I understand your point about modern people not being responsible for the sins of the ancestral past, but the country we are today, was shaped by that past, and has yet to become whole.
@falcon_uk Q; in your experience amongst the people you know, what is their general opinion (whether informed or not) about NI being part of UK, and do they (or you) feel deep down that NI Unionists are British. My opinion, tbf, is that the Unionists patriotism for Britain is not a reciprocal deal. It seems it must be strange to hear the Norn Iron accent, and it saying they're one and the same with mainland Britons.
Unionist loyalty to Britain is very conditional. They wave the union jacks and proclaim themselves as British, but are very quick to turn on Britain should the not get their own way. Unionist is in the whole, a very negative thing. @@DerekTJ
@@DerekTJ Hi DerekTJ. Good question. To be honest, none of them have ever spoken of Ireland or Northern Ireland to me at all. Not even once. I feel that with Brexit, and other things recently there should be another vote in Northern Ireland about whether to stay a part of the UK or leave. I have no issue with Michelle O'Neill or others calling for independence. The dynamics are changing within the population and clearly with the Northern Irish assembly. I feel it's a numbers game now. If more people want to leave, then it should happen and Ireland unite. I would love to see it in my lifetime. I am shocked the UK is still together to be honest. If the SNP hadn't had issues, they would be making serious plans to leave. I agree. I don't think the UK has done enough for Northern Ireland at all. If I was living in Northern Ireland, I would vote to leave the UK. It might be the size of the population being smaller perhaps. England has 84.3% of the population of the UK, and I feel sometimes it dominates. Clearly the Brexit vote demonstrated this. Devolution is helping, but sometimes it moves slowly. Northern Ireland has 2.8% of the population of the UK, but it shouldn't have 2.8% of the voice in political matters. I wish no matter what happens for peace, understanding and all the countries to do well for the future.
I’m British but it isn’t hard to see why the Irish should have a hate for all things English. Imagine if long ago an army arrived and killed your leaders, burned your home, pushed you around, made you speak a foreign language, gave away your best land and forced you on to poor quality land where you then depended on the potato to survive only to find when the crop failed you either starved to death, or left your country forever never to see your loved ones again. All the time you are ridiculed and made to fight their wars and do the dirty jobs would you have very much love for any trappings of their domination over you. Maybe not!
The Irish dont hate the Queen, or the King either. We do have issues with being under Colonial rule for 700 years but we have our sovereignty for over 100 years now and have prospered accordingly to become one of the richest Countries in the World
Our wildlife was destroyed and we were never given any reparations, and the uk still holds on to our northern quarter. We are not rich, only as rich as uk and the rest is tax fraud. Ireland will never be what it could have been.
That's not strictly true is it? EU handouts from the 1970s onwards, bailed out financially by UK in 2009, and now the "Leprechaun Economy" where laundering US corporations' tax affairs artificially inflates GDP per capita.
You do realise there are Irish here in the north and we haven't had our sovereignty for the last 100 years. And there is plenty of reason to hate the Queen. For a start she gave medals to many of the soldiers that served here during the troubles including the ones involved in bloody sunday.
What actually happened was that much of Ireland 's best agricultural land was owned by absentee landlords living in England, who were exporting all the grain for their own profit, leaving the Irish completely dependent on the potato which could be grown on poor soil. Hence the Irish were left vulnerable to the failure of the potato crop. It's also worth remembering that Ireland, albeit against the will of its people, was actually under British rule which means that the United Kingdom was as responsible for the welfare of Irish people as they were for the populations of Scotland, Wales and indeed England.
Yes and this was on the back of endless years of oppression. The monarchy are still held responsible in a way because the oppression of the Irish is seem to have been perpetuated ever since in the North. As for ordinary English people, there is generally no beef. Though Irish people can get irritated with those who try to whitewash the history. And you'd be surprised how often we got lectured on how the famine was our own fault, etc.
True but people forget all the poor of uk then which included ireland were hungry.many Scots n german historians have written on how sad people were to not be able to help more living themselves on one bowl weak water broth a day
Sir Charles Edward Trevelyan, 1st Baronet, KCB (2 April 1807 - 19 June 1886) was a British civil servant and colonial administrator. Today Trevelyan is mostly remembered for his reluctance to disburse direct government food and monetary aid to the Irish during the famine due to his strong belief in laissez-faire economics. He also wrote highly disparaging remarks about the Irish in a letter to an Irish peer, stating that "the judgement of God sent the calamity to teach the Irish a lesson". Trevelyan's defenders say that larger factors than his own acts and beliefs were more central to the problem of the famine and its high mortality. Meanwhile, in Ireland a million people starved to death, as the Irish watched with increasing fury as boatloads of homegrown oats and grain departed on schedule from their shores for shipment to England. Food riots erupted in ports such as Youghal, near Cork, where people tried unsuccessfully to confiscate a boatload of oats. At Dungarvan, in County Waterford, British troops were pelted with stones as they shot into the crowd, killing at least two people and wounding several others. British naval escorts were then provided for the riverboats. The Queen was still in power when Thatcher interned people without trial in Northern Ireland causing the Hunger Strike, and in power during Bloody Sunday.
The Trevelyan family owned more than 1000 slaves in Grenada (despite never setting foot there themselves) and received the equivalent of £3.5 million compensation when slavery was abolished.
Internment was for all that were a perceived threat to safety of the ppl of this country and any other. It was never nice to be a Japanese American. Terrorism means at war
I find it odd that given how deep the history of Britain is and all that went with it that the school curriculum did not teach your generation anything about the past with regards to England/Ireland relations. After typing that first line I quickly realise that that Has to be done on purpose, there's no way they just forgot to pop that bit of history in :)
I can only say the truth from my own knowledge and experience. They really didn't. I studied history at both school and degree level, and it was never mentioned. This was in 1997-2002 for uni. So it's not even that old. But... i've noticed the gaps in other areas. For example they teach things we won, but omit the oppression or things we lost. I think it'll change now. Nationalism is far lower in the younger generations and the school systems tend to move further left wing, plus there's a lot more discussion on this type of thing especially by the huge surge of anti monarchists. But I learnt from people like you, and then I look further into it and realise.
Anyone who wants to read about Irish history can just google it. I was never taught Irish history at school but have read all about it since then. It s easy to do.
@@falcon_ukyou’re so disingenuous. Schools don’t teach the positives either. Children are brought up thinking that we contributed nothing to the world, when in fact we gave the most, and led the fight to end slavery.
I’m British born of Irish parents. I grew up in the north of England in the 60/70’s. I have now lived in Ireland for 25yrs. My experience of the Irish are a very proud people, they haven’t forgotten the 800 hundred yrs of oppression of the Irish by the British authorities. The Irish have grown up with knowledge pasted on from their parents and grandparents of first hand experiences of what the English did in Ireland from Cromwell to the Great Hunger to the Troubles. I agree you or I are not responsible for what happened yrs ago but it is important to remember the victims. Peace ☮️
Part of what makes Irish people annoyed is just what you said, English education system does not cover the horrors of the British Empire. That you could reach your age and not know your countries history is sad.
At the time English farm workers were living like lords and having more food than they knew what to do with. In fact they were only slightly better of than the Irish.
The Elizabethan, Cromwellian and Victorian genocides in Ireland may have something to do with the dislike for the Crown. Ireland should have a population of between 25,000,000 to 35,000,000 today but it doesn't because of Britain's inactions during the Irish famine genocide. The British Civil Servant responsible for keeping the Irish alive said ''The real evil with which we have to contend is not the physical evil of the Famine but the moral evil of the selfish, perverse and turbulent character of the (Irish) people.” - Charles Trevelyan, December 1846. “For our parts, we regard the potato blight as a blessing.
Lord zTrevalyn who over saw the treatment of the Irish quoted that the Irish deaths was a judgement from God to teach the Irish a lesson’ He was knighted by Queen Victoria.
I’m pretty sure he became a peer before the iris potato blight. I mean he wouldn’t have been to control the incessant westerly Atlantic trade winds which caused a cold snap thus blighting the potato crop. I say this because potatoes of many varieties grow perfectly well everywhere in the British isles and around the world..
@Stand663 I'm fairly sure the potato blight started in Mexico and spread to Ireland via Europe. However, in other countries the loss of life wasn't quite as devastating as in Ireland as they weren't forced to export (often under British military guard) all other food to another country. Shipping dockets exist to this day showing all the food which was shipped to England. There was more than enough food being produced in Ireland to feed the population. The native Irish were removed from fertile land to the poorest land and had to grow the Lumper variety of potato, as it could grow well in poor, stony ground. If they had been able to grow other varieties of potato, there would at least been some food. When they couldn't pay rent, the English landlords evicted them and burned or demolished their homes. Also, starving people (men, women and children) were forced to work on road building and other public works if they wanted to benefit from the soup kitchen. Many of these roads led nowhere. They were simply meant to teach the Irish that you don't get anything for nothing.
@@Stand663I agree that Trevelyan couldn't have controlled the weather. But I would urge you to do a little research on Charles Trevelyan and consider his actions, attitude and disdain for starving fellow human beings during the so called "famine".
The queen's visit to Ireland was a big success. It was welcomed as one way to get over Irish Civil War politics. The sides of the Civil War (1922) had been dominating Irish politics ever since until events like entry into the EU, modernization, and the Queen's visit.
I gained much respect for the Queen when she visited the Rep of Ireland and then again the North. Dropped a lot of bitterness when she acknowledged mistakes of a tough past. And then shook hands with McGuinness... if those two could shake hands for the sake of future generations, then it's time to move forward in peace. And when she was in Dublin, I really, proudly saw Ireland as a mature and dignified nation that no longer needed to hold grudges... Once colonised & coloniser but now meeting with respect as equals.
@@gregbrogan9061 I agree with most of what she said but she should have apologised for what Ireland has been put through. The best she could say was we had a regrettable history. Not good enough.
@@briankelleher2156 - I totally get your perspective and those thoughts went thru my mind too... but then I thought, if the Queen slit her wrists right there and bled out as an apology to Ireland, would that be enough? And frankly, NO! There is nothing that makes their cruelty in our history forgivable. But I want to forgive and move forward and I believe that also shows the maturity, dignity, strength and humanity of Ireland - to prosper and succeed, remembering but moving past our colonial past, not being emotionally burdened by the knowledge of their inhumanity. And rather to have our own humanity despite not having been shown such in our history. To me, that says 'Ireland is indeed greater than the UK". To no longer need to be recognised as the victim - to have fully healed and to be stepping forward powerfully into our own bright future - which we control - where our painful past with the UK is irrelevant... The Queen said our past is "regrettable" - OK, she regrets it - she knows they were cruel/barbaric and as the Queen she must pick her words carefully... Now let Ireland be the greater nation - never forget - let it even motivate - but stand tall and proud. The UK tried to break us, they never could - and now, "don't let them live rent free in our heads".
@@gregbrogan9061 I would totally agree with you but if I may quote Edelle “for me it isn’t over”. It will never be over until we get our country back united. If the Germans occupied 20 per cent of Britain to this day you would never accept it. You would stop at nothing to get them out. The violence would be brutal. Why does Britain think we will accept it?
@@briankelleher2156 - Absolutely, but now there is a path to peaceful reunification. The better the ROI is, the less bitter and more welcoming, the sooner the 6 counties of the north will join the Republic. A United Ireland can't be the end game alone, it has to be peaceful and successful so that we don't just trade one issue for another. The Proclamation stands against the "differences carefully fostered by an alien Government" and a United Ireland must do the same. As Bobby Sands said "Our revenge will be the laughter of our children" - no need for hostility as it only breeds hostility in return.
During the time of the "Great Hunger", as it's known in Ireland, the British government were responsible for 1 million people dying in three ways. First they gave too little, not realising the extent of the problem since millions of Irish were entirely dependent on the potato and not much else. Then the British government decided on a laissez faire approach ie, the market would decide how to approach the economic problem. As a resul,t Queen Victoria cut back on money that was earmarked to help. Charles Trevelyan is seen as the villain in Ireland, due to his disparaging remarks on how the Irish deserved what they got. The second response was to export food out of Ireland to continue as before the famine. Again the " market" was the excuse. When groups of Irish people tried to stop the traffic of food out of the country, they were shot. Finally the British government imported Indian meal , which without facilities, the Irish could not cook or eat. There were religious groups who set up food kitchens, notably the huguenots and quakers and some landlords treated their tenants well. But the devastation was horrendous. All Irish people know this and while we don't blame the present British people, we don't forget.
I never noticed that Irish people were glad the Queen died. Given her very advanced age and inevitably imminent death, it would be a pretty pointless exercise.
I'd say the average Irish person was indifferent really. I wouldn't go by what a bunch of football fans are chanting, that's a pretty low barometer. I don't know anyone in Ireland that wished an elderly woman any ill will (apart from maybe Maggie Thatcher, we hated her)
I'm around the same age and Irish, it's usually the older generation that don't like the Irish- I was in Turkey on a holiday and at a BBQ - when the British lady sitting beside me discovered that I was Irish she became very nasty and made a lot of derogatory comments to me about my people. I ended up having to change tables😢. A drunk British man spat in my face on another occasion for simply hearing my accent. I have a lot of very good British friends but I'm always wary of the older ones😮.
What? She sounds like a fool. I wouldn't judge English people on what some of my people are like abroad. Even I can't stand the opinionated, loud, thuggish, drinking Brits when I'm on holiday.
I'm from Drogheda, Cromwell did terrible things here. There's a street called scarlett street here cause it's where the army men who protected the town and their families lived and when they were butchered the street was ran red with blood. The Turkish and native Americans were very good to us historically. In drogheda the Turkish left bags of grain for the irish along the port because they were not allowed to donate as much cash as they wanted, as it was bigger than the queen's donation. It was terrible what happened but the english are our neighbours and it's hard to jold a grudge against them, i dont think the normal folk were to blame. Generally i love the English, normally find them real friendly and good craic! The only times i ever felt like i was treated badly by an english person because i was irish, was back when the soldiers were on the border. I haven't lived up north tho. My sister has and loved it. As did her english BF. I do wish they were taught about it in school tho
Thank you for sharing. Sorry to hear this happened. I think they will be taught more in schools in the future. I think the older generations tend to look back on the British Empire with rose tinted glasses. I think nowadays, the younger generations are far more in tune to the how much damage the British have done over the centuries and that we should apologise for said atrocities at the very least.
Ireland produced enough cows, sheep, pigs etc to feed the island twice over but it was exported to Britain. The majority of food sent to Ireland was to feed live stock instead of the Irish people.
I worked in England for 40 yrs .I lived when written in Windows NO BLACKS NO IRISH NO DOGS ALLOWED.Seen frequently in to let property especially in London.Thousands of us went over and did the jobs the English would not ever consider ie Nursing.Construction.+++.But over the years we through our hard work and integration things changed.We have always expressed our love for our country which saw us through the bad times.I never hated the English but I hated Bigots. I am back home now but happy memories of my Time in England.
What? People actually put that in a window? I've NEVER ever seen anything like that ever. That's shocking. Thankfully I've not come across any bigots like that. I know 3 English nurses, but more than that in construction. Perhaps in London there weren't as many? England is a mess though, there's no denying that. Anyway, thank you for your comments. Was nice to hear your views.
Yes this is factual the No Blacks No Irish No Dogs is true in the UK ,the US and Australia it was a thing, I have a page from a Belfast News Letter newspaper dated from 1927 ,it stated in every add on the employment wanted page,No Catholics Wanted,some I might add did have No Jews added, in the main is said RC need not apply, then you would wonder why The Provisional IRA came about
Thank you for doing the jobs we English wouldn't do.Without you we'd be living in daub and wattle hovels and treating our sick with potions from the local witch .We English never ever oicked up a shovel or nursed the sick.Mind you we had to do a bit when the paddys rushed home in 39,never understood why .
@@stanleywoodison8699 I don't know where you got the idea that there was a mass exodus of Irish from England in 1939, it was quite the reverse. In fact over 200,000 Irish people went to England between '39 and '45 to either join up or work in the munitions factories.
In 1847 alone the brits shipped out 4000 ships of food to england while 1 million irish starved to death. The English parliment seen it as an "act of god to wipe out the irish". The turkish king at the time wantes to send a large amount of miney to help the irish but the queen of england stopped it from coming so the turks had to send it in secret. Ye wouldnt be tought this in school, it dosnt look great afrom a monarch perspective looking back
Nope. it really doesn't! I wasn't taught this at all. But I am looking at al the England Monarchs lately funnily enough, but I've not got into the 1800s yet. But I'll have a look into this. Thank you.
@@falcon_ukLook into how the rest of the UK suffered just as much while you are at it. But I guess we learned how to catch fish and grow other things quicker. While your at it, look at the figures for those who left each island for far off shores around the time. They call it the "Irish Famine" it didn't just effect Ireland.
@@WeAreThePeople1690 The potato blight started in the Isle of Wight and quickly spread across England and into Ireland so yes the harvest's failed in England and across Europe, however the potato was the staple diet of the Irish peasantry, they had nothing else so the UK did not suffer from a famine or as it was called in Ireland 'the great hunger' because there was plenty of food around but it was all being sent to the UK. The English were not starving. All livestock and rivers were owned by English and Anglo Irish Landlords and if a native Irish person was caught trying to fish or snare a rabbit, well that was called poaching and was punishable by several months in prison. For those living on the coast...yes sea fishing was an option.....if you had a boat and rods/nets. Anyone who had fishing equipment would have had to sell it to buy food little knowing that the blight was going to last as long as it did as for growing other 'things' what would you suggest? the worst affected people were the poorest of the poor they had only a tiny patch of land about the size of an average front garden to grow anything and these were the 'lucky' ones, many others were itinerant laborer's who had nothing. They couldn't pop down to the local Garden Centre and buy a packet of carrot seeds and wait for them to grow could they? The truth is that the Irish poor ate everything they could. They trapped every animal that could be caught, they ate every plant and leaf that could be eaten - worse, some tried to eat grass. So your snide little comment about fishing and growing other things just displays your ignorance of the subject.
@WeAreThePeople1690 UK badly suffered from blight too but not anything like the level Irish suffered. We were additionally shot if we fished. And shiploads of food was hauled out of Ireland at gunpoint to feed the English ppl and herds, while Irish ppl starved to death. Irish ppl suffered immensely more.
Not the Queen, she seems like a nice enough old lady. But the history of the British establishment ( not the vast majority of people) I'd vile for most of Irish history from deporting food out of the country during the fammine to driving the army into a football stadium to machine gun the stands. And everything in-between
Nobody is happy the Queen passed away. The monarchy stood for British Rule in the past but most reasonable Irish people do not take it out on the current British Royal Family. Queen Elizabeth I I was an amazing person. It still hurts that the 6counties (Northern Ireland) belong to the UK still. However going to war over it isn't an option. Peace between nations is what we all want.
I would say in regards to your idea that lizzy doesn’t have to apologise for what her country had done in the era of Victoria, I would politely like to disagree….. the reason being it was elitists by birth-rite and superiority that was bred into the people that allowed the past atrocities to be inflicted on the Irish population. They viewed them selves as superior than the poor Irish hag and beggar. That same system of superiority and Elitist birth-rite is what gives her position that she was in… she was also the vessel in which does and has represented a 1000 year old dynasty that fucked over Irish ppl for over 800 years. Thus that resentment is to be expected by a ppl that suffered greatly. And this is coming from someone who is unionist. Like acknowledging wrongs is part of the processes.
Thank you for your reply. Do you think it should just be an apology? or should there be reparations as well? My next question involves yourself. If we were to go through history, and through your own family history, and find out you were linked to say a past familial member who committed a crime, would you apologise? Would you pay reparations? Or should you be exempt because you are not a figurehead? not an elite whom is in their position by birth right? This is the emotional position I was coming from in my video, with my British bias being British. There are times however when I do question it from the other side. On the day i made the video however, I was not impartial. It's something I take onboard for the future.
@@falcon_uk I actually have experience as someone from Northern Ireland in which violent crimes have happened both to my family and friends as well as committed by my family . So I guess I have a unique perspective on things like apologizes and reparations….. in regards to reparations I don’t actually think Irish people have ever actually wanted something like that…… because money isn’t going to fix the 800 years of trauma violence and discrimination …… as is the case with acts of violence enacted on my family and by my family neither party wanted money, because it’s not about money. Firstly yes I’m of the opinion that an apology isnt necessarily owed by individuals by actions of their family however it still means a lot if they do apologise even tho it wasnt them it still feels genuine well I suppose depending on the apology. I have apologized for past actions of people and is common when you feel responsibility for another person which often occurs.. Secondly as said before the Queen was a figure head and representative of an institution and nation the same institution and nation that enslaved, beaten, starved and murdered Irish men women and children for over 800 years. While one apology is okay if having the full knowledge and understanding of what you are actually apologizing for, more could/ should have been said on multiple of multiple of occasions. Plus English learn very little about what they did to others countries including Ireland. And truthfully most if not least even if there is no apology what most Irish people want is people to know and understand what the land and people have gone through at the hands of the British. This is coming from a unionist Protestant that happily wants Northern Ireland to stay in the uk might I add….. an axe won’t remember each of the trees it cut down but the tree will . All the tree wishes is that the axe acknowledges it cut it down and hacked it up and wants it remember that .
Reparations? No, absolutely not. I'm Irish and would have no wish for any reparations. An apology is only right and just. People should know their history and be sorry for injustices done in their name and make no mistake, the sins of the past were done in the name of British people, past and present, to make their own children's futures better, off the back of others. But there's no way I would expect anybody alive today (who never had anything to do with the past) to have to pay some money to me (who never suffered as my ancestors did).
@@f.dmcintyre4666 Well I would say why doesn’t Ireland just assimilate to Britain? Now you see how ridiculous what you said sounds. It’s not a simple bump and there we go, it would affect thousands of ppls jobs, way of life and futures, not to mention the violence that will likely arise, employee’s in the NHS both in Northern Ireland and in mainland Britain , then theirs the issue with schooling as many professional degrees do not translate fully into each other’s such as law, then you have schooling in general which is actually quite different. The Good Friday agreement was put in place so as to keep the peace and that’s what it’s been doing so I don’t think anyone would like to destabilize our region. Also it’s also a known fact the housing crisis down south so I guess what I’m trying to say is that it isn’t plausible or practical to do this when so many people’s livelihoods and way of lives would be disrupted in such serious ways.
The Queen came to Ireland in 2011 and was well received by the vast majority of the people .She did much to undo the harm done by Margaret Thatcher to Anglo- Irish relations.The Queen was a person of great ntelligence and carried herself well and was repected for this in Ireland and rightfully so .
Elizabeth II was a woman in her mid eighties when she visited her nearest neighbours for the one and only time in her life, during that lifetime she visited e.g., Canada 27 times. Now some may say that Elizabeth II did what the Government of the day instructed her to do, that's correct to a point, but she and other members of the royal family were able to carry out private visits if they so desired, they obviously didn't desire to have this level of contact with the neighbours whom they had just finished torturing for the previous 7/8 centuries, and who could blame them I suppose, they felt they wouldn't have been welcome due to the history between them. Even while all of this was going on the Irish and British peoples did mix and meet, if you want a good example of this you should listen to the speech given by the President of Ireland/Uachtarán na hÉireann Michael D Higgins on Tuesday, 8th April 2014, in the Royal Gallery of the Palace of Westminster in London on the occasion of the first state visit by a President of Ireland to the United Kingdom. I think recordings of it can be found here on UA-cam.
I don't think there is any deep viscera hate of the late Queen or now King Charles as a person but the institution of the Monarchy has not been kind towards the Irish in the past when it had more say and control in British policies. It is not well loved in that regard.
I lived in London for 7 years in the 60’s. I never experienced racism and worked with some great guys. Only once did I see ‘no Irish’ My late wife was English and looked after my family whilst they were here in Australia .The Famine and treatment of the indigenous Irish has left a deep scar and explains a lot of bitterness and angst. The Royals did nothing to address the treatment of the Irish then and shame on them.🇮🇪🇦🇺Btw loyalists are Unionists and Protestants settled in NI
In Northern Ireland, Unionists/loyalists on the same "side". ie. The both see themselves as British, not Irish. Loyalists are the more rabid/violent section of Unionism. Nationalists/Republicans on the other hand regard themselves as Irish. Unionists are primarily Protestant. Nationalists are primarily Catholic. The most recent census in N.I. indicated a majority of Catholics in N.I. for the 1st time since the establishment of N.I. by the British State approx. 100 years ago. By the way N.I. is not a "country" in the real sense. At best it's a Statelet, and is smaller than the province of the 9-county province of Ulster.
Ireland was part of the British isles as with Scotland and Wales. You all had representation in the Westminster parliament (where all issues are resolved democratically). There has been Irish, Scottish, Welsh prime minister’s, from conservative, liberal, and labour parties. And all religions I might add.
@@Stand663 There was never an Irish Prime Minister. N.I. Catholics were denied housing & Civil Service jobs and proportional representation in The UK's corrupt N.I. gorvernance system right up to the 1970s and 80s'....that's how bad it was. They had to have Civil Rights marches at the same time as the Blacks in America. Go educate yourself - the time of UK lies and spoofing is long over.
@@Stand663 Yes exactly.Ireland voluntary became part of the uk in 180l.Too many Irish love to do the blame game,and some peoples predudices are so entrenched that they fail to do the proper research regarding the famine.For instance,the government spent 8 million pounds(8,000,000) on famine relief.8 million pounds in 1845 would be the equivalent to billions now.Why is this never mentioned?
A statelet just means a small country. NI is statelet in the UK 🇬🇧, just as is Wales, Scotland, lsle of Man, The Channel lslands etc. The Union flag 🇬🇧 represents all the Christian saints of the British isles. Ps Happy St Andrews Day (belated)
Irish land was taken from the Irish. During the famine absentee landlords who were given the land exported food and grains and also evicted starving Irish who could not pay the rents.
The UK did that a lot unfortunately in those times. So did a lot of other nations of course (England itself was invaded and land ruled by other nations many times), but that doesn't excuse the UK's conduct when looking back in today's society.
The Normans (French) invaded Ireland in 1169 after England.. Many absentee landlords were Irish ! Famines happened quite regularly in Ireland.. small country mentality at work here and in Scotland and Wales
As an American I never owned a slave, however as an American we inherited the ills and consequences of slavery. The UK and in particular its monarchy must accept responsibility for its past. We cannot know where we're going till we understand where we've been.
British stopped slavery around the world and have a lot to answer for but what country hasn't?? Time to let the past be the past specially with demographics now
@Dibley8899 Well said! Worth adding the British ended slavery long before the Americans, and whilst the US did were late to WW1 and 2 like you said, people forget the Americans actually charged the UK for the supplies (many of the military supplies were out of date I might add), and high interest loans for rebuilding which the Uk was still paying until 2006!!!!!
Will Ireland be holding themselves responsible for enslaving Britons for centuries? You could start by not celebrating one each year called St Patrick. You could also look into how America was built after the British left. The Irish helped clear the land of the natives and were paid by the scalp. There were also Irish slave owners the British government paid to free their slaves.
Its only 100 yrs ago .. literally my grand parents were born during the occupation.. my great grandfather fought in the independence war.. its not fresh but its not old and us irish have never entertained the notion of compensation.. but it is irksome that the English dont know what their grandfather's and great-grandfathers did to ours !
@@Stand663no they mostly died. Ireland is the only country in the world whose population is less now than 1840. It’s all down to the famine and how British managed it. Many view this as a genocide attempt. Ireland’s population today would easily be 25 to 35 million if the famine had not happened.
@@murpho999 Nonsense. You’re just repeating isrish propaganda. The real truth is you were less than an hour by boat from the British mainland, where you all came to escape hunger and poverty. The ones with a bit of savings, went on British ships from Southampton to North America mainly New York. The criminals were sent to the colonies the Caribbean and Botany Bay in Australia etc. After serving your sentences and rehabilitation yous stayed on and made a new life for yourselves etc etc.
I have been asked by English people why the Irish keep on bringing up atrocities that are ancient history. Well, we don't but we keep getting reminded of them by the British Government. For example, in 1922 a convoy of Black and Tans drove into my village and opened fire on the villagers, killing three teenagers and wounding many more. They said that the villagers had opened fire first. The incident had international publicity, so the British held an inquiry, which came to a verdict. Unfortunately, the verdict was made an official secret that couldn't be revealed for 100 years. In 2022 the verdict was made public, the Black and Tans had lied about the villagers opening fire first. My village had that accusation hanging over their heads for 100 years and it brought the horror back.
Generalizations though. Yes, there are some who don't like what the monarch represents, and there are some who hold no animosity. Many Irish emigrated to the UK. I visited an uncle of mine who emigrated from Ireland when he was 16, and who worked and lived in London until he died in his 80's. Where he was living there were many ex-Pat Irish. I asked a couple of them if they'd ever consider moving back to Ireland. No! was the answer because 'The Queen and the country were good to us'
Virtually all don't like what the monarch represents. Ive never once heard an Irish person thank the queen for being good to them. Living in a country is one thing but celebrating the royals is a no-go for an irish person just as it is for many in Scotland or even the north of england.
Thank you for pointing my stupidity. I hadn't realised that I said that the Queen of the United Kingdom was the Queen of Ireland? I don't recall saying that, but thank you for pointing it out.
The british never remember and the Irish never forget. The queen was the head of British armed forces. A lot of things happened on the island of Ireland in her name.
The Birmingham pub bombings were one thing that happened this side of the water. Only English people maimed and murdered so never mind. They were probably involved in the potato famine.
It seems to me as a Yorkshire man that your education was badly neglected by the school you went to. I growing up in the 1960's learnt British history from the Romans to modern times, including about the involvement in Ireland, by Cromwell etc. The British as a whole both now & in the past cannot be blamed for all the bad things that may have happened, not forgetting that bad things were done on both sides as in any argument. The British have received a bad press because of the Empire, but it was no worse, & often much better, than many other empires, including the French, Spanish, Turkish, Chinese & others through time.
The 'tension' didn't increase because the UK left the EU, it was the threats the UK made to Ireland in the process of leaving, and this didn't happen "before you were born" and it shows the continuing attitude by the English in particular towards the Irish. Yes indeed the British do look down on the Irish and are well known worldwide for their misplaced superiority complex. The Queen reaches out and extends the olive branch? Maybe she should have scrapped the firm, sold off the billions in land and castles she has and given Ireland the hundreds of billions she has squirrelled away in repatriations.
Did we threaten you when we were leaving the UK? Funny, I saw the whole of our MEP's turn their backs on the EU un-elected rulers, in support of Ireland, they were all wearing of the green then..Oh and btw WE own all the estates as the Queen gifted them to the people on her Coronation..Only Balmoral, and and Sandringham are the property of the Royals..What happened to the Irish kings?
I appreciate your view and passion, but i try to never look down on anyone. I never walked a mile in their shoes, so how can I really know the issues they've faced? As for superiority complex, perhaps some English are like that. Nowhere near all. If they are, it's ignorance I would say. Thank you for your comments.
The majority of us Irish didn't hate the late Queen. Think of the reception she received on her state visit. We don't hate the King either. Monarchy is a different matter!
No houses I ever seen! Check it out: www.irishpost.com/life-style/infamous-no-irish-no-blacks-no-dogs-signs-may-never-have-existed-racist-xenophobic-148416
Before the race discrimination laws of the 1960s there were discriminatory signs, in particular signs saying “no coloureds”, obviously directed against people from the Caribbean and the sub-continent. That particular sign though “no blacks no dogs no Irish” is almost certainly fake, mocked up by Irish activists for an event at an Irish festival in London in the 1980s.
When I lived in Cricklewood in the 1980s, there were adverts for accommodation around Cricklewood and Kilburn with text such as "Suit Irish boy" or "Irish House". You can't have it both ways.
I837 census gave 8.7 million total , it is projected that by 1847 the figure had increased to 9.2million , the current total is just under 7, the lowest point was around 1900 when less than 3 million were living here.
We were exporting twice the amount of food that could have fed the starving Irish to Britain to pay our rent. England did send food to Ireland but that was to fatten cows for export to England.
It is worth remembering that the Queen was the first monarch to visit Ireland to pay her respects, extend an olive branch and publicly acknowledge the wrongs of the past, and I think that went down well.
The first welcomed to Ireland so we could extend an olive branch to her and show forgiveness to the evil actions of her family and country, She was welcomed because she is the the first to admit all of the evils were wronged by the British. It’s a start concerning the inhumane treatment and ignorance of the British but it’s a start. We welcomed her because….. We are Irish, not British, Our nature to not to lower our standards to those who suffer from such conditions like ignorance…. She is lucky she got to experience true kindness and compassion, As she didn’t have that upbringing I suppose, Being British
It always amazes me that unbiased history is not taught in English schools. The comment I wasn't around then is the same as pleading ignorance and a little bit of a copout. Every Irish person was taught their history which may not have always been from school, but was passed down through the family from generation to generation, we all have stories of being punished for speaking our native tongue amoungest other atrocities (you may want to look up the notorious Black and Tans). I feel the past is the past and we need to move on but its like the old saying “Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it.”
It really isn't! History was taught poorly, certainly in the schools I was in. But I wonder, is history really taught unbiased in many places? I think that's perhaps slightly harsh. Imagine waking up one day, and someone telling you that a person committed crimes before you were born, and showed you prejudice and said you should pay them for what happened. That is semi how it feels to me. I'm not saying the English were saints. Clearly they weren't at all!!! and clearly they profited from other countries whilst claiming all sorts of nonsense. History passed down through family lines sounds hugely biased, and that's not to say I doubt you; I actually don't. But I will look up Black and Tans to see if I can understand what you are saying a little more. I apologise for all the bad my English ancestors did. I don't agree with it, and personally I love Ireland. I ALWAYS change my mind in light of new information. So I'll go and read up about what you said.
1641 massacre, which also triggered events for the next 50 odd years. Tells a different story. Is that how you welcomed people to the country? Can't get away with that nowadays, otherwise the Liffey would be awash right now! And that would be racist, right??
From my understanding German history is taught in an unbiased way that takes ownership of their horrific past. English history in relation to your empire building and what was done to the natives all over the world is truly horrific too. I just think its a healthier way forward to learn about the good and the bad for all of us and ultimately builds better relations all round. Sadly since the Good Friday agreement the lack of knowledge about Ireland has grown greatly in England and this was very evident through the debates and discussions over Brexit. For all his faults, Tony Blair developed a good understanding of the issues and history so it was a real shame to listen to politicians from all parties showing an embarrassing lack of any knowledge about the GFA and its implications regarding Brexit, with many actually stating Ireland re-joining the United Kingdom as being a plausible solution. This is obviously unpalatable for us to hear in this day and age and brings our troubled and troubling history to the forefront again. Most Irish people agree that its English ancestors and not English people today that we have difficulties with but we just wish English people were as informed about Irish history and politics as we are about English history and politics is all. I do appreciate your video though @@falcon_uk
@@falcon_uk At school I was taught Irish history, the connection to Scotland, 5th century, through Bannockburn, Elizabeth I spoke Gaelic, the Jacobite Rebellion which has links to the history of France, Netherlands, the 100 years War, the Wars of Succession, The Revolutionary War in America is part of Irish history, Napoleonic Wars, the Sepoy Rebellion in India, Boer War from the Boer side, both World Wars, and yes English history probably knew more than most English people about the Wars of the Roses, Civil War, Cromwell, all the Cromwell's Thomas and Oliver, not related,this was at national school age six to eleven and it carried on Irish people just like English people over there were not taught about the failure either, the Catholic Church, the Irish Civil War, partition, apart from that we learnt about Robert O Hara Bourke,a guy called Rourke, John Barry USN, and Billy the Kid
@@falcon_uk the biggest problem with how you were taught your nation's history is that you were taught things like 'cromwell was a hero', and to the engish this may be the case - but as an Irish person, we were taught the truth of his genocidial attempts to destroy the Irish people in the name of his king. and that is just one example of the duality of history which is taught to the conqueror vs the conquered Go n'éirí an t-ádh leat ☘
@@falcon_uk It's funny because the whole world knows that most of Britains history stinks. They really were the evil Star Wars empire. Besides the relationship with Ireland, which has only calmed down in recent history, modern British history has turned around a lot.
@@falcon_uk Sinn Fein (we ourselves) are the Nationalists they are the majority in the NI assembly, but the assembly is not operating as the Loyalists refuse to accept they are now a minority and refuse to participate.
Didn't happen in Queens lifetime? An aweful lot happened in Queen Elizabeth's lifetime. Hell a lot happend during her reign as Queen (1952 - 2022). For example the entire Troubles, which was 1960s-1998. Queen Elizabeth was Head of the Armed Forces when Bloody Sunday (the shooting of 26 civilians by British soldiers) occured in 1972. BBC's Panorama identified 10 unarmed civilians shot by Britain's Military Reaction Force which operated in the 70s, there were 10,600 shootings in Northern Ireland at the time, it is not possible to say for certain how many that unit was involved in, all records were destroyed. It's not all down to Liz of course, its 800 years of terrible history, Queen Vic was monarch during the Great Famine, and King George V was monarch during the first Bloody Sunday (yep, it happend twice!).
The monarchy as well as the British Government shipped out food from Ireland whilst the Irish died. This was not the first atrocitiy the English /British had commited against the Irish, under Oliver Cromwell 40%of the population was either killed exiled from the country.... Obviously people today are not to blame but it staggers me how ignorant we are I this country when it comes to our history not just in Ireland but everywhere where the Empire has been, from the slave trade to the deaths of over 100million people in India and so many more gruesome involvements in other parts of the world. I'm English and Its no good pretending these things never happened.....
You are a really good person. But the Irish in NI are called nationalists ....the loyalists and unionists are factions of those who want to be in the UK.
Thank you for your kind comment. First one I've had I think!!! Apologies if I got some facts wrong. It's a very passionate subject for a lot of people, and I can see why.
I find it hard to reconcile how a British culture that constant celebrates and eulogises the past through Poppy-day events, military parades, Remembrance Day events, VE Day etc. etc. throughout all sections of its society and social media ....can then at the same time, when confronted with past actions....somehow can convenienty say with a straight face " Don't know what you're talking about dear. But I wasn't there. Nothing to do with me Guv.." But you have an open mind at least perhaps. Best of luck to you.
That is the problem with the British when confronting the history of their glorious Empire. some give you the impression they think it was a charitable organization of benevolence and others should feel proud to have been part of it but when confronted by the atrocities that were committed they always say I wasn't there but consequences continue to this day for those exploited. You can't honestly have it both ways but the British seem to insist on it some times.
I don't think it's just a British problem. It happens with a lot of nations. For example my friend went to Stockholm recently, and toured a very old large stately home. They were very proud of their history, especially in World War 2 where they remained neutral. They talked about jews fleeing Europe to Sweden because of their neutrality. Did they talk about the supplies and economic support they constantly sent the Nazis or that they were pro-German on a lot of things in the war? Of course not. They focus on the positives. Which most nations tend to do. Is it right? That's a question for history and for the people of the world to answer.
We didn t control Ireland for 800 years, there has been a english presence in ireland that long but we ve only controlled all of it for about 300 years
it wasnt an apology that was required, it was recognition from the Brits that it happened. As the head of state of the UK she was the only one who cld do this. an English man telling us to move on. go away with yourself.
You're right. I apologise for all the bad the English did, including the stuff I don't know about (which is a lot). Don't move on if you don't want to. I'll try and continue learning as much as I can and correcting my opinions, and try to learn from the past, so I and hopefully everyone else can have a better future. You do you.
The British did not take potatoes out of Ireland during the Potato failure, there were none to take. They took the grains (called corn in Britain, American corn being called maize) and the meat out of Ireland. Ireland was indeed part of the United Kingdom, with Q Victoria as Ireland's monarch. Yes, the British govt was scolded by Victoria as you say.. The govt ruled, the monarch merely reigned. The govt ruled under a belief in laissez-faire economics which held that the govt should never ever interfere with private property rights and leave everything to market forces. Almost all the land in Ireland was owned by Protestant landklords who saw themselves as British.. It was they who took the food out of Ireland to sell in British.
Liked your video lad. You have a good attitude and manner about you. I am Irish like England and English people but their will always be a little bit of anger nis about what happened . But we'll all still get along ❤
Thanks! It means a LOT to hear this! I learnt a lot, and defo more since. If i recorded it now, I don't think I would have the same opinions to be honest. I would like to do more videos soon. Hope you stop by the channel again at some point. Thank you :)
Ireland was so impressed with the visit of the Queen (RIP) in 2011, the first time in I think, in 100 years. I was involved in the security planning for that visit and felt it was a privilege to do so. Her Majesty captivated the Irish people with her poise, tone, a few words in Irish, and her reverence to those Irish people who had died fighting for Irish freedom. Our two countries have a complicated and divisive history, but by moving on from the past we should be able to co-exist as partners.
I'm Irish and I certainly didn't hate the Queen. I thought she was a rock when her country was going through a lot of turmoil and discontent. I was sad when she passed away. Remember not all of us live in the past.
You'll probably find that very few 'hated' the queen. For most, myself included, it was mostly apathy. "She's not ours so I don't really care but I'm still sorry for your loss". However, your comment about "not living in the past", as though those who remember their history somehow live in the past or have hang ups about it, is both disparaging and wrong. People should remember their history. It's important and it's what defines most cultures around the world, including Irelands. As even the video points out, most British people do not know their own history or not enough of it.
@@gerardflynn7382 wrong. The Irish enslaved the English for centuries. Ireland was colonised by the Normans not the English. The English were colonised themselves. St Patrick himself was a slave taken from Britain by Irish raiders.
@user-wx1uv7vf5r the Irish raided Britain up until the 11th century. One of the reasons the Normans invaded Ireland was because the Irish wouldn't stop raiding and enslaving Welsh and English people, so the Normans invaded and outlawed slavery in Ireland. The Germanic tribes had settled in Britain during the Roman times long before the 5th century. They came in much larger numbers in the 5th, but they had already settled there before the 5th. There's a free history lesson for you
Hate the queen? Nonsense, the Irish have a great fondness for Germans, and since the Windsors are part of the Hanoverian House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, we do not have any problem with Britain being ruled by a German monarch.
Some of the atrocities aren't that far back like bloody Sunday in Derry 1969. 14 unarmed civilians were killed by the British army shot in tge back while running away. Mostly teenagers, the might still be alive today if it weren't for that. Although there recently was an apology, there was no consequences for those at fault. They continued whitin the British forces and eventually retired etc. Discrimination was fairly common in Northern Ireland up until the good Friday agreement in 1998. That why James McClean from Derry refuses to wear a poppy. Proceeds go to British army veterans including those who perpuetated these crime in living memory.
Hi Owen, it's a little worse than that. The Para's were involved (perpetrated) the Ballymurphy massacre in Belfast August of 1971 (9 people died). They were then transferred to Derry in 1972 and given a similar remit (14 died out of 26 shot). That's a very high mortality rate. None of the people killed had any "military" role whatsoever. The blowback from Ballymurphy was relatively minor. The International condemnation after Bloody Sunday was massive, there was riots in Dublin and the British Embassy was burnt to the ground (my dad was there). Some of the soldiers involved were given medals. Some are still alive. That event caused a simmering insurgency to explode into a gut wrenching war that spilled over to England. The Queen of England represents England but also the UK and has represented the UK in Northern Ireland. The Queen's dad was King in Ireland so her not being Queen in Ireland was a bit of a thing. Just to give you a couple of numbers. The population of Ireland in 1845 was approximately 8.75 Million (the Act of Union with Great Britain was in 1801). So comparable to England at the time which was around 14.5 million. By the time the English left in 1922 there were 3.5 million Irish left in Ireland. A couple of million (your numbers are little low) died and the rest left over that timeframe. Meantime England grew hugely and benefited greatly from its Empire of which Ireland was a part. Look up Trevelyan and his comments during the Famine, but also look up the volume of food exports from Ireland to England during the depopulation of Ireland. That's a tough history to look past. The treaty signed in 1921 forced the Irish to pay for the British army's expenses for fighting the Irish as well as requiring Irish MP's to swear allegiance (you guessed it) to the King. Partition of IReland and the creation of Northern Ireland was part of that treaty. The terms were so severe that there was a Civil war fought over signing it. Another provision of the treaty was that Irish people would continue paying the British Government for their land (which the British Government had bought from British Lords to "grant" to their tenants in Ireland). That wasn't resolved until 1938 just in time for England to ask Ireland for help in the Second World War, which was not forthcoming. However ten's of thousands of Irish born people fought at all levels in the War in British uniforms. My grandparents paid the annuities. Look up the "economic war" between Ireland and England. I'm not that old and my parents heard first hand from their parents about the suffering it caused. Given how many Irish people immigrated to England and still do, it would be insane to "hate" English people. I'm related to them. I don't think Irish people are looking for an apology. I think happily presenting "our History" in glowing terms and focusing on the glorious parts of it without in any way acknowledging the ugly bits that affect your neighbors can appear a little boorish. The Japanese have the same problem with the Koreans. The Monarchy represents the Empire and a long unbroken history. What does the Empire represent? Not everybody is as enthusiastic about that history or as welcoming of its representatives, which seems reasonable. Brexit really upset a lot of Irish people because of "Empire 2.0", ignoring Peace treaties hard won and carefully negotiated as well as telling Ireland it just needed to re-join the UK or face economic consequences. We're almost back to where we were in population in 1845 but without our language. Those acts of ignorance really stabbed at some old wounds that had almost healed over. Educated English people know better, unfortunately not all of them are in Government. The commiserations given to Irish people on the death of The Queen hit a nerve for some people but relatively few, thankfully. We want to be over it for obvious reasons, it's part of who we are and we're not ashamed of the struggle and suffering but we don't want that to define us, anymore than you do. Just please don't tell us it didn't happen or that you'd be happier if we didn't mention it. Not your call. We have a shared history. It's a history we survived and are stronger for just don't tell us we have to grateful for England's role in it. That's annoying. Last edit. Thank you for bringing this up and sorry for the rant. It is uncomfortable and I appreciate you going there.
@@falcon_uk As i said above you mixed up republicans with loyalists.Loyalists are harder edge Unionists and vehemently opposed to an united ireland.Its nationalists and republicans who want UI and republicans are a harder edge nationalists
Not in McLeans living history though, so his hatred was bred into him. Just like he was doing when he posted that picture of him "Teaching" his kids whilst wearing a terrorists balaclava.
If my gran or great gran played a part in killing 2 million and driving another million out of the country I reckon I’d probably apologise for it if it hadn’t been done yet
You're the first person to state correctly that 2 million people died in the fammin years not this convenient 1 million that rolls of the tung. Well done to you.
@darrencoyle2589 the English slaves you took from England when you raided the island. The Normans didn't force you to outlaw slavery until the 1100s. The English had settled since the 5th. You didn't just enslave the Britons you enslaved anything that moved.
I'm an American. But I don't remember my Irish aunts in America hating the queen. Actually it was the opposite. They adorned Queen Elizabeth. But they did not like the British government.
Sooo much has happened under QE2’s reign, your lifetime and continues under the reign of Charles. Criminals acting on behalf of the British state being given immunity in the House of Commons in the last number of weeks. The Guildford 4, the Birmingham 6, Bloody Sunday 1969 (British soldiers opening fire on a human rights March in Derry, effectively starting the troubles). All happened under QE2s reign.
The thing about apologies isn't about being defensive "I wasn't there!" It's about SEEING how you (or your people) still enjoy benefits from that past and how the descendants of the harmed end of things might not be as advanced as you (or your people). You say yourself they did a lot of hard work mending themselves economically... RECENTLY. Imagine if they never had to do that while watching your country sit fat and happy... as you are now existing in it enjoying the fat happiness? That's what the apology is for. 👍
Thank you for your comment. It's true what you say here. I personally never thought of it that way or realised I'd even gained anything, but I can see now that I guess we all have in the UK. Something I also thought about recently was just how many UK museums have exhibits that England took (let's face it without asking or compensating) and still have. It's quick shocking. If it makes them feel any better, England is going down quite a bit at the moment with Brexit and other issues. Personally, I am starting to changing my mind on some of the things I've said, thanks in a lot of part to comments like yours. So thank you for taking the time to right and sharing this.
@@falcon_uk It's great to see how Europeans can come to peace with the present and engage in healthy debates on topics that have marred generations in several countries. The same cannot be said about South Asians though. People still cling onto their past remorses and want to beat each other to a pulp over issues which have zero relevance in the present.
@@falcon_uk What you have to remember with History is that most countries in the world have at some point invaded or taken over other countries, the first Empires in the world where in Africa and the Middle East, the UK/Britain was invaded many times by Romans, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Vikings, Normans(Norsemen from France) the Irish sent soldiers to fight with the Vikings at the Battle of Brunanburh 937AD in England trying to stop England from being born (along with some Scots and other Vikings) and Ireland was made up of small kingdoms one of which invited the Normans over to help him defeat his enemies. During the Viking era Dublin had the largest slave market in Europe even the Patron saint of Ireland was a slave taken from the UK. So when people talk about returning stuff or reparations etc what is the starting point? and does it cover all history or just the bits that suit a particular point of view?
I came on to school ya but I should have known that plenty have already. Lizzy, The Lord Have Mercy on her soul was very much alive and kicking when bloody Sunday happened, she commended the psychopath soldiers who massacred Irish Catholics. That's only one incident that she personally done. I always find it hard to believe that english people have no idea of the atrocities that happened here, we learned english history in school. Especially now in this age of information. Food was shipped out of Ireland 4 times a day from every port across the country, documents we discovered in London that showed the quantity exported. It was not a famine it was an attempt to deliberately exterminate us. To add insult to injury protestants offered half dead Irish people soup if they denounced their Catholic faith. Our beautiful language was illegal to speak, punishable by death as well as our Catholic faith. This is only the tip of the iceberg of what was done here. I applaud your honesty about not knowing much about Irish history, most wouldn't admit that.
As an irishman I think it's unfair to say that the Irish were happy that the Queen died. What I would say is it would be a matter of supreme indifference to many . Attitudes to the queen did soften after her visit in 2011 and obviously relations had improved between our 2 nations subsequently. The fallout from Brexit has affected the relationship in a negative way too but I'm sure that will rectify itself in due course.
One huge problem with brexit was that the people of England did not care about the massive problems it would cause Ireland, thus showing the same indifference of the English mindset as existed during the fammin, so have attitudes really changed at all, I don't think so.
I am Irish and i have to say that I was saddened at the death of Queen Elizabeth 11.not many people would have had the stamina and fortitude to carry out the promise at her coronation to serve as Queen till the end of her days
Here's a mad stat. Ireland's population pre famine was 8 Million. In all the years since the famine, we've only reached 5 million currently. This is down to the English occupation. Bit of a bonkers stat when you think about it. Then you have Ulster which WAS part of Ireland, but because the Scottish planters retreated there, and became unionists it's part of the UK.
If you are comparing the pre famine population of Ireland with the modern day population of Ireland, you must include the north of Ireland population too. Its not that difficult to remember that Ireland was partitioned 70 years after the famine, surely.
I’m Irish and it’s interesting how she refers to Britain as “England” sorry guys it’s the United Kingdom unless you have been all over the uk including Scotland and wales and spoke to everyone there how can we assume everyone in England is considered British?….. many Scot’s and welsh too consider themselves “British”
ive met many welsh and scots over the years who consider themselves british first and welsh and scots after like ive met many english who consider themselves english - british all depends having lived all over the uk ive met many ppl from all three nations all with different opinions and attributes...
Interesting comments. I've been all over the UK as well, and found both of you right. Last time I was in Scotland (Oban) was before the Scottish Independence vote. The people I spoke to about it (because I found it really interesting) were 50:50. Literally split down the middle. You couldn't call it. I was really shocked when Scotland decided to stay in the UK. Personally, I would have had a second referendum. I'd love all of us to get along and work closely as friends, but I can see more and more as I learn about history (trying to be more unbiased) that England does have a lot to make up for, so I can understand why people would want to leave.
The unionists and the loyalists are the same people. They are loyal to the crown and want to maintain their union with the UK. The nationalists are the ones who want a united Ireland.
We should have been taught a lot. The schools I was taught in had huge gaps when it came to history. Something I am learning a lot more in recent months.
The Irish have no reason to hate the queen or the English at all. Their country has been independent for over 70 years. Their generation have no grievance against the contemporary generation. I wish English people would stop this self-flagellation.
Only part of the country has been independent that long. Im pretty sure the troubles in Northern Ireland only ended in 1999 and its still occupied by the British.
Believe me, you'd be REALLY shocked! I only learnt about WW2 in school. Nothing about anything else. It's really bad! I've learnt so much from people's comments. It's definitely made me think twice and want to read up on it more.
All countries are selective about what parts of history they teach their children. For instance do Irish teachers tell their classes about how the Irish imposed the Gaelic culture and language upon the Pictish Scots by violence and politics?
@@michaelcaffery5038 There is zero evidence that Gaelic culture was brought to the Picts by violence. In fact the evidence is the reverse. What we do have is the Irish Christian missionary Columba (521-597) and his twelve companions settling on Iona. Part of the Gaelic kingdom of Dalriada. Where he and his followers converted the pagan Picts in the north and east of Pictland to Christianity. That's why the Picts so readily intermarried with the Irish to create the Scots. This massive Irish contribution to Scotland and northern England is not taught to British schoolchildren. And neither is the death and destruction wrought on Ireland by the English/British Empire.
@michaelcaffery5038 Yes, history is a core (mandatory) subject, where we learn Irish, UK & European history from the Middle ages (primary school) through to modern history & politics (secondary). I believe the curriculum now also includes USA & Asia as a secondary optional.
To clarify, Loyalists and Unionists are one and the same, ie pro United Kingdom; on the opposite side are Nationalists ( those wanting an All Ireland reunification)... therefore never call Sinn Fein Unionists!
she was generalising....meaning The Gentry, the landowners who were mostly in England, absent, and raking in profits.....the reference to potatoes- she means other food stuffs such as cattle, pigs etc also- of which there was enough to feed twice the population of Ireland. Also....there is no real figure which tells the true figures of deaths due to mismanaged census figures ( see more like 10 million plus - and not the figure of 8 million) to which all the figures of those who died enroute to other countries ,on the coffin ships, and at foreign ports is never added.
I'm a Brit (and proud of it). I have no beef with the Irish. One ladies UA-cam video (pro British or not), it's simply a UA-cam vloggers opinion that is not representative of the thoughts / feelings of an entire nation.
If you want to know more about the famine there's a channel called Extra history that breaks it down quite well over five or six episodes or a single video on the subject by the Gravel institute
Duane it was not a famine it was an organised genocide by the English. One crop failed the potato all other crops and livestock continued to be shipped to England over the dead and dying bodies of Irish men women and children so definitely genocide
I lived in London in the late 80's during the height of the IRA war against the people who would kill to stay in our country and I had a great time and met some lovely people and whenever I'm in London I go back to the pub I worked in in Fulham and visit, last time I was surprised that some people still knew me by name so many years later. I have also lived in Australia and the Irish and English always gravitate towards each other and associate in the same circles as we have more in common than most cultures.
Interesting observations. I can only talk from the English perspective, but I have to say, it's very common for all nationalities to group together, especially in large cities. Take the London that you mentioned for example; there are HUGE sections of London where one race is far higher in population because they congregated together. From the Jews of Golders Green to the Irish of Ealing. Southwark has the highest population of Black Africans and Southwark the highest black Caribbeans. Harrow for example has the highest Indian population group in London. People generally conform or move to areas where others are confirming to their own standards, lifestyles or race.
You should not expect school to inform you of everything they teach you how to learn. You should then be interested in the world, it’s history, it’s geography it’s people and you can throughout life read widely like I did on Irish history, learn to speak another language do a woodwork course anything to expand your knowledge school was just a start don’t blame them for any areas you don’t know
While I was taking my masters We had a long discussion about advanced degrees and the purpose of a dissertation as opposed to a thesis. To get a PhD to have to convince a committee of professors that you know how to gain all the information available in your field and how to use it. This was back in the Seventies when universities had computers but individuals didn't. The Commodore 64 wasn't sold until 1982.
Irelands population before the famine was Eight Million. We still haven't got back to that size in nearly Two Hundred years even though there has also been massive immigration!
@grainnehendrick2015 the Irish raided Britain's shores and enslaved the people for centuries after. The only reason they stopped was because the Normans invaded and forced them to stop in the 1100s.
At the time irelands population was 10 million and England was 20 million. As far as negative treatment in uk, 90% give warm and friendly welcome but there is a minority. I remember getting treated very condescendingly as being a thick ‘paddy’ by some police in London on one occasion
Lol, my Irish born and raised first cousin in London was solidly middle class, but spoke with one of the prestigious English accents, and was well educated. She was often told "You're not really Irish, you're one of us." Not appreciated in what it implied by what it meant to be Irish.. BTW, she married a continental close cousin of the Queen. He inherited no money, confiscated by Nazis and Soviets, but earned a good Cambridge degree. Technically she was entitled to style herself a Countess, but she and her husband found titles ridiculous and he never used his titlles. ... BTW, I think yiou sed Unionists to mean NI Republicans, Those in NI who favor rejoining NI to Ireland are calleed Republicans or Nationalists. Unionists and Loyalists are the same group.
10:19 Preface: I love England. I lived 4.5yrs as a child in Suffolk. My father's paternal ancestors are English. But I'm grateful she said this because the English can have (can, not absolutely does all the time) CAN come off as hateful. Extremely. I've never heard a real English person (as opposed to fictional comedy characters) make American jokes and it come off as harmless banter. It's usually scathing and not really joking at all. Although what Diane is talking about is more about the social cachet that comes from familiarity rather than judgmental intent from strangers. But without familiarity one may mistake it for judgmental intent. Quick story. When Christopher Hitchens died, I came across a Brit in YT comments who had very unkind words for Americans. Called us all sorts with eff bombs and straight up nasty name calling. I replied that was pretty harsh to which he got worse, emboldened by catching an American on his line. He added Americans are completely blankety-blank and can never hope to be as smart as anyone English let alone Christopher Hitchens. To which I said, what's that say about Christopher Hitchens, then, if he willingly chose to be one of us? . Vaporized. I never saw him again. 😂 Anyway back when GW Bush was preside t I used to he accused of being a gun toting redneck a lot. Xenophobia... that's what the Irish don't like about the jokes from the English I suspect.
ps. Huge fan of Diane's. Been subbed for about over a year now and that's probably why your video popped up in my reccs. She's great! Nice choice of channel to react to.
I've only seen the one video, but she defo comes across very well. She was well presented and to me had a good style. It was good to hear her point of view. Perhaps I will check out some of her other content in time. I tried a reaction video, I got mixed results. Still not sure what to do on my channel. I think one of the harder things is dealing with negative feedback or comments. It's quite easily to take things personally. To be honest I haven't recorded a proper video since because of it. But I think it's to be expected when you put yourself out there. Who knows what the future holds. I've never been to Suffolk I don't think. I think you're right. I hear hateful things sometimes. It's weird because hate is just a toxic and a waste of time. I try not to hate anyone. I guess I find it interesting so many people hate my country. But then as I am learning, the history we're taught seems to cherry pick facts that make England look positive. I suppose that's to be expected. I just wouldn't mind looking for ways for people to work together, and I got passionate because I see so many ways in which England did things in history (along with many other countries) and now we're seeing people talking about what should be done now to try and make up for this. (let's face it, there's a lot of making up to do!)
I believe monarchy is wrong in every way and should be abolished as soon as possible. I didn't really care one way or the other when Queen Elizabeth died, she was a nonentity for me, totally irrelevant.
I understand your point about modern people not being responsible for the sins of the ancestral past, but the country we are today, was shaped by that past, and has yet to become whole.
Totally agree with this! You're absolutely right. Well said.
I hope I see this within my lifetime (ideally soon).
@falcon_uk Q; in your experience amongst the people you know, what is their general opinion (whether informed or not) about NI being part of UK, and do they (or you) feel deep down that NI Unionists are British.
My opinion, tbf, is that the Unionists patriotism for Britain is not a reciprocal deal. It seems it must be strange to hear the Norn Iron accent, and it saying they're one and the same with mainland Britons.
Unionist loyalty to Britain is very conditional. They wave the union jacks and proclaim themselves as British, but are very quick to turn on Britain should the not get their own way. Unionist is in the whole, a very negative thing.
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@@DerekTJ Hi DerekTJ.
Good question. To be honest, none of them have ever spoken of Ireland or Northern Ireland to me at all. Not even once.
I feel that with Brexit, and other things recently there should be another vote in Northern Ireland about whether to stay a part of the UK or leave.
I have no issue with Michelle O'Neill or others calling for independence. The dynamics are changing within the population and clearly with the Northern Irish assembly.
I feel it's a numbers game now. If more people want to leave, then it should happen and Ireland unite. I would love to see it in my lifetime.
I am shocked the UK is still together to be honest. If the SNP hadn't had issues, they would be making serious plans to leave.
I agree. I don't think the UK has done enough for Northern Ireland at all. If I was living in Northern Ireland, I would vote to leave the UK. It might be the size of the population being smaller perhaps. England has 84.3% of the population of the UK, and I feel sometimes it dominates. Clearly the Brexit vote demonstrated this.
Devolution is helping, but sometimes it moves slowly. Northern Ireland has 2.8% of the population of the UK, but it shouldn't have 2.8% of the voice in political matters.
I wish no matter what happens for peace, understanding and all the countries to do well for the future.
@@aengusryan5948 Interesting observations. There's a lot of debate now about even nationalism being a negative/bad thing.
CORRECTION: Unionists and loyalists want to remain part of the UK.
Nationalists and Republicans want a united Ireland
Exactly what I was going to say
@Dibley8899 they call your type traitors
You should do a video about the British occupation of the north of Ireland
I’m British but it isn’t hard to see why the Irish should have a hate for all things English. Imagine if long ago an army arrived and killed your leaders, burned your home, pushed you around, made you speak a foreign language, gave away your best land and forced you on to poor quality land where you then depended on the potato to survive only to find when the crop failed you either starved to death, or left your country forever never to see your loved ones again. All the time you are ridiculed and made to fight their wars and do the dirty jobs would you have very much love for any trappings of their domination over you. Maybe not!
In case you haven't noticed it's 2023 now and there's plenty of spuds in the shops.
All truth.
Knowledge is a journey. The past should be learned from, but ideally (and I say that knowing its not easy) not lived in.
@@stanleywoodison8699 your empathy is comforting
Not even all that long ago. My mother's friend was shot dead aged 14 by british soldiers walking home from school
@Dibley8899oh you where there during it, please enlightened one pass on your knowledge.
The Irish dont hate the Queen, or the King either. We do have issues with being under Colonial rule for 700 years but we have our sovereignty for over 100 years now and have prospered accordingly to become one of the richest Countries in the World
Our wildlife was destroyed and we were never given any reparations, and the uk still holds on to our northern quarter. We are not rich, only as rich as uk and the rest is tax fraud. Ireland will never be what it could have been.
That's not strictly true is it? EU handouts from the 1970s onwards, bailed out financially by UK in 2009, and now the "Leprechaun Economy" where laundering US corporations' tax affairs artificially inflates GDP per capita.
You do realise there are Irish here in the north and we haven't had our sovereignty for the last 100 years.
And there is plenty of reason to hate the Queen. For a start she gave medals to many of the soldiers that served here during the troubles including the ones involved in bloody sunday.
What actually happened was that much of Ireland 's best agricultural land was owned by absentee landlords living in England, who were exporting all the grain for their own profit, leaving the Irish completely dependent on the potato which could be grown on poor soil. Hence the Irish were left vulnerable to the failure of the potato crop. It's also worth remembering that Ireland, albeit against the will of its people, was actually under British rule which means that the United Kingdom was as responsible for the welfare of Irish people as they were for the populations of Scotland, Wales and indeed England.
All true.
Yes and this was on the back of endless years of oppression. The monarchy are still held responsible in a way because the oppression of the Irish is seem to have been perpetuated ever since in the North. As for ordinary English people, there is generally no beef. Though Irish people can get irritated with those who try to whitewash the history. And you'd be surprised how often we got lectured on how the famine was our own fault, etc.
@@S-uuuuwell said. Few of them in the comments here.
True but people forget all the poor of uk then which included ireland were hungry.many Scots n german historians have written on how sad people were to not be able to help more living themselves on one bowl weak water broth a day
Sir Charles Edward Trevelyan, 1st Baronet, KCB (2 April 1807 - 19 June 1886) was a British civil servant and colonial administrator.
Today Trevelyan is mostly remembered for his reluctance to disburse direct government food and monetary aid to the Irish during the famine due to his strong belief in laissez-faire economics. He also wrote highly disparaging remarks about the Irish in a letter to an Irish peer, stating that "the judgement of God sent the calamity to teach the Irish a lesson". Trevelyan's defenders say that larger factors than his own acts and beliefs were more central to the problem of the famine and its high mortality.
Meanwhile, in Ireland a million people starved to death, as the Irish watched with increasing fury as boatloads of homegrown oats and grain departed on schedule from their shores for shipment to England. Food riots erupted in ports such as Youghal, near Cork, where people tried unsuccessfully to confiscate a boatload of oats. At Dungarvan, in County Waterford, British troops were pelted with stones as they shot into the crowd, killing at least two people and wounding several others. British naval escorts were then provided for the riverboats.
The Queen was still in power when Thatcher interned people without trial in Northern Ireland causing the Hunger Strike, and in power during Bloody Sunday.
The geezer was a c*** with relatives still in the corridors of power.
The Trevelyan family owned more than 1000 slaves in Grenada (despite never setting foot there themselves) and received the equivalent of £3.5 million compensation when slavery was abolished.
If there is a hell, I hope Trevelyan resides there forever
Internment was for all that were a perceived threat to safety of the ppl of this country and any other. It was never nice to be a Japanese American. Terrorism means at war
I find it odd that given how deep the history of Britain is and all that went with it that the school curriculum did not teach your generation anything about the past with regards to England/Ireland relations. After typing that first line I quickly realise that that Has to be done on purpose, there's no way they just forgot to pop that bit of history in :)
I can only say the truth from my own knowledge and experience.
They really didn't. I studied history at both school and degree level, and it was never mentioned.
This was in 1997-2002 for uni. So it's not even that old. But... i've noticed the gaps in other areas.
For example they teach things we won, but omit the oppression or things we lost.
I think it'll change now. Nationalism is far lower in the younger generations and the school systems tend to move further left wing, plus there's a lot more discussion on this type of thing especially by the huge surge of anti monarchists.
But I learnt from people like you, and then I look further into it and realise.
Anyone who wants to read about Irish history can just google it. I was never taught Irish history at school but have read all about it since then. It s easy to do.
@@falcon_ukyou’re so disingenuous. Schools don’t teach the positives either. Children are brought up thinking that we contributed nothing to the world, when in fact we gave the most, and led the fight to end slavery.
I’m British born of Irish parents. I grew up in the north of England in the 60/70’s. I have now lived in Ireland for 25yrs. My experience of the Irish are a very proud people, they haven’t forgotten the 800 hundred yrs of oppression of the Irish by the British authorities. The Irish have grown up with knowledge pasted on from their parents and grandparents of first hand experiences of what the English did in Ireland from Cromwell to the Great Hunger to the Troubles.
I agree you or I are not responsible for what happened yrs ago but it is important to remember the victims. Peace ☮️
Well said. Interesting view point and comments. Thank you.
Part of what makes Irish people annoyed is just what you said, English education system does not cover the horrors of the British Empire. That you could reach your age and not know your countries history is sad.
@@marytansey1771 it is truly sad and worrying too.
Only potatoes failed. All the other crops were exported rather than feed the starving. Yes it happened
Rubbish.. plenty could afford trip to USA when 2023 still expensive.
At the time English farm workers were living like lords and having more food than they knew what to do with. In fact they were only slightly better of than the Irish.
@@stanleywoodison8699 talking rubbish Europe and all UK were in same famine
@@joprocter4573 Can't you take a joke for Christ's sake ?
@@stanleywoodison8699. Irrelevant.. you were a colonial power subjugating a native people. All else is pure Ballocks.
The Elizabethan, Cromwellian and Victorian genocides in Ireland may have something to do with the dislike for the Crown. Ireland should have a population of between 25,000,000 to 35,000,000 today but it doesn't because of Britain's inactions during the Irish famine genocide. The British Civil Servant responsible for keeping the Irish alive said ''The real evil with which we have to contend is not the physical evil of the Famine but the moral evil of the selfish, perverse and turbulent character of the (Irish) people.” - Charles Trevelyan, December 1846. “For our parts, we regard the potato blight as a blessing.
Really?? That's quite a huge difference! :(
Thank you for your comments.
@@falcon_uk It’s why Irish supporters always sing the Field’s of Athenry. A song about the Famine and resistance to the Crown.
That's not "inaction" as you said there was action taken to assist the death rate.
Plant enough good crops and the weed's (Irish)will fade away.
Lord zTrevalyn who over saw the treatment of the Irish quoted that the Irish deaths was a judgement from God to teach the Irish a lesson’ He was knighted by Queen Victoria.
Trevelyan was a horse’s arse.
One parliamentarian openly said the British-assisted famine was a good form of ‘population control’.
I’m pretty sure he became a peer before the iris potato blight. I mean he wouldn’t have been to control the incessant westerly Atlantic trade winds which caused a cold snap thus blighting the potato crop. I say this because potatoes of many varieties grow perfectly well everywhere in the British isles and around the world..
@Stand663 I'm fairly sure the potato blight started in Mexico and spread to Ireland via Europe. However, in other countries the loss of life wasn't quite as devastating as in Ireland as they weren't forced to export (often under British military guard) all other food to another country. Shipping dockets exist to this day showing all the food which was shipped to England. There was more than enough food being produced in Ireland to feed the population. The native Irish were removed from fertile land to the poorest land and had to grow the Lumper variety of potato, as it could grow well in poor, stony ground. If they had been able to grow other varieties of potato, there would at least been some food. When they couldn't pay rent, the English landlords evicted them and burned or demolished their homes. Also, starving people (men, women and children) were forced to work on road building and other public works if they wanted to benefit from the soup kitchen. Many of these roads led nowhere. They were simply meant to teach the Irish that you don't get anything for nothing.
@@Stand663I agree that Trevelyan couldn't have controlled the weather. But I would urge you to do a little research on Charles Trevelyan and consider his actions, attitude and disdain for starving fellow human beings during the so called "famine".
The queen's visit to Ireland was a big success. It was welcomed as one way to get over Irish Civil War politics. The sides of the Civil War (1922) had been dominating Irish politics ever since until events like entry into the EU, modernization, and the Queen's visit.
I gained much respect for the Queen when she visited the Rep of Ireland and then again the North. Dropped a lot of bitterness when she acknowledged mistakes of a tough past. And then shook hands with McGuinness... if those two could shake hands for the sake of future generations, then it's time to move forward in peace. And when she was in Dublin, I really, proudly saw Ireland as a mature and dignified nation that no longer needed to hold grudges... Once colonised & coloniser but now meeting with respect as equals.
@@gregbrogan9061 I agree with most of what she said but she should have apologised for what Ireland has been put through. The best she could say was we had a regrettable history. Not good enough.
@@briankelleher2156 - I totally get your perspective and those thoughts went thru my mind too... but then I thought, if the Queen slit her wrists right there and bled out as an apology to Ireland, would that be enough? And frankly, NO! There is nothing that makes their cruelty in our history forgivable. But I want to forgive and move forward and I believe that also shows the maturity, dignity, strength and humanity of Ireland - to prosper and succeed, remembering but moving past our colonial past, not being emotionally burdened by the knowledge of their inhumanity. And rather to have our own humanity despite not having been shown such in our history. To me, that says 'Ireland is indeed greater than the UK". To no longer need to be recognised as the victim - to have fully healed and to be stepping forward powerfully into our own bright future - which we control - where our painful past with the UK is irrelevant... The Queen said our past is "regrettable" - OK, she regrets it - she knows they were cruel/barbaric and as the Queen she must pick her words carefully... Now let Ireland be the greater nation - never forget - let it even motivate - but stand tall and proud. The UK tried to break us, they never could - and now, "don't let them live rent free in our heads".
@@gregbrogan9061 I would totally agree with you but if I may quote Edelle “for me it isn’t over”. It will never be over until we get our country back united. If the Germans occupied 20 per cent of Britain to this day you would never accept it. You would stop at nothing to get them out. The violence would be brutal. Why does Britain think we will accept it?
@@briankelleher2156 - Absolutely, but now there is a path to peaceful reunification. The better the ROI is, the less bitter and more welcoming, the sooner the 6 counties of the north will join the Republic. A United Ireland can't be the end game alone, it has to be peaceful and successful so that we don't just trade one issue for another. The Proclamation stands against the "differences carefully fostered by an alien Government" and a United Ireland must do the same. As Bobby Sands said "Our revenge will be the laughter of our children" - no need for hostility as it only breeds hostility in return.
During the time of the "Great Hunger", as it's known in Ireland, the British government were responsible for 1 million people dying in three ways. First they gave too little, not realising the extent of the problem since millions of Irish were entirely dependent on the potato and not much else. Then the British government decided on a laissez faire approach ie, the market would decide how to approach the economic problem. As a resul,t Queen Victoria cut back on money that was earmarked to help. Charles Trevelyan is seen as the villain in Ireland, due to his disparaging remarks on how the Irish deserved what they got. The second response was to export food out of Ireland to continue as before the famine. Again the " market" was the excuse. When groups of Irish people tried to stop the traffic of food out of the country, they were shot. Finally the British government imported Indian meal , which without facilities, the Irish could not cook or eat. There were religious groups who set up food kitchens, notably the huguenots and quakers and some landlords treated their tenants well. But the devastation was horrendous. All Irish people know this and while we don't blame the present British people, we don't forget.
"The problem is the English can’t remember history, while the Irish can't forget it" - Oscar Wilde
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unfortunately, the English are not made aware of their own history, IMO
Trust an English protestant to say something like that.
What history ?
@@Stand663 a comment like that can only come from the truly ignorant..........
I never noticed that Irish people were glad the Queen died. Given her very advanced age and inevitably imminent death, it would be a pretty pointless exercise.
I'd say the average Irish person was indifferent really. I wouldn't go by what a bunch of football fans are chanting, that's a pretty low barometer. I don't know anyone in Ireland that wished an elderly woman any ill will (apart from maybe Maggie Thatcher, we hated her)
The Queen visit Ireland in 2011 and she was very welcomed, she spoke in Irish and the people loved her!
It’s what she represents.
@@pandaamachine I would suggest it is more what people may choose to project onto her.
I don't know anybody who looks down on the Irish. I am British. I was born in 1975
I'm around the same age and Irish, it's usually the older generation that don't like the Irish- I was in Turkey on a holiday and at a BBQ - when the British lady sitting beside me discovered that I was Irish she became very nasty and made a lot of derogatory comments to me about my people. I ended up having to change tables😢. A drunk British man spat in my face on another occasion for simply hearing my accent. I have a lot of very good British friends but I'm always wary of the older ones😮.
What? She sounds like a fool. I wouldn't judge English people on what some of my people are like abroad.
Even I can't stand the opinionated, loud, thuggish, drinking Brits when I'm on holiday.
I'm from Drogheda, Cromwell did terrible things here. There's a street called scarlett street here cause it's where the army men who protected the town and their families lived and when they were butchered the street was ran red with blood.
The Turkish and native Americans were very good to us historically. In drogheda the Turkish left bags of grain for the irish along the port because they were not allowed to donate as much cash as they wanted, as it was bigger than the queen's donation.
It was terrible what happened but the english are our neighbours and it's hard to jold a grudge against them, i dont think the normal folk were to blame. Generally i love the English, normally find them real friendly and good craic! The only times i ever felt like i was treated badly by an english person because i was irish, was back when the soldiers were on the border. I haven't lived up north tho. My sister has and loved it. As did her english BF.
I do wish they were taught about it in school tho
Thank you for sharing. Sorry to hear this happened.
I think they will be taught more in schools in the future. I think the older generations tend to look back on the British Empire with rose tinted glasses. I think nowadays, the younger generations are far more in tune to the how much damage the British have done over the centuries and that we should apologise for said atrocities at the very least.
Go raibh maith agat a chara
Cromwell got his arse sorted in Clonmel but he still got the Town but what he did in Drogheda was savage still hate the pricks name today.
@@djbillybopdjbillybop2817 To hell or Connaught
Some chose hell,and yet they broke the empire.
From the river 🍉☘️🕊️
@@geovanniali6060 So True.
I'm from Ireland, and I don't know any Irish person who hated Queen Elizabeth.
You don't get out much lol 😂
A lot of Irish people liked the Queen. She was hard working and dedicated her life to her work.
Ireland produced enough cows, sheep, pigs etc to feed the island twice over but it was exported to Britain. The majority of food sent to Ireland was to feed live stock instead of the Irish people.
I worked in England for 40 yrs .I lived when written in Windows NO BLACKS NO IRISH NO DOGS ALLOWED.Seen frequently in to let property especially in London.Thousands of us went over and did the jobs the English would not ever consider ie Nursing.Construction.+++.But over the years we through our hard work and integration things changed.We have always expressed our love for our country which saw us through the bad times.I never hated the English but I hated Bigots. I am back home now but happy memories of my Time in England.
What? People actually put that in a window?
I've NEVER ever seen anything like that ever. That's shocking.
Thankfully I've not come across any bigots like that.
I know 3 English nurses, but more than that in construction. Perhaps in London there weren't as many?
England is a mess though, there's no denying that.
Anyway, thank you for your comments. Was nice to hear your views.
Yes this is factual the No Blacks No Irish No Dogs is true in the UK ,the US and Australia it was a thing, I have a page from a Belfast News Letter newspaper dated from 1927 ,it stated in every add on the employment wanted page,No Catholics Wanted,some I might add did have No Jews added, in the main is said RC need not apply, then you would wonder why The Provisional IRA came about
Thank you for doing the jobs we English wouldn't do.Without you we'd be living in daub and wattle hovels and treating our sick with potions from the local witch .We English never ever oicked up a shovel or nursed the sick.Mind you we had to do a bit when the paddys rushed home in 39,never understood why .
@@stanleywoodison8699 I don't know where you got the idea that there was a mass exodus of Irish from England in 1939, it was quite the reverse. In fact over 200,000 Irish people went to England between '39 and '45 to either join up or work in the munitions factories.
In 1847 alone the brits shipped out 4000 ships of food to england while 1 million irish starved to death. The English parliment seen it as an "act of god to wipe out the irish". The turkish king at the time wantes to send a large amount of miney to help the irish but the queen of england stopped it from coming so the turks had to send it in secret. Ye wouldnt be tought this in school, it dosnt look great afrom a monarch perspective looking back
Nope. it really doesn't! I wasn't taught this at all. But I am looking at al the England Monarchs lately funnily enough, but I've not got into the 1800s yet. But I'll have a look into this. Thank you.
@@falcon_ukLook into how the rest of the UK suffered just as much while you are at it. But I guess we learned how to catch fish and grow other things quicker. While your at it, look at the figures for those who left each island for far off shores around the time. They call it the "Irish Famine" it didn't just effect Ireland.
@@WeAreThePeople1690 The potato blight started in the Isle of Wight and quickly spread across England and into Ireland so yes the harvest's failed in England and across Europe, however the potato was the staple diet of the Irish peasantry, they had nothing else so the UK did not suffer from a famine or as it was called in Ireland 'the great hunger' because there was plenty of food around but it was all being sent to the UK. The English were not starving. All livestock and rivers were owned by English and Anglo Irish Landlords and if a native Irish person was caught trying to fish or snare a rabbit, well that was called poaching and was punishable by several months in prison. For those living on the coast...yes sea fishing was an option.....if you had a boat and rods/nets. Anyone who had fishing equipment would have had to sell it to buy food little knowing that the blight was going to last as long as it did as for growing other 'things' what would you suggest? the worst affected people were the poorest of the poor they had only a tiny patch of land about the size of an average front garden to grow anything and these were the 'lucky' ones, many others were itinerant laborer's who had nothing. They couldn't pop down to the local Garden Centre and buy a packet of carrot seeds and wait for them to grow could they? The truth is that the Irish poor ate everything they could. They trapped every animal that could be caught, they ate every plant and leaf that could be eaten - worse, some tried to eat grass. So your snide little comment about fishing and growing other things just displays your ignorance of the subject.
@grimreaper1266 Does it really? So your saying the whole of Europe was starving? Do you think they all blame the big bad English too?
@WeAreThePeople1690 UK badly suffered from blight too but not anything like the level Irish suffered. We were additionally shot if we fished. And shiploads of food was hauled out of Ireland at gunpoint to feed the English ppl and herds, while Irish ppl starved to death. Irish ppl suffered immensely more.
The Irish do not hate the Queen.
Speak for yourself
True there are many Irish people loved the The Queen who earned World wide respect for the person she was.
Not the Queen, she seems like a nice enough old lady. But the history of the British establishment ( not the vast majority of people) I'd vile for most of Irish history from deporting food out of the country during the fammine to driving the army into a football stadium to machine gun the stands. And everything in-between
I don’t hate the queen . Why would I? I kind of liked her actually .
Don’t tar us all with an ugly image .
The Irish don't think anything. They don't operate with a hive mind!
Hate someone you have never met for things you never experienced
Sadly that potentially can happen when someone is subservient to their narrative ie their "thinking"
Nobody is happy the Queen passed away. The monarchy stood for British Rule in the past but most reasonable Irish people do not take it out on the current British Royal Family. Queen Elizabeth I I was an amazing person. It still hurts that the 6counties (Northern Ireland) belong to the UK still. However going to war over it isn't an option. Peace between nations is what we all want.
I would say in regards to your idea that lizzy doesn’t have to apologise for what her country had done in the era of Victoria, I would politely like to disagree….. the reason being it was elitists by birth-rite and superiority that was bred into the people that allowed the past atrocities to be inflicted on the Irish population. They viewed them selves as superior than the poor Irish hag and beggar. That same system of superiority and Elitist birth-rite is what gives her position that she was in… she was also the vessel in which does and has represented a 1000 year old dynasty that fucked over Irish ppl for over 800 years. Thus that resentment is to be expected by a ppl that suffered greatly. And this is coming from someone who is unionist. Like acknowledging wrongs is part of the processes.
Thank you for your reply.
Do you think it should just be an apology? or should there be reparations as well?
My next question involves yourself.
If we were to go through history, and through your own family history, and find out you were linked to say a past familial member who committed a crime, would you apologise? Would you pay reparations?
Or should you be exempt because you are not a figurehead? not an elite whom is in their position by birth right?
This is the emotional position I was coming from in my video, with my British bias being British. There are times however when I do question it from the other side. On the day i made the video however, I was not impartial.
It's something I take onboard for the future.
@@falcon_uk I actually have experience as someone from Northern Ireland in which violent crimes have happened both to my family and friends as well as committed by my family . So I guess I have a unique perspective on things like apologizes and reparations….. in regards to reparations I don’t actually think Irish people have ever actually wanted something like that…… because money isn’t going to fix the 800 years of trauma violence and discrimination …… as is the case with acts of violence enacted on my family and by my family neither party wanted money, because it’s not about money.
Firstly yes I’m of the opinion that an apology isnt necessarily owed by individuals by actions of their family however it still means a lot if they do apologise even tho it wasnt them it still feels genuine well I suppose depending on the apology. I have apologized for past actions of people and is common when you feel responsibility for another person which often occurs..
Secondly as said before the Queen was a figure head and representative of an institution and nation the same institution and nation that enslaved, beaten, starved and murdered Irish men women and children for over 800 years.
While one apology is okay if having the full knowledge and understanding of what you are actually apologizing for, more could/ should have been said on multiple of multiple of occasions. Plus English learn very little about what they did to others countries including Ireland. And truthfully most if not least even if there is no apology what most Irish people want is people to know and understand what the land and people have gone through at the hands of the British.
This is coming from a unionist Protestant that happily wants Northern Ireland to stay in the uk might I add….. an axe won’t remember each of the trees it cut down but the tree will . All the tree wishes is that the axe acknowledges it cut it down and hacked it up and wants it remember that .
Reparations? No, absolutely not. I'm Irish and would have no wish for any reparations. An apology is only right and just. People should know their history and be sorry for injustices done in their name and make no mistake, the sins of the past were done in the name of British people, past and present, to make their own children's futures better, off the back of others. But there's no way I would expect anybody alive today (who never had anything to do with the past) to have to pay some money to me (who never suffered as my ancestors did).
@@f.dmcintyre4666 Well I would say why doesn’t Ireland just assimilate to Britain? Now you see how ridiculous what you said sounds. It’s not a simple bump and there we go, it would affect thousands of ppls jobs, way of life and futures, not to mention the violence that will likely arise, employee’s in the NHS both in Northern Ireland and in mainland Britain , then theirs the issue with schooling as many professional degrees do not translate fully into each other’s such as law, then you have schooling in general which is actually quite different. The Good Friday agreement was put in place so as to keep the peace and that’s what it’s been doing so I don’t think anyone would like to destabilize our region. Also it’s also a known fact the housing crisis down south so I guess what I’m trying to say is that it isn’t plausible or practical to do this when so many people’s livelihoods and way of lives would be disrupted in such serious ways.
@@lauryn2868 so why are you crying if you dont want that NI be ireland?
The Queen came to Ireland in 2011 and was well received by the vast majority of the people .She did much to undo the harm done by Margaret Thatcher to Anglo- Irish relations.The Queen was a person of great ntelligence and carried herself well and was repected for this in Ireland and rightfully so .
Elizabeth II was a woman in her mid eighties when she visited her nearest neighbours for the one and only time in her life, during that lifetime she visited e.g., Canada 27 times. Now some may say that Elizabeth II did what the Government of the day instructed her to do, that's correct to a point, but she and other members of the royal family were able to carry out private visits if they so desired, they obviously didn't desire to have this level of contact with the neighbours whom they had just finished torturing for the previous 7/8 centuries, and who could blame them I suppose, they felt they wouldn't have been welcome due to the history between them. Even while all of this was going on the Irish and British peoples did mix and meet, if you want a good example of this you should listen to the speech given by the President of Ireland/Uachtarán na hÉireann Michael D Higgins on Tuesday, 8th April 2014, in the Royal Gallery of the Palace of Westminster in London on the occasion of the first state visit by a President of Ireland to the United Kingdom. I think recordings of it can be found here on UA-cam.
That is true British Soldiers gaurded the loading of ships so the starving Irish would not
steal it.
I don't think there is any deep viscera hate of the late Queen or now King Charles as a person but the institution of the Monarchy has not been kind towards the Irish in the past when it had more say and control in British policies. It is not well loved in that regard.
Fair comments I feel.
I lived in London for 7 years in the 60’s. I never experienced racism and worked with some great guys. Only once did I see ‘no Irish’ My late wife was English and looked after my family whilst they were here in Australia .The Famine and treatment of the indigenous Irish has left a deep scar and explains a lot of bitterness and angst. The Royals did nothing to address the treatment of the Irish then and shame on them.🇮🇪🇦🇺Btw loyalists are Unionists and Protestants settled in NI
The Irish were the first slaves in the USA sent there before the black slaves by the King of England and the west indes
Wow! So the USA exploited them like the British did? I did not know this.
Thank you for sharing.
Indentured servants aren't slaves and the first indentured servants were English
Oh dear, The Irish slave myth resurfaces again !
In Northern Ireland, Unionists/loyalists on the same "side". ie. The both see themselves as British, not Irish. Loyalists are the more rabid/violent section of Unionism. Nationalists/Republicans on the other hand regard themselves as Irish. Unionists are primarily Protestant. Nationalists are primarily Catholic. The most recent census in N.I. indicated a majority of Catholics in N.I. for the 1st time since the establishment of N.I. by the British State approx. 100 years ago. By the way N.I. is not a "country" in the real sense. At best it's a Statelet, and is smaller than the province of the 9-county province of Ulster.
Ireland was part of the British isles as with Scotland and Wales. You all had representation in the Westminster parliament (where all issues are resolved democratically). There has been Irish, Scottish, Welsh prime minister’s, from conservative, liberal, and labour parties. And all religions I might add.
@@Stand663 There was never an Irish Prime Minister. N.I. Catholics were denied housing & Civil Service jobs and proportional representation in The UK's corrupt N.I. gorvernance system right up to the 1970s and 80s'....that's how bad it was. They had to have Civil Rights marches at the same time as the Blacks in America. Go educate yourself - the time of UK lies and spoofing is long over.
@@Stand663 Yes exactly.Ireland voluntary became part of the uk in 180l.Too many Irish love to do the blame game,and some peoples predudices are so entrenched that they fail to do the proper research regarding the famine.For instance,the government spent 8 million pounds(8,000,000) on famine relief.8 million pounds in 1845 would be the equivalent to billions now.Why is this never mentioned?
A statelet just means a small country. NI is statelet in the UK 🇬🇧, just as is Wales, Scotland, lsle of Man, The Channel lslands etc.
The Union flag 🇬🇧 represents all the Christian saints of the British isles.
Ps Happy St Andrews Day (belated)
Irish land was taken from the Irish. During the famine absentee landlords who were given the land exported food and grains and also evicted starving Irish who could not pay the rents.
The UK did that a lot unfortunately in those times.
So did a lot of other nations of course (England itself was invaded and land ruled by other nations many times), but that doesn't excuse the UK's conduct when looking back in today's society.
The Normans (French) invaded Ireland in 1169 after England.. Many absentee landlords were Irish ! Famines happened quite regularly in Ireland.. small country mentality at work here and in Scotland and Wales
Not all Landlords, but mostly yes.
As an American I never owned a slave, however as an American we inherited the ills and consequences of slavery. The UK and in particular its monarchy must accept responsibility for its past. We cannot know where we're going till we understand where we've been.
British stopped slavery around the world and have a lot to answer for but what country hasn't?? Time to let the past be the past specially with demographics now
@@gordonmakintosh768 Well said!
@Dibley8899 Well said!
Worth adding the British ended slavery long before the Americans, and whilst the US did were late to WW1 and 2 like you said, people forget the Americans actually charged the UK for the supplies (many of the military supplies were out of date I might add), and high interest loans for rebuilding which the Uk was still paying until 2006!!!!!
Will Ireland be holding themselves responsible for enslaving Britons for centuries? You could start by not celebrating one each year called St Patrick. You could also look into how America was built after the British left. The Irish helped clear the land of the natives and were paid by the scalp. There were also Irish slave owners the British government paid to free their slaves.
@@falcon_uk no, not well said at all. If you don't know and accept the failings of the past, there will be no hope of reconciliation in the future.
Its only 100 yrs ago .. literally my grand parents were born during the occupation.. my great grandfather fought in the independence war.. its not fresh but its not old and us irish have never entertained the notion of compensation.. but it is irksome that the English dont know what their grandfather's and great-grandfathers did to ours !
Let's not forgot England's and Wale's combined population in the 1840s was 14 million Ireland's population was 8 million.... I wonder what happened?
Perhaps they migrated to the British mainland to find work and job opportunities. It was the period of the industrial revolution after all…
@@Stand663no they mostly died. Ireland is the only country in the world whose population is less now than 1840. It’s all down to the famine and how British managed it. Many view this as a genocide attempt. Ireland’s population today would easily be 25 to 35 million if the famine had not happened.
@@murpho999 Nonsense. You’re just repeating isrish propaganda. The real truth is you were less than an hour by boat from the British mainland, where you all came to escape hunger and poverty. The ones with a bit of savings, went on British ships from Southampton to North America mainly New York. The criminals were sent to the colonies the Caribbean and Botany Bay in Australia etc. After serving your sentences and rehabilitation yous stayed on and made a new life for yourselves etc etc.
I have been asked by English people why the Irish keep on bringing up atrocities that are ancient history. Well, we don't but we keep getting reminded of them by the British Government. For example, in 1922 a convoy of Black and Tans drove into my village and opened fire on the villagers, killing three teenagers and wounding many more. They said that the villagers had opened fire first. The incident had international publicity, so the British held an inquiry, which came to a verdict. Unfortunately, the verdict was made an official secret that couldn't be revealed for 100 years. In 2022 the verdict was made public, the Black and Tans had lied about the villagers opening fire first. My village had that accusation hanging over their heads for 100 years and it brought the horror back.
Generalizations though. Yes, there are some who don't like what the monarch represents, and there are some who hold no animosity. Many Irish emigrated to the UK. I visited an uncle of mine who emigrated from Ireland when he was 16, and who worked and lived in London until he died in his 80's. Where he was living there were many ex-Pat Irish. I asked a couple of them if they'd ever consider moving back to Ireland. No! was the answer because 'The Queen and the country were good to us'
It's nice to hear a more positive story.
Thank you for sharing.
Virtually all don't like what the monarch represents. Ive never once heard an Irish person thank the queen for being good to them. Living in a country is one thing but celebrating the royals is a no-go for an irish person just as it is for many in Scotland or even the north of england.
What a stupid Question,Are the Irish happy with the Queen??🤣🤣🤣Shes not our Queen,Shes a Brit,plain and simple.
Thank you for pointing my stupidity. I hadn't realised that I said that the Queen of the United Kingdom was the Queen of Ireland? I don't recall saying that, but thank you for pointing it out.
Sour miserable gits.
The british never remember and the Irish never forget. The queen was the head of British armed forces. A lot of things happened on the island of Ireland in her name.
Truth!!!!!
The Birmingham pub bombings were one thing that happened this side of the water. Only English people maimed and murdered so never mind. They were probably involved in the potato famine.
@stanleywoodison8699 I don't understand your point? Do you think the PIRA were an arm of the republic of Irelands armed forces?
probably deeply intertwined....@@bpd1111
@stanleywoodison8699 okay I'm not sure if you suffer from some form of deficiency so how's about we leave it at that
It seems to me as a Yorkshire man that your education was badly neglected by the school you went to. I growing up in the 1960's learnt British history from the Romans to modern times, including about the involvement in Ireland, by Cromwell etc. The British as a whole both now & in the past cannot be blamed for all the bad things that may have happened, not forgetting that bad things were done on both sides as in any argument. The British have received a bad press because of the Empire, but it was no worse, & often much better, than many other empires, including the French, Spanish, Turkish, Chinese & others through time.
The 'tension' didn't increase because the UK left the EU, it was the threats the UK made to Ireland in the process of leaving, and this didn't happen "before you were born" and it shows the continuing attitude by the English in particular towards the Irish. Yes indeed the British do look down on the Irish and are well known worldwide for their misplaced superiority complex. The Queen reaches out and extends the olive branch? Maybe she should have scrapped the firm, sold off the billions in land and castles she has and given Ireland the hundreds of billions she has squirrelled away in repatriations.
Did we threaten you when we were leaving the UK? Funny, I saw the whole of our MEP's turn their backs on the EU un-elected rulers, in support of Ireland, they were all wearing of the green then..Oh and btw WE own all the estates as the Queen gifted them to the people on her Coronation..Only Balmoral, and and Sandringham are the property of the Royals..What happened to the Irish kings?
I appreciate your view and passion, but i try to never look down on anyone.
I never walked a mile in their shoes, so how can I really know the issues they've faced?
As for superiority complex, perhaps some English are like that. Nowhere near all. If they are, it's ignorance I would say.
Thank you for your comments.
They won’t pay any reps to the Irish unless you pay the Welsh first!
The majority of us Irish didn't hate the late Queen. Think of the reception she received on her state visit. We don't hate the King either. Monarchy is a different matter!
No dogs No blacks No irish, lodging house notices in Britain go figure
No houses I ever seen!
Check it out:
www.irishpost.com/life-style/infamous-no-irish-no-blacks-no-dogs-signs-may-never-have-existed-racist-xenophobic-148416
Before the race discrimination laws of the 1960s there were discriminatory signs, in particular signs saying “no coloureds”, obviously directed against people from the Caribbean and the sub-continent. That particular sign though “no blacks no dogs no Irish” is almost certainly fake, mocked up by Irish activists for an event at an Irish festival in London in the 1980s.
😅We're you around then Doubt I Was some of those notices were posted by Irish People for reasons you would not want to hear
@@johnpurcell7525 My auntie moved to England in the 50's and saw the signs. She decided to move back to Ireland.
When I lived in Cricklewood in the 1980s, there were adverts for accommodation around Cricklewood and Kilburn with text such as "Suit Irish boy" or "Irish House". You can't have it both ways.
Don't forget the late queen did suffer personally too when her uncle Lord Mountbatten was killed by an IRA bomb, so her speech was genuine.
The population of ireland in 1841 was more than it is now.
I837 census gave 8.7 million total , it is projected that by 1847 the figure had increased to 9.2million , the current total is just under 7, the lowest point was around 1900 when less than 3 million were living here.
We were exporting twice the amount of food that could have fed the starving Irish to Britain to pay our rent. England did send food to Ireland but that was to fatten cows for export to England.
It is worth remembering that the Queen was the first monarch to visit Ireland to pay her respects, extend an olive branch and publicly acknowledge the wrongs of the past, and I think that went down well.
The first welcomed to Ireland so we could extend an olive branch to her and show forgiveness to the evil actions of her family and country,
She was welcomed because she is the the first to admit all of the evils were wronged by the British.
It’s a start concerning the inhumane treatment and ignorance of the British but it’s a start.
We welcomed her because…..
We are Irish, not British,
Our nature to not to lower our standards to those who suffer from such conditions like ignorance….
She is lucky she got to experience true kindness and compassion,
As she didn’t have that upbringing I suppose,
Being British
Would you ever lower your standards to forgiveness?
And she spoke Irish. I thought in a human way it was mighty
It always amazes me that unbiased history is not taught in English schools. The comment I wasn't around then is the same as pleading ignorance and a little bit of a copout. Every Irish person was taught their history which may not have always been from school, but was passed down through the family from generation to generation, we all have stories of being punished for speaking our native tongue amoungest other atrocities (you may want to look up the notorious Black and Tans). I feel the past is the past and we need to move on but its like the old saying “Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it.”
It really isn't! History was taught poorly, certainly in the schools I was in.
But I wonder, is history really taught unbiased in many places?
I think that's perhaps slightly harsh. Imagine waking up one day, and someone telling you that a person committed crimes before you were born, and showed you prejudice and said you should pay them for what happened. That is semi how it feels to me. I'm not saying the English were saints. Clearly they weren't at all!!! and clearly they profited from other countries whilst claiming all sorts of nonsense.
History passed down through family lines sounds hugely biased, and that's not to say I doubt you; I actually don't. But I will look up Black and Tans to see if I can understand what you are saying a little more.
I apologise for all the bad my English ancestors did. I don't agree with it, and personally I love Ireland. I ALWAYS change my mind in light of new information. So I'll go and read up about what you said.
1641 massacre, which also triggered events for the next 50 odd years. Tells a different story. Is that how you welcomed people to the country? Can't get away with that nowadays, otherwise the Liffey would be awash right now! And that would be racist, right??
From my understanding German history is taught in an unbiased way that takes ownership of their horrific past. English history in relation to your empire building and what was done to the natives all over the world is truly horrific too. I just think its a healthier way forward to learn about the good and the bad for all of us and ultimately builds better relations all round. Sadly since the Good Friday agreement the lack of knowledge about Ireland has grown greatly in England and this was very evident through the debates and discussions over Brexit. For all his faults, Tony Blair developed a good understanding of the issues and history so it was a real shame to listen to politicians from all parties showing an embarrassing lack of any knowledge about the GFA and its implications regarding Brexit, with many actually stating Ireland re-joining the United Kingdom as being a plausible solution. This is obviously unpalatable for us to hear in this day and age and brings our troubled and troubling history to the forefront again. Most Irish people agree that its English ancestors and not English people today that we have difficulties with but we just wish English people were as informed about Irish history and politics as we are about English history and politics is all. I do appreciate your video though @@falcon_uk
@@falcon_uk At school I was taught Irish history, the connection to Scotland, 5th century, through Bannockburn, Elizabeth I spoke Gaelic, the Jacobite Rebellion which has links to the history of France, Netherlands, the 100 years War, the Wars of Succession, The Revolutionary War in America is part of Irish history, Napoleonic Wars, the Sepoy Rebellion in India, Boer War from the Boer side, both World Wars, and yes English history probably knew more than most English people about the Wars of the Roses, Civil War, Cromwell, all the Cromwell's Thomas and Oliver, not related,this was at national school age six to eleven and it carried on Irish people just like English people over there were not taught about the failure either, the Catholic Church, the Irish Civil War, partition, apart from that we learnt about Robert O Hara Bourke,a guy called Rourke, John Barry USN, and Billy the Kid
@@falcon_uk the biggest problem with how you were taught your nation's history is that you were taught things like 'cromwell was a hero', and to the engish this may be the case - but as an Irish person, we were taught the truth of his genocidial attempts to destroy the Irish people in the name of his king. and that is just one example of the duality of history which is taught to the conqueror vs the conquered
Go n'éirí an t-ádh leat ☘
There is a lot the British education system leaves out in regard to your history.
It really does! I'm living proof.
The amount they leave out, especially where Britain or England are the antagonists is shocking!
@@falcon_uk It's funny because the whole world knows that most of Britains history stinks. They really were the evil Star Wars empire. Besides the relationship with Ireland, which has only calmed down in recent history, modern British history has turned around a lot.
@@falcon_uk Sinn Fein (we ourselves) are the Nationalists they are the majority in the NI assembly, but the assembly is not operating as the Loyalists refuse to accept they are now a minority and refuse to participate.
Didn't happen in Queens lifetime? An aweful lot happened in Queen Elizabeth's lifetime. Hell a lot happend during her reign as Queen (1952 - 2022). For example the entire Troubles, which was 1960s-1998. Queen Elizabeth was Head of the Armed Forces when Bloody Sunday (the shooting of 26 civilians by British soldiers) occured in 1972. BBC's Panorama identified 10 unarmed civilians shot by Britain's Military Reaction Force which operated in the 70s, there were 10,600 shootings in Northern Ireland at the time, it is not possible to say for certain how many that unit was involved in, all records were destroyed.
It's not all down to Liz of course, its 800 years of terrible history, Queen Vic was monarch during the Great Famine, and King George V was monarch during the first Bloody Sunday (yep, it happend twice!).
The monarch doesn't make decisions on the armed forces the government do and did under her reign.
The monarchy as well as the British Government shipped out food from Ireland whilst the Irish died. This was not the first atrocitiy the English /British had commited against the Irish, under Oliver Cromwell 40%of the population was either killed exiled from the country.... Obviously people today are not to blame but it staggers me how ignorant we are I this country when it comes to our history not just in Ireland but everywhere where the Empire has been, from the slave trade to the deaths of over 100million people in India and so many more gruesome involvements in other parts of the world. I'm English and Its no good pretending these things never happened.....
You are a really good person. But the Irish in NI are called nationalists ....the loyalists and unionists are factions of those who want to be in the UK.
Thank you for your kind comment. First one I've had I think!!!
Apologies if I got some facts wrong. It's a very passionate subject for a lot of people, and I can see why.
Not factions minium half population.
I find it hard to reconcile how a British culture that constant celebrates and eulogises the past through Poppy-day events, military parades, Remembrance Day events, VE Day etc. etc. throughout all sections of its society and social media ....can then at the same time, when confronted with past actions....somehow can convenienty say with a straight face " Don't know what you're talking about dear. But I wasn't there. Nothing to do with me Guv.." But you have an open mind at least perhaps. Best of luck to you.
Because you look at your capsule not whole country n world how it functioned then
That is the problem with the British when confronting the history of their glorious Empire. some give you the impression they think it was a charitable organization of benevolence and others should feel proud to have been part of it but when confronted by the atrocities that were committed they always say I wasn't there but consequences continue to this day for those exploited. You can't honestly have it both ways but the British seem to insist on it some times.
It's quite logical people wouldn't celebrate the best parts of their history and ignore the worst.
No-one wants to learn the bad things I guess.
I don't think it's just a British problem.
It happens with a lot of nations.
For example my friend went to Stockholm recently, and toured a very old large stately home.
They were very proud of their history, especially in World War 2 where they remained neutral.
They talked about jews fleeing Europe to Sweden because of their neutrality.
Did they talk about the supplies and economic support they constantly sent the Nazis or that they were pro-German on a lot of things in the war? Of course not.
They focus on the positives. Which most nations tend to do.
Is it right? That's a question for history and for the people of the world to answer.
I am always amazed that this was never taught in school . Irish history goes hand in hand the english who conquered or land for over 800 years .
Yeah. Surprising isn't it. Thank you for your comment.
We didn t control Ireland for 800 years, there has been a english presence in ireland that long but we ve only controlled all of it for about 300 years
That will be why its full of Norman castles lol
It was taught in my school, in the 1960s.
it wasnt an apology that was required, it was recognition from the Brits that it happened. As the head of state of the UK she was the only one who cld do this. an English man telling us to move on. go away with yourself.
You're right.
I apologise for all the bad the English did, including the stuff I don't know about (which is a lot).
Don't move on if you don't want to. I'll try and continue learning as much as I can and correcting my opinions, and try to learn from the past, so I and hopefully everyone else can have a better future.
You do you.
The British did not take potatoes out of Ireland during the Potato failure, there were none to take. They took the grains (called corn in Britain, American corn being called maize) and the meat out of Ireland. Ireland was indeed part of the United Kingdom, with Q Victoria as Ireland's monarch. Yes, the British govt was scolded by Victoria as you say.. The govt ruled, the monarch merely reigned. The govt ruled under a belief in laissez-faire economics which held that the govt should never ever interfere with private property rights and leave everything to market forces. Almost all the land in Ireland was owned by Protestant landklords who saw themselves as British.. It was they who took the food out of Ireland to sell in British.
Liked your video lad. You have a good attitude and manner about you. I am Irish like England and English people but their will always be a little bit of anger nis about what happened . But we'll all still get along ❤
Thanks! It means a LOT to hear this!
I learnt a lot, and defo more since. If i recorded it now, I don't think I would have the same opinions to be honest. I would like to do more videos soon. Hope you stop by the channel again at some point. Thank you :)
English people - Grand. Salt of the earth 👍
English (British) state - Devil’s spawn 👎
It’s complicated. Unbelievably complicated.
Ireland was so impressed with the visit of the Queen (RIP) in 2011, the first time in I think, in 100 years. I was involved in the security planning for that visit and felt it was a privilege to do so. Her Majesty captivated the Irish people with her poise, tone, a few words in Irish, and her reverence to those Irish people who had died fighting for Irish freedom. Our two countries have a complicated and divisive history, but by moving on from the past we should be able to co-exist as partners.
I'm Irish and I certainly didn't hate the Queen. I thought she was a rock when her country was going through a lot of turmoil and discontent. I was sad when she passed away. Remember not all of us live in the past.
You'll probably find that very few 'hated' the queen. For most, myself included, it was mostly apathy. "She's not ours so I don't really care but I'm still sorry for your loss". However, your comment about "not living in the past", as though those who remember their history somehow live in the past or have hang ups about it, is both disparaging and wrong. People should remember their history. It's important and it's what defines most cultures around the world, including Irelands. As even the video points out, most British people do not know their own history or not enough of it.
Irish Being inslaved and indentured might have something to do with ill feelings
Black people are not the only people who were slaves.
In point of fact the Irish were the very first slaves of England.
@@gerardflynn7382 wrong. The Irish enslaved the English for centuries. Ireland was colonised by the Normans not the English. The English were colonised themselves. St Patrick himself was a slave taken from Britain by Irish raiders.
They were never technically put into chattel slavery like Africans shipped off to the Americas. @@gerardflynn7382
@@Englishman_and_mountainswrong the English didn't exist in the 5th century. The Irish raided wales and enslaved the Welsh fellow Gaels.
@user-wx1uv7vf5r the Irish raided Britain up until the 11th century. One of the reasons the Normans invaded Ireland was because the Irish wouldn't stop raiding and enslaving Welsh and English people, so the Normans invaded and outlawed slavery in Ireland. The Germanic tribes had settled in Britain during the Roman times long before the 5th century. They came in much larger numbers in the 5th, but they had already settled there before the 5th. There's a free history lesson for you
Hate the queen? Nonsense, the Irish have a great fondness for Germans, and since the Windsors are part of the Hanoverian House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, we do not have any problem with Britain being ruled by a German monarch.
Some of the atrocities aren't that far back like bloody Sunday in Derry 1969. 14 unarmed civilians were killed by the British army shot in tge back while running away. Mostly teenagers, the might still be alive today if it weren't for that. Although there recently was an apology, there was no consequences for those at fault. They continued whitin the British forces and eventually retired etc. Discrimination was fairly common in Northern Ireland up until the good Friday agreement in 1998. That why James McClean from Derry refuses to wear a poppy. Proceeds go to British army veterans including those who perpuetated these crime in living memory.
Wow! I didn’t know this. Thanks for sharing.
That’s horrific frankly! 🙁
Hi Owen, it's a little worse than that. The Para's were involved (perpetrated) the Ballymurphy massacre in Belfast August of 1971 (9 people died). They were then transferred to Derry in 1972 and given a similar remit (14 died out of 26 shot). That's a very high mortality rate. None of the people killed had any "military" role whatsoever. The blowback from Ballymurphy was relatively minor. The International condemnation after Bloody Sunday was massive, there was riots in Dublin and the British Embassy was burnt to the ground (my dad was there). Some of the soldiers involved were given medals. Some are still alive. That event caused a simmering insurgency to explode into a gut wrenching war that spilled over to England.
The Queen of England represents England but also the UK and has represented the UK in Northern Ireland. The Queen's dad was King in Ireland so her not being Queen in Ireland was a bit of a thing.
Just to give you a couple of numbers. The population of Ireland in 1845 was approximately 8.75 Million (the Act of Union with Great Britain was in 1801). So comparable to England at the time which was around 14.5 million. By the time the English left in 1922 there were 3.5 million Irish left in Ireland. A couple of million (your numbers are little low) died and the rest left over that timeframe. Meantime England grew hugely and benefited greatly from its Empire of which Ireland was a part. Look up Trevelyan and his comments during the Famine, but also look up the volume of food exports from Ireland to England during the depopulation of Ireland. That's a tough history to look past.
The treaty signed in 1921 forced the Irish to pay for the British army's expenses for fighting the Irish as well as requiring Irish MP's to swear allegiance (you guessed it) to the King. Partition of IReland and the creation of Northern Ireland was part of that treaty. The terms were so severe that there was a Civil war fought over signing it. Another provision of the treaty was that Irish people would continue paying the British Government for their land (which the British Government had bought from British Lords to "grant" to their tenants in Ireland). That wasn't resolved until 1938 just in time for England to ask Ireland for help in the Second World War, which was not forthcoming. However ten's of thousands of Irish born people fought at all levels in the War in British uniforms. My grandparents paid the annuities. Look up the "economic war" between Ireland and England. I'm not that old and my parents heard first hand from their parents about the suffering it caused.
Given how many Irish people immigrated to England and still do, it would be insane to "hate" English people. I'm related to them. I don't think Irish people are looking for an apology. I think happily presenting "our History" in glowing terms and focusing on the glorious parts of it without in any way acknowledging the ugly bits that affect your neighbors can appear a little boorish. The Japanese have the same problem with the Koreans.
The Monarchy represents the Empire and a long unbroken history. What does the Empire represent? Not everybody is as enthusiastic about that history or as welcoming of its representatives, which seems reasonable. Brexit really upset a lot of Irish people because of "Empire 2.0", ignoring Peace treaties hard won and carefully negotiated as well as telling Ireland it just needed to re-join the UK or face economic consequences. We're almost back to where we were in population in 1845 but without our language. Those acts of ignorance really stabbed at some old wounds that had almost healed over. Educated English people know better, unfortunately not all of them are in Government.
The commiserations given to Irish people on the death of The Queen hit a nerve for some people but relatively few, thankfully. We want to be over it for obvious reasons, it's part of who we are and we're not ashamed of the struggle and suffering but we don't want that to define us, anymore than you do. Just please don't tell us it didn't happen or that you'd be happier if we didn't mention it. Not your call. We have a shared history. It's a history we survived and are stronger for just don't tell us we have to grateful for England's role in it. That's annoying. Last edit. Thank you for bringing this up and sorry for the rant. It is uncomfortable and I appreciate you going there.
@@falcon_uk As i said above you mixed up republicans with loyalists.Loyalists are harder edge Unionists and vehemently opposed to an united ireland.Its nationalists and republicans who want UI and republicans are a harder edge nationalists
Not in McLeans living history though, so his hatred was bred into him. Just like he was doing when he posted that picture of him "Teaching" his kids whilst wearing a terrorists balaclava.
I take it you've never heard of the Birmingham pub bombings and other atrocities carried out by jolly Irismen ?
If my gran or great gran played a part in killing 2 million and driving another million out of the country I reckon I’d probably apologise for it if it hadn’t been done yet
It certainly is one to think about. Thanks for your comment.
You're the first person to state correctly that 2 million people died in the fammin years not this convenient 1 million that rolls of the tung. Well done to you.
Are you going to apologise for the centuries of enslaving English people?
@@Englishman_and_mountains what English people?
@darrencoyle2589 the English slaves you took from England when you raided the island. The Normans didn't force you to outlaw slavery until the 1100s. The English had settled since the 5th. You didn't just enslave the Britons you enslaved anything that moved.
I'm an American. But I don't remember my Irish aunts in America hating the queen. Actually it was the opposite. They adorned Queen Elizabeth. But they did not like the British government.
Thanks for your comments. Interesting check.
Check out the other comments. They do seem more on the negative and positive lean.
Sooo much has happened under QE2’s reign, your lifetime and continues under the reign of Charles. Criminals acting on behalf of the British state being given immunity in the House of Commons in the last number of weeks. The Guildford 4, the Birmingham 6, Bloody Sunday 1969 (British soldiers opening fire on a human rights March in Derry, effectively starting the troubles). All happened under QE2s reign.
Queen Elizabeth didn't reign. They aren't a monarch. The monarch under QE2 didn't govern Britain.
The thing about apologies isn't about being defensive "I wasn't there!" It's about SEEING how you (or your people) still enjoy benefits from that past and how the descendants of the harmed end of things might not be as advanced as you (or your people).
You say yourself they did a lot of
hard work mending themselves economically... RECENTLY. Imagine if they never had to do that while watching your country sit fat and happy... as you are now existing in it enjoying the fat happiness? That's what the apology is for. 👍
Thank you for your comment. It's true what you say here. I personally never thought of it that way or realised I'd even gained anything, but I can see now that I guess we all have in the UK.
Something I also thought about recently was just how many UK museums have exhibits that England took (let's face it without asking or compensating) and still have. It's quick shocking.
If it makes them feel any better, England is going down quite a bit at the moment with Brexit and other issues.
Personally, I am starting to changing my mind on some of the things I've said, thanks in a lot of part to comments like yours. So thank you for taking the time to right and sharing this.
@@falcon_uk It's great to see how Europeans can come to peace with the present and engage in healthy debates on topics that have marred generations in several countries. The same cannot be said about South Asians though. People still cling onto their past remorses and want to beat each other to a pulp over issues which have zero relevance in the present.
@@falcon_uk What you have to remember with History is that most countries in the world have at some point invaded or taken over other countries, the first Empires in the world where in Africa and the Middle East, the UK/Britain was invaded many times by Romans, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Vikings, Normans(Norsemen from France) the Irish sent soldiers to fight with the Vikings at the Battle of Brunanburh 937AD in England trying to stop England from being born (along with some Scots and other Vikings) and Ireland was made up of small kingdoms one of which invited the Normans over to help him defeat his enemies. During the Viking era Dublin had the largest slave market in Europe even the Patron saint of Ireland was a slave taken from the UK. So when people talk about returning stuff or reparations etc what is the starting point? and does it cover all history or just the bits that suit a particular point of view?
@@falcon_uk - Again... I respect your open mind and willingness to consider another perspective...
@@ianphillips9455not every country or people invaded enslaved or genocides each other mostly Europeans middle easterners And asians
I came on to school ya but I should have known that plenty have already. Lizzy, The Lord Have Mercy on her soul was very much alive and kicking when bloody Sunday happened, she commended the psychopath soldiers who massacred Irish Catholics. That's only one incident that she personally done.
I always find it hard to believe that english people have no idea of the atrocities that happened here, we learned english history in school. Especially now in this age of information. Food was shipped out of Ireland 4 times a day from every port across the country, documents we discovered in London that showed the quantity exported. It was not a famine it was an attempt to deliberately exterminate us. To add insult to injury protestants offered half dead Irish people soup if they denounced their Catholic faith. Our beautiful language was illegal to speak, punishable by death as well as our Catholic faith.
This is only the tip of the iceberg of what was done here. I applaud your honesty about not knowing much about Irish history, most wouldn't admit that.
There are a lot more people of Irish descent in the UK (even excluding Northern Ireland) than there are in Eire.
As an irishman I think it's unfair to say that the Irish were happy that the Queen died. What I would say is it would be a matter of supreme indifference to many . Attitudes to the queen did soften after her visit in 2011 and obviously relations had improved between our 2 nations subsequently. The fallout from Brexit has affected the relationship in a negative way too but I'm sure that will rectify itself in due course.
One huge problem with brexit was that the people of England did not care about the massive problems it would cause Ireland, thus showing the same indifference of the English mindset as existed during the fammin, so have attitudes really changed at all, I don't think so.
Don't forget many Brits are not Monarchists.
Brits were kicked off their land too..............Not to the same extent as Ireland but still.....................
@@f.dmcintyre4666 Look through Europe in History. Many borders have changed, and many people taken other lands or been kicked out of their own land.
I am Irish and i have to say that I was saddened at the death of Queen Elizabeth 11.not many people would have had the stamina and fortitude to carry out the promise at her coronation to serve as Queen till the end of her days
We didn't mind Diana to be fair.
Diana was actually partly ours The Spencer's of Lismore,Co Waterford and she stuck it to them
@@johncahalane7327 Knew she had a bit of rebel in her. Harry had it too.
@@johncahalane7327her mother was a Roche and full Irish ,Spencer's were Anglo Irish but Diana's mother was Irish
Here's a mad stat. Ireland's population pre famine was 8 Million. In all the years since the famine, we've only reached 5 million currently. This is down to the English occupation. Bit of a bonkers stat when you think about it. Then you have Ulster which WAS part of Ireland, but because the Scottish planters retreated there, and became unionists it's part of the UK.
If you are comparing the pre famine population of Ireland with the modern day population of Ireland, you must include the north of Ireland population too. Its not that difficult to remember that Ireland was partitioned 70 years after the famine, surely.
I’m Irish and it’s interesting how she refers to Britain as “England” sorry guys it’s the United Kingdom unless you have been all over the uk including Scotland and wales and spoke to everyone there how can we assume everyone in England is considered British?….. many Scot’s and welsh too consider themselves “British”
If your irish you should understand why people say England instead of the uk
ive met many welsh and scots over the years who consider themselves british first and welsh and scots after like ive met many english who consider themselves english - british all depends having lived all over the uk ive met many ppl from all three nations all with different opinions and attributes...
Interesting comments. I've been all over the UK as well, and found both of you right. Last time I was in Scotland (Oban) was before the Scottish Independence vote. The people I spoke to about it (because I found it really interesting) were 50:50. Literally split down the middle. You couldn't call it.
I was really shocked when Scotland decided to stay in the UK. Personally, I would have had a second referendum. I'd love all of us to get along and work closely as friends, but I can see more and more as I learn about history (trying to be more unbiased) that England does have a lot to make up for, so I can understand why people would want to leave.
@@riceire2445 Ulster planters ?
Most Irish people, especially our younger generation don't give a ahit about the queen or the perverts in the Royal family,,,ha ha ha Royal my arse.
The unionists and the loyalists are the same people. They are loyal to the crown and want to maintain their union with the UK. The nationalists are the ones who want a united Ireland.
Fair play to you for being opened minded but please stop saying southern ireland, its just ireland. Peace
Valid point well made!
In the early 1700's my ancestors were exiled from Great Britain to Maryland for being wealthy and politically active Catholics.
In the 1960s my ancestors were exiled from Ireland for having a child before marriage.
Practically shunned from their own communities.
Sein fein is the nationalist party who wants to unify the island and is the leading political party in the North
Yes. I've seen the recent majority. Interesting. I definitely think we will see a united Ireland in my lifetime. No question.
@@falcon_uk fingers crossed 🤞
You forgot to mention, they are ran by the IRA. They are their "Political wing" after all.
We didn't hate her. She was quite popular here after the Good Friday Agreement.
The point is you should be taught it in school
We should have been taught a lot. The schools I was taught in had huge gaps when it came to history. Something I am learning a lot more in recent months.
The Irish have no reason to hate the queen or the English at all. Their country has been independent for over 70 years. Their generation have no grievance against the contemporary generation. I wish English people would stop this self-flagellation.
Only part of the country has been independent that long. Im pretty sure the troubles in Northern Ireland only ended in 1999 and its still occupied by the British.
@@crashnbyrne Northern Ireland is still ‘occupied’with the consent the irish government in Dublin.
Well said.
It's amazing how often democracy is "ignored".
@@falcon_uk what do u mean ‘democracy is ignored’,
I am very surprised at how little of the past history they teach people in the UK
Believe me, you'd be REALLY shocked!
I only learnt about WW2 in school. Nothing about anything else. It's really bad!
I've learnt so much from people's comments. It's definitely made me think twice and want to read up on it more.
@@falcon_uk WW2 indoctrination is only a recent change since Tony Blair’s government but before that they still didn’t teach about Ireland.
All countries are selective about what parts of history they teach their children. For instance do Irish teachers tell their classes about how the Irish imposed the Gaelic culture and language upon the Pictish Scots by violence and politics?
@@michaelcaffery5038 There is zero evidence that Gaelic culture was brought to the Picts by violence. In fact the evidence is the reverse. What we do have is the Irish Christian missionary Columba (521-597) and his twelve companions settling on Iona. Part of the Gaelic kingdom of Dalriada. Where he and his followers converted the pagan Picts in the north and east of Pictland to Christianity. That's why the Picts so readily intermarried with the Irish to create the Scots. This massive Irish contribution to Scotland and northern England is not taught to British schoolchildren. And neither is the death and destruction wrought on Ireland by the English/British Empire.
@michaelcaffery5038 Yes, history is a core (mandatory) subject, where we learn Irish, UK & European history from the Middle ages (primary school) through to modern history & politics (secondary). I believe the curriculum now also includes USA & Asia as a secondary optional.
To clarify, Loyalists and Unionists are one and the same, ie pro United Kingdom; on the opposite side are Nationalists ( those wanting an All Ireland reunification)... therefore never call Sinn Fein Unionists!
What should have set off alarm bells is your own statement about the commonwealth nations and why they are in it.
Good question. I don't think a lot will be for long!
Thank you for your comment.
Freedom of movement isn't an issue. The cta predates EU membership
she was generalising....meaning The Gentry, the landowners who were mostly in England, absent, and raking in profits.....the reference to potatoes- she means other food stuffs such as cattle, pigs etc also- of which there was enough to feed twice the population of Ireland.
Also....there is no real figure which tells the true figures of deaths due to mismanaged census figures ( see more like 10 million plus - and not the figure of 8 million) to which all the figures of those who died enroute to other countries ,on the coffin ships, and at foreign ports
is never added.
I'm a Brit (and proud of it). I have no beef with the Irish. One ladies UA-cam video (pro British or not), it's simply a UA-cam vloggers opinion that is not representative of the thoughts / feelings of an entire nation.
Nor are mine or yours.
@@falcon_uk Incorrect Falcon. I am not the one posting a video on the subject
Well the Irish have beef with the brits
There are more Irish people living in England than Ireland, I have many of Irish friends over decades and generations. She is speaking in English....
Sorry that’s not true.
@@murpho999 With respect - I know many, many families of 4 generations, and am friends with, who live here, whom describe themselves as Irish.
If you want to know more about the famine there's a channel called Extra history that breaks it down quite well over five or six episodes or a single video on the subject by the Gravel institute
Thank you. I'll check it out sometime.
Duane it was not a famine it was an organised genocide by the English. One crop failed the potato all other crops and livestock continued to be shipped to England over the dead and dying bodies of Irish men women and children so definitely genocide
I lived in London in the late 80's during the height of the IRA war against the people who would kill to stay in our country and I had a great time and met some lovely people and whenever I'm in London I go back to the pub I worked in in Fulham and visit, last time I was surprised that some people still knew me by name so many years later. I have also lived in Australia and the Irish and English always gravitate towards each other and associate in the same circles as we have more in common than most cultures.
Interesting observations.
I can only talk from the English perspective, but I have to say, it's very common for all nationalities to group together, especially in large cities.
Take the London that you mentioned for example; there are HUGE sections of London where one race is far higher in population because they congregated together. From the Jews of Golders Green to the Irish of Ealing. Southwark has the highest population of Black Africans and Southwark the highest black Caribbeans. Harrow for example has the highest Indian population group in London.
People generally conform or move to areas where others are confirming to their own standards, lifestyles or race.
@@falcon_uk If a person wants to experience the culture of a country it is better not to mix with their own all the time.
When a game of chess is over,the king and the pawn go back in the same box.
I don't know why people still act the monarch is an actual monarch.
You should not expect school to inform you of everything they teach you how to learn. You should then be interested in the world, it’s history, it’s geography it’s people and you can throughout life read widely like I did on Irish history, learn to speak another language do a woodwork course anything to expand your knowledge school was just a start don’t blame them for any areas you don’t know
While I was taking my masters We had a long discussion about advanced degrees and the purpose of a dissertation as opposed to a thesis. To get a PhD to have to convince a committee of professors that you know how to gain all the information available in your field and how to use it.
This was back in the Seventies when universities had computers but individuals didn't. The Commodore 64 wasn't sold until 1982.
Irelands population before the famine was Eight Million. We still haven't got back to that size in nearly Two Hundred years even though there has also been massive immigration!
We will never ever forget slavery famine and persecution that Britain Brough to our island gone but not forgotten.
We will never forget the time you enslaved us especially when you celebrate it every year on St Patrick day
@@Englishman_and_mountainsNot very clever I take it!
@@grainnehendrick2015 It happened, the Irish did enslave the English with help from the vikings I think! I learned about it in school!
So you are talking about the 5th century and St Patrick. Ok 😂 yes have to put my hand up
@grainnehendrick2015 the Irish raided Britain's shores and enslaved the people for centuries after. The only reason they stopped was because the Normans invaded and forced them to stop in the 1100s.
At the time irelands population was 10 million and England was 20 million.
As far as negative treatment in uk, 90% give warm and friendly welcome but there is a minority. I remember getting treated very condescendingly as being a thick ‘paddy’ by some police in London on one occasion
Lol, my Irish born and raised first cousin in London was solidly middle class, but spoke with one of the prestigious English accents, and was well educated. She was often told "You're not really Irish, you're one of us." Not appreciated in what it implied by what it meant to be Irish.. BTW, she married a continental close cousin of the Queen. He inherited no money, confiscated by Nazis and Soviets, but earned a good Cambridge degree. Technically she was entitled to style herself a Countess, but she and her husband found titles ridiculous and he never used his titlles. ... BTW, I think yiou sed Unionists to mean NI Republicans, Those in NI who favor rejoining NI to Ireland are calleed Republicans or Nationalists. Unionists and Loyalists are the same group.
10:19 Preface: I love England. I lived 4.5yrs as a child in Suffolk. My father's paternal ancestors are English. But I'm grateful she said this because the English can have (can, not absolutely does all the time) CAN come off as hateful. Extremely. I've never heard a real English person (as opposed to fictional comedy characters) make American jokes and it come off as harmless banter. It's usually scathing and not really joking at all. Although what Diane is talking about is more about the social cachet that comes from familiarity rather than judgmental intent from strangers. But without familiarity one may mistake it for judgmental intent.
Quick story. When Christopher Hitchens died, I came across a Brit in YT comments who had very unkind words for Americans. Called us all sorts with eff bombs and straight up nasty name calling. I replied that was pretty harsh to which he got worse, emboldened by catching an American on his line. He added Americans are completely blankety-blank and can never hope to be as smart as anyone English let alone Christopher Hitchens. To which I said, what's that say about Christopher Hitchens, then, if he willingly chose to be one of us?
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Vaporized. I never saw him again. 😂
Anyway back when GW Bush was preside t I used to he accused of being a gun toting redneck a lot.
Xenophobia... that's what the Irish don't like about the jokes from the English I suspect.
ps. Huge fan of Diane's. Been subbed for about over a year now and that's probably why your video popped up in my reccs. She's great! Nice choice of channel to react to.
I've only seen the one video, but she defo comes across very well. She was well presented and to me had a good style. It was good to hear her point of view. Perhaps I will check out some of her other content in time. I tried a reaction video, I got mixed results. Still not sure what to do on my channel. I think one of the harder things is dealing with negative feedback or comments. It's quite easily to take things personally. To be honest I haven't recorded a proper video since because of it.
But I think it's to be expected when you put yourself out there. Who knows what the future holds.
I've never been to Suffolk I don't think. I think you're right. I hear hateful things sometimes. It's weird because hate is just a toxic and a waste of time. I try not to hate anyone. I guess I find it interesting so many people hate my country. But then as I am learning, the history we're taught seems to cherry pick facts that make England look positive. I suppose that's to be expected. I just wouldn't mind looking for ways for people to work together, and I got passionate because I see so many ways in which England did things in history (along with many other countries) and now we're seeing people talking about what should be done now to try and make up for this. (let's face it, there's a lot of making up to do!)
because part of our country is still occupied by a foreign force, there you go.
Democracy.
Ask the Northern Irish to vote for Britain to leave, and they will.
I believe monarchy is wrong in every way and should be abolished as soon as possible.
I didn't really care one way or the other when Queen Elizabeth died, she was a nonentity for me, totally irrelevant.