I thought if you had a speedy internet connection, rolling cache should be off. Has that changed? The Nvidia shader cache is a must and something I have been doing on a regular basis. To fully delete the shader cache, you should also do that from Disk Cleanup as there is a section named DirectX Shader Cache as even after clearing the folders under %appdata%\LocalLow\NVIDIA\PerDriverVersion\DXCache and %appdata%\Local\NVIDIA, there will be cache left to still clean.
I did forget the disk cleanup... crap.. I did it I just forgot to mention it... The other directory I did not know about and will be doing! :) And no you were right about the cache I reversed it lol.. Now I sound like an idiot lol
What I wonder about is how much your nvidia shader cache should inflate before you delete it? Mine is about 60mb, while I have allowed it to get to 5gb in the settings. I don’t see how 60mb are creating this bottleneck, nor how can it actually be this low?
This is like the 10th video from a MSFS youtubers I'm seeing in the last few days talking about clearing the rolling and shader cache. Do you guys all just copy off one another? I also don't understand why this is suddenly such a hot topic. Not to sound smartass, but this has been known literally for years and recommended after each sim or content update. If you got to the forums and search for stuttering this has for a long time been the no 1 recommendation.
Funny it took the community of YT MSFS streamers that long to realize this "tricks". In the official forums it is old news that the sim runs mostly better without any rolling cache and that cleaning it (if used) from time to time but certainly after each SU or WU prevents issues. Same goes for the DX shader cache. So for me, this vid is a nice reminder of what I anyway do after each SU, WU or nVIDIA driver release. Probably the most important message of this vid is however another one: please restart your computer. Many, many people have issues with "tricks" as the one shown here because they never restart their rig. You can not restart your computer too often and with a decent build, it should also not take more than 1 Minute to do so.
Dude ... this might (literally) be a game changer for me. I have been griping on my channel about the insane amount of popping in some mountains around the world. Cache-clearing aside ... I bet just tweaking the in-sim RC settings might be the curative elixir I've needed all along. Thanks for passing it along!
I have been doing these steps for months now and I do not experience any stutters in MSFS. There are also many other tweaks on YT which can help the sim run better. Today I carried out a disk clean on my drives and deleted 18GB. That was cool. In-game, I turn the rolling cache off .
What could b e the problem, if I cannot find a dxcache-folder at that location? I even tried to manually insert a folder naming it accordingly, but after playing for some time the folder remains empty, eventually vanishing again without any action on my part.
Better to stick with a LOD of 100 (as the difference is so slight above that and it kills fps), and instead use it to just lower LOD below 100 when your fps drops below a threshold of say 25fps for say 30 secs before reverting back to 100. I set mine to lower LOD from 100 by 30 if fps drops below 25, and it keeps it at a LOD of 70 then for 30 secs before raising it back to 100.
Holy Jesus… this is magnificent. Just did this and wow. Overkill, how often do you suggest this process gets repeated? Every month? 3 months? Thanks, man and I love you videos.
I haven't been getting micro stutters. I use MSFS Enhanced Map application but I don't use Google Maps. You have the option to use Bing maps and that might sound counter intuitive but hear me out because I think there are a few reasons that might put people off using Google Maps and I know this from my own experience. I tick the box for High LOD enabled and the box for High LOD enabled only when flying. This makes the scenery look way better out of the box but the best bit is that the EM app uses it's own cache which you can empty, or set to whatever value you like Zero being unlimited and you can switch off rolling cache altogether in the game.
I’ve done this before, still get stuttering, but with ingame cache turned off. I’ll try turning it on as you suggest. Funny, I have a DXCache but not GLCache file in Nvidia.
I've done all of these things previously and there is one thing I've never been able to stop going way back to the original sim and that is the five second pause about ten minutes into any flight.Apart from that,everything else is ok.I've even gone to the extreme lenths of rebuilding the OS with:-Dism /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth followed by :- sfc /scannow,But the pause is always there.....................................
Funny thing: so many MSFS video creaters are showing a video about the shutter subject at the same time. Is that a copy and paste thing? Same with the RTX card frame generation stuff.
Oh, here's something you all might not of thought of, If you have stutters and you own a 4K monitor at 60hz Like I do and changed to a gaming monitor , The 4K monitor that might be the problem and causing a lot stutters, If you own a gaming monitor and your refresh rate is up to 144hz, I found that you have way less stuttering and much smothers Flights and my FPS went up as well. Comments if anyone out there changed their monitor from a 4K Monitor at 60HZ to a Gaming monitor at 144HZ and Got better Frame rates and smoother game play.?
Why are so many uploading videos of fixing stuttering and fps? Is performance degrading on msfs the last few updates? Shouldn't we push Microsoft/Asobo to fix performance... I hope the new flight sim will be maybe a bit better optimized...
Many of the 'fixes', such as this one, seem to be more like housekeeping of rubbish that has built up over time especially if you've not had a recent fresh install. Could/should this clean-up be automated as part of each sim update I don't know. Other fixes would seem to fall into the optimization/enhancement category and often centre around Nvidia settings.
Just to say i followed these tips and it worked for me like a charm ! . I agree mfs is badly optimised , they were lazy relying on a single core to do all the heavy lifting .. but deleting all the cache does make it alot smoother … apparently in the mfs 2024 they have optimised the cpu load across all cores for a more smoother experience .
my specs are a AMD Ryzen 9 5980HX and Radeon 6800m, my issue is not the stutters on final but as soon as my rear wheels touch the ground the game freezes for 10-15 seconds making it very hard to enjoy the simulator and i have invested a great amount into addons and i feel it was a waste this is my last resort so if anyone has anything please let me know.
I get stutters from aircraft in flight. Not me but other aircraft, every aircraft i come across and even friends aircraft do this stutter skipping through the air so makes it impossible to fly in formation. Ive done delete rolling cache several times. Hard restart my console. I have 500mb speeds so not my Internet. Happening on my friends end as well when veiwing aircraft and seeing me mext to them. We're on Xbox series X. I think its just server issues. Game built fir pc amd later optimized for consoles. Consoles just not oowerful enough to run the game smoothly. Just my thoughts. Irritating not being able to fly with friends
What's with the 40 second long boat animation intro? We used to make fun of your heavy-metal exploding action logo followed by the nasally, " Hey guys, welcome back to Microsoft flight simulator". 😂 But this one isn't even funny, it's terrible and unrelated. You should cut out everything except the last 2-3 seconds, where it shows your logo.
@@OverkillSimulations hah. I think it's because I only just started MSFS2020 about 3 weeks ago... As soon as I googled my stutter problem I found like 20 videos just like this one and forum posts as well. Every video claimed "DO THIS AND ITS FIXED!!" and of course 1,000 comments saying "it worked THANK YOU".. Yet nobody is coming back to these comments / videos explaining the fix is completely temporary and there's basically no escaping this issue, the only real solution is turn off rolling cache completely and either waste your bandwidth / data cap perpetually, or turn off scenery completely and play MSFS in gimpy scenery mode without all of the high res imagery. All of that Nvidia cache clearing is basically a waste of time. The issue is they didn't engineer it to run on multiple core CPUs correctly so heavy disk I/O happens when the rolling cache fills and its trying to clear out old scenery while loading new scenery at the same time, this hangs up the main sim thread because they didn't figure out how to parallelize their code properly. As someone who just came into the game now, I'm deeply disappointed Asobo couldn't figure this out after 4 years...
Honestly, it seems the sim runs worse after each update. I was getting 60fps at ini LAX without a stutter around SU9. I now get 35-40fps with a few stutters at LAX. I’ve tried everything.
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since msfs 2024 will be out this year, msfs will get worse no matter what we do. they have to sell msfs 2024 and cause of this, as every corporation does these days... msfs will not get better
Disgusting to see when someone using a high end GPU like 3090/4080 with lotsa VRAM mentions they can help get rid of stutters and increase FPS and whatever all the while using defaultsetup they already can get good performance graphics.
@@carrotsandrunning yeah its like boasting you can afford a good rig while tricking the people with lower performance GPU it can help them. They actually dont even understand how their 'fix' works and what it takes to have it working and still want to take credit for it.
Funny you say this, I have a 4080 and have these problems and can't seem to fix them. Maybe people are saying they have these graphics cards just to be honest so they can get help, not trying to boast? 😂@RiemsAI
Maybe some users are just not aware....come on they are just trying to help...why do people always feel the need to look like smart asses and be like oh i knew that already...that is just annoying. I had no idea about this fix and it worked really well...so thanks to those people that are just there to help others that might know very little about sims issues...
So you basically clean the cache and gain temporary improvement, only for it to come back - what's stopping it from happening again ? Sorry but this is absolute nonsense advice. You only get smooth frames with high end hardware that can keep up the the graphical demands of titles like FS2020, and that is just a fact. Anything else is just snake oil. The only suggestion I have for folks with older hardware is to try the Frame Gen mod. THAT does work, at the expense of some VRAM ( DX12 only ) and some minor graphical artifacts on menus.
That is completely inaccurate statement. This improves performance across most titles especially following updates to drivers or the sim as cache files change and older garbage is left side. I don't usual make improvement videos if you look at my channel history. It has to be something that actually works. I'm genuinely suggesting doing a bit more digging into shader cache and what the impacts of old data is. I noticed a significant increase in smoothness not fps.. which is why I made the video. But to each their own I guess
Why do we need to do all that BS ? I'm not a Tech geek, why can't they fix it in the sim? I spend more time fartin around with it then enjoying it, tweaking the sound every time I change ac on top of that
Overkillsim....sigh. Dude, please, when sharing awesome info like above, please do it slowwwwwer. Trying to write the steps down was frustrating! SLOW IT DOWN, or stop drinking so much coffee.
I thought if you had a speedy internet connection, rolling cache should be off. Has that changed? The Nvidia shader cache is a must and something I have been doing on a regular basis. To fully delete the shader cache, you should also do that from Disk Cleanup as there is a section named DirectX Shader Cache as even after clearing the folders under %appdata%\LocalLow\NVIDIA\PerDriverVersion\DXCache and %appdata%\Local\NVIDIA, there will be cache left to still clean.
I did forget the disk cleanup... crap.. I did it I just forgot to mention it...
The other directory I did not know about and will be doing! :)
And no you were right about the cache I reversed it lol..
Now I sound like an idiot lol
@@OverkillSimulationsSo should the rolling cache ingame be set to OFF, not ON?
@@kennykanada Off.
What I wonder about is how much your nvidia shader cache should inflate before you delete it? Mine is about 60mb, while I have allowed it to get to 5gb in the settings. I don’t see how 60mb are creating this bottleneck, nor how can it actually be this low?
All the files in the DX cache will not delete, then what?
This is like the 10th video from a MSFS youtubers I'm seeing in the last few days talking about clearing the rolling and shader cache. Do you guys all just copy off one another?
I also don't understand why this is suddenly such a hot topic. Not to sound smartass, but this has been known literally for years and recommended after each sim or content update. If you got to the forums and search for stuttering this has for a long time been the no 1 recommendation.
Funny it took the community of YT MSFS streamers that long to realize this "tricks". In the official forums it is old news that the sim runs mostly better without any rolling cache and that cleaning it (if used) from time to time but certainly after each SU or WU prevents issues. Same goes for the DX shader cache. So for me, this vid is a nice reminder of what I anyway do after each SU, WU or nVIDIA driver release. Probably the most important message of this vid is however another one: please restart your computer. Many, many people have issues with "tricks" as the one shown here because they never restart their rig. You can not restart your computer too often and with a decent build, it should also not take more than 1 Minute to do so.
Dude ... this might (literally) be a game changer for me. I have been griping on my channel about the insane amount of popping in some mountains around the world. Cache-clearing aside ... I bet just tweaking the in-sim RC settings might be the curative elixir I've needed all along. Thanks for passing it along!
You bet buddy! Good luck!
I have been doing these steps for months now and I do not experience any stutters in MSFS.
There are also many other tweaks on YT which can help the sim run better. Today I carried out a disk clean on my drives and deleted 18GB. That was cool.
In-game, I turn the rolling cache off .
Why do we have to solve all this sht ourselves. Man I love Asobo
Great advice : )
Been clearing caches on stuff for decades... various ways, always helps
Your cleared for takeoff O7
Butter smooth approaches in VR Thanks. ! This video made a huge difference, on a very high end system .
Thanks. I'll be trying this.
What could b e the problem, if I cannot find a dxcache-folder at that location? I even tried to manually insert a folder naming it accordingly, but after playing for some time the folder remains empty, eventually vanishing again without any action on my part.
Have you tried out that Dynamic TLOD tool yet? Just saw a video about it. Looks very interesting.
Great tool, it's stopped all my stuttering even with a in-builds A310. Aso changing from TRA to DLSS and DLAA helped me.
Better to stick with a LOD of 100 (as the difference is so slight above that and it kills fps), and instead use it to just lower LOD below 100 when your fps drops below a threshold of say 25fps for say 30 secs before reverting back to 100.
I set mine to lower LOD from 100 by 30 if fps drops below 25, and it keeps it at a LOD of 70 then for 30 secs before raising it back to 100.
I don't seem to have a GL Cache folder, even though I have searched my Drive C entirely. However, I do have the DX Cache folder. Thank you.
Thank you for the amazing video!!!!! QUESTION: How often do we need to DELETE rolling Caches of you have them ON?
Holy Jesus… this is magnificent. Just did this and wow. Overkill, how often do you suggest this process gets repeated? Every month? 3 months? Thanks, man and I love you videos.
Thanks for the heads up!
trying to do this but i don't have an NVDIA folder in my local app data folder. Any ideas (RTX 3080)
I haven't been getting micro stutters. I use MSFS Enhanced Map application but I don't use Google Maps. You have the option to use Bing maps and that might sound counter intuitive but hear me out because I think there are a few reasons that might put people off using Google Maps and I know this from my own experience.
I tick the box for High LOD enabled and the box for High LOD enabled only when flying. This makes the scenery look way better out of the box but the best bit is that the EM app uses it's own cache which you can empty, or set to whatever value you like Zero being unlimited and you can switch off rolling cache altogether in the game.
Oh really!!??
I'll look into that and share it as well
I don't have either of those cache folders, do you know why?
I still have stutter and freeze when approach airport
kinda stupid qwe have to do this manually. microsoft should implement a way to do it automatically after a sim or world update
I’ve done this before, still get stuttering, but with ingame cache turned off. I’ll try turning it on as you suggest. Funny, I have a DXCache but not GLCache file in Nvidia.
GLCache is for openGL as name implied. XP12 or cross platform games uses openGL
Does that mean we will have to repeat this process on a regular basis? (As in clear our caches and stuff)?
DXcache not on my pc
Good video but how often should this process be done?
I've done all of these things previously and there is one thing I've never been able to stop going way back to the original sim and that is the five second pause about ten minutes into any flight.Apart from that,everything else is ok.I've even gone to the extreme lenths of rebuilding the OS with:-Dism /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth followed by :- sfc /scannow,But the pause is always there.....................................
I deleted the dx cache folder but it never came back into the Nvidia folder. How can I get it back in there
thanks ill try it
I followed the instructions closely but my stutters have gotten MUCH worse! Any others with same experience?
Funny thing: so many MSFS video creaters are showing a video about the shutter subject at the same time. Is that a copy and paste thing? Same with the RTX card frame generation stuff.
Oh, here's something you all might not of thought of, If you have stutters and you own a 4K monitor at 60hz Like I do and changed to a gaming monitor , The 4K monitor that might be the problem and causing a lot stutters, If you own a gaming monitor and your refresh rate is up to 144hz, I found that you have way less stuttering and much smothers Flights and my FPS went up as well. Comments if anyone out there changed their monitor from a 4K Monitor at 60HZ to a Gaming monitor at 144HZ and Got better Frame rates and smoother game play.?
Why are so many uploading videos of fixing stuttering and fps? Is performance degrading on msfs the last few updates? Shouldn't we push Microsoft/Asobo to fix performance... I hope the new flight sim will be maybe a bit better optimized...
Not a bit butter optimized.. But MUCH, MUCH better optimized. Like XP optimized.
Many of the 'fixes', such as this one, seem to be more like housekeeping of rubbish that has built up over time especially if you've not had a recent fresh install. Could/should this clean-up be automated as part of each sim update I don't know. Other fixes would seem to fall into the optimization/enhancement category and often centre around Nvidia settings.
I never do these kind of cleanups and I have no to minimal stutters on my Ryzen 7 5800x3d & RTX 4070 combo.
Just to say i followed these tips and it worked for me like a charm ! . I agree mfs is badly optimised , they were lazy relying on a single core to do all the heavy lifting .. but deleting all the cache does make it alot smoother … apparently in the mfs 2024 they have optimised the cpu load across all cores for a more smoother experience .
That's why I don't want to purchase FS 2024
I never had stuttering in MSFS and VR until the last updates
Something broke my sim.
I use the Q3 headset .
my specs are a AMD Ryzen 9 5980HX and Radeon 6800m, my issue is not the stutters on final but as soon as my rear wheels touch the ground the game freezes for 10-15 seconds making it very hard to enjoy the simulator and i have invested a great amount into addons and i feel it was a waste this is my last resort so if anyone has anything please let me know.
Followed the tutorial but still getting the stutters. So annoying i dont even feel like playing anymore😢
I'll keep digging buddy lol. I'm trying lol
Console fix?
I get stutters from aircraft in flight. Not me but other aircraft, every aircraft i come across and even friends aircraft do this stutter skipping through the air so makes it impossible to fly in formation. Ive done delete rolling cache several times. Hard restart my console. I have 500mb speeds so not my Internet. Happening on my friends end as well when veiwing aircraft and seeing me mext to them. We're on Xbox series X. I think its just server issues. Game built fir pc amd later optimized for consoles. Consoles just not oowerful enough to run the game smoothly. Just my thoughts. Irritating not being able to fly with friends
I do not have DX Cache only GL. What now
Never mind
Is there any options for amd gpu users?
all i did was turn my refresh rate to 50% did the trick in the game not nvidia profile
What's with the 40 second long boat animation intro?
We used to make fun of your heavy-metal exploding action logo followed by the nasally, " Hey guys, welcome back to Microsoft flight simulator". 😂 But this one isn't even funny, it's terrible and unrelated. You should cut out everything except the last 2-3 seconds, where it shows your logo.
Plot twist, rolling cache is a pile of trash and you’ll have to clear it once a week or so to keep the stuttering from coming back
Ok I agree but not gonna lie “ plot twist” made me laugh lol!
@@OverkillSimulations hah. I think it's because I only just started MSFS2020 about 3 weeks ago... As soon as I googled my stutter problem I found like 20 videos just like this one and forum posts as well. Every video claimed "DO THIS AND ITS FIXED!!" and of course 1,000 comments saying "it worked THANK YOU".. Yet nobody is coming back to these comments / videos explaining the fix is completely temporary and there's basically no escaping this issue, the only real solution is turn off rolling cache completely and either waste your bandwidth / data cap perpetually, or turn off scenery completely and play MSFS in gimpy scenery mode without all of the high res imagery. All of that Nvidia cache clearing is basically a waste of time. The issue is they didn't engineer it to run on multiple core CPUs correctly so heavy disk I/O happens when the rolling cache fills and its trying to clear out old scenery while loading new scenery at the same time, this hangs up the main sim thread because they didn't figure out how to parallelize their code properly.
As someone who just came into the game now, I'm deeply disappointed Asobo couldn't figure this out after 4 years...
What about console
I thought this would give me real tips, but instead just rolling cache and Even that was not correctly told.
Lots of stutter vids lately.
Honestly, it seems the sim runs worse after each update. I was getting 60fps at ini LAX without a stutter around SU9.
I now get 35-40fps with a few stutters at LAX. I’ve tried everything.
Good stuff, I may have left a comment already. Please delete it for me as it's b.s. Please excuse the mistake or delay in commenting back. I'm so sorry. Mike can't help making stupid mistakes these days. Slainte ❤ nobody's perfect . 👍
since msfs 2024 will be out this year, msfs will get worse no matter what we do. they have to sell msfs 2024 and cause of this, as every corporation does these days... msfs will not get better
No problems here on my Ryzen 7 5800x3d & RTX 4070 combo.
Disgusting to see when someone using a high end GPU like 3090/4080 with lotsa VRAM mentions they can help get rid of stutters and increase FPS and whatever all the while using defaultsetup they already can get good performance graphics.
disgusting ? really ?
@@carrotsandrunning yeah its like boasting you can afford a good rig while tricking the people with lower performance GPU it can help them. They actually dont even understand how their 'fix' works and what it takes to have it working and still want to take credit for it.
Funny you say this, I have a 4080 and have these problems and can't seem to fix them. Maybe people are saying they have these graphics cards just to be honest so they can get help, not trying to boast? 😂@RiemsAI
Why are all flightsim UA-camrs posting this OLD stuff now? This solution has been around for a long time.
Maybe some users are just not aware....come on they are just trying to help...why do people always feel the need to look like smart asses and be like oh i knew that already...that is just annoying. I had no idea about this fix and it worked really well...so thanks to those people that are just there to help others that might know very little about sims issues...
So you basically clean the cache and gain temporary improvement, only for it to come back - what's stopping it from happening again ? Sorry but this is absolute nonsense advice. You only get smooth frames with high end hardware that can keep up the the graphical demands of titles like FS2020, and that is just a fact. Anything else is just snake oil.
The only suggestion I have for folks with older hardware is to try the Frame Gen mod. THAT does work, at the expense of some VRAM ( DX12 only ) and some minor graphical artifacts on menus.
That is completely inaccurate statement. This improves performance across most titles especially following updates to drivers or the sim as cache files change and older garbage is left side.
I don't usual make improvement videos if you look at my channel history. It has to be something that actually works.
I'm genuinely suggesting doing a bit more digging into shader cache and what the impacts of old data is.
I noticed a significant increase in smoothness not fps.. which is why I made the video.
But to each their own I guess
Why do we need to do all that BS ? I'm not a Tech geek, why can't they fix it in the sim? I spend more time fartin around with it then enjoying it, tweaking the sound every time I change ac on top of that
Overkillsim....sigh. Dude, please, when sharing awesome info like above, please do it slowwwwwer. Trying to write the steps down was frustrating! SLOW IT DOWN, or stop drinking so much coffee.
It's Monster... and yes I will work on that lol