******************UPDATE FOR X3 FRAME GEN MODE************************* sorry i forgot this part When using X3 mode you need to make sure that you set your frame cap accordingly as well as your refresh rate for the monitor. Like I explained in the video if you are a user that can get 40 FPS Natively and you do not have an 80 hertz option for your refresh rate for the monitor and you do not want to drop down to 60 hertz then what you could do in this situation is to use 40fps As your cap and then use the times three mode and set your screen refresh rate to 120 hertz. If you have a 240hz monitor and can get 80fps natively in the sim then x3 will be good there also , set your fps to 79cap Or drop your refresh of the monitor to 160hz and set x3 mode and use 52fps cap. So as you can see the X3 mode can come in handy for those people who are getting between 30 and 60 FPS and have a higher Refresh rate monitor. X3 mode make sure that you set your frame cap to at least 1/3 of your refresh rate that you set in your Nvidia control panel And like I showed in the video I like to go one step farther and just reduce that FPS by one. The closer you keep your interpolated fps to the set refresh of the monitor the smoother it will be And to do that you want to make sure that You do not fall below your capped frame rate but as long as you are using dxgi capture method and if you do fall below your cap frame rate dxgi should interpolate lower for you and it really shouldn't make that much of a difference. *****************************************************************************************************************
@2020fsers tengo un monitor 16:9 de 60 Hz y los fps hasta ahora los había puesto a 27 fps con Auto FPS con TLOD al máximo en casi todos los escenarios salvo ciudades muy grandes o aeropuertos la simulación es fluida. La pregunta es: Que configuración debo proporcionar con este programa y generación de cuadros? o este programa tiene generación de cuadros también?
Great work! However - as others have pointed out - GSync enabled gives horrendous input lag, at least on my machine (4090 7800X3D LG42 4K HDR 120hz monitor). I tried disabling GSync altogether, and disabling it for MSFS and Upscale, but still the lag was insane when enabling RTSS. Since I’m an HDR user as well as a heavy X-Plane user, I’ve dug around for methods to improve HDR in X-Plane (as it doesn’t support HDR in the true sense), and landed on SpesialK, which also features a FrameRateLimiter, and a lot of customizable controls to tweak stuff in order to reduce latency. Long story short: Disabling GSync via SpecialK + limit FPS to half refresh rate -1 did the trick! Seems like GSync sets the refresh rate to the sim output - in my case 59 FPS - regardless of what the upscale / frame gen provides, which I suppose is to be expected. Disabling all DLSS features via SpecialK also reduces latency.
There's lots of people out there who have different takes on settings you are the only one bar one who is spot on your take always turns out well I always look forward to you putting a new one out good man
Jon, I've been playing around with the settings suggested in your video. I'm running 3 - 55" 60 hz native refresh Rate TVs on a RTX 4090 AND 4 additional displays on a second GPU RTX 2080TI (Yes, all on one PC (5800X3D). First, RT kills my performance when adjusting to 30 or 29 FPS. IF I zero it out I get 21/42. V-Sync off and still a little jerky. Also, The smoothness is really only noticable on my Center Screen (The one I select when "Scaling" is initiated. The Left and Right TVs are not as Smooth. With all that said the over all performance is better than without using LOSSLESS. Thanks for you efforts!
Thank you .. from what I've been hearing the scaling tool will only fg the main monitor or 1 monitor at a time and won't fg all monitors unfortunately.
First of all, thanks for your detailed and highly instructive video. You explained everything very well (as always) and your steps are easy to follow. I had been using DX12 with FG, and when it worked, it was great - but when it didn't, it was a disaster. Many times after moving around in DX12 (MSFS 'High' settings, i9-10850k, 4070ti) I would notice stutters. Not the kind that you say "oh darn, I'm getting stutters", but the kind where the game is literally unplayable (1 or 2 FPS at the most, very jarring). Oddly enough, I could temporarily clear it by going to Settings, changing something, then changing it right back, applying the 'non' change, then returning to the sim. Anyway, I'd been fighting that for months and assumed that if I wanted DX12 FG then that was the price I had to pay. On my first tries with LS, I stayed with DX12 and FG on. That was clearly a mistake for me as several times I locked up completely and the only way to clear it was to toggle the 'Scale' button in LS off and on. I then tried DX11 again with Ultra settings, and it works like a champ. My generic test is to land at KMIA with FSLTL running (150 IFR, so I'm getting a lot of planes). Under DX12 and FG, it was always a stutter fest. Using LS and DX11, I can run under Ultra and still have a nice experience with some minimal stuttering but nothing like DX12. i did notice that when on the MSFS screen, my mouse goes to about half the size as it does on the other screens and is harder to find. I didn't notice any settings on the LS app to adjust that - do you know of a way to make my mouse bigger? Thanks again for the great job. This app is well worth the money for me.
Watched all your performance videos and this one is the icing on the cake with the frame interpolation. I started off with potato graphics with low fps to now a stunning looking, butter smooth sim, best part being no hardware upgrade required! Learnt a lot too, thanks heaps | RTX 3060 + intel i7-12700k
Can i limit fps to 20 in riva tuner and use 3x mode. Because in 2x mode when in a busy area my fps drops to twentyish and that will drop my lossless scaling app frames to below 60
Game changer! I’m now completly maxed out Ultra, etc. on my 3090Ti on an ASUS 41.5” 3840x2160 @120hz and getting 60-89 FPS at KSFO. Without LS I’m getting 30ish with a mix of high/Ultra. Thanks for the awesome videos!
Works great for me BUT lossless scaling freezes now and again. The game continues to run in the background, a frozen frame remains on the monitor. Any tips?
Awesome video very detailed. Thank you and 2 questions Is it work with 3 monitor? ( I do see you have 2) how to enable for all 3? And if my monitor 165HZ what should I enter at NVIDIA/Riva tuner?
I’ve tried to like this program over the past few months. Yes, it gives a smooth experience but the picture quality had glimmers and didn’t look as good. Plus having to hit my windows key to go to other monitors was a pain. It’s give and take. I’m sure some will love it especially if you don’t have top end hardware.
a couple things check my nvidia control panel guide, link in the description. then make sure to tick the multi monitor check box at 12:24 . but it still may be hit or miss for some people
Thanks for the Video. I have a Problem with LS that after several times it starts to get stuttering altough the FPS are the same. I can only get rid of them by pressing Alt+Enter twice. Then it is smooth again for a few moments
It wasn't clear to me, as you demonstrated 144hz, but since you're using your Acer monitor too (limited to 60hz) do you normally have your Dell monitor set to 60hz to match the Acer? Also, Is this necessary if you don't plan to use more than one monitor for the simulator itself? For example, I like using my other monitors for other utilities while flying (like Little Nav Map, OBS, etc)... Would it be necessary for me to lower the refresh of the monitor I fly the simulator on, to match the other monitors, that are NOT being used by the simulator?
I don't use my second monitor for the simulator at all I mostly fly VR but yes if I were going to use both monitors I would limit my refresh rate so that both monitors are going to be the same. However if you're not going to use your secondary monitor for the simulator then the software is not Using frame generation on that monitor also in the user interface for the frame generation tool you can select which monitor you only want the frame generation to occur on which would probably be good in your situation so this way when you click off of your simulator onto your second monitor to use navigraph or something like that that it doesn't try to frame generation your your navigraph or anything on your secondary monitor. Then you would just need to adjust your refresh rate on the monitor that you're using for the simulator only as well as your capped frame rate you may also want to set a specific profile in the Riva tuner in your case as well so this way it doesn't limit your FPS on any of your other applications and you're only limiting it on Microsoft flight simulator.
Thanks for the video...been looking at this application but I don't do anything like this until I get your input. Question...I use the Auto FPS App and wonder should I still use it after setting this up? If so what FPS target in the Auto FPS App should I go for. I have my monitor set at 60 hz refresh rate (it can go to 144 but I know with my set up that would not be realistic) and also cap it at 60 hz in Riva. I then set the Auto FPS Target PC FPS for 40 and it runs very well. Thanks for your input. Garry
@@2020fsers I just set mine up this way. It was working great with X2, but I saw this post and thought what the heck, give it a try, and it is smoother still using X3. Can see the results for sure in the cockpit moving around. I have been messing with these settings now for 3 hours after watching your video. You really have to play around till it satisfies you. Thanks again.
AT LONG LAST, your the only place I've managed to find out about using this with VR, I had the same results...everything got a whole lot worst. Keep up your great videos.
@2020fsers, I installed the Riva Tuner, on my desktop, and when i click it to open it, it just wants, to re-install it, and does not open it, anyway, YOU can help me, with this problem, it should just open up the application, Thanks, in advance.
Hi, this was a great video. I don't know what I should set my fps cap because I have a 165hz monitor, my sim cannot natively sustain 53fps(165/3) so what should I set my fps cap to? Thanks appreciate it!
Amazing! Thank you for the vid. The only thing that I have noticed is that the colors are terrible when my TV display is set to HDR on. I'll have to see if there is a fix for this.
Works beautifully, but now I need to figure out how to use SLC and FSHud ATC with it. They overlay and even if I put them on other monitors, they kill the performance gain.
@@2020fsers I did, I have it set for my ultra widescreen, but regardless of what I do with SLC or FSHud, they are still in overlay mode and so has the issue with performance degradation that you mentioned, even if I move them to other monitors.
I use the fenix and i get like 38fps in the sim with 144hz monitor what would be the best thing to adjust or use on the lossless scaling. I get lots of laggy movement when i look around in the cockpit
Hmm that's is a gamble my gut says no but it may be better than the quality you have now but may still not be perfect. If you have 5 to spare try it but it's 50/50
Hi thanx for the vid. The result of this tool is only applicable to the main monitor/TV. I have to TVs that both can do 120hz. Main can double its FPS bit not the 2nd one. This has always been the case with frame gen. If you find a way that works on all monitors/TV that would be fantastic
How do you know that the second monitor is not doubling its frame rate because the frame rate counter is on your main monitor so how are you able to calculate that?
Seems I'll be able to hold off on buying a new graphics card for a good while still, lol. The other thing which should be mentioned is that if you cap your FPS to half your monitor refresh rate, you also save your GPU from a lot of strain. Yes, Lossless Scaling does add a bit of overhead to the card (I've tested and confirmed this multiple times), but if you cap at half of your monitor refresh rate the GPU actually gets some breathing room and stays surprisingly cool (and quiet). For someone like me who still runs an RX590 (yes, yes I know) and bog standard 60Hz monitor, this works a treat, even when bumping in-game settings to high or ultra in most cases (very little difference between medium and ultra settings if you ever care to compare, so my suggestion is to stay on high max). Anyway, just my 2 pennies. Thanks for the vid - helped me figure out what I was missing regarding the app setup.
Great video. My problem is, I followed everything down to the T, but I still get screen tearing/shimmering when I pan around. I have capped the FPS, turned V sync off within etc but still get the tearing.
I have a very annoying bug where lossless scaling makes the cursor vanish and I cant get it back except by scaling and turning it back on. This is really killing the enjoyment of using this with MSFS. I have 3 monitors. I only use the sim on the center 1440p Ultra wide while the 1080P monitors on the left and right handle other apps like Navigraph, FSLTL etc. Sometimes the cursor will vanish in the sim but be visible on the side monitors then sometimes it will be vice versa, be visible in sim but not on side monitors.
@@2020fsers Yeah I did thus my frustration. I have looked at several threads on Steam Forums and other places and I am not alone. This happens to others too and the creator even seemed to be puzzled that it was happening at all in one of the threads.
On my side, I am quite satisfied with the free FSR3.1 mod coupled with Anti Aliasing mode "AMD FSR2 - Quality" (both AMD origin ==> best compatibility) . I also use FSLTL Traffic injector and the last MSFS Map Enhancement 8.0.8 with Google map. I am above 60 FPS whatever conditions (weather, airport etc.) with an RTX2060 - 12GB GPU and a AMD 5900X CPU. To get a crispy image I am not using GeForce Experience filters which are FPS greedy, just the anti aliasing above and the NVIDIA driver settings "Image Scaling - Sharpen at 100%" + "Anisotropic Filtering at 16" (and OFF in the MSFS general options to avoid double load) Note : I use 100% for Object and Terrain Level of Details and most of the rest in Ultra (specifically all the seven first parameters). I do not use MSI afterburner at all and run MSFS in DEVMODE with 2 monitors, i.e., 3840x1080 pxls (Half 4K) - VSYNC OFF Results are crispy and smooth as butter w/o any stuttering. Cheers
@@2020fsers My pleasure, I forgot to say that I boosted my CPU at a 4.950 GHz since most of the time I am limited by the main thread. This fact let me doubtful about upgrading my GPU to a 40 series : what do you think ? Kind regards
@@2020fsers you are right but the 4070 ti super is so attractive with its 256 bits bus, technologically speaking . It would provide even more fluidity using the bar option that I do not have on my Asus 2060 12G. But I am afraid to burn more watts...so I just keep an eye on potential opportunities pricewise.
@d.p.5874 if it were me and you didn't need the card I would wait for the 50 series and get that . It will be leaps ahead of the 4000 series and will last you longer for gaming. Also if you wanted to dabble in vr you will be able to . If not you will be able to play any game in 4k easily . Or o multi monitor . Even the 4090 can't push 3 4k monitors .
Hi i'm encountering several problems with lossless scaling, i Hope you are going to be able to help me. I have a Ryzen 5 5500 and a rtx4060, i've followed all the steps but unless i put "performance on" it lags so much that makes the game unplayble. Another problem i have is that sometimes the sim just freezes and on the screen I have a freezed screen but on background the sim continues to run correctly. This happens also after i close lossless scaling, the only way to solve this is to close the sim, it is so annoying i hope you can help🙏🏻
Have problem with lossless Scaling. It is not showing the fps in MSFS. I have set up everything as said in the video. I have 2 monitors both 60 Hz on fore MSFS and the second one for MSFS apps.Have tried with Multi-display mode on and off and I have Draw FPS on Hope to get some help🙂
Hi i am facing an issue when i limit framerate in riva app i think it also limits fps of lossless scaling app. It shows 29/29 fps on top left corner of game scree. How to solve this issue
I tried it, but when I'm Airborne with the fenix a320 I have stutters at certain times. I think it is the CPU usage that together with the fenix software and the simulator is not enough.
yes the fenix is a big draw ... the idea is that you balance your settings first with this video ua-cam.com/video/VY5jloE27mU/v-deo.html then use the scaling tool maybe that will help
Great videos as always!! Followed all steps however when enabling lossless scaling my sim turns into a different color as if it had several exaggerated filters. Tried a bunch of stuff and can't figure it out. Any help is greatly appreciated..... thanks !
@@2020fsers EDIT: problem solved by turning off HDR mode in Windows11! Same problem as above over here. Turning on the HDR slider results in a black screen. Using a 4070 Super.
Greetings 2020 FS'ers Thanks for the vidz you guys produce. Are you guys able to do videos that help persons who use AMD instead of nVIDIA cards please? It would be nice to see the two sides of the coin. thanks in advance.
Which Nvidia driver you recommend? I’m on an Asus 4090 using the driver that came with it 9 months ago, but it’s time to try out Nvidia filters and this driver doesn’t support it. Thanks for any advice .. and your channel 👍
I‘m using two screens and sometimes lossless scaling seems to crash, completely freezing the main screen. Not even shutting down lls or the sim works in this case, it seems like the gpu output is then somehow broken. I need to restart the Pc when this happens. Anyone else? Any suggestions?
Thanks a lot for the video! But i have a question. When i activate SLC or Pacx (passenger programs) i get stuttering. Otherwise it works flawlessly. Do you have any suggestion?
I love it, but I do have a one small problem, when I activate it I can’t move the mouse cursor from one screen to another with hitting the window button?
thats a great question i would probably use it off but i dont have a gsync monitor so i cant say for sure .. try both and go with what looks better and less lag and let me know what you find i would appreciate it.
In the Nvidia control panel regarding Microsoft flight simulator specifically make sure that you have Vsync set to application controlled. All of my other settings are the same that I go over in the Nvidia guide that's in the description. Yeah anyone with g-sync I recommend to keep that off as well I don't have a g-sync monitor so I can't test and comment but I would assume that you don't want to add any latency into the system so that's why vsync and g-sync should probably be turned off
Check in your task manager it's probably open in there what were the task bar in the lower right-hand corner click on that and open up all the background things that are running it's probably down there
Thank you for this video! Yesterday I installed LostLess scaling with no problem. A bit later I downloaded the Riva utility, however I couldn't open the interface once I installed the program. As a result I couldn't try either program. There is an updated version available of LossLess. The biggest issue I have is trying to get FSFS to load up quicker. There isn't very much in my community folder since I am using the Linker program. My internet speed is about 1 gig. It can take 4 to 5 minutes for FSFS to load on my system. I have removed aircraft and etc that arent being used. I noticed ysterday I can't access the Market place, no idea why. Your feedback is welcome. Thank you!
Ok in this case it's a little different and some trial and error . If you only have a 75hz monitor then try 30 fps using x2 mode . Do you have 100 hz? If so try 30 in x3 mode that will get closer to 100 than x2 and 75hz.
Hi, just one question. I have "Max Frame Rate=75Hz" (My monitor's refresh rate) in the Global Settings, what about the Simulator Settings inside the NVIDIA Control Panel? Before the Riva Tuner I set it to 35, but I'm not sure if I have to turn it OFF and use the Riva Tuner instead. Nice video indeed, this app is a game changer.
do not use max frame rate in the nvidia panel if you are using rivatuner . turn any nvidia frame caps off and only use rivatuner if that is your frame cap program of choice if you want to use nvidia frame cap then dont use the riva tuner.
Thank you so much for noting the *_No VR_* caveat right in the title. That's a first in the MSFS 2020 tutorial space! I'm watching it, anyway, because of that courtesy, even though I fly exclusively in VR.
thank you im not trying to waist your time thinking that it will make vr better lol at least it didnt for me .. i also put another easter egg in the thumbnail... i also always fly vr unless doing a tutorial, theres nothing like it until you get into a real plane that is.
For Loseless App, you have set Vsync to fast in nvidia control panel. So it means that i should turn off Vsync for the game itself from nvidia control panel?
How to solve the problem with inscriptions jerking on liveries? My plane is also flickering. The 165Hz screen limited frames from 80 to 40. The problem does not go away
I followed these tips and man, I got the smoothest flight ever with the Fenix A320 yesterday. However, I went for a flight today and I dont know why, but with the same setup, it was all laggy and I felt like I had 20 fps. It wasn't smooth at all compared to yesterday. The settings are all the same, I don't know what happened here, anyone here has experienced this?
possible server issue with msfs. sometimes it happens some days its great no stutters and some days its a lot of stutters . the only way to tell is to turn off bing maps and photogrammetry and try it with all the online stuff off . if it works well then thats the issue the msfs servers.
also if you turn off the lossless scaling you can test that as well if that is full of stutters then it will parlay that into the scaling app . if the info stops flowing then you get the lags no matter how much frame interpolation that you use .
@@2020fsers I never thought about MSFS servers issues, that's interesting. I did turn on and off Lossless Scaling and it was still full of stutters. I'll try it again and keep you updated, thanks a lot mate!
@@2020fsers I have a 7900 XT AMD and I am lost when you used the Nvidia control panel. I got all set but that’s confuses me and dont know what to tweak on the AMD adrenaline software
you release very helpful videos. QQ I see this thin fuzzy layer around the edges off the aircraft. I am running a 60hz monitor my frame rates is half to 29 in the RTSSS tool. any reasons around the fuzziness
do you only see the fuzzines when using the scaling app? if you are using the scaling mode in the tool turn it off and try again ,Example: if using amd fsr turn off it could be the scaling method dosent like your monitor.
I am well aware of that I guess you didn't find my Easter egg in the thumbnail (top left of the word fps) or read the first two sentences of my description
So i have a triple monitor set up, and it seems like the dlss frame gen didnt do much but make game have ghosting. The frame rate barely changed (50 to 60ish, no matter im in frame gen or not). Im tempted to do this in hopes that it works better...
@2020fsers you're kidding. I thought you said yours did it on yours with your two monitor set up. Thank you, you've saved me time and money! Is that, perhaps, why it doesn't seem to do diddly with frame gen in game, too?
@skippychurch2965 yeah indidnt notice until after because my main monitor was good but my side had a little lag which couldn't be seen in the video . After talking to more people only the screen that showed the fps is the screen that is using lossless scaling ... makes sense to
I have NVIDIA 4090 with monitor resolution 5120X1440 and native refresh rate of 240 Hz. Is it still necessary to limit my frame rate to around 119 fps? I suppose that even with loss less scaling X2, I would never reach 240 fps. Further consider the maximum frame rate that I have reached before was not more than 100 fps. In case may I limit the FPS from nvidia panel control? Thank you
You may wany to try the x3 method then. The goal is to equal the refresh rate so you may want to lower the refresh rate of your monitor to something under 240
the frame gen can be used on 4000 cards but not to be used with the frame gen available for the 4000 cards 1 or the other. personally i use a 4080super and i do not like dx12 which is needed for frame gen on the 4000 cards so using this allows me to use dx11 and frame gen .
So out of curiousity, my laptop is 60 hertz for refresh rate (I know I need to upgrade soon). What would the frame rate be for me to cap at? With lossless running it is not receiving a boost. Thanks!
I am reviewing the cls 60 ffb this week 3 part series with a tutorial on the software . Should be pretty good ima do a teardown of it . Thank you again .
I thought I'd try it out with my 4090 and 7800x3D. I think it's best to always test these things at heavy areas so I picked the ultimate: iniBuilds KJFK with TLOD set to 400 in the PMDG 737-800 Hovering right around 29-33 FPS. If I take TLOD down to 200 I gain maybe 2 or 3 FPS, nothing drastic. I'm probably gonna stick with regular FG in DX12. Edit: scratch that! I’ve re-enabled dx12 and FG and G-sync…but! I enabled lossless scaler and holy crap it works! I was showing 154FPS at JFK. I limited to 50 fps and wow…😮
@@2020fsers just wasn't sure if your recommendations from your other video applied here too. great thanks, finally got all the gears working together and the sim has never been smoother!!! dialing my 165hz monitor down to 144hz really did the trick for me (I guess it's a bit easier to handle for my system). performance was always good here, but now the (micro)stutters are gone too. your videos really help out a lot, thanks and keep it up!
I would love to completely test the software. But I presume those that are complaining they can't move the mouse to a second or third monitor like me, is because we are using those monitors to run our other programs and not a multi monitor setup.. I for example am running Navirgraph, Airmanager, Beyond ATC, Volanta. All on 2 other monitors and unfortunately can't move my mouse to any of the other screens with LScaling is running. Unless there is a setting or solution I don't yet know about or missed?
@@2020fsers Thank you so much. It was setup that way, but did not work. I decided to give it one last try again now. Cleared all settings and redid them and the mouse is working now. I am very happy. 🤓🤦♂
@@2020fsers At least I can go through your video step by step now and test it fully. I already tested quickly and definitely have a difference. Thank you.
Hi Mate, I follow all your videos, I’m confused, I run a 4070ti with a 10700k gsync monitor 165hz, I use the settings in your old videos on nvidias control panel, vsync set to fast and the number 1 below, works a treat, so following this video do I disable the fast option in the nvidia control panel and just go with your river tuna settings?
Ok what you would do is disable the vsync in the msfs program specific settings in the nvidia panel and set to application controlled. Only set fast vsync in the lossless scaling program specific settings like I show Here . You may also want to turn off gsync but try both on and off.
@@2020fsers Thank you so Much, I followed your advice, although I’ve turned vsync off in msfs, nvidia control panel msfs settings and just use it through lossless scaling in the nvidia app, set my monitor to 162 hz out of 165 on the control panel and capped it to 81 frames in rivatuner and lossless scaling works like a dream “4070ti, 10700k” I did buy and try this app before your video a few weeks ago and it worked terrible so again thank you, without your video I’ve never have gone back to it, I can now run FSTL traffic injector at 100% also
I will Also add to that incase anyone with similar specs wants to try it I still run dx12 in the sim with frame generation on and set to TAA. Terrain level of detail set to 150, Object level of detail to 200 And everything else set to as high as possible, I did find my upping my TLOD to 200 yesterday with lossless scaling on it still felt abit jittery so went back to 150
@@2020fsers Thank you Sir what you’ve done for my sim and the community is brilliant, Many Thanks ,,, I’ll just add to the above I done a 60 minute test flight tonight, all was perfect except it seems Lossless Scaling Hates the GSX passengers, once the passengers were boarding my fenix it came to a freeze, literally, each and every time, so whilst there boarding / sitting In there seats with the cockpit door open I disable it, then once ready to fly I close the cockpit door and enable it again, not sure if you’ve came across this yet but if you ever know of a fix I’m all ears :)
Every system is going to be different in terms of how much performance you will have to sacrifice for the gains that the software provides but unfortunately that's what happens
@@2020fsers It's because the simulator is using 100% of the gpu and lossless scaling needs 10% to generate the fps I wanted to know how I could lower the gpu usage
At my end if I set multi monitor to OFF I lose mouse pointer when I travel to the second monitor which I use for Navigraph and etc.(not MSFS). With the setting turned ON everything is OK.
riva tuner is completely limiting my fps, I turn on riva tuner for 30fps and I turn on FG and am getting 30fps natively and only getting 30 from Lossless scaling. I am using an AMD GPU I dont know if that has anything to do with it. I remove the limit on my fps and get around 50fps natively and get 90 or so in lossless scaling. Can someone help me bc rivatuner is completely limithing my fps.
******************UPDATE FOR X3 FRAME GEN MODE************************* sorry i forgot this part
When using X3 mode you need to make sure that you set your frame cap accordingly as well as your refresh rate for the monitor. Like I explained in the video if you are a user that can get 40 FPS Natively and you do not have an 80 hertz option for your refresh rate for the monitor and you do not want to drop down to 60 hertz then what you could do in this situation is to use 40fps As your cap and then use the times three mode and set your screen refresh rate to 120 hertz. If you have a 240hz monitor and can get 80fps natively in the sim then x3 will be good there also , set your fps to 79cap Or drop your refresh of the monitor to 160hz and set x3 mode and use 52fps cap. So as you can see the X3 mode can come in handy for those people who are getting between 30 and 60 FPS and have a higher Refresh rate monitor. X3 mode make sure that you set your frame cap to at least 1/3 of your refresh rate that you set in your Nvidia control panel And like I showed in the video I like to go one step farther and just reduce that FPS by one. The closer you keep your interpolated fps to the set refresh of the monitor the smoother it will be And to do that you want to make sure that You do not fall below your capped frame rate but as long as you are using dxgi capture method and if you do fall below your cap frame rate dxgi should interpolate lower for you and it really shouldn't make that much of a difference.
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@2020fsers tengo un monitor 16:9 de 60 Hz y los fps hasta ahora los había puesto a 27 fps con Auto FPS con TLOD al máximo en casi todos los escenarios salvo ciudades muy grandes o aeropuertos la simulación es fluida. La pregunta es: Que configuración debo proporcionar con este programa y generación de cuadros? o este programa tiene generación de cuadros también?
Vsync to fast was a really help for me. Thanks for this tutorial. This app is magic.
Yes they also just added x4 option
Can confirm - this works a treat for MSFS. Game changer for me. All Ultra settings in-sim, FSLTL at Max and it's as smooth as silk.
awesome thanks for the comment !
can you help me set it up pls
what are your pc specs?
you could be easy happy easy with a 1060 and i5 2600 I guess then.
What are your Pc specs?
Great work! However - as others have pointed out - GSync enabled gives horrendous input lag, at least on my machine (4090 7800X3D LG42 4K HDR 120hz monitor). I tried disabling GSync altogether, and disabling it for MSFS and Upscale, but still the lag was insane when enabling RTSS. Since I’m an HDR user as well as a heavy X-Plane user, I’ve dug around for methods to improve HDR in X-Plane (as it doesn’t support HDR in the true sense), and landed on SpesialK, which also features a FrameRateLimiter, and a lot of customizable controls to tweak stuff in order to reduce latency. Long story short: Disabling GSync via SpecialK + limit FPS to half refresh rate -1 did the trick! Seems like GSync sets the refresh rate to the sim output - in my case 59 FPS - regardless of what the upscale / frame gen provides, which I suppose is to be expected. Disabling all DLSS features via SpecialK also reduces latency.
Thanks very much for the tip
BRUH!!!!!!!!!!!! this actually works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I normally dont comment on video =O
Hey thanks for the comment glad it helped 😀
There's lots of people out there who have different takes on settings you are the only one bar one who is spot on your take always turns out well I always look forward to you putting a new one out good man
Thanks so much glad it helped 😊
Jon, I've been playing around with the settings suggested in your video. I'm running 3 - 55" 60 hz native refresh Rate TVs on a RTX 4090 AND 4 additional displays on a second GPU RTX 2080TI (Yes, all on one PC (5800X3D). First, RT kills my performance when adjusting to 30 or 29 FPS. IF I zero it out I get 21/42. V-Sync off and still a little jerky. Also, The smoothness is really only noticable on my Center Screen (The one I select when "Scaling" is initiated. The Left and Right TVs are not as Smooth. With all that said the over all performance is better than without using LOSSLESS. Thanks for you efforts!
Thank you .. from what I've been hearing the scaling tool will only fg the main monitor or 1 monitor at a time and won't fg all monitors unfortunately.
First of all, thanks for your detailed and highly instructive video. You explained everything very well (as always) and your steps are easy to follow. I had been using DX12 with FG, and when it worked, it was great - but when it didn't, it was a disaster. Many times after moving around in DX12 (MSFS 'High' settings, i9-10850k, 4070ti) I would notice stutters. Not the kind that you say "oh darn, I'm getting stutters", but the kind where the game is literally unplayable (1 or 2 FPS at the most, very jarring). Oddly enough, I could temporarily clear it by going to Settings, changing something, then changing it right back, applying the 'non' change, then returning to the sim. Anyway, I'd been fighting that for months and assumed that if I wanted DX12 FG then that was the price I had to pay.
On my first tries with LS, I stayed with DX12 and FG on. That was clearly a mistake for me as several times I locked up completely and the only way to clear it was to toggle the 'Scale' button in LS off and on. I then tried DX11 again with Ultra settings, and it works like a champ. My generic test is to land at KMIA with FSLTL running (150 IFR, so I'm getting a lot of planes). Under DX12 and FG, it was always a stutter fest. Using LS and DX11, I can run under Ultra and still have a nice experience with some minimal stuttering but nothing like DX12.
i did notice that when on the MSFS screen, my mouse goes to about half the size as it does on the other screens and is harder to find. I didn't notice any settings on the LS app to adjust that - do you know of a way to make my mouse bigger? Thanks again for the great job. This app is well worth the money for me.
Thanks for the comment . Try the mouse clipping option or test the other mouse options maybe they will help that.
Not on metro exodus EE ... but all in all GOAT Tool !
Watched all your performance videos and this one is the icing on the cake with the frame interpolation. I started off with potato graphics with low fps to now a stunning looking, butter smooth sim, best part being no hardware upgrade required! Learnt a lot too, thanks heaps | RTX 3060 + intel i7-12700k
That's great thanks for the comment
Can i limit fps to 20 in riva tuner and use 3x mode. Because in 2x mode when in a busy area my fps drops to twentyish and that will drop my lossless scaling app frames to below 60
I wouldn't limit your frame rate that low try 3x using your current limit it might be able to handle that
Game changer! I’m now completly maxed out Ultra, etc. on my 3090Ti on an ASUS 41.5” 3840x2160 @120hz and getting 60-89 FPS at KSFO. Without LS I’m getting 30ish with a mix of high/Ultra. Thanks for the awesome videos!
Your welcome thanks for the comment 👍 😀
Works great for me BUT lossless scaling freezes now and again. The game continues to run in the background, a frozen frame remains on the monitor. Any tips?
Switch between full screen and windowed and back to full screen . See if that works .
Alt enter
Awesome video very detailed. Thank you and 2 questions
Is it work with 3 monitor? ( I do see you have 2) how to enable for all 3?
And if my monitor 165HZ what should I enter at NVIDIA/Riva tuner?
It does not fg 3 monitors only 1. For 165 hz if you can get a sustained 55 fps use that with x3 mode .
thanks not using msfs but using prepar3d anmd went form 26fps all way to 70fps with nearly maxed grafihcs and 2k monitor fucking gamechanger
Awesome 👌 thanks for the comment
I’ve tried to like this program over the past few months. Yes, it gives a smooth experience but the picture quality had glimmers and didn’t look as good. Plus having to hit my windows key to go to other monitors was a pain. It’s give and take. I’m sure some will love it especially if you don’t have top end hardware.
a couple things check my nvidia control panel guide, link in the description. then make sure to tick the multi monitor check box at 12:24 . but it still may be hit or miss for some people
great video will this work in 4K native 144 hz monitor gtx 3080TI 12700K Intel
Should be fine . You may need to use the x3 or x4 depending in your base frame rate
Thanks very much@@2020fsers
Super helpfull!! With your indepth tutorial lossless scaling works. Thanks!
Awesome thanks for the comment
Great video. Can I combine this with the Autofps addon?
Yes you can
So I had the opposite effect. My frame rate was cut in half. Went from 30 down to 10😩. Followed step by step. No idea what went wrong.
That's strange.. set up a profile in the Riva tuner and see if that helps . If you have gsync turn off
You could try Changing the Gpu it uses in the settings from Default
Thanks for the Video. I have a Problem with LS that after several times it starts to get stuttering altough the FPS are the same. I can only get rid of them by pressing Alt+Enter twice. Then it is smooth again for a few moments
Some users have reported this . Switching back between windowed and fill screen fixes the issue . Maybe an update to the software can fix the issue .
@@2020fsers So you do not think it is a Setting issue ?
@McPattyify no i don't think so
@@2020fsers Thank you. Do you have any idea to reduce those jittering issues while panning around?
It wasn't clear to me, as you demonstrated 144hz, but since you're using your Acer monitor too (limited to 60hz) do you normally have your Dell monitor set to 60hz to match the Acer? Also, Is this necessary if you don't plan to use more than one monitor for the simulator itself? For example, I like using my other monitors for other utilities while flying (like Little Nav Map, OBS, etc)... Would it be necessary for me to lower the refresh of the monitor I fly the simulator on, to match the other monitors, that are NOT being used by the simulator?
I don't use my second monitor for the simulator at all I mostly fly VR but yes if I were going to use both monitors I would limit my refresh rate so that both monitors are going to be the same. However if you're not going to use your secondary monitor for the simulator then the software is not Using frame generation on that monitor also in the user interface for the frame generation tool you can select which monitor you only want the frame generation to occur on which would probably be good in your situation so this way when you click off of your simulator onto your second monitor to use navigraph or something like that that it doesn't try to frame generation your your navigraph or anything on your secondary monitor. Then you would just need to adjust your refresh rate on the monitor that you're using for the simulator only as well as your capped frame rate you may also want to set a specific profile in the Riva tuner in your case as well so this way it doesn't limit your FPS on any of your other applications and you're only limiting it on Microsoft flight simulator.
@@2020fsers thank you for the in-depth clarification!
Your welcome
Thanks for the video...been looking at this application but I don't do anything like this until I get your input. Question...I use the Auto FPS App and wonder should I still use it after setting this up? If so what FPS target in the Auto FPS App should I go for. I have my monitor set at 60 hz refresh rate (it can go to 144 but I know with my set up that would not be realistic) and also cap it at 60 hz in Riva. I then set the Auto FPS Target PC FPS for 40 and it runs very well. Thanks for your input.
Garry
Hey Garry do you have a 120hz option? If so and you get steady fps at 40 . Cap your fps on 40 and use x3 mode to interpolate to 120.
You can still use auto.fps
@@2020fsers Great…thanks.
@@2020fsers I just set mine up this way. It was working great with X2, but I saw this post and thought what the heck, give it a try, and it is smoother still using X3. Can see the results for sure in the cockpit moving around. I have been messing with these settings now for 3 hours after watching your video. You really have to play around till it satisfies you. Thanks again.
@@2020fsersI’ll look and try it if I can.
Thank you for being the first you tuber to state up front this is not for VR in the title. Good job!
Your welcome .. time is valuable and I don't wanna waste your time .thank you for the comment .
@@2020fsers There is something like for VR users?
@The_Fabio_Fernandes no unfortunately not
this does not work at all for me, capped at 60 and seeing over 100 but as soon as i turn the sim drops to a crawl and it freezes
AT LONG LAST, your the only place I've managed to find out about using this with VR, I had the same results...everything got a whole lot worst. Keep up your great videos.
Thank you 😊
@2020fsers, I installed the Riva Tuner, on my desktop, and when i click it to open it, it just wants, to re-install it, and does not open it, anyway, YOU can help me, with this problem, it should just open up the application, Thanks, in advance.
Makensure you are not clicking on the Install exe . When it opens it will be in your task manager lower right .
@@2020fsers How do I manually find the file, to make sure I don't do that, how to find 'open files"?
When you install it it asks if you want to put a shortcut on the desktop choose yes
Hi, this was a great video. I don't know what I should set my fps cap because I have a 165hz monitor, my sim cannot natively sustain 53fps(165/3) so what should I set my fps cap to? Thanks appreciate it!
What other refresh rates does your monitor support
This thing brought back the enjoyment for MFS, at least in my case.
thanks for the comment !
@@2020fsers My Pleasure.
Don't know about Nvidia filters but I can say that using Re-Shade has no performance impact.
ok awesome thank you so much for the info!
Amazing! Thank you for the vid. The only thing that I have noticed is that the colors are terrible when my TV display is set to HDR on. I'll have to see if there is a fix for this.
Yes flip the hdr slider in the ui of the lossless scaling app. That may help.
Thanks for the comment 👍 😀
Works beautifully, but now I need to figure out how to use SLC and FSHud ATC with it. They overlay and even if I put them on other monitors, they kill the performance gain.
In the ui set the screen you want the fg to be on this may help .
@@2020fsers I did, I have it set for my ultra widescreen, but regardless of what I do with SLC or FSHud, they are still in overlay mode and so has the issue with performance degradation that you mentioned, even if I move them to other monitors.
I use the fenix and i get like 38fps in the sim with 144hz monitor what would be the best thing to adjust or use on the lossless scaling. I get lots of laggy movement when i look around in the cockpit
If you have 120 mhz try that and cap at 40 using x3 mode .
Hello brother. I have only 3200G but can fly at lowest settings with PMDG 777 or 738 with 18 to 21fps. Is it still possible?
Hmm that's is a gamble my gut says no but it may be better than the quality you have now but may still not be perfect. If you have 5 to spare try it but it's 50/50
Hi thanx for the vid. The result of this tool is only applicable to the main monitor/TV. I have to TVs that both can do 120hz. Main can double its FPS bit not the 2nd one. This has always been the case with frame gen. If you find a way that works on all monitors/TV that would be fantastic
How do you know that the second monitor is not doubling its frame rate because the frame rate counter is on your main monitor so how are you able to calculate that?
Seems I'll be able to hold off on buying a new graphics card for a good while still, lol. The other thing which should be mentioned is that if you cap your FPS to half your monitor refresh rate, you also save your GPU from a lot of strain. Yes, Lossless Scaling does add a bit of overhead to the card (I've tested and confirmed this multiple times), but if you cap at half of your monitor refresh rate the GPU actually gets some breathing room and stays surprisingly cool (and quiet). For someone like me who still runs an RX590 (yes, yes I know) and bog standard 60Hz monitor, this works a treat, even when bumping in-game settings to high or ultra in most cases (very little difference between medium and ultra settings if you ever care to compare, so my suggestion is to stay on high max). Anyway, just my 2 pennies. Thanks for the vid - helped me figure out what I was missing regarding the app setup.
Thanks for the comment 👍 😀
my forza horizon 4 becomes horrible after applying all these setting pls help
Great video. My problem is, I followed everything down to the T, but I still get screen tearing/shimmering when I pan around. I have capped the FPS, turned V sync off within etc but still get the tearing.
try the vsync in the tool itself
this is magic 3080 8700k usually 35 fps in new york medium now ultra 62 fps crazy man !
Awesome thanks for the comment
Hi is the lossless scaling is meant for the steam version of the MSFS 2020 only or also for the store version?
It's used for any game or sim purchased on steam or from the developer.
If you watch the video I answered that question about 1 minute and 20 seconds in
I have a very annoying bug where lossless scaling makes the cursor vanish and I cant get it back except by scaling and turning it back on. This is really killing the enjoyment of using this with MSFS. I have 3 monitors. I only use the sim on the center 1440p Ultra wide while the 1080P monitors on the left and right handle other apps like Navigraph, FSLTL etc. Sometimes the cursor will vanish in the sim but be visible on the side monitors then sometimes it will be vice versa, be visible in sim but not on side monitors.
Did you turn on the muti monitor slider I the ui of lossless scaling
@@2020fsers Yeah I did thus my frustration. I have looked at several threads on Steam Forums and other places and I am not alone. This happens to others too and the creator even seemed to be puzzled that it was happening at all in one of the threads.
@CaptainKMan I'm not sure then
On my side, I am quite satisfied with the free FSR3.1 mod coupled with Anti Aliasing mode "AMD FSR2 - Quality" (both AMD origin ==> best compatibility) .
I also use FSLTL Traffic injector and the last MSFS Map Enhancement 8.0.8 with Google map.
I am above 60 FPS whatever conditions (weather, airport etc.) with an RTX2060 - 12GB GPU and a AMD 5900X CPU.
To get a crispy image I am not using GeForce Experience filters which are FPS greedy, just the anti aliasing above and the NVIDIA driver settings "Image Scaling - Sharpen at 100%" + "Anisotropic Filtering at 16" (and OFF in the MSFS general options to avoid double load)
Note : I use 100% for Object and Terrain Level of Details and most of the rest in Ultra (specifically all the seven first parameters).
I do not use MSI afterburner at all and run MSFS in DEVMODE with 2 monitors, i.e., 3840x1080 pxls (Half 4K) - VSYNC OFF
Results are crispy and smooth as butter w/o any stuttering.
Cheers
thanks for the info
@@2020fsers My pleasure, I forgot to say that I boosted my CPU at a 4.950 GHz since most of the time I am limited by the main thread. This fact let me doubtful about upgrading my GPU to a 40 series : what do you think ? Kind regards
@d.p.5874 no need to upgrade u less you have to . Don't fix what isn't broken
@@2020fsers you are right but the 4070 ti super is so attractive with its 256 bits bus, technologically speaking . It would provide even more fluidity using the bar option that I do not have on my Asus 2060 12G. But I am afraid to burn more watts...so I just keep an eye on potential opportunities pricewise.
@d.p.5874 if it were me and you didn't need the card I would wait for the 50 series and get that . It will be leaps ahead of the 4000 series and will last you longer for gaming. Also if you wanted to dabble in vr you will be able to . If not you will be able to play any game in 4k easily . Or o multi monitor . Even the 4090 can't push 3 4k monitors .
Awesome video as usual. He do you have discord or something? I want to pick your brain about some OBS questions.
i don't have a discord but in the description there is a link for the facebook page .
Ok I’ll go there now
Hmm, when I activate it, my colours go beserk, Similar to when I 1st set up HDR.
Ok tick the hdr slider in the ui of the lossless scaling tool then try it again
Amazing again!! ! Thank you very very much, dude! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
your welcome thanks for the comment !
hello, one question when using Lossless scaling do i have disable G-sync for my moniter is true?
Yes I would turn off gsync
Hi i'm encountering several problems with lossless scaling, i Hope you are going to be able to help me. I have a Ryzen 5 5500 and a rtx4060, i've followed all the steps but unless i put "performance on" it lags so much that makes the game unplayble. Another problem i have is that sometimes the sim just freezes and on the screen I have a freezed screen but on background the sim continues to run correctly. This happens also after i close lossless scaling, the only way to solve this is to close the sim, it is so annoying i hope you can help🙏🏻
I have heard of the screen freeze issues but I'm not sure what causes that .
What if you bought msfs off steam and using lossless scaling at the same time, will it work ?
Yes it will
Have problem with lossless Scaling. It is not showing the fps in MSFS. I have set up everything as said in the video. I have 2 monitors both 60 Hz on fore MSFS and the second one for MSFS apps.Have tried with Multi-display mode on and off and I have Draw FPS on
Hope to get some help🙂
its not showing any fps counter in the top corner of the screen?
Hi i am facing an issue when i limit framerate in riva app i think it also limits fps of lossless scaling app. It shows 29/29 fps on top left corner of game scree. How to solve this issue
create a profile in the riva tuner specifically for msfs and dont use global
I tried it, but when I'm Airborne with the fenix a320 I have stutters at certain times. I think it is the CPU usage that together with the fenix software and the simulator is not enough.
yes the fenix is a big draw ... the idea is that you balance your settings first with this video ua-cam.com/video/VY5jloE27mU/v-deo.html then use the scaling tool maybe that will help
Great videos as always!! Followed all steps however when enabling lossless scaling my sim turns into a different color as if it had several exaggerated filters. Tried a bunch of stuff and can't figure it out. Any help is greatly appreciated..... thanks !
Ok yes turn on the hdr slider in the ui of the lossless scaling and see if that helps .
@@2020fsers EDIT: problem solved by turning off HDR mode in Windows11! Same problem as above over here. Turning on the HDR slider results in a black screen. Using a 4070 Super.
Greetings 2020 FS'ers
Thanks for the vidz you guys produce. Are you guys able to do videos that help persons who use AMD instead of nVIDIA cards please? It would be nice to see the two sides of the coin.
thanks in advance.
Unfortunately it's only me and I don't have any amd stuff 😕. Therfore I really can do anything on it because I'm not able to test .
Which Nvidia driver you recommend? I’m on an Asus 4090 using the driver that came with it 9 months ago, but it’s time to try out Nvidia filters and this driver doesn’t support it. Thanks for any advice .. and your channel 👍
i personally use the latest driver 555.99 but using the studio driver .
Thanks so much for your video. Stupid question: why don't you limit fps inside FS2020 instead via RivaTuner?
Not a stupid question.. the only way I know to limit fps in the sim is vsync and I explained why vsync is not good to use with lossless scaling .
@@2020fsers Thank you very much, clear!
I‘m using two screens and sometimes lossless scaling seems to crash, completely freezing the main screen. Not even shutting down lls or the sim works in this case, it seems like the gpu output is then somehow broken. I need to restart the Pc when this happens. Anyone else? Any suggestions?
Haven't had that issue . Set the ui lossless to scale your main monitor and not auto see if that helps
I dont know but when it happends try to press win+ctrl+shift+b
Thanks a lot for the video! But i have a question. When i activate SLC or Pacx (passenger programs) i get stuttering. Otherwise it works flawlessly. Do you have any suggestion?
Yes try and alt enter over the msfs window . Switch back and forth between windowed mode and full screen and see if that fixes it
@@2020fsers Thanks a lot for your anwer. I will give it a try.
I love it, but I do have a one small problem, when I activate it I can’t move the mouse cursor from one screen to another with hitting the window button?
in the video go to 12:24
Question: For a 144 Hz G-Sync monitor, should G-Sync be ON or OFF?
thats a great question i would probably use it off but i dont have a gsync monitor so i cant say for sure .. try both and go with what looks better and less lag and let me know what you find i would appreciate it.
Thanks. Big thumbs up. Did you change anything in the NVCP regarding MSFS or VSYNC? Also, I heard LS doesn't play nice with G-Sync.
In the Nvidia control panel regarding Microsoft flight simulator specifically make sure that you have Vsync set to application controlled. All of my other settings are the same that I go over in the Nvidia guide that's in the description. Yeah anyone with g-sync I recommend to keep that off as well I don't have a g-sync monitor so I can't test and comment but I would assume that you don't want to add any latency into the system so that's why vsync and g-sync should probably be turned off
I can’t get rivatuner to work, after install it won’t open
Check in your task manager it's probably open in there what were the task bar in the lower right-hand corner click on that and open up all the background things that are running it's probably down there
Thank you for this video! Yesterday I installed LostLess scaling with no problem. A bit later I downloaded the Riva utility, however I couldn't open the interface once I installed the program. As a result I couldn't try either program. There is an updated version available of LossLess. The biggest issue I have is trying to get FSFS to load up quicker. There isn't very much in my community folder since I am using the Linker program. My internet speed is about 1 gig. It can take 4 to 5 minutes for FSFS to load on my system. I have removed aircraft and etc that arent being used. I noticed ysterday I can't access the Market place, no idea why. Your feedback is welcome. Thank you!
My only question would be can you just use the free software that you talk about in the video or do you have to have both of them to make it work
The Riva tuner application is only used to cap your frames it's not going to add frame generation like the lossless scaling application does
@@2020fsers ok
I'm getting only a 28-34 fps in game what do u recommend in a 75 hz monitor capped fps in RTSS?
Ok in this case it's a little different and some trial and error . If you only have a 75hz monitor then try 30 fps using x2 mode . Do you have 100 hz? If so try 30 in x3 mode that will get closer to 100 than x2 and 75hz.
Or try and cap at 35 in x2 mode
Let me know what works for you .
I tried it out at x2 as instructed, fast and cap at 59 with 120hz.
But shimmers all over the place, randomly in front when just looking straight 😵💫
Ok did you turn off the scaling in the ui and only keep on the fg.
@@2020fsers Yes i am only using FG.
Did you turn off the scaling ?
Ok possible nvidia panel settings . Turn off any texture filtering and see if that helps
Hi, just one question. I have "Max Frame Rate=75Hz" (My monitor's refresh rate) in the Global Settings, what about the Simulator Settings inside the NVIDIA Control Panel? Before the Riva Tuner I set it to 35, but I'm not sure if I have to turn it OFF and use the Riva Tuner instead. Nice video indeed, this app is a game changer.
do not use max frame rate in the nvidia panel if you are using rivatuner . turn any nvidia frame caps off and only use rivatuner if that is your frame cap program of choice if you want to use nvidia frame cap then dont use the riva tuner.
@@2020fsers Thx buddy. 🙏
your welcome
Thank you so much for noting the *_No VR_* caveat right in the title. That's a first in the MSFS 2020 tutorial space!
I'm watching it, anyway, because of that courtesy, even though I fly exclusively in VR.
thank you im not trying to waist your time thinking that it will make vr better lol at least it didnt for me .. i also put another easter egg in the thumbnail...
i also always fly vr unless doing a tutorial, theres nothing like it until you get into a real plane that is.
@@2020fsers Hmmm...can't resolve the thumbnail enough to see/read an easter egg. Low-rez...
@@2020fsers Next up on my watch list...your video on VR settings. :)
You may need to use a monitor to see it lol
@@imacmill if you have a pimax headset i have specific vids for that
For Loseless App, you have set Vsync to fast in nvidia control panel. So it means that i should turn off Vsync for the game itself from nvidia control panel?
yes turn off vsync in the panel for msfs and in game . i believe now you have a vsync option in the lossless scaling app if you need it.
@@2020fsersthanks for answering
How to solve the problem with inscriptions jerking on liveries? My plane is also flickering. The 165Hz screen limited frames from 80 to 40. The problem does not go away
IS it better than the fsr3 mods found on Nexus for rtx 3060 ti ?
Not sure I've never used that mod
Does Lossless Scaling improve my performance in VR?
No . As stated in the title
what happened if you dont have steam problem for msfs 2020? Can this program still work??
Yes this works with store purchase or steam
I followed these tips and man, I got the smoothest flight ever with the Fenix A320 yesterday. However, I went for a flight today and I dont know why, but with the same setup, it was all laggy and I felt like I had 20 fps. It wasn't smooth at all compared to yesterday. The settings are all the same, I don't know what happened here, anyone here has experienced this?
possible server issue with msfs. sometimes it happens some days its great no stutters and some days its a lot of stutters . the only way to tell is to turn off bing maps and photogrammetry and try it with all the online stuff off . if it works well then thats the issue the msfs servers.
also if you turn off the lossless scaling you can test that as well if that is full of stutters then it will parlay that into the scaling app . if the info stops flowing then you get the lags no matter how much frame interpolation that you use .
@@2020fsers I never thought about MSFS servers issues, that's interesting. I did turn on and off Lossless Scaling and it was still full of stutters. I'll try it again and keep you updated, thanks a lot mate!
Have flown for months with smoothest sim but suddenly it stopped work for me also
@microburstchannel2741 did you update your windows to 24h2?
As this is meanr to work with AMD cards where do we find the equivalent setting to the Nvidia Control Panel shown here ?
For amd you may have a panel similar to nvcp I'm not sure tho . Yes it does work with amd cards
@@2020fsers I have a 7900 XT AMD and I am lost when you used the Nvidia control panel. I got all set but that’s confuses me and dont know what to tweak on the AMD adrenaline software
Don't worry about it and try without those settings
Very good video. All explained very well
Thank you 😊
Does Riva need to be on all the time? or can I close it? Great vid as usual thanks
Riva does need to be running all the time so you can minimize it. Thanks for the comment
you release very helpful videos. QQ I see this thin fuzzy layer around the edges off the aircraft. I am running a 60hz monitor my frame rates is half to 29 in the RTSSS tool. any reasons around the fuzziness
do you only see the fuzzines when using the scaling app? if you are using the scaling mode in the tool turn it off and try again ,Example: if using amd fsr turn off it could be the scaling method dosent like your monitor.
@@2020fsers using the nvidia scalling since am not using amd video card or it does not matter
it doesn't matter you can use all of them on any card. for msfs stick to amd nvidia or ls1
any advice/guidance for AMD graphics card users
Yes try it without the nvidia panel settings other users with amd said it worked fine
Lossless is just fake frames, doesn't actually increase FPS
I am well aware of that I guess you didn't find my Easter egg in the thumbnail (top left of the word fps) or read the first two sentences of my description
Nope, I don't even need more FPS. Lol
works well but when i go full screen i have black bars unfortunately.
Can you toggle full screen and windowed mode in the sim and see if that changes it
@@2020fsers Jup fixed it, thanks so much!
Your welcome
So i have a triple monitor set up, and it seems like the dlss frame gen didnt do much but make game have ghosting. The frame rate barely changed (50 to 60ish, no matter im in frame gen or not). Im tempted to do this in hopes that it works better...
This will not give you fram gen on all monitors unfortunately only 1
@2020fsers you're kidding. I thought you said yours did it on yours with your two monitor set up. Thank you, you've saved me time and money! Is that, perhaps, why it doesn't seem to do diddly with frame gen in game, too?
@skippychurch2965 yeah indidnt notice until after because my main monitor was good but my side had a little lag which couldn't be seen in the video . After talking to more people only the screen that showed the fps is the screen that is using lossless scaling ... makes sense to
Should probably change the title, then, since it doesn't work on multi monitor after all
@skippychurch2965 done
For some reason it doesnt let me limit my frame rate every time i put 71 it puts 1,000
nevermind lol
Probably frame time . Glad you got it
Mine isn't work, when it scales everything gets dark and grainy. im running 1440p 165hz
Can you confirm it doesn’t work in VR?
It doesn't I put it in the title .
I have NVIDIA 4090 with monitor resolution 5120X1440 and native refresh rate of 240 Hz. Is it still necessary to limit my frame rate to around 119 fps? I suppose that even with loss less scaling X2, I would never reach 240 fps. Further consider the maximum frame rate that I have reached before was not more than 100 fps.
In case may I limit the FPS from nvidia panel control? Thank you
You may wany to try the x3 method then. The goal is to equal the refresh rate so you may want to lower the refresh rate of your monitor to something under 240
@@2020fsers make sense.
My god, never in my life have I played MSFS at 60fps -- it's almost uncanny. Can't thank you enough this is amazing.
Fantastic, glad it helped . Thanks for the comment
whats your gpu?
I have a 4080super
Does this help on RTX 4000 series cards, or is the standard FG better? Can it be used simultaneously?
the frame gen can be used on 4000 cards but not to be used with the frame gen available for the 4000 cards 1 or the other. personally i use a 4080super and i do not like dx12 which is needed for frame gen on the 4000 cards so using this allows me to use dx11 and frame gen .
Nice, but my monitor natively can go up to 240hz. My sim can't run at 120 frames, so should I drop my hz to 160?
Okay what can you reliably run natively in your simulator as far as FPS and what refresh rate does your monitor have
You may actually be a great candidate for the X3 mode depending on what your native FPS in the sim is.
So at the moment I've dropped my monitor hz to 120 from 240, then locked at 40 frames and use X3@@2020fsers
Ok how does that work for you?
@@2020fsers smooth performance with 40 frames, and 120 hz using X3. Going to set the 240, and play around some settings and see what happens
So out of curiousity, my laptop is 60 hertz for refresh rate (I know I need to upgrade soon). What would the frame rate be for me to cap at? With lossless running it is not receiving a boost. Thanks!
Cap at 29 . Using x2 mode
This is still cool though even without VR. Thanks.
Your welcome thanks for the comment. It will work on other games and sims but not vr unfortunately.
First
Thank you 😊
Love your work. Keep it up bro
I am reviewing the cls 60 ffb this week 3 part series with a tutorial on the software . Should be pretty good ima do a teardown of it . Thank you again .
Welcome Back! Thank you!
You're welcome thanks for the Comment
I thought I'd try it out with my 4090 and 7800x3D. I think it's best to always test these things at heavy areas so I picked the ultimate:
iniBuilds KJFK with TLOD set to 400 in the PMDG 737-800
Hovering right around 29-33 FPS. If I take TLOD down to 200 I gain maybe 2 or 3 FPS, nothing drastic. I'm probably gonna stick with regular FG in DX12.
Edit: scratch that! I’ve re-enabled dx12 and FG and G-sync…but! I enabled lossless scaler and holy crap it works! I was showing 154FPS at JFK. I limited to 50 fps and wow…😮
Awesome glad it works for you
what do you set the vsync in nvidia control panel to for this?
For msfs application controlled. And for the scaling app I went over that in the video
@@2020fsers just wasn't sure if your recommendations from your other video applied here too. great thanks, finally got all the gears working together and the sim has never been smoother!!! dialing my 165hz monitor down to 144hz really did the trick for me (I guess it's a bit easier to handle for my system). performance was always good here, but now the (micro)stutters are gone too. your videos really help out a lot, thanks and keep it up!
@disco79stu that's great thanks for the update 😀 glad it helped
I would love to completely test the software. But I presume those that are complaining they can't move the mouse to a second or third monitor like me, is because we are using those monitors to run our other programs and not a multi monitor setup.. I for example am running Navirgraph, Airmanager, Beyond ATC, Volanta. All on 2 other monitors and unfortunately can't move my mouse to any of the other screens with LScaling is running. Unless there is a setting or solution I don't yet know about or missed?
i have no issue with my mouse rolling to my other monitors . make sure to watch the video at 12:24 for the option for multi monitor
@@2020fsers Thank you so much. It was setup that way, but did not work. I decided to give it one last try again now. Cleared all settings and redid them and the mouse is working now. I am very happy. 🤓🤦♂
Ok cool .. the ui is a little buggy
@@2020fsers At least I can go through your video step by step now and test it fully. I already tested quickly and definitely have a difference. Thank you.
Your welcome
Hi Mate, I follow all your videos, I’m confused, I run a 4070ti with a 10700k gsync monitor 165hz, I use the settings in your old videos on nvidias control panel, vsync set to fast and the number 1 below, works a treat, so following this video do I disable the fast option in the nvidia control panel and just go with your river tuna settings?
Ok what you would do is disable the vsync in the msfs program specific settings in the nvidia panel and set to application controlled. Only set fast vsync in the lossless scaling program specific settings like I show Here . You may also want to turn off gsync but try both on and off.
@@2020fsers Thank you so
Much, I followed your advice, although I’ve turned vsync off in msfs, nvidia control panel msfs settings and just use it through lossless scaling in the nvidia app, set my monitor to 162 hz out of
165 on the control panel and capped it to 81 frames in rivatuner and lossless scaling works like a dream “4070ti, 10700k” I did buy and try this app before your video a few weeks ago and it worked terrible so again thank you, without your video I’ve never have gone back to it, I can now run FSTL traffic injector at 100% also
I will
Also add to that incase anyone with similar specs wants to try it I still run dx12 in the sim with frame generation on and set to TAA. Terrain level of detail set to 150, Object level of detail to
200
And everything else set to as high as possible, I did find my upping my TLOD to 200 yesterday with lossless scaling on it still felt abit jittery so went back to 150
Awesome thanks for the update
@@2020fsers Thank you Sir what you’ve done for my sim and the community is brilliant, Many Thanks ,,, I’ll just add to the above I done a 60 minute test flight tonight, all was perfect except it seems Lossless Scaling Hates the GSX passengers, once the passengers were boarding my fenix it came to a freeze, literally, each and every time, so whilst there boarding / sitting In there seats with the cockpit door open I disable it, then once ready to fly I close the cockpit door and enable it again, not sure if you’ve came across this yet but if you ever know of a fix I’m all ears :)
watch the video 1.25 or 1.5 will be more useful :)
It's very good, but I'm noticing that it's taking 30% of my real fps, like 40fps goes to 30/20, I wanted to know how I can solve it
Every system is going to be different in terms of how much performance you will have to sacrifice for the gains that the software provides but unfortunately that's what happens
@@2020fsers
I'm losing more fps than gaining
@drak3141 oh well that shouldn't happen . Not sure why that is
@@2020fsers
It's because the simulator is using 100% of the gpu and lossless scaling needs 10% to generate the fps I wanted to know how I could lower the gpu usage
@drak3141 turn down your graphic settings .
At my end if I set multi monitor to OFF I lose mouse pointer when I travel to the second monitor which I use for Navigraph and etc.(not MSFS). With the setting turned ON everything is OK.
Yes I went over that in the video and I believe the 12:24 mark if you have multi-monitors make sure that you turn on that little checkbox
@@2020fsers Thank you :)
riva tuner is completely limiting my fps, I turn on riva tuner for 30fps and I turn on FG and am getting 30fps natively and only getting 30 from Lossless scaling. I am using an AMD GPU I dont know if that has anything to do with it. I remove the limit on my fps and get around 50fps natively and get 90 or so in lossless scaling. Can someone help me bc rivatuner is completely limithing my fps.
Set up a profile I the Riva tuner o ly for msfs and see if that helps