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The Limo Stop: The Best Driving Skill Almost Nobody Knows
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- Опубліковано 17 сер 2024
- Join us in taking an in depth look at the limo strop, one of the most important driving skills that most drivers have no idea exists. The limo stop can be executed successfully in any vehicle, manual or automatic transmission, left foot braking or right foot braking. Not only does the limo stop allow you to stop the vehicle more fluidly and proficiently, it also has uses for winter and high performance driving situations. The limo stop is a great stepping stone on the way to mastering trail braking.
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Well damn, ive been doing that limo stop since i started driving, specifically because i hate that abrupt shove. Lol
It’s the worst!
Same. I have always done this whenever possible. Always thought it was easier on the brakes amd makes for a nicer ride with people are with me.
Same here
Same
haha when my dad taught me to drive he put a mug of water on the dashboard and said, alright, take me around the block without spilling my drink. (manual of course)
I never noticed this was a “skill” until I rode with my girlfriend who doesn’t do this and it became very apparent 😂
The Best Driving Skill I didn't knew I had...
ya i already do this i just didnt have a name for it
Same lol I thought everyone did this
Ditto
It's so annoying sitting in everyone else's car because they have no care for this technique.
@@JaZoN_XD me when my gf drives. Also she doesn't get to drive the TT until she eases off on the brakes and clutch dumping.
if i'm in any car with someone who doesn't do this, i automatically feel unsafe
Same here
Yeah, higher g-force is one of the main factors that make passengers feel unsafe and uncomfortable.
Unless of course if they know that you're a capable driver and want you to drive that way. ;)
literally everybody ik
my aunt lowkey treats the brakes and gas like on off switches
I didn't know this was an actual technique, I constantly challenge myself to see if I can stop with minimal jerk/bump as possible. This makes me feel a little more confident this winter haha
I've been doing this for a long time, passengers say I drive very smoothly.
Just occurred to me that some people don’t drive like this. Love this Channel!
Same! I didn't even know it had a name.
When you ride with many people you realize just how many people keep the same break pressure alll the way until the car is stopped, many drinks have been spilled and people don’t realize it can be fixed
believe me, not everyone does it by far LMAO. i can tell which friends of mine do from which don't at the first stop sign we get.
My dad told me this the first time we went out together (when I was learning) and since then I've been doing it!
Yeah like the last uber driver i booked to go and collect my car from the garage...i almost puked and got sick
This is how I always stop. Well, this and the sideways handbrake jump out ninja roll stop
Dont forget the 360 no scope
you joke about this but in the snow i use the handbrake to aid the front brakes. my front end locks up ages ahead of my rear brakes cause the brake pressures are set for heavy front end dives which don't happen in the snow.
@@0xsergy This channel has made a video about brake bias and using handbraking to aid in the snow
I've been doing this my whole daily driving career and didn't know it had a name. Need to find some snow with the alltrac and try the aggressive version.
As in.....Celica?
@@pseudonymSODBC Yes, ST185. Though, I sometimes wish it were the Previa.
@@Channel_60 Nice! Wish I could find an alltrac, I have a ST184
I too have a celica
@@rockyloccgarage2040 there are dozens of us.
This was taught to me within the first 30 mins behind the wheel. Thanks Dad :)
Same with me! Really appreciate all the things my dad has taught me!
same man
I had to learn it all on my own, with my mom screaming at me
@@rockyloccgarage2040 xD
I did practise this while getting my drunk friends home. When you don't want them to "soil" the entire car being as smooth as possible is the only option.
My Mom taught me that way to stop 41 years ago. I taught my kids to do likewise. Some cars with automatic transmissions and inadequate rebound damping make this rather difficult. For some reason, every German car I've owned was very easy to do this smoothly. When driving hard, it's tempting to lift off the brake rapidly, but doing the limo stop limits abrupt weight transfer, and works very well. I knew what kind of stop you were talking about by the title of the video, but I've never heard it called that.
As a limo driver, I do this! I always called it a polite stop. You could always tell new drivers vs veterans. When you feel the weight, you feather the brake.
I've done it for so long I've done it with my own vehicle without knowing. My current weekend limo job (I'm not full time anymore) I was tested (some companies still do this) with the Cup Test. Your boss will sit with you, with a cup of water or coffee. The goal is you shouldn't splash or make the water move. Every stop should be graceful and not jarring to passengers. Even in a emergency situation, it is highly frowned upon to make a Passenger move in his seat.
here in Slovenia it's mandatory when you are doing your driving licence that when you stop you stop gently:)
When I took my driving test (in the US in the late 90s) they required us to dip the nose of the car to confirm we stopped the car.
@@derekisthematrix omg 🤣🤣🤣
@@derekisthematrix wow....90s must have been wild. Haha
@@derekisthematrix i wonder how many people failed because they stopped gently
@@derekisthematrixI hate to imagine how many people died in the snow because of their advice
This is how I always break. LA traffic teaches you this or just holding hot coffee in your lap.
Lol! I know right?!
factual statement right here ⬆⬆⬆⬆
lol
Did that since drivers ed. just felt normal to me how you should do it. never even thought about it.
Hahaha I used to call it 401 stop... I'm from Toronto
Hot coffee... Too true... Too true
This is a skill that my dad taught me since I was a kid by screaming at me till I did it.
Limo stop, or as everyone who drives calls it: a stop
Not quite...
More a gentle stop than a stop ☺️
if a kid did limo stops during their driving exam in the US (at least when I took my on the road exam), they'd likely get a raised eyebrow from the examiner. They want(ed) to feel the roll-back to "prove" that you came to a complete stop.
@@JBLewis yeah but from what I hear US driving tests aren't the best...
A lot of people don't do this. I'd say most people I ride with don't bother.
I've been doing this since I started driving at 15 years of age, because it felt nice at the faster stops with a clutch.
Nice to see that its actually considered a technique. Thanks for sharing!
Oh, it's so satisfying watching how smoothly he stops
Great video! I'm a NASA HPDE instructor and tell my students to do this all the time, but I never thought to call it a Limo Stop, brilliant. Giving it a good name definitely keeps it in their minds, everywhere, and it brings trail braking into the normal world. Definitely gets street drivers' minds away from the braking they mostly use, where they ease into the brake but not enough easing off it. It's funny that state driving rules often talk about knowing when you have stopped at a stop sign completely by the car shifting the weight back on the springs when the car is stopped. With this, that is almost not noticeable. I love it.
BTW: Another thing to mention is that the Limo (trail) braking ease-off helps keep the tail of the car behind you on ice or snow (or on the track with an over-steer car) :) . It may not be rally driving, but my students who drive Miatas appreciate that, and I got appreciation for it early-on competing on the ice.
The feeling you get from doing a successful limo stop is amazing
When I first started driving my friends in the neighborhood all being the same age would compete on who could stop the smoothest. I proudly held that title
Ive been doing this ever since i started driving just cause it feels so much nicer than that jerkiness
Wanted to see how many of the comments were people bragging they already do this advanced rally technique.
Every single person in here apparently are experts here.
"advanced rally technique" its stopping smoothly, you learn this in your drivers ed.
@@ameraldas3641 That's the ~~~joke~~~
@@mazeonek1 I know /s just kidding /s
Love the Team O'Niell videos! Watching your videos has helped me learn to be a better driver with double clutching, heel and toe, and left foot breaking. Excited for another MN winter driving the BRZ in the snow.
6:58 is where the best advice here comes in. I will attend a couple days in 2021, and I've been training ahead of time in the snow every winter since 1999. I can be better and faster, and I want to keep moving forward.
I've taken pride in doing this my whole driving life. Thought it was just a me thing... :-) Part of driving skill is driving smooth.
Passenger comfort is second only to passenger safety.
I've been perfecting my limo stop for years and I didn't know it was a thing or had a name. Just another game I play with myself on the perpetual soul-crushing NYC commute.
That clutchless going into neutral is how I've been trying to smooth shift and slightly faster as it becomes a "half double clutch". Mostly for cars that spend lots of time before dropping revs.
Never been able to say it - first! Happy Holidays to Team O'Neil!
Thanks Jim! Happy Holidays to you too!!!
@@Teamoneilrally i think i have request that might be interesting for many people: braking with left foot. I try once, i did it AS LIGHTLY AS POSSIBLE, but boi.. you know what happened 🤣
@@muhammadhabibie6620 It's a certainly a muscle memory thing! We're so used to just stabbing in on the clutch with our left foot.
@@muhammadhabibie6620
I learned how to be smooth with left foot braking in traffic, just because I don't typically have to drop a gear or anything and it's just easier to left foot brake. it gets annoying switching from gas to brake, back to the gas, back to the brake with the same foot
you gotta ease into it m8. but once u get used to it, you'll be doing it everywhere. around corners, on a small slowdown in traffic, or doing burnouts lol
@@Teamoneilrally Okay I have a question - I usually always stop like that, but I don't depress the clutch until the last moment (just like 700 rpms above idle engine speed). Why do you depress the clutch and brake at the same time? Usually what happens when you do that in the first instance the car doesn't stop with maximum force because the engine is decoupled from the drivetrain and cannot be used for engine braking. Is it something to do that you anticipate the wheels to slip in the snow or smt else? On a side note I was taught driving in a FWD car with no assists (no power steering and ABS) and my lesson was in slippery conditions try using the motor as a brake at most and rely less on brakes and avoid locking the wheels.
Always stopped like this, no one taught me it, "stumbled upon how to do it," always hated the lurch forward.
Good video, now I have more reasons to do it.
This was one of the very first things my old man taught me how to do when I was getting into a car for the first time. I've always had friends and family wonder how they can't brake nearly as smoothly, even though they do it with much less braking force applied than me.
I've always done the limo stop. Honestly I never thought of it as a skill but it sure is, and great for threshold braking as Wyatt demonstrated.
The only time I don’t do this is when I slam the brakes to stop short.
@Miguel Ajanel not necessarily, it depends how shit your tires are, if you have reasonable tires and drum rears, likely only the front will lock
Even in abrupt stops, you can loosen the brakes just a little in the final instant and you could still stop smoothly. Shouldn’t increase stopping distance all that much if you time it right since you’re practically stopped at that point in time before loosening the brakes
This is like calling proper usage of the clutch "Limo cluthing"..
Nice one
You could actually, a lot of people let the clutch off way to fast and you get that hopping start.
@@johan.ohgren the people that ride the clutch in bigger diesels or let go off the clutch so it's a noticeable clunk on modern cars need to learn a thing or two as well.. but it's not like a "best driving skill nobody knows". Everyone who CAN drive knows it. The ones you CAN'T drive (properly) don't know.
I am driving 50 years, but was not aware of these driving skills and techniques. I love these these videos.
To think... ive met literally dozens of people who call themselves ‘highly proficient’ drivers who dont even know 1/100th of the techniques yall teach on this channel. Keep up the great content ✌️
Pretty sure I started doing this during Driver's Ed. Great skill, definitely going to have to actively exercise it and refine it once we finally get snow this winter.
Subaru on snow = weapon 😅🤣
Those La Sportivas! It's not easy driving in rigid soled mountaineering boots!
This was one of the first things I was taught when taking driving lessons. Sure made me realize not every tutor/school taught this (or people simple didn't care) when driving with friends and stuff.
Been doing this since day 1 of driving, never knew there was a name for it. I hate it when I’m in a car with someone else and they slam on the brakes last second for a red light
Isn't it safer to apply brake and when engine rpm gets close to idle press clutch? Especially in winter conditions? Considering normal driving there.
It's still possible to achieve limo stop.
Here is a team O'Neil video that talks a bit about that. ua-cam.com/video/fge_m9u864k/v-deo.html They do a few other videos about abs, and stopping in winter with different vehicles. Very cool and useful stuff. Have a great day and stay safe out there
@@ianholmquist8492 thanks, but thats not it! Gave it a think and figured it out, too easy to stall the engine in icy conditions, so better to clutch in if you wanna stop quick!
@@666mikimiki Was just about to say this very thing :> Especially if one parks their car outside in the cold, and they stall out? It could be that the engine doesn't come back on right away, so yeah definitely clutch in + block shift just in case
at least in my experience in pavement and in a non aggressive driving the car nosedives and feels heavier because the engine and transmission are still pushing forward then you clutch and it jumps from the sudden release
I've been doing the limo stop since the day I started driving, and didn't even realize there was a term for it. Learn something new everyday.
Wow so I’ve been doing this since day one. Mostly so it would be smooth driving with my parents. Driving like that actually had my driving instructor forget to give instructions because they didn’t realize I got to a stop sign since they were looking down at that point.
I had no idea that this method of stopping had an actual name let alone was considered to be an important driving skill since it was something that I taught myself to do as a teenager. Ever since then I can't think of a Time when I haven't used this method regardless of the situation or the vehicle I'm driving. The reason I learned how to do this was because one day I noticed my girlfriend's head Bob forward and back each time I stopped and I thought to myself, " she must think I'm a really bad driver so I'm going to figure out how to stop without her head moving at all. " after that point every time I stopped I would look over at her and see how much her head moved in response to the amount of braking I was applying and I would modulate the brake pedal to counter the direction of her head movement. I still kind of check my skills from time to time whenever I have a passenger using this method. Gold star please.
My driver's Ed teacher went through this with us and I am so glad, I hate when I'm in a car with someone who just hammers the brake until it stops and you get shook back into the seat when it's all done
Please more winter performance driving and safety tips. I don't have much experience with winter driving, but I like to drive year round like I do in the summertime, even when the weather's bad. 🤦♂️
Thank you for sharing this, more people should know
The funny thing is I figured out what this technique was before you actually explained it, despite not ever knowing this technique had a name. Everyone in the comments is saying something similar though lol. I'm one in the same!
This is an actual "technique"?
Here I am for the past 40 years thinking this was how you were >supposed< to do it.
I wasn't even taught it, it's just natural isn't it?
Otherwise you jolt to a stop
get with the times! everything has to be relearned these days. even age old common sense.
I'm a medical transport driver and I use this every time I get behind the wheel.
My dad drove tandem axle Mack trucks in the coalfields for years and always tough me to do the limo stop. All that weight taught him to be smooth.
I've been doing this all along. Didn't know it had a name. No one taught it to me, I figured it out myself, and it seems a lot of other people did too.
I also do this when people are tailing me too close. When I need to stop I brake Hard right away and lose most of my speed right away. It scares them and they brake hard too, then I ease out and get distance between them and me while leaving me safe distance ahead to stop.
Didn't know this was a skill that nobody knew. I'm a regular driver, haven't ever commercially driven passengers, and I practice limo stops often. I do it for me.
I used the limo trick driving buses for disabled people. Id get compliments for my smooth driving. Id explain the technique with the old,
'for every action there's an equal opposite reaction'.
The more break force applied, the more force comes thru as pushback at full stop.
This skill translates perfectly to those of us that drive EMS vehicles. You'll never get a worse complaint from the patient (or snarky comment from your partner after bouncing them off the bulkhead) then after a hard stop. Think smooth and life is good.
The best way to corner fast is maintain the higher average speed throughout the corner while braking as little as possible and not over accelerating . In racing conservative and planning lap by lap you will outrun your opponents thru this little gain as it stacks . Sometime neutral is better than using brake especially when turning moderate speed-high speed corner with a slightly sharp angle . With proper limo braking and skilled left foot whether its FF RR MR FR you get the performance out of the car to a higher limit faster and conserve the health of the parts much longer .
When I just learned driving, I was unintentionally trying to achieve that no-jerk stop whenever I came to a stop, but later I stopped doing that because nobody around me do that when driving and I don`t want to look silly. I guess I can pick this back up now.
This is standard practice and procedure in the Dutch driving exams in order to pass it’s required to have full control over the car… but cool video man
I didn’t know there was a name for that? My father showed me this technique wayyyy back when he was teaching me to drive.
Brings back memories of driving / sliding around shopping mall parking lots in the snow 😁
Aww I'm so stoked I missed a crap load of videos. Gonna binge all night and dirt rally 2.0 all day tomorrow 🤘
I do this in my car and on my work bus. Driving smoothly is a great skill. Good stuff bro!
Yes! More skills videos and drills to practice please. We want homework!
This video put a smile on my face at every stop light on my commute back home!
I've both done the limo stop and always brake hard well before an intersection in the winter to test traction. Had no idea they could be related
The one time I realized I was doing this is when I was coming up on a stop sign while taking driving lessons. The instructor hit the brakes hard just before the stop and told me to make it clear I completely stopped in case there's a control looking at the sign.
Never seen someone pump the throttle like that when starting from a stop with a manual @ 4:44. I'm going to have to practice that technique when driving underpowered cars, I'm used to driving trucks with high torque at low rpm, and low gearing. I already do the limo stop, but learning something entirely different form Wyatt today!
Just recently found this channel. Absolutely love it. Very informative and well delivered. No bullshit which I really appreciate. Getting a lot out of it and already started practicing some of the drills. Let it snow, let it snow. Cheers
Thanks Chris, we are thrilled you are enjoying our videos and learning a lot from them. Glad to have you with us!
Oh wow i have doing this....without knowing i just wanted to see how smoothly can operate a car without any jerks. But i have realised that there will always be a dive when clutch in and there will always be a slight jerk when stopping....
I love the limo stop; however, I had problems performing it in my new C8 corvette with the dual clutch transmission (DCT). To do a limo stop with a DCT transmission, you really need to force it in neutral (on the C8, hold both shift paddles in) otherwise the computer notices you feather the break and starts to engage/disengage the clutches and totally ruins the limo stop.
they actually taught this in driver ed class when I was in high school in Vermont. Mr. Worrel was the teach and actually won and award for best driver ed teacher for a year,
the dude was also the football coach so he could really yell
Love the winter driving videos! Don’t get much snow down in New Orleans to practice on
I've been doing this for quite some time. I didn't like slinging things off my seat or people forward, so I learned this over time. Before, I used to buckle my pizzas in, but now I'm comfortable living on the edge with my skillz 😎. Great video though, I'm practically bingeing these videos in my free time. There's much to gain by watching your videos, and I am antsy to be putting these to practice.
I can do this easily in every manual I've driven, however I always had alot of trouble doing it with the Taxi's on Auto transmissions that i used to drive.
Isn't that mainly because the engine is still delivering torque to the wheels and you have to overcome that?
This is my standard stopping procedure lol. (including having to break quickly when the light changes on you at just the wrong time lol).
Love this channel. It gives me hope that some people might keep learning every time they get in a car. Even though i don't personally know any drivers that constantly learn every time they get into any car, which makes driving on public roads worse every year since they make the cars safer in accidents that means the people that crash don't lear\have injuries or die instead they just get another car and there us one more idiot that still doesn't know bow to drive. Right on Wyatt, you rock!
Lol driving school for license teaches this but I remember when I used to get yelled at for do this in the rain to prevent wheel lock and slip when braking in the rain it nice to see someone recommend the correct way to module the brake without abs.
Also theres something to be said about trailbraking to induce understeer or oversteer especially in an awd car.
I didn't realize this was a skill. Nor did I realize it has a name lol. I've always stopped like this. Great vid, thanks for the info!!
I wish we had snow like that here where i live, i would love to train skills like these :)
seeing what the limo stop actually was made me both excited that I already did a cool driving technique without knowing it but also sad that I don't get to learn a new one now :(
Been doing this ever since I got my license
But, you sort of forget how it works on certain surfaces, so you know what happened after we got first real snow in the last 2 years...
Messed up the entire right side hitting a fence
To my defense, the snow just settled in, and I just got up and tried to hurry on my way to work. Instant reminder that there is no "hurry" on the snow lol
This is how I stop when I'm driving the ambulance lol
That's not how they were driving when I got stabbed lol
@@rockyloccgarage2040 Well for critical pts, lots of comfort stuff goes out the window. Unless the medic is trying to do something that requires precision.
Car control and connection thank you sir. Deep message delivered well
Oh boy Team O'neill winter content here we gooooo
First thing I do on leaving my driveway in snow is traction checks using both throttle and brakes.
I’ve been doing this all the time, now I have a name! Thanks!!
Amazing video, emergency situations and how to avoid them would be a great video
Nice video! i didnt realize there is a name for this.
I have been doing this since i first have passenger in my car, family, friends, etc.. but initially my intention is just to provide a comfort ride. Now i learn new application to it, always good to learn something use, looking forward for more videos, Thanks Wyatt and team O'neil
Helps if you start lightly building brake pressure at the beginning of the braking zone, then consistently build pressure to get most of your braking done late. Don't release any brake pressure until you're coming to a final stop.
And you'll have to get comfortable projecting/predicting where you'll end up.
Started driving a year ago and this was just common sense to me lol that first time I breaked really hard I knew I just had to ease off after a little bit
something i always did to impress my lady in the car for years. she was never impressed. never knew it had a name. this rules.
I don't have much good to say about my HS drivers ed teachers, back in the way back, but after giving us all whip-lash during routine stops, my in-car teacher angrily taught me this technique. I had no idea. I was 15, how on earth would I have known that a little lift at the end is all you need?!?!
Great video! I've always done this... it makes for a smoother stop. I just didn't know it had a name! It's a fun challenge to make sure there is no rebound of the front suspension.
It’s harder to do in an automatic cause engine always pushes up until the car stops and brakes lock. I noticed sometimes that if before I come to a stop and do the limo stop it stops so gently having nothing pushing it forward. I always do the limo stop cause I hate the car recoiling and stuff, especially in start stop traffic
i dont even have a license yet and i drive like this, driving with other people in the car really teaches to be smooth.
It looks like most people have done this for a very long time because people realize slowly letting off the breaks means smoother driving.... so basically this video just gives it a name
Oooo good to know there's a name for this! I've been doing this for a few months after finding out on my own and im so glad there is now a video to represent it
I've noticed that hard stop from a lot of people, and since I've started driving I've been practicing the limo brake just because I don't wanna give my passengers that same feeling I felt
Lol my dad taught me this stop learning to drive 35 years ago. Also if you’re driving an automatic transmission back in the day before abs brakes becoming common bumping it in neutral takes the power off the drive wheels like pressing in the clutch. Makes stopping on ice just a few feet shorter a the end of the stop when your wheels especially RWD keep pushing the vehicle..
taught this to my kids when they were learning. then when they drove in Drivers Ed, they were told it was the wrong way to stop. they still do it now though.
Never knew about Limo stop, but have always been doing it