moonkight bust at 10:16? Ive searched around and cant find it.
I want my high flow .4 nozzle. Make it happen e3d!
Thanks for visiting Lumafield!
*_Hilarious, at first I was thinking darn this video is long. Near the end, I'm thinking darn this video is not long enough!_*
Gotta test it while it's on the side while driving maybe switch it to upside down while it's still printing.
400% benchy while driving. Run an ups connected to a power inverter. Call it the benchy beer run.
It's wild what happens in a year. Today I can get similar speeds on the exact same printer I bought 3 years ago with a raspberry pi, klipper firmware, a cheap accelorometer and a simple hotend upgrade. Or you can buy one off the shelf for under $1000.
I'm going to need that CT scanner made portable and integrated video into; sunglasses or preferably contact lense nano projector. Superman Vision Upgrade, please let me know when this is ready.
Tesla car powered pantheon 3d printer so the prints can come out any where any time.
The world isn’t setup for that to be useful yet thought but yeah fun idea 😄
I actually live somewhat near pantheon design. Maybe I'll swing by and take a look at their printers in person.
my voron 2.4 can go faster than that and still have bad ass quality
not sure this looks exciting to me
Joel: Industrial Additive, In Pajamas
Kube (from Nexa):
Guy is named Kuba, similar to the country Cuba :D, but in Polish 'c' is not pronounced /k/ so it is writen by 'k' ;) So Kuba- shorter version o Jackob... but after all- good joke
Who in all seriousness would set up print run for 500 pieces and then leave the building?
I think there could be a real market in a custom cabinet or a modular cabinet that does a lot of what Mosaic's big thing does.
Non perfect roads? In Washington? Never. 😑 lol
You are boss, be creative (lol). mount it on a vibrating platform to print.
Thor looked so excited when you suggested the tow hitch. I love it!
" Industrial additive in Pajamas....greatest marketing line.....ever. "
Skydive and print! Or fly me out to jump with it
what i got out from E3D is that the hardened nozzles are still a few months out?
Hi can you also show the Prusa XL at this event?
Yes! That video is on Saturday!
@@3DPrintingNerd thanks so much, I look forward to that printer every day!!
400mm/s Pantheon? That's cute xD
11:25 ... Dude should have said "Precisely" .. SMH..
Was the guy on the E3D a relative of Sanjay?
Really weird not to see Sanjay at the E3D booth.
How did you miss the pirate peg leg joke..
You just print your head with your hair in gel.
I am just interest in FDM printers. Affordable FDM printers for individuals. So... meh!
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wow
Many years I bought a pen plotter. I bought one with servo motors because there were no stair steps on diagonals and arcs. Does it use the gcode arc commands. Cura's arcwelder plugin post processor, maybe?
Thor Maan de Kok, most chad name ever.
3:40 print a truck on the printer in the truck.
Print a RC airplane and send it to me to test fly!🤷🏻♂️🤔🤔🤔😉😂😂😂
Вот и первое поколение принтеров для космоса.
The engineering behind that x-ray machine is probably insane. Imagine tracking the vectors and interference patterns of x-rays and mapping them to a 3d model. Amazing.
Bambu lab watching nd laughing
На швп собран принтер если кто то заметил ось Y
I think you should take the Pantheon printer in a boat for summer fun and printing on the water! 😂
Excited about the Pantheon High-quality faster would really interest me - could reduce the number of machines I have while maintaining throughput and quality. Really hope to see more of this.
Drive back in an electric car with power to load like the Kia EV-6.
I'd like a speed benchy for comparison on the pantheon printer.
That dude had a hicky
print under water
You gotta trying printing with it on a running washer/dryer
Fly it in an airplane. I'm talking, little Cessna on floats and land on some lakes. Also, if you had an electric car with V2L - you could power it all the way. Ask folks at Ford to lend you F150 lightning
We have plans to do land sea and air.
A belted stepper printer can handle those speeds…
Steppers have their limits. Closed loop servos can go much faster, are far more reliable and accurate...but they're expensive.
Awesome tech! Thanks for sharing!
Printing while driving would be epic
I did that in my video with the Ford Maverick - go look it up :)
"... because I don't like boogers when I'm printing either ..." Joel, you kill me! >.
Bahahaha
Those speeds are not crazy tbh. Annex and vez3d machines are capable of this too.
I was thinking the same thing, but are those machines aren’t commercially available. You don’t see to many commercially available machines being able to achieve those speeds.
Also, the adaptation of ball screws and servos is cool, and I hope that the servo part starts to catch on, as stepper motors are gonna start being the limiting factor, steppers aren’t designed to move at high speeds, so moving to a servo, or even a brushless motor with an encoder (which is basically what a servo is anyways) would be a “next step” type of improvement that I can see happening in the near future, especially in a lot of those “performance” geared machines
@@nathan1sixteen steppers at 48v do great up until 1.5m/s or so.
Acceleration is what makes prints fast, not speed.
@@nathan1sixteen ball screws are insanely expensive though
@@futuremapper_ Supply and demand, brother. Linear rails used to be super expensive too. It the demand goes up, so will the supply, and the cost will come down.
Did Rory say "Thanks Tom"?
VASE mod max speed upside down
Pls Print on the side while driving
Joel! Thank you! This was a great video. Great content.
Lots of innovative ideas on showcase, very interesting
Hmmm get a vibration plate maybe?
print a panther on the pantheon
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏🎉dude
Sweet🧐🙂
Slik af
Eiffel Tower! 80% infill
🔥💕👍
My cousin built a printer like the Pantheon himself, just another level above that one. The thing weights arround 80kg and alone the parts are arround 13k, but goes to show what crazy things are possible. Most impressive thing hes done is the 1cm thick Aerospace Aluminum alloy heatbed with 230V.
That sounds great! Do you know where I could find more info about it?
@@ExcitingCreations well it was a private project he has done for fun ^^ nothing of this is published or sold as a kit. hes just using it for his own projects.
@@Thor_Asgard_ I was referring to videos or photos mostly.
@@ExcitingCreations well if i dont forget it iam going to upload a picture and post the link here for you to see the machine :)
Ayyyy I was there when you were filming the Pantheon segment
No way!
@@3DPrintingNerd I am also in the background of the live stream! Rapid was wild
Where is prusa?
That video is Saturday.
The pantheon is cool but only there material library
Nope, you can use any material.
@@PantheonDesign I apologize I must have read wrong, so you can use any material form any company?
@@jthespiceoflife absolutely. We hate closed material libraries too. We only support our own filaments but you are welcome to use anyone else’s.
@@PantheonDesign understood, Thank you for your reply!
@@jthespiceoflife thanks for your comment!
It could be funny to 3D print driving directions while driving. Each time the printer paused, Joel could pop off the next driving direction and restart the print.